The ‘Graf Spee’ chased in WW1 was the actual admiral - Maximilian von Spee - for whom the later pocket battleship Graf Spee was named. You’re clearly confusing the man with the ship.
@@josephradley3160 Yes, but the British didn’t initially realize that and had to cover all their bases. Likewise, the Emden - which had begun as part of Spee’s squadron - did go into the Indian Ocean.
@@josephradley3160 And HMS Glorious and Courageous weren't completed until Nov 1916 - almost two years AFTER Graf von Spee died in the Battle of the Falkland Islands. There is no excuse for not doing basic research - just taking seconds on line - and the author clearly has no idea of the history of either world war,
The saddest thing about this period for HMS Glorious, was that when she was in harbour her crew had sent letters to loved ones saying "home soon" and then had been quickly sent out to Norway and never got home again.
As the below folks have all said...you really screwed the pooch. Got the world wars mixed up. Created a fictional FIRST world war ship named Graf Spee that never existed. Showed footage of the real SECOND world war ship of that name while taking about it that the battle cruiser version of the Glorious couldnt have tangled with. Just take you mortally wounded video down and re do it pleaase!
@@andrewhammel8218 Well said. Have you seen his video on Dunkirk just a couple days ago? he managed to include footage of the Canadians landing on Juno beach on D-Day. I stopped watching after another couple of minutes as I was expecting any second to see footage of a Kamikaze attacking a US navy carrier. 🤬
A sad tragedy, for which I feel that the Glorious's Captain has to take much of the blame. A Combat Air Patrol or adequate lookouts MIGHT have provided sufficient warning for the group to escape. HMS Devonshire was a 'County' class heavy cruiser, a capable enough ship, but she would have not stood a chance against both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, even if she had been right there with the Glorious and her escorts.
Regardless of *why* Glorious was travelling with only two destroyers for escort, the facts that she had no recon aircraft up and no lookouts posted are inexcusable. Didn't her captain know there was a war on?
This seems to tally with the observations that Doyley-Hughes knew nothing about aerial warfare. He shouldn't have been the captain of an aircraft carrier, of all things.
The video closes by saying that the HMS Glorious was the only British aircraft carrier lost in WWII, however, that is not true. The aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal was sunk after being hit by a single torpedo from U-81 on 13 November 1941. She sank the following day. And ion April 9th, 1942, the British carrier HMS Hermes was sank after an attack by Japanese dive bombers off of modern day Sri Lanka.
I think.. and I'm not 100% sure on this but I think he means that it was the only sinking of a british aircraft carrier for which the records were sealed.
You also forgot about HMS Eagle which was sunk by U-73 on August 11 1942 during Operation Pedestal. And HMS Courageous(which is Glorious sister ship) was sunk by U-29 on September 17 1939.
These films are jam-packed with mistakes, errors, and faulty identification. An aircraft carrier with a flight deck full of 60's era jet fighters (2:38) doesn't work when you are talking about early WWII carrier operations. It is far more of a challenge to watch carefully and pick out the rare scenes where they actually get the ship or aircraft correct.
This has some real howlers in it - firstly as others have stated it was the man Von Spee who was hunted in WW1 not a ship of that name. Secondly Glorious was not even laid down when Sturdee’s ships sank Von Spee’s ships. Also your pictures confuse the wartime Ark Royal with the post war one repeatedly. The real killer mistake I’m afraid is a picture of HMS Ardent a 1980s frigate when you are talking about the A class destroyer.
Plus the footage of Swordfish when he's talking about Gladiators, and the random shot of a 1960s Forrest Sherman escorting the Essex-class CV10 Yorktown.
Please do not continue to follow this trend of plying heavy background music for dramatic effect. Those who usually do this do so because they are lacking confidence in their work and it wrecks quite a few / many potentially good video productions. Considering your videos are will be and have been well narrated & put together very smooth and clearly communicative. Also considering the deep respect your subjects command you have done a righteous work producing historical legends as well as exposing a side of man which the devil can feel jealous about. It is important, you are important because of the values you practice in example for those of us who love living enough to in at least somehow contribute to those around us we might gift, impart the our very own compassion for our own part.
I’ll add my vote to that. I started watching this, but refuse to finish because of the offensive noise. The only movie I’ve ever seen which wasn’t ruined by modern music was fight club. Since that movie was inherently disgusting, disgusting music was appropriate. It’s a sad reflection on our civilization, but popular modern music (and I mean music, not lyrics) has too narrow a range of expression to be congruous with most themes. There are so many ways in which music can express, heroism, boldness, grandeur, tragedy, loss, fear, etc.; but never have the various modern genres successfully achieved this. Even the excitement which this soundtrack aims for, is a shallow deception. It induces accelerated heart beats and other bodily rhythms, but fails to express excitement or even contribute anything to the story.
Add to which showing unrelated historical film. Showing the Graf Spee scuttling in the River Plate and the Bismarck firing on the Hood devalue the content.
That was fascinating. I had not heard the details on the sinking of the HMS Glorious. It was just a small paragraph or two in a couple books, but nothing with this much information. Thank YOu so much for filling in the gaps.
Two of my Grandmothers brothers went down with Glorious that day, As my Grandmother would later say she felt guilt forever after since she was so relieved that my Grandfather her husband who was also at sea serving aboard Glorious's direct sister HMS Furious wasnt involved in the action, she hated Germans passionately for the rest of her life after that, especially in light of losing her father and an uncle 25 years before in the trenches when she was still a very young girl and had no memories of either of them.
