Glass fiber reinforced plastics typically means that small glass fibers are mixed into the molten plastic (probably Nylon) and then injection molded into the final shape. The GF gives more strength and rigidity to the plastic. Fiber glass is a weave of glass fiber that is sprayed with a thermosetting resin. The former is much cheaper to make.
It is also the main difference between cheap electric tools that break when dropped and more expensive tools that don't. The price of the injected materials is nearly the same, however, glass, or carbon (a la Puma) , fillers demand more abrasion resistant moulds, that still wear out faster than just plain alloy moulds using plain plastics with basic fillers..
@@user-a5ndj7u6xahgj5wj for me, it just mean the filler is fibre (1mm long or shorter), not mini balls or powder that are cheaper but give mechanically inferior result.
The shoe as stated by Mizuno is intended as racing shoe, forefoot strike. Different brands have many line up shoes with different target runners, running style, pace, etc
Mike, too bad it didn't work for you. I think this is being positioned as a tempo training shoe vs Wave Rebellion Pro. Another YT reviewer in Florida won a HM race in these shoes. It is probably not a shoe to run slow like you said.
2:51 this is actually an enerzy core footage. It’s different than enerzy. The former is rubber based, softier, more resilliant and heavier. The last is a standard EVA foam.
I just done a review on these shoes as well. I really like how they perform. You are spot on with a lot of the information you provided. All in all The Flash is definitely an improvement to the original Rebellion. Great review! 🏁
I still got my Mizuno Wave Rebellion that looks like new even near 200 miles ran so far. I don't think any plated shoe will last this long ,especially on the grip department.
Despite the execution not being there yet, I’m pulling for them to become a better shoe. I know the quality and ingenuity is there having used their products in past( playing baseball in high school and college), trial and error and listening to feedback will be their success in the future
Nice to see some Mizunos on your channel! My last pair of Mizuno the Wave Shadow 4 went kinda below the radar. Endet up as a steetshoe for me because... it was too much of everything. Since that I stepped a away from this actually very great brand.
Wow… that breakthrough stability plate for Mizuno for 2023, sounds like an Adidas Torsion system/Asics Trusstic system which have been out there for a decade. Woohoo. 😏🥴 Hahaha! Good looking shoes though.
while your review not exactly sparked interest in that shoe for me (I prefer softer rides) I love how you compare and pair to other shoes, this made the Superblast review the best one for that shoe on TH-cam for me and I find it really helps better understand the shoes than a plain review of the shoe only!
Great review! 5:25 I immediately thought of the Metaspeed Edge+... Fast forward to 11:44 😮 Talk about paying attention in class LOL Was price point mentioned? I'll rewatch, maybe I missed it. Lastly, I owned a pair of Wave Enigma's a long time ago, but I found them too stiff. Then again, what do I know? I was new to running back then.
Very good looking shoe..unfortunately it's just another Mizuno brick..I really don't understand why everyone wants to put some kind of plastic trash in their midsoles..it adds wt and doesn't let your feet work..throw away the gimmicks and work on a better foam and better upper fit..I'm waiting for someone to make a midsole that has a progressively compression midsole that is soft on top but gradually gets stiffer as you run without bottoming out..the alphafly is the only shoe I've ever raced in that kinda tries to do that..some day we might get a midsole made of a number of slices of foam that are each a different durometer of stiffness..the dual density midsoles don't work for me..I would venture that 4-6 layers and no trash in between might do the job..then maybe we can have shoes that are tuned to each runners wt and bio-mechics..but what would they market to you as the new thing for this years model?? I will allow that Mizuno makes 1 of the most durable shoes out there..even if it rides like a lumber wagon..
I got the original Rebellion for $60 after watching your detailed review on it (which was great btw) - the rocker does feel so aggressive to the point that the shoe only really feels "good" at higher tempo/paces for me. When I push everything seems to align better like you were describing and it's one of my favorite shoes I've ever worn, but when getting warmed up or on recovery days not so much. Definitely an interesting shoe though and enjoy having it in the rotation.
@@wedgythewedges5489 tough call because everyone wears shoes differently. I’d say the ones that have the shot for the most durability within my current collection on that list would be the prime X, the more v4, and the Nimbus 25
You named your experience as confusing, though I bet Mizuno had kofuzing experience with the runner :D Poor joke, but couldn't help myself :) Great review!
Mizuno is stubborn with trying to keep is "wave" alive more than Asics with is "gel". Mizuno definitely needs a novablast kind of model, in wich he gives up some of his identity in exchange for a breath of fresh air.
