Software update (125_011_030) seems to have fixed the "no start" problem, since getting the update it has not happened again. If it does, then I'll make another video 🤨
I believe that a bike’s “character” is in the rider’s head. Performance and monetary value, on the other hand, is measurable. However, even after fifty years of riding, what gets a bike from the showroom floor to my garage remains a mystery.
of course soul and character are all in one's head but it is still valid it is what it is......yes a mystery why we finally pull the trigger on one as we pass up others which might be better in more ways or smarter ...but its like women sometimes a guy falls for who he falls for even when everyone is yelling "NO! dont do it bro! She is gonna sh!t ALL over you!" What is the saying? "the heart wants what the heart wants"
You can call it "character' or you can call it "emotion" or "love", but you are absolutely right about this. And it weighs heavier than all the rational stuff!
My mate and I test rode one together with a 1250 GSA, whoever was on the 1300 just disappeared with no effort. The 1250 felt like a boat by comparison and I found the seat was too soft and I was bouncing on it. The 1300 had the comfort seat which I found was in the Goldilocks zone, in Australia it's a free option. The automatic ride height puts me back in the market for a GS as I'm on tippy toes on the 1200/1250. My mate has ordered the Tripple Black with everything, I'm going to sell my F900XR and K1300GT and work out which organs to sell and life insurance policies to cash to get one. I had a 1200 air-cooled but it got too tall for me at 60yo, and I dropped it a few times in the driveway and carparks so I traded it on the F900XR. Now at 64, if I get one, it will probably be my last bike, so hopefully it lasts15-20 years.
I would never downgrade from R1200GS, R1250GS to this... R1200GS beats in reliability all that new junk. Regarding performance, most riders cannot handle even 100HP motor and they still want more, silly..
I’m still rocking an 1150GSA that has taken me all over across the continent. I’ve been on the fence of replacing it, but the more 1300 videos I see, the more I think I’m going to keep the 1150. Maybe when the 1300GSA comes out, I’ll try it out.
Me too. And I’m still upgradig it. And when there is an issue, it’s simple to fix. But, other than annual maintenance which I do myself, there hasn’t been any issues!
The problem is the 1300 being design from the ground up all the issues it has were bound to happen, just like any Gen 1 product. For 25 or 26 models there will be some improvements.
Love my 1150GS too... since this season i supplemented it with a 1997 Honda Transalp. Between the two bikes i have everything i want from a bike. Feeling like munching some kilometers on the Autobahn? I'll take the 1150GS. Feeling like taking some backcountry roads, potentialy unpaved, i'll take the Transalp. All together both bikes cost me less than 5000€. Never in my life would i spend something like 25 000€ on a bike to be an early adopter... Without these cheap but good used bikes i could never afford to ride a bike anyways. Like who has 25k to spend just like that? Loan or lease? Never in my life...
"Soul and character" of the motor. And almost always that means vibrations and rattling. Don't know why I would want that. I love my soulless Triumph Tiger 800... Edit: Posted too soon 😉 Very informative video and helpful. Looking forward to the next one with your wife. Not many people cover the topic riding pillion.
I ride a Guzzi and I ain't disagreeing with you, albeit there's a difference between good vibes and bad ones related to throttle position and engine speed.
I read this week that (MCN UK) later this year BMW plan to release a 1300GS with an automatic gearbox as an option. Seemingly it will have no clutch lever but will retain a gearshift.
Akso took the 1300 for a test: Agere with most. Character, meh, still very much a boxer Better sounding engine with less vibes; not as smooth at low revs (
Scott, we really appreciate your honesty in your reviews back here in the states. I traded my 2015 1200GS with 21K miles for the 1300 and you’re absolutely right, the 1300 lacks the soul and character of the 1200GS. Yes, the 1300 is lighter, has the tech gadgetry and the upgraded suspension, but I never heard engine noise when I pushed the 1200GS between 3500 to 5500 ROM. This is my 4th boxer with my original one being a 91 R100RT which had 135K on the clock! You hit the nail on the head, the 1300 lacks the soulful connection between the rider and the boxer motor. You shouldn’t have to start the motor 5X to get it to stay operational, at least not for a bike you paid $31K for. Overall, the 1300 is an incredible bike and it’s a keeper but I sure do miss the hell out of the old 1200GS. Thanks for all that you do to honestly inform your audience! Much appreciated!
The new software does not solve the starting problem, but it does occur less frequently. A corresponding message appears on the display - not visible to the vehicles waiting behind you at the railroad crossing for you to finally drive off. But driving is pure fun!
I never thought I would ever purchase a GS. I traded my 2022 RT for it and absolutely love the bike. I wish BMW would produce a bike with a flat seat and not have it tipped toward the front of the bike. Even with the lever pulled to flatten the seat its still to tipped forward. My USA delivered GS starts 100% perfect. No issues. The number one thing I love about the new 1300 is the mid corner feel at a sporting pace is 10X better than previous RT or GS. Also the buzz from the motor is gone. If I want character I will grab the keys of a Moto Guzzi V85TT. BTW I sold my V85TT when I got the GS. The RT and V85 were replaced with one bike.
@@JUFFAIR101 I think it will be the best RT ever. That front end feel was missing and the new 1300 does not buzz at high speeds like the older 1250. Should be a winner for those looking for a true tourer that can also humiliate lesser riders on sport bikes.
Bmw need to alter the back lights it Needs a dedicated break light that break indicator combo doesn’t work, you can’t see the indicator when breaking and can’t see either in strong sun period
Hi, I got mine in December 2023. I gave up on the lithium battery and got the AGM fitted. No problem ever since. UK bike. No software update available yet for me but I don't think I'll go back to lithium battery. It also cured heated grip memory problem. Can I recommend the Dunlop trailmax mission tyres on this bike. I've just done 1000 miles to the south of France and they've been brilliant on all road conditions.
20,000 miles on the 1250, 1700 on my 1300. For me the real differentiators have been: the adaptive ride height and the new ESA suspension. I keep it on DYNAMIC and am amazed how it can smooth out the road while maintaining complete body control. The biggest negative for me is that the throttle is not as silky smooth at the bottom end as the 1250. It’s not snatchy but much more abrupt.
@@ThiagoRaposo Olha só, tive sim, a nova GS 1.300cc ela é mais agil,menor,mais leve,motor mais potente, mas ainda curto as 1.250cc , preciso me apegar com a mudança que fiz , acho que daqui alguns meses o meu gosto irá mudar de véz....
I wouldn’t change my Honda ATAS for any other bike. Might not be the fastest, might not be the nimblest, but is a great all-rounder and I know it will start each time I want. That’s a peace of mind.
Ifcmy 2018 r1200gs rallye had adaptive suspension, I'll never change it. Is the only negative for me.and I love my rallye looks, is the 1300 better at (almost) everything? Of course, but not that much ! I still think my rallye looks better than thecnew one!
