A Gander at the Gannet (Fairey Gannet AEW.3) at Pima Air and Space Museum
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- it’s a handsome beastie… in… you know, its own way. I will not apologize for my taste in aircraft and neither should you 😂
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This is a good move on Sophie's part, since many of us are interested in both armor AND aircraft. 👍🏅
The Gannet has always been one of my favorites. I have a soft spot for odd looking ugly planes that just do their job really well.
So much packed into a single machine. Twin engine, carrier-tough, all weather, etc. I love me F-22, but gannet IS a marvel of its time.
The twin fold wings are cute.
@@malalexander3515 Let's put a bow on it!
Good video Sofi: I like the way you let the experts talk themselves rather than "interpreting" it and thereby introducing a source of error (Chinese Whispers and all that).
Some extra points about the Gannet :
1. The choice of co-axial props was mainly due to it being the most compact arrangement for a twin-engined aircraft, however another huge side benefit was that it eliminated asymetric thrust in the event of an engine failure. Powerful conventional twin-engined aircraft are hard enough to handle trying to land them on runways: trying to do it on a pitching, rolling carrier deck that might need last-minute corrections is a nightmare.
2. The reason for the double-fold wing was that all British post-war carriers had been designed and built (or at least laid down) during WWII and so had hangars sized for WWII aircraft. Because it was Royal Navy policy to have armoured hangars and flight decks, and in some cases double-deck hangars, the individual hangars were kept as low as possible to minimise topweight. The rapid growth in the size of aircraft post-WWII made this a thorny problem and some later, "lower-mileage" carriers were actually retired earlier than older ones due to thier particularly low hangars. Why not just rebuild them? Well the armour made this a much more expensive and complicated job than it would have been had the armour been at hangar deck level (as in US carriers) than at flight deck level, because the armour was also a load-bearing component of the ship's structure. It was tried on one carrier (HMS Victorious) but that project turned into a long-drawn-out, over-budget, over-timescale nightmare, and although the resultant ship was decent enough, the experience put the RN and the UK goverment off the idea of carrier rebuilds forever. Brand new carriers were planned in the 1960s, but then changing government policy and sheer lack of money saw them cancelled in 1966.
3. The extra fins on the tailplanes were added late in the development of the ASW version (which came first) due to the addition of a third crew member and a bigger radar. The ASW version was originally supposed to have two crew in tandem up front and a small radar under the rear fuselage. However it was then found that a third crew member was needed to handle the workload and a bigger radar, in a retractable "dustbin" radome, was specified. The third crewman's canopy and the bigger radome (when extended) increased side area and thus decreased yaw stability. On a land plane you'd just increase the fin area to compensate, but on a carrier aircraft, particularly one that needed to fit in the low hangars with which British airccraft carrier were cursed, that wasn't an option, hance the addition of the extra fins instead.
Would love to see the insides (cockpit/crew positions) of some of these aircraft if possible.
Nice. First vid in the new series. Gannet seems an odd start, but it's a cool bird and I'm looking forward to the series.
Literally
I enjoyed this. Thanks.
This man knows his job. Ive visited certain air museums and the management don't know their backsides from their elbows but this chap is very knowledgeable.
There are some remarkable aircraft designed for the Royal Navy. Some good, some not so good. My favourites are the Swordfish and the Buccaneer.
I'd add the Sea Fury.
Two thumbs up Sofi! A warning though, if you spend too much time around the airplanes you might start thinking “target, land, slow moving” when you see a tank! You’ll know then it is time to step back😎
i love the obscure aircraft that support and help the fighter and attack aircraft do their job! great video! it's been 40+ years since i visited pima. watching these videos has put visiting back on the top of the bucket list. thanks for the great work!
Obscure aircraft?
I've lived and born and raised in Arizona. Phoenix Glendale. Wanted to go down there but as she said it's so hard to choose you can't see it all and everybody's interests are different so but it's good to make a list in advance. At least I would think and I haven't been there yet. I like the Navy stuff. This ganet is intriguing.
My uncle was in the Navy and worked on them. He later moved to the States. He passed a few years go. There is one at Duxford in the UK and one of my favourite memories is being there as a boy with him telling me about it, the counter rotating turbo prop & the double engines. Miss you Uncle Bill...Rich ❤
Great channel! Was a nice surprise, featuring a Gannet. I remember seeing a AEW Gannet as a gate guard at Royal Naval Air Station Prestwick AKA HMS Gannet, adjacent to Prestwick International Airport on the south west coast of Scotland. Was also a USAF C-5 Galaxy on HMS Gannet apron at the time.
