The WORST FE Maps EVER?? ft.
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The real bad maps was the friends we made along the way. Unfortunately, all those friends died to 1% crits as green units before we had the chance to reach them.
I'll never forget Jaffar's dying words...
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@@ImportedCheese fancy seeing you here
T'he stat bustar is a speadwing in gerofry carge
I looked it up
Fe6 bolting weighs 10
The boss has 7 con and 17-18 speed
So he averages like 14-15 AS on hard mode
Absolutely disgusting
Arden can't cross the mountains in FE4 Ch4, period. The only way to get him to the southern area of the map is to have Azel and Aideen become lovers so you get the Rescue staff and to teleport Arden over the mountains that way.
Or warp him after capturing Castle Silesse
@@yeah351 Oh yeah, you're totally right. Thanks, Bestest!
They really hate Arden
the snowshovel map would go from arguably the worst map in the series to still bad but not thaaat bad if u could bring a full army. u only get to bring 6 units even tho u have 10, for no reason. it's so baffling. like 10's probably still not enough but u could at least shovel more than once per turn, maybe even spread out a bit if ur feeling frisky. why are there FE7 arbitrary deployment limits in my alleged unit building sandbox game.
Build an army. Trust nobody. Especially not the map designers. Fire Emblem, no longer only on Game Boy Advanced.
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Conquest endgame is a failure in map design if the answer to how to "have fun" is to find a way to ignore as much of it as possible. It's Also a major issue if the crux to completing the map is almost fully dependent on a limited resources that could have long since been expended
I am surprised by how many no brainers (imo) you didn't nominate here. For FE 7 for example, I would bring up Victory or Death. If any map is guilty of overstuffing itself with tedious waces of reinforcements, it's this one.
My least favorite Tellius map appears in both games actually: The Pitfall Bridge. You can only imagine my disappointment when I found out that THIS was the map they were gonna bring back in RD. Also shoutout to that Part 4 desert map for taking me over two hours to finish.
For Thracia, I would nominate chapter 11 and put it straight into "Made me Quit the Game", because that is literally what happened. I already didn'r enjoy the game, but getting by ambush ballista reinforcements shortly sfter being locked in a room isn't exactly my idea of fun gameplay.
It was also hilarious listening to you two trying to figure out which Gaiden swamp map you had there, because you kept talking past each other and were both wrong on which map it is. That was kinda hilarious.
God, the bridge maps in Tellius. I love FE9 and FE10 but I still can't believe they thought that was a good idea to make people play through *twice.*
so glad I watched a guide for chapter 11 of Thracia beforehand, because swear to Naga I think I too wouldve quit the game with that lil Kaga moment
If there was room for one more map, I would have chosen chapter 16x from fe6, The “Glorious” Ascension. This chapter can eat a big, fat cactus. It is a horrible experience being forced to awkwardly shove all your units up tight one tile wide corridors while being constantly pelted by boltings, purges, longbows, and status staves! Another thing is the stupid light lasers that come down, potentially conveniently right through the corridors you’re forced to go through. The best part is, you have absolutely no idea when, where, or how many light lasers will occur each turn! Yaaaaay! As the final shot in the foot, you would naturally think that the newly recruited Douglas would be a terrible choice for this map due to his awful speed and Res. Apparently the game doesn’t think so because he is “force deployed” on turn 1. After going through the bull crap to save him in the previous chapter, this is just insulting. Here! Have a functionally useless unit that you can’t avoid using! There’s not even any good items in this stupid map. All you get is Aureola at the end, which is probably the worst legendary weapon. This map even sucks for grinding supports or exp because of the stupid light lasers and bishops only giving like 2 exp when killed. I know people crap on other maps in fe6 like Arcadia, but at least some optimization can be done to minimize turns taken and thus the suffering you endure. There are no such shortcuts possible in the glorious ascension. You can’t fly through the walls to minimize distance and I don’t believe you have warp at this point in the game. This chapter barely escapes my full wrath because it is technically optional, but this chapter still sucks big time.
By that point in the game you should have the warp staff since you can get it earlier in Arcadia. With training you should be able to get Saul to warp rank by the time you get to this chapter so you can warp skip 16x cause that is what I often do.
You made some great points talking about Conquest's endgame, but I feel like the worst map in the game is Ch19 (the kitsune map). It's a very annoying map with you being unable to player phase the kitsunes most of the time, but it's super easy to cheese by reclassing Xander into a Wyvern Lord and giving him the Beastslayer or just using Benny.
Was VERY close to being the map I chose, and I do think that in a vacuum c19 is probably the worst map in the game. I just wanted an excuse to rant about my issues with the endgame.
