I worked at a classic Mustang restoration and service shop circa 2010. A customer brought in a 65 convertible he just purchased to have some small things addressed. We lifted it on the rack and it was visually bending. The underside was spray foam and fiberglass. Unfortunately for the seller our customer was a lawyer. Within a week he had his money back. Honestly this car is beyond repair from a financial standpoint. From a shop standpoint this is a losing proposition and I wouldn't recommend working on it.
I've had a few cars bend over the years luckily they were in there way to the big scrap yard in the sky. And I absolutely agree it's not financially viable or smart to fix this one
Only way it would be viable is if a big TH-camr took it on. That has lots of subscribers to where they'd get enough views to more than pay for their time and effort to repair. Sadly this TH-cam channel doesn't have enough subscribers or likes on the video to make it popular enough for it to more than pay for itself.
Most 1960s Mustang convertibles will bend a little bit at the door when put on a lift. Those cars were cheaply built back then. They were a low priced ride. So 50 years later I'm not really surprised
I agree with what you said in the beginning, find a donor car. The person that bought this car must be stupid because you pointed out all the garbage, and yet they what to get burned some more!!! Once bitten twice shy!!! There are so many six cylinder mustangs out there today that are so cheap, it would be easy to find a donor!! Thanks for all your hard work sir!!!
A lot easier to find a decent Mustang (hundreds of thousands produced) than, let's say an AMX, Rebel, Cuda, Skylark, F-85, etc. etc. @@rolandthethompsongunner64
I remember buying muscle cars right after I got my driver's license, back then you'd think you got ripped off if it needed a few hundred dollars in repairs. How I would love to have any of them back, especially the 72 firebird
You exposed the cold hard facts to the owner. I'm not in your line of business, but in mine, I quickly learned how to politely decline jobs that were not in my best interest to do. It is all about managing expectations and fairness to you and your customers. Kept my business healthy for twenty years.
Too many shops can't turn down any work because they're broke and need that deposit. KNOWING they don't have the expertise or manpower they need to get some money out of the customer...then the car sits outside for two years.
My heart skipped a beat when I saw that 1970 or 1971 Ford Torino at the beginning. Those and the small bumper Mavericks have always captured my attention.
Hot rod guy, can a person go after the seller & sue for something like this. It's a shame a person can do a thing like this. Morol of the question is money is a root of evil
I want to make a BIG Shout out out to you for your honesty, Integrity & outright decency & Passion for making this video! I am reminded how, a long time ago, a local guy bought a Hemi Cuda for huge money, and the car was so bad it was not even salvageable! Every panel was destroyed & covered. He ended up buying another body & creating a restomod! The money he spent on the car was basically thrown away! We all felt bad for him! Cars can be a steep learning curve for the uninitiated. It's not due to a lack of knowledge, not stupidity!
Great job on this video. As a former 1960 Falcon owner (or pre-production Mustang!), I can appreciate everything you found. I had an original car with 35000 miles on it and it was in my family, but a 50 to 60 year old car is going to have some structural issues especially the early Ford unibody cars and trucks. Driver side floors, cowl, subframe rust, trunk floor, rear wheel wells and on and on. That Mustang was most likely blown apart pretty far to screw it up that bad. That's the real crime. Luckily the owner was not killed driving to your garage.
Someone got blinded by reasonably shiny paint. You don’t even need a hoist to see all the ridiculous welds and gaps on that thing. I bought my ‘74 Charger knowing that it had some dodgy rust repairs in the ducktail area, but I KNEW it had that. The seller didn’t try to hide it, and the price I paid reflected that. That Mustang? Holy crap, I’ve seen better cars in the wrecking yard. Thanks for the video. You’ve got a new subscriber from Australia! 👍
Oh my Lord! I had a few body issues with my 1966 Convertible I bought in 2018 - mainly rust holes in the convertible top roof well gutter - which required some expert fabrication, respray etc. She needed a new top anyways, which I knew when I bought her. But the rest of the car was great and the engine/running gear was already a work of art. Looking at this though, my problems were miniscule. I feel for the owner - I know the feeling when you find "the car" and it speaks to you. Sad that this one was a cry for help :( You're a great bloke for caring enough to point all this out and offer the owner practical options.
As a mechanic you'd see the occasional 'flipper nightmare' roll through the shop. One guy brought in his late 60's Mustang convertible one evening for an alignment. The car looked great until I got the car up in the air and realized the rear torque boxes were completely rotted out. The rear suspension was not tied into the car and that was the 'alignment' problem. He told me he had the car redone for big money, he wanted an old car for his daily driver so he spent new car money on it. Needless to say he was pretty upset, and they will try to take it out on the guy trying to show them the problems. I tried to calm him down and remind him I didn't do anything to him, not my fault. Reminded me of this car in the video, sad story.
You’re a good man, glad this popped up on my feed. I’ve been burned by a classic car dealer myself out of Michigan in the past. You’ve got a new subscriber.
Just found your channel. Was driving behind you coming back from Walmart a coupler hours ago and saw your window sticker (was in the red RAM). You earned a new sub Sir!
i always wanted a ford falcon ranchero when i got my licence in the 60's, Its good for kids to fix stuff up themselves no matter how bad their work is.
I realize now how lucky I was to get a rust free mustang last year that has a straight body and very few issues (mostly electrical) in comparison. It helped that my father in-law used to restore classic cars and the car came from someone in his club who took care of their pride and joy for decades before deciding to sell to me. Good luck to you and the owner on a safe rebuild.
You're a good man for setting him straight about that car. And you're right. It is one hot mess and absolutely dangerous. Lots of hours and money will be needed to fix it completely. Might be better to cut his loss and invest any rebuild money into a better car.
I feel so sorry for the buyer, he must be devastated. I plan on buying a classic when I have the money so this is a lesson learned to get an expert to go through the car first.
As a restorer, fortunately living in no rust Arizona, I would not touch that thing. I'm currently doing a Porsche 914, the only thing I replaced was the battery tray.
Yes , But ... This Type of Thing , PURPOSELY AND WILLFULLY SCAMMING / CHEATING POOR AND EXCITED UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE ... WITH COMPLETE " BASKET CASE " BUTCHERED CLASSIC CARS ... IS ACTUALLY NOT FUNNY AT ALL ... ! ITS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY F ' N CRIMINAL ... ! AND THE PREVIOUS ORIGINAL SELLER , AND THE SUPPOSED " REPAIR SHOP " OF THESE HORRIBLE / HORRENDOUS CARS ... SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TAKEN TO COURT AND SUED BIG TIME ... ! THERE NEEDS TO BE AN " IRON CLAD " LAW ESTABLISHED AGAINST ANYONE EVEN TRYING TO SELL / PASS OFF SUCH HORRIBLE AND COMPLETELY UNSAFE CARS AND TRUCKS LIKE THESE ... !
I feel your pain. I worked at stuff like this for many years. Lots of satisfaction getting the cars put back together correctly. But not a lot of pay for the endless hours spent on them.
Thats why you only restore the cars you own and want to own it till you die that way or cars from customers they pay you a good price for every hour you work and every part you spend on their car and not for package price for your work or body shop...that every single time turn into a money pit and hour grave for the shop and mechanic...good work and good parts cost time,knowledge and MONEY.... And a good restoration and paintjob on a rare car with expensive and super rare parts(if they are buiable...after hours or days..or weeks searching for parts...time for that the customer has to pay too!!! Or If the parts not availible you have to reproduce them them from scratch-not only panels...sometimes you have to cast and mashine a complete cylinderhead or engineblock by youreself...) can easily cost the same like a nice house with a big property or a new supersports or luxury car....i saw people throw the price for a new ferrari,lambo or bentley in old cars like a early vw beetle, vw samba van or old mini cooper.....but they are better than new after leaving the garage and probably last forever with properly maintane and in a good home.....