@@kofuzi your answer sounds quite laconic. Every brand has a business model. But I bet none of them has "stay behind other brands in terms of innovation" as a KPI. Maybe Mizuno will start to get back on track with the Wave Rebellion Pro, even if it is not a shoe for the majority of amateur.
@@AlbertoBerardi 737s have been great planes since forever. The backbone of aviation everywhere. Then came the new-new 737 Max, whose KPI was falling down all the time..... Foams break down rather quickly from repeated deformation. The more they re forced to deform, the quicker, and more severely they break down. Sticking a hard plastic wave in there, which spreads the load out across much more foam that your sharpish heel, distributes the load across much more of the foam. Letting the foam wear more evenly, instead of all wearing down in exactly the places your particular anatomy loads the most; which is exactly where you would NOT want it to break down. Nike's airbags, Asiacs' gel inserts and Saucony's old tennis racket accomplish(ed) sort of the same. Just less comprehensively and well. The Wave has so many degrees of freedom wrt adjusting for support and ride, that Mizuno have no reason to walk away from it. Ditching it, may allow for a bit more initial softness out of the newshoebox; but degradation over time will be much higher, for all but the lightest and smoothest of 1% long distance runners (who may well wear out the outsole before meaningfully breaking down the foam)
@@Halfnakedrunner that's an epic time, I've just purchased a pair off Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3's got them for £138 pounds and they are a fantastic shoes.
I think Mizuno is on the right way. But still need some improvements to beat the other brands in terms of speed and running feellings. In Brazil, we find rebellion from about US$80,00.
@@kofuzi Bulk up, dude! And stop reviewing brand new shoes all the time :) 40-50 added pounds, 300 miles into a shoe's lifetime, and you'll see the light......
This is a shoe for old school racing flat fans (circa 90s early 2000s). Race day and fast session shoe as you state, good review, not for everyone. I love it as have a track background and loved the Hitogami
I’m surprised you compared the flash to the metaspeed edge+ instead of the magic speed 2 since that’s ASICS’ tempo training companion. How do you feel the flash and magic speed compare?
To address your preface: The plate composition and position in the Edge Plus and Rebellion Flash make them feel more similar. But I’m not trying to provide an exhaustive list of shoes that are similar. To address your question: the Flash feels like it has a racing foam in it (even if the plate muddles everything). The Magic Speed does not. It’s a very good foam, but not a racing foam.
@@kofuzi Thanks for the response! I’m currently using the endorphin speed 3 for my workouts, but find I want a firmer, snappier toe off during my shorter intervals and so I’m eyeing the magic speed 2 and flash as possible replacements once I’ve retired my speeds. Do you feel that the better foam in the flash makes it a better workout shoe, or does the magic speed deliver a more cohesive ride?
Softer foams simply break down too fast. At least unless the loads experienced by those soft foams, are spread out over a wider area by plates, "waves" etc.
Glass fiber reinforced plastics typically means that small glass fibers are mixed into the molten plastic (probably Nylon) and then injection molded into the final shape. The GF gives more strength and rigidity to the plastic. Fiber glass is a weave of glass fiber that is sprayed with a thermosetting resin. The former is much cheaper to make.
Ah, thanks! This is what I needed
It is also the main difference between cheap electric tools that break when dropped and more expensive tools that don't. The price of the injected materials is nearly the same, however, glass, or carbon (a la Puma) , fillers demand more abrasion resistant moulds, that still wear out faster than just plain alloy moulds using plain plastics with basic fillers..
@@user-a5ndj7u6xahgj5wj for me, it just mean the filler is fibre (1mm long or shorter), not mini balls or powder that are cheaper but give mechanically inferior result.
I am really enjoying this shoe btw, great review. I am a heavier runner than you, so maybe I feel the rebound a bit more at lower speeds.
Exactly what I tought as a havier runner. How do you use them for what specific runs? Thanks
Looks like Mizuno is really stepping up their lawn mowing shoe game.
Laughed too hard at this
Kofuzi did not get along with Wave Rebellion Flash but another reviewer won a HM race in them. Different shoes for different styles of running.
@@TolunayOrkun Just making a joke. Totally agree. That's why there are so many options out there!
@@briannee9693 sorry, I misunderstood.
The shoe as stated by Mizuno is intended as racing shoe, forefoot strike. Different brands have many line up shoes with different target runners, running style, pace, etc
They certainly look great if nothing else.
Mike, too bad it didn't work for you. I think this is being positioned as a tempo training shoe vs Wave Rebellion Pro. Another YT reviewer in Florida won a HM race in these shoes. It is probably not a shoe to run slow like you said.
