Rethinking Biology: A Conversation With Michael Levin
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- Think you know how biology works? Think again! A conversation between pioneering biologist Michael Levin, and Future of Being Human initiative Director Andrew Maynard. Audio available at futureofbeingh...
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MICHAEL LEVIN
Michael Levin is the Vannevar Bush Distinguished Professor of Biology at Tufts University, and associate faculty at Harvard’s Wyss Institute. He serves as the director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts and the co-director of the Institute for Computationally Designed Organisms at Tufts/UVM.
His lab has pioneered approaches to organ regeneration, cancer reprogramming, non-genetic modification of the bodyplan, and the engineering of novel living proto-organisms. Using tools from behavioral and computer science, Dr. Levin seeks to understand the collective intelligence of cells and harness their problem-solving capacities for applications in birth defects, regeneration, cancer, and synthetic bioengineering.
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ANDREW MAYNARD
Andrew Maynard is a scientist, author, Professor of Advanced Technology Transitions, and founder of Arizona State University’s Future of Being Human community. He studies the future and how our actions influence it.
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The fact that we, (the layman), are able to get this level of information from the very people at the cutting edge of research into all these fields of genetics, biology, neurology, consciousness, AI, the physics of various fields is just amazing, and is something never seen before. These new ideas are entering into the lay consciousness where it compels us to believe that we, (society), ARE at the cusp of a very new era of information dissemination.
I love the way you put that! I'm so excites and so grateful honestly. There are a lot of bad and dangerous things about this dynastic capitalist trend but the proliferation of quality information is a major boon for those who are so inclined. Love you!
Holy moly, the whole conversations was great and refreshing compared to the usual questions to Dr. Levin, but the ending and his vision of the future killed it! Let's f gooo!
I work as a cleaner in a supermarket - to be able to hear this cutting edge thinking at the forefront of science is what is the most wonderful thing!
I see through a glass darkly at what is in store for my children's futures ...unless the childish psychopaths that own don't kill us all first !! 😂
Just had to say thank you for this comment! Allowing anyone to be a part of thinking about the future is incredibly important, and something we strive to do in the Future of Being Human initiative!
I have been following Mike for a while now, and this was a fantastic interview. For what it's worth, I feel that same sense of the unfreezing of scientific dogma and the growing understanding of our limited perception. I believe the falling away of hubris will open the door to a new scientific renaissance.
I am actually just about to release a book on "The future of being human" (not the title) that incorporates some of Mike's ideas on a practical level.
'Fer sure, and considering that Francis Crick won a Nobel for his work discovering DNA, I still can't understand how Levin doesn't receive more mainstream attention for his discoveries that are _at least_ as valuable and revolutionary?! Or perhaps as Andrew points out, we're indeed beginning to see a 'Renaissance of challenges to established notions of how the world works'... with the true 'multi-disciplinary' folks like Mike, _leading the charge_ against the 'established' notions.
Which of Levin's ideas were you looking to incorporate? I've seen nearly all of his presentations and I also think his ideas have broad implications.
@@johnmacbride900 His idea of connections and communication at various levels of the organism and how they communicate. As one example, from a cellular point of view, 97% of people are deficient in potassium. Why does this matter so much? We produce our body weight in ATP every day, and about 50% of that is used to power Na/K pumps. I believe that getting that right is so important when we talk about ion channels and electrical potentials. It is so simple and inexpensive to fix. In the first part, I am exploring getting the basics right. Optimizing the system, if you will. The second aspect is looking at different health interventions and what they mean from a connectivity point of view. For instance, how the hormetic stress of a cold shower causes vasoconstriction in the skin while vasodilation occurs in the organs. I explore how communication across all the various systems must be initiated and coordinated. Using this lens helps us understand how to use these types of things to keep the cells engaged as a collective. Oh, and btw, I will cite him directly and give my opinion that he will be a Nobel prize winner...lol
I wish you luck with the book and having Mike's work being an aspect of your book will bring more to the conversation. As John above here has mentioned I have also been following Dr. Levin for more than a couple of years, and included many of his conversational in a library I've been building for my grandkids so that can get an idea of what Papa thought was interesting, if you'd like a link reach out, peace
@@johnc5893 Interested in your comment on potassium levels! Do you have more information to direct me to?
