except he's not less. he has everything. best sidestep, best backdash, evasion, an everything parry, grab/hit into grab moves that do around 60 dmg, a safe heat engager that launches, an unseeable mixup game, range for days and good panic buttons too
@@fuko4066 By saying "less is more" I meant a lot of things but not that his tool kit isn't big or strong enough. Imho he is the most fun if you go for the Zantetsuken meter build playstyle and it's makes the character relatively "simple", you don't need to become unnecessarily risky with his tools and stance pressure to be effective, he can be a risky rushdown character and a safe but affective defensive character, and for being defensive you don't need to go crazy with him.
I mean, you CAN slow down with him, focusing on d1, jab, 1+2 and f1+2. Pretty good if you have strong defense and you're fighting an aggressive player. But yeah, he gets pretty risky if your gameplan is all about stance
This is agony, I don't have the deluxe version, and these 72 hours until Clive comes out only get slower with every video showing the cool things he can do😭(Good video though Phi, saludos desde Argentina)
Lmao, i feel you. Its 30% off on psn, very tempting, but there is no shot i’m buying it just for the early access off the last character of the season. Its also out just in a few hours now
Fighting Clive is so stressful, I'm starting to figure out him a little but it's still a guessing game as to when to block and when to try to armor through his stuff.
@ I think alot try to climb rank ladder due to people not having knowledge of the character. I’m personally not a fan of guest characters when characters fans are begging for don’t return like Bruce. I’m a Lei Wulong player. Had to wait on him T7. Hopefully he will make T8 later.
Clive has strengths with long range, mix-ups, and evasion. However, his timing has less margin them most other characters, his dash move can be punished all day long, and quite frankly he feels underwhelming. Great for people who want to try something new, but with this iteration he seems relegated to 2nd or 3rd string. Maybe it might change with future updates and end up being one of the better characters.
Phidx? Your videos are amazing. Quick question please: I just started playing Tekken on my ps5 pro for the first time ever just yesterday. I am so hopelessly lost lol. This is a complicated game! But I absolutely love it so far. I love it so much that I want to buy a fight stick for it. What fight stick do you recommend please? I am left-handed if that makes a difference. I am also eager to hear what other Tekken players here have to say please?
I started with a Mayflash f500 off amazon. Cost around $80 Decided I liked it then fitted it out with some sanwa buttons and a NewHelpMe lever from focus attack! My favorite stick is Etokki Omni now
Can you make a frame trap guide? Combos and spacing make sense, but it would be easier to know what's laid out when I get a hot that doesn't knock down or launch
Waiting to find some solid Clive counter videos. Might have to take a break from the game until the Dev's reduce some of his overpowered tools (but that's the nature of DLC). See yall in a month or so!
Good video as always Phi, but when you said "keep all your resources" after using half your heat gauge and emptying the Zantetsuken levels I had to do a double take
I'm in two minds said I'd buy Heihatchi and learn him i still only play Steve. Clive looks cool but will probably just go back to steve. I just can't find a second character
Got an easier 111 damage move. Sidestep 1+2 - db1+2 Garuda string/teliport, after they slam the ground do low sweep ice shit, it should wall splat. From there heat to tailflip reset and use that 5 bar move. I'm at work so can't actually double check my inputs 😅 hope I described it well enough to follow along
I labbed Clive with my friend that has a pass for like 4 hours just to see what i can and cannot punish, but now that people will be watching this video, i gotta lab more.
Yeah Clive players need to be grinding like hell these first few days before people get used to the character, take advantage of that new character hidden hand advantage before people know how to deal with him, makes people’s grind easier. That should be people’s main strategy anytime a new character drops to rank them up fast.
Double edged sword, yes there's having to deal with the unknown, but you gotta remember most top level players will essentially be smurfing as Clive will be lower ranked, resulting in potentially very difficult matches
@@genzo454I don’t think Feng’s tracks at all, but if it does that doesn’t justify it being -19 and Clive’s not even being jab punishable. Clive is hard to step period.