2:51 this is actually an enerzy core footage. It’s different than enerzy. The former is rubber based, softier, more resilliant and heavier. The last is a standard EVA foam.
thank you for the clarification
I just done a review on these shoes as well. I really like how they perform. You are spot on with a lot of the information you provided. All in all The Flash is definitely an improvement to the original Rebellion. Great review! 🏁
I still got my Mizuno Wave Rebellion that looks like new even near 200 miles ran so far. I don't think any plated shoe will last this long ,especially on the grip department.
Oh man, I know one thing - it’s beautiful.
I wish they would have sent the Kanji inspired version
Haven’t taken it on the track yet… but it feels promising for some track workouts.
That rebound display at the Mizuno booth. Enerzy next to EVA ...
Cool !!!
You said “plastic member”. Huh huh.
….My humor never matured beyond the 8th grade level.
Despite the execution not being there yet, I’m pulling for them to become a better shoe. I know the quality and ingenuity is there having used their products in past( playing baseball in high school and college), trial and error and listening to feedback will be their success in the future
The outtake at the end....classic Kofuzi!
Nice to see some Mizunos on your channel! My last pair of Mizuno the Wave Shadow 4 went kinda below the radar. Endet up as a steetshoe for me because... it was too much of everything. Since that I stepped a away from this actually very great brand.
Many technical word here haha but anyway great review as always...intrigued to test Mizuno this year
Wow… that breakthrough stability plate for Mizuno for 2023, sounds like an Adidas Torsion system/Asics Trusstic system which have been out there for a decade. Woohoo. 😏🥴 Hahaha! Good looking shoes though.
what always stand up to me is the sport shape like idk they look like a football/volley/handball boot
The Mizuno Wave Rebellion was by far the worst shoe I have ever run in. Amazing they haven't made more updates for this year.
I waiting for your full review about Mizuno wave rider 26, very interesting your opinion! )))
Wow Mizunoooooo....I am very very very like😍
while your review not exactly sparked interest in that shoe for me (I prefer softer rides) I love how you compare and pair to other shoes, this made the Superblast review the best one for that shoe on TH-cam for me and I find it really helps better understand the shoes than a plain review of the shoe only!
I'm glad that is helpful!
Great review! 5:25 I immediately thought of the Metaspeed Edge+... Fast forward to 11:44 😮 Talk about paying attention in class LOL
Was price point mentioned? I'll rewatch, maybe I missed it. Lastly, I owned a pair of Wave Enigma's a long time ago, but I found them too stiff. Then again, what do I know? I was new to running back then.
I forgot to mention price. $160 in the US. Last year’s Wave Rebellion was $180, but its now a significant discount
@@kofuzi thank you sir
@@kofuzido you also have the release date?
Sum-up: confusing shoes
Mizuno and ASICS make shoes with great looks to me. But ASICS seems not making these lookings, sad😢
That’s interesting. I feel the opposite
Very good looking shoe..unfortunately it's just another Mizuno brick..I really don't understand why everyone wants to put some kind of plastic trash in their midsoles..it adds wt and doesn't let your feet work..throw away the gimmicks and work on a better foam and better upper fit..I'm waiting for someone to make a midsole that has a progressively compression midsole that is soft on top but gradually gets stiffer as you run without bottoming out..the alphafly is the only shoe I've ever raced in that kinda tries to do that..some day we might get a midsole made of a number of slices of foam that are each a different durometer of stiffness..the dual density midsoles don't work for me..I would venture that 4-6 layers and no trash in between might do the job..then maybe we can have shoes that are tuned to each runners wt and bio-mechics..but what would they market to you as the new thing for this years model?? I will allow that Mizuno makes 1 of the most durable shoes out there..even if it rides like a lumber wagon..
It didn't suit Kofuzi bur it is hardly a brick. Another reviewer won a HM race in Florida in these.
Random question: how do you style your hair? Any product or comb it back?
I will comb it if I remember
It looks like latest wave aero
how's the fit? I heard that they run large
I got the original Rebellion for $60 after watching your detailed review on it (which was great btw) - the rocker does feel so aggressive to the point that the shoe only really feels "good" at higher tempo/paces for me. When I push everything seems to align better like you were describing and it's one of my favorite shoes I've ever worn, but when getting warmed up or on recovery days not so much. Definitely an interesting shoe though and enjoy having it in the rotation.
glad you're enjoying it!
i got a question, what shoe is softest and comfortable to you in your opinion?
Soft: supercomp SC trainer, Nike invincible, prime X, fresh foam more v4, gel nimbus 25
@@Notnotcam Hey thx for the info! any idea about all those shoes durability? which will last a little longer?