@@garylivingston9052 what i wrote earlyer to that....enjoy working on youre own car or take the right amount of money for it(actual dealership price for a hour in the workshop- in germany for example are 280-350euros per hour- for everything you do for other peoples old cars...including searching for parts and issues on that vehicle....properly work needs properly -expensive- equipment, knowledge, passion...and time+willing to do it right and best as possible in absolute every thinkable way...best repairmethods, best and/or original and sometimes difficult to get parts....(the mercedes benz classic center in sindelfingen can reproduce every single part thats needed...old pre 1950 cylinderheads for example -when ordered- where handcast ...after old blueprints in the castingmanufacture by mclaren for mercedes and mashined in sindelfingen..... Okay...some cylinderhead or block can cost up to 80k euros-and you need probably two of them for some projects- but you can rebuild almost anything properly....when you get the right money to do it...if not...people get shitty repaired, bondo filled, rust buckets in resell red..... glued together and with weaky point weldings....and pays also "a lot" of money...not for the car itself....but for prepairing it after right....and yes...this hobby is expensive and if you do it not youreself... Every old car repair or restoration -also modells like a old beetle or minis can cost easily more than buying a new dreamcar like lambo or ferrari from factory or buy a house with property....for normal people only makeable if you learn to do it youreself and probably only one car over the whole lifetime....buyed after getting youre first job and finished long after retierement...
Then dont work for free. Tell the customer what it take to do the job right. If they dont like it, move on the next customer. I say that as a restoration shop owner
OK, the metal work is terrible, the paint is bad, the booger welds suck, but the absolutely unforgivable part is the chrome Autozone special "GT 289" stick on letters!😆
The best thing when buying a “restored” or previous repaint classic vehicle is having a restoration shop or someone who really knows classic cars look at it! This is more important than a mechanic at this point. Body work on a classic can easily far outweigh the cost of drivetrain parts
I just found your channel. I have restored cars for over 30 years and am a retired mechanic in the rust belt of southern Ontario. Do yourself a favour and run away from that car. If you do any work on that car there is no telling where your personal liability will end up. That car is as bad as it gets . Rusty piles of junk are honest and apparent. Cars like this are far worse because to the casual observer they appear solid. We both know a couple of good pot holes, a rough railroad crossing or dumping the clutch is going to tear the back of that car apart . I feel bad for the new owner and I feel bad for you getting involved.
I'm definitely on the fence on even touching it unless he goes the route I want to take. He has another 65 shelll that just needs minor repairs I've urged him to bring it and use what metal can be salvaged out of this car as a donor
He can use that other original body or an Acorn? body that is ALL new, aligned, primed, sealed, ready for bodywork and paint. I see this body costing 100k+ to repair properly with quality patch panels and the labor to do quality assembly of the parts! That's NOT including paint and bodywork! The VIN tag can be swapped LEGALLY and made much more safe to drive. There are only a few, rare option cars, that creates reasons to double your hard earned money into that abomination! Just removing and replacing the janky quarters, fenders, and floor "patches" would be 40k with parts and labor 😡 I get buying your "dream car", that is a NIGHTMARE, NOT a dream. I feel bad for that person, probably my favorite year Mustang! Sad, sad, vehicle for what he probably paid 😢
@@HotRodGuyGarage Honestly, I'd wash my hands of that car. Most of my work has been mechanical, and I've refused to do Mechanical work on cars "fixed" that poorly, or just so rusty they weren't safe. It's your name - and possibly home and everthing you've worked for - on the line here. Lose one customer & save your reputation and everything you've worked your adult life for. Worth losing one customer to me.
I worked at a vintage/classic car restoration shop for 27 years. I did mechanical only, no bodywork and paint or interior. But I've seen a lot of stuff like this. It's unbelievable how much of this is out there. I've seen a bunch of Uncle Tony's videos on this stuff, Kiwi's does a lot of videos on it as well. I don't do bodywork, but I wouldn't touch that car with a 10 foot pole. There is no way to fix it right. You're right about it not being straight, and it would be almost impossible to make it straight. The cost of just trying to make it safe to drive would far exceed the value of the car. And if the owner ever does get into an accident in it, and gets killed or seriously injured, and they find out what kind of condition the car is in, you could wind up getting sued. It's just not worth it. I also watch a channel called DD Speed Shop. He is currently in the process of rebuilding a '67 Camaro. And he has replaced about 90% of the metal on the car, including the rear frame rails. But he kept it straight, and it's actually stronger than it was to begin with. And he is an "amateur". I would take any good mechanical parts off this car and crush the rest, so somebody else does not wind up with it. Obviously it's up to the owner, but I would not do any work on it at all. You could be setting yourself up for a real f**ked up day.
This type of work isn't done only by flippers. There are many people in the classic car hobby that are inexperienced, working on a budget, have to worry what the wife says, just want to get it back on the road and are doing this type of stuff. I have seen way too many people who shouldn't be working on old cars because they think it is easy or have been told it is easy. To do a car right it has to be completely gone through in order to be right and safe. Even a nice unrestored car needs to be completely serviced inside and out.
I bought a 69 z28 like 20 years ago just like that. In the pics that orange with black stripes sure was pretty. When the guys was unloading if off the trailer the rust was just falling off the floors. I knew then I screwed up. I chalked that up as to a very costly learning experience with working with old cars. I now know what to look for. We all have to learn somehow!!!
As these older cars start approaching prices that rival new cars people are getting complacent especially with the internet, thinking anything ‘for sale’ has some sort of guarantee or is backed … there’s a reason why the ‘perfect’ ones are starting to rival exotic pricing because they are practically exotics at this point. As they say you get what you pay for 🙃
Hi I'm a Brit, really enjoy the videos. Over here cars over 30 years old don't need an annual inspection (normally for cars over 3 years old). But you can take them for one, costs £45 , used as an indicator the cars not made from spit and tissue paper.
I'd hate to see that one come into the shop. You're absolutely right, a new shell is the best way to go. The "repairs" on it actually made it worse. It didn't even look like it was that bad to start with, they just rushed it with no regard at all to any kind of quality. I don't even know what to think of that mess. I'll subscribe to your channel to see how it works out. You've got a pile of welding to do just to make it hold up. What a shame
Years ago, I put a couple together a little like that. Had limited resources and a good imagination. But not to resell for big money, but to enjoy for myself. Live and learn
When I go to classic car shows, I always wonder how much work was put into some of the nice cars. Like, what’s the history? How much body work was put in. Is everything the owner claims as “original” telling the truth and etc. When I go out and buy classic cars, I’m going to buy a vehicle that hasn’t been restored - that is great shape, low mileage, and so forth. It’s scary to go out and spend 10K plus on a car that has been fully restored looking trophy winning. That is why I’m probably never going to really buy a fully restored car that has had a full off frame resto as tempting as it is. Thank heavens I also know what I’m looking for when I’m shopping for a classic car. I’ve been buying and selling classic cars for a long time and all my cars I’ve owned, knock on wood, were all original, intact, in great shape! I feel bad for the guy who bought this Stang, but the person has a lot to learn and I assume he must be a young guy probably excited about this vehicle - probably his first purchase.We all have to begin somewhere at some point, but when I was young, just out of high school, I already knew what I needed to do - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Russ, I am just watching this vid for the first time as I caught this build from the middle. Wow! I knew this car was bad, I didn’t realize it was this bad! Jesus H. Christ, you have had to reconstruct the whole thing!
