When I did inbound tech support for Bell Mobility, I ended up as a "SME" (subject matter expert) pretty quickly. It was an offline job where I would answer questions from agents and spend about 20% of my time building and maintaining retraining programs. (We were one of *the* best centers on all metrics because we were fairly proactive in refreshing training and skills). I used to explain things *exactly* the same way with a pen and a notepad, I would go through notepads fairly quickly doing so. Now I work in (not video) games distribution, B2B independent retailer sales channel. Whenever I am having a more in depth conversation with one of my retailers I find myself drawing as I talk in my notebook to a person who is *on the phone* with me. This habit is formed for life.
It is. It's essential for learning & explaining on the fly, to visualize what was talked about. Which is why classrooms, lecture halls, meeting rooms, brainstorm corners have blackboards/whiteboards. Or why some people have a pen just to draw on napkins
The VR game 'Blood & Money's has a bit where you're vandalising an art gallery, and let's you spray paint a particular painting. TTP is such a real thing they even made reference to it in the dialogue. It was a really weird moment when the game knew what I was drawing.
Minecraft, would be one of those games. Takes 6 blocks (three flat, three in the middle going up) for the most basic one, and dirt is close enough to certain flesh tones to work. And hey, if you spawn in a desert it's a goldenrod instead.
Deep Rock Galactic added a laser gun that shoots a continuous beam and leaves a trail. I mod mine to be one big burst I can't stop, it just blasts through all ammo at once and I gotta recharge after. I got real good at flicking the beam just right to draw a full one in one sweep. I am very mature for someone in their 30s.
@@nevarius9010 He could explain it with a straight face because he's had A LOT of practice. This isn't something he just made up on the spot. That was 100% true.
My favorite tidbit about TTP is how CREATIVE people get when there are automated anti-phallus programming. Like I believe it was a Lego game where it got to the point where people set up a spot and said “look here” and through various builds’ negative spaces, a penis emerged.
Lego Universe. An MMO that lasted 2 years because moderation was too expensive. They deleted phallus-shaped lego builds, but some players found out how to use the "behaviour" blocks (which were kind of programmable lego blocks) to automatically build a phallus when you look in a certain direction and then destroy it when you look away. There wasn't a way for Lego to ban that behavior without removing the programmable blocks
Yea but he actually says wise and true shit while those Reddit stories are probably 95% bullshit! The parkour wants to distract you while Thor tries to help you focus on different objectives with his squares and arrows.
Warlords of Draenor, intro quests you get to take a keg of gun powder around to.. He literally said it as I was typing lol Guilty Thor, I couldn't help myself.
I am not even going to watch the video I just love using paint too and AND the snipping tool as well, I love them both they are the best use them all the time.
YO A FELLOW MOUSE PAINTER yayaya this skill is awesome. tip that worked for me: ditch the mouse pad when trying to draw. less friction is necessary to avoid shaky lines
@@sodiboo Not necessarily. Lots of different ideas of what a "good" mouse pad is. But in general, most desks are made of some kind of smooth hard surface such as metal, glass, hard plastic, or wood. All of those usually have less friction than any kind of cloth you would find on a mouse pad, though hard plastic mouse "pads" do exist. The best reason to use a mouse pad in my opinion is that reflective, very uniform, or transparent surfaces tend to interfere with the mouse sensor's ability to do its job. Most mouse pads are completely matte, and cloth fibers provide enough detail for the sensors to track consistently. A sheet of paper also provides all those properties, but it doesn't stay where you put it and trying to stick it down adds lumps.
Best way i can relate to this and as to why the doodling or visual representation helps . think like this when you want to take something apart the average person will likey choose a step by step video than just search for the instructions in text and going by just a written step by step guide 🙏
I legit went to an in-house presentation on ingame drawing systems at an activision studio where TTP was used exactly as PirateSoftware here uses it. It's a real term and an actual concern. Minimizing that metric is something that has to be considered heavily in games where you can draw. This was over ten years ago.
not sure where the clip is but he went through a 2nd puberty and his voice got much deeper, wild thing to think it can happen to an adult, or he was blowing very believable smoke up my ass
@@kchop4tehwpn No, it explains a lot. I used to be able to sing in a decent falsetto and then at some point in my early 30s I completely lost it. So when Thor mentioned _his_ voice changing it explained everything.
