The poor quality of our politicians, particularly labkur, is as a result of our having been infanatalised within the EU. We now seem to be in the turmoil early teens the early teens. When we become adults the likes of the great Robin Cook might return rather than a woke social worker mentality. It is difficult to believe that you are afraid of bearing resonsibility.
What a positive and hopeful piece. An actual thoughtful plan on how to repair the Brexit damage rather than throwing cheap plastic bandages at the problem, and both the EU and US investing immensely in green energy and giving our descendants a chance, rather than consigning them to futile struggle and horrific suffering.
Whilst a positive I can't see how this is going to replace tariff and barrier free trade. How for example will it help touring musicians lives easier? No more carnets?
Reminds me of that scene in _The Italian Job_ where the crooks are stuck in traffic after the game - that England won, and everyone has glum face.. and the line "Well look happy you stupid b'stards! We won didn't we?" gets uttered. Every essence of that scene; Brexiters to a tee.....
There is one thing about re-joining that the British do not seem to understand at the moment. As long as UK was a part of EU, they were always vetoing and voting against all EU integration and cohesion. France, Germany, Italy and Spain are the pro-integration mainstream. No one wants the return of the old UK, the one that had the best deal in the Union and used all their influence to keep the EU diffuse for their own benefit. If UK ever wants to re-join, there is zero chance of getting their old position back, in particular if their intention is to be anti-integration once more.
Our old position was only ever temporary, in the end every member state would have to join schengen & eurozone, how else would a united states of europe work, it was a slow creep process so we chose to escape beforehand.
I think you should realise that there probably won't be any 'return' to the SM, CU or EU for 10-20 years. No-one in the EU wants the disruptive influence back. Which takes us to the fact that Scotland will have left the disUnited Kingdom by that time. It is even possible that Ireland will have reunified. What may seek admission will be England. I can't speak for Wales. But Plaid Cymru membership has quintupled since brexit.
Britain was never a commited member of the community. It was happy to use the sunbeds and the Jacuzzi, but was never interested in the treadmill or lifting the weights.
Never been that struck on Starmer but I like some of your points here. Billy Connolly once said ‘The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one’
That just sounded refreshing from the circus we have in government now. Seems like a plan is being put in place in the background, gain the trust back from the EU, improve relations. Get labour in power, while the circus acts get their TV shows (see Nadine dorries and JRM) to criticise from outside government. We at the moment have a rudderless ship while the big trading blocks are putting into place future energy solutions.
@@TheGava4 I didn't say about rejoining the single market, I was saying about improving relations as what was being said in the video by Marr. It's a better plan than what we have now, as in no plan, and trying to appease the ERG nutjobs. A new government under Labour will set us on course for better relations and trade agreements, the queuing lorries is just an utter waste of productivity, there should be some easy wins to get the trade flowing better.
" future energy solutions." you mean Germany reopening Coal Plants, panicking because it's whole industrial base is now under threat, the US stopping being self sufficient and having to import Oil and Gas from the Middle East, yep they should like they know what they are doing
@@keithjohnpaul86 we wouldn't have had it had we remained... Now it's part of the terms of rejoining. Brexit is the biggest mistake the UK has ever taken in peacetime
@@keithjohnpaul86 If you are as old as you say you are you won't have many more votes on the issue. We will align more closely and eventually probably re-join. And there will be nothing that you can do about it.
I think there will be a re positioning of uk and eu relations. Many kids born and raised in the uk will have eu citizenship too. My daughter being one of them. She is british and Polish and has just had her polish citizenship acknowledge. They are the ones that will create closer ties and legislation.
@@toyotaprius79 Remember corbyn has this effect on seemingly normal people to turn them into rabid morons without a shred of critical thinking. To them he’s a sub tier human. Guy offered real change but we can’t have that we have to have a champagne drinking sell out at davos who won’t change anything for the good of the people when he’s in power. They’ll just rebuke with something something grossly exxagerrated anti semitism something something he shook hands with the IRA.
@@toyotaprius79 I mean Starmers planned mandates and polices are different to Corbyn's. So there is no connection between someone feeling like their might be some hope with Starmers current views, with not voting for Corbyn.
True. But we're a long way away from getting back there. Labour need to be doing what they're doing. Get us back in the good books with the EU and the world, rebuild the trust and respect that the Tories shat out, and then, in a few years time, make the case again.
This is what I’ve seen in him for a while now, I think he could be a transformative leader for the UK. It is precisely because he isn’t a “political personality” and his background that makes me feel that way. The combination with Rachel Reeves seems formidable.
