The Video that 3FUL Gear Doesn't Want You To See - Taiji 2 Tent Waterproof Test Failure
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Recently we took a look at the 3FUL Gear Taiji 2 tent and it was impressive!
Now comes the rain / waterproof testing and things go from looking very promising to VERY BAD very quickly.
Amazon Link : amzn.to/3C01aE3
3FUL Link : 3fulgear.com/p...
...
Merch Store :
Want to support TOGR, buy a shirt, hoodie, hat, etc.
Merch Store : the-outdoor-ge...
...
Links :
Camera Gear :
Sony A7IV : amzn.to/3vWtLHR
Sony 20mm 1.8 Lens : amzn.to/3AcFq80
Sony 35mm 1.8 Lens : amzn.to/3BFs8iZ
SIRUI Carbon Fiber Travel 5C Tripod : amzn.to/3BEahZX
Batteries : amzn.to/3geFtG5
Rode VideoMic Pro Plus Mic : amzn.to/3iZMqMO
Clothing :
Fjällräven Vidda Pro Ventilated Pants : amzn.to/3ytuwYw
Old Navy Shirt : oldnavy.com
Vasque Juxt Multi-Sport Shoes : amzn.to/3DbNTK9
Darn Tough Socks : amzn.to/3mx20A5
Arcteryx Conveyor Belt : amzn.to/3QSnzsi
Helikon-Tex Windrunner Windshirt : amzn.to/3CaTJdE
Smartwool Merino Wool Hat : amzn.to/3feJv0Y
IO Merino Wool Mask : No Longer Available
Knit Gloves Base :
Permethrin for Clothing and Gear : amzn.to/37V3FvQ
Kershaw Cryo II Folding Knife : amzn.to/2Sej6aD
Garmin Instinct Solar GPS Watch : amzn.to/3GvkPMC
Oakley Sunglasses : amzn.to/2WcOGYm
Outdoor Research Men's Foray II Jacket - amzn.to/3Wq7YnQ
Outdoor Research Helium II Rain Pants : amzn.to/3bKRiS9
If you purchase anything from the links above, you will be supporting the channel through a small commission on Amazon. Thank you for the support and remember, TOGR is 100% Agenda Free.
....
100% Agenda Free :
This channel is Agenda Free and is fully supported by the viewers.
Support TOGR through Patreon : / togr
or
Support TOGR through TH-cam : / @theoutdoorgearreview
...
Web Site : www.theoutdoorg...
Come Join Us on Facebook, Twitter Instagram :
Facebook : / 281509538652229
Twitter : / outdoorgearrev
Instagram : / theoutdoorgearreview
Vero : vero.co/theout...
I really dig that you're doing multiple tent tests at the same time, in the same storms. It really gives us an unbiased view on these tents. Keep it up, brother!
He cant do that becauce it will cost thousands of dollars. He want do realistic reviewnot what some company say.
I've had mine almost 3 years, been out camping in all the seasons and I live in Canada, never had a problem with leaking.
I've had the tent out in extremely heavy rain and no issues
Looks like their quality control is lacking.
@@cr0sss luke doesn't use window supports, please don't overlook that
@@collinsoutdoors168window supports
What are window supports? @@collinsoutdoors168
Over the years, I’ve used a few different big name tents… But my benchmark will always be the classic Eureka! Timberline, a tent I sat out a big thunderstorm with high winds once. It kept us dry, but we were treated to the sounds of close lightning strikes and big branches coming down. Funny story…my camping buddy said “it’s not gonna rain…” right about then, a single drop landed on his head, lol…then all hell broke loose. But, the Timberline performed brilliantly in a situation that went from zero to white knuckle pretty fast.
Great story!😂
I think we've all got a story or two like that 👍👍
I own one too and every time I use it I have to put up the window stick and there have been no rain leaks.
My tent is khaki which looks better than gray. Luke's leak to me didn't happen. I agree with other comments that this experiment was not rigorous.
Unrigorous testing. There is a plastic support rod on the window, Luke didn't use it, its role is to breathe and prevent rainwater from falling on the surface of the window and flowing into the inner tent.
agree
I thought about that, but he says the other seem is wet inside, and that should be above and behind the window. Also, I find gross that the tent is, at least today, sold as taped whereas it is not.