I enjoy your videos. But your background music is very distracting to your music. Please find another type of music that would be more appropriate for your videos.
RAF 263 Squadron lost most of her pilots and other staff when the Glorious went down. They fought well over Norway using frozen lakes as landing fields. They were in Naval camouflage pattern as the crew of the carrier transporting them suggested the change as the day camouflage pattern of the RAF would stand out on the frozen terrain. It’s a squadron with an interesting history as the progression of fighter types it employed went from biplanes to jet fighters by the end of the war with some unique aircraft. They missed the Battle of Britain as they were rebuilding after the losses from this tragedy. Gloster Gladiator to Hawker Hurricanes to Westland Whirland to Hawker Typhoon to Gloster Meteor. The final transition had the the old squadron abolished and another squadron reassigned with the squadron number.
I was about to argue that a Westland Whirlwind is a helicopter and anachronistic to the other aircraft you're talking about - but a quick google tells me that they recycled the name, and at different times produced both a fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft with the same name - Today I Learned....
0:20 Execution? 1:30 Admiral Graf Spee is so infamous, and yet you seem to have used footage of the ship named after him from another conflict 6:08 HMS Ardent, the time travelling destroyer
I think he mis-spoke WW1 for WW2. Glorious was involved in the pursuit of the 'Graf Spee' in 1939. She wasn't even laid down in 1914, when von Spee's squadron was destroyed.
A few seconds after 0:16 "... Operation Alphabet, The EXECUTION of Allied forces from Norway." Dark Skies meant to say "the EXTRACTION of Allied Forces from Norway."
"Bad luck?" - more like cursed! So many command irregularities combined to create an absolute disaster. Disregarding Norwegian sighting reports. No radar operations, no recon/patrol flights. Engine/boiler operation deficiencies. They all added up. No wonder the records were sealed; the captain is ultimately responsible for his ship and crew, and he failed spectacularly!
Also, and this is coming from an old metal head, he should really overthink his choices for background music. Those waaay too loud metal riffs are quite annoying and make it quite hard to focus on the spoken words, at least for someone like me, who is not a native english speaker. Or maybe me being an Aspie and prone to sensory overload has something to do with it, who cares, but in the end, this is an actual reason why I don't watch this channel more often.
Mike here to say that the background "music" is very distracting to this otherwise excellent presentation. The Known and manly voice of the narrater needs no help. Please cease this compromise.
The death metal makes the story real.... also did anyone notice the giant bullet hole in the airframe of that bi-plane when the cameraman was filming the ship?!?!?! 😮
D'Oyly-Hughes was appallingly negligent and managed to get most of the men under his command killed and all his ships sunk. He sailed through an active war zone without using any aircraft for patrols that would have spotted the enemy in time to evade or even attack with Swordfish. Not having all his boilers available and ready for full speed was further incompetence.
The boiler argument is moot as the Admiralty’s standing orders also required some level of fuel management. Glorious wouldn’t have been able to stay but a few days in Norway if she had steam for full speed available the entire time. With these boilers she could make 26-28kts
" perhaps it was the court Marshal, the fuel, the safekeeping of the royal family, Operation Paul or a combination of all these that led to the tragic sinking" OR MAYBE the Scharnhorst and the Gneisenau had something to do with it.
The fact that they were sealed in the first place implies that there was something the Royal Navy did not want the public to know. Either tactical information that would help the enemy or some sort of scandal. 100 years makes it sound like a scandal. But Im just an American. We do not have scandals on this side of the pond. Lmao. 😂
Not really.... they sometimes contained information that would benefit the enemy or cause distress to the familieswho died. Glorious' report describes suffering of named individuals. Ark Royals report was also sealed. Ahhh your scandal on the USS Indianapolis is similar in some ways...but very different in others @@martinswiney2192
The actions of HMS Acasta makes me think of the action of USS Johnston during the Battle of the Philippine Seas. The survivors of Glorious, Ardent, & Acasta were left to the sea much like the survivors of the Johnston. I do question why Glorious did not wait for the rest of the task force, also why was she only running half her boilers (thus reduced speed) and had no air patrol out.
USS Johnston fought that powerful Japanese surface force in the Battle off Samar, not the earlier Battle of the Philippine Sea. Similar to HMS Ardent and later HMS Acasta, she fought two much bigger ships at once as the battle commenced, besting both of them!
@@hallmobility You are right it was the Battle of Samar in the Philippine Sea. But the point was Destroyers fearlessly going out to fight capital ships and the gallantry of those ships and crews.
I believe the CV was sacrificed. Her Bridge operator was a no nonsense veteran, who understood duty and sacrifice. In war many good people die. It's inevitable. I don't believe he was rushing to court Marshal anyone at half speed. He was live bait. A target too good to pass up by the kriegsmarine. Sailors are proud people. They did their duty admirably. And like general George Patton. You might hate the guy for putting you through hell; but in truth he was preparing you for the hell you were going to have to go through. That air boss was insubordinate. war is like a grand scale game of chess. Pieces have to be sacrificed some times. They all died as unsung heroes to the public. But there is a certain Royal family that is forever indebted to the crown; and no doubt remembers them as the greatest heroes of the war. RIP brothers. You gave them hell and deserve all the glory. 🍻
@@MarioHernandez-dp3lz You could be right about being sacrificed. Wasn't there mentioned a secret file that will not be reveal or opened until 2041, a hundred years after the investigation.