A Doer rather than a clown act or rank amateur actors with either little power or insight to effect necessary changes. Wait till place holders are changed post next April and next GE. God it cant come fast enough. Hopefully the patient and economy will still be alive by then and not terminal !
It seems the plan was Starmer is the straight man, serious and mean, while Angela Rayner is the firebrand, speaking truth to power and ragging the Tories like a fighting dog with it's favourite toy. This hasn't worked because main stream media just ignore Labour except to slander and smaller commentators have been frustrated by Starmer's stoic nature in the face of blatant corruption and lies. The utter failure to stand by unions has not helped either. The Right doesn't care and will call him a lefty regardless and union members will not forget the betrayal.
"I'm sure that the EU will be more flexible with a labour government" Really? I don't think so. The UK wanted to be a competitor, took a gamble and lost. You don't help out competitors, that's not how things work!
You forget that Labour voted with the ERG to get rid of Theresa May's negotiatiated Withdrawal Agreement. Didn't make anyone in the EU trust Labour. A few months later, Parliament was sent on an unconstitutional holiday, which the judiciary had to correct. And then Labour voted for snap elections and the voters rewarded the culprits, the ERG-led Tories, with an 80-seats majority and the most anti-European and hostile London-government ever. Thanks, Labour!
Think he (Kier) prefers Davos simply on the basis that it is a forum where solutions are worked out and plans made for the future, while Westminister is a circus where all he can do is point out how the PM is incompetent and nothing will change as long as the PM has the backing of his party.
Leaving didn't have to be a problem. The cowardice and ineptitude of the major UK political parties in charting a course independent of the EU are causing problems.
I suggest remainers were afraid of growing up and wanted everyone else to make the decisions for us. We did not make any trade negotiations for 40 years. Were were excluded from any negotiations with Putin. So it went on and on.
pre-brexshit we were part of the team that decided how the rules were written in the first edition hardback rulebook but we listened to liars who didn't want to play the game and burnt all the copies we owned. Now we aspire to be an outsider taking photocopies of future rulebooks leant to us by the group we once we very close with, sticking it together with a bit of tape and desperately pretending that its better than it was before
Yes Russel, I think you are summing it up rather nicely. On top of it, we will only get EU agreement on those bits they want to let us join, while others, perhaps more profitable ones, will most likely not be as "dynamically" aligned.
You are exactly right. Although we have to think of this as the first step of a long journey back. Our neighbours need the specter of brexiteerism to recede before they can trust us,, which in practice means waiting for the power of the eu hating boomer vote to shrink due to natural demographics. This is stage one, next stage is full SM and CU, while the domestic reforms happen. Then hopefully..... we can come back to full membership when we have been rehabilitated.
How is this going to attract investment? Who, in their right mind, would invest in the UK when they have sure bets in Ireland, France, Germany, Bulgaria etc.? Sure, this is better than what the Conservatives are pedalling, but it is still avoiding reality.
but the electorate would never elect a labour gov. who wanted to rejoin outright. that is unfortunately the reality of the situation. hopefully this policy would be a step in the right direction
@@TheNotSoFakeNews In your opinion, that is the case. It is not a fact. Indeed, I would argue that if more politicians were honest about Brexit and the damage it is doing to the country politically and economically, that the support that remains for Brexit would decrease fairly quickly. Labour are in danger of taking ownership of Brexit, and that could come back to bite them two elections out.
A few years ago I heard someone, I think from the Institute for Government, say that, after Brexit, Britain would spend the next 10 years trying to get back some of the benefits it enjoyed being in the EU. Keir Starmer's ideas look like the start of that path.
@jmolofsson The 6th largest economy on the planet. An economy that will offer many opportunities to investors as it repairs the massive damage that Brexit and the Torys inflicted on the country.
@@jmolofsson What a moronic comment! The UK has the world 6th largest economy, 2 of the top 5 universities in the world & the second largest number of Nobel prizes, nuclear armed with a blue-water navy, an Alpha ++ city (1 of 2 in the world), home of the world's global language and global sport. One of the leading countries on AI and nuclear energy research.
I used to be British and European and now I'm neither. I'm Welsh and backing Welsh independence and Wales' application to join The EU. I never thought I'd be in this position.
You all live in a dream world, Wales independent, and how the hell would that work out? your struggling under a Labour run NHS as it is, do you think it will all be magic independence, your as bad as that idiot Sturgeon in Scotland, brainwashing the Scots into believing it would all be a bad of roses.