It never happened to me
Nice temp fix on the door hole... shame it leaked through the vents! Love what you bring to our attention, Thanks Luke
The honest reviews are what makes this channel great.
You nailed it. Agreed 100%
Didn't you see it? Luke did not use the white window support strips when testing, which would increase the possibility of leakage
For a long time now, standard procedure for me is to seam seal every tent I have bought, even before testing them. Seam sealer doesn't cost much, and it's a pretty simple to do.
Hi, please, could you describe your method for me. I have tried to seam seal a tarp that made by my self, but I don't know what I did wrong, because the seam seal tape didn't stick.
@@wontollamx Did you use silnylon?
Which seam seal would you recommend for this tent? It has a 15D silicone/PU Ripstop Nylon outer. And I saw that you either use a silicon seam seal or a nylon seam seal depending on the material. So, I'm confused which one to get for this tent.
This is the greatest most honest channel on TH-cam. I have purchased and not purchased several items from watching lukes channel and everything I have purchased has been exactly what he tested it to do and preform. The things he tested and gave a thumbs down, I wouldn't know because I never purchased anything without Luke's thumbs up. Thanks Luke for saving us all money! We appreciate you!
I too tested this tent at home in a rain storm. I thought it was just the wind that had blown raindrops through the vent mesh. I only got water on the mesh body, not the floor. Will have to consider seem seal around the vents then.... Thanks for awesome channel. Keep it up 👍
This is one of the tents I have, never any problems with waterproofing whether in heavy rain, light rain or constant drizzle etc.
To be accurate you'd need to look at a large sample, not just one tent.
Thank you again Luke. I wasn’t planning on getting this tent but I suppose a viewer or two was, and you very well may have saved their lives. Keep it real Luke. Peace.
Really enjoy your videos, thank you for all of the information you share and all of the trips you and Susie takes us on!
After watching Lukes's review, I did reseal the entire outside of my tent with Seam Grip including around the vents, my tent like Lukes's tent did NOT have seam tape along the seams about the vents, so I resealed the seams inside and out. I found issues around the vents with h2o leakage however mine was not as bad for some reason. I did send the company a note about the issue as well, and they have not responded to me on the issue either, but like I say I love the tent and the functionality. I did find some transparent tent patch any holes I get in the tent...Since I also purchased the 4-season inner I am going to make sure all the seams on the inner are coated. Luke does an excellent job and I for one really appreciate his time and efforts for all of us.
Hi - Out of curiosity what colour was your tent? I'm wondering if it is just down to one colour production line rather than all of them.
Peace
@@MrEvilWasp Mine was the Khaki version.
I have the 3f ul Lanshan 2. It was reccomended to me to seam seal the areas where the guy lines attach to the rainfly and the areas where the trekking poles seat. Not sure why lanshan does this but I went ahead and seam sealed it and have had zero issues. Best tent I own for 3 Season. The company also has the lanshan 2 Pro that either comes without seam sealing and you have to do the entire tent yourself or the company will do it for you at a cost which I find odd. Otherwise great tent. Hope this helps whomever it may concern
So, you’d have to do the normal 3FUL procedure and seal it yourself. Glad you taught us your technique on your Lanshan tent
Right…3FUL tents all need seam sealed. It’s how they sell them cheap
Update! Thank goodness I can say my 3FUL TAIIJI 2 does not leak. I'm actually typing this right now from the Lake District UK where the rain is coming down just like in your video!!! I've been here in the rain a whole day and night in practically non stop rain and my tent is fine. I'm here another two nights. I'm so sorry you seem to have been sold a faulty tent x
Not all duct tape is created equal. There's Gorilla tape and all the rest! Thanks for this video Luke.
Trex tape is more brutal than gorilla. Give it a try if you dare.
It sure as hell will NOT hold the grass shute on your push mower though.
@@markwagoner3599 what did you expect, lol.i drill a hole in the chute and attach a small bungee cord,or just remove it
Double sided gorilla tape isn’t worth 2 cents…not sure about their other tapes
@@ArsenalFC-hp7xr I sealed an air mattress with duct tape and it kept me off the ground all night.
