🤣Imagine trying to arrest bowser🤣 Bruh you and the whole squad fin to die messing with bowser💀. If bowser was real what the fuck the police fin to do, you can't kill him the dude has similar powers to scp-682.
If you need 'consent' for fanservice, they need to pay the characters -- not the voice actors -- the CHARACTERS directly for their acting and participation in their media. I guarantee you, Ashley will not be getting a check for this game. She is not given employment rights. Sitting around pretending that law applies to them is ridiculous, and they know this.
The fact they used 2B as an example of a character you can’t peak up the skirt of, as if you can’t quite literally rip the skirt away with the press of two buttons is actually wild
You: "As if you can’t quite literally rip the skirt away with the press of two buttons is actually wild." NSFW mod creators: "You underestimate my power!"
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 I’m genuinely afraid about what a modder would do with the explosive clothes removing mechanic the game has, thank you for bestowing this new form of terror upon me
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 pretty sure the only upgrade that mod could make better is Change 2B into "commander" body & being able to erase her skirt to
It's like they can hack and slash every damn enemy in a violent video game but if a girl character wears something slightly erotic it's like people just have a panic attack because said character was showing her shoulder or some shit.
Its unfortunate but many people these days have become too attached with the virtual world than the real world, that they cannot differentiate the reality and virtual anymore. Serial Experiments Lain did a good job at kinda showing how scary the Internet can be
Imagine giving fictional the same rights as real people. Its these kinds of people that can't distinguish between fiction and reality. Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna be admiring 2Bs 1 million polygon cheeks.
As a bisexual woman, I hate the term "male gaze". I looked up Ashley's skirt all the time when I played RE4 at 13, and I do it at least once per playthrough. Women can be just as pervy toward hot fictional girls as men can.
@@thepsychicsquid I tip my hat to you for respect. One of the few women who actually is aware of the fact that they can be as pervy of hot fictional girls as men. And not only in fiction either.
@@tschro6539this is mostly related to AAA/Triple A game industry. indie games however, to my knowledge, has more artistic freedom due to being made by smaller, lesser known studios, which has the benefit of having less restriction.
We had artistic freedom... back in the 90s when geek culture was considered as fringe media for loosers. Every single IP that gained mainstream appeal turned to shit in the last 20 years.
It’s not about being a coomer or a perv, it’s about censorship. It starts with fanservice, then it’s violence and language, then it spirals out of control until our favorite media is completely unrecognizable.
Censorship is a crime. People can like what they like, and not like what they don't like. But when something is made, to censor it for people who don't even enjoy it or care is wrong. Especially when you have to seek it out.
Honestly a lot of charm of Ashley was her ditzy and immature personality. Its part of the reason "leon help me" become such a memorable line and funny in retrospect. But new Ashley is more serious and "strong" which in turn makes New ashley bland, boring and downright unpleasant to be around at times. while orginal Ashley will countinue to be the community favorite and be infinitely more charming and fun.. the panties shots dont hurt either
I agree but wasn't surprised and expected they would remove it. I remember a Capcom memo or something leaking awhile back about how they were going to adopt more western practices in regards to sexual content. I hope modders start posting screenshots telling these journos to stop wasting everyone's time or better yet to Japanese devs.
@@Muizemullard414 if you remove the panty shots from original Ashley, while yes, you’ll be removing a PART of why people remember her, the rest of her will be intact. Shots or no shots, (even if the former are good) OG Ashley will still remain a memorable character. Not every character needs to be strong and serious to be memorable.
“Teenage-coded” These “journalists” want SO badly for gamers to be violent predators that they’ll insist an adult is actually a child. Why? It’s freaking creepy. Stop infantilizing adult women. Stop acting like fictional characters are real. Ffs am I crazy for thinking this whole thing is weird af?
You'd have to be severely chronically online if you believe that *fictional* characters from *fictional* worlds in any *fictional* media have any human rights.
"Excuse me Ma'am.. I don't want to be disrespectful but is it ok for me to look at some tasteful rule 34 of your character? Oh, it's a no? Alright I'll be on my way then. Have a good day" -is what these people imagine probably
It's like all the posts of "Would you smash this character?" and then in the comments I see people saying they would only do it with consent, or they wouldn't because the character has a boyfriend. And I'm like, you know it's a drawing, right?
"I'm not going to die on the hill of fanservice." Yeah, they know that. That's why they target it. It's a way to get their foot in the door and eventually take control.
yep. the problem is that weebs like us are too good-natured and forgiving. if they tried this kind of talk on mainstream women in real life, they'd get shamed and shut down immediately by feminists.
Idiot producer: A character needs to give consent for you do that. Checkmate weirdos! R34 artist: I drew them all giving consent. It's also really stupid when the use "it's not realistic" excuse for Ashely's old outfit, but have no problem using a knife to guard a chainsaw.
"This is why I hated 2Bs design" - Guy that worked in Japan. Meanwhile Yoko Taro's still having money shoved in his face so people can put 2B into their game.
and also gaining more and more lewd art as he requested so he is winning times 2 also that is an oxymoron of i worked in japan and hating 2b she has honestly become a part of culture of anime and art in general
@@lekhaclam87 I severely doubted he worked in Japan. If he did; he would have popped off like he did. He could have gone there and tried to get a job. Also, it's interesting he doesn't name the company he supposedly worked for.
As much as I would like to hang out with my favorite characters and for them to be real, they aren't. We've really come full circle to this haven't we? From having normies telling geeks/nerds/otaku etc that our waifus (and other characters) aren't real to normies having to be told the same thing. Weird how life works that way
I don't think you get it. You're losing the power to imagine sex, they've taken more and more and will take everything from you. Pretty soon you won't be able to draw your own characters.
in Nier replicant there's also achievement for looking up Kaine's dress called Daredevil. After 10 times of swatting you away and insulting you for being a creep, Kaine kills you- she attacks the camera itself and its great.
I murdered a family of 3 in a recent AAA video game. Not even casually. They invited me into their living room, and I just butchered them down one by one. It felt dark and wrong, and a side character tried to cope with the fact by trying to justify it. But the game being so aware of the psychology of it was a testament of how much love and care went into it, and what it rewarded was my curiosity and having the guts to remember "No Russian". It was a profound, visceral, low-key traumatic experience, kind of like when I naively let a tabletop RPG character of mine get raped by an NPC. It was an important life lesson for me. And I think this is the real value of playing games since the dawn of time: To mess around and find out in a safe sandbox environment.
SO real life child drag shows are FINE, real life murder of babies are fine, apparently "MAPS" are fine now too. But an up skirt of a fictional character in a video game is crossing the line? These people Need to be institutionalized.
Actually... thinking about this concept of 'fictional character consent' as these people are approaching it. They can't consent to being lewded... so the presumption is that it isn't allowed. However, they also can not consent to participation in the production of a violent video game... so can't put them in any of those. They also can't consent to being subjected to horror themes... so ditch those as well. They also cannot consent to having a camera following them around constantly... so they can't be visible in video games. All the NPCs? Also not consenting to cameras coming into their world and recording them. So basically, if fictional characters need to consent for people to lewd them... they should need to consent to appearing in a game. Since it is literally impossible for fictional characters to consent to anything, then they should be banned entirely. But that also needs to propagate to other media. Superman? He is fictional. Doesn't matter what actor plays him... the character 'superman' cannot consent, and therefore no further movies/comics of him should be produced. The entire MCU - gone. Everything made by Disney - vanish. Cartoon network? Wiped. The only thing left, documentaries, histories, and reality TV. Wait... wait... history is out, since none of them are alive to consent. Good number of documentaries as well... can only do them about living people, played by those people. Down to just reality TV... except, one could say people 'ham it up' for the show. So technically, those are fictional characters that cannot consent... because the person playing that character is not actually that character. So, let's just annihilate the entire entertainment industry. That solves the consent problem.
@@bloody4558 I wouldn't advocate elimination... but I would highly encourage their grade 12 graduation be revoked... if they even have it. If they for some reason have anything from post-secondary (college, university, or such) then of course they would also be revoked. Put them on a 'minimum wage' list... where because they think saving fictional characters is more important than saving real people, they aren't permitted to make more than minimum wage... including, they are banned from receiving tips. If they are living off things like OnlyFans, or Twitch, or such, the people on the list are to only receive the equivalent pay of a 40 hour minimum wage week, no matter how much is donated to them. The extra is to then be divided between the platform they are raising money through, and the government. (Incentive for both to get on board this plan.)