Thanks for the honest review. While the 1300 might be a "little better" than the 1250 in some aspects, I personally think that the new GS has lost its "chunky, powerful & tough" look. It resembles a V-Strom or Honda DCX. The 1250 GSA is so much more aggressive looking.
Now, after "soul character and emotion" we complain about the look? not "Aggressive" enough? Are you joking? How about "the choice of colors and hues does not reflect the true me in a more inclusive understanding and supportive way".
I took a demo ride on one and found the upshifts as clunky as an upshift can be 0/10. Down were pretty good. Not the best ever but nothing I would complain about 7.7/10. I can’t imagine people ride it say anything other than the upshifts are dog shit bad. Maybe it was just my bike. It’s not torquey as I thought it would be. Maybe because it’s so linear🤷🏾♂️. On off throttle was a lil jerky. Handling is certainly good. Really nothing bad to say about the suspension or riding position. Both very comfortable. Overall I wasn’t impressed. Maybe because it’s built up by so many that my expectations were high. Feels like you have to ride it a certain way to enjoy it.
I love my 1150GS... since this season i supplemented it with a 1997 Honda Transalp. Between the two bikes i have everything i want from a bike. Feeling like munching some kilometers on the Autobahn? I'll take the 1150GS. Feeling like taking some backcountry roads, potentialy unpaved, i'll take the Transalp. All together both bikes cost me less than 5000€. Never in my life would i spend something like 25 000€ on a bike to be an early adopter... Without these cheap but good used bikes i could never afford to ride a bike anyways. Like who has 25k to spend just like that? Loan or lease? Never in my life...
Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Your wife´s comments were very interesting. My wife is often riding with me. Besides the extra vibrations on the SAS1290, she liked the 1250GS better....so did i, to be honest.
Great review and I really appreciate your style. However I am kind of struggling to justify the upgrade over the 1250 especially if you are losing the comfort. I would love to hear your thoughts comparing it to the KTM SAS 1290 that you rode recently. Would you swap if you had the chance?
“Lost soul and character” is all I had to hear, Scott. Now looking forward to the 2025 R12GS, reminds me of my earlier GSs. 110 hp or so is plenty for me. I may struggle between that and the new Guzzi Stelvio, but think I’ll stick with the BMW. Thanks for this update
One of your most poignant videos to date Scott answering a lot of concerns and being very candid about the 1300. I have a GSA1250 and took a test ride on the 1300 and agree with everything you say. My opinion on the shift-assist was that there wasn’t ‘much’ of a difference. Ride an XR and that has a proper buttery smooth quickshifter. My bike has 30k on it and my wife has been on the back for most so I’m sure a lot of us out here would love to hear your wife’s opinion. Keep the videos coming. 👍
It's a great bike, but it won't stop me from saying that it feels like they ruined the GS. It looks like they tried to make it cheaper to build and moved toward the model of keeping people from being able to work on it themselves (to go with their business model) under the guise of less weight and more power. The 1250 is an icon. Sometimes you leave things behind when you move forward. .
I cannot remember a bike or car redesign where a percentage of owners of the previous model didn't whine about the changes. They did not ruin the GS. It is not cheaper / lower quality. You can still work on it. 😩
We just got a 1300 Trophy for our rental fleet. Haven’t gotten out on it yet to do the break in miles, but I’m looking forward to it! Great info on what to look out for and what to expect! I’m working on getting this process done on our 2 new 1250 Rally’s. We have a fleet of BMW 750, 850, mostly 1250’s and the one new 1300.
I’ve had mine for several months now and have had absolutely zero problems with mine, starts first time every time. The lithium battery and associated technology has been fitted in other BMWs for several years with no issues so I can’t understand why you’re having the issues you’re having, it seems strange !
Looks like a nice bike. I like my 1200. What I really like about my 1200 is the comfort for long rides. I don't do a lot of them. I do like to do at least 1 long tour every year. Some of it off road. So I mostly just ride around town going for coffee with the option to hit the road and ride the length or breadth of the continent. I've been for Coffee in Tuk, Anchorage, Skagway Jasper, San Francisco, LA, Ect. If its not as comfortable for long rides, maybe the 1300 is not the right bike for me. Oh dropping a $10000 dollar bike in the dirt hurts a lot less than dropping a $20000 dollar bike in the dirt.
Excellent story, Scott! I think you help a lot of 1200 and 1250 owners to make up their mind and that's very useful. Honesty first at Nothing to Prove! Personally I like the looks of the 1250 much more than the 1300. I know, it's subjective and personal, but I love tubular frames; I had the same feeling about the Ducati's when they changed to their new aluframes (Panigale, Multistrada and so on)
My s1000xrs engine noise dominated the bike so I added a sound deadening instead the panels and it’s worked a treat, and I added a bar bag. To quieten the tunnel.
Hey Scott. Great video. I asked you a while ago, have you taken your son for a ride on it? Is it a good bike for father son rides? I have a 9 yr old and he wants to come riding. Second thought/question, I have a 22 s1000r I would be trading up to this. What are your opinions coming from a sports bike to this?
Sure, he's been on it several times, he like it but likes the 1250RT more than this. Going from a sport/touring with a lean towards sport to a ADV/Touring with a lean towards touring. Big change. But if you're ready for the change, then it's a good change but if you're still liking the sporty-ness then probably not a good idea.
I have owned several adventure bikes, Moto Guzzi Stelvio 8V 1200, Honda NC750X DCT, Honda CrossTourer DCT, Ducati Multistrada 950, BMW R1150 GSA SE, BMW R1200 GS LC and currently own an airhead R1200GS and Moto Guzzi V85TT. The one that I disliked most of all was the 2016 BMW R1200 GS liquid cooled triple black: awful seat (while the seat of the R1150 GSA is the best I ever had!) and horrible engine and exhaust sound, that got even worse after fitting an Akrapovic. No more Wasserboxer for me! I like the airhead much better (I also have a 1956 R50 and 1970 R60-5, really great bikes), but still it has to go now as I like the Moto Guzzi V85TT best of all (apart from the wind buffeting). It might get company from the new Stelvio though, which I also like much more than the GS's.
I own a 1250 gs rally version and tried many others (Multistrada, Africa twin, ktm 1290) but no one can reach its level. Absolutely amazing. The only defect is the not retro light handlebar
I also have a 1300 after my 1200 and 1250. Fully agree with your comments. Better all the way but not having the character of the older GS. Without a doubt I would buy it again. No better bike to ride!
