I wouldnt say i like the second season as well as the first, but comparing it to Fairly Oddparents Season 10? Thats like comparing a plain sandwich to rotten meat.
THANK YOU 😂! That's honestly the worst possible comparison. You're comparing the first 8 episodes of a second season to the 10th season of a show WELL PASSED its prime
Yeah, having watched FOP S10 (bless my soul ik) the worst episodes of Molly McGee compared to the best of late stage FOP is still like comparing Spiderverse to The Emoji Movie. Molly McGee still has likable characters and fun plots- I even like Ollie, since even though he was brought on purely to be a Rule 63 Molly and a love interest, I like that they're giving him a character arc about unlearning his prejudice while living in a prejudiced family. I do understand the point about how he has no real dynamic with anyone that isn't Molly (and possibly Scratch). The later seasons of FOP /badly/ flanderized all the characters we loved (if they weren't outright forgotten), kept adding in new characters that nobody cared about, and constantly broke the most basic rules of its universe, most egregiously that adults aren't supposed to know that fairies exist. Not to mention every new character after Foop was just awful... and even Foop was pushing it.
@@Commenter839 Late Stage Fairly Odd Parents is still good. I can't watch the Flash episodes though. Two of my favorite episodes ever Crock Blocked and Finding Emo came from season 9.
I think my biggest problem with Ollie is him being exactly like Molly. I know they're kids and romance at the age is still kind of shallow, but I really hate when shows portray the idea that two people who are nearly identical are perfect for each other.
Don't really think so... As someone pointed out already, their similarities are basically physical appearance, name and some interests, but personality-wise they can get kind of different. Molly being assertive, energetic, almost always having self-confidence and occasionally impulsive, meanwhile Ollie being the calmer, clumsy and sometimes isn't very self-confident
I kinda wished Ollie was kind of more of his own character rather than being a genderbend of Molly. There are some stuff they separate him from Molly but not enough to where he feels like a unique character
I do kinda like the way Scratch and Ollie kinda oppose each other in how they’re introduced, like scratch was introduced as an opposite to Molly, but they slowly realized they had stuff in common which brings them together, where Ollie seems like basically the exact same person as Molly, but are slowly revealed to be different in ways that keep them apart
The only real major difference was that Ollie didn’t like ghost while Molly did, that’s out the window now. There’s also the ghost hunting thing, but it doesn’t really feel like they add enough differences to make it clear they’re not the same person, or emphasize how they handle situations with ghost different enough.
@@trentmoore6947. I'd say the Ghost hunting bit is already substantial already. And one you failed to mention, is that until meeting scratch, molly didn't even know, ghosts existed!
@@erikbihari3625 i mean Molly has no problem with ghosts after meeting Scratch, they don’t do enough with the ghost hunting aspect to show how both handle situations with ghost differently. Like, a situation where Molly tries a non violent approach with a more aggressive ghost while Ollie tries to do it his ghost hunting way.
@@trentmoore6947. That's not what I meant, just said she didn't even knew they existed before meeting scratch. Give it time, tv shows, are good at that!
@@erikbihari3625 what does that have to do with my point? They could’ve shown my example in the Unhaunting of Brighton video, have a ghost who’s aggressive and show how Molly and Ollie handled it differently from it each other, they could’ve shown more differences in the previous episodes too.
I think Season 2 look like pues and boots because the dreamworks movie have 3 villains goldlock and the 3 bears Darth wolf and jack and. The ghost and molly have joy Killers ghost ghost hunterS and mega store ceo.
Andrea is not self-centered she is vain. BIG difference. Being vain is thinking you are amazing. Being selfish is doing what ever you feel like doing and not caring how it affects others. That doesn't sound like Andrea.
Yea andrea genuinly feels bad if she does something she believes as wrong. She's even shown she very much can feel bad for others and just wants to make her life as well as others better. Atleast in her mind.
Yeah, remember that episode were she made a website and it started to ruin the rest of the businesses? Once she heard it she understood she had to shut it down. And she was very proud that she made a successful business. She also bought her house back, simply because she thought they were friends. She probably would’ve done it either way anyway.
real !! personally i LOVE the way tgamm is different than toh, amphibia, and gravity falls. it’s more slice of life and realistic than “girl stuck in unfamiliar place has to save the world with the friends she made along the way.” i love the way it’s different. it’s not unnecessarily violent and doesn’t put molly through trauma to further the plotline. with luz and anne, a lot of their development is built on them being used. i think the romance here works. the characters in tgamm feel much more real (besides the fact that they are pretty much all human). i like the “love at first sight” trope. it really does just work here. it’s something new than in the owl house where its “enemies to lovers” and in gravity falls, both the twins are essentially “hopeless romantics.” tgamm is supposed to be a feel good show and i think the romance aspect fits in really well
@@endtrapta3393YAS DUDE. It just gets frustrating hearing comparisons to any new show. I understand that TOH and GF have become staples in animation history, but it doesn't mean we have to hold every new animated show to a certain standard.
@@endtrapta3393, I don't really compare shows/movies to others. Not usually. Unless it's something that reminds of something in another show, like Molly having a confetti cannon reminding me of Pinkie Pie from MLP FiM, for example. Though in regards to TGaMM, almost as soon as the Chens got introduced and Molly and Oliver met, I fugured they would have 'the hots' for each other. But I didn't quite expect them to be crushing on each other pretty much immediately. And I kinda liked how when he revealed that he was a ghost hunter and became (technically, due to concern for Scratch) her enemy, she still hoped that it could work out. In The Owl House, Amity started crushing on Luz first. And Luz didn't start crushing on Amity until after that episode (I forget the title) when Amity yelled out "Hey! Stay away from my Luz!" When it comes to Amphibia, I was actually surprised that they didn't go the love interest route. Not even a love triangle, like Anne having a thing for Marcy and Marcy having a thing for Anne and Sasha having a thing for both Anne and Marcy while Marcy isn't into Sasha. (or something like that) But no. There was no blushing or looking away or anything like that. But yeah, all in all, I don't really know why people wanna hold newer shows or movies to a standard that came before. Like, 'let them be good in their own way without criticizing them for not being like something else that came before'.
Danny Phantom: Oh for the love of -DANNY PHANTOM IS A SUPER HERO CARTOON, while TGAMM is a slice of life with horror elements, they're not the same type of show.
My biggest problem with season 2 is the lack of the chairman. He brought a sense of dread and intimidation in the first season and that’s just gone now. There’s no actually intimidating villain in the show anymore and we still have so many unanswered questions about him. Why didn’t he talk? How did he get in control over the ghost world? How exactly did Molly kill him? He was a ghost. Did he die again? As it is now, the chairman was just a waste of a villain. He barely even did anything before Molly killed him. Jinx is still around and I know the show is going to do something with her eventually. She apparently loved the chairman but we have no idea why. Also, slightly off topic but I’m so confused why everyone is acting like scratch killed the chairman. He didn’t. Molly did. Scratch was just kind of their
It’s because if it wasn’t for scratch molly wouldn’t have come to the ghost world. Also if you have seen the new 3 episodes in episode 11 jinx is explored mkre
You gotta understand The Ghost and Molly McGee is a slice of show that's why every episode is a stand alone story with only a few having an impact on the whole story
@@StevenJones851 They are. This is. Ollie is a victim of inherited prejudice. One of the big points of this season is how good people can be prejudiced against things they don’t understand. I don’t know how people miss this, it’s not subtle. And as for Molly and Ollie’s relationship, I posted a much longer comment somewhere else, but TLDR: Doomed crush falls apart -> Friendship -> Much stronger romance built on friendship, trust and understanding.
While Ollie is far from my favorite character, his relationship with Molly is genuinely adorable. They have a lot of chemistry, they bounce off each other perfectly, and Ollie's arc, going from a ghost hating ghost hunter, to realizing they aren't as bad as he previously thought is really well executed. Plus, as much as I love both Libby and Andrea as characters, I never felt like shipping them with Molly was anything more than just fan speculation. They never really had anything that would hint at a romantic connection, and making them a couple would feel forced. Like, Anne I could totally believe starting a relationship with either Sasha or Marcy. But the relationship that Molly has with both Libby and Andrea feel way too platonic to develop into something more. I'm all for LGBTQ ships, but do it in a way where it feels natural, not just to make it happen.
Yeah I agree. I think AJ is being a bit too harsh on Ollie for being a designated love interest, but he's honestly not a bad character as far as these archetypes go. I do see his point about Ollie's lack of chemistry with everyone else though. Aside from how he's trying to get on Scratch's good side now, Ollie has no dynamic with any of Molly's friends.
Youre just an example of someone who thinks "cute" outweighs "importance to story and to narrative drive" you are the lowest common denominator of human comprehension
I'm just surprised Disney allowed a heterosexual relationship to appear in tv, and one of their main protagonists in a day and age where the idea of fairy tale straight romances started heading the dodo's way!
@@erikbihari3625 The Owl House is literally the only show in DTVA history to have an openly LGBT protagonist, and it got cut short because of that. Every other animated show with gay couples has those relationships either restricted to the unimportant secondary characters or hidden away in the background. It's a huge exaggeration to imply straight relationships are dying out, particularly in the Disney TV Animation side
Season 2 of The Ghost and Molly McGee been GREAT! Been loving this season, especially with how things are going, Scratch now the new Chairman and have to deal with things in the Ghost World along with with dealing with Jixn who serve as a side villain to Scratch, McGee new neighbor are ghost hunters with Molly having a cute crush on the neighbor boy, who is actually a good addition to the cast really enjoy Ollie character and that they didn't keep Scrath a secret from him a whole season, we are getting way more of Libby and Andrea this season and they are both receiving lot of Character Development, specially Andrea and Libby also got her period and we learn more her family and her dad most of this season been great.
Wonderful opinion!! I don’t understand why people in the fandom treat Ollie like complete garbage when in fact he’s an actual great character with lots of development so far!!
I agree with you. Some people are just treating Season 2 like garbage. The team is trying their best to make Season 2 look good. But SOME critics JUST have to ruin it for others. Like bruh :/ I'm also hoping Andrea will meet Scratch sometime in Season 2, or 3.
"Ollie is boring." I don't mind him. His relationship with Molly and his redemption arc is cute. Also, not every character needs to be deep. You can mix deep characters with simple ones. For example, I love Pigpen from Peanuts. He is one of my favorite fictional characters in anything ever and his gimmick is simple.
the thing is, it wasn't really a redemption arc, he is too perfect and the whole ghost hunting thing was mostly just a missunderstanding, there is nothing to really make him stand out unlike Andrea and Libby who had and still have things to work through.
@@matias3542 Believing something your whole life and then changing is a redemption arc. If that isn't one I don't know what is. He cried about it in the rental store episode.
@@icecreamhero2375 im not talking about the characters being evil or bad people, im talking about them having flaws, Libby had and still has a ton of self steem issues which are a lot more interesting than this bland ass E-boy who is literally just Molly's gender bent.
I think you're conflating "deep" with interesting. Deep is what the newbie story lovers think characters should be, takes a long time to get to know, is mysterious story-wise, maybe has an ulterior motive. People, understandably, aren't fans of those characters. And no one is asking for ANY of that when they say a character is boring. No, boring implies a character is not fun to watch. There isn't much fun or humorously inviting about Ollie, he's a played straight generic boy.
I don't view the season in this way at all, really. While you're right about the show moving in a new direction, it's not entirely romantic-centric. This is really only 3 full episodes out of the total 11 that have already aired. However, I do see what you mean in terms of a lack of continuity between the 1st and 2nd seasons, and how that's a problem.