@@wedgythewedges5489 tough call because everyone wears shoes differently. I’d say the ones that have the shot for the most durability within my current collection on that list would be the prime X, the more v4, and the Nimbus 25
You named your experience as confusing, though I bet Mizuno had kofuzing experience with the runner :D Poor joke, but couldn't help myself :) Great review!
Yo, what’s going on!!! I don’t think I have ever seen a Mizuno shoe in Tijuana 🤷🏻♂️
Mizuno is stubborn with trying to keep is "wave" alive more than Asics with is "gel". Mizuno definitely needs a novablast kind of model, in wich he gives up some of his identity in exchange for a breath of fresh air.
They certainly have a business model that they can follow
@@kofuzi your answer sounds quite laconic. Every brand has a business model. But I bet none of them has "stay behind other brands in terms of innovation" as a KPI. Maybe Mizuno will start to get back on track with the Wave Rebellion Pro, even if it is not a shoe for the majority of amateur.
@@AlbertoBerardi1000s of runners swear by their wave. It would be stupid to remove it. Look at the people who loved the nimbus 24 and now hate the 25.
@@AlbertoBerardi 737s have been great planes since forever. The backbone of aviation everywhere. Then came the new-new 737 Max, whose KPI was falling down all the time.....
Foams break down rather quickly from repeated deformation. The more they re forced to deform, the quicker, and more severely they break down. Sticking a hard plastic wave in there, which spreads the load out across much more foam that your sharpish heel, distributes the load across much more of the foam. Letting the foam wear more evenly, instead of all wearing down in exactly the places your particular anatomy loads the most; which is exactly where you would NOT want it to break down.
Nike's airbags, Asiacs' gel inserts and Saucony's old tennis racket accomplish(ed) sort of the same. Just less comprehensively and well. The Wave has so many degrees of freedom wrt adjusting for support and ride, that Mizuno have no reason to walk away from it. Ditching it, may allow for a bit more initial softness out of the newshoebox; but degradation over time will be much higher, for all but the lightest and smoothest of 1% long distance runners (who may well wear out the outsole before meaningfully breaking down the foam)
The looks are pure 🔥
yes I think so
Does anybody know the pricepoint and the release date?
$160. It's already available online in the U.S.
@@kofuzi thanks! I’m in Canada I guess that’s why I didn’t saw it on the website!
These shoes are outstanding did a 1:28 half marathon in them no issue at all.....they are just a outstanding shoe
happy to hear that!
I made HM 1.16 in them, perfect shoe))
@@Halfnakedrunner that's an epic time, I've just purchased a pair off Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 3's got them for £138 pounds and they are a fantastic shoes.
I think Mizuno is on the right way. But still need some improvements to beat the other brands in terms of speed and running feellings. In Brazil, we find rebellion from about US$80,00.
I know there are some people who love Mizuno as it is right now, but personally, I'd love to see some updates
@@kofuzi Bulk up, dude! And stop reviewing brand new shoes all the time :) 40-50 added pounds, 300 miles into a shoe's lifetime, and you'll see the light......
This is a shoe for old school racing flat fans (circa 90s early 2000s). Race day and fast session shoe as you state, good review, not for everyone. I love it as have a track background and loved the Hitogami
I wish they’d bring back the hitogami
cough n spit damn winter
I’m surprised you compared the flash to the metaspeed edge+ instead of the magic speed 2 since that’s ASICS’ tempo training companion. How do you feel the flash and magic speed compare?
To address your preface: The plate composition and position in the Edge Plus and Rebellion Flash make them feel more similar. But I’m not trying to provide an exhaustive list of shoes that are similar.
To address your question: the Flash feels like it has a racing foam in it (even if the plate muddles everything). The Magic Speed does not. It’s a very good foam, but not a racing foam.
@@kofuzi Thanks for the response! I’m currently using the endorphin speed 3 for my workouts, but find I want a firmer, snappier toe off during my shorter intervals and so I’m eyeing the magic speed 2 and flash as possible replacements once I’ve retired my speeds. Do you feel that the better foam in the flash makes it a better workout shoe, or does the magic speed deliver a more cohesive ride?
Mizuno can't resist on making firm shoes, despite what everyone else is doing.
Softer foams simply break down too fast. At least unless the loads experienced by those soft foams, are spread out over a wider area by plates, "waves" etc.
Need colors 🎉🎉🎉
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Wonder if this would work good for xc
I think so, if you’re running on some softer yet flat surfaces
Are these comparable to the Asics Metaracer?
same class, but they feel quite different
with a title that perfect you dont really need a video
the video was just as perfect as the title
Hahaha! This comment and the follow up 🤌