Thanks for such a nice and honest review! I don’t know what it is with the GS, the bikes keep getting better and better yet this seems to be negatively correlated with charm and character. I still sigh when I spot an 1150 on the road, even some 1200s like the Rallye… When I realized this, having already watched a ton of reviews about the 1300, I rushed and bought one the last 1250s still up for grabs in March. I had to travel 600 kms to go get it from the only dealer who was still offering them brand new. I figured it was now or never for the 1250 whereas I could still get a 1300 later if I wanted to. When I got the dealer to pick up my new bike, there had a 1300 Trophy available on the showroom floor and I thought this was going to mean trouble as I still could get out of the 1250 and opt for the 1300 instead… Then, when I laid my eyes on the brand new 1250 Rallye that was waiting for me, my heart started pounding. That’s the one I brought back home taking the long way around all the winding roads I could find. It arrived there with almost 1000 kms on the clock and ready for its first inspection. I must say I still look back each time I park it in my garage and walk away.
Interesting - thanks for posting this. I tried the 1300 a few weeks back and came to more or less the same conclusion - it hasn’t really got any better, more sort of moved sideways. Comfort-wise it has definitely got worse - the stock bars were too wide, the angle of my back was a little uncomfortable and the seat wasn’t great. Ride-wise I felt it was very similar to the 1250 (I only used Dynamic mode). The quick shifter/auto-blipper has improved slightly but by more or less any other bike’s standards it’s really poor. And here’s the weirdest thing (and very subjective I know) - I found it less chuckable/forgiving with less of a planted feel. Might be the transition to something different but weird all the same. I’ll give it a pass and try a different brand for a while I think. Thanks again.
I just rented a R1300GS for an 8-day, 1850KM Alpine Moto tour in July. My personal bike at home is a '22 Multistrada V4S, and after those 8 days on the 1300GS, I can say I would not buy the R1300GS over my Multistrada. I encountered 4 issues with my rental 1300GS: First and largest: The electronic suspension broke on the second day on my trip. I had constant error messages to clear on the display, and the suspension was stuck on the lowest and softest setting. It felt awful in corners. The error proudly pronounced that "Onward journey possible." A quick Google search told me the this was a common error on these. Secondly, the Hill control/hill hold (whatever BMW calls it) was WAY too easy to activate by accident. I found my self stalled a half dozen times because of the hill control. Thirdly, although you mention engine noise several times in your review, you're still WAY underselling it. This engine sounds like a diesel truck engine, and I say that coming from a V4 Ducati. Lastly is that seat, oh my god that seat. My right foot kept falling asleep, and my bottom was constantly sore. BMW should be embarrassed about that seat. If you're considering an R1300GS, a comfort seat is a MUST. A few gripes that aren't specific problems: 1) The spinny control ring on the left grip is awkward at best to use. Just give me arrow keys and an OK button. 2) There is no way to adjust radar cruise follow distance on the fly. Very frequently the staggered rider in front of me would cause the 1300GS to apply braking. 3) The shift light is a flashing tachometer animation, and for some reason my bike would flash like crazy at ~6,000 RPM (well below marked redline) going through the switchbacks. 4) The Sport screen is a neat gimmick/feature, but it resets all the performance history to 0 every time you turn off the motorcycle. Things I liked: 1) the vibration through the seat, footpegs, and handlebars was deep into what I would call comfortable. 2) The long swingarm and front heavy nature kept the front wheel on the bike. My V4S is a comparative wheeeeelie machine. 3) Even with the broken and stuck suspension, the bike was very flickable and felt nimble in corners. 4) the electronic windscreen and the protection it offers is very impressive. You can drop it all the way down in hot weather to get clean air in your helmet and chest. All the way up it completely eliminated wind noise around my helmet. 5) The OEM exhaust is much deeper and louder than the OEM exhaust on my MS V4S. It sounded especially nice with a hard surface on your right to bounce the noise back at you.
Just a comment. Test rode a 2024 1300 GS. I have a HD Ultra Limited and was thinking of changing. While the BMW is lighter, faster, and more nimble I found the road noise or engine noise absolutely crazy. Was a nice bike overall but on the highway no match for the HD. Maybe a 1250 Gs might be better.
thank you! Wow you described the way I feel about this bike "to the letter". But to add, I love the tractor sound 😉, it is definitely noisier than my 1250 and it's not as comfortable, perhaps an aftermarket seat may fix this? But the main feature I love, which is consistent to your conclusion is the handling and the weight. On paper it's only 12kg lighter, but it feels much much more than that, and that got me hooked. I always enjoy and appreciate your reviews, thanks again.
Thanks for offering your review. Traded a 2018 RS, very happy with decision. Wanted more upright position and more leg room (64 yrs old ) and comfort after 8h-10hrs in the saddle was not there on the RS. Had a choice, 2023 1250 or the 1300; I’m 5’10” , 31” inseam the 1300 is much more manageable (less weight located lower, and I can flat foot). These are big as I get older and want to keep riding.
Hi Scott, great video. I just bought my 1300, it has software 125-13-030, but the dealer left in the AGM (BMW's temp fix). I'll get them to retrofit the Li at first service, hopefully no problem. Thanks for the tip
I have the triple black 1300, overall a great bike, only real disappointment for me is the sound, as you mentioned. Engine noisy and lost the nice boxer brap. Had a 1200, didn’t like it as too agricultural, sloppy and wallowy with no sporty feel. 1300 has a much sportier feel, it’s slimmer and suspension is soooo good. Does all I need from a bike. Nice review video👍
Need to lose mirrors altogether and go to a rear facing CAMERA that displays on TFT with a button push! OEM mirrors are heavy to deal with vibration AND they are aero noisy and a slight drag on milage etc.....lots of ways to do the view it could be a 50/50 screen minimal guages and rear view or you push a button near one grip momentary full rear view push momentary button on other side and get full instrument view....that is one way they could do it....who else agrees it is is TIME? Mirrors SUCK they give more elbow view than behind you anyway! a rear camera would be totally unobtructed! WHAT is taking so long????
Thanks for the video. This bike is really tempting. I tend to avoid 1st generations of new products. The electrical/software problems you've experienced, not having lit handlebar buttons nor Apple/Android connectivity in a premium bike makes me pause. This review helps a lot. Thanks again!
I don't like the looks, they messed up the button lay-out, the pricing change is far too big to account for the extra standard features you get and apparently the seat is significantly worse, on of that it won't start properly. And the improvements are mostly minor increments. Not only does the engine have no more character, but that new nose looks like something Honda would design (specifically the Crosstourer). The GS always had a rugged, asymmetric look that's totally gone now. I'm keeping my 1250 GSA.
Fantastic review! Love the new look, long, simetric and stylish machine at last. And love the new adventure too. Designers should think more about passengers anyway.
I wouldnt buy a bike I view as ugly and cheap-looking (in areas) so I wont be buying a 13 no matter how well it goes. Plus I am v tall so the outgoing model and its height is better for me. I'm not convinced the 13 is the great step people say.... bit like splitting hairs. And for very big money now.... no thanks
“It will stay ahead the competition?” No! The Ducati multistrada V4S is a much better bike on the road, nimbler, faster, and comfortable. If you don’t care about off-road than that’s the better bike
Great informative, well described bike video. To me, I feel like Triumph has been catching BMW and is pretty much neck and neck now for the two best ADV mid and large segments today. I'll likely buy again after evaluating on the NEXT new model prob 2028 or 2030 just guessing.