@@fredmaxwell9619 yup. And isn't it a bit suspicious that the Royal family was only some 30 miles from the attack? If the captain wanted he could have executed that insubordinate officer for treason. Things change quite a bit when at war. Hell it's the navy. That dude could have been charged with mutiny. Anyways I believe he knew his mission, and took the minimum amount of volunteers as escorts. I'm sure they knew it was a noble cause. The DD commander once achieving it's mission of finding and stalling the kriegsmarine; they could have left anytime afterwards. I think the captains of those DDs respected their commanding officer and knew at the very least how to follow orders. "They stood alone, together" and would not give up the ship without a fight. Heroes all. 07
Thr picture of HMS Ardent shown is that of a much later 70s at least frigate bearing the same name. I also second the comment about the apparent confusion when referencing Admiral Graf Spee and his WW1 exploits with those of the commerce raider ship named in his honour but not laid down until 1935, some time after the modification of the already antiquated Glorious, a modified WW1 ship.
This is not the only aircraft carrier of the Brit that was sunken by the Germans. There was another one in the Mediterranean sea. The ship was hit by torpedos and sunk in minutes.
The author is willingly sacrifying historical truth. The Germans started the Norwegian campaign only days before the British started their campaign. The British landing force were already on board of their ships.
6:10: The pictured F184 HMS Ardent was launced in 1975 and sunk at the Falklands. She was not present in WW2. What do the Hellcats do in this story the americans started using them 1943. When mentioning British forces showing video of a german Panzer 4 tank, why? This goes on and on, random video. , Who make these videoes. Channel should be renamed DARK NONSENSE.
Not having the radar active and air patrols was inexcusable. The German battle ships, if detected, could have been attacked beyond the range of their guns, driven off or even sank.
MAJOR ERROR! 1:29 She did not spend the better part of a year chasing Graf Spee during WW I! It was WW II. And what's up with the funky background music?
Seventy-nine years ago today, the most catastrophic maritime disaster in human history occurred. On January 30, 1945, the Soviet submarine S-13, under the command of Captain Alexander Marinesko, torpedoed the Wilhelm Gustloff, a German military transport ship, which had been repurposed for evacuating more than 10,600 German war refugees from the eastern parts of the Reich across the Baltic Sea. This devastating attack led to the tragic loss of an estimated 9,600 lives, including more than 5,000 children.
@@researchvesselservices2202 True. He had more experience of naval aviation than most officers of his rank, and had even spent time on secondment to the Air Ministry in the 1930s.
Lots of misinformation in the comments 1) All the files are released 2) ODH was a Submariner but he was a pilot 3) Glorious didnt have a crows nest 4) Glorious didnt have the same fuel consumption as AR and she was low on fuel.......based on almost 15 years of data 5) None of the carriers flew CAP North of the Faeroes on previous crossings..... 6) Heath (Commander Flying) refused to fly the mission and fell out with ODH. Half of his pilots said he should have flown the mission. That order didnt come from ODH it came from the highest ranking naval officer in Norway via Vice Admiral Wells 7) Theres other reasons why CAP wasn't flown but thats for a book ....all the truth to Glorious is already available in various Government folders and it was a lot of peoples faults
Not using his air patrol. radar or even a look out it sounds like D'Oyly-Hughes failed to protect his ship. He acted like he was cruising in peace time.
He didn't have radar. RN carriers didnt routinely fly aircraft like they did later in the war.....none of the carriers going to Norway had flown here previously. failed Doctorine on the RNs part
@@researchvesselservices2202 thank you, I was not aware the RN was so complacent about transiting combat areas. Hard way to learn. But it takes the onus off the captain.
captain of Glorious would have been court martialled had he lived. upper class twit who lost a carrier. no air recon - beyond belief. And no cruiser escort - Royal Navy bad decision.
@@dalek3086 Do at least a little fact checking. Whatever d'Oyly-Hughes was or wasn't, he certainly was not an 'Upper Class Twit.' He was born in Salt Lake City, the son of a British doctor.
Total incompetence caused this.Most Captains of UK carriers in WW2 had no aviation experience and most senior RN officers in th Admitalty did not either!!!
That was a problem caused by the formation of the RAF. in 1918, all naval aircraft and aircrew became part of the RAF. Although they still flew from ships, they were no longer part of the naval command structure: the result was that no pilots got the ship-driving experience to be able to become captains, and no naval officers had hands-on experience of flying. This was only remedied in mid 1939, when the Fleet Air Arm was placed back under naval command.
Wrong HMS Ardent - the correct one had pennant no. H41. She was A-class destroyer commissioned in April 1930. The picture in the video is of the Type 21 Frigate - HSM Ardent with pennant no. F184, launched in May 1975 and sunk by Argentinian aircraft on 21 May 1982 during the Falklands War.
Where did this crank get the idea that the Glorious as a cruiser in WWI hunted the Admiral Graf Spee in the Indian Ocean? The Admiral Graf Spee was not built until the 1930s after WWI had ended.
