Thanks for watching guys, check out our accompanying article for this video here - armourersbench.com/2024/11/09/polish-rifle-grenades-for-ukrainian-drones/ Special thanks to Joe for his help with this video. Check out Joe's channel here - www.youtube.com/@BigMakBattleBlog [@BigMakBattleBlog ]
My biggest gripe with rifle grenades is that most designs require you to fire them with a blank, which is a recipe for disaster in the heat of battle. If they could build one that catches the shot, they would prolly still be viable
@@mechadonia the underbarel stuff limits the possible caliber as well as range, as the grenades have to use a high-low pressure system to medigate recoil
Generally speaking, any of the "shaped charge" type of penetrators have a penetration depth of about 2-to-3-times their won diameter. We did some modeling and testing of these decades ago. They actually work best in thinner armor, since the blast effect reduces with the armor thickness. In really thin armor, the explosive blast also goes through and produces a much larger spall pattern.
I imagine a bunch of South Korean arms from an earlier time are about to make landfall in Ukraine. Wouldn’t be surprised if rifle grenades were one of many things that showed up. It seems like all this stockpile of old gear has finally come of age.
This is a good demonstration of why truly obsolete weapons are still worth keeping in reserve. Even 10 years ago you couldn't have imagined how these would be used in a major war. These rifle grenades seem only slightly less effective than an RPG-7 warheads as drone munitions. Possibly better suited to use with longer range FPV drones. Of course, purpose designed warheads would be able to achieve more with less weight. The primary advantage I see with repurposing mortars and other warheads is the versatility in shifting stockpiles and production between their intended and alternative uses. The 70mm Hydra rocket has proven to be so versatile for so long that they're about to complete a 360 degree evolution from air-to-air weapon in the 1950s back to air-to-air weapon in the 2020s.
There's been some pistols primarily intended for the American concealed carry market sent to Ukraine, Kimber being one of the biggest donors. Would be interesting to see what they're being used for, if you have any idea
I see a lot of US commercial ARs, Diamond Backs, Springfield's etc more than the pistols. They are probably handed out as badges or rank or commendation as that's fairly common.
That's horrible. As someone who's a chronically online gun enthusiast, Kimber has a terrible reputation online. Maybe I'm wrong, and Kimber makes great pistols?
Well, traditionally pistols in that size range have been issued out by many armies as a badge of rank for staff officers who primarily command from an office. The point isn't to have a good pistol, because they're incredibly unlikely to ever use it, the point is to have a pistol that's small, light, and doesn't take a full size pistol out of the hands of a frontline soldier or junior officer who might actually need one.
What are you interested in exactly? All pistols in all armies are utilized the same way: they aren't. They sit in holsters in case a primary goes down or whatever but that rarely happens. For someone to be shot by a pistol in a modern war would be sooo unlikely.
I think this would be great for reusable FPV drones. Not for dropping but for shooting it, for precision. Instead of a rifle a simple single shot single use thingy would be used, which gets thrown backward when shooting (so no recoil). A metal pipe with a blank cartridge inside basically.
Literally my favorite TH-camr right now! Quality videos with non-stock photos, this guy always finds legit photographs and videos, then follows it up with an amazing presentation. His voice is spot on and I truly hope that you continue making this channel bigger. Even after the war your focus needs to be on military equipment and the breakdown of what it is and how it’s used. Thank you
Of course someone who’s talking about the weapons/munitions used in a current war is going to use non-stock photos. That’s literally the point of it all : To describe the pictures and videos of such weaponry that has popped up on TH-cam, Telegram channels, etc. And as for your comment about “even after the war your focus needs to be on military equipment….” It *ALWAYS HAS BEEN* about military equipment lol. His oldest videos were from 7 years ago where he talks about roughly the same topics.
Thanks guys. Yep, lots of time trawling open sources and talking to guys over there. I'll be doing this as long as I have time. Once the war is over I'll cover more historical subjects again and I'll be able to do more detailed analysis of what we've seen out of Ukraine. Thanks for watching!!
I WISH you'd do a video about the standard operating procedure with kamikaze drones. We see the contact wires in front of the drone. When exactly do they arm those wires? Maybe after it's airborne? That's a very dangerous point in drone sending - to accidentally have those 2 wires touching before you want them to touch. Can you enlighten us on this?