Hi, i agree with all you told, but i upgraded the seat height in the front with a set sold by wunderlich. I all so bought their big screen to stay out of the wind. i have a question, i think my 1250 shutted down the indicater lights after i changed lane again, the 1300 stays on to long and doesn't react on lane changing movement.
Remember that sometimes when the bike won't start it's because the owner left the keyfob in the tank storage pouch when stopped, and the key turns itself off after about five minutes. To wake it up you have to move it fair amount or even give it a shake to wake it from its dormant state - its a good thing for both theft and not running your battery flat.
The Arabs say: you can go to the desert with any car, but you will return alone with a Toyota. I think the Japanese are still ahead of BMW. More reliable, lighter, their engine is low, longer wheelbase....
I would have guessed there would not be an aero duffernce for a pillion being so far behind "the bubble" ...really for the pillion the driver is her "bubble" same rider/driver same bubble....no?
Thanks for the review! I'd love to hear more from your wife's perspective, as the main criterion for my next bike purchase is whether my wife would enjoy it. (There are not enough 2-up reviews on YT, generally!)
Yea, I'd like to do more videos with my wife with her on the back and with just her opinion in the video (without me influencing her) just let her say what she feels. The first one should be done editing sometime this coming week 👍👍
Would love you to do a deep comparo between the RT and GS for on-road applications now that you've owned and ridden both and which one you would buy if you could only have one. Thanks for the great content as always!
I second that. Sold my RT (and the house) about 5 years ago when we moved onto our boat full time. Am on the cusp of getting a new bike and would love to see that comparison. I’m about 95% sure it’s going to be the new GS 1300. In triple black of course.
Excellent synopsis of your ownership. Many of your experiences are a mirror of mine . Thoroughly enjoyed this . Roll on the bug fix with the starting 😄👍
Would they replace the assembled battery on the motorcycle (lithium) with an acid battery, would there be problems with starting Why is a company like BMW dragging its feet to fix the problem?
Thanks for yet another great review, Scott! I noticed your praise of the quickshifter, which I think is important (and not impressive on the 1250). Is it now as good as (or better than) the quickshifter on the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro?
Great review!!! You said the seat wasn’t as comfortable and plush as the 1250, what about the Suspension, can you still get the plushness and “Cadillac” feel on the 1300 that you get on the 1250? Or does the Sportiness of the 1300 not allow that plushness of smoothing out the bumps in the road as well as the 1250? Also, how about the Ergonomics, are they all-day comfortable? Thank you for your awesome reviews. 🤠
Thank you! Yea, just put it in Road mode (softest suspension setting) and it's nice like a Cadillac. In fact I just leave mine in Road mode all the time, only when I'm feeling sporty do I move it up to Dynamic and that is rare, after all this is an ADV bike 👍😊
Hi there. Great channel blah blah blah..... i wanted to ask, since you are an RT owner also or to have your opinion, between 1300gs and 1250RT. which one you would choose? Thank you in advance
Yea, it's a little less sensitive on this. The 1250's was a little too sensitive and came on all the time even when I didn't want it. This is a little better and really only comes on when I want it too...so they fixed it.
I have been trying really hard to like this bike. The more I try, the more I dislike it. Test road it three times. Amazing machine, but it has lost its GS character, which is what it’s all about.
Software update (125_011_030) seems to have fixed the "no start" problem, since getting the update it has not happened again. If it does, then I'll make another video 🤨
@@NothingToProve how does one obtain the update please, is it a visit to dealer?
I believe that a bike’s “character” is in the rider’s head. Performance and monetary value, on the other hand, is measurable. However, even after fifty years of riding, what gets a bike from the showroom floor to my garage remains a mystery.
The first sentence is the answer to your mystery in the last sentence.
of course soul and character are all in one's head but it is still valid it is what it is......yes a mystery why we finally pull the trigger on one as we pass up others which might be better in more ways or smarter ...but its like women sometimes a guy falls for who he falls for even when everyone is yelling "NO! dont do it bro! She is gonna sh!t ALL over you!" What is the saying? "the heart wants what the heart wants"
You can call it "character' or you can call it "emotion" or "love", but you are absolutely right about this. And it weighs heavier than all the rational stuff!
Stupidity 🤔😂😂
My mate and I test rode one together with a 1250 GSA, whoever was on the 1300 just disappeared with no effort. The 1250 felt like a boat by comparison and I found the seat was too soft and I was bouncing on it. The 1300 had the comfort seat which I found was in the Goldilocks zone, in Australia it's a free option. The automatic ride height puts me back in the market for a GS as I'm on tippy toes on the 1200/1250. My mate has ordered the Tripple Black with everything, I'm going to sell my F900XR and K1300GT and work out which organs to sell and life insurance policies to cash to get one. I had a 1200 air-cooled but it got too tall for me at 60yo, and I dropped it a few times in the driveway and carparks so I traded it on the F900XR.
Now at 64, if I get one, it will probably be my last bike, so hopefully it lasts15-20 years.
Did you get one ? How is it ?
Keeping my '14 1200GS... It makes me happy, it's paid for, and I have "Nothing to Prove". Love your channel, by the way.
Best bike is paid for bike! Enjoy it
I would never downgrade from R1200GS, R1250GS to this... R1200GS beats in reliability all that new junk. Regarding performance, most riders cannot handle even 100HP motor and they still want more, silly..
I concur
Maybe a little bit better but the bike is so ugly.
I’m still rocking an 1150GSA that has taken me all over across the continent. I’ve been on the fence of replacing it, but the more 1300 videos I see, the more I think I’m going to keep the 1150. Maybe when the 1300GSA comes out, I’ll try it out.
Me too. And I’m still upgradig it. And when there is an issue, it’s simple to fix. But, other than annual maintenance which I do myself, there hasn’t been any issues!
I still have my ‘02 1150R but it’s so much heavier than my ‘05 1200 GS. That redesign shed like 50 lbs!
The problem is the 1300 being design from the ground up all the issues it has were bound to happen, just like any Gen 1 product. For 25 or 26 models there will be some improvements.
Love my 1150GS too... since this season i supplemented it with a 1997 Honda Transalp. Between the two bikes i have everything i want from a bike. Feeling like munching some kilometers on the Autobahn? I'll take the 1150GS. Feeling like taking some backcountry roads, potentialy unpaved, i'll take the Transalp. All together both bikes cost me less than 5000€.
Never in my life would i spend something like 25 000€ on a bike to be an early adopter...
Without these cheap but good used bikes i could never afford to ride a bike anyways. Like who has 25k to spend just like that? Loan or lease? Never in my life...
...still loving my 2021 RT....
"Soul and character" of the motor. And almost always that means vibrations and rattling. Don't know why I would want that. I love my soulless Triumph Tiger 800...
