No because the np only lasts until the end of enemies turn so you cant activate a debuff to proc it during your turn, chen gong killing her does not proc it (when she has guts CE)
The counter seems to be activated by moves done by the enemy AI actively, so using a debuff skill and attacking counts but break skills and self inflicted debuffs don’t.
I was so expecting 2 Bazzets to go like: Counter! Counter - counter! Counter - counter - counter! Counter - counter - counter - counter! Counter - counter - counter - counter - counter! And so on, until one of them was dead. Oh well, reality is often disapointing...
@@NAiRAYR oh I guess I misunderstood what soft lock meant, I had thought it meant something along the lines of "A situation where a game remains playable, but further progress or action is impossible", of which can be solved by use of an anti-softlock, returning to a previous checkpoint/ save, or restarting the game
For those confused by the last part, basically, debuff effects of Oberon's S2 and S3 do not trigger if guts activates at the same turn where it would normally trigger. Plushie made a vid on that a few months back, as a way of delaying Oberon's Eternal sleep on Morgan. It was pretty impractical there but for Bazett, it could be useful for her on a 3rd wave. In the first run here, there was no guts and Bazett is affected with sleep at the end of that turn due to Oberon's s3 so she doesn't get to fire off her Frag or take advantage of the NP buff. In the second run, the curse and other DOT effects proc and activated guts that was put on Bazett as a way of stopping the Sleep effect of Oberon's S3. So once the turn ends, she keeps the buffs and isn't affected by the demerit parts of Oberon's s3
According to her passive, Bazett extends her attack-related buff to the end of enemies' 3rd turns. But Oberon's 3rd skill applies the Eternal sleep Demerit effect which is concluded as Debuff and will trigger at the end of Bazett turns. That's why he isn't compatible with Bazett. That's why we need the gut buff to extend demerit.
I honestly think they should have make it work, since we can make the curse from Zouken CE target Chen Gong if he sacrifice a Servant with that equipped So the game already has the code to consider friendly fire a target for counter-type effect. If Bazett can Fragarach Cheng Gong, it would make swapping him out easier as well
I really wish bazzet could counter another counter Then whenever two bazzets fought they would counter each other infinitely until one of them were dead
I think a very good reason they didn't have the counters work on each other is the possibility of both having an invulnerable states. It could have softlocked the game.
I started a new account around the time the Case Files rerun was about to end. Pulled Reines there and now used up the remaining SQ (it was a Quartz account) to get Bazett. And well, she's legitimately useful as a farmer. Hell, you don't even need Reines; just the free Waver + any 20% charger (and a support Skadi) and you can make a working 3T comp with her and Arash. It's even running full CE bonus thanks to the event CEs having starting charge. Depending on the enemy types their AI can screw you over, of course, but considering how new the account is it's pretty damn impressive I can full bonus 3T on it at all. And that's while her main use isn't that of a farmer at all, but rather that of a CQ destroyer. They really did her justice in that she's one hell of an allrounder. Kind of disappointed that Fragarach doesn't turn back time and hard-counters trump cards like it's supposed to, but that would have probably been too powerful considering how much of a powerhouse she is already.
for 5:30, I bet that it's her Taunt, not her counter. I've noticed that on other people, when they have taunt and guts, most notably Chen Gong(mostly cause I use Para's Guts on him the most)
I wish Bazett's counter would counter another Bazett's counter, so that way it's a Relentless Back and forth between the 2 Bazetts so it can be an Endurance match.
Where do you guys even test these fights? I always see Servant tests vs Kiara, vs Goetia, now I see vs. Angry Mango too.. how do you always have those fights available for testing?
I would probably gather here that only active actions trigger Fragarach, so for example, Bazett wouldn't be soloing through Cernunnos' Curse Layers any time soon, even if that is capable of debuffing her
Heyy i just completed lb 6 but I can't see tunguska?? Is there any special requirement for it to unlock cuz after doing 1 no battle quest it disappeared?? ,
Per the Angra example, sorry if this is dumb, might the rest of the team dying first be what's preventing Frag from firing, so it could work if Bazett solos him? Or does every other aoe np also finish ko'ing the frontline *and then* the counter activates?
Goddamnit, TM. First, you disallow DoT to trigger Bazette's counter NP, now you take away potential of the infinite loop of counter of Bazette vs Bazette with with both side has invul/evade.
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so does bazett counter-kill her allies if they apply a debuff to her through their skills (when they aren't treated as buffs)?
No because the np only lasts until the end of enemies turn so you cant activate a debuff to proc it during your turn, chen gong killing her does not proc it (when she has guts CE)
The counter seems to be activated by moves done by the enemy AI actively, so using a debuff skill and attacking counts but break skills and self inflicted debuffs don’t.
@@PlushieMistress daaaw, woulda been fun
I love the fact that bazett is making a whole new level of complexity possible.
so sounds like nasuverse
I was so expecting 2 Bazzets to go like:
Counter!
