@@whatsinhisdome2583 How many McDoubles can one buy for 1300 dollars? They are actually digestible, if not healthy. Far less painful to throw out of a window, too.
This has got to be a troll. 'It just works' is such an Apple fanboy thing to say:))))))))) They should say 'it doesn't work with anything else and costs 3 times more'
I don't know about macOS these days. But I rarely use more than 12 of my 16 in my gaming rig. But then again, I know how the history works and what bookmarks are so I don't have to keep my tabs open. The only time I use most of the RAM is if I'm editing a video. 8 is still good if you only do desktop stuff like browsing the web or a document or something. But if you do anything, and I mean anything, you want as much RAM as you can afford.
I own an M1 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM. I see the same multitasking limitation that I got with my previous laptop where I had 8GB of RAM. The M1 chip is very good, and it performs very well, until I use too many apps together. Both MacOS and Windows use swap, but on both it will slow down your system when you use too much memory.
I bought a mini PC that has a Ryzen 5660 and 16gb ram for $300 on sale from 400... It screams for the price. Editing is great. With the money I saved I bought two lg ultrawide monitors. Boom.
That is true. But you can still do some decent gaming on Mac. For example, you can play: Dungeon Keeper Gold, Planescape torment, Cuphead, Balders Gate, Timberborn, Papers please, The curse of Monkey Island, sim city 2000 special edition, Frostpunk, Citizen sleeper, Superhot mind control delete, Cultist simulator, DUSK, Warhammer 40k mechanicus, Tyranny gold edition, Rimworld, Battletech, Into the Breach, Reigns her majesty, Darkwood, Sunless Skies, Brigador, Hollow Knight, and Factorio. You can pick up all of those games on GoG. They'll be 100% DRM free. And now that GoG has undergone some overhauls, they are almost as fast at giving out refunds as Steam. So if you don't like a game then it's super easy to refund it. On top of that, m1 and m2 macs work super well with the Dolphin Emulator. So if you can find some good sights to get RoMs from for free then you effectively have the entire game cube library available as well.
@@vincarro5078 but for the average gamer consumer can you really expect them to go into a new environment like linux use this thing that is not really portable that you haft to use like 10 different adapters to use if in the future the mac mini is just as good as that and just works apple may not be known for gaming but their products do just work
Most....MOST people can buy and use a dual core duo PC with a shit ton of ram with 1tb of SSD storage for like 100.00. It will meet the vast majority of their needs.
my first Mac was a base 2012 iMac the first of the slims, upgraded it myself to an 500GB SSD (normal SATA) and 16Gb or RAM and I had it for 10 years without a single hiccup, I needed to get a new one because one of the software from the company I work with caused a lot of problems on the last MacOS supported on that machine, other than that it was a perfectly fine machine
I got the M1 MacBook Air and I love it! It does my retro gaming and handles my web browsing and music streaming without much fuss. I couldn't be happier.
Even for regular, non-gaming tasks, nothing you can say would get me to spend that much money on locked down apple crap that I can't work on or upgrade as needed.
Last year my friend got the m1 with 16gb and 256gb storage for around 600 dollars bought a ssd Bay Dock think and a 1tb ssd for another 200 and honestly if I wasn't a gamer I would have followed suit always been an apple hater but can't deny how good m1 and m2 is
Thank you for admitting what is honest and not shitting on things just cause. Seems like it’s gamers vs creators. Used to hate on apple too but currently things are undeniable. I have a Microsoft surface 3 base and a m1 MacBook Air base and the MacBook can edit Dji Mavic 3 footage while the Surface can’t even play it back. I’m sorry about your games though, I wish we could all have our priorities covered 😢
@Kendal honestly if I needed a computer for any kind of work I do it would be a mac. My hate from apple came from overcharging for products that were not worth it or things other companies did 2 years ago( I'm still a hater on iPhones for this reason) but when it comes to raw performance if you don't need to game then you'd be stupid to not get a m1 or m2 mac
@@pjsw I had the exact same mindset before I got into photography and now that I have a professional camera I rarely need my phone outside of regular documentation photos. Then I started working freelance and it just became obvious to buy the MacBook and I have to say I used to be a Samsung fanboy I would bash apple at every single opportunity and I had to eat my words when I changed over. I realized that all devices now offer incredible potential and it really depends what your use is for it, what product you will determine as the “best” for you. Have a great day Pete!
I got the same thing. A refurbished Apple Mac Mini M1 with 16GB ram and 256GB SSD. It works great. I love it for iMovie, Time Machine backup contents, and the built in screen recording app. 3 things that Windows does not have. Sure I've tried Power Director 365 trial. Was it great? No. It was rather hard to get to certain things and add this and that. Versus iMovie it's as easy as drag and drop what you want in it where you want it to be. Nothing works that easily on windows, nothing.
Apple always made good products, and now they also make the best true budget phones. Im rocking my iphone 8 happily. Still full updates, no issues at all. Fast and easy and now its like 100-150 dollar phone used or less. If they made arm chip on windows laptop Id be interested...my basic 11th gen I5 laptop runs hot and loud.