Edit: Posted too soon 😉
Very informative video and helpful. Looking forward to the next one with your wife. Not many people cover the topic riding pillion.
So I my Honda 🙂
I ride a Guzzi and I ain't disagreeing with you, albeit there's a difference between good vibes and bad ones related to throttle position and engine speed.
Thank-you Scott for confirming my decision…….. to keep my ‘22 fully-optioned 1250. Maybe once the 2nd or 3rd gen. has hit the market.
I read this week that (MCN UK) later this year BMW plan to release a 1300GS with an automatic gearbox as an option. Seemingly it will have no clutch lever but will retain a gearshift.
Yep I heard that too.
@@mikedignum1868 just watched a video from BMW launch of this in the new R1300RS saying will be offered in all R models
That sounds like what Honda has done with the e clutch on the 650. I am curious and I have to test ride one.
Is the next one going to ride by itself?
Akso took the 1300 for a test: Agere with most. Character, meh, still very much a boxer
Better sounding engine with less vibes; not as smooth at low revs (
Scott, we really appreciate your honesty in your reviews back here in the states. I traded my 2015 1200GS with 21K miles for the 1300 and you’re absolutely right, the 1300 lacks the soul and character of the 1200GS. Yes, the 1300 is lighter, has the tech gadgetry and the upgraded suspension, but I never heard engine noise when I pushed the 1200GS between 3500 to 5500 ROM. This is my 4th boxer with my original one being a 91 R100RT which had 135K on the clock! You hit the nail on the head, the 1300 lacks the soulful connection between the rider and the boxer motor. You shouldn’t have to start the motor 5X to get it to stay operational, at least not for a bike you paid $31K for. Overall, the 1300 is an incredible bike and it’s a keeper but I sure do miss the hell out of the old 1200GS. Thanks for all that you do to honestly inform your audience! Much appreciated!
STILL haven’t seen anything to take me off my Super Tenere. Just can’t see it.
The new software does not solve the starting problem, but it does occur less frequently. A corresponding message appears on the display - not visible to the vehicles waiting behind you at the railroad crossing for you to finally drive off.
But driving is pure fun!
I never thought I would ever purchase a GS. I traded my 2022 RT for it and absolutely love the bike. I wish BMW would produce a bike with a flat seat and not have it tipped toward the front of the bike. Even with the lever pulled to flatten the seat its still to tipped forward. My USA delivered GS starts 100% perfect. No issues. The number one thing I love about the new 1300 is the mid corner feel at a sporting pace is 10X better than previous RT or GS. Also the buzz from the motor is gone. If I want character I will grab the keys of a Moto Guzzi V85TT. BTW I sold my V85TT when I got the GS. The RT and V85 were replaced with one bike.
What do you think of coming RT1300 ?
@@JUFFAIR101 I think it will be the best RT ever. That front end feel was missing and the new 1300 does not buzz at high speeds like the older 1250. Should be a winner for those looking for a true tourer that can also humiliate lesser riders on sport bikes.
Bmw need to alter the back lights it Needs a dedicated break light that break indicator combo doesn’t work, you can’t see the indicator when breaking and can’t see either in strong sun period
Hi, I got mine in December 2023. I gave up on the lithium battery and got the AGM fitted. No problem ever since. UK bike. No software update available yet for me but I don't think I'll go back to lithium battery. It also cured heated grip memory problem. Can I recommend the Dunlop trailmax mission tyres on this bike. I've just done 1000 miles to the south of France and they've been brilliant on all road conditions.
Wow too bad you had to pull the Li Ion battery. I’ve got one in my 1200 ha.
You didn't like the original tires? What didn't you like about them
I'd done 3500 miles on original road based tyres (tourance next) and was coming on a long trip so swapped to a long lasting 50/50 tyre
@@ValentinoRotti Long lasting yes, but more a 80/20 tire here, state side.
Test drove this as an option to replace my 2022 Ducati Multistrada V4S and I was disappointed. Happily staying with my Ducati therefore.
Disappointed how?
@@Porsche996driver well, maybe underwhelmed is the better word. Lack of refinement and emotion as well.
20,000 miles on the 1250, 1700 on my 1300. For me the real differentiators have been: the adaptive ride height and the new ESA suspension. I keep it on DYNAMIC and am amazed how it can smooth out the road while maintaining complete body control. The biggest negative for me is that the throttle is not as silky smooth at the bottom end as the 1250. It’s not snatchy but much more abrupt.
That’s easily solved with mapping
I'm from Brazil and I have just bought a GS 1.300cc triple black, I am very proud of that.
Nice congrats and greetings to Brazil!
Teve uma 1250 antes? O que tá achando de uma em comparação à outra?
wait till it breaks
@@ThiagoRaposo
Olha só, tive sim, a nova GS 1.300cc ela é mais agil,menor,mais leve,motor mais potente, mas ainda curto as 1.250cc , preciso me apegar com a mudança que fiz , acho que daqui alguns meses o meu gosto irá mudar de véz....
No start electrical nannys. Thats completely unacceptable. Still on a 2010. I don't want to ride an Ipad.
I wouldn’t change my Honda ATAS for any other bike. Might not be the fastest, might not be the nimblest, but is a great all-rounder and I know it will start each time I want. That’s a peace of mind.
Love my 2021 atas!
@@AT2021RockerYep, I’ve owned the Beemer and liked it a lot. But, my (fully farkled) Africa Twin DCT is better in 80% of my performance indicators.
yes and wind buffeting kills you if you are taller then 185cm. No wind protection on shoulders etc etc. I happy that works for you.
I had a 2021 AT. I hated it. So top heavy. I now have 2018 r1200gs. Easiest. Best balanced bike I’ve ever ridden.
Just bought an ATAS 2022 dct. It's not the best at anything, yet it is great on everything. I will never buy another bike unless it's another ATAS
Ifcmy 2018 r1200gs rallye had adaptive suspension, I'll never change it. Is the only negative for me.and I love my rallye looks, is the 1300 better at (almost) everything? Of course, but not that much ! I still think my rallye looks better than thecnew one!
Thanks for the honest review. While the 1300 might be a "little better" than the 1250 in some aspects, I personally think that the new GS has lost its "chunky, powerful & tough" look. It resembles a V-Strom or Honda DCX. The 1250 GSA is so much more aggressive looking.
I too prefer the more agricultural/masculine look of the 1250
Now, after "soul character and emotion" we complain about the look? not "Aggressive" enough? Are you joking? How about "the choice of colors and hues does not reflect the true me in a more inclusive understanding and supportive way".