I know xenologues weren't really included for the lineup of this, but I think Fell Xenologue Chapters 5 and 6 really blow anything else from Engage out of the water in terms of awful map design.
I don't own the DLC and don't plan on buying it or pirating it so I don't think it would be fair of me to rate a map I've never played, plus if Gaiden maps were mostly exempt then you can bet DLC maps would be.
But yeah if we were to take maps as a vacuum I've pretty much heard majority negative things about the map design and implementation of the Fell Xenologue, which doesn't exactly fill me with hope for the future of map design in the series if they think those maps were worth an extra 50% of the base game price.
I know it would be a lot more effort, so I can't fault you for not doing it, but I think this video in particular would benefit from having some footage from each map.
Or at least just a close up of the map, and chapter X, or something like that displayed on the screen :(
@@ChaosChronicle Yep, have no idea where and when most these maps are
the rainbow sage map in conquest is weird because it's the first time the game throws the 'here's a bunch of bullshit skills you need to read to understand what's going on' trick at you, and after the first few chapters doing a lot of clever stuff with terrain, enemy placement and very judicious skill use, it feels like a cool curveball, balanced out by how the enemies are all isolated in individual puzzle rooms that you can take on at your own pace.
then the game throws the 'here's a bunch of bullshit skills you need to read to understand what's going on' trick at you again. and it doesn't stop. ever.
I have similar feelings about CQ endgame. My problem with lunatic is that the game lets you get away with playing like a normal FE and not going for certain skills all the way until 26 and endgame where the game decides that you're screwed if you didn't plan the whole game for them.
I really don't think lunatic is all that difficult until then. Every map before 26 is totally doable without having good skill combos. Maps 19-25 all have ways to cheese them that most players will be able to do as long as they have a team of good combat units and some fliers.
In my lunatic playthrough, I played without looking up how to get good skills cause I wanted to see if I could beat it on my own. Needless to say I could only barely beat 26 with most of my team dead. And I only had a 6% CoS to beat endgame with a rescue skip since I didn't have life and death to kill Takumi reliably (one of the most miserable grinds of my life).
It's completely my fault for trying to beat lunatic without game knowledge, but I still hate 26 and endgame for this reason even if they are technically well designed.
Some of the worst maps to me:
Fe11 Wooden cavalry: a ton of ballisticians with over lapping range
Fe15 Desert stronghold: desert move, and a ton of archers in a reasonably well protected place
Fe10 2-1: an rng nightmare. Enemies have random stats that makes doubling possible or not. Most enemies actually have random ai. Both offensive characters have shaky accuracy. Some of the villages are in really bad locations. A lot of 2 range enemies when you only have 1 range weapons
Fe13 Shepherds: open map with little places to use much strategy but throw Fredrick at the enemy and hope he lives as everyone else hides in fear
Fe16 reunion at dawn: ... enough said. Runner up true chivalry: rodrigue
Fe17 the last engage: just way too many reinforcements and the enemies are way to bulky
Another thing about 3-P in Radiant Dawn that wasn't covered in the video is its stupidly strict turn limit of I think 7 turns to get max BEXP. You have to storm ahead full throttle and can't slow down the slightest bit to have the GMs reach the end of the map in time, and then even if you do manage it, you'll still often fail to finish within the limit as Skrimir or the other laguz do something dumb that keep Skrimir from reaching the seize point in time, making this objective largely luck-based. It also stands in stark contrast to the BEXP turn limits on other maps in RD, which are often awfully lenient and require no real LTC skills to achieve.
As awful as 2-3 and 3-P are though, I still think 2-1 is the absolute worst of Radiant Dawn. Maybe it's tolerable with a Nephenee that has a Strength + Speed transfer, but without it's such an unfun hellhole of a map.
I really really like 3 houses chapter 5. Is it poorly designed in maddening? Yes. Is it annoyingly long? Also yes. But there are 2 things I like about it.
1. The ambush can be almost completely countered by a unit with high defence. Are you blue lions? Push Dedue past the threshold and you’ll be able to eat the hits. I’ve always been a sucker for heavy armour units, so having a place where having one is optimal is very fun
2. This is the only place in the entirety of 3 houses where I was able to use a big aoe gambit, and have an enemy in every square of the aoe. You can effectively hold a massive choke point and clear the entire map by picking off the archers from behind and letting the rest of them pile up
2:33:00 i heavily agree that the hardest difficulty is often not the best metric to judge a game.
Many of the maps you didn't like on later games were also awfulbl because of how the hardest difficulty interacts with them. Frankly, FE doesn't seem to have many good max difficulties that aren't super frustrating. But at the same time once you're experienced how do you judge on a lower difficulty, they're too easy to really tell if a unit or strat is good?