Since the project is going on hold for awhile, figured I'd go back and see what you started with. Not sure this is even a good parts car. You did some real magic on this to get to the way it sits today. Thx!
Thanks for the video! I'm interested in seeing 👀 more on this Mustang. Unfortunately I Understand all to well about buyer be aware. I sold my '65 Mustang a couple of years ago because I knew it was a rot box. Back in 1985, long before I owned it, it received an extensive "bondo" makeover. The girl who owned it thought she got a top notch job. She stopped driving it by 1989: paint started a crackin, and chipping off. Fast forward to November 2018. I purchase it seeing the rust, knowing that it hasn't run in almost 30 years, but I also realize that it is a slightly rare car. It was built in October of 1964, for the 1965 model year. But it had a lot of the "64.5" built parts on it from the factory. It also was a factory 289 automatic car. I got it running and driving for a short time before brake lines started popping. After going through it, I decided to sell it because I was not in a position to be able to do a proper restoration of the car. The gentleman who bought it, is a professional body guy. We went over the details and he was fine with it. He sends me pictures of the project: and man alive, it was a project! But, it was done right! After 4.5 years of hard work, it's done. And it looks like it did rolling out of the factory; original color (Prairie Bronze Metallic) and all. My 1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator was another one. The previous owner who drove it in the mid to late '80's did what he could to hide rot to pass inspection. This included metal TAPE and undercoating over the top of the rot holes in the frame rails 😱. He also pop- riveted beer cans over the rot on the fenders, doors, rockers, and quarters. Completed with bondo and primer. He had no idea how Dangerous the 1/2 ass cover-up was to the framework. I found it by accident leaning against the frame next to where the steering mounted. If I went for a drive, Guarantee I would have crashed. Being everything is only zip screwed and snot welded on your Mustang should make for easy disassembly; possibly for re-use. I know it's cheap aftermarket stuff, and it will need some extra work to line up the gaps, but it would help keep the costs down. The upper cowl can be purchased in 1 piece; that's what the guy did to my old '65 since it was so bad. 😎🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
SURE THERE R GREAT FINDS BUT NOT EVERYONE IS THAT LUCKY.. GREAT CONTENT THANK YOU. THAT TORIINO IS A GEM. VERY NICE N BEAUTIFULL.. THE COST OF EVERYTHING IS THRU THE ROOF... THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO CRAP AT HIGH SPEEDS.. I DRIVE JOLOPYS NOW..JUST FROM A TO B.
Finally a 65 mustang that makes mine look good. Been slowly rusting in a barn for the past 35yrs I've owned. I see a nice one and then visit mine, get sad, and walk away until I see another one the cycle repeats.
I am not a professional body man and my welds aren’t pretty but a restomod I built for a relative survived a rear end collision without being totaled. I was really happy none of my welds broke because there were a lot of them. My shop teacher in HS , late 70’s, told me I welded like a gorilla, ugly and strong. He said if he needed a plow repaired I was the man but if it needed to look good I needed to brush up on my grinder skills.
Just yesterday I saw a video on a 1974 Plymouth that was sold from Mecum’s Auto Sales. It had major flaws with one being that it didn’t have the 340 v8 engine and instead had a 318 v8 engine. Wrong build plates and vin #’s. An absolute Monstrosity !
"I prefer not to buy old cars, no matter their year, make or model. I don't want to deal with repairing hidden issues or worn-out parts. Old cars are usually scrapped because they are beyond repair or restoration. Modern vehicles are better because they handle, brake, heat, cool, and steer better, and require less maintenance. I don't have the time or desire for constant maintenance and adjustments. I believe the best solution is to buy a new, high-quality, warrantied vehicle and maintain it well. When it's no longer usable, I'll junk it and purchase a new one. It's a simple solution."
When you told us the price he paid. WOW! I would never pay that for a coup. I have a restomod 65 I restored myself. I learned how to weld body panels on it and though my first repairs in 2001 were not as hacked as these are. I finally after experimenting on other builds started and finished the 65 in 2012. Took me ten years on other cars to feel good enough to fix the one I have. In 2000 I paid 1600 for two 65 mustangs. One complete and one parts car. Sold the complete car for a little more than both and started my journey. Now my car must be worth 50k if this is what people are paying for these or more.
We have a classic car dealer locally that does work like this. Unfortunately they have a decent reputation because most of their customers are retirees or otherwise people who don't know what to look for. Took me less than 5 minutes on their lot to discover that this was the type of vehicle they were selling. Also had a customer bring in a 67 gto they purchased. Only to find the car had been halved. Literally cut in half and a different rear half of a car booger welded on. We broke the news to him
Same thing happened to me with a 79 Trans Am (that was half 77 Formula…), but it was a very cheap roller (back in college). That was all my savings then so I was devastated! Can’t imagine finding that to be the case on a very high dollar “restored” car.
I agree this should and could possibly be criminal maybe. Either way it can not be driven until repaired. So sorry for the owner. Good luck I hope it can be saved though.
I saw one like this for sale, sadly it was a long term project for a guy who didn't know what he was doing and did it the cheap way- drywall screws, wire nuts and pieces of solid wire were used. It was shiny I will give it that and being sold by the family after he passed away- I pointed out that it was a sketchy deathtrap but they just had dollar signs in their eyes, they had it for sale for at least 3 years and then it dissapeared, hopefully it went for parts
Interesting video. My only experience with body work is with our race cars. Which is an anything goes deal as long as tech passes. Most consumers have no clue how a modern unibody car is constructrd. Its a bunch of pinch seems an spot welds. Cavaliers are glued together. What happens is they rust out all along whatever magic pixie dust GM bonds their panels with. We end up cutting and putting bar stock in places we know get hit all the time. Because rubbin is racing... That being said new cars also crumple for a reason to absorb the impact. It also means we can pull a car back to mostly straight even after an accident.
I feel bad for the new owner. He got robbed. I think the safest/best thing to do to fix this is to buy a new 1965 body and rebuild it. Unfortunately, that is very expensive. Hope everything works out for the owner.
I’d call the person who sold him this car and tell him I want the good money I paid him for his valuable car back.. and offer him your lawyers number if he’s not being agreeable…..
There was a reason why they called these “Rustangs”. It was built off a Falcon- a cheap econobox that if look closely enough would rust right before your eyes.
@@stevieg2755 I've known about Maple Motors for a long time. The sell mostly junk, and they have a tendency to sell "fake" or "clone" cars without explicitly disclosing that they are not the real thing. But I'm pretty sure they would not sell anything like this. They have been around for a long time, and they would have been shut down a long time ago if they sold something this dangerous. I would not buy a car from them, you are going to get scammed, but you are not likely to wind up with something anywhere near this bad.
Greetings from Ireland, i can remember years ago looking a "totally restored" 1965 Mini Cooper S. It looked beautiful but alarm bells were ringing withing 2 minutes. I had taken a torch with me and was about to look below it and my father was wrapping a magnet in a rubber glove to hunt for the body filler . The guys comment was you can do all that when you buy it but i think you cant afford it!!!! We could smell the fresh paint and see empty body filler cans on the bench . We found out later that it had been sold as a parts car, about 9 weeks before we saw it.Someone had been burning the midnight oil!