@@kchop4tehwpn Wait, so if you go through a 2nd puberty, that means you become a radio host? I wonder if there's a reverse puberty, ad someone's voice gets higher. I guess that must happen, because that's where we get anime girls voice actors.
I know exactly what quest Thor is referencing, it's in the intro sequence to Warlords of Draenor. I play through Warlords a lot because it's really fast xp for questing. he's absolutely right. I draw a dick with the gunpowder every single time.
Considering the powder burns through the path you took every time, I love just running in circles on that quest. For ages. Like 15 to 30 minutes of just running in circles. So that when the powder burns, it just makes a tiny loop-de-loop SO many times before continuing where it needs to go.
examples from wow off the top of my head: -pyrites in ulduar (an absolute classic) -corpses in dalaran (a hell of an effort) -ashes of al'ar trails (requires a partner, can recommend)
Not specifically Japanese, anyone used to a Chinese langauge or language heavily influenced by probably does it that way, including in Korean Hangul, which was loosely based on the Chinese writing system.
That's the same way I draw boxes and I don't know any East Asian languages. How else would you draw it? He drew it the same way you write European letters-like a Latin n or Cyrillic Л with an extra line on the bottom, or a Cyrillic Д. Or a Cyrillic and Greek П with an extra line.
@@Elriuhilu forgive me for commenting on an old comment, but -- it's kinda a neat concept, there are lots of things that everyone does, but lots of cultures do it differently. Like counting on your fingers, do you start with a fist and fold fingers up (western) or do you start with an open palm and fold fingers down (east Slavic countries), when youy're starting from zero, and you count 'one' do you move your thumb, your index finger or your pinky? Does a hand go up to 5? 10? 12? (yes 12. instead of fingers, they count sections of finger, and use their thumb to 'point' at the right bone. ) or tally marks! some people use | || ||| , others use 正 where one line is drawn for each number counted. Others use a square with a slash through it... so the idea of different cultures drawing squares in different ways doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
@@jenetikitty I completely agree with you and I find all that very interesting as well. What I was asking about, though, is who draws a square differently. I've never seen a literate adult draw a square shape any other way for this to be an exclusively east Asian way of doing it. It seems universal to me.
2:12 Halo reach, people would spawn the huge checkered shield and place guns on it then snap a photo for the "maps" thumbnail. All kind of D's and V's even in early online gaming. The amount of detail people could get by placing halo guns for line art was actually kind of impressive.
@@W00JDA enjoy what you want. No skin off my teeth. But not liking it doesn't mean there's something wrong with either of us. No reason to be a jerk about it.
To be fair, nobody was calling me out but myself. It was more of a "goofy" question that doesn't mean much other than an observation about myself. It was just always one of those things you hear, "everyone immediately tries to draw one as first instinct", but I just never had that urge 😅
According to urban legend, the TTP of the Apollo moon program was a little over 1 year from the first manned launch (Apollo 7 in October '68) to Apollo 12 in December of '69. Andy Warhol was involved.
@@jackloyce I'm left handed too and use my mouse with my right hand as well. I do have a tablet and pen laying around on the left side of my keyboard though, for when that's more convenient. Also, when I was still working in tech support and visited left handed customers on site I always only asked if they had the buttons swapped because I can use a mouse with my left hand just fine and can easily adjust for the buttons being in lefty or righty mode.
In guild wars 2, you can join a squad of up to 50 people, and draw a temporary mark on the map which then fades after a couple of seconds. That's still enough time to draw a dick over several continents across the world map.
just for the fact thor has his own term for TTP this reminds me about the LoL dev team using the term (DP) dude potential (example is you can see 3 enemies on the mini map and you're about to walk into a bush, the DP value of that bush is 2 because there are potentially 2 people hidden in there waiting for you)
Flight path around the Milky Way in Elite Dangerous? TTP measured in days because it takes real world days to go that far in-game. Jumping from star system to star system takes a minute because it's a hidden loading screen and cool down. You can only jump so far per jump, so it takes serious time to travel far. If it spans the entire galaxy, months. Ask me how I know (I didn't draw anything, just traveled the length of the galaxy and back)
xD he was saying he draws so that people pay attention and it worked on my and it seemed to have worked on them too, I didn't care it was shapes or not
Modern version of the teacher writing on the overhead projector in high school. However, my math teacher still managed to make her lessons the most boring in the history of lecturing.