I like Mollie and Ollie. I don't think romance ruined it. It has some great episodes like the one with Libby and her dad, and the ones about Molly and her Thai heritage
Eh, I disagree with a lot of the arguments here. Especially comparing this season to season 10 of The Fairly Odd Parents... Hell nah. Sorry, but you're tripping on that one. This season Is not that bad even if I agreed with all the points you made. I'm not gonna go into all the details because I would have to write an entire essay here, but I do want to say a few things. Regarding the point you made about Ollie never really explaining why he hates ghosts, he literally clarified to Molly that he himself didn't really have a reason to hate ghosts other than what his dad has told him his whole life. He explained in the third episode that the ghosts hadn't done anything to him, but that they attacked his dad when he was a child. Now you could think that this is a weak reason to hate ghosts the way he does but you need to put yourself in his shoes. His whole life he has been taught by his parents, more specifically his dad, that ghosts are the worst of creatures, they're dangerous and they only exist to hurt humans. So I feel like it's wrong for you to say that they never touch on the reasonings behind Ollie being a ghost hater because is not really true. Clearly, Ollie has been indoctrinated by his dad to hate ghosts. Most humans in the show don't even know if ghosts really exist let alone if they're good or bad so I don't find it unthinkable that Ollie would grow to despise ghosts when throughout his life he's been told that they're bad. They touch on this again in the "frightmares" episode when Ollie and Molly are having a fight over whether ghosts are good or bad, he tells her that "I've been told my whole life that ghosts are bad, it has to be true" or something along those lines. Also, his seeing his dad constantly mocked by the public might have influenced his hate towards ghosts and his wanting to be right, him wanting his dad to be right and prove the unbelievers wrong. Is also one of the reasons he seemed to like Molly, because he saw her as someone that "understood" him. The other point that Ollie lacks character and doesn't serve any purpose other than being Molly's love interest can be debated. Even though I agree that they could've made Ollie's character a little bit more interesting or complex, I disagree that he doesn't serve any real purpose or hasn't had any development. He definitely had development, and you can call it rushed but there's just so much they can add within the time frame of the episodes. I think you and other people are forgetting that this isn't a plot-driven show. The fact that we have these little plots on the side and characters actually getting development is just extra. The creators confirmed this themselves, they clarified that season 2 feeling like it follows more of a plot rather than complete randomness is just coincidental and extra. I think it's completely fair for fans to expect a bit more plot and development-wise, but you also need to understand the situation the writers are in. They don't even know if they're getting a third season, which is why one of the creators stated that they concluded the season at the end to the point where it should still feel satisfying. They do not have other options other than rushing through the little plots they have in their episodic show. I do believe that if they knew they had more seasons at hand, they could've developed more of the plots like Ollie's arc but I think his character has been fine with the current circumstances. I feel like the whole point of Molly's and Ollie's relationship is that they weren't as similar as they thought they were and I think they touch on that more as the series progresses. Is the opposite of Lumity, where they go from enemies to lovers. I also disagree with you using Lumity as the ideal way to write a relationship since I found it bland for the most part and also extremely rushed but that's a whole other conversation. I disagree with the claim that Molly and Ollie are exact copycats of each other. I really do not get why people keep repeating that. Just because they both want to improve society around them doesn't mean they're the exact same person. If anything, the latest episodes have proved that Molly and Ollie are different in multiple aspects. For example, Ollie is nowhere near as confident as Molly is, in fact, he doubts himself all the time something Molly never does. It's Molly always the one putting confidence in Ollie. This fits the whole "we weren't as similar as we thought we were" trope which in my opinion is what they've been going for. I don't really get why you said that the whole of season 1 was them building up the ghost world and the final clash with the chairman. In a way, yes, it was, but it's not like every episode was plot development toward the ghost world and the chairman. If anything, it was the same as season 2, Molly and Scratch in the human world with the ghost world on the side. Scratch not taking his job seriously makes sense and he has made it clear that he has no intention of taking it seriously unless the circumstances demand him to. This matches his character perfectly as not only he dislikes responsibility, he enjoys spending more time in the human world, with Molly than in the ghost world. Some ghosts do respect him as the chairman and we saw that in some of the episodes like Geoff's party one, and others don't, such as Jinx, which also makes sense. It's true that Scratch being powerless against some of the ghosts might not make much sense such as when he "fought" Blair, but you need to also remember that Scratch usually avoids taking drastic measures against other ghosts. What was he going to do against, let's say, Blair? Vanish her to another realm for eternity? He didn't even want to hurt the frightmares but they left him no choice, remember? What makes you think he's going to resort to drastic measures against ghosts capable of reasoning when he didn't with the ones that weren't capable. About your criticism of "I wanna dance with some Ollie", I feel like you missed the entire point of the episode. The writers made it clear that both Molly and Scratch were in the wrong here, but more Molly. "Molly was being selfish in this episode, to the point of putting Scratch in danger" Well yes I thought it was pretty clear that this was wrong on Molly's part. The show wasn't glorying the way Molly was acting in the episode with scratch. She realizes that she was in the wrong and "dumps" Ollie. Is not like she never comes to her senses. Scratch could've been a little bit more understanding of the situation as well. Anyways, this season hasn't been perfect by any means but I just don't think some of the criticism here is completely fair. I hope this comes out the way it was intended. It's just me disagreeing with some of your points. I would write more and go into more details but this is already getting too long.
You hit the nail on the head. I agree with alot of what you said. Also yes that comparison to season 10....... nah🤣🤣🤣. Molly mcgee season 2 is miles better than that mess of a season
@@DiamondDrizzle haha I wrote a lot without realizing it. I wanted to write more too but I don’t think people want to read 3,000 word TH-cam comment nor do I think it’s even possible to write that much.
@@mr.punkie5872 I read the entire thing- and you make some good points, just something you gotta do when your just one of those people who's constantly looking at the comments
Yeah, I agree with all of this, and if you were going to make your comment even longer, I imagine you'd have pointed out Ollie's development (Jay says he has none). Ollie moving past his indoctrinated belief that ghosts are bad to learn that they're more complex than that, is development. The next episode, we learn about his guilt, and it leads to him and Scratch reaching an understanding, which is further development.
Okay about the "Viewed as the same person" thing... that's a full on LIE, by the bulk of ghost society Scratch is practically worshipped outside of a few outliers. In one episode he even brings up how important being liked is to him, to the point where it was at the expense of his friends who liked him BEFORE he was cool. I'm sorry but with that line and the...FORTY THREE minute run time, you come off as Mr. Enter but with a good editor.
In Jinx and New Paranormal it's shown many ghost love Scratch as the Chairman so I don't see any lack of respect here. There treating him way better than anything in season 1 combined! Dude is signing autographs and having people cheer his name
@yoshimickster to be fair, and I am NOT defending him here. By the looks of things, this script was written before "All Shark No Bite" and every episode post that.
“Ruined” is a strong word. A more accurate term would be “altered” but that’s stretching it. The show introduces ghost hunters, kinda expected with a show about a girl and her ghost friend. The protagonist has a crush on one of the ghost hunters. Having a crush doesn’t always translate to romance, even then, Molly’s main concern about Oliver (a ghost hunter) is how he’ll react to Scratch. Molly’s relationship with Oliver presents a dilemma, just not a romantically charged one. And since we’re talking about Oliver’s presence in the show: season 2 has about 14 episodes, Oliver is in episodes 1 , 2, 5, 7, 8 and 13. If you factor in that the episodes are split into two 11 minute episodes, there’s about 26 episodes in season 2. That means Ollie is in 6 out of the 26 episodes of this season. So the show doesn’t even focus that much on him. And when it does, it’s less about Molly’s “romantic feelings” for Ollie, and more about her keeping Scratch safe from Ollie or random shenanigans like “engoodifying” the world. I’m probably off with the calculations of those episodes (so please correct me if I’m wrong), but I’m sure about Ollie’s inclusion to the story being relatively minor.
Worst video from you since your The Owl House pilot review. Also it's been stated already but comparing this to FOP Season 10 is an apples to broccoli comparison.
This review has everything but why complain about not focusing on being serialized when that was NEVER the show's goal? bring The Owl House for no reason despite Molly and TOH being different shows on storytelling and bring FOP S10 for no goddamn reason
I agree that it doesn't need to be as serialized or dark as TOH, but it had ALWAYS had continuity, but how s2 dealt with the plot & continuity is awful imo. If you like it, that's fine but I personally agree with most of his review and criticism.
I usually agree with you opinions but this one I can’t. The ghost world does show to respect scratch like in the afterlife of a party or Jinx! more but the ghost council and jinx still hates him. The chairman role was useful against the frightmares and lord doom and wasn’t useful against others since scratch didn’t use the whole curse aspect against the story sprite nor Blair. The show was never story driven and had an overarching threat but most episodes focused in molly making Brighton happier. The whole thing about why molly or doesn’t say about the fact that ghosts used to live to cause misery but changed is that ghosts still do love to scare and cause problems like in frightmares on main street they made a whole game on scaring people. Ollie seems like a rehash of molly but we see more of him in let’s play turnip ball with how he gets confused by the extreme stuff of Brighton and in Brighton video we see him be more awkward and struggle to fit in with the group. Also in the 11 episodes or 20 if you count each half separately we see Ollie 6 times when we have seen Libby 8, Darryl 9, Pete 8, and Sharon 7 times as a important character to an episode.
Dude my biggest problem is that they no longer have a main antagonist. The Chairman was a looming threat throughout the first season but there isn't anything like that in season 2.
The Chens were suppopsed to be the new main antagonists but they're pathethic antagonists. Only Ollie did his part. The other ones showed up, blasted Geoff and Jeff, and then got fucked just to be saved by Scratch. Ruben, Esther and June have 0 weight so far.
The second season so far is okay in my opinion. Casually it's still fun and watchable and I like the improvements in some of the characters and elements in the show, but it does feel weaker right now than the first season.
Fr. I honestly think it's not as bad he's making it. Especially he's judging the start of the season without knowing where it's leading. I trust these writers have a plan of sorts
Molly S2 has been good. The romance hasn't even been focused on since 5B. Molly and Ollie have been casual friends atm and there are still great episodes like the most recent one with Jinx, the thai one, period piece, and the indoor family vacation. Yes the romance is basic so far but don't act like it's ruining the show because it's clearly not. Also this season is Citizen Kane compared to Fairly Odd Parents S10 that's not an appropriate comparison.
For me, it isn't just the romance that is awful, but also the plot, episodes and character development. It's very dissapointing to me tbh. There was so much potential for tgamm, but it was ruined because of romance & also because the show couldn't decide whether it becomes more serialized or "stays episodic". However I think S1 had a perfect balance from the start. It definitley never needed the "disney-isms", but perhaps it could've been more like Steven Universe or shows with similar writing style; mostly light-hearted & cutsie, and even having so-called "filler" episodes, but also having well-written continuity.
Well i understand your point, i have to disagree. Well yes Ollie was designed to be Molly's love interest, I thought it was fine. It reminds me of Big City Greens, they just had fun with each episode and occasionally gave characters growth. While the idea of a darker season sounds cool, i think that trend has ran it's course and this was a breath of fresh air. Not every show needs a huge plot of saving the word from an unknown villain or being. I think you're a bit harsh because this show doesn't seem like your cup of tea maybe
I disagree. Well for the most part anyway. Ollie IS rlly similar to Molly. But he got more character later in episodes. Also their relationship moving quickly makes sense. They are so similar and it seems like they were made for eachother, so the relationship moving forward quickly isn’t that weird. And a thing I rlly like is that they didn’t get together. And after Ollie found out abt ghosts him and Molly went back to being friends, they would talk with eachother more comfortably which is great because it means if they do get in a relationship, it’s going to be more healthy. There were some flaws with Ollie’s character but he is a different person from Molly. And we see the differences in “the unhaunting of Brighton video” after that episode he was Mollys genuine friend, not just a character to be her love interest. I rlly liked this season, they explored new ideas and I don’t think it did badly like ur suggesting.
It was pretty refreshing seeing most of the comments disagreeing with the video tbh The notion that everything has to be story based is something that should have died 9 years ago lmao
I dont think thats what he's saying. He said that he liked how TGAMM took a different path from the other darker disney shows; if it had been written better in S2, the light-hearted, more episodic path could've worked very well for TGAMM.
I thought of a great way to make Ollie's character actually great. Have a later episode of the season reveal Ruben doesn't want to fight ghosts for nobel reasons, he wants to eradicate them to make himself a hero. But in order to do so, he tricked Esther into believing in ghosts too and then marry him to start a ghost hunting team. And 13 years later, a viral video about a certain rich influencer befriending a new student catches his attention. (Especially with her floating around and spinning in the air) the new student becomes a renouned do-gooder, thus leading to Ruben engeneer his own son to act exactly like that so he can catfish her in order to see if she's actually involved with ghosts, but as time goes on, he acts more and more different from her and even changing his point of view on the afterlife, which leads to his dad to take more extreme measures, even going to Bizmart to team up against both Molly and Andrea's families. (Plus, this would give room for Jinx to have a redemption arc) Ollie feels even more awful that his father tortured him into becoming a little monster (yeah this is taking from Rocket Raccoon) so his arc is to find his own self and become a crusial part of the ghostfriends and even have great interactions with both Scratch and Libby.
@@CatKun1234 I think the main problem is that Ollie is too similar to Mollie. The reason why the other characters work so well with Molly is because of how distinct they are from her. Ollie would work if he were to have a more distinct and unique name, design and personally.
Ollie can still be a ghost hunter. Instead of hunting ghosts he'll promise to only hunt bad ones. There can still be a clash of ideals between him and molly. Along the lines of "not all ghosts are bad, but not all ghosts are good". The romance between them is also kinda rushed tbh.
As much sense as you make, I still have a lot of hope for season two. I honestly believe that most of not all of the problems can be fixed with just a few episodes. An Ollie-centric episode is necessary for sure, maybe where he confronts his guilt about going against family values while interacting with them, Scratch, and other characters as well. And DEFINITELY- DEFINITELY!!! A flashback episode. This would help explain why Ollie and his family feels the way he does about ghosts. (Also side note Molly would benefit from a flashback episode as well. It could be anywhere from a lighthearted scene about the moment she realized she was meant to enhappify, to a full episode that has a more deep and meaningful message addressing her impulsive, perfectionistic and people pleasing tendencies) And THEN maybe during Scratch’s flashback segment he can really get a reason WHY he should be the chairman, because until now the council basically forced him into it. Omg I would totally love it if he could just STAND UP FOR HIMSELF TO THE COUNCIL because he deserves it and it would improve their dynamic A LOT if the council were a little less snobby and a little more open. Anyway that’s my huge rant lmaooooooo
The arguement about Scratch being the chairman and only dealing with problems no one wants to deal with is fair, but I think you're forgetting the fact that this is a slice of life show, the story isn't gonna go through the same route that a lot of recent Disney shows went, and it seems you're setting expectations for the show that weren't intended in the first place Also about the Molly and Ollie story, the "very romantic" stuff only lasted about 3 episodes to then take a more platonic route (also while they still show that they have feelings for eachother, it's a lot more subtle), and I feel like the intention for the story was that Molly would rush to explore these new feelings she was having to only then take a step back and see if the realationship really is right for her, and since the dance, Molly tries to get to know Ollie a lot more which in turn let's us see the differences between them, and as a result, we learn that Ollie is quite awkward, clumsy, and doubtful but still incredibly sweet and caring towards Molly, even if it's sometimes a bit extreme (like how Ollie is determined to save/protect Molly as shown in "Frightmares on Main Street"), also I feel like comparing them to Luz and Amity is incredibly unfair considering how much more superior their develpment was in comparison to Mollie, but that's my take If you don't like the season that's fine, but don't talk about it like it's the worst thing to ever exist
If I had a nickle after every time alpha jay show was wrong about romance, it'd make two, wich isn't a lot, but still pretty weird that it has happened even this mutch! Anyone else agrees?
5:21 I disagree. It doesn't pick and choose. Now that the original chairman is gone it is treated like a boring desk job. 6:34 false equivalency. Danny Phantom is a fighting show while Molly McGee isn't. Also Danny can go in the portal at any time because it is in his basement. In Molly Mcgee only ghosts can enter the ghost world. 20:10 Of come on everyone loves a good Chuckie parody.