Thanks for watching! I once went to look at a 1955 Chevrolet sedan and when I arrived the guy was spreading filler in rust holes lol needless to say he kept them 😆 .
@@HotRodGuyGarage wow that is crazy ,you didn't need a magnet, his reaction must have been priceless!!!! A lot of us might have patched up a wreck in our late teens to drive spending hundreds of pounds rather than tens of thousands. Those memories of a mint car at Easter ,knowing that the bubbles and cracked filler would have burst out in about January of the next year! My father did all the structural welding so that it was safe, for him it was tyres, brakes and structure .
If you want to get into the classic car market and have no experience, hire someone like the man in this video to accompany you on your purchase. It will be money well spent
Wow. All I can say is I would be afraid to put it on a lift and get under it. One rough railroad track and it’s all in pieces all over the road.😳
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This is one of those "cut your loses ASAP and move on" situations. this particular car is not worth a half way fix, it either needs to be completely torn down and professionally redone (which in this case is cost prohibitive since there are thousands of other 65 Mustangs out there in a lot better shape. The new owner needs to chalk it up to a loss for his inexperience and move on..I know it sounds harsh but it will actually save him a lot of money in the future. As a mechanic I would not even take on such a mess... way too much liability and headaches.
The $17K a person would spend on a Dynacorn Body is a lot cheaper than to repair that car and do it correctly. I agree with you with advising the customer not to use the shell.
Looks mostly like an 80's fixer-upper, when these things were just old cars. They weren't worth much and kids stuck them together with stop sign floorboards and cheap patch panels, or inches of Bondo. Cover everything not visible in tar to slow the rust and then drive it like they stole it. Very few of such cars survived a summer back then. This isn't "botched"; it was the best someone could do with the materials and skills they had 30+ years ago, and was never expected to last.
If this was done in the 80’s as you suggest the red spray paint on the inside of the rear wheels would not be new. It is a botched job be any definition.
this wasn't a bunch of kids patching their car together as best they could. This was a shop that totally hacked this car together as quickly, and cheaply as they could. Just that issue with the crossmember alone! You couldn't find ANY bolt to fit in that hole? Or were things so misaligned that there was no hope of getting that bolt in? This is a prime example of a shop ripping people off and shoving shoddy workmanship out the door just to make a quick, and hefty, buck!
There was an 80s toyota pickup near me when I was in the market for an old truck, looked beautiful cosmetic wise, since it was at a mom and pop dealership the mechanics let me put it up in the air on the lift to take a look. The bottom looked freshly painted and I knew something was up, found where the frame was rusted through near a leaf spring joint and was filled with spray foam and painted over, insta walk away to say the least lol. At least the mechanics were real ones and let me put that thing up
That Mustang in Australia can have another nasty surprise. The fella complained the steering box kept coming loose. The problem the car was converted to right hand drive. Slight lack of strength the right. .
l returned to the beginning of the build series and sadly noticed MY last comment from EIGHT months ago is the last comment. I was certain there would be more recent comments than that! It's difficult to believe that during that time no one had viewed this without leaving some kind of comment. Most likely your state doesn't have a Vehicle Safety Inspection of any type as having this should discourage car flippers. Such a system isn't all bad - you don't worry so much that "the other guy" isn't as likely to be driving junk.
I’m going to say this…second comment from me as I keep watching this video…I’m from the Midwest and saw a few really bad cars and trucks in my years. But legit…Alabama and Florida was next level for hack work. How can anyone be remotely comfortable with the idea of selling a car in that condition 😒
Wow! Worst surprise I got on my IROC was a surprise “fuel pump access hatch” where the lazy PO cut a hole in the floor pan…and cut into the gas tank by mistake! idiot I once sold a super rusty (but visually decent) 75 T/A for $100. the guy couldn’t believe me on the phone- how could you sell it so cheap…we’ll take one look underneath and you’ll understand! Leaf shackles wanted to blow through the trunk on bumps.
That GT 289 nonsense on the side should have been a major red flag.
Absolutely
It was pretty comical seeing that.
Straight ricer activity!👍
Obviously the buyer is totally ignorant of cars.
HAHA Yup!
Thank you for being a man with integrity and probably saving the buyer’s life.
Id never turn a bolt on that car.
Its a shit storm looking land on somebody.
A straight-shooter with integrity and common sense. Glad your channel showed up in my feed. Time to binge-watch!
Thanks for watching
I worked at a classic Mustang restoration and service shop circa 2010. A customer brought in a 65 convertible he just purchased to have some small things addressed. We lifted it on the rack and it was visually bending. The underside was spray foam and fiberglass. Unfortunately for the seller our customer was a lawyer. Within a week he had his money back. Honestly this car is beyond repair from a financial standpoint. From a shop standpoint this is a losing proposition and I wouldn't recommend working on it.
I've had a few cars bend over the years luckily they were in there way to the big scrap yard in the sky. And I absolutely agree it's not financially viable or smart to fix this one
Only way it would be viable is if a big TH-camr took it on. That has lots of subscribers to where they'd get enough views to more than pay for their time and effort to repair. Sadly this TH-cam channel doesn't have enough subscribers or likes on the video to make it popular enough for it to more than pay for itself.
A “He” bought that car, dummy.
Most 1960s Mustang convertibles will bend a little bit at the door when put on a lift. Those cars were cheaply built back then. They were a low priced ride. So 50 years later I'm not really surprised
Well at least you have a good engine and transmission
Shiny paint has fooled many a person into buying basically dangerous junk.
I don’t know how. A drive around the block in that rattle trap one would have to be a complete fool to buy that pos. 😂
You are 100 percent correct. Putting "lipstick on a pig" has fooled a lot of people.
That's true, however not even the paint looks that good.
Nowadays everyone is buying over priced junk. That just gets passed from one sucker to another
That looks like a 14 year old me fixing up my dream car with my part time bagboy budget.
Chicken wire, fiberglass and bondo. Built a 57 Chevy convert on a gas pumper 16 year old budget.
I'd rather see that then hacked in metal work any day
Sounds like you lived the same teenage years as I did 😂
Exactly!! These cars were just old junk cars in 80s and 90s. Only ones buying them were broke teenagers and guys in early 20s.
Yeah, I could say I was probably guilty of some of that type of stuff like the sealer around the inner wheel houses type of stuff when I was a kid.
I agree with what you said in the beginning, find a donor car. The person that bought this car must be stupid because you pointed out all the garbage, and yet they what to get burned some more!!! Once bitten twice shy!!! There are so many six cylinder mustangs out there today that are so cheap, it would be easy to find a donor!! Thanks for all your hard work sir!!!
Definitely needs a donor shell
Sure. So easy to find a donor for a 60’s era muscle car. 😂
A lot easier to find a decent Mustang (hundreds of thousands produced) than, let's say an AMX, Rebel, Cuda, Skylark, F-85, etc. etc. @@rolandthethompsongunner64
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 For a 1st gen mustang, it is. They made 100's of thousands, and there are clean mustang bodies around.
In the south. In the north are rare and big money for junk.
I remember buying muscle cars right after I got my driver's license, back then you'd think you got ripped off if it needed a few hundred dollars in repairs. How I would love to have any of them back, especially the 72 firebird
That man needs an attorney before you even start on that car
Damn that’s bad!! Some people have no business whatsoever building cars! God job pointing everything out and trying to bring awareness to buyers! 👍🏻
I can't believe he did not inspect this closer, as it has so many red flags it's unbelievable !!!! Thanks for sharing.