Mac Minis are awesome. I have a late-2012 i7 Mac Mini that I've maxed out with 16 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD, the original 1 TB HDD, (and the OpenCore Legacy Patcher that runs Ventura just fine), and it's still a very usable computer for many of my daily sitting at my desk sorta tasks. I also have an Asus Zephyrus G15 that I use for my GIS work and for gaming, but ~65% of my daily tasks (and ~95-100% of the daily tasks for most people) would be totally doable on an 11 year old Mac Mini. The fact that I've been able to upgrade mine is not nothing, but these are still fairly robust and long lasting little machines. A brand new Mac Mini bought today may also be a very usable system in 2034.
got an m1 MacBook Air for 799 new at best buy. also got apple care 24 months for free. I have a gaming pc with a 5800x3d and an rtx 3090 if I need something with power. for just portable computing it's awesome.
Dig the coverage and pitching of the mac mini bois. Also something to keep in mind is if something happens and you break your iMac glass or the LCD, the LCD is fused to the glass covering the display panel and runs you ~$1200 to replace. 🤢🤢
I've read based on test reviews there were issues with Mac Mini M1 8gb; its SSDs failing quicker as the system uses SSD for Swap memory when the 8gb is filled/used up. For 16gb it was ok. Then again it depends on one's usage; it should not be a problem for doing small tasks e.g. word processing etc.
wouldn't spend a penny on a computer specificly to designed to prevent users from repairing and upgrading it, once anything goes wrong with it or it's too slow to keep up, it is done you might as well throw the entire system out
Unfortunately, this with irreparable computers is the norm - like the phones. Like the phones I don't buy the flagship item. With the phones I'll get one with a huge battery and ruggedized before I'd ever get an iPhone. An Android tablet for a C-note beats $500 for the Apple. I have 2 of the mini style computers, both for ~$175 each with Linux. Chinese brand with no MS-Tax or Apple Tax. I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly but that's the sucky reality.
@@Justsomebodyelse235 Um, well I don't want to pay a fckton of more money to actually get good specs. Your 256 gigs in the 600$ model wont get you that far. And 8gb of ram is, well gonna run Minecraft. But it's advertised as a work machine. You can definitely get a Laptop with at least the same specs, probably taking up less space, and without Mac OS which is an argument in itself. I bought a PC setup including Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor and Headset about 3 years ago with a tb of storage as HDD plus a boot SDD of 500gb for about the price of the 1,3k$ model. Yeah, yeah, inflation and all that, but comparing to what you could already get when this launched, it's not actually that cheap. Alright, yeah, but definitely not a deal for most
I'm not an Apple fan (used to be, had iPhone, iPad amd MacBook Pro). Recently got an iPad mini for travel photo editing and I'm so tempted to get a Mac mini for video editing
The M1 & M2 look a lot better than past chips, but almost all intel macs and some PPC mac near the end were so prone to overheating- they only lasted 3 years
Im saving up for a base model definitively! 😁👍🏻 been using am M1 air since the pandemic and its been amazing, i share it with my wife but she’s more mobile so i can get the mini 😊
That's the only reason why I am not buying any MacBook and I preferred another (kinda overpriced but greatly made) machine called Surface Laptop Studio. I own a Mac Mini with M1 chip, bought it to try MacOS well and get disappointed by it. Mostly I cannot stand its window management, it's just miles behind, and Stage Manager makes things more confusing and solves nothing where it is bad.
@@piereligiodisante that’s why I have both.. I LOVE my MacBook for schoolwork and BSing but my windows computer handles everything else. I could live without the MacBook but couldn’t live without my windows computer.. I just like having both pending on what I’m doing
@@dakotamurphy225 Yeah I'm quite in the same situation. I own a desktop windows PC (which also kinda works as a server), the SLS as I already said, and the Mac Mini. Sometimes the Mac Mini comes in handy, but I own it mostly because I want to develop some ideas also for iOS, and I want to have what I need for doing that. I'll start soon lol
I have to respect the power the machine has but at the same time I will never use one. I just cannot get along with MacOS. I have to use it for my work Laptop and I feel like I have to fight it on certain things.
I bought an M2 mac mini. It's a great computer. I do feel like something that needs to be said is that it has Wi-fi connection problem. It's something that is known. Other then that it is a awesome computer. I love it. Just figured it was something that needed to be said
With the video game industry being bigger than the movie industry and music industry combined, it sucks that apple just takes its own self right out the gaming scene. Also Austin had solid valid points the whole video lol. Whats up with that?
I did buy one a couple days ago. Base model M2 mac mini. I already have a custom built intel 13th gen with a 2060 thats my primary pc. But I wanted a mac becuase Im tired of paying $55/month for adobe. Now I switched over to final cut and photos app
I'm legit looking at a Mac mini just for music creation, (maybe some photo editing) because for some dumb reason every music software tends to work better on Mac or is only available on Mac... And with how small it is I can just slap it onto my station easy ... I'm wanting to grab one as a secondary computer not my main rig
My m1 imac with a 27” ultrawide screen was a gamechanger for school, coupled with my sideuse and portable macbook and touchscreen lenovo laptops. On an L desk its quite the setup
It is very easy to argue against mac mini. Very, very small minority are "creators" and very few need the power of M1/M2 or even i5/i7 for their daily tasks of cloudware, web browsing and some Excel/Word. More ram and/or storage is way more important than more cpu power for 95% of people. And then comes GPU power before cpu as any modern mid-tier cpu is plenty fast.