@@NomoregoodnamesD8His snake edge(s)? Clive also has easier/better versions of moves that Bryan has. Clive yet again is safe while Bryan is punishable. Clive is a menace, he’s cool but he’s yet another character that highlights how dated certain characters are.
Hearing your thought process is so helpful. I don’t play Clive and have no interest but I can definitely apply all of this to characters that I want to play + I’m learning good Clive counter play. Appreciate your videos as always sir!
In terms of DLC Tekken 8 has been such a bust in terms of characters and their tools.. it feels as though within days of a character being released ppl figure out the very few paths for combos and it all becomes fishing for the same routes over and over again. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in every single one of the characters released inclusive of Clive.. I was hoping for something fresh but this isn't it..
@@chumchum9899 i take my turn with a 13 frame, man can Parry and kill me. That shit is mad good. But it's just crazy having a homing mid mid hit confirmable heat engaging safe launcher. It's honestly a contender for best move in the game right now in my opinion. It is on par, actually straight up better than T7 release Steve df2, and that button was crazy.
Thx for youre content im very new to tekken and i had the motivation to play because of you now i play paul and leroy and because of your tutorials im getting better im in the orange rank now i hope i can get better
After playing a few sets vs Clive's I can with confidence say, that I am sincerely sorry to every top 5 (former top 5) character I shit talked. Clive just does everything they do, except 10 times better. Every character, be it Jin Nina Yoshi Drag or Feng, they all seem so innocent and fair now. It's like my eyes have been opened.
His weakest game is probably small Tekken, though it's not something Jack necessarily excels at either. If he respects his -8 after F1+2 you can use that to force pressure with something like sidestep 2 into mix or perhaps stance pressure of your own. Other than that his phoenix stance isn't the best for looping pressure, so punish the fast mids while trying to dickjab interrupt can shut down his turns. The only thing that's plus from Phoenix is the pole vault so if you block anything from it that isn't that push to force your turn back. Another thing you can have in the back of your head is your command grabs on block and close range. Huge reward if they want to push power crush to get back to their favored range. Gl jack is sick.
I wasn't paid.
thats what they all say
Ur lars is super good
PAID ACTOR
HI DOSH 👋
How kind of you. Helping Phi out for free
pee pee clive?
Its a series
Yeah, Pee Pee Clive. Best Clive in the world
(P)hi (P)lays Clive
Yeah we love phis pp
pee pee clive.
8:21 😂 “I hate this game!” Made me LOL
6:40 “Man, I can’t break throws. By the way, I have a throw breaking guide on my channel.”
Phi, I think you need to work on your sales pitch there. 😉
This is perfect timing. Been watching mad Clive videos to better learn him. Much appreciated!
I feel like Clive is an actual "sometimes less is more" character.
except he's not less. he has everything. best sidestep, best backdash, evasion, an everything parry, grab/hit into grab moves that do around 60 dmg, a safe heat engager that launches, an unseeable mixup game, range for days and good panic buttons too
@fuko4066 And?
@@fuko4066 By saying "less is more" I meant a lot of things but not that his tool kit isn't big or strong enough. Imho he is the most fun if you go for the Zantetsuken meter build playstyle and it's makes the character relatively "simple", you don't need to become unnecessarily risky with his tools and stance pressure to be effective, he can be a risky rushdown character and a safe but affective defensive character, and for being defensive you don't need to go crazy with him.
@@fuko4066 3 of those statements are not even true
Clive is basically “all or nothing”
I mean, you CAN slow down with him, focusing on d1, jab, 1+2 and f1+2. Pretty good if you have strong defense and you're fighting an aggressive player. But yeah, he gets pretty risky if your gameplan is all about stance
IT,S ALL OT NOTHING
@@marthaawah8948 SF6 MENTIONED?!!