German Navy had a Gannet on gate guard duties at NAS Nordholz, at least in the 1980s. And a Seahawk, I think.
@@aj-2savage896
It's a pity they didn't
purchase the Buccaneer too
There is a story that a US pilot saw it with a stopped prop and couldn't understand why it was still flying.
A plane only a mother plane could love. The Avro shackleton on the other hand is beautiful, and there's is even more beautiful would love to see it!
Keep heading north and go to Oregon. The Evergreen Aviation and Space Museum, at McMinnville. It's got WW2, WW1, and Space exhibits; the Spruce Goose, SR-71, two huge pavillions. You'll love it. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Thumbs up ! Nice to see a forgotten aircraft that's not usually covered-great start to the series.
Thank you! I want to be sure the content adds something to the great selection of videos available on TH-cam- even if it does cover favorites. But I love to give the ones less discussed a closer look. Maybe it isn’t going to be loved by the algorithm if it’s less popular but for those of us who want a broader understanding or just who dig the ‘underdogs’ of a sort, the ‘less loved’ at least by the broader numbers will have a place on my list to be featured if I can.
@@Sofilein And that's exactly why I subscribed to your channel being an aircraft and tank enthusiast. My father was in the USAF from '52 to '74 and
served in Vietnam so I have been exposed to aircraft since I was a child. I
also served as a weapons loader on F-16s,F-15s.and F-4 Phantoms, as well
as F-106s. Congratulations on a great start to the channel.
Not so much forgotten ATM. The Gannet gained a lot of attention when Airfix released their 1:48 plastic model last year.
She is a rare beauty! thanks for showing her to us 😊😊 B-58, PBY, B-52
Great first episode , so Sofilein to choose the Gannet . Lovely aircraft , we would have lost fewer sailors in the Falklands if these had been around to provide early warning . Funny watching them fold their wings , they are so ungainly . Well loved by FAA crews and ground crews .
Scott is a very knowledgable man and it was nice to listen to him. I am hoping you can do videos on the Shackelton which also has contra rotating propellers and also the Bristol Bolingbroke and the EE Lightning.Sorry my choices are UK biased 😆
Went to Pima when I was a teenager with my dad and uncle. That was 30 years ago. My uncle was a retired air force colonel who flew b17s in ww2 and many other bombers after, the b36, b47 b52. I got to listen to his stories on the way to the museum, then get my mind blown when I get there. One of the best memories I have.
Pima is amazing! I was blown away by just how GIGANTIC the B-36 was, that is one big boy.
I love this aircraft and I really love this paint scheme - on Gannets and or other RN/RAN aircraft of the period.
I looked the place up after the last video...that place is awesome and so many different aircraft! Has to be a cool place to hangout and walk around!!
Always looked like function over form was the design objective. I agree, so ugly that it is attractive.
The word is Fugly
One of the best looking aircraft out there. Pure function can be a beautiful thing.
I visited RNAS Culdrose as a cadet in 1969 during our summer camp at Penhale in Cornwall- I can recall seeing Hawker Sea Hawks there- probably in store awaiting disposal. A few years earlier, where I lived, Gannets regularly flew over our house, while as a small boy in 1961, another Fairey flying machine- a truly remarkable one- the Rotodyne flew over- which was really exciting. A very good talk by a clearly highly knowledgeable expert who kept us fully engaged.
I can see the attraction to the fairy, it looks like something designed on a Friday afternoon after a liquid lunch😊all the best from sunny Troon Scotland
They were based up in Lossie
back in the day
Man I LOVE the way that plane looks
Wart and all ;)
That’s a great museum. They have one of every aircraft that has ever been at Davis Monthan AFB next door. If you get a chance to tour that place you should. It’s just as amazing as The Pima Air Museum. Thanks for sharing.
Perhaps my favorite air museum. Love how they just let you walk around and right up to and even under the aircraft. If you go, be respectful of the aircraft so that never changes.
Been to Pima air and space maybe 6-7 times in the last couple years lol. They’re adding a ground vehicles portion too. And they got that t72 parked out front
For a person who loves the Swedish Flat iron this was a natural choice for you. Interesting video. Geek Mode: 07:30 on you can see a wedge shaped piece on the wing leading edge, the Gannet had a nasty left wing stall that was rather 'awkward' especially flying the curved approach to a British carrier (to keep the landing officer station in sight). Adding that piece meant both wings stalled together which, while not nice, was a lot easier to recover from. The B-29(?) with jet engines looks interesting...