Season 2 of molly mcgee has been a step up from the 1st tbh. The songs are better. The jokes hit harder and yea I did like the romance between molly and Ollie and how it morally tested molly. Yea I do wish they'd do more with scratch being the chairman but we'll see how the rest of the season goes
The thing I liked about the first season of molly McGee was how it was like a sitcom (but animated) and since it was animated, it was more palatable. Don’t get me wrong, there are ups and downs of season one, but the good segments or episodes stick out like a sore thumb
I wouldn’t say the stakes have been upped. If anything they’re substantially lower. Molly went from fighting the ruler of the entire afterlife, to trying to hide her friend from her neighbors💀
Ruined? The Romance is fine, literally, the only people who have a problem with it are the people who ship Molly with Andrea or Libby. Literally, nobody else has any problems with the romance idk what you're on about?
Yeah, even some people who ship Andrea x Molly, Libby x Molly, or Andrea x Libby x Molly (including me) don’t mind Ollie and even ship Ollie x Molly. I question what Alpha Jay says here cause it feels like he didn’t watch season 2.
I don't even mind Ollie tbh, at least now that it seems they're doing more with him than making him a love interest in the second half. It's not bad imo, but I feel like a lot of the more recent plots feel rather underdeveloped due to the 11 minute time frame. (The period episode was particularly disappointing imo- it felt like the episode just wanted to have an episode to talk about periods, but nothing would change in the plot if "period" was replaced with the more general "puberty." I also felt pretty weird about how the first thing the show told us about June was that she's autistic, and then proceeded to show us nothing about it. Something something show, don't tell.) I still like the show, and I wanna see where it goes. But it's a downgrade from S1 so far.
The autism thing is a really good point actually.. that could be one to two things though.. either June is just insecure about it, maybe from a past event from their previous home.. or the writers just wanted to make a character like that to represent that, and just blurted it out just because Either way I’d give it some more time though, it hasn’t even been half the season, it’s still got a lot to say.. I think.
@@cAbLeBoX16 Yeah, I'm still hoping they do something with this tidbit before the season is over. I found this especially jarring because I started S2 right after watching Rise of the TMNT, which honestly has some of the best autism representation I've ever seen with Donnie, and The Owl House, which also committed to writing Luz as neurodivergent. As it stands though, right now the line with June just felt like a cheap way of scoring brownie points. I'm not trying to say autistic characters need a "reason" to exist or anything like that, but just that they shouldn't have specifically included that in her character introduction if they weren't gonna commit to writing a character with autism.
What else could've they added to the period episode? I feel like you were expecting too much from an 11-minute episode of a mainly episodic show. There's just so much they can add within that time frame.
@@mr.punkie5872 It wasn't that I feel the period episode needed more stuff added to it, I just feel like the central conflict could've had more to do with periods specifically. Off the top of my head, we can have an episode conflict about how period cramps can genuinely hurt like a mofo, but tons of people don't take it seriously. End it off with a moral about how just because you can't relate to someone's issues doesn't make them any less significant to them. A Period Piece, as it is, isn't really about menstruation. It's an episode about growing up that just uses "period" as a placeholder for "puberty", and it plays everything completely straight outside of that one edit. Even the B plot about Pete going overboard with buying pads could've easily been replaced with Pete going overboard buying deodorant, or acne washes, or something. Not a bad episode, but not as novel or interesting as some have claimed either.
I respectfully disagree with you, first I will say that I can see your coming from, your certainly not wrong about Ollie lacking character & having no unique dynamics yet (at least compared to Libby & Andrea). I can understand the comparison between Trent & Ollie (although I need to rewatch Trent, but from what I remember, Trent only had one trait, he was the nice guy), I do think it is a bit unfair to compare Ollie to Amity, as I would consider both Owl House & TGAMM both to be totally different shows despite been both airing on the Disney Channel. Personally thou, I'm really enjoying Season 2, although I will admit, I don't really care for the ghost world as much as I probably should. I will say that I do think Scratch is supposed to shown to be incompetent if anything, the worst episode for me (and there's only one) so far is Let's Play Turnipball, with my favourite episode been Like Father, Like Libby. I will say that interestingly enough that the romance themed episodes of Season 2 is amongst my favourites too. Also, the songs from this Season have been pretty good too, not sure what your thoughts on them are. Also, I wish you luck in the comment section
If I'm being honest, I like that Scratch's new role as Chairman isn't an automatic win button. Now, you did miss some advantages Scratch now has - such as the rest of Ghost Society no longer seeing him as a loser (as seen at the start of AfterLife of the Party where they let him cut in line at the coffee shop) or Scratch being able to perform more powerful curses, leading to Lord Doom and the Frightmares being trapped in things. But given that the Story Sprite and Blair mostly stayed in the human realm, it makes sense that they wouldn't respect a figure of authority from the ghost realm. And again, I like that Scratch and Molly have to actually come up with solutions instead of Scratch just fixing everything by going into Chairman mode. It goes better with the themes of the show (communication, friendship, etc) than fighting or any sort of Ghost World lore ever would.
I actually think that they're cute together Edit: the title is really misleading Edit: the video is really boring, I usually like long videos(I watched a 10 hour long video about the economy in Harry Potter, and I don't even like HP) but I can't finish this video
I especially judge romance as someone who is aromantic. I feel like the romance tie isn't that bad but it's overly focused on. I personally excepted a smaller fight/face off with Jinx, or someone trying to take over Scratch's position and turning back the old system, as we can see, he isn't the best leader (I believe he wasn't meant to be one). It could have made us have a conflict which could have been resolved, causing problems, etc. My other thought was going to be Scratch having an actual injury from the Chens/or Oliver. I personally still really like the show, and perhaps they are building up for something bigger for the season finale
"I will tell you what the season COULD have been". Okay I said...I was done...but...Rao...DAMMIT-THE SEASON ISN'T OVER YET! You're complaining about how a story should've gone when its only HALF way over, UGH, bad review, bad.
I feel like that there is a build up in season 2 with Jinx trying to overthrow Scratch's position as the Chairman because throughout season 2, Jinx tries to make Scratch's afterlife miserable. In "The (After)life of the party", Jinx "helps" Scratch hide from Geoff while it was obvious she wants him to get caught. And in the recent episode titled "Jinx!", Jinx jinxes Scratch until he and Molly tricked her into freeing him from it and it's revealed she wants to become the Chairwoman. And there is a future episode titled "Jinx Vs the Human World".
@@dark_angel7162 dang chill out, spoilers are everywhere, you can't escape all of them. Also this info is on google, you can easily see this stuff there just by searching. geez...
@kmmk5022 I don't think she's Adia. For 3 reasons 1. Scratch doesn't regnoize her and neither does Jinx 2. She hates strawberries 3. Jinx and Adia look very different
@@SunnylandProds this video was really hard to get through and I normally agree with alpha jay on his takes but this was not one of those times. I can see where he's coming from with Ollie but it feels like he's judging him too early. Also I think on some level molly was within her right to act like a selfish tween in the dance episode. We've all been teenagers and fell head over heels for someone. It causes us to think irrationally and that's what was happening there. She came to her senses by the end and priorities protecting her BFF realizing that having both Ollie and scratch in her life just couldn't work at least at the time. Idk to say romance ruined molly mcgee and the show itself is a HUGE stretch. Let's not forget too star vs exists and had way worse romance arcs than this😂
No offence but you absolutely missed the point of the show. It’s like you did not really watch it or don’t like character growth. But to each their own I guess.
I’m trying to sound as nice as possible but your takes are all so wrong. You can dislike whatever you want to but spreading lies about a show is so not it.
I love how he says romance ruined molly mcgee for click bait and then just talks about how season 2 was a let down all around so he could have just said it was disappointing
Hard disagree Romance was only really in, like, the first few episodes. Then Molly's friendship with Scratch was strong enough to pretty much sideline the romance entirely, even when Ollie eventually became friends with Scratch. I haven't seen them pick back up on the romance. I strongly, strongly, strongly, strongly, STRONGLY disagree with you saying it "ruined" Molly McGee. And I don't see the issue with Geoff and Jeff either, their romance with each other doesn't really ruin anything or get in the way of anything contrary to many ships, contrary to Starko... I say romance was sidelined because the whole "gotta ship them they're not yet together but they love each other" stuff was sidelined, whereas Jeff and Geoff were already together. 10:43 Pretty sure Scratch was haunting Brighton specifically _because_ it was an already miserable town, so he didn't have to do anything. Remember that Scratch is lazy and is a slacker... kinda like Larry Koopa is... They're also both big eaters too... 11:01: Yeah, I disagree with that. I would not simplify season 2 down to just that when it was only in the first few episodes, then gets sidelined entirely. 11:15 Wouldn't that be really complicated for them to explain, though? Yeah, the characters talk about bigger topics, but I feel like in that moment, it, didn't bother me. 11:33 He did??? He said that "a ghost scared his dad" and that's all he knew, that's why he disliked ghosts. 24:41 This is... very subjective???? I like Ollie's character, personally. 25:54 I feel like you just didn't understand them. I'm not really a fan of the parents much, but I like Ollie and I like June. I feel those two have more to their personalities than just "ghost hunter" or "carbon copy of their McGee counterpart" (I don't even think Ollie and June, especially June, are carbon copies. Ollie seemed so at first, not so much anymore.) technically, Ruben has things going for him that are outside of being a carbon copy of their McGee counterpart or being a ghost hunter, but eh, I still don't really like him much. 30:54 Also the last episode involving the ship stuff before it was sidelined, contrary to what your video title says. 32:01 I would've agreed at first, but now he feels a little more unique and I'm not sure how to explain it. I don't feel like there was a quality drop at all and although I respect your opinion, it really just feels like your issue entirely is that "The Chens exist" or "Ollie exists" those first few episodes while saying that it's the entire second season, which I disagree with.
I think Scratch should have been (reluctantly) trying to do good as the chairman and maybe have had a similar style of overarching plot which had ghosts rebelling in the human world as that would’ve given reason to an episode’s plot and wouldn’t have destroyed the previous season’s ending
The thing is this show was never meant to have a true overarching plot. Even in season 1 the whole thing with the ghost council wasn’t that important since it’s only focused on for a single episode to give an exciting finale kinda like in early mlp. Even now we have three different villains with the chens, the mega store guy, and jinx and all of them will be handled in different episodes
@@KirbyStarAnimation I think what alpha jay wants is more substance with the ghost world and scratch as the chairman and tbh I don't think it's needed?? Like you said this show wasn't meant to have an overarching story. And that aspect is what I like about molly mcgee. It's got enough substance and has continuity but not so much that I have to watch every single episode to understand where we're at
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah except for faint of art and double Daryl and trouble since faint of art would have to be after the best nintentions and the ladder would have to be after the season 1 finale
Looking back at this video is more annoying now that the show ended (prematurely, it was supposed to have a third season, but the final episode is overall as the third season's final episode was intended to be) and had what is IMO the best ending/last episode for a show I've seen, considering the tone was very unexpected though one theory being confirmed was expected for me. Season 2 was better IMO than you gave it credit for (the end was absolutely fantastic), and personally, I feel your arguments were very stupid since it was such a small part of season 2.
i think the apperances of stuff that happens growing up is honestly amazing for teens , the apperance of periods was honestly kinda great as shows for teens have been avoiding this topic , normalising it is great bc then teen girls wouldnt feel as if theyre different and weird and that its a normal thing
I haven't seen this show but I saw Total Drama, Trent and Gwen relationship gets so much worse in Total Drama Action. The worst romantic subplot in Total Drama is Cody and Sierra. Sierra deserves a restraining order and jail time for her disgusting stalking. The best romantic subplot in Total Drama is Mike and Zoey for passing the low bar of not being toxic and not breaking up.
as far as Gwen and Trent are concerned you can thank the executive producer for the way they were handled and for Gwen dumping him, cause the producer said they ended the relationship because quote we don't want kids thinking all relationships last forever.
One of the ideas I had with "The Ghost and Molly McGee" for season 2 is that despite Scratch did not want to be the next Chairman, he does it anyway and that each time he uses the Chairman robe/cloak, he gets under influence of having that power, exactly how the old Chairman was, how they were silent and meant business and it slowly corrupts Scratch by each time he puts it on. It would eventually cause a problem that Scratch then tries to avoid it as much as possible but is always beckoned due to the rampage of ghosts, and have the other ghost look up to him as he does his job. It's just an idea I had while watching the show.