Drawing while talking is an awesome way to articulate
When I did inbound tech support for Bell Mobility, I ended up as a "SME" (subject matter expert) pretty quickly. It was an offline job where I would answer questions from agents and spend about 20% of my time building and maintaining retraining programs. (We were one of *the* best centers on all metrics because we were fairly proactive in refreshing training and skills).
I used to explain things *exactly* the same way with a pen and a notepad, I would go through notepads fairly quickly doing so.
Now I work in (not video) games distribution, B2B independent retailer sales channel. Whenever I am having a more in depth conversation with one of my retailers I find myself drawing as I talk in my notebook to a person who is *on the phone* with me. This habit is formed for life.
It is. It's essential for learning & explaining on the fly, to visualize what was talked about.
Which is why classrooms, lecture halls, meeting rooms, brainstorm corners have blackboards/whiteboards. Or why some people have a pen just to draw on napkins
Friend of mine works as a game designer, I asked him if TTP was a realy thing.
"not only is it real, in some games it can be measured in seconds"
The VR game 'Blood & Money's has a bit where you're vandalising an art gallery, and let's you spray paint a particular painting. TTP is such a real thing they even made reference to it in the dialogue.
It was a really weird moment when the game knew what I was drawing.
Minecraft, would be one of those games. Takes 6 blocks (three flat, three in the middle going up) for the most basic one, and dirt is close enough to certain flesh tones to work. And hey, if you spawn in a desert it's a goldenrod instead.
@@ThePCguy17we know the shape of it
@@Kero-zc5tc Your mum knows the shape of it.
@@sixuk902That is, in fact, how motherhood works.
Deep Rock Galactic added a laser gun that shoots a continuous beam and leaves a trail. I mod mine to be one big burst I can't stop, it just blasts through all ammo at once and I gotta recharge after. I got real good at flicking the beam just right to draw a full one in one sweep. I am very mature for someone in their 30s.
didn't expect a Rock and Stone in this comment section
gotta train my TTP on the Shard lmao
Warframe mining laser used to have a big longlasting trail on everything including players. But that didn't last very long.
Automated Beam Controller. Despite what some might say, it's a really good overcoock. Potentially my favourite.
Shard difractor's main use in my loadout is to draw the cool S and dicks. and I do this almost every game
"flicking the beam" lmao
TTP is a fascinating concept
I mean, if you look at some of the things done by humans 1000s of years ago, it's the same, so not surprised.
The amazing part is that he doesn't take any extra time to answer the question, he just knows exactly where he's going to go with it.
@@la.zanmal. I assume it's only natural since he has explained it a few times on different streams; he even made an entire short about it, if I recall
that's a reference from the show "mythic quest"
what is ttp?
TTP dates back to the earliest cave drawings.
how he could explain that with a straight face is beyond me, that was hilarious
8====> yess
@@nevarius9010 He could explain it with a straight face because he's had A LOT of practice. This isn't something he just made up on the spot. That was 100% true.
So real life has a TTP, we don't know what it was but it was probably very short.
JP immediately laughing at Thor IMMEDIATELY drawing "Blizzard" as he begins his explanation.
I love how Thor answers every question as if he's in a job interview lmao
Thor gives his community their TTP needs so he himself does not have to draw it.
A truly genius move by the goblin lord!
My favorite tidbit about TTP is how CREATIVE people get when there are automated anti-phallus programming. Like I believe it was a Lego game where it got to the point where people set up a spot and said “look here” and through various builds’ negative spaces, a penis emerged.
I remember reading that (I also think it was LEGO) and at that point the mods threw up their hands and realised it was a losing battle.
If you try to prevent people from TTPing, they'll just find more clever TTP
@@patrickrobertshaw7020 not only that, it becomes a challenge and the incentive is to draw it more
Lego Universe. An MMO that lasted 2 years because moderation was too expensive. They deleted phallus-shaped lego builds, but some players found out how to use the "behaviour" blocks (which were kind of programmable lego blocks) to automatically build a phallus when you look in a certain direction and then destroy it when you look away. There wasn't a way for Lego to ban that behavior without removing the programmable blocks
He's not even kidding. I use this to explain tech concepts all the time with crappy little doodles. Its amazing how much a visual aid helps
Thor is the original version of Minecraft parkour video with a reddit story😂😂😂
Yea but he actually says wise and true shit while those Reddit stories are probably 95% bullshit! The parkour wants to distract you while Thor tries to help you focus on different objectives with his squares and arrows.