The 'B-29' with jet engines is a B-50.
A rare plane, thx Sophie and Scott!
I spent some time with those when I was in VA-42. We hosted them and Buccaneers off the Ark Royal.
CrossDecking must have been fascinating but a little hairy for the US pilots used to much larger ships
@@stephenchappell7512 No Naval Avaitors flew any of the aircraft that visited so no deck worries.
The Gannet always has a place in my heart, in High School I could look out and see a Gannet parked up in the College next door to my school. The College had a lot of students on day release from the local aircraft factory/airport.
Awesome new content Sofilein 🤩✈️🛩️🚁💺
Congratulations on this new direction 👍🏻👍🏻
See you & more of your content soon 🫡
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Hi Sofi. It's great that your branching out into looking at Aircraft as well as Tanks/AFV's....especially as I love both also.
I was actually in the US for 8 weeks back in Dec 2014 to Jan 2015. I visited many of the Aircraft & Military Vehicles museums within the US during those 8 weeks as I made my way across the country. & Yes I spent a number of hours at the Pima Air & Space Museum, looking around their outside open area where the Gannet is as well as their inside exhibits. Like you, I could have spent days there looking around, but I was with a large family group & sadly they don't share my passion (they would say "obsession") with Aircraft & AFV's. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
more into planes than tanks but still a fan!!! thanks for this series sofi!!!
I appreciate the patience and interest even if tanks are more of your thing and that’s what ya subbed for. More tanks are definitely on the way 🤗
@@Sofilein I'd love for you to include a video in this series on the SR-71A at pima. that particular aircraft was loaned to NASA for a time until it was returned to the airforce and last flew in 1978. The 951 is one of the variants I havent personally been able to visit sadly enough.
Land armor and air power is like bread and butter... and the little infantry are the grains of salt making everything better 😂 .
Oh, Pima is cool. Yeah!
Great video, nice to see you start with such an unlikely aircraft. It's a great example of form following function.
English Electric Lightning | Boeing YC14 | Piper Enforcer | North American OV-10D 😊👍
Lots of nice aircraft to visit Sofi. Good for you. I have to once again visit the Reinbeck Aerodrome in Reinbeck NY. All WW1 and very old civilian aircraft. A Huge wonderful spectical watching them fly again. Have you ever been there its a real treat. My father knew the original founder.
Already commented, but I want to also say this was a great video! As a lifelong Avgeek this definitely scratched the itch! Thank you!! Also, any interior shots we can get of these birds would be much appreciated! Keep up the good work! (And I enjoy the tank content as well)
I am amazed at a coincidence this trip to Tucson, and the Pima Air Museum. I found your website during my search for WW2 Tank Destroyers. My father was a tank destroyer, (M-18), commander during the war and was involved in many battles in the Hellcat. Your site is very informative to a tank fan. Then suddenly you are in Tucson. My Military career kept me there for my assignment as a Titan 2 Missile Combat Crew member in the 571st SMS. The Missile Museum there was a site I had pulled occasional "ALERTS" at. But the Pima Air Museum has been on my mind due to my career at NASA Armstrong on the SOFIA aircraft. It is now at Pima Air Museum. I started on SOFIA in 2007 on the day that NASA first cancelled the program, until the 2016 deployment to Christchurch New Zealand. On SOFIA I was the Avionics/ Instrumentation lead and eventually was a Flight Operations engineer. I know everything about that 747SP and the Telescope installation. Keep up the good work! You site is very good!
One of my favorite cold war unsung heroes. I will raise a cold one to every warbird on this new series. I plan on visiting the museum midsummer. Have fun Sofi.
Be pretty cool to see it fly again. I never seen this type of plane before. Thanks for showing us.
Armour museum being built across the highway from Pima. B58, F14, B36, A10, SR71, F117, B57, B47, F101, F111, A5... So many more deserving air frames,,, Thanks Sofi.
The B58 is such a sexy plane. My vote for it. And being a former AH-1F crew chief I vote that one in. 🙂
Are you saying there are more that deserve it, or there are those that deserve it more?
I used to work at the trucking company across the street. From about 6am to 8am, depends on the day, you can watch A-10's taking off and a lot of times doing touch and go's. On the rare occasion F-16's will use their runway. Also, you should do a video on the Supper Guppy. I know it's a transport craft but it's just so unique. Or on the B-39 or B-47. Both are great looking aircraft that have been overshadowed by the B-52.