Im not a mechanic, so I paid for a pre-inspection. Worth every penny.
You exposed the cold hard facts to the owner. I'm not in your line of business, but in mine, I quickly learned how to politely decline jobs that were not in my best interest to do. It is all about managing expectations and fairness to you and your customers. Kept my business healthy for twenty years.
Too many shops can't turn down any work because they're broke and need that deposit. KNOWING they don't have the expertise or manpower they need to get some money out of the customer...then the car sits outside for two years.
My heart skipped a beat when I saw that 1970 or 1971 Ford Torino at the beginning. Those and the small bumper Mavericks have always captured my attention.
This is criminal. The person who did this work should be in prison!
They definitely shouldn't be building cars
Hot rod guy, can a person go after the seller & sue for something like this. It's a shame a person can do a thing like this. Morol of the question is money is a root of evil
@@jefflong4349 I'm sure there is some sort of recourse that could be taken
Buyer beware.
No they shouldn't. The buyer should have had it inspected first!!!
I want to make a BIG Shout out out to you for your honesty, Integrity & outright decency & Passion for making this video! I am reminded how, a long time ago, a local guy bought a Hemi Cuda for huge money, and the car was so bad it was not even salvageable! Every panel was destroyed & covered. He ended up buying another body & creating a restomod! The money he spent on the car was basically thrown away! We all felt bad for him! Cars can be a steep learning curve for the uninitiated. It's not due to a lack of knowledge, not stupidity!
Great job on this video. As a former 1960 Falcon owner (or pre-production Mustang!), I can appreciate everything you found. I had an original car with 35000 miles on it and it was in my family, but a 50 to 60 year old car is going to have some structural issues especially the early Ford unibody cars and trucks. Driver side floors, cowl, subframe rust, trunk floor, rear wheel wells and on and on. That Mustang was most likely blown apart pretty far to screw it up that bad. That's the real crime. Luckily the owner was not killed driving to your garage.
Someone got blinded by reasonably shiny paint.
You don’t even need a hoist to see all the ridiculous welds and gaps on that thing. I bought my ‘74 Charger knowing that it had some dodgy rust repairs in the ducktail area, but I KNEW it had that. The seller didn’t try to hide it, and the price I paid reflected that.
That Mustang? Holy crap, I’ve seen better cars in the wrecking yard.
Thanks for the video. You’ve got a new subscriber from Australia! 👍
Exactly, add a brand new pony interior and he was in love. Thanks for subscribing !
Oh my Lord! I had a few body issues with my 1966 Convertible I bought in 2018 - mainly rust holes in the convertible top roof well gutter - which required some expert fabrication, respray etc. She needed a new top anyways, which I knew when I bought her. But the rest of the car was great and the engine/running gear was already a work of art. Looking at this though, my problems were miniscule. I feel for the owner - I know the feeling when you find "the car" and it speaks to you. Sad that this one was a cry for help :( You're a great bloke for caring enough to point all this out and offer the owner practical options.
As a mechanic you'd see the occasional 'flipper nightmare' roll through the shop. One guy brought in his late 60's Mustang convertible one evening for an alignment. The car looked great until I got the car up in the air and realized the rear torque boxes were completely rotted out. The rear suspension was not tied into the car and that was the 'alignment' problem. He told me he had the car redone for big money, he wanted an old car for his daily driver so he spent new car money on it. Needless to say he was pretty upset, and they will try to take it out on the guy trying to show them the problems. I tried to calm him down and remind him I didn't do anything to him, not my fault. Reminded me of this car in the video, sad story.
These, are the videos, to get you monetized! Thoroughly, enjoyed!
You’re a good man, glad this popped up on my feed. I’ve been burned by a classic car dealer myself out of Michigan in the past. You’ve got a new subscriber.
Thank you for watching and subscribing
Rewatched to like and comment. I never liked or commented on videos until getting addicted to this series.
Thank you
Just found your channel. Was driving behind you coming back from Walmart a coupler hours ago and saw your window sticker (was in the red RAM). You earned a new sub Sir!
Thanks for subscribing!
i always wanted a ford falcon ranchero when i got my licence in the 60's, Its good for kids to fix stuff up themselves no matter how bad their work is.
Very nice video and a lesson learned as well. Thanks for posting and have a nice day too.
I realize now how lucky I was to get a rust free mustang last year that has a straight body and very few issues (mostly electrical) in comparison. It helped that my father in-law used to restore classic cars and the car came from someone in his club who took care of their pride and joy for decades before deciding to sell to me.
Good luck to you and the owner on a safe rebuild.
Holy crap on the cross member welded on with no bolt🤯. I feel bad for the guy that bought it
Yup the bolts are cheap and easy to come by
You're a good man for setting him straight about that car. And you're right. It is one hot mess and absolutely dangerous. Lots of hours and money will be needed to fix it completely. Might be better to cut his loss and invest any rebuild money into a better car.
I feel so sorry for the buyer, he must be devastated. I plan on buying a classic when I have the money so this is a lesson learned to get an expert to go through the car first.
I love the wire nuts they used for the taillights
As a restorer, fortunately living in no rust Arizona, I would not touch that thing. I'm currently doing a Porsche 914, the only thing I replaced was the battery tray.
Buyer must've had his eyes closed
And his butt cheeks spread wide. And after that, it was a bad experience ;-)
Some ppl just get too excited and forget the red flags
Yes ,
But ...
This Type of Thing ,
PURPOSELY AND
WILLFULLY
SCAMMING / CHEATING
POOR AND EXCITED
UNSUSPECTING
PEOPLE ...
WITH COMPLETE
" BASKET CASE "
BUTCHERED
CLASSIC CARS ...
IS
ACTUALLY
NOT
FUNNY AT ALL ... !
ITS
ACTUALLY
COMPLETELY
F ' N
CRIMINAL ... !
AND
THE PREVIOUS ORIGINAL SELLER ,
AND THE SUPPOSED
" REPAIR SHOP "
OF THESE HORRIBLE / HORRENDOUS CARS ...
SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TAKEN TO COURT AND SUED BIG TIME ... !
THERE NEEDS TO BE AN
" IRON CLAD "
LAW
ESTABLISHED
AGAINST ANYONE
EVEN TRYING TO SELL / PASS OFF
SUCH
HORRIBLE AND COMPLETELY
UNSAFE
CARS AND TRUCKS
LIKE THESE ... !
I feel your pain. I worked at stuff like this for many years. Lots of satisfaction getting the cars put back together correctly. But not a lot of pay for the endless hours spent on them.
Thats why you only restore the cars you own and want to own it till you die that way or cars from customers they pay you a good price for every hour you work and every part you spend on their car and not for package price for your work or body shop...that every single time turn into a money pit and hour grave for the shop and mechanic...good work and good parts cost time,knowledge and MONEY....
And a good restoration and paintjob on a rare car with expensive and super rare parts(if they are buiable...after hours or days..or weeks searching for parts...time for that the customer has to pay too!!! Or If the parts not availible you have to reproduce them them from scratch-not only panels...sometimes you have to cast and mashine a complete cylinderhead or engineblock by youreself...) can easily cost the same like a nice house with a big property or a new supersports or luxury car....i saw people throw the price for a new ferrari,lambo or bentley in old cars like a early vw beetle, vw samba van or old mini cooper.....but they are better than new after leaving the garage and probably last forever with properly maintane and in a good home.....