I took a demo ride on one and found the upshifts as clunky as an upshift can be 0/10. Down were pretty good. Not the best ever but nothing I would complain about 7.7/10. I can’t imagine people ride it say anything other than the upshifts are dog shit bad. Maybe it was just my bike. It’s not torquey as I thought it would be. Maybe because it’s so linear🤷🏾♂️. On off throttle was a lil jerky. Handling is certainly good. Really nothing bad to say about the suspension or riding position. Both very comfortable. Overall I wasn’t impressed. Maybe because it’s built up by so many that my expectations were high. Feels like you have to ride it a certain way to enjoy it.
I think I will keep my 1250because it does look better as well
BMW
Break My Wallet
Bugs ...Must Wait
Ballbreaking Motorcycle Wankstain
It just goes on, and on, and on......unlike their bikes.
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I love my 1150GS... since this season i supplemented it with a 1997 Honda Transalp. Between the two bikes i have everything i want from a bike. Feeling like munching some kilometers on the Autobahn? I'll take the 1150GS. Feeling like taking some backcountry roads, potentialy unpaved, i'll take the Transalp. All together both bikes cost me less than 5000€.
Never in my life would i spend something like 25 000€ on a bike to be an early adopter...
Without these cheap but good used bikes i could never afford to ride a bike anyways. Like who has 25k to spend just like that? Loan or lease? Never in my life...
Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
Your wife´s comments were very interesting. My wife is often riding with me. Besides the extra vibrations on the SAS1290, she liked the 1250GS better....so did i, to be honest.
Never be an early adopter.
Great review and I really appreciate your style. However I am kind of struggling to justify the upgrade over the 1250 especially if you are losing the comfort. I would love to hear your thoughts comparing it to the KTM SAS 1290 that you rode recently. Would you swap if you had the chance?
“Lost soul and character” is all I had to hear, Scott. Now looking forward to the 2025 R12GS, reminds me of my earlier GSs. 110 hp or so is plenty for me. I may struggle between that and the new Guzzi Stelvio, but think I’ll stick with the BMW. Thanks for this update
One of your most poignant videos to date Scott answering a lot of concerns and being very candid about the 1300. I have a GSA1250 and took a test ride on the 1300 and agree with everything you say. My opinion on the shift-assist was that there wasn’t ‘much’ of a difference. Ride an XR and that has a proper buttery smooth quickshifter. My bike has 30k on it and my wife has been on the back for most so I’m sure a lot of us out here would love to hear your wife’s opinion. Keep the videos coming. 👍
It's a great bike, but it won't stop me from saying that it feels like they ruined the GS. It looks like they tried to make it cheaper to build and moved toward the model of keeping people from being able to work on it themselves (to go with their business model) under the guise of less weight and more power. The 1250 is an icon. Sometimes you leave things behind when you move forward. .
Same for the Ducati Monster
@@johannhans678 100% agreed, they killed the Monster many moons back.
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I cannot remember a bike or car redesign where a percentage of owners of the previous model didn't whine about the changes. They did not ruin the GS. It is not cheaper / lower quality. You can still work on it. 😩
So did I missed the answer about trading the GS for the AT ? 😂🤷🏻♂️✊🏻
If I were going back to a GS I would still stay with 1250 considering their used prices here in the UK. You would save around 6k.
Used BMWs are a great value.
We just got a 1300 Trophy for our rental fleet. Haven’t gotten out on it yet to do the break in miles, but I’m looking forward to it! Great info on what to look out for and what to expect! I’m working on getting this process done on our 2 new 1250 Rally’s. We have a fleet of BMW 750, 850, mostly 1250’s and the one new 1300.
Excellent review 👍 I have a 2014 1200gs and love it. Enough power for me and extremely reliable. Very easy to work on.
I’ve had mine for several months now and have had absolutely zero problems with mine, starts first time every time. The lithium battery and associated technology has been fitted in other BMWs for several years with no issues so I can’t understand why you’re having the issues you’re having, it seems strange !
nice review with clear facts and figures ..Two Thumbs up :)
Looks like a nice bike. I like my 1200. What I really like about my 1200 is the comfort for long rides. I don't do a lot of them. I do like to do at least 1 long tour every year. Some of it off road. So I mostly just ride around town going for coffee with the option to hit the road and ride the length or breadth of the continent. I've been for Coffee in Tuk, Anchorage, Skagway Jasper, San Francisco, LA, Ect. If its not as comfortable for long rides, maybe the 1300 is not the right bike for me. Oh dropping a $10000 dollar bike in the dirt hurts a lot less than dropping a $20000 dollar bike in the dirt.
Excellent story, Scott! I think you help a lot of 1200 and 1250 owners to make up their mind and that's very useful. Honesty first at Nothing to Prove! Personally I like the looks of the 1250 much more than the 1300. I know, it's subjective and personal, but I love tubular frames; I had the same feeling about the Ducati's when they changed to their new aluframes (Panigale, Multistrada and so on)
My s1000xrs engine noise dominated the bike so I added a sound deadening instead the panels and it’s worked a treat, and I added a bar bag. To quieten the tunnel.
Chuckles. I ride an 1150. I’ll just see you when I get there, if I don’t decide to go somewhere else.
1150...sigh...road one back in the day...great motor...simple...easy to maintain...keep it, it's a great bike!
Yeah. I chuckled about the videos comments on the 1300’s electricals. Pretty sure one 1150 could power the eastern seaboard of the US. At idle.
Hey Scott. Great video. I asked you a while ago, have you taken your son for a ride on it? Is it a good bike for father son rides? I have a 9 yr old and he wants to come riding. Second thought/question, I have a 22 s1000r I would be trading up to this. What are your opinions coming from a sports bike to this?
Sure, he's been on it several times, he like it but likes the 1250RT more than this. Going from a sport/touring with a lean towards sport to a ADV/Touring with a lean towards touring. Big change. But if you're ready for the change, then it's a good change but if you're still liking the sporty-ness then probably not a good idea.
Yeah my 9yo is also itching to go ha. I just need to find him used gear he’s growing too fast lol.
I have owned several adventure bikes, Moto Guzzi Stelvio 8V 1200, Honda NC750X DCT, Honda CrossTourer DCT, Ducati Multistrada 950, BMW R1150 GSA SE, BMW R1200 GS LC and currently own an airhead R1200GS and Moto Guzzi V85TT. The one that I disliked most of all was the 2016 BMW R1200 GS liquid cooled triple black: awful seat (while the seat of the R1150 GSA is the best I ever had!) and horrible engine and exhaust sound, that got even worse after fitting an Akrapovic. No more Wasserboxer for me! I like the airhead much better (I also have a 1956 R50 and 1970 R60-5, really great bikes), but still it has to go now as I like the Moto Guzzi V85TT best of all (apart from the wind buffeting). It might get company from the new Stelvio though, which I also like much more than the GS's.
Good review, as always. I also liked the separate review on the opinion from the pillion perspective, comparing it with the R1250GS.
I own a 1250 gs rally version and tried many others (Multistrada, Africa twin, ktm 1290) but no one can reach its level. Absolutely amazing. The only defect is the not retro light handlebar
I'm not impressed enough to even consider selling the GSA1250 for the GS1300.