Thank you for doing the best tent reviews on TH-cam. Could you please start testing even more real world situations? There are 2 critical things for me: how much I can open the door, before water starts do drip into the bedroom? Also, while raining, could you please show packing and setting up again process, then after if the bedroom is still dry?
That is a shame, I dont think I have ever had a 3FUL tent leak and by the way I test my tent outside for 1 whole month.
I own this tent, had it out a few times successfully, but not in any heavy rain. I also picked up the winter inner, but haven't used it. It has more fabric, with mesh at the top for ventilation. There are some mods available, to add more guylines and make it more secure in high gusty wind conditions. But it came factory seam sealed, so I could seam seal it in those problem areas preemptively😅
I bought the same tent from another brand: Night Cat. My tent had a small hole two. I taped it, like you. I realized, that the floor was leaking. I solved this with a footprint. I also use a additional fly (50x50 cm) to cover the top. I love this tent. No condensation problems. It is dry now, even in hard rain. What I love most is the space and the black mesh inner tent. While I am lying in my sleeping bag, I have a nice view through the inner mesh into nature. Maybe you can try this out. I bought it fom amazon for arount 90 Euro.
This feels like it needs a response from 3fulgear or another go with another tent. I think I would have to check that all their tents are not seam sealed around the vents unless they have already confirmed this as it had a hole as well. It clearly states all seams have been taped on their website. Could this have slipped the quality control?
Didn't you find it? He didn't even use the support rods of the tent windows, causing the windows to stick to the tent, which of course increases the probability of rainwater leaking into the inner tent. You didn't use the tent correctly
Well, based on your initial review or introductory video I almost bought this tent, but I decided to wait for the rain test and I’m so glad I did. Thank you for what you do!
Thanks Luke you have just saved me from a potential trip ended as I was going to take this tent on a 3 day trip on Thursday and rain is forecast
Luke, another great video!!! Reading some of the comments, some aren't agreeing with you. Maybe going forward to accommodate their reservations, try testing multiples of the same tent and cameras inside as someone here suggested at the same time. I know you go above and beyond and will have more answers on this tent. Just a couple of ideas to reassure some viewers.
It will cost a lot of money to buy multiple tents of the same one. One tent leaking is enough. Multiple cameras on multiple tents? No way! One camera showing the source of the leak is enough.
@pcihector I agree. His findings are good enough for me. I was just suggesting it because going through the comments, some people really disagreed with his findings this time. I know he will be diligent and reach out to the company to resolve the issue. But maybe do a multiple tent once to satisfy some viewers.
Wow. I really like this tent. Hopefully, they fix that major issue. I use a down bag and leaking is unacceptable. Thanks Luke, you have saved me a lot of money over the past several years.
Seam seal is cheap insurance and is not hard to do. I bought a Coleman in the eighties, seam sealed the rain fly and used it well into the nineties with no issues.
I proofed mine as soon as I got it, as I do with every tent and it hasn't leaked yet in 2 years. Mind you, it's only Scottish rain, the sideyways windy type, none of your straight down wet Mercan stuff. I didn't trust the vents however, and cut some scotchbrite pads to fit the shape which ensures the rain doesn't get in that way but still has ventilation.
Another spot-on, no-holds bared, down-n-dirty, no bs review. Thanks, Luke! 👍
WRT this particular tent - this video is certainly an outlier. I haven't seen another video on YT that notes this problem. Possibly a single bad product?
Honesty is a true virtue these days. Thank you!!!
Hi Luck, greetings from México. Thanks a lot for this video and for your hard work. I was considering buy this tent, but now I am going to think about it a little more time. Thanks again.
the way that tent beaded and water ran off I'm surprised it leaked at all
Always luv an unbiased honest review!
Often a Problem with tents , with an outside frame. I love this system.. setup in one hit. Outer and inner tent.
I'm wondering if this is a Quality control issue? quite a lot of people here in the UK love this tent and havn't had any issues with it.
I have this tent and now I'm concerned because I've never used it in the rain so far, but like you say, I bought it because of great reviews
@@TimelordUK ill be getting a new tent soon, I currently use an OEX Phoxx II which they obviously dont have where OGR is., so maybe a Naturehike mongar will be similar to the Taiji II .