Unfortunately that's this hobby going broke by the day while working to death
Charge more $$, why should you have to work cheap on someone else's problem?
@@garylivingston9052 what i wrote earlyer to that....enjoy working on youre own car or take the right amount of money for it(actual dealership price for a hour in the workshop- in germany for example are 280-350euros per hour- for everything you do for other peoples old cars...including searching for parts and issues on that vehicle....properly work needs properly -expensive- equipment, knowledge, passion...and time+willing to do it right and best as possible in absolute every thinkable way...best repairmethods, best and/or original and sometimes difficult to get parts....(the mercedes benz classic center in sindelfingen can reproduce every single part thats needed...old pre 1950 cylinderheads for example -when ordered- where handcast ...after old blueprints in the castingmanufacture by mclaren for mercedes and mashined in sindelfingen.....
Okay...some cylinderhead or block can cost up to 80k euros-and you need probably two of them for some projects- but you can rebuild almost anything properly....when you get the right money to do it...if not...people get shitty repaired, bondo filled, rust buckets in resell red..... glued together and with weaky point weldings....and pays also "a lot" of money...not for the car itself....but for prepairing it after right....and yes...this hobby is expensive and if you do it not youreself...
Every old car repair or restoration -also modells like a old beetle or minis can cost easily more than buying a new dreamcar like lambo or ferrari from factory or buy a house with property....for normal people only makeable if you learn to do it youreself and probably only one car over the whole lifetime....buyed after getting youre first job and finished long after retierement...
Then dont work for free. Tell the customer what it take to do the job right. If they dont like it, move on the next customer. I say that as a restoration shop owner
Thank your for putting this "autopsy" for us to view.
OK, the metal work is terrible, the paint is bad, the booger welds suck, but the absolutely unforgivable part is the chrome Autozone special "GT 289" stick on letters!😆
The best thing when buying a “restored” or previous repaint classic vehicle is having a restoration shop or someone who really knows classic cars look at it! This is more important than a mechanic at this point. Body work on a classic can easily far outweigh the cost of drivetrain parts
I just found your channel. I have restored cars for over 30 years and am a retired mechanic in the rust belt of southern Ontario. Do yourself a favour and run away from that car. If you do any work on that car there is no telling where your personal liability will end up. That car is as bad as it gets . Rusty piles of junk are honest and apparent. Cars like this are far worse because to the casual observer they appear solid. We both know a couple of good pot holes, a rough railroad crossing or dumping the clutch is going to tear the back of that car apart . I feel bad for the new owner and I feel bad for you getting involved.
I'm definitely on the fence on even touching it unless he goes the route I want to take. He has another 65 shelll that just needs minor repairs I've urged him to bring it and use what metal can be salvaged out of this car as a donor
He can use that other original body or an Acorn? body that is ALL new, aligned, primed, sealed, ready for bodywork and paint. I see this body costing 100k+ to repair properly with quality patch panels and the labor to do quality assembly of the parts! That's NOT including paint and bodywork! The VIN tag can be swapped LEGALLY and made much more safe to drive. There are only a few, rare option cars, that creates reasons to double your hard earned money into that abomination! Just removing and replacing the janky quarters, fenders, and floor "patches" would be 40k with parts and labor 😡
I get buying your "dream car", that is a NIGHTMARE, NOT a dream. I feel bad for that person, probably my favorite year Mustang! Sad, sad, vehicle for what he probably paid 😢
@@HotRodGuyGarage
Honestly, I'd wash my hands of that car. Most of my work has been mechanical, and I've refused to do Mechanical work on cars "fixed" that poorly, or just so rusty they weren't safe.
It's your name - and possibly home and everthing you've worked for - on the line here. Lose one customer & save your reputation and everything you've worked your adult life for.
Worth losing one customer to me.
I worked at a vintage/classic car restoration shop for 27 years. I did mechanical only, no bodywork and paint or interior. But I've seen a lot of stuff like this. It's unbelievable how much of this is out there. I've seen a bunch of Uncle Tony's videos on this stuff, Kiwi's does a lot of videos on it as well. I don't do bodywork, but I wouldn't touch that car with a 10 foot pole. There is no way to fix it right. You're right about it not being straight, and it would be almost impossible to make it straight. The cost of just trying to make it safe to drive would far exceed the value of the car. And if the owner ever does get into an accident in it, and gets killed or seriously injured, and they find out what kind of condition the car is in, you could wind up getting sued. It's just not worth it. I also watch a channel called DD Speed Shop. He is currently in the process of rebuilding a '67 Camaro. And he has replaced about 90% of the metal on the car, including the rear frame rails. But he kept it straight, and it's actually stronger than it was to begin with. And he is an "amateur". I would take any good mechanical parts off this car and crush the rest, so somebody else does not wind up with it. Obviously it's up to the owner, but I would not do any work on it at all. You could be setting yourself up for a real f**ked up day.
Thank you for what you do sir! Blessings!!!
This type of work isn't done only by flippers. There are many people in the classic car hobby that are inexperienced, working on a budget, have to worry what the wife says, just want to get it back on the road and are doing this type of stuff. I have seen way too many people who shouldn't be working on old cars because they think it is easy or have been told it is easy. To do a car right it has to be completely gone through in order to be right and safe. Even a nice unrestored car needs to be completely serviced inside and out.
When it's someone's first day welding they probably shouldn't be welding a car back together 😁
Absolutely!
Yeah with a 50 amp China Freight flux core welder
My fav from Finnegan =Ray Charles welded it with his FEET!
On a 100 foot extension cord!
Yep. start out with wind chimes or bird feeders.
I bought a 69 z28 like 20 years ago just like that. In the pics that orange with black stripes sure was pretty. When the guys was unloading if off the trailer the rust was just falling off the floors. I knew then I screwed up. I chalked that up as to a very costly learning experience with working with old cars. I now know what to look for. We all have to learn somehow!!!
Seen a lot of butcher hack work like that before. I've been restoring cars since the 80's and it just amazes me at such shoddy work.
Great video..I feel sorry for the owner of this car. Lesson learned.
As these older cars start approaching prices that rival new cars people are getting complacent especially with the internet, thinking anything ‘for sale’ has some sort of guarantee or is backed … there’s a reason why the ‘perfect’ ones are starting to rival exotic pricing because they are practically exotics at this point. As they say you get what you pay for 🙃
Hi I'm a Brit, really enjoy the videos.
Over here cars over 30 years old don't need an annual inspection (normally for cars over 3 years old). But you can take them for one, costs £45 , used as an indicator the cars not made from spit and tissue paper.
I'd hate to see that one come into the shop.
You're absolutely right, a new shell is the best way to go.
The "repairs" on it actually made it worse.
It didn't even look like it was that bad to start with, they just rushed it with no regard at all to any kind of quality.
I don't even know what to think of that mess.
I'll subscribe to your channel to see how it works out.
You've got a pile of welding to do just to make it hold up.
What a shame
Wow I feel bad for the buyer, but boy that should have screamed "run away" - that fender gap should tell anyone the car was a wreck.
Crappy & missing welds combined with all those loose panels and frame issues….you’re 100% correct on this rig!