The 'Pocket Battleship', never a cruiser, Graf Spee wasn't launched until 1934. It therefore took no part in WWI. Glorious lost all her turrets on conversion; not just the aft one. 'Fore-Castle' is pronounced 'Folk-sul'. Basic Jack Speak. '46th' sqn is another horrible Americanism. Just say '46 Sqn'. You talk about Gladiator biplanes, but show Swordfish. Despite the video, Graf Spee was not around Norway at this time, although her accomplice Altmark would later be. You show HMS Ardent F184. As per Graf Spee she was not launched until 1975 and so took no part in WWII. The Exocet launchers are a bit of a giveaway. You need to look for pictures of HMS Ardent H41. 'Two Sixty-Third Sqn': another horrible Americanism. You Hurricane landing is a Fairy Fulmar. Why show Glorious in WWI cruiser configuration being chased by Scharnhorst? 'One of the longest shots in naval history', makes it considerably shorter than several others, especially compared to Warspite's effort in the Med. Some of your Scharnhorst footage of the engagement actually shows Bismarck during the Battle of The Denmark Straight. The Ark Royal shots are mainly of R09, launched 1950. The Gannets and jets on the deck are a clue. I assume you mean that this was the only British carrier loss of WWII for which the records have been sealed. She wasn't of course the only carrier lost. This was a dreadful page in the history of the War but was it worse in effect than Hood, or PoW and Repulse? Usual display of lack of knowledge and incorrect images. This is clearly just about moneterisation.
The Deutschland class were only nicknamed 'pocket battleships' by the British press. The Germans originally called them 'panzerschiff' (armoured ships), but re-designated them as heavy cruisers in Feb 1940.
Excerpt from my book of first hand accounts is on Wordpress under The Sea Takes No Prisoners. Includes comments by German officers of Gneisenau and Scharnhorst as well as survivors of Acasta and Ardent. Details of hearings in Parliament as well and reactions of survivors and survivors’ families also. Channel 4 in UK had a program “Hidden History” that did a full episode on the Glorious’ loss. It has been on You Tube and could still be accessible. Reminiscent of the USS Indianapolis
The ‘Graf Spee’ chased in WW1 was the actual admiral - Maximilian von Spee - for whom the later pocket battleship Graf Spee was named. You’re clearly confusing the man with the ship.
But Maximilian von Spee wasn't in the Indian Ocean during WWI. He took his squadron (except for SMS Emden) through the Pacific and into the Atlantic.
@@josephradley3160 Yes, but the British didn’t initially realize that and had to cover all their bases. Likewise, the Emden - which had begun as part of Spee’s squadron - did go into the Indian Ocean.
@@josephradley3160 And HMS Glorious and Courageous weren't completed until Nov 1916 - almost two years AFTER Graf von Spee died in the Battle of the Falkland Islands. There is no excuse for not doing basic research - just taking seconds on line - and the author clearly has no idea of the history of either world war,
I think a lot of the research comes straight from Wikipedia
I knew he messed that up !!
The saddest thing about this period for HMS Glorious, was that when she was in harbour her crew had sent letters to loved ones saying "home soon" and then had been quickly sent out to Norway and never got home again.
The Sea is a Sailors home.
As the below folks have all said...you really screwed the pooch. Got the world wars mixed up. Created a fictional FIRST world war ship named Graf Spee that never existed. Showed footage of the real SECOND world war ship of that name while taking about it that the battle cruiser version of the Glorious couldnt have tangled with. Just take you mortally wounded video down and re do it pleaase!
@@andrewhammel8218 Well said. Have you seen his video on Dunkirk just a couple days ago? he managed to include footage of the Canadians landing on Juno beach on D-Day. I stopped watching after another couple of minutes as I was expecting any second to see footage of a Kamikaze attacking a US navy carrier. 🤬
A sad tragedy, for which I feel that the Glorious's Captain has to take much of the blame. A Combat Air Patrol or adequate lookouts MIGHT have provided sufficient warning for the group to escape. HMS Devonshire was a 'County' class heavy cruiser, a capable enough ship, but she would have not stood a chance against both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, even if she had been right there with the Glorious and her escorts.
Regardless of *why* Glorious was travelling with only two destroyers for escort, the facts that she had no recon aircraft up and no lookouts posted are inexcusable. Didn't her captain know there was a war on?
This seems to tally with the observations that Doyley-Hughes knew nothing about aerial warfare. He shouldn't have been the captain of an aircraft carrier, of all things.
@@stephenphillips4609 - I get that he wouldn't recognise the value of aerial reconnaissance, but to have no lookouts posted??
@@nigeldepledge3790 Reckless to say the least
I can understand not having all the boilers lit to save fuel, but no lookouts in a time of war?
Was he a German agent? He did everything possible to get his ship sunk.
The video closes by saying that the HMS Glorious was the only British aircraft carrier lost in WWII, however, that is not true. The aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal was sunk after being hit by a single torpedo from U-81 on 13 November 1941. She sank the following day. And ion April 9th, 1942, the British carrier HMS Hermes was sank after an attack by Japanese dive bombers off of modern day Sri Lanka.
I think.. and I'm not 100% sure on this but I think he means that it was the only sinking of a british aircraft carrier for which the records were sealed.
You also forgot about HMS Eagle which was sunk by U-73 on August 11 1942 during Operation Pedestal. And HMS Courageous(which is Glorious sister ship) was sunk by U-29 on September 17 1939.
You're right. He should have stated the only British aircraft carrier lost to surface action.😉
I guess they need to check their facts first before posting videos.
Thanks for the additional info! @@brandnazvi9354
Wrong Ardent - that’s the type 21 frigate dating from 70s
Same Ardent that was lost in '82.