If I REALLY needed a Mac, I'd go with that Mac Mini, preferably the Intel/AMD style. (dual boot MacOS/Linux) It's at least less than $1,000 and it'll be a desktop. Just add a TV, keyboard and mouse. For a gaming desktop Linux or a Mac is no good. Some people spend a LOT of money putting one together that'll sound like a B-29 you're flying to Hiroshima. Since things like the Mac Mini is nearly irreparable, I go with an El Cheapo like with Android Tablets or halfway nice (~$300) phones and mini style computers with Linux. All of those style items are nearly irreparable (and unupgradeable) I won't waste money on iPads, flagship phones (Apple or Android).
The other day I was going to buy the Mac Mini but when I tried to do something using my mom's m1 air I kept on running into trouble. I don't like how Mac doesn't give you direct access to the program files without having to jump through hoops. That turned me off and I ended up going with a gaming laptop for about the same price.
I wish the storage was user replaceable on these. I like older Macs and have several (including a Performa 6220CD) and it always seems to be the storage that gives up before anything else. I know this Mac Mini won't be supported forever, but it would be nice to have the option to keep it in service for indefinate years past its EoL/EoS, especially since it seems the amount of power you actually need for a computer dosen't seem to be too much right now. I could run medium/high settings on games with a i7 3770K even now, and that would run TH-cam and other media focused websites perfectly fine, and probably will until AV1 is fully integrated or until a new instruction is needed for a system or game (like the next SSE or something). As the M2 is worlds faster than third gen i7's, it could be feasible that an M2 would be good for general use for at least 15 years. I wonder if the SSD's will last that long without failures.
This Mac mini, small form factor keyboard & mouse AND a portable screen? It's the ultimate travelers setup for me at least. I travel with my xbox and I need a good screen to game on. The screen at hotel are shit normally so having a multipurpose screen and MacOS on demand? Yea sign me the fuck up.
The Mac Studio is just a modern take on the failed Apple PowerMac G4 Cube (without included external speakers) and is thereby a machine that should not exist and should thus be discontinued and replaced by an M2 Max Mac Mini and M2 Ultra Mac Mini (both in Space Grey to differentiate itself from the M2/M2 Pro models)... The M2 Mac Mini is good but I'm not buying one anytime soon (macOS sucks and Asahi Linux isn't ready for Apple M-series SoCs just yet)...
Keep in mind the memory is SHARED between the CPU and GPU... so while "8gb on a Mac" may be better than 8gb on a Windows PC, you are also fighting for that 8gb for your graphics as well... where entry-level GPUs on a Windows machine may have a dedicated 8gb of their own...
@@lilposs98 Any machine with a $100 RX 580 equiv or a lower-end GeForce x050. Take the hostility down a notch though, MM. We're all on the same side here.
ok... I'll explain why I won't buy the mac mini. I give them props for keeping the type A ports and some useful port on it, and the core audio drive. That's it. maybe a lot of producers (music) will find it weird, but I choose windows, because you have a ton of choices to fit your needs long term. I need the upgradability option, and with a windows machine, I can get it depending of the brand, and even microsoft's laptops! gives me the ports and enough power to get the work done. I also do 3d modeling and video editing. On the top of all that, I'm a gamer... you already know my answer. I did started with macbooks, but now... the decisions apple is been making since 2016, I can't go back even if they made the most power PC in the world.
For $600 you can't get better than the mini for an average user home desktop, granted you need a display but $600 for its performance beats laptops any day (btw I'm against Apple) but this is a steal
Sorry Apple needs to calm down on ram and ssd prices before I ever consider buying a Mac. They are NEVER going to win me over from Windows by charging the price of a black market kidney just to get basic levels of performance for 2023.
@@agrpductions I already have it, the i5 13600k with 32gb ddr4 and rtx3050 512gb nvme ssd, you can cheap out and get a i5 13400 and it still smashes the m2 in performance.
@@agrpductionsI bought one 3 years ago. 9400f sure is inferior (as it is to any 3 year newer cou) but 1660s dominates in gpu department and double the memory (16gb/512gb) is fully upgradeable. Mini-itx tower also takes very little desk space.
I bet it will still have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi issues.. I had the M1 mac mini and returned it because it would never stay connected to anything. wifi, my logitech keyboards & mice, even my airpods max. (not an apple hater, just a mac mini hater lol. I have a macbook pro 14inch 2021.)
I am the only one who do not find the performance of the new m1/m2 anything special? Sure, it's better than any mobile cpu, but nowhere near a 200W desktop.
FYI these mac minis are powerhouses for Logic and Pro Tools! (Speaking as an audio engineer) haha feel like they never talk about the audio production side of content creation.
Because i like to play games, and my productivity software dont run on mac, its pretty clear mac is not for me, but yeah i agree mac mini is really good value.
we're really saying apple products are worth the money now? jeez, what a world. the whole price per performance argument is thrown out of the window when you say you have to pay $200 for an extra 8gb ram because the system isn't upgradable
Apple isn't the only one making small desktop computers anymore. There are alternatives in the mini PC space from Minisforum, Beelink, ASRock, and others, and they usually have easily upgradeable RAM and SSD. The base Mini does make sense for an entry level computer - particularly for those who are invested in the Apple ecosystem - and it's more power efficient than competitors, but it's definitely not the only option in the ultra small form-factor space.
No. m2 igpu is the most powerful in the market right now. Intel has crappy integrated graphics and amd keep their old rdna tech in their low power chips for small mini pc’s.
Heres the thing most people who are just starting in content creation spend around 900 dollars on their pc which can game and can edit video(though slower) having a mac mini really makes 0 sense unless you have the funds to burn. Have always said the apple ecosystem is great for work and productivity but when it comes to actual entertainment they are the most boring company ever.