I'm English and I wish you good luck in both. Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic. The hypocrisy of the UK govt when it comes to "we can leave a union on a dodgy vote but you can't" reeks.
Got news for you. Welsh will be always at English tow. Welsh exists on paper only, a quirkiness in the English world. Zero chance of independence or joining Europe as an independent nation. ... But hope is good for soul.
@@bm8641 Ah, another anti-Welsh comment which will boost the case for independence even further. The "Wales doesn't exist" argument has been around for decades and is used by British and English nationalists when they try to suppress the Welsh identity; all it does is insult Wales and the Welsh and makes us even more determined to cast off the chains of English imperialism. If Scotland leaves the Union Wales will follow. Yes Cymru! Saor Alba!
No Brexit means Brexit. I voted not to leave but the 50+% who voted to leave should live through the pain of there decision it's a learning experience for everyone in Britain.
Um all brexit was about was leaving the EU as a member. That has happened and no one is talking about rejoining the EU as a member, so not sure what you are talking about.
Remember Project Fear and the millions parading the streets waving their silly flags on "Freedom Night" . Or the night that the British MEPs turned their backs to the EU flags when the EU anthem was played?That wont be forgotten for a long long time. If you ever get to re apply, you will be shown those videos.
The ATAD (Anti Tax Avoidance Directive)? I sometimes think there were only 3 of us who noticed this and jumped up and down and pointed at our British oligarchs for this. It fell on deaf ears. Don't get your hopes up.
Plus the aim of de-regulating everything. Allow everything to be bought, environmental standards to be dropped, protections for workers to be eradicated and so on.
Meaningless. The damage is done, the customers have found new suppliers, companies have left. They're not coming back any time soon. All this is fantasy and the only thing this might achieve is to slow the uk's managed decline. Labour needs to stop trying to appease tory voting pensioners and start negotiations to rejoin. SMEs like mine cannot carry on in this catastrophic brexit nightmare.
It sounds a lot like a Swiss style arrangement, which is surprising given that the EU seems to have little appetite for a repeat of that at least officially, but I am guess that in these times the Germans would rather like to have more trade and pull the UK closer and will try to influence the EU to go that way. But will the EU move in that direction then, Germany is a strong pole within the EU but not the only one and not in any sense in direct control. The UK would have to convince at few more players to get this across the goal line with an appearance of ease maybe getting the Netherlands and France on board as well which would make it an almost guaranteed success.
That's why it won't happen. Germany was probably just being diplomatic. And whatever Germany might want the EU as a whole isn't going to accept this plan ever. They've already clearly said so. No new Switzerland type deal will ever be made. As clear as that.
Yes indeed, this is Switzerland Mk 2, a series of piecemeal treaties which Brussels hates and is constantly trying to "streamline" with the Swiss. It also bypasses the Four Freedoms, so it's even more restrictive than Switzerland. I think what Starmer is experiencing is straightforward politeness, but things will get tough when he starts earnest negotiations. The real prize for Brussels is not Britain as an export market, but Britain as a big economy (if it still is in five years' time).
If you like the Swiss way of doing things than we leave nato and declare the UK a Neutral Country and the armed forces are reorganised along the lines of a 'Swiss Citizens Militia'. This also means more 'Direct Democracy' as a mechanism to replace the 'House of Lords' but legislated so that results are legally binding.
Absolutely f*cking ridiculous that we've come to the conclusion that we should follow closer to EU laws and regulations to make trading easier after years of wasting money on leaving the bloody EU and then the economy going down the pisser in the last couple of years. It doesn't even make me angry anymore, just sad, it's beyond belief that they've wasted so much time and money when it's clear we would have been in a better position now if we had of just stayed in the EU
I am so glad you call it the bloody EU. I would only say much worse in the privacy of my own home. Brexit is not a disaster. At the very least it is showing us what happens to a country dependent upon the Blair / Brown low wage migrant labour. If you are ready we can grow up from being infantile in the EU and grasp our own affairs.
So, you still not have control over the standards (actually lost any saying), but lost all the benefits. Lost humongous revenues from the financial sector. Added a ridiculous amount of bureaucracy. Lost a huge base of the much needed european young labor workforce. Nobody can convince me that there were genuine economic reasons for brexit!
It will take years to put right the damage caused by the corrupt Tories. If we can get PR we can banish the threat the Tories pose for good. One can but dream!