@@AtraxX98 tomatoe potatoe
the TTP in half life alyx was 90 seconds flat. IYKYK
Is there a Speedrun category for TTP?
There is a speedrun category for everything. Rule 46
Pretty sure you can do it in 15
@@hundvd_7the time in seconds is not related to how fast you draw it, it's how fast it took for the first player to do it.
As a game designer I can confirm that TTP (time to penis) is a real concept featured in serious professional guidebooks.
Warlords of Draenor, intro quests you get to take a keg of gun powder around to.. He literally said it as I was typing lol
Guilty Thor, I couldn't help myself.
The drawing thing is catching on too with other streamers. They are realizing the power of the drawn box.
Tears of the Kingdom knew we'd make giant hogs out of wood planks
I am not even going to watch the video I just love using paint too and AND the snipping tool as well, I love them both they are the best use them all the time.
YO
A FELLOW MOUSE PAINTER
yayaya this skill is awesome.
tip that worked for me: ditch the mouse pad when trying to draw. less friction is necessary to avoid shaky lines
isn't the point of a good mouse pad to reduce friction?
@@sodiboo oh. probably! now realizing all my mouse pads are super old.
whatever surface feels best for swooshing.
Do you know what the software he uses is?
@@RaidChief MS Paint
@@sodiboo Not necessarily. Lots of different ideas of what a "good" mouse pad is. But in general, most desks are made of some kind of smooth hard surface such as metal, glass, hard plastic, or wood. All of those usually have less friction than any kind of cloth you would find on a mouse pad, though hard plastic mouse "pads" do exist.
The best reason to use a mouse pad in my opinion is that reflective, very uniform, or transparent surfaces tend to interfere with the mouse sensor's ability to do its job. Most mouse pads are completely matte, and cloth fibers provide enough detail for the sensors to track consistently. A sheet of paper also provides all those properties, but it doesn't stay where you put it and trying to stick it down adds lumps.
*Writes out the word "Money"
*Double underlines
*Draws arrow pointing to the words "bank account"
*Thunderous applause ensues
Best way i can relate to this and as to why the doodling or visual representation helps .
think like this when you want to take something apart the average person will likey choose a step by step video than just search for the instructions in text and going by just a written step by step guide 🙏
they even say in that quest in Warlords wiht the powder "I hope you didnt do anything inappropriate with that powder" or something like that
Love how the panel is also showing us all of the stages of growing a beard at once!
I remember the black powder quest and yes. I did the same thing.
1:14 "Well you see, I'm an adult."
Right lol why draw a penis I don’t understand
I legit went to an in-house presentation on ingame drawing systems at an activision studio where TTP was used exactly as PirateSoftware here uses it. It's a real term and an actual concern. Minimizing that metric is something that has to be considered heavily in games where you can draw. This was over ten years ago.
2:06 I feel called here... Every single time I was leveling up a char....
I've did it litterally last week.
This dick made of gunpowder is a tradition, i've never NOT done it.
I feel called out for drawing it in Warlords of Dreanor expantion intro
that quest instantly got into my head when he mentioned TTP
His VOICE sounds like he should be an on air radio DJ.
not sure where the clip is but he went through a 2nd puberty and his voice got much deeper, wild thing to think it can happen to an adult, or he was blowing very believable smoke up my ass
@@kchop4tehwpn No, it explains a lot. I used to be able to sing in a decent falsetto and then at some point in my early 30s I completely lost it. So when Thor mentioned _his_ voice changing it explained everything.
@@kchop4tehwpn Wait, so if you go through a 2nd puberty, that means you become a radio host?
I wonder if there's a reverse puberty, ad someone's voice gets higher.
I guess that must happen, because that's where we get anime girls voice actors.
1:06 THE question every man wonders
1:15 THE reaction (Cohh) every man gives to the suggested answer
😂😂
the laughters were very heartful
no shame =)
Are you telling me the squares do not matter?
All these squares make a circle.
All these squares make a penis.
