I been doing this for awhile it made me go from hating fighting dagger to actually preferring it. Who would’ve thought a little strafing could be so op
i think the more concise answer is outrange them. just outrange them. light users are fast, but are outranged by practically everything so keep your distance while fighting them (but don't run because that's cringe)
The fact that a majority of people didn't know this for so long and got dagger (imo) unnecessarily nerfed is stupid and an oversight from the devs. Dagger was always easily outranged my most weapons and relied on gun to close distance. Not to mention that spear hard counters dagger. If anything it's offhand guns that made dagger seem stronger than it actually was.
@@fenaerii36 all they have is 1.05x swing speed, and 2 damage talents??? It has one damage talent which allows a CHANCE for a critical hit that's purely based off rng and the others just allow your crits to do more damage to ARMOR. I don't know why people mention daggers hitspeed as if it's not literally the only thing it has going for it. It's outranged by everything except fist and itself. Point blank dagger did not deserve the nerf it got (unless they slightly increased hitspeed to balance the endlag out) if we are going to accommodate for people having crappy ping there will be absolutely no end to the nerfs that will have to be implemented for those with bad wifi or bad regions. Dagger at the moment is forced into a specific playstyle and practically unusable for pve purposes. It's no wonder so many dagger users use frostdraw and/or chilling enchant.
@@Jexcalio I hope u realize they only lose out on like 6 damage but get 0.3x more attack speed and a high damage and range sidearm gun and a nearly 100 damage crit
@@fenaerii36 6 damage difference is a lot when you look at the range of damage throughout all weapons. it only seems like a small difference on paper. Also we can't justify dagger being nerfed because of offhand gun, literally every light weapon can use offhand gun. If we nerf dagger because gun is op we are basically encouraging them to use gun just to make up for the loss. If offhand gun is too strong, then nerf offhand gun not dagger even if the addition is strong it's only strong because of the addition. Also true pain is not a damage buff I just checked the description. True pain just allows your critical attack to also have a CHANCE at proccing a critical hit (an rng damage multiplier) which is a rare talent that you need another rare talent (knife's journey) to even get. I can't really say much about tanto since it's literally a glorified sword with fist hitspeed but that's a specific weapon issue not an issue with the whole dagger class. I think the hitspeed for dagger is justified for the damage loss not to mention that you automatically have more chances to be parried just because you need to swing more to equate damage to other weapon categories, that's just basic math.
You when you realise deepwoken has 9000 mobility options and dagger is still meta due to this. This makes it seem like it works on all dagger users when all it takes is pressing W and F as dagger
In your opinion in PVE, PVP and everything else what is the strongest Stat? Heavy? Medium? Or Light? (heavy = every weapons with heavy requirements, the same goes on for Medium and light)
Pvp- medium, (quick feints are deadly and range is considerable with very good dmg on Weps like serpents edge, also perfect for mixing up as both slow wind up mantras like fire blade AND fast ones like exhaustion strike or thunder kick are effective mix up) But overall is heavy, it’s insane in pve and pvp and it’s best for bossraiding too.
Dagger. This video makes it seem like the counterplay is simple, but dagger users still have 1.05x swing speed and 28 damage on a weapon, this makes parry trades impossible, and they can just engage and parry at the same time. Dagger utilises high pressure. It is absurdly broken, and has dmg increasing talents on top of it.
@@monkey3101 in terms of light weapon fist is just the best atm, insane talents, broken daze mechanics and literal unparryable anims paired with stuff like big herbalist hat. Also it’s better than dagger cuz of the end lag nerf dagger got while fist stayed the was very noticeable
Please make a Counter video to all Heavy weapons too! MEDIUM WEAPON ON TOP! But fr tho this method works the same if u have a Greatsword and ur against a medium user so i want to see how to counter this since im the mdeium user and i cant deal with heavy users.. or blunt weapon users.. T_T
i was just starting a minos prime build (fist thundercall) and then this video came out i feel bounties are about to get 10 times harder magnet spark jolt grab carry me rn
fenaerii you know this applies to basically every weapon not just light right anyways yeah i guess it works just dont fight a light user who took 20 doses of adderall before the match
only works on players that are garbage though lol People try to do this when I use fist but I just parry them and hold W until I get close enough to m1, its not harder than fhat
Hell na after this video, Agressive Posturr on a dagger is a must 💀
talent doesn't even work
@@justsomerandomperson3278 talent works
@@innerapathy bro is the talent custodian
Doesn't work
@@antililly. what
I been doing this for awhile it made me go from hating fighting dagger to actually preferring it. Who would’ve thought a little strafing could be so op
i cant believe people didnt know this already
and the same thing works on some medium weapons too but you have to get parried at like max range
so true
NAIL FROM CC
you forget that this is roblox and what the majority of players is
@@cycy8699 true sometimes i expect too much from roblox players
I like it when a frost/attunementless dagger users says "hold S more"
Med no attunment
@@coreykemper7632 i hate them also
ye don't mind if i do hold S >:3
bro a gale dagger said I held S too much, my guy you have at least 3 gap closers, one of which is a teleport
@@nikapanda160 i use thunder and a spear so i dont mind if i held S and had a wayward on every mantra
You just made my life 12x easier my wife returned my bills have been payed and my salary increased by tenfold
awesome video !! Love the glass beach pfp
i think the more concise answer is outrange them. just outrange them. light users are fast, but are outranged by practically everything so keep your distance while fighting them (but don't run because that's cringe)
good against apes that just spam m1 after you parry
"Your spells aren't working on me."