Yes, that’s right, let’s turn the UK into a one-party state! Russia, Cuba, China, N Korea - they’re all successful countries aren’t they? Well known for their fairness, their human rights records, their workers’ rights, etc, etc, etc. MORON!!!
You can dynamically align until the cows come home, but you still have no guarantee of the trade deals needed with the EU. Starmer is selling us the plan for the foundations, when we actually need a house built.
At last, someone with a plan! The UK has suffered from near-sightedness for far too long. All too often confusing an important stepping stone or milestone for the end goal. Brexit was particularly so. Leaving the EU was seen as the ultimate goal when those politicians that supported it should have been looking at it as an important step in a process of a much grander plan. There was no plan. We left the EU with hopes and dreams but very little reality. Brexit isn't the only UK example and unfortunately, won't be the last. If they did have a plan, Brexit may have been successful, although I personally fail to see how it would have been.
Making goods and services trade deals without free movement or EU contributions was always the leavers 'plan' . Remainers said it was impossible. The EU said it was impossible. Seems it's not 😉
@@marinusvos You may well be right. I think the EU would resist and Labour won't be able to achieve what they claim. But who knows.... they have a mainly goods only deal with Turkey that only covers a few sectors.
@anjonjp It's not that difficult to run an independent country outside the EU or any similar trading arrangement. Look at Canada. It is by no means in a lock-step economic and political union with any other country, certainly not the United States.
Like it or not, Davos is the place to be for world leaders and it’s very telling about the total failure of the UK government since Brexit that RS was not there.
Thank you Andrew. I hope you're right. I love that Keir and Rachel are out in the world getting known and being ambassadors for the UK. It makes me feel hopeful for a much brighter future and a bit emotional!
Just a shame that Rachel Reeves is using the nasty Tory rhetoric of demonising benefit claimants and that Starmer has shown, by his failure to contradict, that he agrees with Streeting's plan to extend NHS privatisation. That makes me emotional too - but probably not in the same way you are.
I doubt it will add up to much. EU will be more than happy to do a new deal with the UK if the EU can benefit from it - these new unilateral regulations will not help the EU increase its trade into the UK. The world knows that the UK government can change in the blink of an eye, so business investment won't grow because next week a new PM could be appointed who could scrap the regulations idea or any other cosying-up to the EU. More dangerously, Labour cannot now oppose the Tory flagship policy of Brexit. Brexit is causing massive economic damage - for which Labour could find itself jointly responsible in years to come.
Largely meeting the EU standards is already the default position. Pretending Keir is the reason it is happening shows he is positioning himself to take the credit and very much the politician playing the political game. This is just noise about nothing.
Nice channel. As for the plan, that's what I remember Ian McEwan saying before Brexit, that the UK would spend the next 20 years bringing the EU back bit by bit. This sounds a lot like it. Basically the UK is forced into alignment bit by bit, and ends up back where it started, minus the influence. All this turmoil, division, inconvenience and heartache for nothing. In spite of what I often read in remainer discussions, it was also a sad loss for the EU. I hope to see the UK rejoin one day, but first it needs to solve its divisions and that will take time.
The aged population is the major home of the Brexit emotion. Horrible as it is to say this, it will gradually become less of a division by natural means.
@sundrenched6248 Somehow Canada can use the metric system, and the US can use its old imperial system, with both able to trade successfully together at a grand scale, but the UK has to be "forced into alignment" with whatever Germany is doing. Pathetic.
Wow Tony Blairs (a literal war criminal) former advisor and a banker, approve of Labour's new plan? You know it must be terrible if they're the supporters you brag about.
very very rare to hear any sort of discussion or commentray that straightforwardly addresses these difficult topics and their grown-up solutions. Certainly can't rely on the current Tory government to do that... so thanks to Marr & The New Statesman for plugging that gap.
... They call it Blairism... Kier Starmer is a big fan... I think (and hope!) the UK electorate have got wise this time around... Vote Green Party... 500:1 against... and our best hope...
@@andrewwalsh2755 The electorate will vote emotionally, as always. I think the best the Green pty can hope for, is some of their policies to be integrated among some more centrist political babble, at least until the New Parliament centre is built just outside of Luton, while the current building is turned into luxury flats. Britain will crash badly and the next generation of voters are more concerned with redesigning language and image than anything worthwhile, so the future isn’t looking great.
@@LysanderLH... Troubled times ahead are guaranteed... (True) Labour is dead... (Zionist) Labour has already got a proven track record of lies and deceit under Starmer... and Aljazeeras 'Labour Files' on TH-cam shows that it is terminally rotten. Place a £1 bet @ 500:1 on Green Party to win now... and when you see the odds improve, you know others are too.... UKs best ever chance of getting PR...