I know exactly what quest Thor is referencing, it's in the intro sequence to Warlords of Draenor.
I play through Warlords a lot because it's really fast xp for questing. he's absolutely right. I draw a dick with the gunpowder every single time.
Considering the powder burns through the path you took every time, I love just running in circles on that quest. For ages. Like 15 to 30 minutes of just running in circles. So that when the powder burns, it just makes a tiny loop-de-loop SO many times before continuing where it needs to go.
examples from wow off the top of my head:
-pyrites in ulduar (an absolute classic)
-corpses in dalaran (a hell of an effort)
-ashes of al'ar trails (requires a partner, can recommend)
A rocket ship with a throbbing ... cockpit.
I'll see myself out now.
I love how whenever he draws a box, he does it the Japanese way. A little Easter egg for Japanese learners
Not specifically Japanese, anyone used to a Chinese langauge or language heavily influenced by probably does it that way, including in Korean Hangul, which was loosely based on the Chinese writing system.
That's the same way I draw boxes and I don't know any East Asian languages. How else would you draw it? He drew it the same way you write European letters-like a Latin n or Cyrillic Л with an extra line on the bottom, or a Cyrillic Д. Or a Cyrillic and Greek П with an extra line.
@@Elriuhilu You could draw it in 1, 2 or 4 strokes instead of 3.
@@Elriuhilu forgive me for commenting on an old comment, but -- it's kinda a neat concept, there are lots of things that everyone does, but lots of cultures do it differently.
Like counting on your fingers, do you start with a fist and fold fingers up (western) or do you start with an open palm and fold fingers down (east Slavic countries), when youy're starting from zero, and you count 'one' do you move your thumb, your index finger or your pinky? Does a hand go up to 5? 10? 12? (yes 12. instead of fingers, they count sections of finger, and use their thumb to 'point' at the right bone. )
or tally marks! some people use | || ||| , others use 正 where one line is drawn for each number counted. Others use a square with a slash through it...
so the idea of different cultures drawing squares in different ways doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
@@jenetikitty I completely agree with you and I find all that very interesting as well. What I was asking about, though, is who draws a square differently. I've never seen a literate adult draw a square shape any other way for this to be an exclusively east Asian way of doing it. It seems universal to me.
TIL that TTP is VERY real. Even found an interview with Rob McElhenney talking about it and the research they did into it
2:12
Halo reach, people would spawn the huge checkered shield and place guns on it then snap a photo for the "maps" thumbnail. All kind of D's and V's even in early online gaming. The amount of detail people could get by placing halo guns for line art was actually kind of impressive.
Everybody nodding their heads during the TTP talk lol
The Bob Ross of MS Paint
i was hoping he would draw an X to complete the shapes at 0:42
I was literally thinking about the black powder quest. I instantly TTP'd
So is there something wrong with me if drawing these things was never my reaction as a player?
I've never done it either. I think it means you didn't have a juvenile sense of humor
@@Darthtanos Oh look at you with your sophisticated sense of humor. Us peasants will never understand that.
@@W00JDA enjoy what you want. No skin off my teeth. But not liking it doesn't mean there's something wrong with either of us. No reason to be a jerk about it.
To be fair, nobody was calling me out but myself. It was more of a "goofy" question that doesn't mean much other than an observation about myself.
It was just always one of those things you hear, "everyone immediately tries to draw one as first instinct", but I just never had that urge 😅
Same. Never wanted to draw dicks or boobs in games. My humor was more puns at stuff going on or sarcastic commentary at NPCs.
It's exactly what I did with this WoW quest
TTP... you learn something new every day
fun fact i went into a game that was in development that no other players played yettt.... i was the first TTP in that game
1:05 is the whole discussion.
😂 🎯ist he whole repertoire
talking and drawing is what i do as a flight instructor, it keeps attention a lot better
Rocketship ey where's Salvio?
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TTP made famous in a Mythic Quest episode
Drawing in Paint while talking is old man's Subway Surfer :D
TTP was basically the silicon valley joke >.>
According to urban legend, the TTP of the Apollo moon program was a little over 1 year from the first manned launch (Apollo 7 in October '68) to Apollo 12 in December of '69. Andy Warhol was involved.
There's also an official world record for TTP on Mars, although it's (allegedly) not intentional.