THANK you. You put what was bothering me into actual words... It's really such a shame to see what's going on with the show, hopefully it improves in the future. I still haven't even caught up fully with s2 because it's just so... boring to watch all of a sudden because of the flat romance. (Even Geoff and Jeff have a vastly better romance even though you literally only see them together like twice. Love those two lmao)
i think this season is still pretty good, not as much as the first season but still not bad. what the season really needs is a story buildup for something bigger
I am SO GLAD you talked about this because I tried, I really did, but I couldn't get through the Oliver episodes without skipping through like..80% of them. There's not a chance I could go back and really figure out what happened so this recap is EVERYTHING
Well, Jay mostly complained about it and didn't really explain Ollie's plot, so Imma just give you a more respectful recap (forgive me if it's long, but at least make an effort to read it all): Molly and Ollie meet in The New (Para)Normal and quickly fall in love due to their shared interest in making the world better, but since Ollie's a ghost-hunter, Molly learns that the relationship can't really work unless he stops hunting ghosts, skip to Book Marks the Sprite, Molly starts trying to convince Ollie that ghosts aren't evil to which we then learn that he hunts ghosts because his father was tramatized by one as a kid, so he feels it's necessary to hunt them to keep people from experiencing something similar, and since he's so convinced, Molly just starts losing hope of changing his mind until Libby tells her that it isn't over yet, and then in "I Wanna Dance with Some-Ollie", Ollie and Molly awkwardly agree to going on a "not date" to which she then explains to Scratch that Ollie did not mention anything about ghosts while setting up, claiming it as being "progress", which obviously leads to a bit of tension between Scratch and Molly, fast forward to what happened at the dance after Scratch and Molly argued, Molly and Ollie share a slow dance which goes incredibly wrong because of Molly learning that Scratch got caught in a ghost snare, she frees him, apologizes and leaves, but before that, Ollie had figured out about Scratch's existence, and instead of telling his family he chooses to keep it a secret from them, even saying that Molly was "walking home with a friend" when she didn't come to their car, and since then they started avoiding eachother until "Frightmares on Main Street", where Ollie tries to learn about the ghost that Molly hung out with suspecting that she probably wasn't actually friends with him but that instead Scratch was controlling her or had her under a sort of spell or curse, so he tries to spy on Scratch claiming he's trying to protect/save Molly by finding a way to break said curse, to which he then finds out that Molly and Scratch have always been friends, and since he gets scared terribly by 2 ghosts at the same time, it just further approves of his view with him claiming that they only live to scare (I mean after an experience like that, wouldn't you think the same?), so after Molly learns that the Chens are outside (not with Ollie) due to the spike in supernatural activity, Molly tries to interviene and distract the Chens leading to Ollie then trapping and interrogating Scratch about Molly, Scratch explains his reasons which leaves Ollie starting to understand a bit, even protecting Scratch himself from his sister before she could kill him, and once June leaves, Molly finds Ollie interrogating Scratch and then ends up with both Molly and Ollie arguing about their views on ghosts, with Molly calling Ollie out leading to him feeling puzzled, he then says he was told ghosts were evil his whole life, and obviously as a kid, you choose to belive those things, but after a frightmare attack, Molly and Ollie accept both truths, that ghosts aren't evil, but also aren't always good, now onto "Unhaunting of Brighton Video", Ollie feels guilty after reconciling with Molly and Scratch and assuming all ghosts were bad, so after joining the ghost friends, he tries his hardest to make up for that only for Scratch to treat him like an outcast while Molly tried to comfort him lovingly a couple of times, so after they meet Blair and learning that she has unfinished buisness of her own, Ollie defends her and says she shouldn't talk about the things she feels bad about if she doesn't want to (obviously projecting his own guilt onto her), and after Molly shows concern for his feelings, he then confesses to Molly and feels a lot better doing so, and from there their relationship keeps slowly progressing as a more platonic one, though that's not to say there isn't a chance they won't get back together I'm also like 100% sure you already know a few things I mentioned, but I guess you can consider this a more in-depth explanation?
Molly having to choose between Ollie or Scratch doesn't "weaken" her character; if anything it gives her a genuine internal conflict, and allows her to make "bad" decisions. I'm getting sick of shows being too afraid to give their characters enough agency to do bad things or be at fault. It's a big problem I have with the Owl House, since you bring Amity and Luz up as the better couple; Amity is only a bad person at the start because of what someone else told her to do (her mother), not because of something she fully chose to do herself. Luz has this massive conflict about helping the bad guy, acting as if she's solely the guilty one, but he tricked her; it wasn't as strong for me cuz it wasn't a direct result of her will. Molly choosing Ollie over Scratch could result in Scratch being seriously hurt. Is it selfish? Yes. Is it way more interesting because she makes that active choice herself? Hell yeah. It's more powerful too when she realises the error of her ways, because they're hers, no some third party manipulating her. I can understand if this season is not your cup of tea, but I think you're stretching the definition of ruined. Personally I think this season is pretty good so far. Ollie is pretty bland, I agree with you there, but we have such a good cast of other side characters that I don't mind him just being there to further Molly's character as a bit of a tool lol. Also, Lord Doom felt more like a homage to Lord Hater, rather than borrowing or stealing from Wander Over Yonder (RIP).
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this romance between Molly and Ollie. I literally love everything else about season 2, except anything with Ollie in it. I recall watching a recent episode where the episode wasn't even about Ollie or even had him as the main focus, but his presence still lowered the quality of the episode for me (I still enjoyed it though). This is all giving me flashback's to Daria, a very good show that, for no reason, added a love interest and ruined a lot of the show until the end.
@@MarxistMomentum He was inserted as a normal teenage boy character. Regarding his personality, it's fair to want him to be more “complex” or deep but I disagree with him being an exact copy of Molly. They're different in multiple aspects.
I really hate that some people hate a simple boy/girl romance because I think it’s really important and I don’t want boys to hate girls or girls to hate boys!!!!
calling ollie boring is like saying you think molly is boring. hes very similar to her personality wise so whatever you can like about molly, you can like about ollie too. also the interactions they have are really sweet, they connect very organically with shared desires and interests. what is wrong with this? olie doesnt need to be a foil to be interesting
@@GamerTowerDX depends on how much you like eating rice, cause if its your fav meal (or character) twice as much is twice as good. and I for one dont mind doubling down on my fav meal on the menu (fav character of the show)
While I don't like the Mollie ship and am disappointed that it's canon now even though I knew it was coming from a mile away, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it ruined the entire show because it didn't. The Chens are interesting antagonists and Ollie and June are sweet and cool characters. I especially enjoy Molly and Ollie's friendship dynamic even if I don't ship it romantically.
Okay no, no, no, HELL no, comparing TGAMM season 2 to FOP season 10 is BS, just INFINITE nos. Bad enough your video is FORTY THREE minutes long, and about a TV season THAT ISN'T OVER YET!
Exactly. I get it's his opinion but comparing this show to past shows is not necessary. The later seasons of FOP were absolutely trash. I bet if Molibby or Mollandrea become canon, he'll make a 2 hour video praising it.
@@akilelawless8460 and you can't compare season 10 of a show well passed its prime to a second season of a show that's not finished. Every single episode of season 2 of molly mcgee even the weaker ones are more entertaining and watchable than the entirety of season 10 of the fairly oddparents
@imtheR3LER0feveryth1ng Finally someone is saying it lol, and I'd even say the people twerking for every story driven show are worse than the 90s kids that get mad when someone starts mentioning shows made after 2003. It's one thing to back the shows you grew up with but wanting a network to be one-dimensional just ain't it imo. If episodic shows like Gumball, We Bare Bears, Craig of the Creek and Regular Show were airing on Disney and not CN, then instead of talking about a CN Renaissance it would be all about how Disney has dominated the past 13 years
how to at least KINDA fix ollie’s motivations: maybe a ghost killed someone he was close to or liked a lot (but if that’s too dark for a kids show, maybe the ghost could have ruined that person’s life, or even ruined OLLIE’s life in somewhat)? that could make his bias against ghosts more clear, and make a lot more sense on why he’s so diligent in his hating of ghosts. and he could kind of be stuck between wanting to get revenge against ghosts for what happened, or want to let it go for the sake of not only molly but his own personal growth + letting go of the past. and that would be a lot more interesting to watch.
You should still keep watching molly mcgee all the way through because Ollie can still be developed don't let this change you opinion of the show pleaaaaassseee.
Ollie's kind of a boring character due to how much in common he has with Molly, but at the same time he's pretty inoffensive as far as love interests go. I don't think there's much basis for saying he ruined the show...
43 minutes of a guy wining about a character just for existing and comparing it to owl house with is a show that was really ruined by romance,. that is pretty sad
The Owl House being ruined by relationship??? How exactly?? The whole show didn't base around romance relationships. Characters had development archs with and without being in a relationship
You know what, I honestly don't mind the romance. Besides, TGAMM has better chances to work with it compared to Star vs. and Miraculous Ladybug. You guys (specifically 90% of the comment trend) are only complaining because deep down, you want the protag to be either LGBT or Aromantic altogether. Pick a lane.
23:42 Let me stop you there! Ok before anything else this is just another opinion and I respect yours BUT- I agree with @SunnylandProds on this one and Ollie DOES infact have an interesting...semi-interesting character after Mollie's rose-filtered view comes off. In "the Unhaunting of Brighton Video" and briefly in "Lets Play Turnipball!" We see that Ollie is insecure and doubtful and if you ask me he was so used to others making decisions for him that after he learned perhaps those decisions were not so right afterall he's so lost and doesn't know what to do anymore. Though I do agree that some episodes could've been better like "Lets Play Turnipball!" But not with removing Ollie rather adding to him. In the episode we just jump straight to Molly jumping around pumping everyone about how good of a sport Ollie is when we never got what led up to that moment. Perhaps the episode could've started with Ollie being curious about the sport or maybe more interesting that he wanted to do something for his city like winning them an award or something and that led up to Molly coaching him and discovering his talents at the game, Thus leading to her getting hopeful and getting everyone else's hopes up. Also you say there are other interesting characters in the show who WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE THE FIRST SEASON which would mean more screen time hence we get to know them better and you say Ollie isn't interesting when you haven't given him a shot to show us what he's got. Honestly when I first met Libby in the first episode to say that I despised her would be an understatement yet she managed to make her way into my heart as the show progressed and I almost forgot how offensive I thought of her first interaction with poor Molly when she refused to even shake Molly's hand because she thought she was finally getting on Andrea's good side and what a stupid people pleaser I thought of her to be but nope that whole thought crumbled on my head.
Now that you mention it Oliver is underdeveloped the only people he interacts with are Molly and Scratch and in my opinion, he suffers from the same problem Millie does from helluva boss
Fun fact:When I first heard of this show I misheard it as “The Ghost of Molly McGee” and thought our main protagonist was dead
LOL
Ha ha same
same i thought i was alone
You're talking about pretty freaking scary which is terrible show.
@@mediamuncher69 What?
I wouldnt say i like the second season as well as the first, but comparing it to Fairly Oddparents Season 10? Thats like comparing a plain sandwich to rotten meat.
THANK YOU 😂! That's honestly the worst possible comparison. You're comparing the first 8 episodes of a second season to the 10th season of a show WELL PASSED its prime
Yeah, having watched FOP S10 (bless my soul ik) the worst episodes of Molly McGee compared to the best of late stage FOP is still like comparing Spiderverse to The Emoji Movie. Molly McGee still has likable characters and fun plots- I even like Ollie, since even though he was brought on purely to be a Rule 63 Molly and a love interest, I like that they're giving him a character arc about unlearning his prejudice while living in a prejudiced family. I do understand the point about how he has no real dynamic with anyone that isn't Molly (and possibly Scratch).
The later seasons of FOP /badly/ flanderized all the characters we loved (if they weren't outright forgotten), kept adding in new characters that nobody cared about, and constantly broke the most basic rules of its universe, most egregiously that adults aren't supposed to know that fairies exist. Not to mention every new character after Foop was just awful... and even Foop was pushing it.
I mean, as dumb as it was, it is still his opinion ig
@glimmerstantroop46321 I agree, every opinion needs to be respected even though their wrong and utter garbage
@@Commenter839 Late Stage Fairly Odd Parents is still good. I can't watch the Flash episodes though. Two of my favorite episodes ever Crock Blocked and Finding Emo came from season 9.
I think my biggest problem with Ollie is him being exactly like Molly. I know they're kids and romance at the age is still kind of shallow, but I really hate when shows portray the idea that two people who are nearly identical are perfect for each other.
I don't seem them alike at all. They have similar interests but Molly's alot more energetic while Ollie Is calm. I can go on
I thought the whole point between Molly and Ollie is that they eventually find out they aren't as alike as they thought
Don't really think so... As someone pointed out already, their similarities are basically physical appearance, name and some interests, but personality-wise they can get kind of different.
Molly being assertive, energetic, almost always having self-confidence and occasionally impulsive, meanwhile Ollie being the calmer, clumsy and sometimes isn't very self-confident
Yeah opposites attract
I kinda wished Ollie was kind of more of his own character rather than being a genderbend of Molly.
There are some stuff they separate him from Molly but not enough to where he feels like a unique character
I do kinda like the way Scratch and Ollie kinda oppose each other in how they’re introduced, like scratch was introduced as an opposite to Molly, but they slowly realized they had stuff in common which brings them together, where Ollie seems like basically the exact same person as Molly, but are slowly revealed to be different in ways that keep them apart
The only real major difference was that Ollie didn’t like ghost while Molly did, that’s out the window now. There’s also the ghost hunting thing, but it doesn’t really feel like they add enough differences to make it clear they’re not the same person, or emphasize how they handle situations with ghost different enough.
@@trentmoore6947. I'd say the Ghost hunting bit is already substantial already. And one you failed to mention, is that until meeting scratch, molly didn't even know, ghosts existed!
@@erikbihari3625 i mean Molly has no problem with ghosts after meeting Scratch, they don’t do enough with the ghost hunting aspect to show how both handle situations with ghost differently. Like, a situation where Molly tries a non violent approach with a more aggressive ghost while Ollie tries to do it his ghost hunting way.
@@trentmoore6947. That's not what I meant, just said she didn't even knew they existed before meeting scratch. Give it time, tv shows, are good at that!
@@erikbihari3625 what does that have to do with my point? They could’ve shown my example in the Unhaunting of Brighton video, have a ghost who’s aggressive and show how Molly and Ollie handled it differently from it each other, they could’ve shown more differences in the previous episodes too.
There's nothing wrong with having romance in the series. We just need more to do with the characters. Maybe add some much needed villains.
They already have three villains with the chens, mega store, and jinx but also not every story needs a villain
Real, also Jinx is already there so,,
We got plenty, The Chens, and Jinx.
@@icecreamhero2375 And megastore
I think Season 2 look like pues and boots because the dreamworks movie have 3 villains goldlock and the 3 bears Darth wolf and jack and. The ghost and molly have joy Killers ghost ghost hunterS and mega store ceo.
Andrea is not self-centered she is vain. BIG difference. Being vain is thinking you are amazing. Being selfish is doing what ever you feel like doing and not caring how it affects others. That doesn't sound like Andrea.
Yea andrea genuinly feels bad if she does something she believes as wrong. She's even shown she very much can feel bad for others and just wants to make her life as well as others better. Atleast in her mind.
I agree
yeah ik t divaakbajqrty
@@charliepuppy. What does divaakbajqrty mean?
Yeah, remember that episode were she made a website and it started to ruin the rest of the businesses? Once she heard it she understood she had to shut it down. And she was very proud that she made a successful business.
She also bought her house back, simply because she thought they were friends. She probably would’ve done it either way anyway.