© That one rapier user
Honestly true, you just kinda gotta play as annoying as possible against dagger users lol
Daggers mains: How to counter this
Just Get Bear trap after parry your enemy S Button is slower
HAVE FUN
u have saved my life
The fact that a majority of people didn't know this for so long and got dagger (imo) unnecessarily nerfed is stupid and an oversight from the devs. Dagger was always easily outranged my most weapons and relied on gun to close distance. Not to mention that spear hard counters dagger. If anything it's offhand guns that made dagger seem stronger than it actually was.
Ok but they also have 2 damage buff talents and swing at 1.05x (in a reaction ping based game)
@@fenaerii36 all they have is 1.05x swing speed, and 2 damage talents??? It has one damage talent which allows a CHANCE for a critical hit that's purely based off rng and the others just allow your crits to do more damage to ARMOR. I don't know why people mention daggers hitspeed as if it's not literally the only thing it has going for it. It's outranged by everything except fist and itself. Point blank dagger did not deserve the nerf it got (unless they slightly increased hitspeed to balance the endlag out) if we are going to accommodate for people having crappy ping there will be absolutely no end to the nerfs that will have to be implemented for those with bad wifi or bad regions. Dagger at the moment is forced into a specific playstyle and practically unusable for pve purposes. It's no wonder so many dagger users use frostdraw and/or chilling enchant.
@@Jexcalio I hope u realize they only lose out on like 6 damage but get 0.3x more attack speed and a high damage and range sidearm gun and a nearly 100 damage crit
@@Jexcalio Knifes journey and true pain are 2 damage talents
Let’s not forget alloyed tanto is 1 less than a gladius btw
@@fenaerii36 6 damage difference is a lot when you look at the range of damage throughout all weapons. it only seems like a small difference on paper. Also we can't justify dagger being nerfed because of offhand gun, literally every light weapon can use offhand gun. If we nerf dagger because gun is op we are basically encouraging them to use gun just to make up for the loss. If offhand gun is too strong, then nerf offhand gun not dagger even if the addition is strong it's only strong because of the addition. Also true pain is not a damage buff I just checked the description. True pain just allows your critical attack to also have a CHANCE at proccing a critical hit (an rng damage multiplier) which is a rare talent that you need another rare talent (knife's journey) to even get. I can't really say much about tanto since it's literally a glorified sword with fist hitspeed but that's a specific weapon issue not an issue with the whole dagger class. I think the hitspeed for dagger is justified for the damage loss not to mention that you automatically have more chances to be parried just because you need to swing more to equate damage to other weapon categories, that's just basic math.
Thank you, I really appreciate this technique.
also whenever they try to close the gap just roll backwards
Whipping out the central dirk
as a fist main i hate this Agressive Posture doesnt even seem to work
And this is why a good dagger player will use lots of agility
People when the dagger user actually knows their weakness
everyone gangsta until the final toll
How to counter heavy user spamming m1 and playing range
the lights final toll in question:
Yessirrr
HOW TO COUNTER LIGHT WEAPONS
........just abuse their weakness lmao
the whole point of an informational video is to inform
Watch them be a dumbo in the comments asking them to buff dagger
this works best with a spears /great swords and shield
Thank you fen, very cool😳
You when you realise deepwoken has 9000 mobility options and dagger is still meta due to this. This makes it seem like it works on all dagger users when all it takes is pressing W and F as dagger
thats not true literally holding s is a mega counter especially since the endlag nerf which is too much endlag on a DAGGER
@@SupaikuKun_ not really tbh if you cant change your playstyle at the slightest as a dagger user your gonna lose like some npc
when you realise dagger isnt meta anymore and heavy crystal is way more broken
@@vizpurpIe frostdraw saint jay with dagger far better. Ice is just meta on everything
@@monkey3101 its not, any top player rn is either ice fist, crystal heavy or thunder med, none are dagger so its not meta
fenaerii what happened to the build? we havent seen a vid with it
In your opinion
in PVE, PVP and everything else
what is the strongest Stat?
