The shade motors you were looking at 27:27 were built by M P Moller. I installed many of these in the 1970's. Most used a early perflex material that only lasted about ten years at which time blew apart. Then I used player piano rubber cloth to make the puffer bags to replace the perflex.
Very interesting !! My grandfather ( Harold D. Ocker ) started working for M.P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. Did you ever meet him ???
Brilliant and informative in the truest sense of the words. A respectful tip of the cap to the Presenter and to the organist who was playing Bach's superlative "Cathedral" prelude and fugue in the background. The two videos could not possibly have been better!
So glad to see this. I visited there years ago and wondered where all the pipes are. I never got to hear the organ in that wonderful environment, and am thankful to hear it. I imagine it’s challenging to play in that huge space so hats off to the organist.
Been many years,about 70 when I used to be in many of the large pipe organs in Michigan as my two brothers were tuners and I would go in the organ chambers and watch them tune,and also sat at the keyboards and hold the keys for them to tune.Many of the pipe organs were SCHANTZ,WICKS,MOLLER.
😲😲🤷♂️👏🏽The video does the real experience I am sure injustice. Just the sheer size of that Cathedral is Mind blowning. The entire inside looks big enough for a football stadium 🏟 to fit inside.
Indeed, we want to thank the guide and Cathedral for this very special tour! Many of us have never and certainly will never have an opportunity to see the mechanisms, pipes and reeds of this magnificent instrument which is definitely a world treasure. We are so fortunate to have this wonderful tour of this magnificent Cathedral and amazing organ. It is breathtakingly beautiful. To God be the Glory! Thank you so much.
That little trick of using the divisional tag as a divisional cancel is a very neat! I watched part one of the demo and had to watch the portion where Horst canceled the division three times to make sure I wasn't seeing things! Excellent video, really well done.
@@cornwalldragon4617 Schantz used that trick for the organ at the Melbourne Town Hall. I discovered it by accident, and with the exception of one organist that I informed, I don't know how many others know that you can do that. But agreed, it's a great idea, and would be very useful if improvising.
Certainly a great video and I always enjoy these. You are extremely knowledgable. Being a neat freak I did notice a lot of ..well...stuff sort of all over the upper area. Chairs, boxes scattered. They really should clean up a bit. Also laying a ladder against a pipe, ehh I dont know . Not the access ladder but the one on the floor propped agains a pipe. Just being observant.
The reed was likely replaced with a larger scale than Moller's chest layout would allow. Time for relay updates and expression motor repairs. The issue with mixture tuning and switching isn't about airflow, its about how pitches react to each other or draw during tuning.
This organ was featured in the British Organist's magazine "The Organ", April 1950. Sadly and unlike many of the organ reviews featured in "The Organ", the writers for the explanation of the Kilgen organ "Eugen R. Kilgen" spent most of the ink on pontificating about the care and finish lavished on the instrument, but never gave much in the way explanation of how they solved problems or what problems faced them in design and construction. It reads more like sales pamphlet.
Sounds like the way I wired my organ- each ranks has it's own negative which is connected to the rectifier's negative using relays that the stop tabs actuate. I used 30 amp automotive headlight relays to do that, they have performed flawlessly for the last 20 years and switch on immediately
If Ralph Adams Cram hadn't ruined St. John the Divine in New York City, it would probably have been completed and look as glorious as the St. Louis Cathedral Basilica.
I agree and disagree because on one side the Cathedral Staff back then wanted and new style and so they chosen Ralph Adam Cram who is a person who builds in the Gothic style. I agree with you because who could have built the 601ft Nave but in the Romanques Style. But either way one thing I am disappointed is that St John stopped multiple times when they had the opportunity to finish.
Thanks, wonderful tour. Does the temperature differential dramatically impact the tuning, especially with divisions separated around the church? I noticed a lot of fans and oil heaters scattered around.
Was there a pontifical trumpet in the original spec? (I remember reading about it in an old Catholic Choir magazine and the gallery console was a two manual. )
The dust that does the most harm likely is inside the pipes. So to do a thorough cleaning to avoid dust issues, it would need to happen each month at least. Can you imagine having to remove the dust, then check each pipe for tuning after the dusting? My bet is the dust does less harm than imagined, and the hassle of removing it costs more time in tuning than its worth.
Maybe some people will call me extreme,, but I really don't like speakers being considered part of a pipe Organ. I prefer just real pipes, and not trying to fool people into thinking they are hearing pipes when they are really just hearing a cheap imitation.
Ah, my grandfather would have "adored you"... He was Harold D. Ocker, and started working for M. P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. Even though Moller innovated and patented several of the first electrical systems and the Pittman wind chamber, grandaddy hated the concept of the Moller organ "becoming a Hammond organ"..