2:01:43 did you actually just call Basilio and Flavia unusable? are you being real right now? they're pre-premotes with high weapon ranks. Basilio is one rank away from the Brave Bow, and you get him right before a map with a bunch of fliers, and then a map where the boss of this "Defeat Boss" map is a Dark Flier.
I can definitely get why it's offputting to have the end of a playthrough be ruined by the final map being too hard in conquest and not having the right setup. But personally I feel like it's really nice that there is a map in fates that puts the crazy levels of optimization you can do in fates to use. I feel like fire emblem often has a problem where lategame ends up being a lot easier to the early game. It makes it feel that while you can plan out and build your units, it all feels somewhat pointless in the end as they won't make much of a difference. Part of why I (and many other fates fans) likes it is that the effort you put into the game planning and building units is actually rewarded and you have applications for your built up units.
Should've had the rest of fe6 maps on here
Also Great vid but dear god this image alignment is HELL
Yeah, would you believe me if I said it used to be SO MUCH worse? Tiermaker absolutely hates trying to format any image that isn't a perfect square, and even though it crunches the image into a square it leaves ghost space that pushes around other images with no clear logic.
and 70% of the conquest maps
Fe7 Chapter 21 Warrior boss has a hero crest i believe so you are pretty much encouraged to deploy a thief although that doesnt fix the deployment slot issues
Honestly, I have no problems with "Tower of Black Winds" in Three Houses... but again, I didn't play Three Houses in Maddening mode, so I don't have that horrible experience.
In Maddening, the trick is to let Gilbert die- easier than it sounds, since the mages hit hard. After that, you'll just need to send a unit out to trigger the ambush, kill the units that come after you and the reinforcements, and the rest of the map is simple.
If my memory has not left me for a better man, I believe the rom hack "Princess's Lament" turned the mountain pass chapter from a route to a survive map and it works out pretty well. Kinda help with the extra units you can get, like the brigand/berserker and spider who can hunt people down in the mountains.
Really fun rom hack, cool twist in the formal of FE8 story, the implemnetation of stat boosting talks is also something I want to see more of and the new map are not that bad, also made me use classes I normally don't (see the negtives for that).
Really ugly sprites, however and the pre-promoted ranger is ASS and I cannot forgive how they butched the summons (If you don't want me making my shamans summoners, please inform me before I use up my promotion item).
I totally agree. On the Fe radiant. Dawn Gifford's charge map it's so ridiculous you get like two experience points per battle but they want you to rush and not kill anything but do everything in the book to attender you from passing.
(maria refers to itself in third person)
maria finished fe3 two days ago, dragons in fe3 ABSOLUTELY have 1-2 range
On my only playthrough of Conquest Lunatic (where I didn't do any Rescue/Pass stuff, other than using Rescue to snipe the staff users and then get out), I was actually kind of surprised at how easy killing Takumi himself was. Not easy in absolute terms, but I found dealing with the initial enemies plus reinforcements more difficult. Once I figured out the right tempo to move at to deal with the first, idk, 5 or so turns, things got a lot calmer and I didn't have that much trouble finishing.
Can confirm, Geoffery's Charge is the map that got me to quit Radiant Dawn (or at least put it on infinite hiatus) the second time I attempted to finish RD for the first time. First time I quit the game was the map in Part 1 you get Tauroneo on.
The desert map in FE6 with Sophia should be considered for this list. It’s a chapter where you need to beat in 20 turns for the gaiden chapter, inflicts movement penalties on the cavalry units, the boss is incredibly hard to hit wasting your time, it’s a fog of war, and you need to move Sophia to the end to get a guiding ring who is one of the worst units of in the series stats-wise while also keeping her alive for the gaiden chapter too. The other two chapters you included in FE6 were pretty terrible too but I think this map should be mentioned.
For 3H chapter 5, you also have Gilbert, who sometimes draws the archers up top while he dies against the reinforcements from behind. This will also draw every enemy to start coming at you and you have no control over Gilbert doing that. I hate it
My Conquest Lunatic run is still sitting in Endgame limbo because I didn't know I was supposed to save Rescues and stuff. I've played Conquest twice before, first time on Hard and second time Normal (tried ironmanning for the first time ever) and so I didn't really think endgame was going to be the issue, I had only ever heard of bad things like Lunatic ch17 (Ninja Hell) and ch25 (Ryoma).
I even unashamedly installed a mod that lets you save in the endgame prep screen but I still couldn't do it after hours of trying. I eventually had one attempt where I would've won if I had gotten some slightly better RNG so I think one day I'll just have to play it on Citra with savestates between each turn. Bit of a shame but at least the save is not completely softlocked.