So last year my family started a trucking company, and we have to file and store paperwork. Would u recommend this or something else that is cheaper. We tend to file fuel and tax reports every 3 months and use pretty much need a computer for office use.
regular people dont edit videos!!!!! Regular people dont need many ports!!!! A Pi comes with 8gb of ram and can stream 4k video, and do word docs and internet browsing. Anyone know the cost of a Pi?????
I'd love to see, someone edit a 30 min 3 camera shoot, 8K video, using this thing. Yes, it can be done, but it's going to take a very long time... To say, this thing will do, what us PC idiots do, with our $7,000 workstations, is beyond ridiculous. Yes, I'd say if you're a small TH-cam creator, using a Go-Pro, or your phone, to shoot content, this would work OK, but I'll bet the render times on a 20~30 min 4K video, are going to be an afternoon wait. No, I'm not stupid, and no, I'm not going to buy a Mac... The only Apple product I own, is an iPhone, because Apple did the phablet right. As for using Apple for a workstation? Nope...
Mac mini is so powerful. Most people dont need power to watch youtube and do a word doc. This is a waste of money. you can get a 200.00 PC with a SSD to meet the needs of this Mac Mini. It cant game. Other than the other things i stated gaming is the only other thing regular people will be doing.
Someone who relevant enough to make petitions and strikes. Let's make phones great again. Let them bring back sd card expandible storage in all phones. Not no mid range. Not no budget. We want flagships with micro SD card slots. LETS MAKE SMARTPHONES GREAT AGAIN! (What do we want!) SD CARD SLOT!!!
If they would just let people add RAM and storage...but that goes for everyone who does this sort of thing, not just Apple. Let us get the base models and then expand on it when we need to.
It's impossible on Apple Silicon. Those chips have RAM embedded. Now they've got a good excuse for making it not upgradeable at least. Though, they also solder SSDs which are on a different place on the motherboard, and those things wear out too... Killing them before their time
TBH, RAM is not just a RAM stick - it's unified memory capable of being used by the CPU, GPU, NPU, and any of the IP blocks on the SoC. At the minimum on the M2 it's 200GB/sec memory up through 800GB/sec on the Max. Typical RAM on a PC can only be accessed at a maximum rate of about 50GB/sec.
I have a beelink mini pc and it’s price is around 600-800 bucks for a noiseless, 12gb ram raizen, amd is waaay better than this Mac mini. I wouldn’t buy the Mac mini. I actually have 2 mini PCs by 2 different companies and they both are better than the Mac mini
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my personal favorite part about the mac mini is that you can hold it like hambubger
beesechurger, even
But does it taste like one?, today on fact or cap we are-
@@whatsinhisdome2583 How many McDoubles can one buy for 1300 dollars? They are actually digestible, if not healthy. Far less painful to throw out of a window, too.
@@claycassin8437 in my state mcdoubles are 1.89 meaning you can buy close to 688 mcdoubles with $1300
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I've been using an M1 Mac mini since it came out daily at my work. I love it. It really doesn't have much to complain about...just works.
This has got to be a troll. 'It just works' is such an Apple fanboy thing to say:))))))))) They should say 'it doesn't work with anything else and costs 3 times more'
I wanna see an actual test with real life tasks using 8 and 16 gigs of memory. Show us what those extra 8 gigs actually gets us
Just using a browser with many tabs can eat a lot of memory. Many people won't use Safari as their main browser.
same
@@zeppelin0110 Or you know, close tabs when you're done? And turn on tab sleeping in the settings.
I don't know about macOS these days. But I rarely use more than 12 of my 16 in my gaming rig. But then again, I know how the history works and what bookmarks are so I don't have to keep my tabs open. The only time I use most of the RAM is if I'm editing a video.
8 is still good if you only do desktop stuff like browsing the web or a document or something. But if you do anything, and I mean anything, you want as much RAM as you can afford.
@@zeppelin0110 Unified memory is a thing.
I own an M1 Mac mini with 8GB of RAM. I see the same multitasking limitation that I got with my previous laptop where I had 8GB of RAM. The M1 chip is very good, and it performs very well, until I use too many apps together. Both MacOS and Windows use swap, but on both it will slow down your system when you use too much memory.
I bought a mini PC that has a Ryzen 5660 and 16gb ram for $300 on sale from 400... It screams for the price. Editing is great. With the money I saved I bought two lg ultrawide monitors. Boom.
oh man, just imagine if we could really game on mac, at 600$ this would be a game changer
You can buy a Steam Deck and use Linux lol
That is true. But you can still do some decent gaming on Mac. For example, you can play: Dungeon Keeper Gold, Planescape torment, Cuphead, Balders Gate, Timberborn, Papers please, The curse of Monkey Island, sim city 2000 special edition, Frostpunk, Citizen sleeper, Superhot mind control delete, Cultist simulator, DUSK, Warhammer 40k mechanicus, Tyranny gold edition, Rimworld, Battletech, Into the Breach, Reigns her majesty, Darkwood, Sunless Skies, Brigador, Hollow Knight, and Factorio.
You can pick up all of those games on GoG. They'll be 100% DRM free. And now that GoG has undergone some overhauls, they are almost as fast at giving out refunds as Steam. So if you don't like a game then it's super easy to refund it.