This speakers sound great. No one is being fooled. Leopold Stokowski was originally a church organist in London. When he ended up as Conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra, he placed large speakers in the rooms below the parquet deep in the basement that made the orchestra sound more effective. He also added a dozen more base violins to accentuate the deep sound. He was very clever indeed and became known for the distinctive sound the Philadelphia orchestra had. Was he fooling the people? No, he was giving them their moneys worth.
Another impossible organ to service . Organ builders have brought death to themselves by making organs like this. Moller was always one of the worst offenders
True that! There's a story floating around about one RC church having NO room for an organ, so Moller put a double-Artiste where a confessional was, and raising the pressure until it screamed (so as to fill the church with some God-awful sound.) If it were about any other builder, I wouldn't believe that story...
@@miltronix My grandfather ( Harold D. Ocker ) started working for M.P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. I do not understand the implication of your story. Are you stating that the company did "unorthodox" things" ???
The shade motors you were looking at 27:27 were built by M P Moller. I installed many of these in the 1970's. Most used a early perflex material that only lasted about ten years at which time blew apart. Then I used player piano rubber cloth to make the puffer bags to replace the perflex.
Very interesting !! My grandfather ( Harold D. Ocker ) started working for M.P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. Did you ever meet him ???
Brilliant and informative in the truest sense of the words. A respectful tip of the cap to the Presenter and to the organist who was playing Bach's superlative "Cathedral" prelude and fugue in the background. The two videos could not possibly have been better!
Bossi Scherzo FTW. Love that piece. Great work, everyone!
So glad to see this. I visited there years ago and wondered where all the pipes are. I never got to hear the organ in that wonderful environment, and am thankful to hear it. I imagine it’s challenging to play in that huge space so hats off to the organist.
These two videos were fascinating. So many beautiful voices on this magnificent instrument. A true American treasure.
Thanks to everyone involved. 👍❤️
Thank you so much. You take where we can't go. Hallelujah
Probably the best acoustics ever and an amazing performance of the Bach BWV 547! Tour very informative but I am tuned in to the Bach- awesome!
Been many years,about 70 when I used to be in many of the large pipe organs in Michigan as my two brothers were tuners and I would go in the organ chambers and watch them tune,and also sat at the keyboards and hold the keys for them to tune.Many of the pipe organs were SCHANTZ,WICKS,MOLLER.
Great presentation Brent. And Horst, you are the man!
😲😲🤷♂️👏🏽The video does the real experience I am sure injustice. Just the sheer size of that Cathedral is Mind blowning. The entire inside looks big enough for a football stadium 🏟 to fit inside.
Indeed, we want to thank the guide and Cathedral for this very special tour! Many of us have never and certainly will never have an opportunity to see the mechanisms, pipes and reeds of this magnificent instrument which is definitely a world treasure. We are so fortunate to have this wonderful tour of this magnificent Cathedral and amazing organ. It is breathtakingly beautiful. To God be the Glory! Thank you so much.
An absolutely wonderful tour of this interesting organ; bravo!
i don't know what my favorite stops are i like all of them
But if I had to pick one it'll be the 8 foot stop
That little trick of using the divisional tag as a divisional cancel is a very neat! I watched part one of the demo and had to watch the portion where Horst canceled the division three times to make sure I wasn't seeing things! Excellent video, really well done.
I thought that was a neat little trick of having the divisional badges act as a cancel. More organs need to have a feature like that.
@@cornwalldragon4617 Schantz used that trick for the organ at the Melbourne Town Hall. I discovered it by accident, and with the exception of one organist that I informed, I don't know how many others know that you can do that. But agreed, it's a great idea, and would be very useful if improvising.
A thorough tour of a fascinating instrument, well done!
Thank you for this excellent tour!
I thoroughly enjoyed this post. Thank you for sharing.
wow i love the combination of the melody octave it sounds like a flute
Es un grandioso órgano, es espectacular 👌 saludos desde Tampico Tamaulipas México 🇲🇽
The build- up of the final section of the fugue is spine- chilling!
Ahh huh ahh huh ahh huh
Ahh huh ahh huh ahh huh
Certainly a great video and I always enjoy these. You are extremely knowledgable. Being a neat freak I did notice a lot of ..well...stuff sort of all over the upper area. Chairs, boxes scattered. They really should clean up a bit. Also laying a ladder against a pipe, ehh I dont know . Not the access ladder but the one on the floor propped agains a pipe. Just being observant.
Nice work Brent!
The reed was likely replaced with a larger scale than Moller's chest layout would allow. Time for relay updates and expression motor repairs. The issue with mixture tuning and switching isn't about airflow, its about how pitches react to each other or draw during tuning.
Thanks for sharing this!
You have my ultimate job!