Falling Short of Heaving is always fun and difficult to me because of the last turn and assassins mainly but has become easier by just going into the fog and killing the peg reinforcements and assassin reinforcements before they come. It’s not that bad, but I also always pick Azure Moon so maybe it helps to have a good Ashe. The setup of where you put your units before the map starts is the most important part which is sort of unusual in FE and I really appreciate how unique that is. Definitely struggled with it the first time but I’ve developed a pretty good strategy that makes it fun to conquer
Oh and I also think it’s pretty good practice to wait to do paralogues until you’re decently over the recommended level but before they expire, maybe a bit earlier to get better xp
That Kill Your Mom map had me messed up though and I was on normal LMAO I think I wanted to just get it done as quickly as possible because like you guys said the low enthusiasm to play Engage is real, so maybe I’d be able to make up an effective strategy if by some miracle I ever touched it again, but goddang the infinite late game reinforcements an that map’s laser (never thought I’d say that in regards to FE) really discourage my “just get it done” grind
The worst FE4 map has to be chapter 5 purely for making you traverse a desert in the Horse Emblem game
fe3 chapter 3 does have a bridge key, its a hidden item
maria actually loved chapter 3, positioning four units that can handle a dracoknight to be exactly in range of each dracoknight before entering the shop was fun
anris way, on the other hand, is absolutely one of the worst things maria has played. yeah, archers are useful for the wyverns, except they have 1 MOVE in the desert 😬
I'm honestly surprised "Reunion at Dawn" didn't make the list. You're forced to use units from your house, start out with just Byleth and your house leader, get the other units at opposite corners of the map and have to deal with surprisingly hard enemies. They should have toned down the enemy difficulty, since you're just killing some bandits squatting in Garreg Mach.
As someone who has only ever done in-house runs of 3H it didn't immediately cross my mind, but this is definitely a combo map & game design issue that they allow players to effectively screw themselves without knowing because even with the time skip auto leveling that's not usually enough to overcome the act 2 difficulty spike.
Doesn’t Lachesis start with 10K gold? Pretty sure you can get her to level 15ish in her join map after repairing return just once.
Might as well do another tier list entirely for the worst Gaiden/paralogue maps
I'm doing a proc build in Conquest, and having trouble trying to use the Sakura map to train. Idk if I'll be able to beat endgame... (this will hopefully be my first time getting there)
"There's very few places (in Twisted Tower) for a Jill or Marcia to stop in"
There's enough, though. It's tricky, but you can open a path for your fliers to significantly cut down on the turn count/distance to the objective. Tibarn definitely helps with that as well. Actually, the tougher part is dealing with the dragons blocking your access to the boss. If not for those I'm pretty sure you could 2 or maybe 3 turn it even on 0%.
This got me into the mood for a Conquest Ironman
Argument for the fe8 map, you can simply skip it, you CANNOT skip the hot garbage that is 5x
Conquest Lunatic Endgame is definitely brutal in its difficulty and it's kinda one of the maps where it gets a lot better with experience. It's a map with a fast pace, pushing you to end it in at around 5-7 turns to avoid fighting the reinforcements, but it's able to really pack in a lot of content in those few turns you spend there. You get to revisit familiar concepts from previous chapters like Inevitable End, Staff Savant, and Wary Fighter as well as fight the most challenging enemies from those chapters like Generals, Maids, and Master Ninjas. Contrary to what's said in the video, I don't think it's a map that needs much long-term preparation at all. Most of your main combat units should be maxed out by now and if they're able to handle the threats from previous chapters, they absolutely should also be able to handle the same threats in Endgame. It's moreso figuring out how best to approach the map and how best to use your statboosters and tonics. I've done this map without any Rescue uses and it's more than doable without fancy shmancy builds like Life and Death/Vantage.
And, minor correction here, I should point out that Takumi's Bold Stance skill does not prevent you from using dual strikes against him.
In general, I think Conquest Endgame really does not deserve its bad rap. I find a lot of its criticisms aren't that it has bad map design, they only focus on the circumstances surrounding the map (the removed save function between it and Chapter 27) and it being "too difficult." As Dani said, Hard Endgame is quite lenient compared to Lunatic and it hits the spot for most players, including those going in blind. So if the difficulty doesn't suit you, you can drop it down and tailor to your own experience.