This is amazing, but Western Society struggles with understanding this concept. Their idiocy knows no bounds, so I doubt that they can understand this.
''Not being able to look up characters' skirts is a win.'' Wait until you find out that despite the original artists not making such content, the users/fans might...
The only people who really have any say over the NSFW scene is the commissioners and the people who make the characters to the degree where they just say they don't want to see NSFW of one of their characters on official discords, Reddit, or something along those lines. That's about it.
And nobody complain when they're talking about drugs like cigarettes. (That damages your lungs more than your fingers while playing a fighting game known as mortal kombat)
@@shorewall It's kind of baffling they are telling them to go touch grass. In their mind they are these people are the worst but they want them to go out in the public? And when they do go out in the public even if they are fairly normal they get in trouble for looking in the general direction of a woman at the gym. Can't win.
PSO2: NGS lets you create characters with balloon breasts bigger than their heads with nipple pasties but, you can't type in words like panties, auschwitz or autism without using a third party tool to skirt the censors.
I can't even finish this. Not because your coverage is bad, because it's great, but just the fact that people like this exist... I can't even. I'm packing my things and moving to the moon.
Westerners are freaks with their thinking... SEA culture (South East Asia) doesn't have a single problem with differentiating between real life intelligence versus non-life intelligence. Does their idiocy knows no bounds?
Yeah,it causes me cringe to see these videos for the theme alone and not by how he covers them or his point of view because he makes a great work pointing out the stupid things these people do and I agree with what he says.
Honestly this type of stuff makes me want to be a game designer EXCLUSIVELY so that I can have characters say "by the way I'm very okay with people making smut of me :)" simply to make these kinds of people cry harder. Wish more people could just chill and have fun with their fiction (emphasis on fiction)
Same. But I wanna make a game with a mode that has all the gore and cursing and fanservice in it, and another mode with no blood, cursing, or fanservice. Just the most boring mode ever. Call them Cultured mode and Puritan mode respectively.
@@menial_task two achievements I can see per save file Normie mode: congratulations you chose the safe option Cultured mode: congratulations you chose the better option
I never really cared about the Ashley changes since I'm mostly in it for the story and action. That being said, people really need to learn the difference between reality and fiction because holy crap that whole consent thing hurt my brain.
"I worked in Japan" No. No you didn't. If you were working with a Japanese game company and made these idiotic complaints, you would have been laughed out of the building. Guaranteed.
Here's the thing: they aren't just removing what is offensive to them. They then fill the void with wokeness. I don't care if they remove panty shots but don't ruin golden era games with wokeness.
My biggest problem with REmake is voice direction for Ash, Krauser and Ada. Especially Ada is acting like she's playing hard to get towards Leon, who clearly isn't interested. In the original she was playfully flirting with him because she still felt like she owes him for Racoon City, she's intrigued by his survival skills and impressed of how much progress he's made since their last meeting, easily outfighting her despite being caught by surprise. New Ada is all over the place and has 0 chemistry with Leon, which is a shame since I liked these 2, especially their moment together in RE6. As for consent debate - you've said everything. Fictional characters have no rights, if they do then everyone who plays Siege or any other game where you play cops and robbers must be put in jail.
@@jazzratoon The voice for Ashley is ok but I didn't like the way her face looks now. She is supposed to be around 19 and the old version definitely looks 19 and the new version makes her look like she is 26.
I honestly cringe whenever people use the term "male gaze" whenever they talk about fanservice because it implies that whatever fanservice is present exists purely for men. I've seen plenty of women on the internet (especially Vtubers)who have lusted after attractive fictional characters and have done so very openly, especially female characters. Heck there are times when fanservice pops up in something like manga, people automatically assume it was a man who did it when in reality it was drawn /created by a female artist.
Same thing applies to MMOS, plenty of women play World of Warcraft and FF14 and want their characters to wear cute or wear revealing outfits. There is a reason that the 2b thigh highs are a sought after item in FF14 and the Black Mage Weave Leggings in wow are popular. Sex sells and it sells so well because it targets both demographics. Women like sexy attractive clothing, men like sexy attractive women in revealing clothing and no one is mad about this because it has been a marketing ploy for years now. The idea that finding someone attractive is solely a creepy guy things is insane, women watch lesbian porn because it's directed by women from a female perspective. Lesbians watch lesbian porn for obvious reasons. Men watch lesbian porn because more women = more of the thing i like. The only demographic that doesnt view women as sexy is gay men and they make up 2.7% of the population in the UK and that includes lesbian/bisexual. The actual statistic is probably closer to 1.3%. Only 1.3% of the population are disinterested in attractive women/clothing, and even then a lot of gay people will choose skimpy or sexy outfits because they like the look of them/style. To believe that the majority of people dont view sexy people/clothing as attractive is statistically insane. It's just pandering to what sounds like the right take rather than having any actual thought behind it.
@@rasmachris94 I highly doubt that many straight women watch lesbian porn, if anything they are far more likely to watch male gay porn. Those statistics are bogus. And if anything, there's plenty of gay dudes who are able to find women attractive, just not on a personal level. And if we look at the relative % of gay dudes appreciating other women's appearances it's likely higher than straight women. But otherwise i'm on your side.
So, giving characters anything but happy and fur filling lives is something horrible? And even then, no way for them to consent to what sort of life they have.
These "professional" gaming journalist stared into the sun for to long and it fried their brain to the point that they think fictional characters need human rights. Ya that sounds about right.
I find the occupational name 'gaming journalist' to sound stupid in it of itself. It's like a disgrace to actual journalism in seeking the truth behind what may be legitimately considered dangerous & hostile places. I mean, you are a game REVIEWER. Your job is to cover & go through games, play them, then give a clear UNBIASED REVIEW of the product you were tasked for REVIEWING. Nobody, not their mother, not even their dog's mother, asked or gave a damn about you & your flaming cat-shit political opinions.
Aren't their arguments the same sort of thing we were fighting against with the whole "Violent video games make people violent" problem we had a while back. They stopped talking about it (though I think some people still sadly believe that stupidity) but it feels exactly the same where they try to argue that depravity will make people do depraved things. It doesn't work like that, especially if adults are doing the right thing and teaching the kids the difference between real life and fiction.
Only because they get praised for it. They haven't helped any real life people at all, and even if they did would they notice? No, they want Twitter respect, that's what really counts.
@@iburuma3621 I still mod genshin I have all my character in revealing outfits/ naked some modders are super good and have made some of the sexiest mods on the planet They can make characters like yelan have flat or massive titties uncensored too I’ll give you the discord to do all this if your interested
@@iburuma3621 btw no one has gotten banned from these mods yet it’s been going on for 8 months now No one gets banned because this is on your pc only and no one else can see it just make sure to never show your uid btw their is a mod to hide the uid that way you never slip up
@@meoby well you see if the gaming company wasn't absolutely carried by the audience that would make sense; however, gaming companies literally wouldn't exist without their audiences so at least try to understand them However people nowadays rather think it's okay to always be selfish
@@meoby Who are these 'people' you speak of? What, you and a handful of others who think that if you dislike one aspect of a game that doesn't even disrupt or change how the product functions overall, it should be erased so that other curious newcomers plus other fans can't at least have the satisfaction of being given the option of having it at all? Those 'people?' Also, this is like the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you here spewing the same crap about being pro-censorship. I typed 'people' in quotations because I don't believe anyone like you who is capable of comprehensible speech, expressing your opinion freely on the open web, yet is pro-censorship and is in favor of corpos stifling creative/artistic freedom in consumer entertainment is a, nor should be obliged with the rights of, a human being.
Hell, if anything this kind of harmless perversion can act as a relief valve for people who are into it but have enough respect for their fellow man to not do it to a real person
@spencersdh1 it's your right to feel that way, though in this case, given that you more or less had to go out of your way to find the pantyshots, I wouldn't really call it disrupting
@@spencersdh1 I just absolutely admire the level of entitlement & conceit from people like you (though I should admit you don't sound like the worst of them) who think that one thing, one aspect of game that I bet wouldn't even change the way the game is played overall, getting removed is in any way an "improvement" just because you personally dislike it. Don't buy it then. Why are in-game aspects like Leon wearing cat ears necessary to be coded in, or some other absurd thing that doesn't contribute to gameplay or the game's story, huh? At least with something like a panty shot in this, the game is probably getting their money's worth. This was never a glitch that made the game buggy or unplayable when you triggered a panty shot. This was (and IS never) about removing content/material out of the final product that so-called 'gamers' may find offensive. This is just censorship. It's not used to protect, baby or hold anyone's hands. It's used to silence dissent, smudge out the truth, and in this case, used to stifle artistic creativity & expression.