Try not to compare shows to The Owl House challenge: IMPOSSIBLE!!!
real !! personally i LOVE the way tgamm is different than toh, amphibia, and gravity falls. it’s more slice of life and realistic than “girl stuck in unfamiliar place has to save the world with the friends she made along the way.” i love the way it’s different. it’s not unnecessarily violent and doesn’t put molly through trauma to further the plotline. with luz and anne, a lot of their development is built on them being used. i think the romance here works. the characters in tgamm feel much more real (besides the fact that they are pretty much all human). i like the “love at first sight” trope. it really does just work here. it’s something new than in the owl house where its “enemies to lovers” and in gravity falls, both the twins are essentially “hopeless romantics.” tgamm is supposed to be a feel good show and i think the romance aspect fits in really well
@@endtrapta3393YAS DUDE. It just gets frustrating hearing comparisons to any new show. I understand that TOH and GF have become staples in animation history, but it doesn't mean we have to hold every new animated show to a certain standard.
The owl house isn’t even that good. Should compare it to Gravity Falls instead
@@taki7546yes it is.
It's the best show ever made
@@endtrapta3393, I don't really compare shows/movies to others. Not usually.
Unless it's something that reminds of something in another show, like Molly having a confetti cannon reminding me of Pinkie Pie from MLP FiM, for example.
Though in regards to TGaMM, almost as soon as the Chens got introduced and Molly and Oliver met, I fugured they would have 'the hots' for each other. But I didn't quite expect them to be crushing on each other pretty much immediately.
And I kinda liked how when he revealed that he was a ghost hunter and became (technically, due to concern for Scratch) her enemy, she still hoped that it could work out.
In The Owl House, Amity started crushing on Luz first. And Luz didn't start crushing on Amity until after that episode (I forget the title) when Amity yelled out "Hey! Stay away from my Luz!"
When it comes to Amphibia, I was actually surprised that they didn't go the love interest route. Not even a love triangle, like Anne having a thing for Marcy and Marcy having a thing for Anne and Sasha having a thing for both Anne and Marcy while Marcy isn't into Sasha.
(or something like that)
But no. There was no blushing or looking away or anything like that.
But yeah, all in all, I don't really know why people wanna hold newer shows or movies to a standard that came before.
Like, 'let them be good in their own way without criticizing them for not being like something else that came before'.
Danny Phantom:
Oh for the love of -DANNY PHANTOM IS A SUPER HERO CARTOON, while TGAMM is a slice of life with horror elements, they're not the same type of show.
My biggest problem with season 2 is the lack of the chairman. He brought a sense of dread and intimidation in the first season and that’s just gone now. There’s no actually intimidating villain in the show anymore and we still have so many unanswered questions about him. Why didn’t he talk? How did he get in control over the ghost world? How exactly did Molly kill him? He was a ghost. Did he die again? As it is now, the chairman was just a waste of a villain. He barely even did anything before Molly killed him. Jinx is still around and I know the show is going to do something with her eventually. She apparently loved the chairman but we have no idea why. Also, slightly off topic but I’m so confused why everyone is acting like scratch killed the chairman. He didn’t. Molly did. Scratch was just kind of their
*there, not their
@@kjw21411 seriously💀
It’s because if it wasn’t for scratch molly wouldn’t have come to the ghost world. Also if you have seen the new 3 episodes in episode 11 jinx is explored mkre
@@kjw21411 theyre*
@@based980 you used they are, not there
You gotta understand The Ghost and Molly McGee is a slice of show that's why every episode is a stand alone story with only a few having an impact on the whole story
*they should’ve done a darker story*
Uh… No.
I feel they could Foucsed more on Story Drivin Stuff
@@StevenJones851 They are. This is. Ollie is a victim of inherited prejudice. One of the big points of this season is how good people can be prejudiced against things they don’t understand.
I don’t know how people miss this, it’s not subtle.
And as for Molly and Ollie’s relationship, I posted a much longer comment somewhere else, but TLDR: Doomed crush falls apart -> Friendship -> Much stronger romance built on friendship, trust and understanding.
@@SunnylandProds ok i see but i just hope the Romance dosent ruin the show
@@StevenJones851 It won’t. It’s not the focus, and it’s never been the focus.
While Ollie is far from my favorite character, his relationship with Molly is genuinely adorable. They have a lot of chemistry, they bounce off each other perfectly, and Ollie's arc, going from a ghost hating ghost hunter, to realizing they aren't as bad as he previously thought is really well executed. Plus, as much as I love both Libby and Andrea as characters, I never felt like shipping them with Molly was anything more than just fan speculation. They never really had anything that would hint at a romantic connection, and making them a couple would feel forced. Like, Anne I could totally believe starting a relationship with either Sasha or Marcy. But the relationship that Molly has with both Libby and Andrea feel way too platonic to develop into something more. I'm all for LGBTQ ships, but do it in a way where it feels natural, not just to make it happen.
A perfect example definitely goes to Lumity
Yeah I agree. I think AJ is being a bit too harsh on Ollie for being a designated love interest, but he's honestly not a bad character as far as these archetypes go. I do see his point about Ollie's lack of chemistry with everyone else though. Aside from how he's trying to get on Scratch's good side now, Ollie has no dynamic with any of Molly's friends.
Youre just an example of someone who thinks "cute" outweighs "importance to story and to narrative drive" you are the lowest common denominator of human comprehension
I'm just surprised Disney allowed a heterosexual relationship to appear in tv, and one of their main protagonists in a day and age where the idea of fairy tale straight romances started heading the dodo's way!
@@erikbihari3625 The Owl House is literally the only show in DTVA history to have an openly LGBT protagonist, and it got cut short because of that. Every other animated show with gay couples has those relationships either restricted to the unimportant secondary characters or hidden away in the background.
It's a huge exaggeration to imply straight relationships are dying out, particularly in the Disney TV Animation side
Season 2 of The Ghost and Molly McGee been GREAT! Been loving this season, especially with how things are going, Scratch now the new Chairman and have to deal with things in the Ghost World along with with dealing with Jixn who serve as a side villain to Scratch, McGee new neighbor are ghost hunters with Molly having a cute crush on the neighbor boy, who is actually a good addition to the cast really enjoy Ollie character and that they didn't keep Scrath a secret from him a whole season, we are getting way more of Libby and Andrea this season and they are both receiving lot of Character Development, specially Andrea and Libby also got her period and we learn more her family and her dad most of this season been great.
Wonderful opinion!! I don’t understand why people in the fandom treat Ollie like complete garbage when in fact he’s an actual great character with lots of development so far!!
I agree with you. Some people are just treating Season 2 like garbage. The team is trying their best to make Season 2 look good. But SOME critics JUST have to ruin it for others. Like bruh :/
I'm also hoping Andrea will meet Scratch sometime in Season 2, or 3.
I think it has to do with the fact that Ollie is too similar to Molly
This guy is spitting facts. In my opinion, season 2 has been an incredible improvement on an already incredible first season
Season 2 been amazing so far can't wait for new episodes to come back in January.
"Ollie is boring." I don't mind him. His relationship with Molly and his redemption arc is cute. Also, not every character needs to be deep. You can mix deep characters with simple ones. For example, I love Pigpen from Peanuts. He is one of my favorite fictional characters in anything ever and his gimmick is simple.
the thing is, it wasn't really a redemption arc, he is too perfect and the whole ghost hunting thing was mostly just a missunderstanding, there is nothing to really make him stand out unlike Andrea and Libby who had and still have things to work through.
@@matias3542 Believing something your whole life and then changing is a redemption arc. If that isn't one I don't know what is. He cried about it in the rental store episode.
@@matias3542 Libby never had to be redeemed because she was never an antagonist. Andrea was never bad just vain and a little snobby.
@@icecreamhero2375 im not talking about the characters being evil or bad people, im talking about them having flaws, Libby had and still has a ton of self steem issues which are a lot more interesting than this bland ass E-boy who is literally just Molly's gender bent.
I think you're conflating "deep" with interesting.
Deep is what the newbie story lovers think characters should be, takes a long time to get to know, is mysterious story-wise, maybe has an ulterior motive.
People, understandably, aren't fans of those characters.
And no one is asking for ANY of that when they say a character is boring.
No, boring implies a character is not fun to watch.
There isn't much fun or humorously inviting about Ollie, he's a played straight generic boy.
I don't view the season in this way at all, really. While you're right about the show moving in a new direction, it's not entirely romantic-centric. This is really only 3 full episodes out of the total 11 that have already aired. However, I do see what you mean in terms of a lack of continuity between the 1st and 2nd seasons, and how that's a problem.
I like Mollie and Ollie. I don't think romance ruined it. It has some great episodes like the one with Libby and her dad, and the ones about Molly and her Thai heritage
LIBBY AND THE DAD EPISODE WAS SO GOOD!!!
Me too
Eh, I disagree with a lot of the arguments here. Especially comparing this season to season 10 of The Fairly Odd Parents... Hell nah. Sorry, but you're tripping on that one. This season Is not that bad even if I agreed with all the points you made. I'm not gonna go into all the details because I would have to write an entire essay here, but I do want to say a few things. Regarding the point you made about Ollie never really explaining why he hates ghosts, he literally clarified to Molly that he himself didn't really have a reason to hate ghosts other than what his dad has told him his whole life. He explained in the third episode that the ghosts hadn't done anything to him, but that they attacked his dad when he was a child. Now you could think that this is a weak reason to hate ghosts the way he does but you need to put yourself in his shoes. His whole life he has been taught by his parents, more specifically his dad, that ghosts are the worst of creatures, they're dangerous and they only exist to hurt humans. So I feel like it's wrong for you to say that they never touch on the reasonings behind Ollie being a ghost hater because is not really true. Clearly, Ollie has been indoctrinated by his dad to hate ghosts. Most humans in the show don't even know if ghosts really exist let alone if they're good or bad so I don't find it unthinkable that Ollie would grow to despise ghosts when throughout his life he's been told that they're bad. They touch on this again in the "frightmares" episode when Ollie and Molly are having a fight over whether ghosts are good or bad, he tells her that "I've been told my whole life that ghosts are bad, it has to be true" or something along those lines. Also, his seeing his dad constantly mocked by the public might have influenced his hate towards ghosts and his wanting to be right, him wanting his dad to be right and prove the unbelievers wrong. Is also one of the reasons he seemed to like Molly, because he saw her as someone that "understood" him.
The other point that Ollie lacks character and doesn't serve any purpose other than being Molly's love interest can be debated. Even though I agree that they could've made Ollie's character a little bit more interesting or complex, I disagree that he doesn't serve any real purpose or hasn't had any development. He definitely had development, and you can call it rushed but there's just so much they can add within the time frame of the episodes. I think you and other people are forgetting that this isn't a plot-driven show. The fact that we have these little plots on the side and characters actually getting development is just extra. The creators confirmed this themselves, they clarified that season 2 feeling like it follows more of a plot rather than complete randomness is just coincidental and extra. I think it's completely fair for fans to expect a bit more plot and development-wise, but you also need to understand the situation the writers are in. They don't even know if they're getting a third season, which is why one of the creators stated that they concluded the season at the end to the point where it should still feel satisfying. They do not have other options other than rushing through the little plots they have in their episodic show. I do believe that if they knew they had more seasons at hand, they could've developed more of the plots like Ollie's arc but I think his character has been fine with the current circumstances. I feel like the whole point of Molly's and Ollie's relationship is that they weren't as similar as they thought they were and I think they touch on that more as the series progresses. Is the opposite of Lumity, where they go from enemies to lovers. I also disagree with you using Lumity as the ideal way to write a relationship since I found it bland for the most part and also extremely rushed but that's a whole other conversation.
I disagree with the claim that Molly and Ollie are exact copycats of each other. I really do not get why people keep repeating that. Just because they both want to improve society around them doesn't mean they're the exact same person. If anything, the latest episodes have proved that Molly and Ollie are different in multiple aspects. For example, Ollie is nowhere near as confident as Molly is, in fact, he doubts himself all the time something Molly never does. It's Molly always the one putting confidence in Ollie. This fits the whole "we weren't as similar as we thought we were" trope which in my opinion is what they've been going for.
I don't really get why you said that the whole of season 1 was them building up the ghost world and the final clash with the chairman. In a way, yes, it was, but it's not like every episode was plot development toward the ghost world and the chairman. If anything, it was the same as season 2, Molly and Scratch in the human world with the ghost world on the side. Scratch not taking his job seriously makes sense and he has made it clear that he has no intention of taking it seriously unless the circumstances demand him to. This matches his character perfectly as not only he dislikes responsibility, he enjoys spending more time in the human world, with Molly than in the ghost world. Some ghosts do respect him as the chairman and we saw that in some of the episodes like Geoff's party one, and others don't, such as Jinx, which also makes sense. It's true that Scratch being powerless against some of the ghosts might not make much sense such as when he "fought" Blair, but you need to also remember that Scratch usually avoids taking drastic measures against other ghosts. What was he going to do against, let's say, Blair? Vanish her to another realm for eternity? He didn't even want to hurt the frightmares but they left him no choice, remember? What makes you think he's going to resort to drastic measures against ghosts capable of reasoning when he didn't with the ones that weren't capable.
About your criticism of "I wanna dance with some Ollie", I feel like you missed the entire point of the episode. The writers made it clear that both Molly and Scratch were in the wrong here, but more Molly. "Molly was being selfish in this episode, to the point of putting Scratch in danger" Well yes I thought it was pretty clear that this was wrong on Molly's part. The show wasn't glorying the way Molly was acting in the episode with scratch. She realizes that she was in the wrong and "dumps" Ollie. Is not like she never comes to her senses. Scratch could've been a little bit more understanding of the situation as well. Anyways, this season hasn't been perfect by any means but I just don't think some of the criticism here is completely fair. I hope this comes out the way it was intended. It's just me disagreeing with some of your points. I would write more and go into more details but this is already getting too long.
