I never used more than 100m for refining but i dont fail getting +15 😂 I always use LB job for refining. A lot says it don't work but i can refine easy +10 with 10m if it wont make it +10 for 10m i call it bad omen haha
There been people in Zenith claiming to lower class members to always get +15 and it's not luck, it is technique, but when they explain it is just luck and made many. I was also told by someone they got the Ronin class without using BCC when it first came out. This video is proof that people lie. You will only learn what works for you by trial and error without fear or care for loss. Recovery is part of the game too. By the way, I seen there are +15 vouchers for you spenders. Lets get it! Who cares about yolo, we need end results not the thrill of the gamble
It definitely is luck and understanding the risks. I personally do sacrifice and a bit of pattern. I was very tempted to get that +15 weapon voucher, but man...so expensive :( That's funny that someone said they got Ronin without BCC :D
I always get 30 to 50 of the item I want to refine.. Than I use the sacrifice method (sacrifice 3 or 4, depends of the day).. I made a spreadsheet to check on how the refine is in that day either.. Sometime when I see too many fails in a raw (like lots of 5 fails sequence).. I give up and try other day.. Have +15 that way all the items I need on almost every job released
Nope! I'm refining my items using LB who has a stats for crafting weapon and stone that was saved in Ymir book. And got +12 to +15 items. But believe in good and bad luck days in refining...😅 From SEA server here playing since November 2018
@@josephgagui3437 Yeah sure, I bet his name is Harry Potter. Every refining action is counted separately, and it doesn't affect the next one. There is only one factor - luck. Nothing more, nothing less. It's just maths and science. It "only" takes time to learn those things. Blissful ignorance.
@@josephgagui3437 Yup true...they charge $2 only....rom:EL ph...they have requirements 100m zen y + sacri items. They won't say 100% but no payment if no +15.
Refining is infuriating, especially when it's an exclusive weapon of a new job. An example would be Thor's weapon. I've had days when the weapon fail+break when refined from +4, 7 pcs or more straight! I've spent a total of 2B, I've called it quits and settled for +10 when my bad luck extended to the runes (200 Star Runes, not a single rune with 2nd line activated). In hindsight, I should have just saved my money and bought a +15 from exchange. I think at this point in the game they should remove the refine down mechanics, if you fail it would either stay unbroken or broken but it won't go down a level.
I agree with not having refine down. I hope they will add that to the game since it is a horrible experience. I have had a weapon go from 14 to broken 3 and I want to quit the game. Luckily oracle mirror and relics don't go down (for relic you can choose to accept it or not)
Its a scum refine scum relic don't do its already you know all ready don't victimize to scum gravity boycott thire mechanic already you will feel better no more headache
Esperaba ver algo nuevo pero sigue siendo tan desilusiónante como que un equipo roto es basura una vez roto siempre se rompe en el mismo nivel mejor usarlo como material de refinación, convertirlo en piedras o venderlo. Dicen que este Ro es mejor que el antiguo porque no desaparecen tus equipos pero es casi igual o peor porque en el antiguo cuando menos te ayudaba tu Luck y podías vender independiente y comprarle a quien desearás aquí el herrero solo se convirtió en otro bruto más de PVE y PVP. Perdió su brillo como comerciante. Mejor hago instancias todos los días con cualquier personaje y vendo para obtener zenys ya el herrero no tiene nada ni de comerciante ni de herrero porque ya ni las piedras que hace son redituables.
If you played since release, that is possible. I have other friends with that depo or higher. Especially with the time wish machine and how they recently gave a ton of orange tickets based on how long you played. My f2p account started much later is at 30%
i am fully f2p who stopped playing for 1+ years and has almost 50% deposit. Bet f2p who continue playing has at least 70~80%...whale usually has at least 90% to full 150% deposit.
@@PrinceInShadow people who has not spend money in this game already quit way back when its release, in 2019 stop with this bullshit not spending money.u cant progress in this game without spending real money unless you got your ass carried the whole game by a whale.
Refine doesnt cost must . what does it cost ? Sanity ... it cost sanity .
Most of the times people quit is because of refining, it's crazy how they still haven't implemented a safe refine to +15.
They are selling +15 voucher that's why.
Spent 200 dollars. Maximum I got was ONE +12 voucher. Definitely a scam.
@@Feduardtthat is scam box. 50 +8 voucher.
Im always using feeling when refine, it turns my phone getting worst when so many failed. Its really getting me mad when too many time failed.