I also have a 1300 after my 1200 and 1250. Fully agree with your comments. Better all the way but not having the character of the older GS. Without a doubt I would buy it again. No better bike to ride!
Thanks for such a nice and honest review! I don’t know what it is with the GS, the bikes keep getting better and better yet this seems to be negatively correlated with charm and character. I still sigh when I spot an 1150 on the road, even some 1200s like the Rallye… When I realized this, having already watched a ton of reviews about the 1300, I rushed and bought one the last 1250s still up for grabs in March. I had to travel 600 kms to go get it from the only dealer who was still offering them brand new. I figured it was now or never for the 1250 whereas I could still get a 1300 later if I wanted to. When I got the dealer to pick up my new bike, there had a 1300 Trophy available on the showroom floor and I thought this was going to mean trouble as I still could get out of the 1250 and opt for the 1300 instead… Then, when I laid my eyes on the brand new 1250 Rallye that was waiting for me, my heart started pounding. That’s the one I brought back home taking the long way around all the winding roads I could find. It arrived there with almost 1000 kms on the clock and ready for its first inspection. I must say I still look back each time I park it in my garage and walk away.
Great 6 month report Scott!
I’d buy one no problem. 1st & probably 2nd batch issues will be sorted.
However, I’d wouldn’t sell the RT just in case😉
Interesting - thanks for posting this. I tried the 1300 a few weeks back and came to more or less the same conclusion - it hasn’t really got any better, more sort of moved sideways. Comfort-wise it has definitely got worse - the stock bars were too wide, the angle of my back was a little uncomfortable and the seat wasn’t great. Ride-wise I felt it was very similar to the 1250 (I only used Dynamic mode). The quick shifter/auto-blipper has improved slightly but by more or less any other bike’s standards it’s really poor. And here’s the weirdest thing (and very subjective I know) - I found it less chuckable/forgiving with less of a planted feel. Might be the transition to something different but weird all the same. I’ll give it a pass and try a different brand for a while I think. Thanks again.
I am keeping my r1250gs. The 1300 is better, but not improved enough.
I just rented a R1300GS for an 8-day, 1850KM Alpine Moto tour in July. My personal bike at home is a '22 Multistrada V4S, and after those 8 days on the 1300GS, I can say I would not buy the R1300GS over my Multistrada. I encountered 4 issues with my rental 1300GS: First and largest: The electronic suspension broke on the second day on my trip. I had constant error messages to clear on the display, and the suspension was stuck on the lowest and softest setting. It felt awful in corners. The error proudly pronounced that "Onward journey possible." A quick Google search told me the this was a common error on these. Secondly, the Hill control/hill hold (whatever BMW calls it) was WAY too easy to activate by accident. I found my self stalled a half dozen times because of the hill control. Thirdly, although you mention engine noise several times in your review, you're still WAY underselling it. This engine sounds like a diesel truck engine, and I say that coming from a V4 Ducati. Lastly is that seat, oh my god that seat. My right foot kept falling asleep, and my bottom was constantly sore. BMW should be embarrassed about that seat. If you're considering an R1300GS, a comfort seat is a MUST.
A few gripes that aren't specific problems: 1) The spinny control ring on the left grip is awkward at best to use. Just give me arrow keys and an OK button. 2) There is no way to adjust radar cruise follow distance on the fly. Very frequently the staggered rider in front of me would cause the 1300GS to apply braking. 3) The shift light is a flashing tachometer animation, and for some reason my bike would flash like crazy at ~6,000 RPM (well below marked redline) going through the switchbacks. 4) The Sport screen is a neat gimmick/feature, but it resets all the performance history to 0 every time you turn off the motorcycle.
Things I liked: 1) the vibration through the seat, footpegs, and handlebars was deep into what I would call comfortable. 2) The long swingarm and front heavy nature kept the front wheel on the bike. My V4S is a comparative wheeeeelie machine. 3) Even with the broken and stuck suspension, the bike was very flickable and felt nimble in corners. 4) the electronic windscreen and the protection it offers is very impressive. You can drop it all the way down in hot weather to get clean air in your helmet and chest. All the way up it completely eliminated wind noise around my helmet. 5) The OEM exhaust is much deeper and louder than the OEM exhaust on my MS V4S. It sounded especially nice with a hard surface on your right to bounce the noise back at you.
Just a comment. Test rode a 2024 1300 GS. I have a HD Ultra Limited and was thinking of changing. While the BMW is lighter, faster, and more nimble I found the road noise or engine noise absolutely crazy. Was a nice bike overall but on the highway no match for the HD. Maybe a 1250 Gs might be better.
BMW R 1300 GS - BENTLEY /// BMW R 1250 GS - ROLLS ROYCE. Never driven these brands but my choice is RR.
thank you! Wow you described the way I feel about this bike "to the letter". But to add, I love the tractor sound 😉, it is definitely noisier than my 1250 and it's not as comfortable, perhaps an aftermarket seat may fix this? But the main feature I love, which is consistent to your conclusion is the handling and the weight. On paper it's only 12kg lighter, but it feels much much more than that, and that got me hooked. I always enjoy and appreciate your reviews, thanks again.
Thanks for offering your review. Traded a 2018 RS, very happy with decision. Wanted more upright position and more leg room (64 yrs old ) and comfort after 8h-10hrs in the saddle was not there on the RS. Had a choice, 2023 1250 or the 1300; I’m 5’10” , 31” inseam the 1300 is much more manageable (less weight located lower, and I can flat foot). These are big as I get older and want to keep riding.
Hi Scott, great video. I just bought my 1300, it has software 125-13-030, but the dealer left in the AGM (BMW's temp fix). I'll get them to retrofit the Li at first service, hopefully no problem. Thanks for the tip
I have the triple black 1300, overall a great bike, only real disappointment for me is the sound, as you mentioned. Engine noisy and lost the nice boxer brap. Had a 1200, didn’t like it as too agricultural, sloppy and wallowy with no sporty feel. 1300 has a much sportier feel, it’s slimmer and suspension is soooo good. Does all I need from a bike. Nice review video👍
Need to lose mirrors altogether and go to a rear facing CAMERA that displays on TFT with a button push! OEM mirrors are heavy to deal with vibration AND they are aero noisy and a slight drag on milage etc.....lots of ways to do the view it could be a 50/50 screen minimal guages and rear view or you push a button near one grip momentary full rear view push momentary button on other side and get full instrument view....that is one way they could do it....who else agrees it is is TIME? Mirrors SUCK they give more elbow view than behind you anyway! a rear camera would be totally unobtructed! WHAT is taking so long????
Thanks for the video. This bike is really tempting. I tend to avoid 1st generations of new products. The electrical/software problems you've experienced, not having lit handlebar buttons nor Apple/Android connectivity in a premium bike makes me pause. This review helps a lot. Thanks again!