Love the content, I don’t know if you’re running low on ideas are not but would absolutely love to see a video about British/European loadbearing equipment that a lot of Ukrainian soldiers are seen wearing
Official data say up to 200mm of penetration. So ALL BMP's, BMD's, BTR's, MTLB's, BRDM's are "fair game" for those from any side. Also T-55 side turret armour is 130mm and back is 60mm roof is 30mm, T-62 has side turret armour of 153mm back 97mm and roof of 40mm... I belive the side, top and back of T72M and T72B without ERA can also be penetrated by those. Also FPV with good operator can hit pretty precisely so the can target gaps in "Kontak" ERA (those are significant) or for eg. commander hatch, or engine bay hatch
@@taterbug70 I think You would rather like to get Your hands on the newer variant that does not need the blank cardrige to fire, and can use FMJ (not AP) as it has so called "bullet trap" eg. GNPO-93 those were designed to be fired from every wz. 88 "Tantal" and wz. 96 "Beryl" without any modification needed to standard rifle. The only drawback of the GNPO-93 when compared to PGN-60 is that GNPO-93 has lower penetration... at approx 100mm vs 200mm of PGN-60 but on another hand the NGPO-93 is dual purpose anti armour and fragmentation in one grenade... Oh and they also make NGZ-93 Incendiary grenade and NGD-93 smoke and NGOS illumination grenade with parachute
Thanks for watching guys, check out our accompanying article for this video here -
armourersbench.com/2024/11/09/polish-rifle-grenades-for-ukrainian-drones/
Special thanks to Joe for his help with this video. Check out Joe's channel here - www.youtube.com/@BigMakBattleBlog [@BigMakBattleBlog ]
Thanks for featuring me T.A.B. Pleasure to collab as always
Thanks for your help Joe!
So glad to benefit from the symbiotic relationship between BigMac and TAB. Excellent info and analysis, as usual.
My biggest gripe with rifle grenades is that most designs require you to fire them with a blank, which is a recipe for disaster in the heat of battle.
If they could build one that catches the shot, they would prolly still be viable
Yeah exactly. Incidentally, the FAB F2 has a bullet trap I believe. Thanks for watching!
or if there was attatchment of separate grenade tube that you could redirect the main barrell gases into
Or perhaps… an underbarrel attachment to launch the grenade 🤔🤔🤔 someone should invent that
Im sure you’ll love to hear that those exist (bullet traps).
@@mechadonia the underbarel stuff limits the possible caliber as well as range, as the grenades have to use a high-low pressure system to medigate recoil
Generally speaking, any of the "shaped charge" type of penetrators have a penetration depth of about 2-to-3-times their won diameter. We did some modeling and testing of these decades ago. They actually work best in thinner armor, since the blast effect reduces with the armor thickness. In really thin armor, the explosive blast also goes through and produces a much larger spall pattern.
I imagine a bunch of South Korean arms from an earlier time are about to make landfall in Ukraine. Wouldn’t be surprised if rifle grenades were one of many things that showed up. It seems like all this stockpile of old gear has finally come of age.
This is a good demonstration of why truly obsolete weapons are still worth keeping in reserve. Even 10 years ago you couldn't have imagined how these would be used in a major war. These rifle grenades seem only slightly less effective than an RPG-7 warheads as drone munitions. Possibly better suited to use with longer range FPV drones.
Of course, purpose designed warheads would be able to achieve more with less weight. The primary advantage I see with repurposing mortars and other warheads is the versatility in shifting stockpiles and production between their intended and alternative uses. The 70mm Hydra rocket has proven to be so versatile for so long that they're about to complete a 360 degree evolution from air-to-air weapon in the 1950s back to air-to-air weapon in the 2020s.
Nice polish spelling and very interesting video! Never seen kbkg grenades being used irl, the launcher is pretty much museum piece at this point.
There's been some pistols primarily intended for the American concealed carry market sent to Ukraine, Kimber being one of the biggest donors. Would be interesting to see what they're being used for, if you have any idea
I see a lot of US commercial ARs, Diamond Backs, Springfield's etc more than the pistols. They are probably handed out as badges or rank or commendation as that's fairly common.
That's horrible. As someone who's a chronically online gun enthusiast, Kimber has a terrible reputation online. Maybe I'm wrong, and Kimber makes great pistols?
Well, traditionally pistols in that size range have been issued out by many armies as a badge of rank for staff officers who primarily command from an office. The point isn't to have a good pistol, because they're incredibly unlikely to ever use it, the point is to have a pistol that's small, light, and doesn't take a full size pistol out of the hands of a frontline soldier or junior officer who might actually need one.
What are you interested in exactly? All pistols in all armies are utilized the same way: they aren't. They sit in holsters in case a primary goes down or whatever but that rarely happens. For someone to be shot by a pistol in a modern war would be sooo unlikely.
@ufc990 That just isn't true.
I think this would be great for reusable FPV drones. Not for dropping but for shooting it, for precision. Instead of a rifle a simple single shot single use thingy would be used, which gets thrown backward when shooting (so no recoil). A metal pipe with a blank cartridge inside basically.
Thank you Poland
Can you make video on north korean guns like Type 73 GPMG appering in Ukraine with korean troopers?