@@marthaawah8948TIME TO GO TO WORK
Or as some would say "no risk, no reward"
This is agony, I don't have the deluxe version, and these 72 hours until Clive comes out only get slower with every video showing the cool things he can do😭(Good video though Phi, saludos desde Argentina)
Lmao, i feel you. Its 30% off on psn, very tempting, but there is no shot i’m buying it just for the early access off the last character of the season. Its also out just in a few hours now
It should later this afternoon. But I agree.. I may get the next fight pass.
That fight pass need to be half off at this point … season to is just a few months away anyway
"Just hit 'em with the 4,4 into Phoenix shift mix." -Me cheesing my homie on tekken
Fighting Clive is so stressful, I'm starting to figure out him a little but it's still a guessing game as to when to block and when to try to armor through his stuff.
He’s being figured out because everyone is playing him. I do quick match and out of 30 matches about 28 of them were Clive.
Weird so looks like everyone likes the new DLC after all the hate. Classic tekken fanbase.
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@ I think alot try to climb rank ladder due to people not having knowledge of the character. I’m personally not a fan of guest characters when characters fans are begging for don’t return like Bruce. I’m a Lei Wulong player. Had to wait on him T7. Hopefully he will make T8 later.
It's the opposite for me I havent faced 1 Clive yet
@@GRIZZLY12345 hmm, interesting. Have you purchased him?
I got my Clive to mighty ruler I’m gunning for fujin
okay that wall carry is crazy, and has ignited my will to lab him so more. kinda loving this character so far
did you figure out how to step f1+2
Clive has strengths with long range, mix-ups, and evasion. However, his timing has less margin them most other characters, his dash move can be punished all day long, and quite frankly he feels underwhelming. Great for people who want to try something new, but with this iteration he seems relegated to 2nd or 3rd string. Maybe it might change with future updates and end up being one of the better characters.
Not sure if PhiDX noticed, but the sequence at 16:47 combo'd. That's kinda cool, coulda heat dashed to extend too.
I'm buying Clive tomorrow, he looks so cool.
Clive is fun definitely need fundamentals more than other characters
Im Just Happy That Phi is Finally Looking like he is Genuinely Enjoying Clive lol ❤
Hey thanks for your video I am really into learning Clive so I have been taking notes gonna test him out today
I wanna see that sonic v phi Clive mirror
PP Clive, PP Clive!!!!
Phi dude look at that situation at 9:18. Thats a guaranteed kill. You need to find ways to build Z meter in these situations!
Great videos, thanks for the tips
I was defintely screaming at my screen to Rage art at 19:40
I hope Clive clicks for Phi and we'll see him in competition with it :)
In time, I can see Clive having this identity as THE fun character in T8, regardless if he'll turn out top tier, tournament viable or not.
For the super wallcarry you can omit the df1, then instead of u1+2,2,1 T! you can use u1+2,2f PHX 21T! instead
Bro got his noctis back but better 🤣🌹
2,2,2 is also really good string.
Phidx? Your videos are amazing. Quick question please: I just started playing Tekken on my ps5 pro for the first time ever just yesterday. I am so hopelessly lost lol. This is a complicated game! But I absolutely love it so far. I love it so much that I want to buy a fight stick for it.
What fight stick do you recommend please? I am left-handed if that makes a difference. I am also eager to hear what other Tekken players here have to say please?
I think the Mayflash F700 is good, and any of the Qanba line 💪🏼
I started with a Mayflash f500 off amazon. Cost around $80
Decided I liked it then fitted it out with some sanwa buttons and a NewHelpMe lever from focus attack!
My favorite stick is Etokki Omni now
Learning so much. Thank you @phidx
with the help of your throw breaking guide I took my tb% from 4% to 8% ty🙏 (I'm a king main we cant break throws)
Can you make a frame trap guide? Combos and spacing make sense, but it would be easier to know what's laid out when I get a hot that doesn't knock down or launch
At +1, look at 10 frame moves
At +2, look at 11 frame moves
At +3, look at 12 frame moves
Etc.