Counter - counter!
Counter - counter - counter!
Counter - counter - counter - counter!
Counter - counter - counter - counter - counter!
And so on, until one of them was dead. Oh well, reality is often disapointing...
Unfortunately can't do that because of potential soft lock, if both Bazetts have evade/ inv the game will soft lock itself, with an infinite loop
The 2 Bazetts, after spending hours countering each other while both have invul/evade: "Standing here, I realise..."
@@shou4465 its not a softlock,you can just quit
@@NAiRAYR oh I guess I misunderstood what soft lock meant, I had thought it meant something along the lines of "A situation where a game remains playable, but further progress or action is impossible", of which can be solved by use of an anti-softlock, returning to a previous checkpoint/ save, or restarting the game
this would have turned FGO into disgaea
For those confused by the last part, basically, debuff effects of Oberon's S2 and S3 do not trigger if guts activates at the same turn where it would normally trigger. Plushie made a vid on that a few months back, as a way of delaying Oberon's Eternal sleep on Morgan. It was pretty impractical there but for Bazett, it could be useful for her on a 3rd wave. In the first run here, there was no guts and Bazett is affected with sleep at the end of that turn due to Oberon's s3 so she doesn't get to fire off her Frag or take advantage of the NP buff. In the second run, the curse and other DOT effects proc and activated guts that was put on Bazett as a way of stopping the Sleep effect of Oberon's S3. So once the turn ends, she keeps the buffs and isn't affected by the demerit parts of Oberon's s3
Thank you for explaining it
Thanks... Now I understand. But getting a gut trigger before sleep is kinda hard. Or niche
Hard to trigger but not a bad thing
@@yukio9723 Well, you can always gong her lol.
@@nineflames2863 that's also an option
This is quite helpful to stop the spread of misinformation in the community.
Agreed considering a lot of it seems to be usually from those who have issues with her not avoiding damage with her counter.
Waiting for TH-cam to start putting misinfo warnings on Bazett videos...
According to her passive, Bazett extends her attack-related buff to the end of enemies' 3rd turns. But Oberon's 3rd skill applies the Eternal sleep Demerit effect which is concluded as Debuff and will trigger at the end of Bazett turns. That's why he isn't compatible with Bazett. That's why we need the gut buff to extend demerit.
So, Bazett's Fragarach breaks the enemy's animations like certain taunt+Guts scenarios. That Angra attacking thin air caught me off guard.
It would be funny if lasagna made a special animation for when you gong her she actually shoot back at Chen gong before dying
I honestly think they should have make it work, since we can make the curse from Zouken CE target Chen Gong if he sacrifice a Servant with that equipped
So the game already has the code to consider friendly fire a target for counter-type effect. If Bazett can Fragarach Cheng Gong, it would make swapping him out easier as well
@@TheAnaz41745 Put Guts and snipe Chen Gong
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Enemy:(exists)
Bazzet:YOU ACTIVATED MY COUNTER
Bazzet: Royal Guard! Royal Release!
Angra Mainyu's NP being the exception to everything again, it's kind of hilarious his NP isn't considered anything in the game xD
I really wish bazzet could counter another counter
Then whenever two bazzets fought they would counter each other infinitely until one of them were dead
If they both had evade, it would softlock your game.
Take a shot every time you hear "Fragarach"
I love this new series. Keep it up with Bazett videos! 😆
4:15 Yo what the fuck, now Angra can attack meele not even moving from where he is? who was gonna think he had something useful after all this time
Bazett don't use face cards.
She only uses Trap Cards.
She's descendant of marik
I think a very good reason they didn't have the counters work on each other is the possibility of both having an invulnerable states. It could have softlocked the game.
Give her ignore invincibility
Plushie! You should start doing contents like this! So fed up to see people debating over Servant's skills/features
"I'm countering your counter." - Bazett.
Shouldn't two Bazetts result in infinite recursive counter countering?
No the counter doesnt activate on counters
@@PlushieMistress Prob cause it counts as an NP
@@UmbrumE40 she does counter normal NPs though
@@UmbrumE40 no, it counters NPs as you can see in Goetia's example, it just not counter counters to prevent infinite loop if both have evade
@@StephanMok AH right sorry, dont know why i thought she didnt counter nps
4:16 Turns out he can fire invisible projectiles now
I started a new account around the time the Case Files rerun was about to end. Pulled Reines there and now used up the remaining SQ (it was a Quartz account) to get Bazett. And well, she's legitimately useful as a farmer. Hell, you don't even need Reines; just the free Waver + any 20% charger (and a support Skadi) and you can make a working 3T comp with her and Arash. It's even running full CE bonus thanks to the event CEs having starting charge. Depending on the enemy types their AI can screw you over, of course, but considering how new the account is it's pretty damn impressive I can full bonus 3T on it at all. And that's while her main use isn't that of a farmer at all, but rather that of a CQ destroyer. They really did her justice in that she's one hell of an allrounder.