Kids of the future talking about us.. "they were stuck in the same body their whole lives??? 😳"
20:00 "You don't get out your soldering iron when it's time to switch from Photoshop to Microsoft Word" lmao
Great conversation and questions. So grateful that Michael does all of these talks
Always a treat listening to Michael Levin.
Mind boggling!!! I saw Michael Levin's name and clicked your site. What a fascinating conversation! Trying to digest all this information requires superhuman effort, with my limited
knowledge and background. THANK YOU!!!!! I'll be working on understanding some of this for the rest of the day (skipping the hours of dinner out with friends because they would undoubtedly commit me if I bring this up). I'll watch again tomorrow to help. So happy to find your site!
Thank you both very much for sharing your time and work, Michael, and Andrew, peace
Thank you!
Rupert sheldrake was already all over this decades ago. I'm only a couple minutes into this. I hope they give him credit. This is still ultimately seemingly from what I can tell from the flavor of this, ultimately reductionistic and mechanistic, even if it is bioelectric. It misses something rudimentary in transcendent.oink.oink 🐖🐖🐷🐖
Yes he was. And no, they will never give him credit. Levin talks about memory definitely being stored in the brain, but "we have no evidence". This is no scientist. I don't trust him.
Fantastic talk. Thank you so much!
Absolutely enthralling interview. Mind blowing stuff!
Fantastic episode, Andrew! I definitely have to listen to that again - so much to process!
Thank you for this great interview! Your questions are very spot on for someone like me that does not have a background in biology.
Buenos días
Thanks ~ a great conversation
Another amazing talk from Levin!
I think micro-tubules is doing the thinking, it's a quantum effect. A recent paper on this backs-up Penrose's hypothesis to some extent.
How does Levin's head not explode because it contain all these insights!
Fascinating conversation!
Wish this was longer
someone should stage a talk between Levin and Rupert Sheldrake if they haven't already - this is in part an experimental validation of what Sheldrake has been saying (and been lambasted for) for a long time...
Sheldrake is not a scientist. He denies the role of DNA in biological development despite overwhelming evidence, and claims “morphic resonance” is the true principle underlying why ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny despite no evidence. See Karl Friston and the Free Energy Principle which explains much of the foundation of evolution, motivation, and consciousness.
Could you give me a video to learn about sheldrake? I’m unfamiliar with him and what you’re referencing.
@@lordofnines2167 Sure, you'll find a lot of interesting conversations on a variety of topics in Rupert Sheldrake's channel. But, what he's most known for is morphic resonance, I guess; here's an up-to-date exposition of the main ideas: th-cam.com/video/MC6ljzgRVfY/w-d-xo.html
I see the name Michael Levin abd i click. I write this within a few seconds of clicking... hoping it will be good...
...And it is awesome!! Two terrifically smart scientists having a very incisive discussion. Lots to learn!
Dr. Levin is the GOAT 🐐💯💯
Same lol
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There's an annoying brit boi with the hive mind clone voice you had to get through
Information in The Light Eaters, about plant communications, (Sci Fri recently), blew my mind, as does the information in this interview. Interested in everything you're doing.
If we are going to say that memory is partially stored in a tail, then can we also reverse engineer the study, and see if partial memory is lost when we only remove the tails to prove this claim?
Fascinating.
Great interview. Even more respect for
ML with his Sideshow Bob chair cover.
Yes thank you Dr. Levin for pointing out that our current situation is unacceptable.
what things bubble sorting can do that are not in the algorithm?
Characteristics of the child mentioned in my previously mentioned comment with accompanying video.