This mofo Clive really gonna bring me back to Tekken
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I redownloaded the game the moment it got announced
Please, no…. No more Clive’s please
Makes me wanna leave... every single person is playing him and his range is so stupid busted... then there's everyone spamming f1+2... 💀
@@garymichalles8383 Seems like a skill issue
Great format for a video
is there a reason why he doesnt use 1+2 for heal back, i spam it since its so quick if they are negative then i see it as free grey health healing
Can you name a situation in this video where 1+2 was a better choice than what he did?
Have you seen the broken by concept podcast? They talked about fighting games in one of them
I beg your pardon
Furiously taking notes for Clive.
Thank you for these videos Phi, Clive is so much fun.
So is Clives power the phoenix or Ifrit or both?
His original power is Ifrit, all the others came after
Waiting to find some solid Clive counter videos. Might have to take a break from the game until the Dev's reduce some of his overpowered tools (but that's the nature of DLC). See yall in a month or so!
I find that (DF 1 2 4 22), after the wall break, hit very nicely. 😊
Good video as always Phi, but when you said "keep all your resources" after using half your heat gauge and emptying the Zantetsuken levels I had to do a double take
Maybe I meant use all LOL
Thanks for not showing my Zantetsuken beats Rage Blunder lol
goat.
I'm in two minds said I'd buy Heihatchi and learn him i still only play Steve. Clive looks cool but will probably just go back to steve. I just can't find a second character
I feel you rn I usually go back to Ling but always messing with other characters Ling allows me to play how I want though
More Clive PP! Lets goooo
awesome video
Got an easier 111 damage move.
Sidestep 1+2 - db1+2 Garuda string/teliport, after they slam the ground do low sweep ice shit, it should wall splat. From there heat to tailflip reset and use that 5 bar move.
I'm at work so can't actually double check my inputs 😅 hope I described it well enough to follow along
For real tho beat phoenix stance you beat the world
I labbed Clive with my friend that has a pass for like 4 hours just to see what i can and cannot punish, but now that people will be watching this video, i gotta lab more.
His face says it all 🤦♂️4:33 that damage is absurd
It's absurd cos of the level 5 move. And that move can't always be accessed
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos. They've been super helpful! Clive isn't so bad! Lol, easy to dance around him!
I love this series even though I don't play Clive 🎉
f1+2 is straight up broken
I played for almost an hour and have played against 1 Clive.
What rank are you? That’s surprising 😮
Yeah Clive players need to be grinding like hell these first few days before people get used to the character, take advantage of that new character hidden hand advantage before people know how to deal with him, makes people’s grind easier. That should be people’s main strategy anytime a new character drops to rank them up fast.
Wouldn't that mean they're getting a rank they don't deserve?
@@LudenTrExactly, but luckily the new character buff is fading quickly, which is good for the people wanting to be technical with it
Double edged sword, yes there's having to deal with the unknown, but you gotta remember most top level players will essentially be smurfing as Clive will be lower ranked, resulting in potentially very difficult matches
this is great way to learn new character thanks for your work
7:37 😂😂😂😂 Freakken 8
Strange, I've played about 60 quick match games, and I haven't fought Clive once lol
I am disappointed at the end of that revenge match because no FANFARE🤬
i13 mid heat engager that’s safe: Clive
i13 mid heat engager that’s launch punishable by everyone: Feng
Feng's has much more tracking though, tbf
@@genzo454I don’t think Feng’s tracks at all, but if it does that doesn’t justify it being -19 and Clive’s not even being jab punishable. Clive is hard to step period.
feng's wall splats and knocks down, has more reach, and is complemented by launching lows
@@NomoregoodnamesD8His snake edge(s)? Clive also has easier/better versions of moves that Bryan has. Clive yet again is safe while Bryan is punishable.