Wrong footage all over this thing.@@jamesmcgarry1483
These films are jam-packed with mistakes, errors, and faulty identification. An aircraft carrier with a flight deck full of 60's era jet fighters (2:38) doesn't work when you are talking about early WWII carrier operations. It is far more of a challenge to watch carefully and pick out the rare scenes where they actually get the ship or aircraft correct.
They are. It's a terrible channel.@@agwhitaker
This has some real howlers in it - firstly as others have stated it was the man Von Spee who was hunted in WW1 not a ship of that name. Secondly Glorious was not even laid down when Sturdee’s ships sank Von Spee’s ships. Also your pictures confuse the wartime Ark Royal with the post war one repeatedly. The real killer mistake I’m afraid is a picture of HMS Ardent a 1980s frigate when you are talking about the A class destroyer.
Plus the footage of Swordfish when he's talking about Gladiators, and the random shot of a 1960s Forrest Sherman escorting the Essex-class CV10 Yorktown.
@@dominicbuckley8309 haha I KNEW they were Swordfish 😂 when he said "Gladiators" I had to think lol
@@unbearifiedbear1885 Plus the apparent "execution" of Allied forces from Norway.
Plus footage of the Bismarck firing on Hood and PoW
This is the poor standard of all the Dark videos - Skies/Seas etc I think they get an intern from office supplies to gather material.
Please do not continue to follow this trend of plying heavy background music for dramatic effect. Those who usually do this do so because they are lacking confidence in their work and it wrecks quite a few / many potentially good video productions. Considering your videos are will be and have been well narrated & put together very smooth and clearly communicative. Also considering the deep respect your subjects command you have done a righteous work producing historical legends as well as exposing a side of man which the devil can feel jealous about. It is important, you are important because of the values you practice in example for those of us who love living enough to in at least somehow contribute to those around us we might gift, impart the our very own compassion for our own part.
Dreadful "AI" narration too.
I’ll add my vote to that. I started watching this, but refuse to finish because of the offensive noise. The only movie I’ve ever seen which wasn’t ruined by modern music was fight club. Since that movie was inherently disgusting, disgusting music was appropriate. It’s a sad reflection on our civilization, but popular modern music (and I mean music, not lyrics) has too narrow a range of expression to be congruous with most themes. There are so many ways in which music can express, heroism, boldness, grandeur, tragedy, loss, fear, etc.; but never have the various modern genres successfully achieved this. Even the excitement which this soundtrack aims for, is a shallow deception. It induces accelerated heart beats and other bodily rhythms, but fails to express excitement or even contribute anything to the story.
+1! Glad to see others felt the same. It felt really awkward from the otherwise excellent focus on the story 🤷♂️
Me too. Really liked the story, but music unfortunately ruins everything.
Add to which showing unrelated historical film. Showing the Graf Spee scuttling in the River Plate and the Bismarck firing on the Hood devalue the content.
That was fascinating. I had not heard the details on the sinking of the HMS Glorious. It was just a small paragraph or two in a couple books, but nothing with this much information. Thank YOu so much for filling in the gaps.
Two of my Grandmothers brothers went down with Glorious that day, As my Grandmother would later say she felt guilt forever after since she was so relieved that my Grandfather her husband who was also at sea serving aboard Glorious's direct sister HMS Furious wasnt involved in the action, she hated Germans passionately for the rest of her life after that, especially in light of losing her father and an uncle 25 years before in the trenches when she was still a very young girl and had no memories of either of them.
She should have hated her own government
This sounds like my grandmother... Except her husband was also on glorious..
Your choice of music is very poor.
I enjoy your videos. But your background music is very distracting to your music. Please find another type of music that would be more appropriate for your videos.
The background rock music is a total mistake.
Agree, the rock music is extremely distracting!
It’s annoying as hell
I'm sorry, modern metal doesn't work with a WWII story.
RAF 263 Squadron lost most of her pilots and other staff when the Glorious went down. They fought well over Norway using frozen lakes as landing fields. They were in Naval camouflage pattern as the crew of the carrier transporting them suggested the change as the day camouflage pattern of the RAF would stand out on the frozen terrain.
It’s a squadron with an interesting history as the progression of fighter types it employed went from biplanes to jet fighters by the end of the war with some unique aircraft. They missed the Battle of Britain as they were rebuilding after the losses from this tragedy.
Gloster Gladiator to Hawker Hurricanes to Westland Whirland to Hawker Typhoon to Gloster Meteor. The final transition had the the old squadron abolished and another squadron reassigned with the squadron number.
war is the mother of all invention.
I was about to argue that a Westland Whirlwind is a helicopter and anachronistic to the other aircraft you're talking about - but a quick google tells me that they recycled the name, and at different times produced both a fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft with the same name - Today I Learned....
0:20 Execution?
1:30 Admiral Graf Spee is so infamous, and yet you seem to have used footage of the ship named after him from another conflict
6:08 HMS Ardent, the time travelling destroyer
I feel like he meant to say extraction but that was a strange choice of words if not.
@@JackParsons2 Or maybe he's right and the Royal Navy just started executing British soldiers lol
I think he mis-spoke WW1 for WW2. Glorious was involved in the pursuit of the 'Graf Spee' in 1939. She wasn't even laid down in 1914, when von Spee's squadron was destroyed.
The chaotic background music in this video is not only distracting, but also unworthy of the subject material.
A few seconds after 0:16 "... Operation Alphabet, The EXECUTION of Allied forces from Norway."
Dark Skies meant to say "the EXTRACTION of Allied Forces from Norway."