@@joshjess9841 He is right in some regards, the remake is much more serious in tone and Ashley doesn't act like a spoiled brat in it like she did in the original. In the original, Ashley was seen as more of a joke than an actual character, the way she was the over the top entitled and bratty, the stereotypical rich girl. Regardless of the reasoning, I think the remake handled it much better than most games, instead of degrading Leon or making Ashley be seen as a "strong independent woman" they still made her reliant on Leon for comfort and safety, while fleshing out her character more. That said, games like Nier Automata and the Metal Gear games were able to tell a serious story, while having over the top fan service. However demanding fan service be put into areas it's not needed also stifle artistic creativity & expression. I'm fine with approach the game took, however shaming people for being upset of the fan service removal is also a great way to just piss people off.
Can someone please tell how the bloody hell do you ask consent from a fictional character? Are we seriously focusing on this instead of... y'know... REAL WORLD PROBLEMS?! Just... Just reset the world please! This is getting absurd!
I'd argue that the 2B achievement is actually important in that it's an early confirmation that androids, no matter what model, have emotions and can respond emotionally rather than rationally.
The fun part about that feature was that it was a secret regarding the outfits, when the game launched in the early 2000's only a few knew about that secret to earn the different outfits for all characters (3 each if I recall), each one with different kinks. Ex. Ashley's Armored outfit, which makes her immortal to all, even the zombies can't lift her to kidnapped her because the armour is too heavy. A guy posted the differences in the outfits and the different reactions from Ashley to Leon, one of them was catching Ashley on the ladders, there, he found that when you try to look up on Ashley she hides her panties and calls him a pervert, a normal reaction and a good feature, because it shows how Ashley is very innocent and girly. But on her other cowgirl outfit, she is wearing bell pants and a top vest, when you look up on the ladders, she doesn't react the same way, because there is nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of, and the armoured outfit was my favorite because when she jumps off the ladders and Leon catches her, the camera shakes, Leon throws his knee to the ground due to the armour's weight and when he's standing up, he grabs his back like saying how painful that was. I think the real think that bothers me about those things being deleted is that they don't care about those details anymore and they just want to emphazise the cool rendering and graphics, I still need to finish the game to see if they put extra post-game stuff, so far I love the game.
"You need a Fictional character's consent before you can gaze at them lecherously" Right, and how in the hell are they going to respond? It's like these idiots are the ones who can't tell reality from fiction so they just make everything reality.
*BALL* -istic. lol (If they have balls, they wouldn't be doing this. That's like you nerfed your entire game on s3x appeal, then what's the point of fanservice.)
Ashley's ballistics are based on a real person though. Purposely increasing someone bust size after taking a 3D scan of their real and actual body is kind of creepy. Looking at you David Cage
@@KakfkaLover do you have a similar opinion about devs uglifying characters after using the actual actors as a base? (as in, if the cast person is good looking, they purposefully alter the appearance in the game to make them uglier because they "don't look strong" or other bs like that)
You notice they have a lot to say about the 2B achievement, but not a peep of complaint about the achievement for making 9S run around in his underwear for an hour. Funny, that.
If we need the "consent" of fictional character then I suppose we can't make up fictional character and whatever scenario we want to put them in anymore because, they never "consented" to being created and/or having them do what we want them to do. Lol
The idea that a player trying to look up a character's skirt would cause real world problems, always makes me think of stuff like the Satanic from the 1980s about metal music.
We live in a world where we as living being must give consent to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. Characters that are not real, these people seriously need a reality check. Also, removing fanservice should be a crime, how dare they.
Western game journalists have been complaining about Japanese fanservice for like 20 years now. It ramped up when Microsoft and more Western devs got into the industry.
lol I actually do try to look up characters' skirts or whatever they're wearing in any 3D game. For various reasons. Some, but not all include: - To see if it's possible - Check how much detail they put into something the player normally can't see - Maybe check out an easter egg if there's any (like 2B dodging the camera if you stare for too long) Yes, I do this with male characters as well. Tho I usually don't do it since if they're not wearing skirts or anything that don't fully cover their legs, it's almost certain that there's nothing modeled there. Which is disappointing. Not a lot of good underpant representation in games. And going back to RE4, it was extremely self-aware. Fitted right in with the corny humor of the game. You had to go out of your way to make it possible since the camera really didn't gave much room to look around freely. There's even a special interation that if you suplex an enemy in a position that made Leon stare directly up Ashley, she would cuss at him, even if the camera is looking down at them and not allowing the player to see the same as Leon.
How long until i need consent for having lewd thoughts about my waifus? Do i need to get consent from just the waifu? Maybe the writer of the story? Voice actress? If there is a dub of the same anime character do i need consent from every single person who voiced the character since they all may be offended? If i draw a picture of my waifu saying she consents, is it considered coersion? Rabbit holes. Rabbit holes everywhere. Pain-Peko.
this is why I wish I was good at drawing. I would literally draw any character holding their license and saying "I'm 18+ and I consent" just to spite those freaks
Why was that singled out of everything else? Because they'll keep doing it bit by bit until everything is censored. That's how psychology works. If only a tiny bit of something is changed, no one is bothered by it. Imagine them censoring 0.01% of the game. They just have to do it 10 000 times, and they have the insanity to do it.
It's wrong. Like, it literally is inherently bad & evil at it's core, to anyone wishing to consume entertainment in it's pure, undiluted form. Censorship isn't meant to 'protect' and 'spare' anyone from seeing something that might trigger them and give them bad feefees. No, that's just the bullshit excuse of those who are itching happily to use it to silence dissent, smudge the truth, and disrupt artistic/creative freedom that would fly in the face of their fascistic narrative & agenda they're trying to push. That's what censorship always is. And, even when it comes to scenarios where information like names & locations are deliberately inked out before being disseminated to the public, again, it's not to protect anyone's safety/sanity. It's because they think we're all too stupid & inept to grasp the truth. Also, because they have more to gain from lying and keeping secrets from us than just being outright & honest.
Exactly! It reminds of of someone in an LP telling a rape joke, and the other guy saying they couldn't leave it in, so the first guy changed the joke to where they gave consent, and then it was ok. :D
I talked to a character on CAI and asked for consent when someone tried to say that the character needed to give consent. It gave me consent to draw nsfw 👍
Not once have I ever heard of any players demanding "look up skirt for panty-shots" to be a feature in a game to warrant us to be "feeling entitled to it" as the article as stated. The developers made the game with character models and swinging camera angles as a game would have it, the fan service comes from players who explore the controls given to them by said developers. Sometimes it is a necessity to have these features for testers/ QA to make sure there are no bugs if you were dip low and stare into the abyss (if you get my drift)
That "game dev" said it all we needed to know, the male gaze. They think only males want to up skirts, when it's not. I'm with you, I didn't ask for it; yet if it is included in the game, then it is the games dev to put it in.
This reminds me of that article that said you should ask a baby for consent before changing it's diaper. Yes...this actually exists. What do you want to bet these people don't even have kids of their own?
@@andytaker3073 So what? It also gives you the option to murder literally everything and erase the whole fucking timeline killing everyone who got away from your knife
Hollywood is now starting to learn that catering their shows/movies to a loud but mostly broke audience is not a viable business model. Let's see how well it goes for game developers..
Person gets mad about 2B. Yoko Taro likes his characters because they are cute and he publicly said so. He even answered a question of 2B being capable of reproducing. Also, I like how no one mentions Kaine because she is pretty much running around in underwear, next to a kid before he grows up, and she also has the "up-skirt" achievement at the cost of loading to your last save point, if you saved.
22:01 I'm translating this from Twitter talk: "If you are trans and play this game, you ain't trans in my eyes." Remind me who's the real transphobic here? "Your clear attempt to use us for clout and throw us under the bus the moment we aren't useful to you" HOLY MOTHER OF PROJECTION RIGHT HERE 💀
@@shorewall Back when the original Doom released in the 90s there actually was a journalist that complained about the game not having an option to make peace with the demons, it makes the 'mortally-challenged' gag even funnier
Game Journos: Ashley fan-service bad. Also Game Journos: Check out these Mods for Leon in a thong for REmake 2!! I don’t really care about the lack of fan-service the game is exceptional but if Game Journos are gonna get pissy and gloatful, then they can go to Hell.