Thanks for featuring my comment master :)
I never used more than 100m for refining but i dont fail getting +15 😂
I always use LB job for refining. A lot says it don't work but i can refine easy +10 with 10m if it wont make it +10 for 10m i call it bad omen haha
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Safe refine +12, then gather materials for keep safe refining +12 like that certainly a +15 gonna come
There been people in Zenith claiming to lower class members to always get +15 and it's not luck, it is technique, but when they explain it is just luck and made many. I was also told by someone they got the Ronin class without using BCC when it first came out. This video is proof that people lie. You will only learn what works for you by trial and error without fear or care for loss. Recovery is part of the game too. By the way, I seen there are +15 vouchers for you spenders. Lets get it! Who cares about yolo, we need end results not the thrill of the gamble
It definitely is luck and understanding the risks. I personally do sacrifice and a bit of pattern. I was very tempted to get that +15 weapon voucher, but man...so expensive :( That's funny that someone said they got Ronin without BCC :D
That's why devs are selling +15 voucher for 1500 dollars.
I always get 30 to 50 of the item I want to refine.. Than I use the sacrifice method (sacrifice 3 or 4, depends of the day).. I made a spreadsheet to check on how the refine is in that day either.. Sometime when I see too many fails in a raw (like lots of 5 fails sequence).. I give up and try other day.. Have +15 that way all the items I need on almost every job released
Nope! I'm refining my items using LB who has a stats for crafting weapon and stone that was saved in Ymir book. And got +12 to +15 items. But believe in good and bad luck days in refining...😅 From SEA server here playing since November 2018
i have a friend to have a metod to do 100% +15, i don't upgrade imself but i give the account to my friend and now i am full +15......^^
Sure, dream on.
@@MeretrixTricksthere are people who knows how to refine haha its true .. even whales like Cenelz asked someone to refine for him
@@josephgagui3437 Yeah sure, I bet his name is Harry Potter. Every refining action is counted separately, and it doesn't affect the next one. There is only one factor - luck. Nothing more, nothing less. It's just maths and science. It "only" takes time to learn those things. Blissful ignorance.
@@josephgagui3437 Yup true...they charge $2 only....rom:EL ph...they have requirements 100m zen y + sacri items. They won't say 100% but no payment if no +15.
Refining is infuriating, especially when it's an exclusive weapon of a new job. An example would be Thor's weapon. I've had days when the weapon fail+break when refined from +4, 7 pcs or more straight! I've spent a total of 2B, I've called it quits and settled for +10 when my bad luck extended to the runes (200 Star Runes, not a single rune with 2nd line activated). In hindsight, I should have just saved my money and bought a +15 from exchange.
I think at this point in the game they should remove the refine down mechanics, if you fail it would either stay unbroken or broken but it won't go down a level.
I agree with not having refine down. I hope they will add that to the game since it is a horrible experience. I have had a weapon go from 14 to broken 3 and I want to quit the game. Luckily oracle mirror and relics don't go down (for relic you can choose to accept it or not)
Its a scum refine scum relic don't do its already you know all ready don't victimize to scum gravity boycott thire mechanic already you will feel better no more headache
you must got hardest ball to refine. If not will mental so much
3000 fish for a +15 Voucher . . . Its 20 BCC for 5 Fish . . . You do the math 🤣
Yeah, it is quite painful
Esperaba ver algo nuevo pero sigue siendo tan desilusiónante como que un equipo roto es basura una vez roto siempre se rompe en el mismo nivel mejor usarlo como material de refinación, convertirlo en piedras o venderlo. Dicen que este Ro es mejor que el antiguo porque no desaparecen tus equipos pero es casi igual o peor porque en el antiguo cuando menos te ayudaba tu Luck y podías vender independiente y comprarle a quien desearás aquí el herrero solo se convirtió en otro bruto más de PVE y PVP. Perdió su brillo como comerciante. Mejor hago instancias todos los días con cualquier personaje y vendo para obtener zenys ya el herrero no tiene nada ni de comerciante ni de herrero porque ya ni las piedras que hace son redituables.
blacksmith refine pasiive skill is scam 🤣
F2p player with 50% depo is the biggest 💩 i ever heard.
If you played since release, that is possible. I have other friends with that depo or higher. Especially with the time wish machine and how they recently gave a ton of orange tickets based on how long you played. My f2p account started much later is at 30%
36% depo from 2 years f2p ("free to pay", not "for pay pay")
the game is old. why cry about 50% depo.
i am fully f2p who stopped playing for 1+ years and has almost 50% deposit. Bet f2p who continue playing has at least 70~80%...whale usually has at least 90% to full 150% deposit.
@@PrinceInShadow people who has not spend money in this game already quit way back when its release, in 2019 stop with this bullshit not spending money.u cant progress in this game without spending real money unless you got your ass carried the whole game by a whale.