How do you know? He said what he said
I’m in a room with 10 musicians, laughing their asses off at the choice of the rock music.
Damn now I 've read this the volume seems to have climbed , I can only guess it was free and at hand
It would be better without the hectic music in the background while you are talking.
Stop the music
"Bad luck?" - more like cursed! So many command irregularities combined to create an absolute disaster. Disregarding Norwegian sighting reports. No radar operations, no recon/patrol flights. Engine/boiler operation deficiencies. They all added up. No wonder the records were sealed; the captain is ultimately responsible for his ship and crew, and he failed spectacularly!
You should drop the Rock and Roll music in the background bro it's extraordinarily disruptive
He has a great voice for this but someone should proof read the script for historical accuracy and proper wording.
Also, and this is coming from an old metal head, he should really overthink his choices for background music. Those waaay too loud metal riffs are quite annoying and make it quite hard to focus on the spoken words, at least for someone like me, who is not a native english speaker. Or maybe me being an Aspie and prone to sensory overload has something to do with it, who cares, but in the end, this is an actual reason why I don't watch this channel more often.
Mike here to say that the background "music" is very distracting to this otherwise excellent presentation. The Known and manly voice of the narrater needs no help. Please cease this compromise.
6:10 your photo of HMS Ardent is the ship launched in 1975 and quite clearly so.
Good narration however I don't care for the heavy metal music in the background
The background rock/metal music is idiotic, obtrusive & loud!!
its not made for you
@@norml.hugh-mann Yup. it is not made for normal people.
The death metal makes the story real.... also did anyone notice the giant bullet hole in the airframe of that bi-plane when the cameraman was filming the ship?!?!?! 😮
What twaddle. Since when was the Graf Spee a commerce raider in WW1.
The actual Admiral was LOL
He means the admiral himself (from WW1)...not the WW2 ship that was named after him (which he mistakenly used footage of).
D'Oyly-Hughes was appallingly negligent and managed to get most of the men under his command killed and all his ships sunk. He sailed through an active war zone without using any aircraft for patrols that would have spotted the enemy in time to evade or even attack with Swordfish. Not having all his boilers available and ready for full speed was further incompetence.
The boiler argument is moot as the Admiralty’s standing orders also required some level of fuel management. Glorious wouldn’t have been able to stay but a few days in Norway if she had steam for full speed available the entire time. With these boilers she could make 26-28kts
Are we all just going to ignore the ABSOLUTE bad ass metal music that’s being played in the background?
Who is that?
" perhaps it was the court Marshal, the fuel, the safekeeping of the royal family, Operation Paul or a combination of all these that led to the tragic sinking" OR MAYBE the Scharnhorst and the Gneisenau had something to do with it.
Court Martial!!!
1:50
Not even two minutes into the video and you are horribly wrong.
I won't waste my time with the rest.
Your music is too loud
Fascinating as always, thank you again.
The only carrier sinking in WW2 for which the records have been sealed for 100 years. So the loss of the Ark Royal was less scandalous.
HMS Eagle and Hermes were also lost, this video has a lot of irregularities.
No....Even Ark Royals records were sealed initially. Both have been released in full. This idea of 2041 is incorrect
The fact that they were sealed in the first place implies that there was something the Royal Navy did not want the public to know. Either tactical information that would help the enemy or some sort of scandal. 100 years makes it sound like a scandal. But Im just an American. We do not have scandals on this side of the pond. Lmao. 😂
Not really.... they sometimes contained information that would benefit the enemy or cause distress to the familieswho died. Glorious' report describes suffering of named individuals. Ark Royals report was also sealed. Ahhh your scandal on the USS Indianapolis is similar in some ways...but very different in others
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Ark Royal captain refused a tow outside Gibraltar - then sunk
I think they dredged up the wrong era HMS Ardent picture at 6:08. Don't think the WWII Ardent had Exocets, Sea Cat, and a helicopter deck.
I would imagine the loss of H.M.S. Hood was just as horrifying..
The actions of HMS Acasta makes me think of the action of USS Johnston during the Battle of the Philippine Seas. The survivors of Glorious, Ardent, & Acasta were left to the sea much like the survivors of the Johnston.
I do question why Glorious did not wait for the rest of the task force, also why was she only running half her boilers (thus reduced speed) and had no air patrol out.
USS Johnston fought that powerful Japanese surface force in the Battle off Samar, not the earlier Battle of the Philippine Sea. Similar to HMS Ardent and later HMS Acasta, she fought two much bigger ships at once as the battle commenced, besting both of them!
@@hallmobility You are right it was the Battle of Samar in the Philippine Sea. But the point was Destroyers fearlessly going out to fight capital ships and the gallantry of those ships and crews.
I believe the CV was sacrificed. Her Bridge operator was a no nonsense veteran, who understood duty and sacrifice. In war many good people die. It's inevitable. I don't believe he was rushing to court Marshal anyone at half speed. He was live bait. A target too good to pass up by the kriegsmarine. Sailors are proud people. They did their duty admirably. And like general George Patton. You might hate the guy for putting you through hell; but in truth he was preparing you for the hell you were going to have to go through. That air boss was insubordinate. war is like a grand scale game of chess. Pieces have to be sacrificed some times. They all died as unsung heroes to the public. But there is a certain Royal family that is forever indebted to the crown; and no doubt remembers them as the greatest heroes of the war. RIP brothers. You gave them hell and deserve all the glory. 🍻
@@MarioHernandez-dp3lz You could be right about being sacrificed. Wasn't there mentioned a secret file that will not be reveal or opened until 2041, a hundred years after the investigation.