Interesting stuff :) The "Gannet" is certainly a... unique looking aircraft 😂
Cheers for making your videos, Sofi :)
Love the videos keep them coming Beautiful! 🤘🖤🔥
I wasn't aware that there was a Gannet here in the 'States so thank you very much Scott and Sofi for this look at this unique bird. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," and that is very true with the Gannet. This is a wonderful old bird.
As for what to ask you to look into next ... there are so many historic and unique aircraft, both fixed and rotary wing in the collection I wouldn't know where to begin.
Great video aerospace logistics (royal air force) then contracting was my career until the airports closed in 2020. I miss that adventure.
Great look at this rare, awkward but important aircraft
"It's so ugly it circles back around" - Perfect!
Excellent start to the series Sofilein! Opening up for a peak inside would be nice, but other considerations apply, so add photographs the museum has and they don't have to be original just a good representation of crew quarters. As for the bucket list, anything that is ancient, odd and/or rare. Cheers 🤠
Excellent first one out of the gate! You did a fabulous job but I'm not at all surprised. You always keep it top notch. We all need to hear the history of aircraft, especially those which even though might not be aesthetically appealing does solid and often superior work. The Gannet is one for sure.
Well done, Sofi!
Another very interesting video from the area of American aircraft development between 1950 and 1967. Thank you again and keep it up. Well done.
If you get the chance, National Museum of the Air Force is in Dayton, Ohio at Wright-Pat. Gigantic collection. 4 hangers large enough to make a B-52 look small.
Excellent first choice. I would choose the Bede BD/5J, the Beechcraft Starship, Boeing 747 SP, Hawker Kestrel. This list is sorely inadequately incomplete for me; however my primary choice is the Kestrel.
I like oddball aircraft. We've seen all of the normal ones in movies and such over the years.
I served on 849D Flight on HMS Eagle in 1966 during the exercise Highland Wedding after which we were supposed to go to the United States. Unfortunately the ship developed some engine problem and we returned to Plymouth. I finally made it "over the pond" on HMS Ark Royal in 1978 as a member of the SAR flight but with the trusty Gannets still operational. We did lose one to a deck landing accident when it struck the jumbo crane during recovery in very bad weather but no-one was injured and the airframe was eventually craned off in Gibraltar and taken to North Front to be used by the fire crews there for their exercises.
Saw the Gannet when she was at NEAM in Ct.. Always thought it was a neat looking aircraft.
Was given to NEAM by Hamilton Standard. They bought her for propeller resonance testing.
I love the Gannet! I was lucky enough to visit the Pima Air and Space Museum (I'm a Brit) on a few occasions, and it was great to see one of my favourite aircraft there.
We had these on HMS Hermes aircraft carrier in 1967 to 1970. Two were AEW craft as the one here and we had one for mail delivery in coastal waters. Fond memories!
Her last commission as a conventional carrier I do believe
A very rare bird if they have it would be the Goblin. It was designed to hang below a bomber and drop off defend the "mothership" and then reconnect when the danger had passed.
Ah yes, I remember the Dokumentation John Wayne did on the sowjet copy of it ;)
Suggestions: CH-37, B-58, and B-52 #003
CH-37 Mojave is an early Large helicopter that is a hidden jem.
B-58 Hustler is a Supersonic bomber that looks fast.
B-52 #003 may be the oldest surviving B-52 and was used in the X-15 program. It was recently repainted.
I second doing the Mojave
This woman should contact this project. A serious starring role awaits. Her talent is sidelined in this series. But her power is stunning.
Brilliant infomation. Truly remarkable knowledge. Ill look forward to seeing more in the future. Thanks
I appreciate that you always get out of the way of your guests. It seems like a mark of confidence on your part that you feel like you can do that and still make the video "yours." Great job!
Thanks Sofi 🙏🙏, a great start, I can see why the Gannet appeals to you! Anything less 'conventional' is interesting!
Lived near White Waltham aerodrome from 1957 to 67. Fairey Aviation were testing these Gannets there, so they flew pretty low on finals to land. Noisy, but not so much as the Fairey Rotodyne which also flew from time to time! Interesting times as a youngster.
I find it cool that the aircraft looks like a WW2 fighter with the canopy sat on top, yet the fuselage is so large that it can fit some guys inside the tail boom.
Absolutely amazing! Thank you for picking such a wierdly attractive looking plane.