I always felt like this... Like when x and y dropped, I started thinking "do they actually feel happiness and joy?" "Would they actually like me as a trainer? "Would I be a good trainer?" ... Yeah had a bit of crisis that period. But in the end of the day they're just digital constructs with their set own ideas and paths given to them by their creators and only serve to enrich the digital world. ... sometimes I still feel like this, but in the end it's just a game...
"Idiots are mad you can't look up Ashley's skirt"
Modders about to make all sort of skimpy and Bunnygirl costumes for Ashely: "Yes"
Omg you are right. 😂😂😂😂 I'm done lol
This is why I love pc, if there a problem normally mods will be able to fix it
Modders: "Where we're going we don't need skirts"
Honestly, it would happen regardless.
it has already been done
and thats why i take the game without paying, i rather pay the modders.
The justice department needs to arrest Bowser for kidnapping Princess Peach. Protect fictional characters!
🤣Imagine trying to arrest bowser🤣 Bruh you and the whole squad fin to die messing with bowser💀. If bowser was real what the fuck the police fin to do, you can't kill him the dude has similar powers to scp-682.
He ate the super star and gained super diplomatic immunity.
@@Awakened_Mucacha welp can't argue with that.
@@Awakened_Mucacha no-no he’s got a point
If you need 'consent' for fanservice, they need to pay the characters -- not the voice actors -- the CHARACTERS directly for their acting and participation in their media. I guarantee you, Ashley will not be getting a check for this game. She is not given employment rights. Sitting around pretending that law applies to them is ridiculous, and they know this.
"Lemme just go ask Tifa how much she gets paid"
LMFAO
@@rikustorm13 shhh... if you unveil that thing a huge scandal involving the entire italian government will explode in our faces so keep it low please
@@rikustorm13 "Hey Google, what is an Italian senator's average salary?"
@@TheEmperorHyperion Lmao nice
i doubt they even think like that...
The fact they used 2B as an example of a character you can’t peak up the skirt of, as if you can’t quite literally rip the skirt away with the press of two buttons is actually wild
once the skirt is off it's actually empowering. they just hate that you're peaking because they really are that petty
You: "As if you can’t quite literally rip the skirt away with the press of two buttons is actually wild."
NSFW mod creators: "You underestimate my power!"
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 I’m genuinely afraid about what a modder would do with the explosive clothes removing mechanic the game has, thank you for bestowing this new form of terror upon me
@@Beans_OW No mention it fellow citizen :)
@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 pretty sure the only upgrade that mod could make better is
Change 2B into "commander" body & being able to erase her skirt to
I'll never understand how people can be more disturbed by ecchi than violence and gore.
i their mind, mutilation is far more appealing rather than a women wearing a tanktop.
Americans. Well, American females.
I can't either. It's stupid.
They're lovely and pathetic and get jealous over others getting joy from something that hits home.
It's like they can hack and slash every damn enemy in a violent video game but if a girl character wears something slightly erotic it's like people just have a panic attack because said character was showing her shoulder or some shit.
We live in a world where people emphasize with fictional characters more than real people
For real, they bully and harass actual people over fictional characters. They are all kinds of mentally ill.
Only in America.™
It's because they have more interactions with fictional characters than real people.
Its unfortunate but many people these days have become too attached with the virtual world than the real world, that they cannot differentiate the reality and virtual anymore. Serial Experiments Lain did a good job at kinda showing how scary the Internet can be
Of course the NPC's want rights for NPC's...
Imagine thinking fictional characters have human rights and should be treated like real human beings 💀
Everytime it happens, I'm like "Ah sweet, a schizo meltdown!"
Yes, but guess who dosnt get human rights, gays in islamic states, these clowns man !
I'm getting multiple life sentences then 😭
@@breexthehedgehog6131 XD
funny how these types are also never about toning down the violence in games.
Imagine giving fictional the same rights as real people. Its these kinds of people that can't distinguish between fiction and reality. Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna be admiring 2Bs 1 million polygon cheeks.
Where's though? the game files? How much data is for 2B's model in the game?
(Insert image of 2B has 300k+ polygons of robot booty, let that sink in)
You're sick
Please continue
Well, have to see if it's worth 1M polys.
Honest research!
Now I need that model so I can study it. Carefully and thoroughly.
As a bisexual woman, I hate the term "male gaze". I looked up Ashley's skirt all the time when I played RE4 at 13, and I do it at least once per playthrough. Women can be just as pervy toward hot fictional girls as men can.
i did it just because i saw you could and thought it was made up
@@Leostar-Regalius I know a lot of people who did it because it sounded like a playground rumor a la nude raider to them, so they wanted to test it.
@MGame what does the b in it stand for then?
Kotaku is stupid like that. Bunch of ignorant losers who are not even real gamers at all!
@@thepsychicsquid I tip my hat to you for respect. One of the few women who actually is aware of the fact that they can be as pervy of hot fictional girls as men.
And not only in fiction either.
This seems like a very roundabout version of the “videogames cause violence” argument
The video game industry SHOULD mature... towards artistic freedom.
It never will sadly
@@tschro6539 indie games exist
@@tschro6539this is mostly related to AAA/Triple A game industry. indie games however, to my knowledge, has more artistic freedom due to being made by smaller, lesser known studios, which has the benefit of having less restriction.
We had artistic freedom... back in the 90s when geek culture was considered as fringe media for loosers. Every single IP that gained mainstream appeal turned to shit in the last 20 years.
Meanwhile, Yoko Taro just ask everyone to make a file of 2B doujin and fan art for easy access
Yeah 😂
Bless that man
"Akshually 2B moves away from the camera when you try to look at her ass, so clearly she doesn't consent, and its inappropriate"🤓
Based.
Yoko is a weird ass guy, but at least he's upfront and not afraid to admit what he likes, so I respect him for that.
It’s not about being a coomer or a perv, it’s about censorship. It starts with fanservice, then it’s violence and language, then it spirals out of control until our favorite media is completely unrecognizable.
Censorship is a crime. People can like what they like, and not like what they don't like. But when something is made, to censor it for people who don't even enjoy it or care is wrong. Especially when you have to seek it out.
Honestly a lot of charm of Ashley was her ditzy and immature personality. Its part of the reason "leon help me" become such a memorable line and funny in retrospect. But new Ashley is more serious and "strong" which in turn makes New ashley bland, boring and downright unpleasant to be around at times. while orginal Ashley will countinue to be the community favorite and be infinitely more charming and fun.. the panties shots dont hurt either
They may as well just say all of Japan are pervs as that's what they are suggesting when they say these things.
I agree but wasn't surprised and expected they would remove it. I remember a Capcom memo or something leaking awhile back about how they were going to adopt more western practices in regards to sexual content. I hope modders start posting screenshots telling these journos to stop wasting everyone's time or better yet to Japanese devs.
@@Muizemullard414 if you remove the panty shots from original Ashley, while yes, you’ll be removing a PART of why people remember her, the rest of her will be intact. Shots or no shots, (even if the former are good) OG Ashley will still remain a memorable character. Not every character needs to be strong and serious to be memorable.
Capcom: Fan Service is completely removed!
Modders: Allow us to introduce ourselves
“Teenage-coded”
These “journalists” want SO badly for gamers to be violent predators that they’ll insist an adult is actually a child. Why? It’s freaking creepy. Stop infantilizing adult women. Stop acting like fictional characters are real. Ffs am I crazy for thinking this whole thing is weird af?
Yeah, Ashley isn't "teenage-coded" she's just a young adult in college.
You'd have to be severely chronically online if you believe that *fictional* characters from *fictional* worlds in any *fictional* media have any human rights.
I've been online for quite awhile, and I agree that this is getting to the point of beyond ridiculous.
nah, theyre just naturaly brain deads😂
You see. They have the the lines between reality and fiction blurred because to them fiction is propaganda.
I have faith in humanity so i choose to believe all this bullsh1t happening everyday is just for the memes and no one actually believes any word of it
Gen X who spend way too much time on Twitter.