@@fredmaxwell9619 yup. And isn't it a bit suspicious that the Royal family was only some 30 miles from the attack? If the captain wanted he could have executed that insubordinate officer for treason. Things change quite a bit when at war. Hell it's the navy. That dude could have been charged with mutiny. Anyways I believe he knew his mission, and took the minimum amount of volunteers as escorts. I'm sure they knew it was a noble cause. The DD commander once achieving it's mission of finding and stalling the kriegsmarine; they could have left anytime afterwards. I think the captains of those DDs respected their commanding officer and knew at the very least how to follow orders. "They stood alone, together" and would not give up the ship without a fight. Heroes all. 07
Thr picture of HMS Ardent shown is that of a much later 70s at least frigate bearing the same name. I also second the comment about the apparent confusion when referencing Admiral Graf Spee and his WW1 exploits with those of the commerce raider ship named in his honour but not laid down until 1935, some time after the modification of the already antiquated Glorious, a modified WW1 ship.
Enjoyed the video. Just so you know the picture of HMS Ardent you used was F184, sank by Argentine forces in 1982
And launched in 1975.
Jesus, this video has so many errors, it's worthless!
Heavy metal is the wrong choice of music.
In war, ships all sink horribly. The Glorious was NOT a serious loss from a fighting perspective. It was a serious loss from a HUMAN perspective.
Crazy how much info was just not correct. This Chanel use to be quality
Lazy re-hashing of a Historynet article.
New hardcore Background music fits.
Steel,devastation,and guns that sream peace 👍
The background music is super irritating
The landing of the hurricanes was such a feat considering they had no arrester hooks just a sandbag to keep the weight down in the tail
Nice how the Norwegian royal family on the cruiser took priority over the entire crew of the Glorious. Things never change.
Awesome music and video!
The "execution" of allied force from Norway??? Even the subtitles say evacuation.
God, I bet that's a tough climb, up the ropeladder of the ship picking you up after a day lost in the north Atlantic
This is not the only aircraft carrier of the Brit that was sunken by the Germans. There was another one in the Mediterranean sea. The ship was hit by torpedos and sunk in minutes.
yes, the "Ark Royal" was sunk by U-81.
Eagle and Courageous as well.
Who picked the music? Jeeezzz
music is screwing up the story although id like to hear it when youre not talking lol
The author is willingly sacrifying historical truth. The Germans started the Norwegian campaign only days before the British started their campaign. The British landing force were already on board of their ships.
6:10: The pictured F184 HMS Ardent was launced in 1975 and sunk at the Falklands. She was not present in WW2. What do the Hellcats do in this story the americans started using them 1943. When mentioning British forces showing video of a german Panzer 4 tank, why? This goes on and on, random video. , Who make these videoes. Channel should be renamed DARK NONSENSE.
Glorious' conversion to an aircraft carrier was completed long before the Graf Spee was ever built, so a lot of what you describe never happened.
Not having the radar active and air patrols was inexcusable. The German battle ships, if detected, could have been attacked beyond the range of their guns, driven off or even sank.
She didn’t have radar
The execution of allied soldiers? Hey DS it's the bad guys you put down, not the good guys.
MAJOR ERROR! 1:29 She did not spend the better part of a year chasing Graf Spee during WW I! It was WW II. And what's up with the funky background music?
Seventy-nine years ago today, the most catastrophic maritime disaster in human history occurred. On January 30, 1945, the Soviet submarine S-13, under the command of Captain Alexander Marinesko, torpedoed the Wilhelm Gustloff, a German military transport ship, which had been repurposed for evacuating more than 10,600 German war refugees from the eastern parts of the Reich across the Baltic Sea. This devastating attack led to the tragic loss of an estimated 9,600 lives, including more than 5,000 children.
The picture you used for HMS Ardent is the one sunk in the Falklands war in 1982... how could you even think that was a WW2 vessel?
What? The ship spent WWI hunting the commerce raider graf spe in the Indian Ocean? What?
Could have done without that god-awful music.
This highlights the wisdom of the US practice that the commander of an aircraft carrier must be a pilot himself.
not really....ODH was a pilot and graduated with very high marks
@@researchvesselservices2202 True. He had more experience of naval aviation than most officers of his rank, and had even spent time on secondment to the Air Ministry in the 1930s.
Lots of misinformation in the comments
1) All the files are released
2) ODH was a Submariner but he was a pilot
3) Glorious didnt have a crows nest
4) Glorious didnt have the same fuel consumption as AR and she was low on fuel.......based on almost 15 years of data
5) None of the carriers flew CAP North of the Faeroes on previous crossings.....
6) Heath (Commander Flying) refused to fly the mission and fell out with ODH. Half of his pilots said he should have flown the mission. That order didnt come from ODH it came from the highest ranking naval officer in Norway via Vice Admiral Wells
7) Theres other reasons why CAP wasn't flown but thats for a book ....all the truth to Glorious is already available in various Government folders and it was a lot of peoples faults
the speed metal background music is distracting
What's the deal with the hard rock music in the background. Very irritating.
The final conclusion, in my opinion, is that Capt. Hughes' reputation was considerably exaggerated. He must have had a cousin nicknamed "Monty".
Not using his air patrol. radar or even a look out it sounds like D'Oyly-Hughes failed to protect his ship. He acted like he was cruising in peace time.