There are two Dash 7's being restored towards the rear of the facility that have some interesting stories.
Tanks, model making, now aircraft...I'm checking out all your content. And, that is not even a silly pun!!
I worked in the Fleet Air Arm Museum in the late ‘90s. The Gannet there was an AEW too.
I highly recommend you visit the FAAM when in Blighty.
They have a Concorde too as well a cornucopia of excellent warbirds of the sea faring variety.
I’d love to see that!
Great video @Sofilein , suggestion Douglas Skyraider 👍👍🖖🙏
Great airplane, double Mamba twin engine. It has a big smile on it too! Been to that museum with my brother. They have a Shackleton too!
I love how they look when wings are folded like eight times if I remember 😂!
I visit Pima Air and Space every chance I get, probably been there 20+ times. This is one of my favorite "goofy" planes they have, hope she gets some love soon as she is getting pretty tattered.
Good choice! I enjoyed this tremendously. Thank you!
Great video thanks Sophie! Would love to see one on the Shakleton, my Dad used to work on them in the 60's in RAF Aldergrove, plus their history as the next generation on from the Lancaster is fascinating.
Thank you Sofi
I really enjoyed this ; I think you’ll just have to work your way through all of them over time
Thank you
Stuart in Ireland ☘️❤️
It will be a challenge but I’ll try
My very good friend's Uncle did the best design concept which was taken up by his bosses at Fairey.
The team then went ahead and filled in all of the bits that made it what it is.....
A very bright man who worked with a fantastic team...🎉
Always fascinated by FAA aircraft....Gannet, Sea Hawk, Westland Wyvern, even the Short Seamew!! Excellent commentary.
YC-125 Raider!!
I you love the Gannet, you will LOVE the even **stranger** YC-125!
Extremely rare for American aviation for a 3 motor aircraft, only 23 were ever built, served for a short time in USAF, only 2 left in existence.
The cavernous cargo hold could carry just about any army vehicles expect tanks, and still land on a very short runway using enormous flaps, a technique that was not used for military transport again until the C-17. The Raider was ahead of its time.
Second choice is the Budd RB Conestoga, while not much of it exists, it is very unique for being built completely from **stainless steel**!
Pima is one of the top 5 museums in the world, you cant go wrong showcasing anything there.
Two engines with one shaft prop drives. It was a design that was 100% function over form. It worked and worked well.
Good video on a very unusual aircraft. Visited the museum this winter and its one of the best in the country. Keep up the good work.
I've always loved the Gannet. It's so ugly you have to love it. Thanks for bringing this to us.
I worked on one of these in the early 90s where it had been purchased and we were trying to get it into a serviceable state to allow it to start the engines and taxi down the runway and unfold and fold the wings. We even found a reconditioned double mambo and gearbox set with only 10 hours of use. Other than it been a fixed wing aircraft compared to my rotary one the biggest thing i remember is the weight of the two massive batteries housed in the compartment below the radar operations position, and the small hatch.
Oh man these are so insightful! Looking through the list, a few that caught my eye: Super Guppy, BD-5J Microjet, GYRODYNE YRON-1 ROTORCYCLE, Pentecost E-III Hoppicopter and Gyrodyne DSN-3
Comment for the algorithm. Always glad to see new Sofilein content.
When I saw that you were a Woman on YT reviewing Miltech, I liked in a fraction of a second and subbed! I love your channel! This is awesome!
love it, enjoy your time in Tucson.
And give us more.
Great aircraft choice! Everybody knows everything about mustangs and spitfires, but I find those ugly ducklings much more fascinating.
Love these odd aircraft you never hear about but did an important job! A plane Id like to see? What about another workhorse, the C-130?
Fairey Gannet.
Queen of the Skies!
Bloody good kite actually.
Pip pip
As you were.
Carry on.
That dual counter-rotating engine & propellor arrangement must have been a nightmare to maintain.
So much bigger than I expected!
Sophie You really do a great job on all your videoes! You really should write a book with pictures of all your discoveries & there locations. Keep up the great work!
Great vid on the Gannet, if you ever come to Northern Ireland, visit the Ulster Aviation Society to see their ASW Gannet undergoing restoration. Have been to Pima 4 times now from the UK, will definitely go back again, it's a fantastic facility 🇬🇧✈️🚁
Wonderful! Thank you!❤
This is excellent content as usual.
One of the scale models I built as a teenager many years ago. I really liked this ugly duckling. Greetings from Australia .