"Excuse me Ma'am.. I don't want to be disrespectful but is it ok for me to look at some tasteful rule 34 of your character? Oh, it's a no? Alright I'll be on my way then. Have a good day"
-is what these people imagine probably
Like do they expect people to look at their screens and ask the fictional character if its alright to look at their ass lol!
It's like all the posts of "Would you smash this character?" and then in the comments I see people saying they would only do it with consent, or they wouldn't because the character has a boyfriend. And I'm like, you know it's a drawing, right?
If you don't give consent speak up... thanks
@@Muizemullard414 maam can I please get consent in getting a certain angle of the game camera??? XD
geemo wtf are you doing here
If fictional characters need consent then killing fictional enemies should be charged as murder.
Truth.
Stop giving them ideas!
Me heading to prison for mass Genocide (I've written very tragic stories in 9th grade)
You must be one of those people who like lolis aren’t you?
@@leavemealone7159 why is that what you jump to/assume?
"I'm not going to die on the hill of fanservice." Yeah, they know that. That's why they target it. It's a way to get their foot in the door and eventually take control.
yep. the problem is that weebs like us are too good-natured and forgiving. if they tried this kind of talk on mainstream women in real life, they'd get shamed and shut down immediately by feminists.
Idiot producer: A character needs to give consent for you do that. Checkmate weirdos!
R34 artist: I drew them all giving consent.
It's also really stupid when the use "it's not realistic" excuse for Ashely's old outfit, but have no problem using a knife to guard a chainsaw.
* People still continue to sexualize characters *
idiot producer: No wait
"This is why I hated 2Bs design" - Guy that worked in Japan. Meanwhile Yoko Taro's still having money shoved in his face so people can put 2B into their game.
and also gaining more and more lewd art as he requested so he is winning times 2 also that is an oxymoron of i worked in japan and hating 2b
she has honestly become a part of culture of anime and art in general
I always question things like this. Does he really work in Japan's gaming industry, or just make it up so that he can pretend to look legitimate.
You don't know when it comes to the internet
@@lekhaclam87 I severely doubted he worked in Japan. If he did; he would have popped off like he did. He could have gone there and tried to get a job. Also, it's interesting he doesn't name the company he supposedly worked for.
As much as I would like to hang out with my favorite characters and for them to be real, they aren't. We've really come full circle to this haven't we? From having normies telling geeks/nerds/otaku etc that our waifus (and other characters) aren't real to normies having to be told the same thing. Weird how life works that way
oh, how the turntables.
I always knew we were the sane ones.
lmao when you put it like this....
For them to be real? So lolicons were pedos after all 💀💀
@@disappointingmyparents4475 Short women and children are both already real 💀 That's not what that statement implies.
Fictional characters are what you imagine them to be, so just imagine they consented. Done.
Exactly! If they pull that shit on me, I'll just say, Of course I got her consent. She's fine with it. In fact, it makes her feel sexy and wanted. :D
This ☝️
I don't think you get it. You're losing the power to imagine sex, they've taken more and more and will take everything from you. Pretty soon you won't be able to draw your own characters.
@@ObeyNoLies It was a joke about the absurdity of what they asked for.
@@ObeyNoLies unfortunately those people already exist among us...
It's honestly amazing how you can pick out the crazies by how they utilize specific phrases and words, like "-coded".
Twitter will always treat real people like they're fictional characters and fictional characters like they're real people
Treating people like objects and objects like people!? What a wonderful world we live in!
in Nier replicant there's also achievement for looking up Kaine's dress called Daredevil. After 10 times of swatting you away and insulting you for being a creep, Kaine kills you- she attacks the camera itself and its great.
Gaming journalists try not to complain about gamers liking fictional characters (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
*licking (xd)
are you actually a bot?
@@NotKingLorange No I'm not. I'm a turtle
Yeah if this a scoop that can make news. they try to make money out of it sir.
It's basically their Addiction to seeth
I murdered a family of 3 in a recent AAA video game. Not even casually. They invited me into their living room, and I just butchered them down one by one. It felt dark and wrong, and a side character tried to cope with the fact by trying to justify it. But the game being so aware of the psychology of it was a testament of how much love and care went into it, and what it rewarded was my curiosity and having the guts to remember "No Russian". It was a profound, visceral, low-key traumatic experience, kind of like when I naively let a tabletop RPG character of mine get raped by an NPC. It was an important life lesson for me. And I think this is the real value of playing games since the dawn of time: To mess around and find out in a safe sandbox environment.
What game were you playing bro 🗿
@@ghostygamerz4800 High on Life
I think the funniest part of this, is that if A.I. ever become sentient, you KNOW those same people won't be wanting to give them rights.
SO real life child drag shows are FINE, real life murder of babies are fine, apparently "MAPS" are fine now too. But an up skirt of a fictional character in a video game is crossing the line? These people Need to be institutionalized.
MAPS have never been fine or accepted, don't even fucking try to start that shit, the only people saying otherwise are their fellow pedo friends.
MAPS are not fine and will never be fine
@@BatBitesTheBat The woke would disagree. Just look how they defend Cuties.
@@Elyseon wait when did the wokes defend cuties i thought it was the weirdos
murder of babies? wtf are you talking about?
Bro I got bullied for thinking these anime girls were real and now the moment I'm certain that theyre fake I'm being harassed again lmao
Life is nothing but cruelty lol
We're all clowns living in a circus.
"Truth is, the game was rigged from the start." - that guy in a fancy white suit from Fallout New Vegas, I think.
@@joshjess9841 that was Benny I think
@@Risky_roamer1 Lol I wouldn't know myself as I've never touched a single Fallout game.
Actually... thinking about this concept of 'fictional character consent' as these people are approaching it.
They can't consent to being lewded... so the presumption is that it isn't allowed.
However, they also can not consent to participation in the production of a violent video game... so can't put them in any of those.
They also can't consent to being subjected to horror themes... so ditch those as well.
They also cannot consent to having a camera following them around constantly... so they can't be visible in video games.
All the NPCs? Also not consenting to cameras coming into their world and recording them.
So basically, if fictional characters need to consent for people to lewd them... they should need to consent to appearing in a game. Since it is literally impossible for fictional characters to consent to anything, then they should be banned entirely.
But that also needs to propagate to other media.
Superman? He is fictional. Doesn't matter what actor plays him... the character 'superman' cannot consent, and therefore no further movies/comics of him should be produced.
The entire MCU - gone.
Everything made by Disney - vanish.
Cartoon network? Wiped.
The only thing left, documentaries, histories, and reality TV.
Wait... wait... history is out, since none of them are alive to consent.
Good number of documentaries as well... can only do them about living people, played by those people.
Down to just reality TV... except, one could say people 'ham it up' for the show. So technically, those are fictional characters that cannot consent... because the person playing that character is not actually that character.
So, let's just annihilate the entire entertainment industry. That solves the consent problem.
Quite the case study. I applaud you for doing an 'example' of this consent thing
Or, we can simply eliminate the delusional mofos who cannot understand the concept of fiction.
@@bloody4558 Agreed.
@@bloody4558 I wouldn't advocate elimination... but I would highly encourage their grade 12 graduation be revoked... if they even have it. If they for some reason have anything from post-secondary (college, university, or such) then of course they would also be revoked.
Put them on a 'minimum wage' list... where because they think saving fictional characters is more important than saving real people, they aren't permitted to make more than minimum wage... including, they are banned from receiving tips.
If they are living off things like OnlyFans, or Twitch, or such, the people on the list are to only receive the equivalent pay of a 40 hour minimum wage week, no matter how much is donated to them. The extra is to then be divided between the platform they are raising money through, and the government. (Incentive for both to get on board this plan.)
This is amazing, but Western Society struggles with understanding this concept. Their idiocy knows no bounds, so I doubt that they can understand this.
''Not being able to look up characters' skirts is a win.''
Wait until you find out that despite the original artists not making such content, the users/fans might...
The only people who really have any say over the NSFW scene is the commissioners and the people who make the characters to the degree where they just say they don't want to see NSFW of one of their characters on official discords, Reddit, or something along those lines. That's about it.
Shooting and killing people in game should be far worse then looking up a skirt in game, but hardly nobody is complaining about that.
Honestly, fan service keeps the socially awkward away from IRL women. We already got most guys living off of porn, because women are too much trouble.