Absolutely, see the playlist this video is in for the journey up to this point
Years ago, I put a couple together a little like that. Had limited resources and a good imagination. But not to resell for big money, but to enjoy for myself. Live and learn
When I go to classic car shows, I always wonder how much work was put into some of the nice cars. Like, what’s the history? How much body work was put in. Is everything the owner claims as “original” telling the truth and etc. When I go out and buy classic cars, I’m going to buy a vehicle that hasn’t been restored - that is great shape, low mileage, and so forth. It’s scary to go out and spend 10K plus on a car that has been fully restored looking trophy winning. That is why I’m probably never going to really buy a fully restored car that has had a full off frame resto as tempting as it is. Thank heavens I also know what I’m looking for when I’m shopping for a classic car. I’ve been buying and selling classic cars for a long time and all my cars I’ve owned, knock on wood, were all original, intact, in great shape!
I feel bad for the guy who bought this Stang, but the person has a lot to learn and I assume he must be a young guy probably excited about this vehicle - probably his first purchase.We all have to begin somewhere at some point, but when I was young, just out of high school, I already knew what I needed to do - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Unfortunately this happens all too often nowadays, and it looks bad on those of us who do quality work, great video!
Russ, I am just watching this vid for the first time as I caught this build from the middle. Wow! I knew this car was bad, I didn’t realize it was this bad! Jesus H. Christ, you have had to reconstruct the whole thing!
Absolutely it's horrible 😔
Since the project is going on hold for awhile, figured I'd go back and see what you started with. Not sure this is even a good parts car. You did some real magic on this to get to the way it sits today. Thx!
Thank you, it would had been a great parts car for a good chassis
I was expecting it to tougher to see the warning signs, but I gasped in the first quick scan!
I know. I’m wondering if the buyer might be technically legally blind and maybe should not have a driver’s license.
Yup, me too!
Thanks for the video! I'm interested in seeing 👀 more on this Mustang. Unfortunately I Understand all to well about buyer be aware. I sold my '65 Mustang a couple of years ago because I knew it was a rot box. Back in 1985, long before I owned it, it received an extensive "bondo" makeover. The girl who owned it thought she got a top notch job. She stopped driving it by 1989: paint started a crackin, and chipping off. Fast forward to November 2018. I purchase it seeing the rust, knowing that it hasn't run in almost 30 years, but I also realize that it is a slightly rare car. It was built in October of 1964, for the 1965 model year. But it had a lot of the "64.5" built parts on it from the factory. It also was a factory 289 automatic car. I got it running and driving for a short time before brake lines started popping. After going through it, I decided to sell it because I was not in a position to be able to do a proper restoration of the car. The gentleman who bought it, is a professional body guy. We went over the details and he was fine with it. He sends me pictures of the project: and man alive, it was a project! But, it was done right! After 4.5 years of hard work, it's done. And it looks like it did rolling out of the factory; original color (Prairie Bronze Metallic) and all.
My 1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator was another one. The previous owner who drove it in the mid to late '80's did what he could to hide rot to pass inspection. This included metal TAPE and undercoating over the top of the rot holes in the frame rails 😱. He also pop- riveted beer cans over the rot on the fenders, doors, rockers, and quarters. Completed with bondo and primer. He had no idea how Dangerous the 1/2 ass cover-up was to the framework. I found it by accident leaning against the frame next to where the steering mounted. If I went for a drive, Guarantee I would have crashed.
Being everything is only zip screwed and snot welded on your Mustang should make for easy disassembly; possibly for re-use. I know it's cheap aftermarket stuff, and it will need some extra work to line up the gaps, but it would help keep the costs down. The upper cowl can be purchased in 1 piece; that's what the guy did to my old '65 since it was so bad.
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SURE THERE R GREAT FINDS BUT NOT EVERYONE IS THAT LUCKY.. GREAT CONTENT THANK YOU. THAT TORIINO IS A GEM. VERY NICE N BEAUTIFULL.. THE COST OF EVERYTHING IS THRU THE ROOF... THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO CRAP AT HIGH SPEEDS.. I DRIVE JOLOPYS NOW..JUST FROM A TO B.
Finally a 65 mustang that makes mine look good. Been slowly rusting in a barn for the past 35yrs I've owned. I see a nice one and then visit mine, get sad, and walk away until I see another one the cycle repeats.
Time to pull it out of the barn and make something of it!
I am not a professional body man and my welds aren’t pretty but a restomod I built for a relative survived a rear end collision without being totaled.
I was really happy none of my welds broke because there were a lot of them. My shop teacher in HS , late 70’s, told me I welded like a gorilla, ugly and strong. He said if he needed a plow repaired I was the man but if it needed to look good I needed to brush up on my grinder skills.
Wheel house on a tug boat.. wheel well on a...................very interesting great channel thanks
I bought an old Camaro from Arizona in mn. It was 99.87% rust free. I couldn’t believe it. Well, it had ariz plates so it wasn’t in mn long.
Just yesterday I saw a video on a 1974 Plymouth that was sold from Mecum’s Auto Sales. It had major flaws with one being that it didn’t have the 340 v8 engine and instead had a 318 v8 engine. Wrong build plates and vin #’s. An absolute Monstrosity !
By about 15 seconds into the walkaround I knew this car was REALLY poorly done. That "builder" was an assassin.
"I prefer not to buy old cars, no matter their year, make or model. I don't want to deal with repairing hidden issues or worn-out parts. Old cars are usually scrapped because they are beyond repair or restoration. Modern vehicles are better because they handle, brake, heat, cool, and steer better, and require less maintenance. I don't have the time or desire for constant maintenance and adjustments. I believe the best solution is to buy a new, high-quality, warrantied vehicle and maintain it well. When it's no longer usable, I'll junk it and purchase a new one. It's a simple solution."
When you told us the price he paid. WOW! I would never pay that for a coup. I have a restomod 65 I restored myself. I learned how to weld body panels on it and though my first repairs in 2001 were not as hacked as these are. I finally after experimenting on other builds started and finished the 65 in 2012. Took me ten years on other cars to feel good enough to fix the one I have. In 2000 I paid 1600 for two 65 mustangs. One complete and one parts car. Sold the complete car for a little more than both and started my journey. Now my car must be worth 50k if this is what people are paying for these or more.
Yep. If you want a good one, you are paying some serious money.
A pretty paint job can hide a lot. I would not even want to touch that. Even the tack welds look terrible. You just earned a new sub
It's was pretty ugly, check out the rest of the Series
You can get an almost fully mint hardtop for 30 grand. I feel terrible for the buyer but minimum research would’ve saved his wallet and time
We have a classic car dealer locally that does work like this. Unfortunately they have a decent reputation because most of their customers are retirees or otherwise people who don't know what to look for.
Took me less than 5 minutes on their lot to discover that this was the type of vehicle they were selling.
Also had a customer bring in a 67 gto they purchased. Only to find the car had been halved. Literally cut in half and a different rear half of a car booger welded on. We broke the news to him
The classic car flipping gig is ridiculous and 99% is botched up garbage
Same thing happened to me with a 79 Trans Am (that was half 77 Formula…), but it was a very cheap roller (back in college). That was all my savings then so I was devastated! Can’t imagine finding that to be the case on a very high dollar “restored” car.
I agree this should and could possibly be criminal maybe. Either way it can not be driven until repaired. So sorry for the owner. Good luck I hope it can be saved though.
I saw one like this for sale, sadly it was a long term project for a guy who didn't know what he was doing and did it the cheap way- drywall screws, wire nuts and pieces of solid wire were used. It was shiny I will give it that and being sold by the family after he passed away- I pointed out that it was a sketchy deathtrap but they just had dollar signs in their eyes, they had it for sale for at least 3 years and then it dissapeared, hopefully it went for parts
Some people shouldn't buy anything more expensive than a Happy Meal ..............