On top of that, m1 and m2 macs work super well with the Dolphin Emulator. So if you can find some good sights to get RoMs from for free then you effectively have the entire game cube library available as well.
@@vincarro5078 but for the average gamer consumer can you really expect them to go into a new environment like linux use this thing that is not really portable that you haft to use like 10 different adapters to use if in the future the mac mini is just as good as that and just works apple may not be known for gaming but their products do just work
@@charlie_sketch I heard GTA1 might be ported to Mac soon:))) So excited.
Most....MOST people can buy and use a dual core duo PC with a shit ton of ram with 1tb of SSD storage for like 100.00. It will meet the vast majority of their needs.
Got a used mint condition m1 Mac mini with 16GB RAM for $485. Feel like that’s a solid deal
my first Mac was a base 2012 iMac the first of the slims, upgraded it myself to an 500GB SSD (normal SATA) and 16Gb or RAM and I had it for 10 years without a single hiccup, I needed to get a new one because one of the software from the company I work with caused a lot of problems on the last MacOS supported on that machine, other than that it was a perfectly fine machine
I got the M1 MacBook Air and I love it!
It does my retro gaming and handles my web browsing and music streaming without much fuss.
I couldn't be happier.
Even for regular, non-gaming tasks, nothing you can say would get me to spend that much money on locked down apple crap that I can't work on or upgrade as needed.
Last year my friend got the m1 with 16gb and 256gb storage for around 600 dollars bought a ssd Bay Dock think and a 1tb ssd for another 200 and honestly if I wasn't a gamer I would have followed suit always been an apple hater but can't deny how good m1 and m2 is
Thank you for admitting what is honest and not shitting on things just cause. Seems like it’s gamers vs creators. Used to hate on apple too but currently things are undeniable. I have a Microsoft surface 3 base and a m1 MacBook Air base and the MacBook can edit Dji Mavic 3 footage while the Surface can’t even play it back. I’m sorry about your games though, I wish we could all have our priorities covered 😢
@Kendal honestly if I needed a computer for any kind of work I do it would be a mac. My hate from apple came from overcharging for products that were not worth it or things other companies did 2 years ago( I'm still a hater on iPhones for this reason) but when it comes to raw performance if you don't need to game then you'd be stupid to not get a m1 or m2 mac
@@pjsw I had the exact same mindset before I got into photography and now that I have a professional camera I rarely need my phone outside of regular documentation photos. Then I started working freelance and it just became obvious to buy the MacBook and I have to say I used to be a Samsung fanboy I would bash apple at every single opportunity and I had to eat my words when I changed over. I realized that all devices now offer incredible potential and it really depends what your use is for it, what product you will determine as the “best” for you. Have a great day Pete!
I got the same thing. A refurbished Apple Mac Mini M1 with 16GB ram and 256GB SSD. It works great. I love it for iMovie, Time Machine backup contents, and the built in screen recording app. 3 things that Windows does not have. Sure I've tried Power Director 365 trial. Was it great? No. It was rather hard to get to certain things and add this and that. Versus iMovie it's as easy as drag and drop what you want in it where you want it to be. Nothing works that easily on windows, nothing.
Apple always made good products, and now they also make the best true budget phones. Im rocking my iphone 8 happily. Still full updates, no issues at all. Fast and easy and now its like 100-150 dollar phone used or less. If they made arm chip on windows laptop Id be interested...my basic 11th gen I5 laptop runs hot and loud.
Mac Minis are awesome. I have a late-2012 i7 Mac Mini that I've maxed out with 16 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD, the original 1 TB HDD, (and the OpenCore Legacy Patcher that runs Ventura just fine), and it's still a very usable computer for many of my daily sitting at my desk sorta tasks. I also have an Asus Zephyrus G15 that I use for my GIS work and for gaming, but ~65% of my daily tasks (and ~95-100% of the daily tasks for most people) would be totally doable on an 11 year old Mac Mini. The fact that I've been able to upgrade mine is not nothing, but these are still fairly robust and long lasting little machines. A brand new Mac Mini bought today may also be a very usable system in 2034.
got an m1 MacBook Air for 799 new at best buy. also got apple care 24 months for free. I have a gaming pc with a 5800x3d and an rtx 3090 if I need something with power. for just portable computing it's awesome.
Dig the coverage and pitching of the mac mini bois. Also something to keep in mind is if something happens and you break your iMac glass or the LCD, the LCD is fused to the glass covering the display panel and runs you ~$1200 to replace. 🤢🤢
I've read based on test reviews there were issues with Mac Mini M1 8gb; its SSDs failing quicker as the system uses SSD for Swap memory when the 8gb is filled/used up. For 16gb it was ok. Then again it depends on one's usage; it should not be a problem for doing small tasks e.g. word processing etc.
If I had the money for it, I would definitely get one. Broke student life means that I get to enjoy my 2017 macbook air for a little while longer.
wouldn't spend a penny on a computer specificly to designed to prevent users from repairing and upgrading it, once anything goes wrong with it or it's too slow to keep up, it is done you might as well throw the entire system out
Unfortunately, this with irreparable computers is the norm - like the phones. Like the phones I don't buy the flagship item. With the phones I'll get one with a huge battery and ruggedized before I'd ever get an iPhone. An Android tablet for a C-note beats $500 for the Apple. I have 2 of the mini style computers, both for ~$175 each with Linux. Chinese brand with no MS-Tax or Apple Tax. I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly but that's the sucky reality.