Mirai Hoshino was born with disease and disability which no doctor can name.
By modern medical, he is diagnosed with nothing unusual.
But you can see….
Deformity in skull and face.
Eyelids are all lost.(He can’t blink）
Microtiaーsmall ears and positioned in the wrong place.
The bone of forehead is lost(Under skin, there is brain-His brain is not protected by born)
Eye bone is lost.
Cheek bone is lost.
Also he is a child with medical care-Gastrostomy, Ventilator,Tracheostomy-
I am puzzled how random processes can encode both digitally ( proteins) and logic gates with feedback, such complex biological behavior.
Seems "self-correcting goal oriented randomness" is required.
"Error = Stress" I had not understood this till now. How far down though the levels of life and existence does this go? Thanks Micheal.
Imagine what humanity may uncover in the future! Too bad it might not even survive this century.
if life is a consistent phenomenon within the cosmos, biology must be a consistent potential within physics.
And it’s not
@@nathanrobbins7668 It's magic.
@@markwrede8878 huh
Even if it’s just a one-off, with life only existing on earth, it has to be a consistent potential within physics. Same with consciousness. And since magic isn’t real or even a coherent concept, that’s certainly the case. Life is perfectly natural.
@@francescaerreia8859 that IS a presupposition tho, you realize that don’t you? You have no basis for saying that, you just assume there has to be a naturalistic explanation for everything.
That being said, I don’t disagree that it’s impossible within physics. However, I do KNOW (based on experimental data) that it is extremely unlikely.. like borderline impossible
It should be called as “chemical bioelectricity” how does this sodium potassium calcium chloride gradient produces/causes electricity? Do they exchange electrons?
Great interview with good questions. Let’s say the unsayable. Neodarwinism RIP. Cognition in cells and organs able to transmit complex morphological information. Bring back Lamarck.
Just a crazy idea.. As is AGI, could there be somehow a NGI? (natural general intelligence)
that’s what humans & all other animals are *face palm*
first question.. morphic resonance..?
I had the same thought :)
Michael finished with minds changing bodies. In the form of reincarnation I think all life is build on that, In the form of possession overriding one mind with another it is very disturbing - psychopathic, something that should not happen.
Will this fix subcutaneous tissue removed from a pilonidal cyst surgery 😢😢😢😢😢😢
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I wonder if he relates spherical harmonics to embryogenesis
Agents? In chemicals? Intelligence? Story of scaling? Get your goals met? Mystical magic BS. PS my car has self assembled and suddenly decided to start reproducing itself, I presume so it can meet its goals, so I can give cars to everyone in the world now.
This guy is One of the best BSers since my professor Carl Sagan. My car emergent agency 34:04 has human level intelligence just as Levine said "problem-solving intelligence" 😂😂😂
What’s profession? You seem to understand very little about biology.
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Dawkins very upset....
none say what this stress between state and target representation *is* (concretely) - this whole field seems to be mostly 'hand waving'
All this happens without any designer 😂😂😂
I took a rubber band the other day chopped it up and lo and behold it became four tires and then they assembled themselves with an axle ( some scrap metal was laying around ) next thing I knew I had a miniature toy car and then tit started growing and growing new parts and getting bigger! now I have a brand new thing I am calling an automobile that I can drive around with! And it knows where I want to go with I don't have to do a thing!!. Amazing what can be done without any design on my part! That's what Darwin is are trying to sell us.
I don’t see either of these guys making that claim. It is fine to propose an invisible grand designer responsible for all this, but where is the evidence? Our minds inability to conceive how it could be otherwise, is not proof of anything. Science has not proven or disproven a creator, but neither has religion or atheism. Ironically, the ones who most believe they possess the truth are the farthest from it.
Videos like these are not suited for people with ADHD.
All of this is supposed to be random without intelligence? It wouldn’t make sense.
Great interview. Even more respect for ML with his Sideshow Bob chair cover.
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