Interesting video. My only experience with body work is with our race cars. Which is an anything goes deal as long as tech passes. Most consumers have no clue how a modern unibody car is constructrd. Its a bunch of pinch seems an spot welds. Cavaliers are glued together. What happens is they rust out all along whatever magic pixie dust GM bonds their panels with. We end up cutting and putting bar stock in places we know get hit all the time. Because rubbin is racing... That being said new cars also crumple for a reason to absorb the impact. It also means we can pull a car back to mostly straight even after an accident.
Thanks for all the tips! Great video, sucks that your client is dealing with that.
I feel bad for the new owner. He got robbed. I think the safest/best thing to do to fix this is to buy a new 1965 body and rebuild it. Unfortunately, that is very expensive. Hope everything works out for the owner.
He has another 65 that needs some light metal work I've tried to urge him that direction
The problem with that is you touch it, you Own it. That was a good video
I would replace the body. If I owned it I would sue the guy I got it from. Or get my money back plus some extra for the trouble.
"As is" carries alot of weight in a court of law.
I’d call the person who sold him this car and tell him I want the good money I paid him for his valuable car back.. and offer him your lawyers number if he’s not being agreeable…..
There was a reason why they called these “Rustangs”. It was built off a Falcon- a cheap econobox that if look closely enough would rust right before your eyes.
Won’t mention the place, but they’re in Henderson Tennessee. You know the one that the horns never work.😂
I truly dont see why people buy from them. Overpriced pigs with lipstick.
The Maple place?
@@stevieg2755 I've known about Maple Motors for a long time. The sell mostly junk, and they have a tendency to sell "fake" or "clone" cars without explicitly disclosing that they are not the real thing. But I'm pretty sure they would not sell anything like this. They have been around for a long time, and they would have been shut down a long time ago if they sold something this dangerous. I would not buy a car from them, you are going to get scammed, but you are not likely to wind up with something anywhere near this bad.
Lmfao!
You do mean the place that has all the overpriced "classics" and are clones or tribute cars.
Greetings from Ireland, i can remember years ago looking a "totally restored" 1965 Mini Cooper S. It looked beautiful but alarm bells were ringing withing 2 minutes. I had taken a torch with me and was about to look below it and my father was wrapping a magnet in a rubber glove to hunt for the body filler . The guys comment was you can do all that when you buy it but i think you cant afford it!!!! We could smell the fresh paint and see empty body filler cans on the bench . We found out later that it had been sold as a parts car, about 9 weeks before we saw it.Someone had been burning the midnight oil!
Thanks for watching! I once went to look at a 1955 Chevrolet sedan and when I arrived the guy was spreading filler in rust holes lol needless to say he kept them 😆
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@@HotRodGuyGarage wow that is crazy ,you didn't need a magnet, his reaction must have been priceless!!!! A lot of us might have patched up a wreck in our late teens to drive spending hundreds of pounds rather than tens of thousands. Those memories of a mint car at Easter ,knowing that the bubbles and cracked filler would have burst out in about January of the next year! My father did all the structural welding so that it was safe, for him it was tyres, brakes and structure .
If you want to get into the classic car market and have no experience, hire someone like the man in this video to accompany you on your purchase. It will be money well spent
Wow. All I can say is I would be afraid to put it on a lift and get under it. One rough railroad track and it’s all in pieces all over the road.😳
This is one of those "cut your loses ASAP and move on" situations. this particular car is not worth a half way fix, it either needs to be completely torn down and professionally redone (which in this case is cost prohibitive since there are thousands of other 65 Mustangs out there in a lot better shape. The new owner needs to chalk it up to a loss for his inexperience and move on..I know it sounds harsh but it will actually save him a lot of money in the future. As a mechanic I would not even take on such a mess... way too much liability and headaches.
The $17K a person would spend on a Dynacorn Body is a lot cheaper than to repair that car and do it correctly. I agree with you with advising the customer not to use the shell.
Absolutely
Better than some of the cars i have had
Looks mostly like an 80's fixer-upper, when these things were just old cars. They weren't worth much and kids stuck them together with stop sign floorboards and cheap patch panels, or inches of Bondo. Cover everything not visible in tar to slow the rust and then drive it like they stole it. Very few of such cars survived a summer back then. This isn't "botched"; it was the best someone could do with the materials and skills they had 30+ years ago, and was never expected to last.
If this was done in the 80’s as you suggest the red spray paint on the inside of the rear wheels would not be new. It is a botched job be any definition.
@@steveniemyer9288 If it were new the paint wouldn't be worn thru on the front end. It's a very old job with some possible more recent patchwork.
@@scottysgarage4393 The paint looks like single stage enamel with orange peel and dirt, probably sprayed in the garage with a fan in the window.
this wasn't a bunch of kids patching their car together as best they could. This was a shop that totally hacked this car together as quickly, and cheaply as they could. Just that issue with the crossmember alone! You couldn't find ANY bolt to fit in that hole? Or were things so misaligned that there was no hope of getting that bolt in? This is a prime example of a shop ripping people off and shoving shoddy workmanship out the door just to make a quick, and hefty, buck!
@@Jimschrbr Whatever you think. But that ancient paint, among almost every other aspect of the car, disagrees with you.
great video quite a few bad repairs for sure must be such a noisy drive
There was an 80s toyota pickup near me when I was in the market for an old truck, looked beautiful cosmetic wise, since it was at a mom and pop dealership the mechanics let me put it up in the air on the lift to take a look. The bottom looked freshly painted and I knew something was up, found where the frame was rusted through near a leaf spring joint and was filled with spray foam and painted over, insta walk away to say the least lol. At least the mechanics were real ones and let me put that thing up
This is the inspection people should get beforehand spending top dollar
You're pretty brave for putting it on a lift!
After seeing the mess absolutely, it's back on the ground now
I wouldn't be brave enough to walk under this thing up on the hoist. This thing is scary.
I like how the person who did the job painted the inside of the wheels and tires. LOL
That Mustang in Australia can have another nasty surprise. The fella complained the steering box kept coming loose. The problem the car was converted to right hand drive.
Slight lack of strength the right. .
l returned to the beginning of the build series and sadly noticed MY last comment from EIGHT months ago is the last comment. I was certain there would be more recent comments than that! It's difficult to believe that during that time no one had viewed this without leaving some kind of comment. Most likely your state doesn't have a Vehicle Safety Inspection of any type as having this should discourage car flippers. Such a system isn't all bad - you don't worry so much that "the other guy" isn't as likely to be driving junk.
Thanks, and no vehicle inspection here they used to have a safety lane but it ended sometime in the late 70's to early 80's
I’m going to say this…second comment from me as I keep watching this video…I’m from the Midwest and saw a few really bad cars and trucks in my years.
But legit…Alabama and Florida was next level for hack work.
How can anyone be remotely comfortable with the idea of selling a car in that condition 😒
Wishing we knew more of this car's history...
Me too
If he gave more than 4k, he really got took!
Wow! Worst surprise I got on my IROC was a surprise “fuel pump access hatch” where the lazy PO cut a hole in the floor pan…and cut into the gas tank by mistake! idiot
I once sold a super rusty (but visually decent) 75 T/A for $100. the guy couldn’t believe me on the phone- how could you sell it so cheap…we’ll take one look underneath and you’ll understand! Leaf shackles wanted to blow through the trunk on bumps.
I’ve just got a very similar looking project vehicle. Luckily apart from Bondo on the trunk and roof it appears fairly sound..