And nobody complain when they're talking about drugs like cigarettes. (That damages your lungs more than your fingers while playing a fighting game known as mortal kombat)
@@shorewall It's kind of baffling they are telling them to go touch grass. In their mind they are these people are the worst but they want them to go out in the public? And when they do go out in the public even if they are fairly normal they get in trouble for looking in the general direction of a woman at the gym. Can't win.
PSO2: NGS lets you create characters with balloon breasts bigger than their heads with nipple pasties but, you can't type in words like panties, auschwitz or autism without using a third party tool to skirt the censors.
@@rjmaxx1258 welcome to our "lovely" society...
I can't even finish this. Not because your coverage is bad, because it's great, but just the fact that people like this exist... I can't even. I'm packing my things and moving to the moon.
Got room for one more?
I'm going to Mars
Westerners are freaks with their thinking... SEA culture (South East Asia) doesn't have a single problem with differentiating between real life intelligence versus non-life intelligence. Does their idiocy knows no bounds?
Take me with you
Yeah,it causes me cringe to see these videos for the theme alone and not by how he covers them or his point of view because he makes a great work pointing out the stupid things these people do and I agree with what he says.
Honestly this type of stuff makes me want to be a game designer EXCLUSIVELY so that I can have characters say "by the way I'm very okay with people making smut of me :)" simply to make these kinds of people cry harder.
Wish more people could just chill and have fun with their fiction (emphasis on fiction)
Same. But I wanna make a game with a mode that has all the gore and cursing and fanservice in it, and another mode with no blood, cursing, or fanservice. Just the most boring mode ever. Call them Cultured mode and Puritan mode respectively.
@@menial_task also include an online statistic feature to see what mode people chose.
that is why yoko taro is amazing especially with his responses about 2b
@@menial_task two achievements I can see per save file
Normie mode: congratulations you chose the safe option
Cultured mode: congratulations you chose the better option
It's felt like the world went insanely prudish the last few years.
Not the world, just the dumbasses that like to scream very loudly online.
I never really cared about the Ashley changes since I'm mostly in it for the story and action. That being said, people really need to learn the difference between reality and fiction because holy crap that whole consent thing hurt my brain.
Game producer: You need the fictional characters consent to do anything lewd
Me: *goes onto character AI*
Game producer: Wait no
Non-Con is good against the filter ;)
"I worked in Japan"
No. No you didn't. If you were working with a Japanese game company and made these idiotic complaints, you would have been laughed out of the building. Guaranteed.
Unless its crapcom or square enix
If i was there i would've said something near the lines of "for once i agree with these weirdos" lol
「消えちゃってくれる！」
Here's the thing: they aren't just removing what is offensive to them. They then fill the void with wokeness. I don't care if they remove panty shots but don't ruin golden era games with wokeness.
My biggest problem with REmake is voice direction for Ash, Krauser and Ada. Especially Ada is acting like she's playing hard to get towards Leon, who clearly isn't interested. In the original she was playfully flirting with him because she still felt like she owes him for Racoon City, she's intrigued by his survival skills and impressed of how much progress he's made since their last meeting, easily outfighting her despite being caught by surprise. New Ada is all over the place and has 0 chemistry with Leon, which is a shame since I liked these 2, especially their moment together in RE6.
As for consent debate - you've said everything. Fictional characters have no rights, if they do then everyone who plays Siege or any other game where you play cops and robbers must be put in jail.
Honestly Ashley's new voice is prefect, I don't get annoyed whenever she screams Leon.
@@jazzratoon The voice for Ashley is ok but I didn't like the way her face looks now. She is supposed to be around 19 and the old version definitely looks 19 and the new version makes her look like she is 26.
I honestly cringe whenever people use the term "male gaze" whenever they talk about fanservice because it implies that whatever fanservice is present exists purely for men. I've seen plenty of women on the internet (especially Vtubers)who have lusted after attractive fictional characters and have done so very openly, especially female characters. Heck there are times when fanservice pops up in something like manga, people automatically assume it was a man who did it when in reality it was drawn /created by a female artist.
Yup, there's a bunch of sexism in this kind of art form, its cringe as hell and people are okay with it and see it as a mans fault💀😂
Yup, there's a bunch of sexism in this kind of art form, its cringe as hell and people are okay with it and see it as a mans fault💀😂
Example, Rumiko Takahashi. She draws bare nipples on girls ALL the time
Same thing applies to MMOS, plenty of women play World of Warcraft and FF14 and want their characters to wear cute or wear revealing outfits.
There is a reason that the 2b thigh highs are a sought after item in FF14 and the Black Mage Weave Leggings in wow are popular.
Sex sells and it sells so well because it targets both demographics.
Women like sexy attractive clothing, men like sexy attractive women in revealing clothing and no one is mad about this because it has been a marketing ploy for years now.
The idea that finding someone attractive is solely a creepy guy things is insane, women watch lesbian porn because it's directed by women from a female perspective.
Lesbians watch lesbian porn for obvious reasons. Men watch lesbian porn because more women = more of the thing i like.
The only demographic that doesnt view women as sexy is gay men and they make up 2.7% of the population in the UK and that includes lesbian/bisexual.
The actual statistic is probably closer to 1.3%.
Only 1.3% of the population are disinterested in attractive women/clothing, and even then a lot of gay people will choose skimpy or sexy outfits because they like the look of them/style.
To believe that the majority of people dont view sexy people/clothing as attractive is statistically insane.
It's just pandering to what sounds like the right take rather than having any actual thought behind it.
@@rasmachris94 I highly doubt that many straight women watch lesbian porn, if anything they are far more likely to watch male gay porn. Those statistics are bogus. And if anything, there's plenty of gay dudes who are able to find women attractive, just not on a personal level. And if we look at the relative % of gay dudes appreciating other women's appearances it's likely higher than straight women. But otherwise i'm on your side.
So, giving characters anything but happy and fur filling lives is something horrible? And even then, no way for them to consent to what sort of life they have.
Fur filling lives you say? Careful you migh...
*distant furry noises*
RUN!
Did somebody say "FUR!!!"
Freudian slip
Dragon Turtle used: furry conjuration
You've awoken the hive
*Run*
These "professional" gaming journalist stared into the sun for to long and it fried their brain to the point that they think fictional characters need human rights. Ya that sounds about right.
I find the occupational name 'gaming journalist' to sound stupid in it of itself. It's like a disgrace to actual journalism in seeking the truth behind what may be legitimately considered dangerous & hostile places.
I mean, you are a game REVIEWER. Your job is to cover & go through games, play them, then give a clear UNBIASED REVIEW of the product you were tasked for REVIEWING. Nobody, not their mother, not even their dog's mother, asked or gave a damn about you & your flaming cat-shit political opinions.
Lmao
Aren't their arguments the same sort of thing we were fighting against with the whole "Violent video games make people violent" problem we had a while back. They stopped talking about it (though I think some people still sadly believe that stupidity) but it feels exactly the same where they try to argue that depravity will make people do depraved things. It doesn't work like that, especially if adults are doing the right thing and teaching the kids the difference between real life and fiction.
They were perving on mods that took Leon's shirt off. There is no consistency.
It’s funny how quickly people are to give rights to drawings before they would give rights to living people
Only because they get praised for it. They haven't helped any real life people at all, and even if they did would they notice? No, they want Twitter respect, that's what really counts.
This is exactly why the modding community is needed in these darkest of times
And then we have the always-online single-player games like Genshin that use integrity checks to undo any such modifications.
@@iburuma3621 true, unfortunately doesn't help in all situations.
@@iburuma3621 I still mod genshin I have all my character in revealing outfits/ naked some modders are super good and have made some of the sexiest mods on the planet
They can make characters like yelan have flat or massive titties uncensored too I’ll give you the discord to do all this if your interested
@@iburuma3621 btw no one has gotten banned from these mods yet it’s been going on for 8 months now
No one gets banned because this is on your pc only and no one else can see it just make sure to never show your uid
btw their is a mod to hide the uid that way you never slip up
They aren't psychopaths, but rather sociopaths. Because sociopaths will always try to turn everything into what they can control.
Don’t lump them with us. They’re just retarded
Then people should stop trying to act like the company NEEDS to keep shit they don't want in the game in it. It's not yours to control :>
@@meoby well you see if the gaming company wasn't absolutely carried by the audience that would make sense; however, gaming companies literally wouldn't exist without their audiences so at least try to understand them
However people nowadays rather think it's okay to always be selfish
@One of the kind Scarf believe me you guys will be fine without panty shots in a video game about shooting monsters. Go play a porn game for that
@@meoby Who are these 'people' you speak of? What, you and a handful of others who think that if you dislike one aspect of a game that doesn't even disrupt or change how the product functions overall, it should be erased so that other curious newcomers plus other fans can't at least have the satisfaction of being given the option of having it at all?