@@Zlin0035I have a phoxx 2 , great tent , no need for Luke to do a waterproof test though !
@@Zlin0035 can you sit up properly in the Phoxx 2? Is it lightweight? I do not drive and these two specs are why I bought the taiji 2
@@TimelordUK i'm 5ft 4 and I can just about sit up in it. anyone taller than that will struggle. for a "2" man tent I wouldn't say it was the SUPER light but its not the worst i've seen at 2.1KG. I usually just camp out of my car so weight isnt a big issue for me.
I love this channel. Awesome, honest reviews....enjoyable to watch, and often bonus ASMR lol.
Would you please do video on what you personally would take for weekend out in the woods. Also, because most people don't have the variety of gear that you have. Would you consider consider doing a similar video as the previously mentioned, but instead using economic beginner type stuff. I would love to see what your preference would be. Thanks!
Dag. i was really looking forward to grabbing one of them. It would be perfect for just me. Now this tent is priced massive overboard. Guess i will keep looking. Thank you so much for doing this testing vid i needed it.
First thing I do is like Luke's video before I watch. I always know it's going to be good!
I have to say - that outro music slams. :)
I have a NH Vik1 with the same failure point. The vents ends are not seam sealed. However after sealing it myself it no longer leaks. Very odd oversight.
And if failed with NO wind (judging by the trees) and LIGHT rain. If this had been a blowing storm......
Good review. Was this the Arizona tent? I also hoped it would have done well. I guess an arid pace like AZ it might be good but even they get torrential rainstorms. Thanks for saving people from buyers remorse.
Stay safe and God bless.
would love to see a video on how to fix issues like this (although I agree we shouldnt have to repair a relatively new tent) but would be good to know just in case we need to fix an issue until we can afford a new and better tent
A benchmark? Eureka Timberline with an 800 mm rating - and you found out didn't you? It didn't leak. Mine is now 10 years old and still doesn't leak. It even withstood 75 mph gusts when I managed a rural campground and lived in it everyday for 3 years - - - mm in the end may mean very little.
Este tipo es genial, me hizo ver un video entero de como cae la lluvia arriba de una carpa, un maestro...
Luke try using this tent to test a product like one of the nikwax waterproofing products to see if it is possible to make it waterproof😊
Boy, that’s unfortunate. I was going to recommend it to my daughter, but I don’t think she has the wherewithal pro-actively seam seal it. Dropping upwards of $230 would certainly motivate me to do so. I can’t afford the name brand 4 season tents…
Very timely video thanks. I was about to buy one of these. Like you said, a great tent with great features, but if it leaks? Nah!
Very enlightening. I think I'll just make my own custom tent.
Not a big deal to seam seal and considering the rest of the tents so good it's worth it. We know where to fix it thanks to your testing.
yeah I had to seam seal some parts of the tent! good review...
Yeah I have the same problem Luke, had it out recently in rain but not as long as you had yours out and the rain wasn't as heavy but it still leaked to the point where I had to bail out which is a big disappointment because it is a pretty good tent otherwise.
Looks like similar issue to the regular (double wall) lanshan tents. On those, the tie out points on the sides need to be seam sealed. Not sure why they haven't addressed that after so long, as they seem to have done a good job sealing everything else.
Ive watched a ton of your videos, and I'm starting to have incredibly LITTLE faith in ALL tent manufacturers/brands. I honestly can't recall the last time a tent that had the size and features I'd like to have, actually passed a TOGR test!
That rain yesterday and day before was insane. almost ripped us apart. the gusts would have shredded that thing lmao i'm on the ocean
I have a Taiji 2 and haven't had any issues with rain or leaking. You seem to simply have a defective one. I don't think you're right to tell people not to buy this tent for that reason. Especially after such an extended period of heavy rain, where I'm sure many tents would start to struggle.
That wasn’t much rain though …..He just provides his findings and opinions and he did say it’s ok to purchase but you must seam seal it. In the end , Defective or not, the tent leaked when it should not have.
Luke does often let companies respond when their products fail. Not all do.
@@Nonchillante Yes but he's basing his advice on what is apparently a defective product. I haven't seam sealed my Taiji 2 and it's been totally dry in wet weather. There are plenty of other reviews and videos of people with the same experience. So his advice is irrelevant and wholly subjective.