Other Fates things: I'm a bit bewildered by the Birthright picks. Chapters 15 and 22 are nowhere near the worst or the most infamous in Birthright IMO. In terms of the *worst* maps, the entire stretch of Chapters 17 to 21 is host to a lot of Birthright's worst maps, and Birthright Endgame is pretty bad too. In terms of the most infamous, there's Chapter 10 (Ninja Forest), Chapter 23 (Camilla sewers), and Chapter 25 (last Iago map) which are notorious for being difficulty spikes, with honourable mentions to Chapters 14 and 27.
It's also kinda surprising that Conquest 19 (Fox den) isn't on the list but I get why it'd be excluded for the sake of pacing. Chapter 11 and CQ Endgame (for its polarizing nature) are already good picks.
I don't know why Green Unit Saizo map isn't a Conquest pick. As some one who follied with Conquest on hard until i downed to normal, I think judging the final chapter as too hard is odd, outside of FE that's the norm.
I completely understand because babysitting Edgy Ninja man was not what i prepared for either, and I had to suspend my old-school no-reset on deaths mindset. Anyway (repeating Dani's point, don't judge quality with blind-hardest run etc). Lessons for all
Not finished with the vid yet but i am beyond baffled at the fe9 ch6 map even being considered here i had 0 clue that was even a gimmick i have never had anything close to an issue with that map by just playing normally that feels like you went out of your way to make it worse why do you actively want horrible movement for such little gain
I normally just have titania take care of some enemies on the left side and have everyone else charge right and then regroup when it’s time for the boss unless that strategy is absolutely needed for Japanese maniac mode or something idk why you’d do that
Bad maps not necessarily hard maps, and you'll have to listen to Dani's arguments on that as we each picked one map and I was surprised at that pick too.
@@MythrilZenith i watched the segment before commenting and even after it i dont think its a bad map just a bland one dani mentioned maniac mode in the map after it as one of the main point as why its so bad so i feel with that logic clash or the boulder map is way more deserving for the worst map in the game slot ch6 feels meh and is over in maybe 10 minutes all the other ones are such slogs
I think Leon died in 50% of my gaiden runs as a green unit, yep, indeed bad map
looking to the image, I think it's the draco zombie map on celica act 4. I think that map is fine because I seraphin and falcon knight them
the biggle map is ... annoying in a draft context with 4 units to kill the biggles. > <
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I love Anri's way in FE12 because the challenge of positioning with low move + fliers against 12 mov dragons is well made on maniac because the dragons move I think in a 2 turn approach (if you reach the unit in 2 turns, move).
the FE3 version is a slog.
FE3 dragons have 1-2 range but lower accuracy
FE12 dragons have 1 -2 range on lunatic and reverse, and 1 range on lower difficulties
in 3 is luck% (watching akira searching for the itens were funny lmao)
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the bridge key exists in fe3, but as a hidden treasure when you don't have a thief ... yeah, kaga troll moments again
thracia
the game I like the good maps and skip the bad maps. sadly
As a Law of Sacae defender, strong pairs of units with supports (increase hit and damage) can kill Monke and then you warp Roy
HHM ch11, where me and exca lost the blind stat check ironman lmao
probably I'm not going to have much to say about other games so I'm finishing the comment here
Rev Defense Force, engage!
I like Engage 23 because it makes me feel smart for pulling a Micaiah entrap on the freeze staff falcon knights and killing them all on turn 1.
1:40:30 really? the worst? i haven't played PoR, but i'm looking at his stats, and he's just... Roy 2.0. mostly the same, but actually slightly better in some areas, like his con. i don't see how he can be worse than Roy.
You're gonna have to ask Dani to explain that one, I have no explanation and don't fundamentally agree.
they are essentially the same unit but the argument is that Roy is more useful because he’s in a harder game (I disagree and think Ike’s contributions on the final 2 maps more than make up for whatever Roy does early on)
@@dooooooook3610 i mean, i haven't beaten FE6 yet so i'm unsure about this, but to be fair to Roy, doesn't he also get a big power boost for the final chapters?
@@seasaltsky Roy gets a cool 20 use weapon, Ike gets to solo 2 full maps with Ragnell and Wrath+Resolve
@@dooooooook3610 uhhh, looking at the wiki, both Ragnall and The Binding Blade are... practically the same fucking weapon. 18 might 1-2 range sword that boosts your defense. except the Binding Blade has a weight of 8, while Ike's Ragnall has a weight of... 20????? that's... actually so much worse, damn.
surprised you didn't go with the Apocalypse Gaiden or the tower Gaiden they are soooooo bad, I don't find the Forblaze Gaiden that bad tbh, since I find it fun to move fast, since there are no enemies in your way for a bit you can get ahead of the water if you bring dancer and horses, which you have a lot of because fe 6, bolting isn't that bad since it doesn't move and you can bring fliers to wait on water and use rescue to lessen space.