Kind of disappointed that Fragarach doesn't turn back time and hard-counters trump cards like it's supposed to, but that would have probably been too powerful considering how much of a powerhouse she is already.
5:16 goetia health tho
Myth busters, i love it
it would be funny if Bazett could counter another Bazett Fragarach, infinite Fragarach loop
for 5:30, I bet that it's her Taunt, not her counter. I've noticed that on other people, when they have taunt and guts, most notably Chen Gong(mostly cause I use Para's Guts on him the most)
Well this clears things up. Also that bgm fits the vid
Since you didn't put it, I assume no special animation when she counters an NP then? Pity.
No as far as i am aware
Myth: You can stop Bazett by NP sealing after NP prep
Will bazett counter me if I do a little trolling 🤨
I frickin love how bazzett plays, not only is she my favorite from HA, but her skins are also top tier in fgo
Sad to see Bazett can use the Power of the Pretender King himself, and I thought it would last until the enemy turn
Ty for your service
Enemy Bazett's counter wont kill you when you use debuffs on her
It WILL kill if you atk her though
I wish Bazett's counter would counter another Bazett's counter, so that way it's a Relentless Back and forth between the 2 Bazetts so it can be an Endurance match.
If they both have their Evade up it's literally gonna softlock the game unfortunately
Omg so on the ideal turn she can break 2 bars in one turn
Impressive
Bazett "and i took that personally" fraga mcremitz
sorry i had to delete the comment i didn't understand at first but when i realized i asked a dumb questioni i got embarrassed lol great video tho
Nah lol it was not stated very clear in the video, i tried to pin it bc i think many people might have the same question as yours
if bazzet can counter bazzet np that means it would become an endless loop of counters until one dies
Yes and if both have evade your game explodes so im guessing that’s why lol
@@PlushieMistress the bazzet paradox
Can't wait for her to get to NA
I don't really understand what happened with the last one with all the debuffs?
The debuffs procced her guts and prevented the eternal sleep from happening because it cannot sleep a dead servant
So its like : curse kills her -> eternal sleep fails due to her being dead -> guts revives her
@@PlushieMistress ok i get it now thanks
4:16 Mango attacks the air
You just activated her trap card
Where do you guys even test these fights? I always see Servant tests vs Kiara, vs Goetia, now I see vs. Angry Mango too.. how do you always have those fights available for testing?
She good even without fragment of 2030
The steonger ver of verg avesta
what is the quest that bazzet countering bazzet?
is it Caren's np quest coz I don't have this quest
It is
@@PlushieMistress ok thx
Why does the Bazett countering Bazett not result in an endless counter attacking until 1 Bazett is dies?
Does Black Grail increase the damage of her counter?
it counts as an NP so yea
*Break Bar:* Hold your horses pal, you're done this round, take this debuff too
*Bazett:* YOU FOOL!
I would probably gather here that only active actions trigger Fragarach, so for example, Bazett wouldn't be soloing through Cernunnos' Curse Layers any time soon, even if that is capable of debuffing her
Yo was that a new angra animation that double swipe?
Her counter alway trigger if enemy try to attack or debuff you
unless it’s a breakbar effect. she only responds to an enemy’s 1-3 actions
If I may ask, how are you fighting a bazzet in the counter a counter
Welp I’m down 300 channel points
Her NP isn't buff block-proof is it
I dont think so but her skill 3 can prevent it
From what I heard the taunt etc. gets blocked but not the counter
The counter status can't be blocked or removed, but the other buffs applies by the NP can be
Heyy i just completed lb 6 but I can't see tunguska?? Is there any special requirement for it to unlock cuz after doing 1 no battle quest it disappeared?? ,
Its event only
Where do I find quest with enemy bazette
Caren np upgrade
What about 2 bazett counter at the same time?
How can You fight with bosses like Kiara or goetia?
I'm just going to assume that attempting content with Bazett can go terribly wrong but thank you for trying to explain how she works.
Per the Angra example, sorry if this is dumb, might the rest of the team dying first be what's preventing Frag from firing, so it could work if Bazett solos him? Or does every other aoe np also finish ko'ing the frontline *and then* the counter activates?
watch the rest of the video, death animations always play first followed by other actions like the counter (Arash’s NP was also like this of course)
Do you prefer circle as confirm or as reject?
oh my god...
If FGO Ever had PVP, Bazett would be EX Tier.
So, what will happen if two bazett countering each other
This makes a never ending loop until 1 of them dies
If both have evades it makes even worse and you already imagine what will happen
@@shaunaburst5638 lmao xd
Goddamnit, TM. First, you disallow DoT to trigger Bazette's counter NP, now you take away potential of the infinite loop of counter of Bazette vs Bazette with with both side has invul/evade.
Enemy angra is aggressive
But can she beat Goku?