Its a good test, but in reality most campers will be in the tent and will be able to do damage control. The water in the tent was not so much and with a dry rag it can be soaked up quickly. Most one layer tents would have had a lot more water from condensation. But nevertheless, no excuses, 2f should make sure that seams are sealed or tell their customers to add more sealent themselves.
Hi Luke, I wondered if you could do a top ten or 5 of gear cuz after so long we and you see so many, I sometimes forget witch is witch, thanks Mike
To be fair many very expensive super light tents don't have any seams sealed and you have to seal the whole tent yourself. Fabric to mesh is a very difficult area to heat tape seal so in 5 minutes you could easily seal the seam along the vent area, tents a few years back used to come with a small tube of seam sealant for just this reason.
Hey Luke! Great video! I currently own the Sierra Designs high side 1p tent and was wanting to upgrade to something with a little more room. Needless to say it will not be this tent! I have watched so many of your videos and reviews and can't seem to decide what I want to upgrade to. Any ideas??? Thank you.
Thank you Luke!!!
You should be in the tent reviewing it. This is like watching bear grills.
Luke, I love your reviews on tents. I do have a tent or two that I trust. However I have a sleeping bag that had a zipper failure after just four nights. I went back to my old sleeping bag I purchased over ten years ago. Have considered some tests on sleeping bags?
Hey Luke! Excellent video as always. However, I have a request. Could you see if you can get your hands on, and review the Eberlestock Destroyer V69 backpack? I've been eyeing it down for some time and want to get a reliable opinion and review on it, as most reviews are very amatuerish or not even in English at all. Hopefully you make a video on it before I make an educated choice in buying it. Thanks a ton for the content and knowledge you provide.
Thanks for the heads up on that!
Well I did not expect that tent to fail
Was going to purchase this very tent. Thanks! I saved my hard earned money
Some people are stating they haven't had any problem with theirs so I wonder if the colour makes a difference. Maybe that grey production line is not doing the sealing properly. Where the others colours get fully seam sealed.
Peace
I thought of getting this tent but I was concerned that the external clip points could allow water ingress
There's a lot of tents that you have to seem seel and I just refuse to buy a tent, especially a 5000 hh tent, absolutely pointless if not seem seeled. Get the new all white forclaz trekking pole tent. Awesome bit of kit and two person for 1300 grams
My Vango Tempest pro 200 also has a 5000 groundsheet and fly, it’s never leaked or been affected by a 60mph gale. It’s odd so many of your test tents fail! It may be the Chinese think all Americans only camp in the desert
Quick Question: Have you noticed the leaking spots aren't seam sealed in the first place?
It has very positive reviews from English users
Thank you for keeping it real 👍❤️Hi Susie
My friend what would we do without you we all need a watchdog like you to look out for the outdoor community...thank you my broter...🌲🏕🔥
I’d be willing to pay a little more if a manufacturer offered a version of shelters that weren’t seam taped at all. Id rather do it myself
Maybe the company will fix the problem after seeing your review.
I have this tent and have had it in wet weather but I have never had any leaks? I'm not trying to be a fan boy because I do have other tents as well. Could it just be the tent you have?
Good video as always 👍
Damn... I really liked the design of that tent.
Oh wow, didn’t see that one coming. The taiji2 was very high on my list.
I have one and would still recommend it. Just seam-seal the hell out of it. I assumed everyone did that, and was not surprised at the result. Every tent needs to be seam sealed.
Just been on 3ful's site. It now says..."As from m October 2023, the leaks in the vents of the Taiji 2 tents have been resolved and we have used a silicon sealant to seal the seams where the leaks may have been occurring."
Has anyone seen any evidence of this?
Good stuff…. Love the reviews!
Jens Williamson, III (Deaf)
If you are not happy about the rain fly. Once: put the Camo Tarp 8 by 10 with 14 Binder Clips (strong) on the rain fly if rain or heavy rain. Worry Free!
I was not happy about the lousy rain fly (7 by 7 Dome Tent) under Coleman. The colors are Blue and White.
You will know for sure. Okay!
Thanks for your time. Have a good year in 2023!