Dani's argument for FE9 ch6 makes no sense, you can turn nearly any map into a boring slog if you're ready to just slog your way through for safety.
Moreover FE9 always has an incentive to not turtle up because of bonus EXP and if you "always spend 6 turns" going to the edge of the forest you'll surely not make your way to the escape point in the 3 turns left after that to get max bonus EXP (even less get all your units to escape).
Granted, precise knowledge about bonus EXP needs either prior information or repeated playthroughs but Dani mentioned her making a savestate I don't think prior knowledge is out of the question.
I agree that the gimmick is weirdly implemented though, I feel replacing the forest by normal terrain and just having a line of trees at the end of the stealth area would make the gimmick less easier to approach and consider on repeated playthroughs
(personally, in like 10 playthroughs, I used this gimmick to its full extent once then just thought "why would I waste so much time" and never did it again)
I never knew one person could hold so much hate for at worse a boring fe7 hector map 💀
I consider chapter 13 of Three Houses (reunion at Dawn) the worst map in all FE that I played (7, 8, fates Conquest, Three Houses and little of engage).
If you do not know what characters you are obligated to use, it is unfair. Also, these characters may have the wrong class, items, battalions, etc.
It's interesting, because having only played 3H with primarily in-house runs (and training most if not all house members through White Clouds) I found RaD/HBD to be fairly easy and very enjoyable maps, but for anyone who did a lot more active cross-house recruiting they came out with a MUCH harder time in ch13 specifically.
they didnt talk about ch 13 in three houses, top 3 worst map ever
I maintain that the worst map in the series is hunting by daybreak.
It breaks so many rules of how to not make an absolute dumpsterfire of a map that I'm genuinely concerned that nobody spoke up during the game's creation.
So many small changes would make such a big improvement on this terrible map
Interesting you say that because I've heard several people say it was their favorite map in the game.
You can end the Ashe/Catherine paralogue early by killing one guy. You definitely don’t have to play out all the turns.
I've played 3 Houses a lot (I only played up to Hard). Here are the maps I don't care for: The Underground Chamber, The Remire Calamity, Salvation at the Chapel, The Fight for Fhirdiad, Oil and Water, Death Toll, Legend of the Lake, Foreign Land and Sky, and Forgotten Hero.
I've tried Cider Shadows on the hardest difficulty, and it isn't fun.
The worst maps in Radiant Dawn are 1-9 (cutscene map where you have to memorize the right sequence of moves) and 2-1 (total RNG garbage). 3-P and 2-3 aren't close to as bad. And fwiw, you can totally have an influence on the behavior of the green army in 3-P, though it's not something I'd expect anyone playing casually to pay attention to.
This video really, really needs timestamps
On it
Timestamps have now been added! They are in the description if YT doesn't automatically turn them into chapters. Sorry for not having them there to start!
I'm pretty sure FE3 Wyverns do have 1-2 range, it's just FE12's lower difficulties where they only have 1 range
The lack of FE5 24x bugs me lol
I have to say, The endgame of Fe4 has to be my pick for worst map. The actual map itself is fine - huge map with a lot of strong pre promotes with holy weapons. If it was just that, I'd say its just a tough map. But no, they just had to have a dozen dark mages with sleep staves that WILL (not may) incapacitate half of your army.
if it was just that annoyance than maybe it'd just be unfun, but oh surprise! Arion and his crew ambush attack the main castle! The only units guarding my main castle were a handful of scrubs that got wiped out, so I had to waste time panic warping some stronger units back to ward them off. Just an absolute snooze (pun intended).
Fair point. I nearly softlocked myself on my first run of FE4 by leaving my home castle unguarded and saving over my chapter start save with an end of turn save. Luckily I was able after MANY reloads to figure out how to get Altena to talk to Arion safely. I had kind of blocked that part out of my memory until now.
@@MythrilZenith oh you have to talk to him?! that would have saved me 5 units...
@@crenando288his group makes for a nice distraction for the Hel Sleep dark mages
Pale Flower of Darkness Jerme Edition is way worse than either of those FE7 picks. Atrocious map
I was VERY close to making it my FE7 choice, though I think it's bad in ways that aren't particularly interesting. It's a slow rout map with snow that makes it slower and an incentive to slow down even more in the form of Harken. It's annoying and non-threatening but in a way that's still frustrating. It's a bad map, to be sure, but ultimately it's skippable by going to the SLIGHTLY less painful version so I decided against putting it on my list.