@@andrewwalsh2755 I rather think your optimism is misplaced. Fascists and Socialists make good bedfellows and it takes a massive and overwhelming force to effectively oust such ideologies from politics in any meaningful way. Bliarism v2.0 won’t fix Britain and Green politics isn’t comprehensive enough to run a country.
@@LysanderLH... With a £2.5 Trillion national debt, optimism is clearly foolish... That said, we are where we are, we are British... and Conservatives and (Zionist) Labour will privatise the NHS... Soooo... Vote Green Party!
It’s not what the UK desires, it’s what the EU will allow. It’s not what the Politicians talk about, it’s a system where bureaucratic mires would have to disappear. Reality is far away from every day comments and wishes. Every sector in the UK is suffering, will this Labour plan manage it and how many companies will sink until a change does happen.
Yes, Andrew does let his slip show, doesn't he? As if EU countries aren't under the same influence from the US. The US blew up, or sanctioned the blowing up, of the Nordstream 2 pipeline leaving EU countries paying more for gas, and making the €billions it cost to build it a waste of money. But why no call out from the EU's investigation? LOL. They are as much under the US's thumb as the UK is.
Well done all involved.. Thank you for some intelligent thinking at last. I'm a huge fan of responsible large businesses like Airbus, Bentley etc who are world leaders in being employers of choice. This is the way forward for all large employers like the NHS, not trying to bully your workforce.. The Tories epitomise everything that's bad with so much of British management in so many businesses. We need a revolution in British business else we will struggle to attract the best people and without them there's no future growth
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 yes agree 100% but our ruling elite can't stomach being part of a bigger team. They know that they are the only ones who should rule England and no one else and thus the rest of the UK..
agree. So much of what we hear and see appears to be throwbacks to the bad old days of British Leyland-style management. Time to adopt a German-like model of industrial relations that minimises the them-and-us.
Let's be realistic. It's going to be incredibly difficult to repair the Brexit damage and I live in hope (perhaps misguided) that, one day, it can be reversed. What I do know is we'll have more of a chance of achieving this once the present Conservative government (with the likes of Sunak, Rees-Mogg, Raab etc) is gone.
I listened to a British Trade Lawyer who said that exactly this would happen a year ago. He said that individual sector agreements would be made by the next Government. He had helped to write the original EU withdrawal rules. We hadn't managed to get any substantial adjustments at all, and the way the withdrawal agreement was originally designed was like a straight jacket that allowed for individual straps to be loosened. This is exactly what will happen when this Brexit Government is gone.
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 more than likely these will appear in the current deal which has a scheduled evaluation and renegotiation in 2025. Not a series of mini deals.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 The UK agreed to the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement, just as Canada did with CETA. The EU member states decide sovereignly which trade deals suit them. I don't see the problem as both parties agreed to sign the international deals.
"So basically we'll be so aligned that rejoining will be easy at some future point." The UK has to be aligned anyway if it wants to sell goods to the EU. And it will not bring rejoining any closer. The UK has to follow the art. 49 procedure which will take, knowing the English, aprox. 20 years!
Given the EU is still enjoying the benefits of the common market, why should they give these small, separate by sector, deals to the UK? What does the EU get out of it that it doesn't have yet? This just sounds like another, polished and more presentable, version of eat your cake and keep it. For sure the UK should give something in exchange for getting these deals...
A very positive piece, Mr Marr, thank you, and boy, we've seen few enough of them recently. A nuanced and sophisticated path to resolve the Brexit crisis and a politician who hates politics. Could be the perfect antidote to the mess we're in right now.
So Labour proposes cherry-picking 2023 style, as opposed to the Conservative cherry picking 2016 style. A combination of 1) closer alignment (which the Uk needs to do anyway to be able to sell into the EU market) and 2) Swiss style sector by sector deals that the EU has already said it will never do again. Ad nauseum. And people get their hopes up for a brighter future based on 1) something that is happening anyway and 2) has been blocked by the EU already. Which part of "no cherry-picking" is the UK still not able to understand? 7 years on, and it hasn´t learned a single thing.
I keep hoping to have a good chat with U.K., but I’ve never met him. I do see a lot of Sunak , Kwarteng, Hunt, Johnson , and their ilk on TV …..I’ve not met them either !! Sorry to be so brief but my dinner is “oven ready”…..whether I like it or not. Know what I mean ?