THOR IS LEFT HANDED
THOR IS LEFT HANDED!!!!
the camera is flipped, but even then i'm left handed and i use the mouse in my right
Looking at it carefully, he's not left handed; his camera is flipped.
@@jackloyce I'm left handed too and use my mouse with my right hand as well. I do have a tablet and pen laying around on the left side of my keyboard though, for when that's more convenient. Also, when I was still working in tech support and visited left handed customers on site I always only asked if they had the buttons swapped because I can use a mouse with my left hand just fine and can easily adjust for the buttons being in lefty or righty mode.
Thor was a genius addition to dropped frames.
I've made so many "rocket ships" in Minecraft
It's almost like TTP was mentioned in a TV show about programmers lol
TTP - Valve perfected this on Alyx with the whiteboard
Its basically the "jingle jingle" Meme 🤣
In guild wars 2, you can join a squad of up to 50 people, and draw a temporary mark on the map which then fades after a couple of seconds. That's still enough time to draw a dick over several continents across the world map.
Thanks for the video! :D
What the barrel quest in warcraft produced was big and flaming D
Its called mouse skill. Thats why he has good aim, too lol
You don’t ask questions from Thor he just blesses us with answers 👊🏼
just for the fact thor has his own term for TTP this reminds me about the LoL dev team using the term (DP) dude potential (example is you can see 3 enemies on the mini map and you're about to walk into a bush, the DP value of that bush is 2 because there are potentially 2 people hidden in there waiting for you)
people like pictures
Greatest beautiful long haired wizard on the internet
TTP applies to snowfalls in canada as well.
Great now I'm just thinking of Silicon Valley and Middle Out.
A rather vascular rocket ship...
TTP of The Division 1=the moment you get a gun 😂
Half-Life : Alyx has a room, that's basically an "Okay, get it out of your system before we move on."
1:18 thor was about to say "one i draw one so good that HR called me to see it"
Flight path around the Milky Way in Elite Dangerous? TTP measured in days because it takes real world days to go that far in-game. Jumping from star system to star system takes a minute because it's a hidden loading screen and cool down. You can only jump so far per jump, so it takes serious time to travel far. If it spans the entire galaxy, months. Ask me how I know (I didn't draw anything, just traveled the length of the galaxy and back)
>"unless I drew little things on the screen"
>square
Perfect
"it's a rocket, very well detailed" Yes those are fuel lines, not veins. The top is expelling the pre-launch coolant.
The real skill is that he draws straight darn lines in paint at that speed, but I guess I'd get there if I did it as often as he does
Soldiers through history...
TIL that TTP is an actual metric used by game developers.
TTP in Half life Alyx was insanely fast
Ah, Maldavius Figtree.
Man cracked the code for ADHD folks in meetings
You draw with a mousseeeeee , holly crap
It's somewhat easier. Not as accurate and easy drawing nice lines and curves and whatnot. But a lot easier to find the pointer in the sheet somehow.
2% of the video: Why Pirate Software uses paint on stream
98% of the video: TTP
Not gonna lie. Just listening to this, I felt the need to start up paint and draw one.
Roots of Pacha.
The event where you can do cave paintings.
I am guilty.
anyone else seen the show "mythic Quest"? the TTP scene is genius.
There's TTP, and any game with explosives.... TT911
I was expecting an explanation on "why paint" specifically, not "why draw"
I thought they were talking to Howard Stern at first.
The captain of the freight ship that blocked the suiz canal drew a dick on the map with the route of the ship before going into the canal
i fill i'm like out of phase.. i would draw a smiley. Still i like TTP acronyme.
TTP needs to be an official acronym 😅
It should be a speedrun category
it already is
Now I know why I like his shorts. I think i have ADD or ADHD and it keeps my attention lol.
xD he was saying he draws so that people pay attention and it worked on my and it seemed to have worked on them too, I didn't care it was shapes or not
Baldur's Gate's TTP is 3 seconds
Modern version of the teacher writing on the overhead projector in high school.
However, my math teacher still managed to make her lessons the most boring in the history of lecturing.
TTP has been around in the internet lingo for literally decades.
it's funny when he sometimes draws a square that has nothing to do with the point and does not follow up with it
Thor is like a unit in an RTS where it is balanced such that you can only get so many of them and only late in the game
The world could use more Thors
lmao i do the snow thing im called out