This organ was featured in the British Organist's magazine "The Organ", April 1950. Sadly and unlike many of the organ reviews featured in "The Organ", the writers for the explanation of the Kilgen organ "Eugen R. Kilgen" spent most of the ink on pontificating about the care and finish lavished on the instrument, but never gave much in the way explanation of how they solved problems or what problems faced them in design and construction. It reads more like sales pamphlet.
intresting to see that some of the stops are build as the theatre organ builders have made it
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Sounds like the way I wired my organ- each ranks has it's own negative which is connected to the rectifier's negative using relays that the stop tabs actuate.
I used 30 amp automotive headlight relays to do that, they have performed flawlessly for the last 20 years and switch on immediately
Ahh HUH AHH HUH AHH HUH
If Ralph Adams Cram hadn't ruined St. John the Divine in New York City, it would probably have been completed and look as glorious as the St. Louis Cathedral Basilica.
I agree and disagree because on one side the Cathedral Staff back then wanted and new style and so they chosen Ralph Adam Cram who is a person who builds in the Gothic style. I agree with you because who could have built the 601ft Nave but in the Romanques Style. But either way one thing I am disappointed is that St John stopped multiple times when they had the opportunity to finish.
Very note resting tour. A bear to service!
Sam Shearman: What are you saying, Sam?
E. Conboy Based on the video part 2 l'm speaking about the many layers of the instrument to adjust and tune. It has an amazing sound.
Sam Shearman : Thank you! I’m looking forward to it. Stay well, friend, God bless you.
makes putting a man on the moon look like childsplay
Thanks, wonderful tour. Does the temperature differential dramatically impact the tuning, especially with divisions separated around the church? I noticed a lot of fans and oil heaters scattered around.
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Superb camera visuals. What type of camera used and what size was the cameraman to get those excellent visuals in the nuk and crannies?
Some questions about our gear are answered here th-cam.com/video/Bonl9p2DLnc/w-d-xo.html
The sound didn't get turned on? Camera guy should wear headphones and monitor the audio always. Very rookie error that.
Was there a pontifical trumpet in the original spec? (I remember reading about it in an old Catholic Choir magazine and the gallery console was a two manual. )
What are haskle(sp?) or heskle(sp?) pipes?
Haskelled pipes are pipes with inverted cans inserted into the tops of the pipes. It lowers the speaking pitch of the pipe.
@@OrganMediaFoundation Ok so pretty much like a stopped pipe?
Cornwall Dragon in addition to Brett's comment they are used to shorten open basses instead of mitering those same pipes or using stopped pipes.
Not completely stopped, but a similar phenomenon.
@@OrganMediaFoundation Thank you and thank you too @praestant8.
what is the organ music playing at the beginning ?
All of the musical selections and performers are listed in the description of the video.
thanks
No exposed pipes in the rear?!
I'm very concerned to see the large about of dust around the pipes. It is not doing the organ any good.
The dust that does the most harm likely is inside the pipes. So to do a thorough cleaning to avoid dust issues, it would need to happen each month at least. Can you imagine having to remove the dust, then check each pipe for tuning after the dusting? My bet is the dust does less harm than imagined, and the hassle of removing it costs more time in tuning than its worth.
S N: Not mentioning accidental damages.
@@Mrsnichols1965 Yes, I see your point.
I'm guessing it's not a tracker. lol
Please turn auto play off. Channels that automatically go from one video to the next are annoying.
That's a TH-cam feature, it's not us. It's easy to turn this function off however: support.google.com/youtube/thread/36209233?hl=en&msgid=36213649
How come I never see a woman playing these big organs?
digital speakers, heresy!
Maybe some people will call me extreme,, but I really don't like speakers being considered part of a pipe Organ. I prefer just real pipes, and not trying to fool people into thinking they are hearing pipes when they are really just hearing a cheap imitation.
Ah, my grandfather would have "adored you"... He was Harold D. Ocker, and started working for M. P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. Even though Moller innovated and patented several of the first electrical systems and the Pittman wind chamber, grandaddy hated the concept of the Moller organ "becoming a Hammond organ"..
This speakers sound great. No one is being fooled.
Leopold Stokowski was originally a church organist in London. When he ended up as Conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra, he placed large speakers in the rooms below the parquet deep in the basement that made the orchestra sound more effective. He also added a dozen more base violins to accentuate the deep sound. He was very clever indeed and became known for the distinctive sound the Philadelphia orchestra had. Was he fooling the people? No, he was giving them their moneys worth.
Another impossible organ to service . Organ builders have brought death to themselves by making organs like this. Moller was always one of the worst offenders
True that! There's a story floating around about one RC church having NO room for an organ, so Moller put a double-Artiste where a confessional was, and raising the pressure until it screamed (so as to fill the church with some God-awful sound.) If it were about any other builder, I wouldn't believe that story...
@@miltronix My grandfather ( Harold D. Ocker ) started working for M.P. Moller in 1924 and retired as a Vice President. I do not understand the implication of your story. Are you stating that the company did "unorthodox" things" ???
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