Heavy?
Medium?
Or Light?
(heavy = every weapons with heavy requirements, the same goes on for Medium and light)
heavy just look at the combos people can do with crypt balde
Pvp- medium, (quick feints are deadly and range is considerable with very good dmg on Weps like serpents edge, also perfect for mixing up as both slow wind up mantras like fire blade AND fast ones like exhaustion strike or thunder kick are effective mix up)
But overall is heavy, it’s insane in pve and pvp and it’s best for bossraiding too.
Dagger. This video makes it seem like the counterplay is simple, but dagger users still have 1.05x swing speed and 28 damage on a weapon, this makes parry trades impossible, and they can just engage and parry at the same time. Dagger utilises high pressure. It is absurdly broken, and has dmg increasing talents on top of it.
@@monkey3101 in terms of light weapon fist is just the best atm, insane talents, broken daze mechanics and literal unparryable anims paired with stuff like big herbalist hat. Also it’s better than dagger cuz of the end lag nerf dagger got while fist stayed the was very noticeable
@@Toyu67 fists didn’t get nerfed with end lag bcz it doesn’t have 1.05x swing speed
Next video how to counter fenaerii
what is that hat he was wearing looks like the one from mini and how do u get it?
SHOTEL SUPREMECY
😈
Me with my crazy slots fist build: i play both sides, so that i always come out ontop
That’s great and all, but I main dagger gale and shadow, the ultimate counter to this
Was it you in inu's video
Man, how did to fight with NPC using light weapon + spam parry?
Please make a Counter video to all Heavy weapons too! MEDIUM WEAPON ON TOP!
But fr tho this method works the same if u have a Greatsword and ur against a medium user so i want to see how to counter this since im the mdeium user and i cant deal with heavy users.. or blunt weapon users.. T_T
i love ur vids
im never touching my faceless slot ever again
Aggressive posture rapier with lightning assault is my build I think I’ll be fine
i was just starting a minos prime build (fist thundercall) and then this video came out i feel bounties are about to get 10 times harder
magnet spark jolt grab carry me rn
I made a minos prime build with attunementless with dawnwalker if that works well
Sold with dark ages honestly
You guys didn't already know this?
Light users: “time to get taunt and aggressive posture”-🤓
The answer to the thumbnail us zone
glass beach
All fun and dandy until the light user has showstopper 😄
40 second cooldown and dazes for 1.5 seconds 😃
what if they start holding w
hold s even harder
get 2 keyboards to hold s double
aggressive posture😈😈😈
So what if they using guns?
would this work for higher range light weapons like rapier or jus karita
No
No
fenaerii is my father
hi
i am dagger and gale user, i just spam gale dash and R, is really easy win a fight.
fenaerii you know this applies to basically every weapon not just light right
anyways yeah i guess it works just dont fight a light user who took 20 doses of adderall before the match
ya just works best on light though cause of their toothpick range
@@fenaerii36 “toothpick range”
gun:
@@joejoe-cs8ct Good thing gun has a shit vertical hitbox
@@fenaerii36 thats what im saying pimp
@@fenaerii36 serpents edge can do this against every weapon in the game
only works on players that are garbage though lol
People try to do this when I use fist but I just parry them and hold W until I get close enough to m1, its not harder than fhat
fr only work on npcs
who couldve thought using their weakness against them would work??
Breaking news: Deepwoken player discovers the concept of basic spacing.
breaking news: deepwoken player doesn’t find out what an informational video is for
No plz, I just wanna use fists for fun mane...
i do this with serpents edge already 💀
omg!!!
As a light user I am crying myself rn
Mfw gun offhand:
Me: guns :)
legend says they are still saying "first" to this day (pin me or vaktus members will be in ur bed tonight)
rapiers?
rapid slashes
ya true but then again they cant use rapid slashes 2 times every second
@@fenaerii36 also a good player can just parry the rapid slashes
Dagger is overrated
smash
hold s and spam m1