You hit the nail on the head. I agree with alot of what you said. Also yes that comparison to season 10....... nah🤣🤣🤣. Molly mcgee season 2 is miles better than that mess of a season
I find it funny how you said you didn't want to end up writing an essay and ended up doing it anyway lol
@@DiamondDrizzle haha I wrote a lot without realizing it. I wanted to write more too but I don’t think people want to read 3,000 word TH-cam comment nor do I think it’s even possible to write that much.
@@mr.punkie5872 I read the entire thing- and you make some good points, just something you gotta do when your just one of those people who's constantly looking at the comments
Yeah, I agree with all of this, and if you were going to make your comment even longer, I imagine you'd have pointed out Ollie's development (Jay says he has none). Ollie moving past his indoctrinated belief that ghosts are bad to learn that they're more complex than that, is development. The next episode, we learn about his guilt, and it leads to him and Scratch reaching an understanding, which is further development.
Okay about the "Viewed as the same person" thing... that's a full on LIE, by the bulk of ghost society Scratch is practically worshipped outside of a few outliers. In one episode he even brings up how important being liked is to him, to the point where it was at the expense of his friends who liked him BEFORE he was cool.
I'm sorry but with that line and the...FORTY THREE minute run time, you come off as Mr. Enter but with a good editor.
In Jinx and New Paranormal it's shown many ghost love Scratch as the Chairman so I don't see any lack of respect here. There treating him way better than anything in season 1 combined! Dude is signing autographs and having people cheer his name
@@chloenieuwsma4846 EXACTLY -did he just SKIP that episode?!
@yoshimickster seems like it. Or he just put that picture in without knowing the context
@yoshimickster to be fair, and I am NOT defending him here. By the looks of things, this script was written before "All Shark No Bite" and every episode post that.
@@glimmerstantroop46321. Not a compelling excuse, because scripts can be revised even while working,
“Ruined” is a strong word. A more accurate term would be “altered” but that’s stretching it. The show introduces ghost hunters, kinda expected with a show about a girl and her ghost friend. The protagonist has a crush on one of the ghost hunters. Having a crush doesn’t always translate to romance, even then, Molly’s main concern about Oliver (a ghost hunter) is how he’ll react to Scratch. Molly’s relationship with Oliver presents a dilemma, just not a romantically charged one.
And since we’re talking about Oliver’s presence in the show: season 2 has about 14 episodes, Oliver is in episodes 1 , 2, 5, 7, 8 and 13. If you factor in that the episodes are split into two 11 minute episodes, there’s about 26 episodes in season 2. That means Ollie is in 6 out of the 26 episodes of this season. So the show doesn’t even focus that much on him. And when it does, it’s less about Molly’s “romantic feelings” for Ollie, and more about her keeping Scratch safe from Ollie or random shenanigans like “engoodifying” the world.
I’m probably off with the calculations of those episodes (so please correct me if I’m wrong), but I’m sure about Ollie’s inclusion to the story being relatively minor.
Hard disagree
hard agree
@@potturtle366 harder disagree
@@nsaasuquo4181 even harder agree 🤧
@@potturtle366 hardest disagree
Worst video from you since your The Owl House pilot review.
Also it's been stated already but comparing this to FOP Season 10 is an apples to broccoli comparison.
This review has everything but why complain about not focusing on being serialized when that was NEVER the show's goal? bring The Owl House for no reason despite Molly and TOH being different shows on storytelling and bring FOP S10 for no goddamn reason
Adding even a crumb of lore gathers people who want to turn your kids cartoon into Lord of the Rings. It's a shame.
@@TuesdaysArt at the end of the day toh and amphibia are there for that purpose
I agree that it doesn't need to be as serialized or dark as TOH, but it had ALWAYS had continuity, but how s2 dealt with the plot & continuity is awful imo.
If you like it, that's fine but I personally agree with most of his review and criticism.
"ruined" the hell is this guy talking about? s1 was great and s2 is goated so far
I usually agree with you opinions but this one I can’t. The ghost world does show to respect scratch like in the afterlife of a party or Jinx! more but the ghost council and jinx still hates him. The chairman role was useful against the frightmares and lord doom and wasn’t useful against others since scratch didn’t use the whole curse aspect against the story sprite nor Blair. The show was never story driven and had an overarching threat but most episodes focused in molly making Brighton happier. The whole thing about why molly or doesn’t say about the fact that ghosts used to live to cause misery but changed is that ghosts still do love to scare and cause problems like in frightmares on main street they made a whole game on scaring people. Ollie seems like a rehash of molly but we see more of him in let’s play turnip ball with how he gets confused by the extreme stuff of Brighton and in Brighton video we see him be more awkward and struggle to fit in with the group. Also in the 11 episodes or 20 if you count each half separately we see Ollie 6 times when we have seen Libby 8, Darryl 9, Pete 8, and Sharon 7 times as a important character to an episode.
So of he showed up 6 times with the his role in the recent episode being minor, the romance aspect of molly mcgee doesn't really hurt the show imho
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah that was my point he has been there less than all main characters besides Andrea
Dude my biggest problem is that they no longer have a main antagonist.
The Chairman was a looming threat throughout the first season but there isn't anything like that in season 2.
i mean if you see the ghost hunters as looming threats then like theyre ok but i feel like jinx can be a massive threat with the new episode
Yes they do. Where were you when Jinx was being focused on? Plus the Ghost Chaser Chens could be the mainn antagonists as well.
fair points.
The Chens were suppopsed to be the new main antagonists but they're pathethic antagonists. Only Ollie did his part. The other ones showed up, blasted Geoff and Jeff, and then got fucked just to be saved by Scratch. Ruben, Esther and June have 0 weight so far.
Comparing season 2 with The Fairly Odd Parents Season 10 is like comparing an IPhone to a calculator
comparing it to fairy oddparents season 10 is wildd
The second season so far is okay in my opinion. Casually it's still fun and watchable and I like the improvements in some of the characters and elements in the show, but it does feel weaker right now than the first season.
I dont even like Ollie (dudes just ok), but my guy you are acting like he is worse than modern Patrick Star.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
Fr. I honestly think it's not as bad he's making it. Especially he's judging the start of the season without knowing where it's leading. I trust these writers have a plan of sorts
Molly S2 has been good. The romance hasn't even been focused on since 5B. Molly and Ollie have been casual friends atm and there are still great episodes like the most recent one with Jinx, the thai one, period piece, and the indoor family vacation. Yes the romance is basic so far but don't act like it's ruining the show because it's clearly not. Also this season is Citizen Kane compared to Fairly Odd Parents S10 that's not an appropriate comparison.
Completely agree with you. Sometimes I feel like youtube critics try a bit too hard to criticize-
@@genericfishstick Which is why he hasn't responded to any comments.
@@genericfishstickyea there even go after movies that did well .
For me, it isn't just the romance that is awful, but also the plot, episodes and character development. It's very dissapointing to me tbh.
There was so much potential for tgamm, but it was ruined because of romance & also because the show couldn't decide whether it becomes more serialized or "stays episodic".
However I think S1 had a perfect balance from the start. It definitley never needed the "disney-isms", but perhaps it could've been more like Steven Universe or shows with similar writing style; mostly light-hearted & cutsie, and even having so-called "filler" episodes, but also having well-written continuity.
5:41 I just realized that Libby has the same voice actor as Lisa from the loud house (Lara Jill Miller)
I realized that when i first started watching tgamm but forgot until watching this video😅
Well i understand your point, i have to disagree. Well yes Ollie was designed to be Molly's love interest, I thought it was fine. It reminds me of Big City Greens, they just had fun with each episode and occasionally gave characters growth.
While the idea of a darker season sounds cool, i think that trend has ran it's course and this was a breath of fresh air. Not every show needs a huge plot of saving the word from an unknown villain or being.
I think you're a bit harsh because this show doesn't seem like your cup of tea maybe
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Alpha Jay: The Mcgees and the Chens are too similar. Me: Thats the joke.
I dont think the show is ruined I think season 2 is coming out good and also the new songs are really good
I disagree. Well for the most part anyway. Ollie IS rlly similar to Molly. But he got more character later in episodes. Also their relationship moving quickly makes sense. They are so similar and it seems like they were made for eachother, so the relationship moving forward quickly isn’t that weird. And a thing I rlly like is that they didn’t get together. And after Ollie found out abt ghosts him and Molly went back to being friends, they would talk with eachother more comfortably which is great because it means if they do get in a relationship, it’s going to be more healthy. There were some flaws with Ollie’s character but he is a different person from Molly. And we see the differences in “the unhaunting of Brighton video” after that episode he was Mollys genuine friend, not just a character to be her love interest. I rlly liked this season, they explored new ideas and I don’t think it did badly like ur suggesting.
OLLIE IS BETTER OFF DEAD! MOLLY IS BETTER OFF GAY!
@@tomkatt8274chill dude not ever main character has to be gay.
@@TiredMoonRabbit its is gay for a man to have zex with a woman
Also, this is Disney we are talking about. They like to cancel shows quickly so if you want to do something you have to do it immediately.
@@tomkatt8274 what
This aint it chief, you aint gotta take this cartoon that serious
It was pretty refreshing seeing most of the comments disagreeing with the video tbh
The notion that everything has to be story based is something that should have died 9 years ago lmao
Talk about completely missing Character arcs. And wanting to prioritize lore over Character exploration 😂
I dont think thats what he's saying.
He said that he liked how TGAMM took a different path from the other darker disney shows; if it had been written better in S2, the light-hearted, more episodic path could've worked very well for TGAMM.
I thought of a great way to make Ollie's character actually great. Have a later episode of the season reveal Ruben doesn't want to fight ghosts for nobel reasons, he wants to eradicate them to make himself a hero. But in order to do so, he tricked Esther into believing in ghosts too and then marry him to start a ghost hunting team. And 13 years later, a viral video about a certain rich influencer befriending a new student catches his attention. (Especially with her floating around and spinning in the air) the new student becomes a renouned do-gooder, thus leading to Ruben engeneer his own son to act exactly like that so he can catfish her in order to see if she's actually involved with ghosts, but as time goes on, he acts more and more different from her and even changing his point of view on the afterlife, which leads to his dad to take more extreme measures, even going to Bizmart to team up against both Molly and Andrea's families. (Plus, this would give room for Jinx to have a redemption arc) Ollie feels even more awful that his father tortured him into becoming a little monster (yeah this is taking from Rocket Raccoon) so his arc is to find his own self and become a crusial part of the ghostfriends and even have great interactions with both Scratch and Libby.
That's such an interesting idea.
Yeah I feel like this would be a really good plot point to have in the show
Oh, if only the team used TH-cam
Then they could see this beautiful idea
I think I was Oily awesome a little annoying but awesome also I honestly don’t like the prom episode
@@CatKun1234 I think the main problem is that Ollie is too similar to Mollie.
The reason why the other characters work so well with Molly is because of how distinct they are from her.
Ollie would work if he were to have a more distinct and unique name, design and personally.
I don't mind this new direction and I think romance seems to always get a bad reputation.
Ollie can still be a ghost hunter. Instead of hunting ghosts he'll promise to only hunt bad ones. There can still be a clash of ideals between him and molly. Along the lines of "not all ghosts are bad, but not all ghosts are good". The romance between them is also kinda rushed tbh.
As much sense as you make, I still have a lot of hope for season two. I honestly believe that most of not all of the problems can be fixed with just a few episodes.
An Ollie-centric episode is necessary for sure, maybe where he confronts his guilt about going against family values while interacting with them, Scratch, and other characters as well.
And DEFINITELY- DEFINITELY!!! A flashback episode. This would help explain why Ollie and his family feels the way he does about ghosts.
(Also side note Molly would benefit from a flashback episode as well. It could be anywhere from a lighthearted scene about the moment she realized she was meant to enhappify, to a full episode that has a more deep and meaningful message addressing her impulsive, perfectionistic and people pleasing tendencies)
And THEN maybe during Scratch’s flashback segment he can really get a reason WHY he should be the chairman, because until now the council basically forced him into it. Omg I would totally love it if he could just STAND UP FOR HIMSELF TO THE COUNCIL because he deserves it and it would improve their dynamic A LOT if the council were a little less snobby and a little more open.
Anyway that’s my huge rant lmaooooooo
They explained why they hate ghost, one of them attacked Ollie's dad.
THE NEW EPISODES WERE FIREEEE
The arguement about Scratch being the chairman and only dealing with problems no one wants to deal with is fair, but I think you're forgetting the fact that this is a slice of life show, the story isn't gonna go through the same route that a lot of recent Disney shows went, and it seems you're setting expectations for the show that weren't intended in the first place
Also about the Molly and Ollie story, the "very romantic" stuff only lasted about 3 episodes to then take a more platonic route (also while they still show that they have feelings for eachother, it's a lot more subtle), and I feel like the intention for the story was that Molly would rush to explore these new feelings she was having to only then take a step back and see if the realationship really is right for her, and since the dance, Molly tries to get to know Ollie a lot more which in turn let's us see the differences between them, and as a result, we learn that Ollie is quite awkward, clumsy, and doubtful but still incredibly sweet and caring towards Molly, even if it's sometimes a bit extreme (like how Ollie is determined to save/protect Molly as shown in "Frightmares on Main Street"), also I feel like comparing them to Luz and Amity is incredibly unfair considering how much more superior their develpment was in comparison to Mollie, but that's my take
If you don't like the season that's fine, but don't talk about it like it's the worst thing to ever exist
If I had a nickle after every time alpha jay show was wrong about romance, it'd make two, wich isn't a lot, but still pretty weird that it has happened even this mutch! Anyone else agrees?
5:21 I disagree. It doesn't pick and choose. Now that the original chairman is gone it is treated like a boring desk job. 6:34 false equivalency. Danny Phantom is a fighting show while Molly McGee isn't. Also Danny can go in the portal at any time because it is in his basement. In Molly Mcgee only ghosts can enter the ghost world. 20:10 Of come on everyone loves a good Chuckie parody.