There is a big difference, the EU can trust a Labour Government to negotiate in good faith. Dynamic alignment doesn’t require multiple deals to reduce trade friction.
I wish UK a good new labour steering (as Tory must be said have failed)...but on the same thought I would like UK to keep Tory for the next 10 years so that they have to take responsibility for their Brexit politics. That can kill Tory for a century to come
I think that we have learned that Brexit was a huge mistake. The problem is getting the Little Englanders to accept it. Only then can we start to look to work very closely with the EU, and with a view to ASKING TO REJOIN.
@@walterrudich2175 I think you are right. Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have all learned they cannot trust the Government in London to look after their interests! They would all be better off separate within the EU.
Groundbreaking for the tories though. Who just don't seem to get it. Anyway all their huffing and puffing hasn't transformed uk into a world beating economy. They're still confused about why.
I find Starmer perfectly fine. I don't understand why you all need whistles and bells and clowns. I couldn't stand Corbyn. He was prickly. Don't get me started on Bozo. Very glad Starmer has been connecting with Brussels and the EU.
@@kwanman5146 Business is being done and accomodated. Via the TCA, just like trade with other 3rd countries of decent or indecent size. You´re just 6% of EU economy exports. Money talks mainly in the UK, that is why it doesn´t fit in the EU, which is about more than money.
Indeed. Until all paperwork is removed business will suffer. That's one of the major factors in establishing the SM. But there is room for manoeuvre, if there could be veterinary agreement, reducing or removing that quite considerable paperwork would be great news for both sides.
It´s all about mitigating the damage Brexit has done *without* stating that Brexit was a mistake and should be undone completely. The British government aswell as the oposition still are pretty disconnected from reality.
All sounds good to me! politicking and party have been the norm for far too long. For the next long time we need statesmen/ women, and what is good for it population and this little island we call home
Seems a strange position seeing Starmer has ruled out rejoining the SM but is rightly aligning UK with EU in prep to rejoin the SM! We all know UK will be back in the EU in 2030 so it is about time to call out the Brexit mess and support the 63% plus of voters who want the prosperous UK back.
I’m not sure how this is going to roll in Brussels. It sounds very similar to the dozens of bilateral agreements that Switzerland has with the EU and the EU has repeatedly say they will not do this again. It’s unmanageable. And btw the Swiss accepts FMoP. Which Starmer probably won’t go that far. So…
As an EU citizen and anglophile I find it inspiring to hear this. Baldrick couldn't have come up with a more cunning plan. I wish Britain and its citizens the very best and this seems to be a wise way forward to achieve that. Control and alignment, best of both worlds. And though Starmer isn't exactly Lord Flashheart, at times like these it seems bravado or ideological hawkishness aren't what they're cracked up to be.
That's why the TCA was specifically written to allow for easy sector by sector tweaks. They're not stupid. Why refuse to sell someone an apple because you insist on selling them the whole shop. Where areas of cooperation can be found; they will be.
In the 2019 Labour Party manifesto, there was a commitment to seek a deal with the EU that would protect jobs, trade, the environment, and the NHS. This plan sounds as though it could be very similar. Jeremy Corbyn got slated for it at the last election, I just hope that Starmer doesn’t suffer the same fate because there are still a lot of idiotic Brexiters out there. It’s a good plan though I personally do you like the sound of it and although I campaigned for and voted for remain I could live with this.
Always respect your view, Mr M, but the "Davos" over Westminster answer was truly terrible - Starmer wouldn't even be in Davos if he weren't an elected Westminster MP. That answer was hugely disrespectful of the electorate and the Labour Movement.
"There will be a series of small deals"... No there won't. The EU said they won't do another swiss style deal and that is exactly what this proposal is.
It is not for the EU, it is for the voters. Because he can't control what the EU thinks of it. And he can't promise a rejoin because it isn't up to him. He can only promise slowly reintegrate, which the process of joining for non-members anyway. This is not an attempt at half-in half-out.
wonder if this an example of @AndrewMarr's editorial freedom actually unconstrained enough to do a positive feature on KS. Was this not possible at the Beeb?
Still so happy to see Marr away from the the BBC and able to speak freely. Such a great commentator.
But terrified of being challenged on what he says? Where does he debate?
you mean to show how left wing he really is, funny how was meant to be Neutral being part of the BBC and not have biases that shown lol
That’s the first real bit of hope I’ve felt in such a long time.