Yeah but it's still an Apple Mac... For customizability, good prizes, compatibility, future proofing and openness, Apple is never gonna be your guy
It’s literally $600. Do you freaking want it free?
@@Justsomebodyelse235 Um, well I don't want to pay a fckton of more money to actually get good specs. Your 256 gigs in the 600$ model wont get you that far. And 8gb of ram is, well gonna run Minecraft. But it's advertised as a work machine. You can definitely get a Laptop with at least the same specs, probably taking up less space, and without Mac OS which is an argument in itself. I bought a PC setup including Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor and Headset about 3 years ago with a tb of storage as HDD plus a boot SDD of 500gb for about the price of the 1,3k$ model. Yeah, yeah, inflation and all that, but comparing to what you could already get when this launched, it's not actually that cheap. Alright, yeah, but definitely not a deal for most
I'm not an Apple fan (used to be, had iPhone, iPad amd MacBook Pro). Recently got an iPad mini for travel photo editing and I'm so tempted to get a Mac mini for video editing
Canada. 16Gig/256GB is $1400 shipped with 3 years of Apple Care. Start price in Canada is $799. Seems less of a good deal here.
Does is still have the keyboard connection problem. I have a MacBook air m1. Was thinking of a good computer just for home. I love my MacBook air.
The M1 & M2 look a lot better than past chips, but almost all intel macs and some PPC mac near the end were so prone to overheating- they only lasted 3 years
Well how else do they get you to keep buying new overpriced products from them if they don't design them to burn themselves out over time.
Why dose every tech TH-camr say the Mac mini is great for video editing for only 600 dollars while holding and using the 1300 version.
0:00 If you held that Mac Mini up to my ear, it'll sound like someone is shouting "Poor Person!" every second to me!
I have the M1 Mac Mini, base model (8GB RAM, 256GB storage) and that's been amazing for editing video.
You ever run into lag or the ball of death?
yeah no, ill stick to my budget pc that does the same things, same price, and can be upgrades any way i see fit
I want them to prove it, and switch for like a week and say if it was a real alternative
Meanwhile outside of USA it's like 750$
In countries that make 10x less... yeah... pass.
Im saving up for a base model definitively! 😁👍🏻 been using am M1 air since the pandemic and its been amazing, i share it with my wife but she’s more mobile so i can get the mini 😊
Literally just bought a mac studio with the max a few months ago and they immediately drop the new shit, I guess that's always the case
I'm a Jerry, and I don't have a PC since I don't have space for one with the junk in my place.
It has one fatal flaw- It runs MacOS. Both Windows and Linux can run circles around it, even on older hardware.
That's the only reason why I am not buying any MacBook and I preferred another (kinda overpriced but greatly made) machine called Surface Laptop Studio. I own a Mac Mini with M1 chip, bought it to try MacOS well and get disappointed by it. Mostly I cannot stand its window management, it's just miles behind, and Stage Manager makes things more confusing and solves nothing where it is bad.
@@piereligiodisante that’s why I have both.. I LOVE my MacBook for schoolwork and BSing but my windows computer handles everything else. I could live without the MacBook but couldn’t live without my windows computer.. I just like having both pending on what I’m doing
@@dakotamurphy225 Yeah I'm quite in the same situation. I own a desktop windows PC (which also kinda works as a server), the SLS as I already said, and the Mac Mini. Sometimes the Mac Mini comes in handy, but I own it mostly because I want to develop some ideas also for iOS, and I want to have what I need for doing that. I'll start soon lol
Would like to see you guys do a comparison geekom vs the Mac mini
I have to respect the power the machine has but at the same time I will never use one. I just cannot get along with MacOS. I have to use it for my work Laptop and I feel like I have to fight it on certain things.
Me eyeing my custom rig that will be moved into a Corsair 7000D full-size case as Matt talks about PC sizes: Fair, I'll give you that
I bought an M2 mac mini. It's a great computer. I do feel like something that needs to be said is that it has Wi-fi connection problem. It's something that is known. Other then that it is a awesome computer. I love it. Just figured it was something that needed to be said
With the video game industry being bigger than the movie industry and music industry combined, it sucks that apple just takes its own self right out the gaming scene. Also Austin had solid valid points the whole video lol. Whats up with that?
I did buy one a couple days ago. Base model M2 mac mini. I already have a custom built intel 13th gen with a 2060 thats my primary pc. But I wanted a mac becuase Im tired of paying $55/month for adobe. Now I switched over to final cut and photos app
I'm legit looking at a Mac mini just for music creation, (maybe some photo editing) because for some dumb reason every music software tends to work better on Mac or is only available on Mac... And with how small it is I can just slap it onto my station easy ... I'm wanting to grab one as a secondary computer not my main rig
My m1 imac with a 27” ultrawide screen was a gamechanger for school, coupled with my sideuse and portable macbook and touchscreen lenovo laptops. On an L desk its quite the setup
Love the team n their vids!!!! Thanks for always keeping them interesting always learning something new with y'all!
It is very easy to argue against mac mini.
Very, very small minority are "creators" and very few need the power of M1/M2 or even i5/i7 for their daily tasks of cloudware, web browsing and some Excel/Word. More ram and/or storage is way more important than more cpu power for 95% of people. And then comes GPU power before cpu as any modern mid-tier cpu is plenty fast.