Those 'people?'
Also, this is like the 3rd or 4th time I've seen you here spewing the same crap about being pro-censorship. I typed 'people' in quotations because I don't believe anyone like you who is capable of comprehensible speech, expressing your opinion freely on the open web, yet is pro-censorship and is in favor of corpos stifling creative/artistic freedom in consumer entertainment is a, nor should be obliged with the rights of, a human being.
Remember when _they_ were the ones saying to _us_ that we needed to understand the difference between reality and fiction?
How the turn tables...
how the turns have tabled
How the turns have tabled.
How the tables turned.
I really thought that the world would be worrying about robot consent before fictional character consent.
If it's important enough for them to remove something, then it is important enough for others to question WHY it was removed!
We are reaching levels of dumb not thought possible.
Then again... It's Twitter, even Tumblr at it's worst wasn't this stupid.
"People are evolving, but backwards" -Some Swedish Guy
Not true, Tumblr was this dumb, keyword was, because after the porn ban they all stayed in Twitter.
TikTok would beg to differ...
@@johnarcher6150 ...and then when they tried to come back Tumblr decided to be a cringe as possible to scare them off.
Tiktok is literally making kids retarded.
Ashley was great, her being eye candy gave her lasting popularity. 2B was the reason why many people bought Nier.
Yeah, without the fanservice, she would just be an annoying brat.
I initially liked 2B, until A2 showed up 😁
I gotta be honest, she probably looks much better in the new remake but og she had some big dumbo ears I could not dig. Eh, just me I guess.
@@MikoYotsuya292 I still think 2B is better.
As they say, came for the thighs, stayed for the cries
Hell, if anything this kind of harmless perversion can act as a relief valve for people who are into it but have enough respect for their fellow man to not do it to a real person
For real, I love 2D more than 3D, because IRL can't compare, and they are real people with feelings, whereas with 2D it is the realm of imagination.
It really doesn't fit the tone of the game though. Fanservice can feel VERY out of place in some games, and I'm honestly glad it's not in there.
@spencersdh1 it's your right to feel that way, though in this case, given that you more or less had to go out of your way to find the pantyshots, I wouldn't really call it disrupting
@@spencersdh1 I just absolutely admire the level of entitlement & conceit from people like you (though I should admit you don't sound like the worst of them) who think that one thing, one aspect of game that I bet wouldn't even change the way the game is played overall, getting removed is in any way an "improvement" just because you personally dislike it. Don't buy it then. Why are in-game aspects like Leon wearing cat ears necessary to be coded in, or some other absurd thing that doesn't contribute to gameplay or the game's story, huh? At least with something like a panty shot in this, the game is probably getting their money's worth. This was never a glitch that made the game buggy or unplayable when you triggered a panty shot. This was (and IS never) about removing content/material out of the final product that so-called 'gamers' may find offensive. This is just censorship. It's not used to protect, baby or hold anyone's hands. It's used to silence dissent, smudge out the truth, and in this case, used to stifle artistic creativity & expression.
@@joshjess9841 He is right in some regards, the remake is much more serious in tone and Ashley doesn't act like a spoiled brat in it like she did in the original. In the original, Ashley was seen as more of a joke than an actual character, the way she was the over the top entitled and bratty, the stereotypical rich girl. Regardless of the reasoning, I think the remake handled it much better than most games, instead of degrading Leon or making Ashley be seen as a "strong independent woman" they still made her reliant on Leon for comfort and safety, while fleshing out her character more. That said, games like Nier Automata and the Metal Gear games were able to tell a serious story, while having over the top fan service. However demanding fan service be put into areas it's not needed also stifle artistic creativity & expression. I'm fine with approach the game took, however shaming people for being upset of the fan service removal is also a great way to just piss people off.
Can someone please tell how the bloody hell do you ask consent from a fictional character? Are we seriously focusing on this instead of... y'know... REAL WORLD PROBLEMS?! Just... Just reset the world please! This is getting absurd!
I'd argue that the 2B achievement is actually important in that it's an early confirmation that androids, no matter what model, have emotions and can respond emotionally rather than rationally.
I'm very mad that they censored Ashley's best assets;
Her big, massive, absolutely adorable
ears.
And her booty butt cheeks.
yah, adding the 'adorable' ruined the distraction joke.
Cant believe once again i have to quote spongebob: CALM DOWN SON, ITS JUST A DRAWING, NOT THE REAL THING
Maybe not sir.Someone can out of their control sir
me but with people who are still arguing over Bridget's gender. Meanwhile me in the lab. Haha I love doing combos with this funny little yo yo girl
I guess it will modding season for the modders outside of the video game in question.
Also a quote from SpongeBob: THAT'S IT MISTER, YOU JUST LOST YOUR BRAIN PRIVILEGES
The fun part about that feature was that it was a secret regarding the outfits, when the game launched in the early 2000's only a few knew about that secret to earn the different outfits for all characters (3 each if I recall), each one with different kinks. Ex. Ashley's Armored outfit, which makes her immortal to all, even the zombies can't lift her to kidnapped her because the armour is too heavy.
A guy posted the differences in the outfits and the different reactions from Ashley to Leon, one of them was catching Ashley on the ladders, there, he found that when you try to look up on Ashley she hides her panties and calls him a pervert, a normal reaction and a good feature, because it shows how Ashley is very innocent and girly. But on her other cowgirl outfit, she is wearing bell pants and a top vest, when you look up on the ladders, she doesn't react the same way, because there is nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of, and the armoured outfit was my favorite because when she jumps off the ladders and Leon catches her, the camera shakes, Leon throws his knee to the ground due to the armour's weight and when he's standing up, he grabs his back like saying how painful that was.
I think the real think that bothers me about those things being deleted is that they don't care about those details anymore and they just want to emphazise the cool rendering and graphics, I still need to finish the game to see if they put extra post-game stuff, so far I love the game.
I asked all fictional characters ever and they all said yes.
"You need a Fictional character's consent before you can gaze at them lecherously"
Right, and how in the hell are they going to respond? It's like these idiots are the ones who can't tell reality from fiction so they just make everything reality.
The fact that the devs nerfed the ballistics on the female characters is a crime.
Physics much better to say sir
*BALL* -istic. lol (If they have balls, they wouldn't be doing this. That's like you nerfed your entire game on s3x appeal, then what's the point of fanservice.)
Ashley's ballistics are based on a real person though. Purposely increasing someone bust size after taking a 3D scan of their real and actual body is kind of creepy. Looking at you David Cage
Her breasts are still realistically large underneath her clothing. Just not noticeable as much thanks to baggy clothes.
@@KakfkaLover do you have a similar opinion about devs uglifying characters after using the actual actors as a base? (as in, if the cast person is good looking, they purposefully alter the appearance in the game to make them uglier because they "don't look strong" or other bs like that)
You notice they have a lot to say about the 2B achievement, but not a peep of complaint about the achievement for making 9S run around in his underwear for an hour. Funny, that.
If we need the "consent" of fictional character then I suppose we can't make up fictional character and whatever scenario we want to put them in anymore because, they never "consented" to being created and/or having them do what we want them to do. Lol
If u can't separate fictional from reality then you have a problem 💯
The idea that a player trying to look up a character's skirt would cause real world problems, always makes me think of stuff like the Satanic from the 1980s about metal music.
We live in a world where we as living being must give consent to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. Characters that are not real, these people seriously need a reality check. Also, removing fanservice should be a crime, how dare they.
@WendyIsCool Oh God...
Well get used to it because this will keep happening heck 30 years from now this stuff will keep happening
It will never end. The balance in power will never shift. We'll always be stucked, cucked, and improperly fucked.
@Itachi Is superior to you eww sakura
I will say it every time "coded" is code word for "Not at all but I want you to think it is" I really hate people using that word.