My shriveled brexit battered soul swelled a little to hear we still have politicians who really care and are competent in their jobs
The poor quality of our politicians, particularly labkur, is as a result of our having been infanatalised within the EU. We now seem to be in the turmoil early teens the early teens. When we become adults the likes of the great Robin Cook might return rather than a woke social worker mentality. It is difficult to believe that you are afraid of bearing resonsibility.
i'll take your wallet for its inspection now pls.
@@rexiioper6920 there isn't much to see. The Tories have already dipped their hand in!
Great isn't it, we had all these benefits threw them away and now we have to try and claw some back, you couldn't write this stuff.
As they say, you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.
What exactly were those benefits you tow-rag!
@@BenWilcox-vl8ed toe rag you obnoxious, insignificant person.
@@bigblue6917 48% of us knew what we had.
You just did write it.
What a positive and hopeful piece. An actual thoughtful plan on how to repair the Brexit damage rather than throwing cheap plastic bandages at the problem, and both the EU and US investing immensely in green energy and giving our descendants a chance, rather than consigning them to futile struggle and horrific suffering.
Whilst a positive I can't see how this is going to replace tariff and barrier free trade. How for example will it help touring musicians lives easier? No more carnets?
The green lunacy will see your decedents consigned to a futile struggle and horrific suffering. How's your energy bill?
@@jrobs1133 your energy bill is high because of fossil fuel prices.
@@tim66612343 Let me know when you’ve understood the economics behind net zero and high energy prices. Until then sssh
@@jrobs1133 I understand it perfectly well thanks so shut your patronising mouth.
Nigel Farage was complaining about a (Brexit) brain drain today, even Brexiteers are blaming Brexit now!
Reminds me of that scene in _The Italian Job_ where the crooks are stuck in traffic after the game - that England won, and everyone has glum face.. and the line "Well look happy you stupid b'stards! We won didn't we?" gets uttered. Every essence of that scene; Brexiters to a tee.....
Nigel Farage is all wind and piss
Nazis always blame some other fucker. 1946 et al...
Yes, but by ‘brains’ he meant his younger buddies who work in the City…
Was a stupid idea from the beginning 😎
There is one thing about re-joining that the British do not seem to understand at the moment. As long as UK was a part of EU, they were always vetoing and voting against all EU integration and cohesion. France, Germany, Italy and Spain are the pro-integration mainstream. No one wants the return of the old UK, the one that had the best deal in the Union and used all their influence to keep the EU diffuse for their own benefit. If UK ever wants to re-join, there is zero chance of getting their old position back, in particular if their intention is to be anti-integration once more.
Fantastic post. You think you understand the British !!!
Our old position was only ever temporary, in the end every member state would have to join schengen & eurozone, how else would a united states of europe work, it was a slow creep process so we chose to escape beforehand.
I dont think Germans or the French want closer integration otherwise you would have seen it happen sooner.
I think you should realise that there probably won't be any 'return' to the SM, CU or EU for 10-20 years. No-one in the EU wants the disruptive influence back.
Which takes us to the fact that Scotland will have left the disUnited Kingdom by that time. It is even possible that Ireland will have reunified.
What may seek admission will be England. I can't speak for Wales. But Plaid Cymru membership has quintupled since brexit.
Britain was never a commited member of the community.
It was happy to use the sunbeds and the Jacuzzi, but was never interested in the treadmill or lifting the weights.
It's almost like there was no point in leaving.
Almost?
…. right?
For some it takes a little longer to understand that.
There was never a point in leaving!!!
It's almost like leaving was part of a sinister plan to ruin the UK and weaken the EU.
This is a good analysis from Marr and gives us all hope that we’ll have adults running the country very soon.
Too late
That counts Labour out - just imagine Starmer/Rayner/Lammy/Nandy/Reeves/Thornberry/Cooper.......really?!!!!
@@seamusmcevoy2011
Yes. Anybody over the Lying Tories.
Global Recession of 2008 can't even come close to this one.
Adults should also consider the dissolution of EU as a result of debt crisis
@@johnjobs3027 That would be great news.
Never been that struck on Starmer but I like some of your points here. Billy Connolly once said ‘The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one’
That just sounded refreshing from the circus we have in government now. Seems like a plan is being put in place in the background, gain the trust back from the EU, improve relations.
Get labour in power, while the circus acts get their TV shows (see Nadine dorries and JRM) to criticise from outside government. We at the moment have a rudderless ship while the big trading blocks are putting into place future energy solutions.
“Maximilian Robespierre” says we CANNOT enter the single market without applying to rejoin EU. And they won’t want us back I’m afraid.