Season 2 of molly mcgee has been a step up from the 1st tbh. The songs are better. The jokes hit harder and yea I did like the romance between molly and Ollie and how it morally tested molly. Yea I do wish they'd do more with scratch being the chairman but we'll see how the rest of the season goes
Agreed
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The thing I liked about the first season of molly McGee was how it was like a sitcom (but animated) and since it was animated, it was more palatable. Don’t get me wrong, there are ups and downs of season one, but the good segments or episodes stick out like a sore thumb
WHAT DO YOU MEAN RUINED!? I love the new plot so far. Also there was hint of a new antagonist stepping in. If anything the stakes have been upped.
Same, I actually enjoyed it
If anything, this romance has been pretty secondary. The real meat of the show is the ghosts, especially Scratch.
@@alecbama1 YES! THANK YOU! 👏
Who's the new villain?
I wouldn’t say the stakes have been upped. If anything they’re substantially lower. Molly went from fighting the ruler of the entire afterlife, to trying to hide her friend from her neighbors💀
Ruined? The Romance is fine, literally, the only people who have a problem with it are the people who ship Molly with Andrea or Libby. Literally, nobody else has any problems with the romance idk what you're on about?
Yeah, even some people who ship Andrea x Molly, Libby x Molly, or Andrea x Libby x Molly (including me) don’t mind Ollie and even ship Ollie x Molly. I question what Alpha Jay says here cause it feels like he didn’t watch season 2.
I don't even mind Ollie tbh, at least now that it seems they're doing more with him than making him a love interest in the second half. It's not bad imo, but I feel like a lot of the more recent plots feel rather underdeveloped due to the 11 minute time frame.
(The period episode was particularly disappointing imo- it felt like the episode just wanted to have an episode to talk about periods, but nothing would change in the plot if "period" was replaced with the more general "puberty." I also felt pretty weird about how the first thing the show told us about June was that she's autistic, and then proceeded to show us nothing about it. Something something show, don't tell.)
I still like the show, and I wanna see where it goes. But it's a downgrade from S1 so far.
The autism thing is a really good point actually.. that could be one to two things though.. either June is just insecure about it, maybe from a past event from their previous home.. or the writers just wanted to make a character like that to represent that, and just blurted it out just because
Either way I’d give it some more time though, it hasn’t even been half the season, it’s still got a lot to say.. I think.
@@cAbLeBoX16 Yeah, I'm still hoping they do something with this tidbit before the season is over. I found this especially jarring because I started S2 right after watching Rise of the TMNT, which honestly has some of the best autism representation I've ever seen with Donnie, and The Owl House, which also committed to writing Luz as neurodivergent. As it stands though, right now the line with June just felt like a cheap way of scoring brownie points. I'm not trying to say autistic characters need a "reason" to exist or anything like that, but just that they shouldn't have specifically included that in her character introduction if they weren't gonna commit to writing a character with autism.
What else could've they added to the period episode? I feel like you were expecting too much from an 11-minute episode of a mainly episodic show. There's just so much they can add within that time frame.
@@mr.punkie5872 It wasn't that I feel the period episode needed more stuff added to it, I just feel like the central conflict could've had more to do with periods specifically. Off the top of my head, we can have an episode conflict about how period cramps can genuinely hurt like a mofo, but tons of people don't take it seriously. End it off with a moral about how just because you can't relate to someone's issues doesn't make them any less significant to them.
A Period Piece, as it is, isn't really about menstruation. It's an episode about growing up that just uses "period" as a placeholder for "puberty", and it plays everything completely straight outside of that one edit. Even the B plot about Pete going overboard with buying pads could've easily been replaced with Pete going overboard buying deodorant, or acne washes, or something. Not a bad episode, but not as novel or interesting as some have claimed either.
@@cAbLeBoX16I’m patiently awaiting more of June. It’s coming!!
I respectfully disagree with you, first I will say that I can see your coming from, your certainly not wrong about Ollie lacking character & having no unique dynamics yet (at least compared to Libby & Andrea). I can understand the comparison between Trent & Ollie (although I need to rewatch Trent, but from what I remember, Trent only had one trait, he was the nice guy), I do think it is a bit unfair to compare Ollie to Amity, as I would consider both Owl House & TGAMM both to be totally different shows despite been both airing on the Disney Channel.
Personally thou, I'm really enjoying Season 2, although I will admit, I don't really care for the ghost world as much as I probably should. I will say that I do think Scratch is supposed to shown to be incompetent if anything, the worst episode for me (and there's only one) so far is Let's Play Turnipball, with my favourite episode been Like Father, Like Libby.
I will say that interestingly enough that the romance themed episodes of Season 2 is amongst my favourites too. Also, the songs from this Season have been pretty good too, not sure what your thoughts on them are.
Also, I wish you luck in the comment section
If I'm being honest, I like that Scratch's new role as Chairman isn't an automatic win button. Now, you did miss some advantages Scratch now has - such as the rest of Ghost Society no longer seeing him as a loser (as seen at the start of AfterLife of the Party where they let him cut in line at the coffee shop) or Scratch being able to perform more powerful curses, leading to Lord Doom and the Frightmares being trapped in things. But given that the Story Sprite and Blair mostly stayed in the human realm, it makes sense that they wouldn't respect a figure of authority from the ghost realm. And again, I like that Scratch and Molly have to actually come up with solutions instead of Scratch just fixing everything by going into Chairman mode. It goes better with the themes of the show (communication, friendship, etc) than fighting or any sort of Ghost World lore ever would.
I actually think that they're cute together
Edit: the title is really misleading
Edit: the video is really boring, I usually like long videos(I watched a 10 hour long video about the economy in Harry Potter, and I don't even like HP) but I can't finish this video
Same. Ollie and Molly are cute together.
I somehow finished this vid but I disagreed with so much lo-ol
@@glimmerstantroop46321 ikr?
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian no, molly, Andrea and libby is
@@tomkatt8274 molly, andrea, and libby are just friends and will continue to BE just friends.
I especially judge romance as someone who is aromantic. I feel like the romance tie isn't that bad but it's overly focused on. I personally excepted a smaller fight/face off with Jinx, or someone trying to take over Scratch's position and turning back the old system, as we can see, he isn't the best leader (I believe he wasn't meant to be one). It could have made us have a conflict which could have been resolved, causing problems, etc. My other thought was going to be Scratch having an actual injury from the Chens/or Oliver.
I personally still really like the show, and perhaps they are building up for something bigger for the season finale
"I will tell you what the season COULD have been".
Okay I said...I was done...but...Rao...DAMMIT-THE SEASON ISN'T OVER YET! You're complaining about how a story should've gone when its only HALF way over, UGH, bad review, bad.
Like seriously, that's a bit entitled 🙄
THIS SHOW WAS NEVER ABOUT THE LORE, WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR LORE IN AN EPISODE ABOUT SCRATCH'S FEARS OF REMEMBERING HIS PAST?
I feel like that there is a build up in season 2 with Jinx trying to overthrow Scratch's position as the Chairman because throughout season 2, Jinx tries to make Scratch's afterlife miserable. In "The (After)life of the party", Jinx "helps" Scratch hide from Geoff while it was obvious she wants him to get caught. And in the recent episode titled "Jinx!", Jinx jinxes Scratch until he and Molly tricked her into freeing him from it and it's revealed she wants to become the Chairwoman. And there is a future episode titled "Jinx Vs the Human World".
WAY TO SPOIL IT FOR THE PEOPLE DONT HAVE CABLE
What if she’s the childhood friend of Scratch
@@kmmk5022I've been thinking that 🤔
@@dark_angel7162 dang chill out, spoilers are everywhere, you can't escape all of them. Also this info is on google, you can easily see this stuff there just by searching. geez...
@kmmk5022 I don't think she's Adia. For 3 reasons
1. Scratch doesn't regnoize her and neither does Jinx
2. She hates strawberries
3. Jinx and Adia look very different
Hot take: I actually prefer season two over season one
I do wanna say one thing the romantic angle was a 5 episode arc at the start of the season.
Yea it really doesn't affect much of the season 😂. I found it harmless
@@darwinbowman8512People are missing the bigger picture, both with Molly and Ollie’s relationship, and with the Chens overall, and it’s infuriating.
It realistically was only focused on for 3 episodes
@@SunnylandProds this video was really hard to get through and I normally agree with alpha jay on his takes but this was not one of those times. I can see where he's coming from with Ollie but it feels like he's judging him too early. Also I think on some level molly was within her right to act like a selfish tween in the dance episode. We've all been teenagers and fell head over heels for someone. It causes us to think irrationally and that's what was happening there. She came to her senses by the end and priorities protecting her BFF realizing that having both Ollie and scratch in her life just couldn't work at least at the time. Idk to say romance ruined molly mcgee and the show itself is a HUGE stretch. Let's not forget too star vs exists and had way worse romance arcs than this😂
@@KirbyStarAnimation pretty much yea
No offence but you absolutely missed the point of the show. It’s like you did not really watch it or don’t like character growth. But to each their own I guess.
I’m trying to sound as nice as possible but your takes are all so wrong. You can dislike whatever you want to but spreading lies about a show is so not it.
I love how he says romance ruined molly mcgee for click bait and then just talks about how season 2 was a let down all around so he could have just said it was disappointing
Bro admitted he has Molly McGee fans hidden in his house. 💀
Hard disagree
Romance was only really in, like, the first few episodes. Then Molly's friendship with Scratch was strong enough to pretty much sideline the romance entirely, even when Ollie eventually became friends with Scratch. I haven't seen them pick back up on the romance. I strongly, strongly, strongly, strongly, STRONGLY disagree with you saying it "ruined" Molly McGee.
And I don't see the issue with Geoff and Jeff either, their romance with each other doesn't really ruin anything or get in the way of anything contrary to many ships, contrary to Starko... I say romance was sidelined because the whole "gotta ship them they're not yet together but they love each other" stuff was sidelined, whereas Jeff and Geoff were already together.
10:43 Pretty sure Scratch was haunting Brighton specifically _because_ it was an already miserable town, so he didn't have to do anything. Remember that Scratch is lazy and is a slacker... kinda like Larry Koopa is... They're also both big eaters too...
11:01: Yeah, I disagree with that. I would not simplify season 2 down to just that when it was only in the first few episodes, then gets sidelined entirely.
11:15 Wouldn't that be really complicated for them to explain, though? Yeah, the characters talk about bigger topics, but I feel like in that moment, it, didn't bother me.
11:33 He did??? He said that "a ghost scared his dad" and that's all he knew, that's why he disliked ghosts.
24:41 This is... very subjective???? I like Ollie's character, personally.
25:54 I feel like you just didn't understand them. I'm not really a fan of the parents much, but I like Ollie and I like June. I feel those two have more to their personalities than just "ghost hunter" or "carbon copy of their McGee counterpart" (I don't even think Ollie and June, especially June, are carbon copies. Ollie seemed so at first, not so much anymore.) technically, Ruben has things going for him that are outside of being a carbon copy of their McGee counterpart or being a ghost hunter, but eh, I still don't really like him much.
30:54 Also the last episode involving the ship stuff before it was sidelined, contrary to what your video title says.
32:01 I would've agreed at first, but now he feels a little more unique and I'm not sure how to explain it.
I don't feel like there was a quality drop at all and although I respect your opinion, it really just feels like your issue entirely is that "The Chens exist" or "Ollie exists" those first few episodes while saying that it's the entire second season, which I disagree with.
I dont like mollyxandrea cause its never gonna work i dont like the ship at alll so please stop redoing lumity in another show
@@nsaasuquo4181 saying you're not a homophobic person doesn't make you not one. Not saying you're but people say that then turn out to be one
@@meme-ih1wbtrue, though honestly, i don't really ship in the show
No offense to any shippers
I think Scratch should have been (reluctantly) trying to do good as the chairman and maybe have had a similar style of overarching plot which had ghosts rebelling in the human world as that would’ve given reason to an episode’s plot and wouldn’t have destroyed the previous season’s ending
The thing is this show was never meant to have a true overarching plot. Even in season 1 the whole thing with the ghost council wasn’t that important since it’s only focused on for a single episode to give an exciting finale kinda like in early mlp. Even now we have three different villains with the chens, the mega store guy, and jinx and all of them will be handled in different episodes
@@KirbyStarAnimation I think what alpha jay wants is more substance with the ghost world and scratch as the chairman and tbh I don't think it's needed?? Like you said this show wasn't meant to have an overarching story. And that aspect is what I like about molly mcgee. It's got enough substance and has continuity but not so much that I have to watch every single episode to understand where we're at
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah episodes 3a, 4, 6a, 8b, 9, 10, and 11b have nothing relating to story
@@KirbyStarAnimation alot of season 2 episodes could be put into season 1 and you wouldn't know the difference
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah except for faint of art and double Daryl and trouble since faint of art would have to be after the best nintentions and the ladder would have to be after the season 1 finale
Looking back at this video is more annoying now that the show ended (prematurely, it was supposed to have a third season, but the final episode is overall as the third season's final episode was intended to be) and had what is IMO the best ending/last episode for a show I've seen, considering the tone was very unexpected though one theory being confirmed was expected for me.
Season 2 was better IMO than you gave it credit for (the end was absolutely fantastic), and personally, I feel your arguments were very stupid since it was such a small part of season 2.
i think the apperances of stuff that happens growing up is honestly amazing for teens , the apperance of periods was honestly kinda great as shows for teens have been avoiding this topic , normalising it is great bc then teen girls wouldnt feel as if theyre different and weird and that its a normal thing
Fyi It isn't just teen girls who get periods. Girls can also get them as young as 8.
I do agree that periods are a good topic in a tween/teen show:)
I actually gotta watch the show before I judge it, lol. I was barely aware this show existed.
What a bs. Romance didn't ruin Molly McGee at all. It was a very small part of the second season
I haven't seen this show but I saw Total Drama, Trent and Gwen relationship gets so much worse in Total Drama Action. The worst romantic subplot in Total Drama is Cody and Sierra. Sierra deserves a restraining order and jail time for her disgusting stalking. The best romantic subplot in Total Drama is Mike and Zoey for passing the low bar of not being toxic and not breaking up.
as far as Gwen and Trent are concerned you can thank the executive producer for the way they were handled and for Gwen dumping him, cause the producer said they ended the relationship because quote we don't want kids thinking all relationships last forever.