If I REALLY needed a Mac, I'd go with that Mac Mini, preferably the Intel/AMD style. (dual boot MacOS/Linux) It's at least less than $1,000 and it'll be a desktop. Just add a TV, keyboard and mouse. For a gaming desktop Linux or a Mac is no good. Some people spend a LOT of money putting one together that'll sound like a B-29 you're flying to Hiroshima.
Since things like the Mac Mini is nearly irreparable, I go with an El Cheapo like with Android Tablets or halfway nice (~$300) phones and mini style computers with Linux. All of those style items are nearly irreparable (and unupgradeable) I won't waste money on iPads, flagship phones (Apple or Android).
Who show us something that would be comparable to this as far as not being a Mac or can someone out there tell me
Understandable to solder ram onto the board .... really !?
The other day I was going to buy the Mac Mini but when I tried to do something using my mom's m1 air I kept on running into trouble. I don't like how Mac doesn't give you direct access to the program files without having to jump through hoops. That turned me off and I ended up going with a gaming laptop for about the same price.
Me absolutely waiting for a this is videos
To much for not a lot. Ram has just been ramped.
I wish the storage was user replaceable on these. I like older Macs and have several (including a Performa 6220CD) and it always seems to be the storage that gives up before anything else. I know this Mac Mini won't be supported forever, but it would be nice to have the option to keep it in service for indefinate years past its EoL/EoS, especially since it seems the amount of power you actually need for a computer dosen't seem to be too much right now. I could run medium/high settings on games with a i7 3770K even now, and that would run TH-cam and other media focused websites perfectly fine, and probably will until AV1 is fully integrated or until a new instruction is needed for a system or game (like the next SSE or something).
As the M2 is worlds faster than third gen i7's, it could be feasible that an M2 would be good for general use for at least 15 years. I wonder if the SSD's will last that long without failures.
"eco friendly packaging" lol
This Mac mini, small form factor keyboard & mouse AND a portable screen? It's the ultimate travelers setup for me at least. I travel with my xbox and I need a good screen to game on. The screen at hotel are shit normally so having a multipurpose screen and MacOS on demand? Yea sign me the fuck up.
The Mac Studio is just a modern take on the failed Apple PowerMac G4 Cube (without included external speakers) and is thereby a machine that should not exist and should thus be discontinued and replaced by an M2 Max Mac Mini and M2 Ultra Mac Mini (both in Space Grey to differentiate itself from the M2/M2 Pro models)...
The M2 Mac Mini is good but I'm not buying one anytime soon (macOS sucks and Asahi Linux isn't ready for Apple M-series SoCs just yet)...
Keep in mind the memory is SHARED between the CPU and GPU... so while "8gb on a Mac" may be better than 8gb on a Windows PC, you are also fighting for that 8gb for your graphics as well... where entry-level GPUs on a Windows machine may have a dedicated 8gb of their own...
name 1 entry level windows machine w 8gb video ram
@@lilposs98 Any machine with a $100 RX 580 equiv or a lower-end GeForce x050. Take the hostility down a notch though, MM. We're all on the same side here.
ok... I'll explain why I won't buy the mac mini. I give them props for keeping the type A ports and some useful port on it, and the core audio drive. That's it. maybe a lot of producers (music) will find it weird, but I choose windows, because you have a ton of choices to fit your needs long term. I need the upgradability option, and with a windows machine, I can get it depending of the brand, and even microsoft's laptops! gives me the ports and enough power to get the work done.
I also do 3d modeling and video editing. On the top of all that, I'm a gamer... you already know my answer. I did started with macbooks, but now... the decisions apple is been making since 2016, I can't go back even if they made the most power PC in the world.
Probably logic user will get it, window has more options overall, but it’s must for logic user.
For $600 you can't get better than the mini for an average user home desktop, granted you need a display but $600 for its performance beats laptops any day (btw I'm against Apple) but this is a steal
Sorry Apple needs to calm down on ram and ssd prices before I ever consider buying a Mac. They are NEVER going to win me over from Windows by charging the price of a black market kidney just to get basic levels of performance for 2023.
Try getting a windows pc outperforming a mac for $600
@@agrpductions I already have it, the i5 13600k with 32gb ddr4 and rtx3050 512gb nvme ssd, you can cheap out and get a i5 13400 and it still smashes the m2 in performance.
@@agrpductionsI bought one 3 years ago. 9400f sure is inferior (as it is to any 3 year newer cou) but 1660s dominates in gpu department and double the memory (16gb/512gb) is fully upgradeable. Mini-itx tower also takes very little desk space.
@Medicine Man it doesn’t matter, you’re missing the point entirely
I bet it will still have Bluetooth and Wi-Fi issues.. I had the M1 mac mini and returned it because it would never stay connected to anything. wifi, my logitech keyboards & mice, even my airpods max. (not an apple hater, just a mac mini hater lol. I have a macbook pro 14inch 2021.)
I am the only one who do not find the performance of the new m1/m2 anything special? Sure, it's better than any mobile cpu, but nowhere near a 200W desktop.
No thanks, the apple ecosystem is so restricted maybe one day but doubt it
Lost a bid for a used M1 mac mini on ebay at $427 and was like fuck it.. bought the M2 on the education discount for $499
is the macMINI base model at 600$ and 8gb ram good enough for 1080p 30-60fps video editing...and maybe sometimes on a whim 4k?
At $499 with a student discount, it's an no brainer. It's just a shame that the base storage configuration only has a single NAND chip
Borderline egregious??
IT’S INSANITY!! And all you people that just pony up- SHAME! You ruined all of it!!!