I've already written most of it. I've been digging for additional sightings. Might be next week's video if we see more. Thanks for watching!
Literally my favorite TH-camr right now! Quality videos with non-stock photos, this guy always finds legit photographs and videos, then follows it up with an amazing presentation. His voice is spot on and I truly hope that you continue making this channel bigger. Even after the war your focus needs to be on military equipment and the breakdown of what it is and how it’s used. Thank you
Of course someone who’s talking about the weapons/munitions used in a current war is going to use non-stock photos. That’s literally the point of it all : To describe the pictures and videos of such weaponry that has popped up on TH-cam, Telegram channels, etc.
And as for your comment about “even after the war your focus needs to be on military equipment….” It *ALWAYS HAS BEEN* about military equipment lol. His oldest videos were from 7 years ago where he talks about roughly the same topics.
Thanks guys. Yep, lots of time trawling open sources and talking to guys over there. I'll be doing this as long as I have time. Once the war is over I'll cover more historical subjects again and I'll be able to do more detailed analysis of what we've seen out of Ukraine. Thanks for watching!!
Fantastic thanks again
Thanks for watching!
I read, and reread, the title to this video, and was wondering what the advantage would be of polishing rifle grenades. 🤔
Aerodynamics
I WISH you'd do a video about the standard operating procedure with kamikaze drones.
We see the contact wires in front of the drone. When exactly do they arm those wires?
Maybe after it's airborne? That's a very dangerous point in drone sending - to accidentally have those 2 wires touching before you want them to touch. Can you enlighten us on this?
Thanks!
Thank you very much for the support.
That style of launcher also fitted the FN FAL
I didnt know that. hmmm
Ohhh boy
Love the content, I don’t know if you’re running low on ideas are not but would absolutely love to see a video about British/European loadbearing equipment that a lot of Ukrainian soldiers are seen wearing
Oh no definitely not running low on topics, lots to come! Thanks, I'll add it to the list. Thanks for watching
@@TheArmourersBench absolutely! Thanks for the responses!
Looking very good how much is costing füllen automatisch with amontion und
Would they be dropped by FPV, MAVIC or BABA YAGA?
I'd guess on FPV or mavic. Babayaga can carry much bigger loads.
Pls make a video on the Fort-600 and RPV-16, both Ukrainian made weapons.
They're fin stabilized. I'm sure they'd work well as drone bombs with slight modification, too.
Possibly so.
this rifle grenades show how much love polish have to russian
Coupling these with drones is unbelievably cost and combat effective.
In military terms, it’s virtually free.
Based on the title, for some reason I thought these were meant for shooting at drones not dropping from them... Good luck with that.
why blur the soldiers tattoo in the beginning?
It was a really big watermark for a Russian TG channel. (If you want to find the original they're all linked in the accompanying article.)
I suspect the Russians will receive lot's of first person sighting's..
Still no vid about MSBS 🙄🙄🙄
Message for you at the end of the video haha.
@@TheArmourersBench
Yes i heard that.
But fact is fact - there is no vid about that rifle... for now at least 😅
@@WBKasper jest i nie jest zbyt pochlebny ;)
These look *likely.*
What a dreadful weapon. Looks cumbersome to use. Probably dangerous to a jeep or truck.
Official data say up to 200mm of penetration. So ALL BMP's, BMD's, BTR's, MTLB's, BRDM's are "fair game" for those from any side. Also T-55 side turret armour is 130mm and back is 60mm roof is 30mm, T-62 has side turret armour of 153mm back 97mm and roof of 40mm... I belive the side, top and back of T72M and T72B without ERA can also be penetrated by those. Also FPV with good operator can hit pretty precisely so the can target gaps in "Kontak" ERA (those are significant) or for eg. commander hatch, or engine bay hatch
@Crimerenegade be nice to have some of those to sell here in the US. I'm sure you could sell out in a day or two.
@@taterbug70 I think You would rather like to get Your hands on the newer variant that does not need the blank cardrige to fire, and can use FMJ (not AP) as it has so called "bullet trap" eg. GNPO-93 those were designed to be fired from every wz. 88 "Tantal" and wz. 96 "Beryl" without any modification needed to standard rifle. The only drawback of the GNPO-93 when compared to PGN-60 is that GNPO-93 has lower penetration... at approx 100mm vs 200mm of PGN-60 but on another hand the NGPO-93 is dual purpose anti armour and fragmentation in one grenade... Oh and they also make NGZ-93 Incendiary grenade and NGD-93 smoke and NGOS illumination grenade with parachute
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Not the first nor the last Antiques Roadshow tour in the Pukraine.
Porque solo envían antigudades
How can these be used to shoot down the drones ?
They aren't.
First?