My mages died last iron man so it was not skippable 😭 Also it starts with 50 enemies and constantly reinforces, so if you’re too slow and kill less than ~20 enemies, the unit cap prevents Harken from spawning lol. Understandable to include the fog poison map though, that’s bottom 5 for sure
Thank you so much for your takedown of Conquest Endgame. I’ve never felt so validated by someone’s experience of a game. I’ve had multiple doomed runs of Conquest purely because of this map, and hitting my head against it literally dozens of times. Looking around online I felt crazy for not being able to ever beat it. I truly felt like I was some kind of idiot. Seriously this was such a breath of fresh air. Thank you!
Yeah no problem! I usually try to speak through my own experience, and if it differs from the public then it doesn't always get shared, but the entire reason for this video was basically so I could write my hit-piece on Conquest Endgame and not get completely shredded for it.
42:00 Lachesis has actually a pretty easy time at staff training herself in this map, she should be able to promote at the start of chapter 3 with just arena + staff training.
- This map has an excess of gold and Dew can toss it around
- Sylvia is automatically recruited and in this map she won't be able to keep with the cavalry anyway, so she should go help staff training duties, doubling the rate of the exp gains.
Any player that already knows about all the secondary objectives of the map (be it by previous playthroughs or reading/watching guides) should probably have some grasp about staff training.
Honestly I think you are bashing Chapter 2 way too much (beyond the green cross knights RNG-suiciding themselves before you can save them, that's definitely bad design): it's a fast paced map with million of different objectives, but nothing horrible will happens if you fail some of them (it's not like you risk soft locking yourself in a future chapter), you can play it blind going slow and win without any big issue.
You will probably make lots of mistakes and miss most items, but that's fine: future chapters will teach you how to play this one more efficiently, so you will have some extra challanges with cool rewards at your second playthrough.
TBH I would consider this a good map with a bad rep.
Guys you need to play more FE12 to know about its maps better 😂 Nice video otherwise. Impressive how you talk for 3 hours straight
FE12 is definitely a game that I feel has a lot more for me to learn about it, but it doesn't put me off of it with being overly complex like Fates or 3h.
@@MythrilZenith Yes FE12 has simple mechanics but complex map design/AI. Since you seemed to like FE11, I imagine you will probably like 12 too
In my personal opinion, I think chapter 2 of fe4 should be in so bad I quit the game, solely due to the fact that it's literally true lol. There are so many people who try to play fe4 hearing how good it is and stop playing here. It's so bad that I think it's safe to say that more people quit the game playing this map then didn't.
Literally everyone who hates fe4 points to this map. Most of the terrible maps in Fire Emblem are so close to the end of the game that you might as well preserve, but this being chapter 2 makes a really bad first impression for a lot of players.
I feel your pain. As much I love FE4, I can't help but understand. It's probably the only chapter I dislike in that game.
Geoffrey's Charge is great. You have to turn off animations for sure, but that's usually a good idea anyway. It's fun to use units you don't need to worry about investing in because you can just do whatever. Go unga bunga and who cares about EXP (and max out your BEXP).
There's a speedwing on the map but it's droppable. The hidden item is an Arms Scroll, which is not important.
You can rescue drop Devdan if you want him up there. You can afford get some kills here and there and still get max or close to max BEXP because of the reinforcements.
Hunting by daybreak deserved to be on here. It is easily the worst map in the series
fe4 chapter 4 is total cheeks agree on that but i think chapter 2 is like, one of my favorite maps from that game and while i definitely understand it has annoying shit i do also think you two are being kinda unfair to it in places for a few reasons
1. FE4 is a game with autosaves every single turn. Even if you get your foolproof strategy screwed by Bordeaux's 14% chance to block a hit, you're only losing one turn of work to a reset. Getting the Bargain Band is also not so unreasonably tight that getting a single great shield proc will completely kill your ability to obtain it, but I digress.
2. The Cross Knights literally do not move until you recruit Lachesis. If you don't want them to run off and potentially lose you the Silver Lance, you can simply not recruit her until he is dead. (Doing this will also make actually defeating the initial squad of Heirhein knights easier since Sigurd is free to use his turn to kill something...)
3. Claiming you'd need a guide to know which house holds the Bargain Band is like, actually complete nonsense. The Bargain Band house is always the first one the bandits reach, and as such will always be the one closest to being destroyed. Trying to save the village that's only a couple turns away from dying is literally just common sense.
4. Deirdre needs to gain 4 points of HP to be able to survive 2 attacks from the Mackily ballistae. This may sound unreasonable, but...keep in mind that each use of the Silence Staff gives 100 EXP, you had two arenas to get Deirdre some experience in, she can potentially level from healing people, base Deirdre is set up to be able to Miracle tank Waltz's squad with a +80% avoid boost, and with the Magic Ring she can literally oneshot all of the cavaliers on the map.