Clive is a menace, he’s cool but he’s yet another character that highlights how dated certain characters are.
Nah fam thats a dumb comparison, they have different properties/range. For exampl Fengs i13 is an excellent whiff punisher while Clives barely moves
not the best time to plug the throw break video :D
is he using a mod to get frames on screen or wha???
... Really? Go check out your game's settings menu.
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rawr
clive is so awesome I believe a lot more people are going to reappreciate this game because of him
You’ll find out that more people will drop from this game a month from now because no one likes a op Marvel character in a Tekken game
@@deanbrooks7297he's really not OP....
@@deanbrooks7297scrub quote of the day
@@deanbrooks7297 he isn't OP. Also, Clive is fucking badass, people like him.
We won't.
We appreciate martial arts.
pee pee Clive 😢
You mess w him bro?
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You like Clive? ..
Dont You PhiDX 😳😳😳
Teach me how to hit tekken god with asuka lol, it's difficult out here
Just play the game
Learn all her moves
You just gotta play Clive and get free wins, every other character will get cooked
🤜✴🤛
Hey Phi, Where do I send my resume? I want to be a paid actor too.
Kinda spammy using the same two moves over and over 😂
Don’t care if his OP or not the character is not fun
MOM HE SAID PEEPEE
Hearing your thought process is so helpful. I don’t play Clive and have no interest but I can definitely apply all of this to characters that I want to play + I’m learning good Clive counter play. Appreciate your videos as always sir!
In terms of DLC Tekken 8 has been such a bust in terms of characters and their tools.. it feels as though within days of a character being released ppl figure out the very few paths for combos and it all becomes fishing for the same routes over and over again. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in every single one of the characters released inclusive of Clive.. I was hoping for something fresh but this isn't it..
F1+2, thats my guide to play Clive. 0 counterplay button.
Pretty much all you need to do and no one can do anything about it lol....
Y'all keep forgetting that although its safe, its -8. Just take your turn back
@@chumchum9899 i take my turn with a 13 frame, man can Parry and kill me. That shit is mad good. But it's just crazy having a homing mid mid hit confirmable heat engaging safe launcher. It's honestly a contender for best move in the game right now in my opinion. It is on par, actually straight up better than T7 release Steve df2, and that button was crazy.
@@MokidekeyCheck out Infil's fighting game glossary because you have *no idea* what hit confirmable means.
Cmon Phi, that intro was totally unnecessary 😂
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I might just be the only person alive who didn't play vs Clive yet. Not complaining tho, i quite enjpy being the ability to move...
Thx for youre content im very new to tekken and i had the motivation to play because of you now i play paul and leroy and because of your tutorials im getting better im in the orange rank now i hope i can get better
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Everything about Clive feels like they cranked the style and flair from Noctus to 11
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After playing a few sets vs Clive's I can with confidence say, that I am sincerely sorry to every top 5 (former top 5) character I shit talked. Clive just does everything they do, except 10 times better. Every character, be it Jin Nina Yoshi Drag or Feng, they all seem so innocent and fair now. It's like my eyes have been opened.
Qhat is clive's greatest weakness? I find him hard to fight as jack 8
His weakest game is probably small Tekken, though it's not something Jack necessarily excels at either.
If he respects his -8 after F1+2 you can use that to force pressure with something like sidestep 2 into mix or perhaps stance pressure of your own.
Other than that his phoenix stance isn't the best for looping pressure, so punish the fast mids while trying to dickjab interrupt can shut down his turns.
The only thing that's plus from Phoenix is the pole vault so if you block anything from it that isn't that push to force your turn back.
Another thing you can have in the back of your head is your command grabs on block and close range. Huge reward if they want to push power crush to get back to their favored range.
Gl jack is sick.
clive is barely more anime than the average tekken character at this point.
CAP
Tekken needs to bring back chickens..