Respectfully,
Respectfully,
Jens C. Williamson, III
😎😷👍🇺🇲
Bexar County 🇨🇱
Retired ID
Hearing Impaired
The Disability
*Luke did a good job about the tent. Buy it or Do not Buy it.
The rain fly is lousy. Forget it!
😢
It really seems that tents with large vents on the top don't get seamed as the rest of the fly does. With it not being seamed for all the vent stitching is a huge flaw and oversight for 3FUL.
3rightFulGear (Frightful Gear) Great review and awesome work as always.
Flashbacks form the cosmetio 1😂 You'd think these manufacturers would have their vent game down by now. I'll stick with my monger 15D❤
You have to seam seal 3FUL tents you even mentioned this in previous tents like the Lanshan or maybe they said this tent is fully sealed already …
I don't know what a hydrostatic head rating is but not counting the seams but could they get that "number" from just the fabric? It seems to me that the fabric is "water-proof" but the seams don't seem to be.
Yes, the rating is for the fabric, but of course seams should also be sealed, either with seam sealer, or taped. If they aren't, the rating of the fabric doesn't really matter, you're getting water inside.
I have this tent, bought it last year but only used it once and it didn't rain. Now im really worried because i have a trip planned and the forecast is rain.. Could this be a fault with this individual tent? I haven't heard any other TH-camrs saying this tent leaks. How do i know if my vents are seam sealed? I dont know what to look for. Can anyone tell me please? Also, how do you apply seam sealer? Is it easy to do? Expensive?.Are there any brands i should go for? UPDATE 11 JULY 2023, ive been in heavy rain now for a whole day and evening and my tent is fine ❤
Luke has a video on seam sealing tents, it's well worth a look👍 sil - Tec is the sealant I normally use, but I think it depends on the material of the tent. Good luck hope your trip goes well !
I agree with Luke. I thought at the beginning that he was being a little too critical but considering that this thing has that high rating this tent should be better than perfect. Otherwise the other comments where they're saying yes you can seem seal you're right it's not hard. but again that rating trashed it for me. This is why you have to be careful with these rating systems because with a little money you can get your thing rated higher than it really is. And this is something we have to be careful of in a capitalistic system, we have to make sure these rating systems are 100% impartial. we can't be like other countries like China that basically bribe everyone lie to everyone trick everyone scam everyone to get a rating that we don't deserve. It's called strength and integrity
The rating used is the one of the fabric. I don't think that the tents are rated. The fabric producer will sell to the tentmaker the fabric, stating its rating. The problem here is not the fabric manufacture or its sincerity regarding the water column, but the tent manufacture. He states all seams are taped, and they are not even properly sealed with silicon.
Maybe you just got a bad one that slipped through quality control, it happens sometimes. Be interesting to see if the company responds to the video.
That's the problem with Chinese brands. They make good stuff when they want to, but their quality control often sucks.
The problem can be spotted even before the rain. The web site says: "All seams has been taped". I see no tape there. It seems to me that this tent was seam sealed with silicon, and not taped. The seam-sealing with silicon is a boring process that requires care and that users should rather do themselves. This is not the first time that I see people buying the sealing service and complaining that it was not up to par. In this particular case the problem is worse, because by specification the tent should have been taped, which is a much better way to seal the seams for what I know. The inner is PU coated, so that would naturally allow taping the seams. Some manufacturers rely on the nylon to "close itself around the hole" to make the tent quasi-waterproof (also high quality producers such as VauDe if memory serves), but only taping, or sealing, will guarantee waterproofness.
I would have expected at least one of the clip points would have started leaking, since it has a lot of it, due to the exoskeleton design.
I mean, I've never known you to be rough with tents...I think the first issue is durability, it developed a hole pretty fast with someone who does things properly. That's a red flag to me, and the leak seals it's fate.
its a light tent and the fly material is light. it is what it is. its has ups and downs.
Literally the name is 3F Ultralight. Can’t expect super-heavy-duty material.
@@ralphneelands3990 I get that, the idea with ultra light stuff is to baby it because it ISN'T super durable....but this is LUKE, one or two uses and he has a hole? That's when used by someone who knows their stuff backwards and forwards. Not to mention if the thing leaks, being ultra light don't mean squat.
Thx Luke, s&h