5. IDK I just think the fact that there ARE all these interconnected conditions you have to fullfill to get everything makes the map...fun? I like how hectic the start of the map feels. I like the push and pull dynamic with wanting to get Lachesis close enough to get some heals in but far away enough that the paladin squad doesn't off themselves. Or sometimes I just say fuck it and let them go in and do my best to keep them alive. And on top of all this it's when the game starts to really open up with the resource allocation and such that defines the rest of the generation. (As opposed to being "Only Sigurd Can Kill Anything" like the first two maps...)
PoR Ch 6 is super easy (barely an inconvenience) to fix. Just charge out of the forest immediately and ignore the gimmick. The left side isn't actually better anyway.
That being said, if you really want to fix it properly, just add a whole bunch of extra deployment positions that you can choose from that represent the various places to attack from all along the treeline.
I recently played RD for the first time recently, Geoffrey's Charge felt like the worst fe map I have ever played. Also it was first playthrough so I couldn't even turn the animations off...
Because i cannot stfu about my opinions, here are some other egregious maps that couldve made this list;
Fe4: Chapter 11; I've already made a comment about why I dislike the endgame chapter of Genealogy, but all I'll say about it is that I used the rescue glitch to give Erys infinite move to deal with the pincer attack of armor knights and cavs, and even then it was not easy at all. Annoying and unfun, bordering on quit the game
Thracia: Chapter 12 - The one where you get Mareeta and can recruit Salem; its not the hardest map in the world, but it's a fog of war level with Salem spamming his sleep stave as soon as youre in his range. The brigands aren't too threatening, but if youre not careful with Mareeta and she's attacked by a brigand from the top right corner, bye-bye Mareeta. Salem only has three sleep uses but sleep lasts for the entire map and drops ALL a unit's stats to 0 - hope your unit didnt get stuck in the forest and get hit by the dozen or so bandits! As an aside, the thickets being invisible makes taking any mounted unit a chore of dismounting in the forest, or staying mounted and having two move. Definitely belongs in annoying and unfun.
Fe6: Chapter 14- when i first played Binding Blade I'd certainly agree that 14x is more BS than 14... but 14 is definitely the worst map on a blind playthrough. I wont go over everything that sucks about it, but i think its the 2nd worst map of Binding Blade.
Fe7: Battle before Dawn. This map took me over 40 takes on NORMAL mode alone. Next!
Fe11: Wooden Cavalry; Ballista spam. Need I say more? (I will) I'll admit I've only played it on Normal mode, so I'm gonna assume it's even worse on harder difficulties. The ballistae wall out any DracoKnight that you got unless you reclass them to Paladin, plus the sheer amount of pot shots youll be taking will severely hinder how far a unit can go at a time. Boring for sure
I could keep going but I've said my piece. Really hoping we get a best map tier list some time soon!
SoV is a game that has good everything except maps. I still put it as the best fire emblem game despite the bad maps
No battle before dawn? Unsubbed disliked reported.
I already have an entire video on BBD I didn't want to retread old ground lol
@@MythrilZenith understandable! If I were to guess based on ur points in that vid I'd say it would be in the "didn't quite work" tier which I'd agree with! It has a lot of amazing ideas bogged down by RNG and the incredibly strict time limit in HHM.
I feel like FE4 Ch9/For Whose Sake deserves an honorary mention. It has the best and worst elements of genealogy together on one map. The theming and story integration is awesome, the three pronged attack on the castles was fun and Arion is one of my favorite bosses in the game. Meanwhile, recruiting Hannibal and Sharlow/Coirpre is annoying and uninteresting and it has the largest stretches of empty space with no enemies and, unlike the ch4 backtrack, you can’t easily circumvent it with well planned return and warp use.
The snow map in Revelation isn't THAT bad - The map is small and you just chip away at it, it doesn't take longer than 10-15 minutes. I'd say that fucking wind tunnel map with Fuga and Hayato is way worse; narrow pathways combined with a gimmick that isolates your units, forcing you to move out of the way.
fe 4 is fun but the maps suck because they are way way too big. and literally only the mounts are usable. and nobody else gets any use except for like gen 2 map in thracia where the first 2 'chapters' of the map just run at you so you can spam the most broken strat ever of base abuse. hahahh
I definitely dislike the first map of Hector mode in fe7 but Dani it is never the first map in the game. You have to complete two entire games in order to have permission to play this awful map
Oh you went there xD
I will never forget the time that I was near the end of 3-P, and Skrimir untransformed and got critkilled by the boss’s crossbow. 🫠