@@brettglover135I’m more mad about how LaShawna first relationship ended
One of the ideas I had with "The Ghost and Molly McGee" for season 2 is that despite Scratch did not want to be the next Chairman, he does it anyway and that each time he uses the Chairman robe/cloak, he gets under influence of having that power, exactly how the old Chairman was, how they were silent and meant business and it slowly corrupts Scratch by each time he puts it on. It would eventually cause a problem that Scratch then tries to avoid it as much as possible but is always beckoned due to the rampage of ghosts, and have the other ghost look up to him as he does his job.
It's just an idea I had while watching the show.
THANK you. You put what was bothering me into actual words...
It's really such a shame to see what's going on with the show, hopefully it improves in the future. I still haven't even caught up fully with s2 because it's just so... boring to watch all of a sudden because of the flat romance.
(Even Geoff and Jeff have a vastly better romance even though you literally only see them together like twice. Love those two lmao)
i think this season is still pretty good, not as much as the first season but still not bad. what the season really needs is a story buildup for something bigger
Star vs the forces of evil: First time?
I am SO GLAD you talked about this because I tried, I really did, but I couldn't get through the Oliver episodes without skipping through like..80% of them. There's not a chance I could go back and really figure out what happened so this recap is EVERYTHING
Well, Jay mostly complained about it and didn't really explain Ollie's plot, so Imma just give you a more respectful recap (forgive me if it's long, but at least make an effort to read it all):
Molly and Ollie meet in The New (Para)Normal and quickly fall in love due to their shared interest in making the world better, but since Ollie's a ghost-hunter, Molly learns that the relationship can't really work unless he stops hunting ghosts, skip to Book Marks the Sprite, Molly starts trying to convince Ollie that ghosts aren't evil to which we then learn that he hunts ghosts because his father was tramatized by one as a kid, so he feels it's necessary to hunt them to keep people from experiencing something similar, and since he's so convinced, Molly just starts losing hope of changing his mind until Libby tells her that it isn't over yet, and then in "I Wanna Dance with Some-Ollie", Ollie and Molly awkwardly agree to going on a "not date" to which she then explains to Scratch that Ollie did not mention anything about ghosts while setting up, claiming it as being "progress", which obviously leads to a bit of tension between Scratch and Molly, fast forward to what happened at the dance after Scratch and Molly argued, Molly and Ollie share a slow dance which goes incredibly wrong because of Molly learning that Scratch got caught in a ghost snare, she frees him, apologizes and leaves, but before that, Ollie had figured out about Scratch's existence, and instead of telling his family he chooses to keep it a secret from them, even saying that Molly was "walking home with a friend" when she didn't come to their car, and since then they started avoiding eachother until "Frightmares on Main Street", where Ollie tries to learn about the ghost that Molly hung out with suspecting that she probably wasn't actually friends with him but that instead Scratch was controlling her or had her under a sort of spell or curse, so he tries to spy on Scratch claiming he's trying to protect/save Molly by finding a way to break said curse, to which he then finds out that Molly and Scratch have always been friends, and since he gets scared terribly by 2 ghosts at the same time, it just further approves of his view with him claiming that they only live to scare (I mean after an experience like that, wouldn't you think the same?), so after Molly learns that the Chens are outside (not with Ollie) due to the spike in supernatural activity, Molly tries to interviene and distract the Chens leading to Ollie then trapping and interrogating Scratch about Molly, Scratch explains his reasons which leaves Ollie starting to understand a bit, even protecting Scratch himself from his sister before she could kill him, and once June leaves, Molly finds Ollie interrogating Scratch and then ends up with both Molly and Ollie arguing about their views on ghosts, with Molly calling Ollie out leading to him feeling puzzled, he then says he was told ghosts were evil his whole life, and obviously as a kid, you choose to belive those things, but after a frightmare attack, Molly and Ollie accept both truths, that ghosts aren't evil, but also aren't always good, now onto "Unhaunting of Brighton Video", Ollie feels guilty after reconciling with Molly and Scratch and assuming all ghosts were bad, so after joining the ghost friends, he tries his hardest to make up for that only for Scratch to treat him like an outcast while Molly tried to comfort him lovingly a couple of times, so after they meet Blair and learning that she has unfinished buisness of her own, Ollie defends her and says she shouldn't talk about the things she feels bad about if she doesn't want to (obviously projecting his own guilt onto her), and after Molly shows concern for his feelings, he then confesses to Molly and feels a lot better doing so, and from there their relationship keeps slowly progressing as a more platonic one, though that's not to say there isn't a chance they won't get back together
I'm also like 100% sure you already know a few things I mentioned, but I guess you can consider this a more in-depth explanation?
Molly having to choose between Ollie or Scratch doesn't "weaken" her character; if anything it gives her a genuine internal conflict, and allows her to make "bad" decisions. I'm getting sick of shows being too afraid to give their characters enough agency to do bad things or be at fault.
It's a big problem I have with the Owl House, since you bring Amity and Luz up as the better couple; Amity is only a bad person at the start because of what someone else told her to do (her mother), not because of something she fully chose to do herself. Luz has this massive conflict about helping the bad guy, acting as if she's solely the guilty one, but he tricked her; it wasn't as strong for me cuz it wasn't a direct result of her will.
Molly choosing Ollie over Scratch could result in Scratch being seriously hurt. Is it selfish? Yes. Is it way more interesting because she makes that active choice herself? Hell yeah. It's more powerful too when she realises the error of her ways, because they're hers, no some third party manipulating her.
I can understand if this season is not your cup of tea, but I think you're stretching the definition of ruined. Personally I think this season is pretty good so far. Ollie is pretty bland, I agree with you there, but we have such a good cast of other side characters that I don't mind him just being there to further Molly's character as a bit of a tool lol.
Also, Lord Doom felt more like a homage to Lord Hater, rather than borrowing or stealing from Wander Over Yonder (RIP).
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates this romance between Molly and Ollie. I literally love everything else about season 2, except anything with Ollie in it. I recall watching a recent episode where the episode wasn't even about Ollie or even had him as the main focus, but his presence still lowered the quality of the episode for me (I still enjoyed it though). This is all giving me flashback's to Daria, a very good show that, for no reason, added a love interest and ruined a lot of the show until the end.
They didn't even focus that much on the romance.
Can you explain why Molly having a love interest “ruins the show”?
@@mr.punkie5872 It doesn't. It's the way Ollie was inserted into the show and his overall character that I don't like.
@@MarxistMomentumumm what?
@@MarxistMomentum He was inserted as a normal teenage boy character. Regarding his personality, it's fair to want him to be more “complex” or deep but I disagree with him being an exact copy of Molly. They're different in multiple aspects.
Idk man I've really been enjoying season 2 i think its great plus there have been plenty of shows with a worst season then this
I really hate that some people hate a simple boy/girl romance because I think it’s really important and I don’t want boys to hate girls or girls to hate boys!!!!
Not every couple has to be LGBT.
@@akilelawless8460 louder please. The people in the back needs to hear
@@akilelawless8460I'll do you one better. "Not every show has to be like The Owl House."
@@detectivemememachin5011We need to say it *Louder* , “NOT every character has to be Non-Straight.”
Alpha jay with this video is being an alpha jerk to Ollie!! Judging before actually knowing him!!
calling ollie boring is like saying you think molly is boring. hes very similar to her personality wise so whatever you can like about molly, you can like about ollie too. also the interactions they have are really sweet, they connect very organically with shared desires and interests. what is wrong with this? olie doesnt need to be a foil to be interesting
I like rice but if I suddenly have to start eating twice the rice I usually have I would start getting tired of rice.
@@GamerTowerDX depends on how much you like eating rice, cause if its your fav meal (or character) twice as much is twice as good. and I for one dont mind doubling down on my fav meal on the menu (fav character of the show)
how about you watch the video before commenting this
Alpha Jay think you can talk about the new Disney show, Hailey's On It? You'll love it
While I don't like the Mollie ship and am disappointed that it's canon now even though I knew it was coming from a mile away, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it ruined the entire show because it didn't. The Chens are interesting antagonists and Ollie and June are sweet and cool characters. I especially enjoy Molly and Ollie's friendship dynamic even if I don't ship it romantically.
Okay no, no, no, HELL no, comparing TGAMM season 2 to FOP season 10 is BS, just INFINITE nos. Bad enough your video is FORTY THREE minutes long, and about a TV season THAT ISN'T OVER YET!
Exactly. I get it's his opinion but comparing this show to past shows is not necessary. The later seasons of FOP were absolutely trash. I bet if Molibby or Mollandrea become canon, he'll make a 2 hour video praising it.
This video was hard to get through. I heard him out but man....
@@darwinbowman8512 Agreed.
@@akilelawless8460 and you can't compare season 10 of a show well passed its prime to a second season of a show that's not finished. Every single episode of season 2 of molly mcgee even the weaker ones are more entertaining and watchable than the entirety of season 10 of the fairly oddparents
@@darwinbowman8512 Exactly. I don't get why he decided to compare that to TGAMM.
Romance being added to tv shows that weren't originally about it can be a disaster most of the time, but outstanding when it's handled well.
Never seen someone overthink a Disney cartoon like this, it’s an episodic slice of life show, it’s good enough.
Literally this. I see the issue with ollie but it ain't as deep as he's making it. It's not like amphibia or the owl house.
@@darwinbowman8512I like Ollie fine. His redemption arc is cute.
Yeah, everyone wants a Gravity Falls out of episodic shows it’s not fair
@imtheR3LER0feveryth1ng fr. Like people saying Kiff is bad because it’s a comedic, slice of life show. Do those people forget it’s a kids show?
@imtheR3LER0feveryth1ng Finally someone is saying it lol, and I'd even say the people twerking for every story driven show are worse than the 90s kids that get mad when someone starts mentioning shows made after 2003. It's one thing to back the shows you grew up with but wanting a network to be one-dimensional just ain't it imo.
If episodic shows like Gumball, We Bare Bears, Craig of the Creek and Regular Show were airing on Disney and not CN, then instead of talking about a CN Renaissance it would be all about how Disney has dominated the past 13 years
how to at least KINDA fix ollie’s motivations:
maybe a ghost killed someone he was close to or liked a lot (but if that’s too dark for a kids show, maybe the ghost could have ruined that person’s life, or even ruined OLLIE’s life in somewhat)? that could make his bias against ghosts more clear, and make a lot more sense on why he’s so diligent in his hating of ghosts. and he could kind of be stuck between wanting to get revenge against ghosts for what happened, or want to let it go for the sake of not only molly but his own personal growth + letting go of the past. and that would be a lot more interesting to watch.
@@szweetsztuff I mean, they kinda did that in the finale with the dad
You should still keep watching molly mcgee all the way through because Ollie can still be developed don't let this change you opinion of the show pleaaaaassseee.
Ollie's kind of a boring character due to how much in common he has with Molly, but at the same time he's pretty inoffensive as far as love interests go. I don't think there's much basis for saying he ruined the show...
Ngl havent seen this show much really but when I saw art of Molly and Ollie I thought Ollie was her brother lmao.
BRO I THOUGHT HE WAS HER COUSIN!!
Lmao understandable
“I’ll show you what the series could’ve been” *insert Reese’s ad*
All I want to say here is I appreciate your input on Andrea Davenport, she's my favorite character on the show.
“Tied me to my past” that sounds so familiar 😭
43 minutes of a guy wining about a character just for existing and comparing it to owl house with is a show that was really ruined by romance,. that is pretty sad
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The Owl House being ruined by relationship??? How exactly?? The whole show didn't base around romance relationships. Characters had development archs with and without being in a relationship
You know what, I honestly don't mind the romance. Besides, TGAMM has better chances to work with it compared to Star vs. and Miraculous Ladybug. You guys (specifically 90% of the comment trend) are only complaining because deep down, you want the protag to be either LGBT or Aromantic altogether. Pick a lane.
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Let me stop you there! Ok before anything else this is just another opinion and I respect yours BUT- I agree with @SunnylandProds on this one and Ollie DOES infact have an interesting...semi-interesting character after Mollie's rose-filtered view comes off. In "the Unhaunting of Brighton Video" and briefly in "Lets Play Turnipball!" We see that Ollie is insecure and doubtful and if you ask me he was so used to others making decisions for him that after he learned perhaps those decisions were not so right afterall he's so lost and doesn't know what to do anymore. Though I do agree that some episodes could've been better like "Lets Play Turnipball!" But not with removing Ollie rather adding to him. In the episode we just jump straight to Molly jumping around pumping everyone about how good of a sport Ollie is when we never got what led up to that moment. Perhaps the episode could've started with Ollie being curious about the sport or maybe more interesting that he wanted to do something for his city like winning them an award or something and that led up to Molly coaching him and discovering his talents at the game, Thus leading to her getting hopeful and getting everyone else's hopes up.
Also you say there are other interesting characters in the show who WE HAVE KNOWN SINCE THE FIRST SEASON which would mean more screen time hence we get to know them better and you say Ollie isn't interesting when you haven't given him a shot to show us what he's got. Honestly when I first met Libby in the first episode to say that I despised her would be an understatement yet she managed to make her way into my heart as the show progressed and I almost forgot how offensive I thought of her first interaction with poor Molly when she refused to even shake Molly's hand because she thought she was finally getting on Andrea's good side and what a stupid people pleaser I thought of her to be but nope that whole thought crumbled on my head.
Me and my friends still love watching the show. Didn't ruin anything for us at all.
Maybe you have a personal issue with romance? Idk
The show feels like Master Shake's purgatory.
couldn’t agree more! if we don’t get a season 3, idk how this season can be fully redeemed.
idk i dont like olliver's design he looks like they are siblings and it feels weird
Regular Show did a good episode about creative block where Mordecai has to paint a portrait for Benson.
Now that you mention it Oliver is underdeveloped the only people he interacts with are Molly and Scratch and in my opinion, he suffers from the same problem Millie does from helluva boss
I think the romance between them is great