It's AMAZING how much POWER this machine has!
FYI these mac minis are powerhouses for Logic and Pro Tools! (Speaking as an audio engineer) haha feel like they never talk about the audio production side of content creation.
I bet the Mac mini smells like tears of children
because that's who made it. crying children
Because i like to play games, and my productivity software dont run on mac, its pretty clear mac is not for me, but yeah i agree mac mini is really good value.
we're really saying apple products are worth the money now? jeez, what a world. the whole price per performance argument is thrown out of the window when you say you have to pay $200 for an extra 8gb ram because the system isn't upgradable
No. Lol.
This is the Mac Mini I want and waited for 2 years for. Still wavering on M2 or M2 Pro.
Apple isn't the only one making small desktop computers anymore. There are alternatives in the mini PC space from Minisforum, Beelink, ASRock, and others, and they usually have easily upgradeable RAM and SSD.
The base Mini does make sense for an entry level computer - particularly for those who are invested in the Apple ecosystem - and it's more power efficient than competitors, but it's definitely not the only option in the ultra small form-factor space.
No. m2 igpu is the most powerful in the market right now. Intel has crappy integrated graphics and amd keep their old rdna tech in their low power chips for small mini pc’s.
What about the Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Tiny
Heres the thing most people who are just starting in content creation spend around 900 dollars on their pc which can game and can edit video(though slower) having a mac mini really makes 0 sense unless you have the funds to burn. Have always said the apple ecosystem is great for work and productivity but when it comes to actual entertainment they are the most boring company ever.
So last year my family started a trucking company, and we have to file and store paperwork. Would u recommend this or something else that is cheaper. We tend to file fuel and tax reports every 3 months and use pretty much need a computer for office use.
More than sufficient!
Videos from your main channel aren’t being recommended to me anymore
regular people dont edit videos!!!!! Regular people dont need many ports!!!! A Pi comes with 8gb of ram and can stream 4k video, and do word docs and internet browsing. Anyone know the cost of a Pi?????
Well, it's very compact and slim for people with little space for their workstation
It's still an Apple product, made cheap and sell it over priced.
My plan is to get an M2 Mac mini and a older m1 iPad Pro, have the best of both worlds.
Can it run Crysis?
Sorry No. I shall never buy a Mac.
I always make sure to have my thunderpolt with my EPeu
Optiplex plus a used RX580. how much??????
Would I be able to use obs on the Mac mini 2 pro or on the Mac Studio?
600 dollars US to AUD is 866 dollars but the base model mac mini is $1000 AUD. I feel its not as worth it here unfortunately.
I'd love to see, someone edit a 30 min 3 camera shoot, 8K video, using this thing.
Yes, it can be done, but it's going to take a very long time...
To say, this thing will do, what us PC idiots do, with our $7,000 workstations, is beyond ridiculous.
Yes, I'd say if you're a small TH-cam creator, using a Go-Pro, or your phone, to shoot content, this would work OK, but I'll bet the render times on a 20~30 min 4K video, are going to be an afternoon wait.
No, I'm not stupid, and no, I'm not going to buy a Mac...
The only Apple product I own, is an iPhone, because Apple did the phablet right.
As for using Apple for a workstation? Nope...
Intel Nuc are not crazy loud.. I have 2 in my home office.
People who complain about 8GB of RAM not being enough for them to "Game On" are also the same people who are going to only ever play WoW and CSGO
Can't upgrade ssd on M1 mini
Mac mini is so powerful. Most people dont need power to watch youtube and do a word doc. This is a waste of money. you can get a 200.00 PC with a SSD to meet the needs of this Mac Mini. It cant game. Other than the other things i stated gaming is the only other thing regular people will be doing.
Someone who relevant enough to make petitions and strikes. Let's make phones great again. Let them bring back sd card expandible storage in all phones. Not no mid range. Not no budget. We want flagships with micro SD card slots.
LETS MAKE SMARTPHONES GREAT AGAIN!
(What do we want!)
SD CARD SLOT!!!
Nah. They don't make user-serviceable machines anymore, so I'll pass.
The minimalistic lifestyle needs to end. It's just like people wanting aesthetic over quality.
If they would just let people add RAM and storage...but that goes for everyone who does this sort of thing, not just Apple. Let us get the base models and then expand on it when we need to.
It's impossible on Apple Silicon. Those chips have RAM embedded. Now they've got a good excuse for making it not upgradeable at least. Though, they also solder SSDs which are on a different place on the motherboard, and those things wear out too... Killing them before their time
TBH, RAM is not just a RAM stick - it's unified memory capable of being used by the CPU, GPU, NPU, and any of the IP blocks on the SoC.
At the minimum on the M2 it's 200GB/sec memory up through 800GB/sec on the Max.
Typical RAM on a PC can only be accessed at a maximum rate of about 50GB/sec.
I have a beelink mini pc and it’s price is around 600-800 bucks for a noiseless, 12gb ram raizen, amd is waaay better than this Mac mini. I wouldn’t buy the Mac mini. I actually have 2 mini PCs by 2 different companies and they both are better than the Mac mini
There is still one thing you are missing in the pricing scheme: monitor, keyboard, mouse
Why a Mac when you can buy a Mock?
it is disposable they day you buy it. you paid $600 for e-waist..
With education discount you can get 16gb of Ram and 512gb ssd $800 bucks get a $400 27 inch 4k monitor bam