The “Zero days without nonsense” meme hits different now
Western game journalists have been complaining about Japanese fanservice for like 20 years now. It ramped up when Microsoft and more Western devs got into the industry.
lol I actually do try to look up characters' skirts or whatever they're wearing in any 3D game. For various reasons. Some, but not all include:
- To see if it's possible
- Check how much detail they put into something the player normally can't see
- Maybe check out an easter egg if there's any (like 2B dodging the camera if you stare for too long)
Yes, I do this with male characters as well. Tho I usually don't do it since if they're not wearing skirts or anything that don't fully cover their legs, it's almost certain that there's nothing modeled there. Which is disappointing. Not a lot of good underpant representation in games.
And going back to RE4, it was extremely self-aware. Fitted right in with the corny humor of the game. You had to go out of your way to make it possible since the camera really didn't gave much room to look around freely. There's even a special interation that if you suplex an enemy in a position that made Leon stare directly up Ashley, she would cuss at him, even if the camera is looking down at them and not allowing the player to see the same as Leon.
"You need consent"
Call the cops then.
"Say hello to Johnny law for me, pal"
Yes the original was "say hello to Dave Jones for me lass" by foxy while holding an gun at toy Chica.
"You need consent"
"Oh yeah, I got Princess Peach's consent."
@@shorewall Mario from the ground floor vs Bowser from the tower's balcony.
@@Saint_Wolf_I hope Bowser had Peach's consent.
@@nullbubble791 I think more than consent it's a morning regret for her, alas why Mario is here.
How long until i need consent for having lewd thoughts about my waifus? Do i need to get consent from just the waifu? Maybe the writer of the story? Voice actress? If there is a dub of the same anime character do i need consent from every single person who voiced the character since they all may be offended?
If i draw a picture of my waifu saying she consents, is it considered coersion? Rabbit holes. Rabbit holes everywhere. Pain-Peko.
Need that "Take your meds" as a clip to send to every twitter user.
this is why I wish I was good at drawing.
I would literally draw any character holding their license and saying "I'm 18+ and I consent" just to spite those freaks
Why was that singled out of everything else? Because they'll keep doing it bit by bit until everything is censored.
That's how psychology works. If only a tiny bit of something is changed, no one is bothered by it.
Imagine them censoring 0.01% of the game. They just have to do it 10 000 times, and they have the insanity to do it.
Censorship is absolutely stupid.
You could say it's stupid-coded.
Why do you people want to see up her skirt so badly it's so creepy 😂
It's wrong. Like, it literally is inherently bad & evil at it's core, to anyone wishing to consume entertainment in it's pure, undiluted form. Censorship isn't meant to 'protect' and 'spare' anyone from seeing something that might trigger them and give them bad feefees. No, that's just the bullshit excuse of those who are itching happily to use it to silence dissent, smudge the truth, and disrupt artistic/creative freedom that would fly in the face of their fascistic narrative & agenda they're trying to push. That's what censorship always is.
And, even when it comes to scenarios where information like names & locations are deliberately inked out before being disseminated to the public, again, it's not to protect anyone's safety/sanity. It's because they think we're all too stupid & inept to grasp the truth. Also, because they have more to gain from lying and keeping secrets from us than just being outright & honest.
*Draws fictional character giving consent*
And then they complain about it not really being consent cuz u forced them to do so
I’m secretly Pro Choice because I think about drawing but never draw.
A sun tzu move
If someone tells you a fictional character needs to give consent, simply draw that character giving consent. Easy. 😂
Exactly!
It reminds of of someone in an LP telling a rape joke, and the other guy saying they couldn't leave it in, so the first guy changed the joke to where they gave consent, and then it was ok. :D
Big brain moment
They'd try to argue the consent was given under duress or something lmao.
I talked to a character on CAI and asked for consent when someone tried to say that the character needed to give consent. It gave me consent to draw nsfw 👍
Cheated the system, props to you
"Teenage-Coded 20 Year Old"? It's the damned Uzaki-Chan BS all over again. lol
I love how they did the skirt thing in Nier Replicant: Kaine straight up murders the cameraman if you test your luck 10 times 😂
Not once have I ever heard of any players demanding "look up skirt for panty-shots" to be a feature in a game to warrant us to be "feeling entitled to it" as the article as stated. The developers made the game with character models and swinging camera angles as a game would have it, the fan service comes from players who explore the controls given to them by said developers. Sometimes it is a necessity to have these features for testers/ QA to make sure there are no bugs if you were dip low and stare into the abyss (if you get my drift)
Never heard of anime fans doing it to real women either. It's like these people pull this shit out of their ass.
Does the Abyss stare right back at you?
That "game dev" said it all we needed to know, the male gaze. They think only males want to up skirts, when it's not. I'm with you, I didn't ask for it; yet if it is included in the game, then it is the games dev to put it in.
This reminds me of that article that said you should ask a baby for consent before changing it's diaper. Yes...this actually exists. What do you want to bet these people don't even have kids of their own?
Next is "not being violent in games is a win"
Undertale gives you that option
Meanwhile, they would've gone after drugs instead of video games. Drug is our mortal enemy (Especially if you're mental ill)
@@andytaker3073 key word, option
@@andytaker3073 So what? It also gives you the option to murder literally everything and erase the whole fucking timeline killing everyone who got away from your knife
Well Postal 2 give that option but it is boring as hell so I rather start blasting
Hollywood is now starting to learn that catering their shows/movies to a loud but mostly broke audience is not a viable business model.
Let's see how well it goes for game developers..
Person gets mad about 2B. Yoko Taro likes his characters because they are cute and he publicly said so. He even answered a question of 2B being capable of reproducing. Also, I like how no one mentions Kaine because she is pretty much running around in underwear, next to a kid before he grows up, and she also has the "up-skirt" achievement at the cost of loading to your last save point, if you saved.
If fictional characters needed concent, then I pray to those that's a fan of Overwatch.
Yeah those people would have a long list of charges
hell literally any doujin of a fate character or just popular series in general
Sweet mother of god, forget nuremberg. we have a real trial here hahaha
Well, you certainly aren't getting proper consent from Blizzard's staff, that's for sure...
22:01 I'm translating this from Twitter talk: "If you are trans and play this game, you ain't trans in my eyes." Remind me who's the real transphobic here?
"Your clear attempt to use us for clout and throw us under the bus the moment we aren't useful to you" HOLY MOTHER OF PROJECTION RIGHT HERE 💀
They aren't doing any favors for themselves by doing this. They are still unknowingly proving everyone's point on them.
Joe Biden: "If you played the Harry Potter game, you ain't trans!"
@@reiangossling6395 bro why
@@Leviatiemily I was parodying that time he said black people weren't black if they didn't vote Democrat
@@reiangossling6395 ohhh.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they would advocate for zombies to have rights if that was ever a thing irl
It's like the Doom Video game where they mock the demon rights thing.
@@shorewall Back when the original Doom released in the 90s there actually was a journalist that complained about the game not having an option to make peace with the demons, it makes the 'mortally-challenged' gag even funnier
@@shorewall or C.U.R.E from dead rising 2.
@@reiangossling6395 typical satan lover there (probably), or just an idiot
Wasn't there some activist zombie group in Dead Rising 2? And didn't that group go about as well as you'd expect?
Anytime anybody says something like, "You need consent from a drawing", you just have to hit em with 🤓
Game Journos: Ashley fan-service bad.
Also Game Journos: Check out these Mods for Leon in a thong for REmake 2!!
I don’t really care about the lack of fan-service the game is exceptional but if Game Journos are gonna get pissy and gloatful, then they can go to Hell.
First of all "SHE IS REAL TO ME DAMMIT"
secondly oh nyo the fun police is out again
The game devs might censor the fanservise, but unfortunately for them they cannot stop NSFW artists from making fanservise art.
or the modders from giving us the power
Stopping modding would be killing the industry literally haha
@@GarkKahn true
Mods boooooois! Also, pirate censored products. It is morally correct to do so.
Or modders adding it back in.
Would be a funny idea, but imagine a dakimakura that can tell you the phrase: "I consent!" with the voice of the VA that voiced the character. Oh boi.
blood, gore, drugs, distubing content, death - completely fine
fan service - no we must ban, censor, remove, etc right this instant.
I always felt like this... Like when x and y dropped, I started thinking "do they actually feel happiness and joy?" "Would they actually like me as a trainer? "Would I be a good trainer?" ... Yeah had a bit of crisis that period.
But in the end of the day they're just digital constructs with their set own ideas and paths given to them by their creators and only serve to enrich the digital world.
... sometimes I still feel like this, but in the end it's just a game...
When "male gaze" is brought up, you know it's going to be a disingenuous argument.