He didn't have radar. RN carriers didnt routinely fly aircraft like they did later in the war.....none of the carriers going to Norway had flown here previously. failed Doctorine on the RNs part
@@researchvesselservices2202 thank you, I was not aware the RN was so complacent about transiting combat areas. Hard way to learn. But it takes the onus off the captain.
captain of Glorious would have been court martialled had he lived. upper class twit who lost a carrier. no air recon - beyond belief. And no cruiser escort - Royal Navy bad decision.
@@dalek3086 Do at least a little fact checking. Whatever d'Oyly-Hughes was or wasn't, he certainly was not an 'Upper Class Twit.' He was born in Salt Lake City, the son of a British doctor.
I enjoyed many of your earlier videos but please remove the background music from your recent/ future ones, it detracts from the story not adds to.
Why the worthless music? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The music is really distracting
Total incompetence caused this.Most Captains of UK carriers in WW2 had no aviation experience and most senior RN officers in th Admitalty did not either!!!
That was a problem caused by the formation of the RAF. in 1918, all naval aircraft and aircrew became part of the RAF. Although they still flew from ships, they were no longer part of the naval command structure: the result was that no pilots got the ship-driving experience to be able to become captains, and no naval officers had hands-on experience of flying. This was only remedied in mid 1939, when the Fleet Air Arm was placed back under naval command.
Over 100.000 people already watched this mockery of historical research. People, start flagging this channels postings.
Records sealed for 100 years? Gotta be some serious dirt in there.
I am fed-up with this youtubers word salads. I am out of here.
The German crewmembers were quite shocked about the death toll, they expected a lot of British shipping around....
Music is inappropriate and distracting. 👎
Wrong HMS Ardent - the correct one had pennant no. H41. She was A-class destroyer commissioned in April 1930. The picture in the video is of the Type 21 Frigate - HSM Ardent with pennant no. F184, launched in May 1975 and sunk by Argentinian aircraft on 21 May 1982 during the Falklands War.
Right off the bat, total inaccuracies.
Where did this crank get the idea that the Glorious as a cruiser in WWI hunted the Admiral Graf Spee in the Indian Ocean? The Admiral Graf Spee was not built until the 1930s after WWI had ended.
I'm with some of the others, the music is not needed!
IIRC, HMS Ark Royal was hit by a deep running torpedo that broke her keel. It was an extremely (un)lucky shot.
The 'Pocket Battleship', never a cruiser, Graf Spee wasn't launched until 1934. It therefore took no part in WWI.
Glorious lost all her turrets on conversion; not just the aft one.
'Fore-Castle' is pronounced 'Folk-sul'. Basic Jack Speak.
'46th' sqn is another horrible Americanism. Just say '46 Sqn'.
You talk about Gladiator biplanes, but show Swordfish.
Despite the video, Graf Spee was not around Norway at this time, although her accomplice Altmark would later be.
You show HMS Ardent F184. As per Graf Spee she was not launched until 1975 and so took no part in WWII. The Exocet launchers are a bit of a giveaway. You need to look for pictures of HMS Ardent H41.
'Two Sixty-Third Sqn': another horrible Americanism.
You Hurricane landing is a Fairy Fulmar.
Why show Glorious in WWI cruiser configuration being chased by Scharnhorst?
'One of the longest shots in naval history', makes it considerably shorter than several others, especially compared to Warspite's effort in the Med.
Some of your Scharnhorst footage of the engagement actually shows Bismarck during the Battle of The Denmark Straight.
The Ark Royal shots are mainly of R09, launched 1950. The Gannets and jets on the deck are a clue.
I assume you mean that this was the only British carrier loss of WWII for which the records have been sealed. She wasn't of course the only carrier lost.
This was a dreadful page in the history of the War but was it worse in effect than Hood, or PoW and Repulse?
Usual display of lack of knowledge and incorrect images. This is clearly just about moneterisation.
The Deutschland class were only nicknamed 'pocket battleships' by the British press. The Germans originally called them 'panzerschiff' (armoured ships), but re-designated them as heavy cruisers in Feb 1940.
Captain without a clue. Aside. Possibly the last time, if not the only time, a battleship dared to attack an aircraft carrier.
No it happens a few times afterwards including to the Americans
You should make the background metal music louder, I can still hear the narrator a bit.
They had fifteen battleships/battlecruisers at the time. Where were they when they had to know German battleships were in the area?
The Devonshire would probably been sunk as well if she attempted to engage the enemy.
I would have learned so much more in high school if heavy metal music was playing during the lessons
Absolutely ridiculous and horribly annoying background music.
I miss when he talked faster. Sometimes I watch it at 1.25x speed.
PLEASE lose the awful “music” when you next venture out. It detracts from an otherwise informative narrative.
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The Germans didn't sink Glorious, her own captain's complacency did
Excerpt from my book of first hand accounts is on Wordpress under The Sea Takes No Prisoners. Includes comments by German officers of Gneisenau and Scharnhorst as well as survivors of Acasta and Ardent. Details of hearings in Parliament as well and reactions of survivors and survivors’ families also. Channel 4 in UK had a program “Hidden History” that did a full episode on the Glorious’ loss. It has been on You Tube and could still be accessible. Reminiscent of the USS Indianapolis
2041? Secret Disclasified?. I am counting the days
The music was not bad it didn't drown out anything on my end
At least the royals were saved
maybe it’s just me but I can’t stand the music in the background