Yeah the buttons should be backlit on this new model. Was that just a cost decision or what. LEDs are so much cheaper and compact I don’t get it.
@@Porsche996driver BMW has no excuse. Look at the price they are charging. Those do not even come as an optional. Lower cost bikes have that.
I don't like the looks, they messed up the button lay-out, the pricing change is far too big to account for the extra standard features you get and apparently the seat is significantly worse, on of that it won't start properly. And the improvements are mostly minor increments.
Not only does the engine have no more character, but that new nose looks like something Honda would design (specifically the Crosstourer). The GS always had a rugged, asymmetric look that's totally gone now.
I'm keeping my 1250 GSA.
Fantastic review!
Love the new look, long, simetric and stylish machine at last.
And love the new adventure too.
Designers should think more about passengers anyway.
I wouldnt buy a bike I view as ugly and cheap-looking (in areas) so I wont be buying a 13 no matter how well it goes. Plus I am v tall so the outgoing model and its height is better for me. I'm not convinced the 13 is the great step people say.... bit like splitting hairs. And for very big money now.... no thanks
“It will stay ahead the competition?” No! The Ducati multistrada V4S is a much better bike on the road, nimbler, faster, and comfortable. If you don’t care about off-road than that’s the better bike
I rode the 1300gs and I couldn't wait to get off the bike. My balls were being crushed and I found the sfiting to be hard than my 1250gs
Great informative, well described bike video. To me, I feel like Triumph has been catching BMW and is pretty much neck and neck now for the two best ADV mid and large segments today. I'll likely buy again after evaluating on the NEXT new model prob 2028 or 2030 just guessing.
Hi, i agree with all you told, but i upgraded the seat height in the front with a set sold by wunderlich. I all so bought their big screen to stay out of the wind.
i have a question, i think my 1250 shutted down the indicater lights after i changed lane again, the 1300 stays on to long and doesn't react on lane changing movement.
I really enjoy your videos and content!
Remember that sometimes when the bike won't start it's because the owner left the keyfob in the tank storage pouch when stopped, and the key turns itself off after about five minutes. To wake it up you have to move it fair amount or even give it a shake to wake it from its dormant state - its a good thing for both theft and not running your battery flat.
The Arabs say: you can go to the desert with any car, but you will return alone with a Toyota. I think the Japanese are still ahead of BMW. More reliable, lighter, their engine is low, longer wheelbase....
The most balanced review on a bike. Another plus ➕️ is that it wasn't a sponsored bike ❤
I would have guessed there would not be an aero duffernce for a pillion being so far behind "the bubble" ...really for the pillion the driver is her "bubble" same rider/driver same bubble....no?
Sounds like I’ll keep my Multistrada V4S for a while until BMW nails it. I feel it had missed the mark.
would you trade a 1250 GS for a 1250GS Adventure? would you wait for a r1400gs?
HEY BMW: No service manual = no new bike. Support the Right to Repair!
Continuous cranking will overheat the starter motor. I suspect the software wants you to crank at short intervals only.
I could live with/DO live with occasional starting glitch where I have to take a couple stabs at the button irritating but in the grand scheme? meh
Been out all day today over Derbyshire Dales and haven't seen one 1300, which tells me its gone too expensive
I’ve just been informed my build date is being put back a month - ‘addressing known issues’. Hmm.
Too bad with spring here but it should work out better in the long run!
Thanks for the review! I'd love to hear more from your wife's perspective, as the main criterion for my next bike purchase is whether my wife would enjoy it. (There are not enough 2-up reviews on YT, generally!)
Yea, I'd like to do more videos with my wife with her on the back and with just her opinion in the video (without me influencing her) just let her say what she feels. The first one should be done editing sometime this coming week 👍👍
I have 125_011_030 now, and problem isn’t solved yet ☹️
Would love you to do a deep comparo between the RT and GS for on-road applications now that you've owned and ridden both and which one you would buy if you could only have one. Thanks for the great content as always!
Yea, been thinking about doing a video like this for a while now...thank you for the suggestion!
I second that. Sold my RT (and the house) about 5 years ago when we moved onto our boat full time. Am on the cusp of getting a new bike and would love to see that comparison. I’m about 95% sure it’s going to be the new GS 1300. In triple black of course.
Great review! I’m waiting for the new 1300 GSA with the new ASA, which for me is a must! Ride safe…
GS? Isn't that a GSA (A is for Adventure) with those sausage boxes?
Excellent synopsis of your ownership. Many of your experiences are a mirror of mine . Thoroughly enjoyed this . Roll on the bug fix with the starting 😄👍
I wouldn't take a BMW for free. Take the money and buy two Hondas.
So then which bike has been this most satisfying to own and ride, this new 1300gs or your 1250rt?
RT by far.
You are so clear one the first two points. Thank you! You really have a way with words.
Would they replace the assembled battery on the motorcycle (lithium) with an acid battery, would there be problems with starting Why is a company like BMW dragging its feet to fix the problem?
Yea, my dealer offered to replace mine with a led/acid battery, I said not yet...but I'm getting there quickly :(
Sehr differenzierter und strukturierter Bericht über das erste halbe Jahr mit der neuen GS 1300! Grüße aus Bremen! 😊
Thanks for yet another great review, Scott! I noticed your praise of the quickshifter, which I think is important (and not impressive on the 1250). Is it now as good as (or better than) the quickshifter on the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro?
No, the Tiger's QS is still better than this. 😒
Great review!!! You said the seat wasn’t as comfortable and plush as the 1250, what about the Suspension, can you still get the plushness and “Cadillac” feel on the 1300 that you get on the 1250? Or does the Sportiness of the 1300 not allow that plushness of smoothing out the bumps in the road as well as the 1250?
Also, how about the Ergonomics, are they all-day comfortable?
Thank you for your awesome reviews. 🤠
Thank you!
Yea, just put it in Road mode (softest suspension setting) and it's nice like a Cadillac. In fact I just leave mine in Road mode all the time, only when I'm feeling sporty do I move it up to Dynamic and that is rare, after all this is an ADV bike 👍😊
Hi there. Great channel blah blah blah..... i wanted to ask, since you are an RT owner also or to have your opinion, between 1300gs and 1250RT. which one you would choose?
Thank you in advance
RT
Just go back to the lead/acid battery. Simples
I’ve heard that the hill hold control is better on the new 1300 ..have you tried it ? I hate it on the 1250
Yea, it's a little less sensitive on this. The 1250's was a little too sensitive and came on all the time even when I didn't want it. This is a little better and really only comes on when I want it too...so they fixed it.
I have been trying really hard to like this bike. The more I try, the more I dislike it. Test road it three times. Amazing machine, but it has lost its GS character, which is what it’s all about.
Yep, you nailed it, agreed 👍
Not sure if realized the 1250 pillion seat can also move forward and backwards like the 1300
Yea, covered that back in October of last year's review 😀