@@TheGava4 I didn't say about rejoining the single market, I was saying about improving relations as what was being said in the video by Marr. It's a better plan than what we have now, as in no plan, and trying to appease the ERG nutjobs. A new government under Labour will set us on course for better relations and trade agreements, the queuing lorries is just an utter waste of productivity, there should be some easy wins to get the trade flowing better.
@@krislibertine whats in it for EU and US and other blocks?
@@ulfosterberg1979 why do countries strive to have free trade agreements? Closer relations are beneficial for both sides.
" future energy solutions." you mean Germany reopening Coal Plants, panicking because it's whole industrial base is now under threat, the US stopping being self sufficient and having to import Oil and Gas from the Middle East, yep they should like they know what they are doing
The simple translation is Keir, Starmer knows he can’t just re-join the European Union, so he’s taking the baby steps to get us ready to go back in.
We don't want the Euro thank you.
@@keithjohnpaul86 we wouldn't have had it had we remained...
Now it's part of the terms of rejoining.
Brexit is the biggest mistake the UK has ever taken in peacetime
@@keithjohnpaul86 If you are as old as you say you are you won't have many more votes on the issue.
We will align more closely and eventually probably re-join.
And there will be nothing that you can do about it.
@@keithjohnpaul86 The UK is on the back foot now. It no longer gets to dictate terms.
I think there will be a re positioning of uk and eu relations. Many kids born and raised in the uk will have eu citizenship too. My daughter being one of them. She is british and Polish and has just had her polish citizenship acknowledge. They are the ones that will create closer ties and legislation.
Almost makes one dare to feel a little hope
Really? You didn't dare that when Corbyn was labour leader?
@@toyotaprius79 Remember corbyn has this effect on seemingly normal people to turn them into rabid morons without a shred of critical thinking. To them he’s a sub tier human. Guy offered real change but we can’t have that we have to have a champagne drinking sell out at davos who won’t change anything for the good of the people when he’s in power.
They’ll just rebuke with something something grossly exxagerrated anti semitism something something he shook hands with the IRA.
@@toyotaprius79 I mean Starmers planned mandates and polices are different to Corbyn's. So there is no connection between someone feeling like their might be some hope with Starmers current views, with not voting for Corbyn.
exactly
Hope is the most dangerous thing of all. Remember that.
All this effort just to try to catch-up with where we would have been had we not fired all the rounds into our feet.
True. But we're a long way away from getting back there. Labour need to be doing what they're doing. Get us back in the good books with the EU and the world, rebuild the trust and respect that the Tories shat out, and then, in a few years time, make the case again.
@@peterclarke7240 It will be decades.
@@peterclarke7240 hopefully starting with implementing done deals, like the WA and the TCA.
The Conservative Party are 💯 to blame for Brexit and the mess Brexit has caused, and please do not listen to Nigel Farage ever again!
This is what I’ve seen in him for a while now, I think he could be a transformative leader for the UK. It is precisely because he isn’t a “political personality” and his background that makes me feel that way. The combination with Rachel Reeves seems formidable.
A Doer rather than a clown act or rank amateur actors with either little power or insight to effect necessary changes.
Wait till place holders are changed post next April and next GE. God it cant come fast enough.
Hopefully the patient and economy will still be alive by then and not terminal !
Labour are lucky to have the former DPP and Northern Ireland police advisor. A person with a real job, not just your career politicians
It seems the plan was Starmer is the straight man, serious and mean, while Angela Rayner is the firebrand, speaking truth to power and ragging the Tories like a fighting dog with it's favourite toy.
This hasn't worked because main stream media just ignore Labour except to slander and smaller commentators have been frustrated by Starmer's stoic nature in the face of blatant corruption and lies.
The utter failure to stand by unions has not helped either. The Right doesn't care and will call him a lefty regardless and union members will not forget the betrayal.
He was a stauch Corbyn supporter for four years. The far left are deeply embedded in the party and the NEC. They are just keeping their heads down.
I'm sure that the EU will be more flexible with a labour government, Europe is just sick of 12 years of Tory sabotage much like the rest of the UK
"I'm sure that the EU will be more flexible with a labour government"
Really? I don't think so. The UK wanted to be a competitor, took a gamble and lost. You don't help out competitors, that's not how things work!
And i am sick of peope like you who refuse to acknowledge democracy we voted to leave your another whinger who only believes in a vote when you win
The French and the Irish will veto any and every attempt by England to even apply to join. Brexit is forever, good riddance.
You forget that Labour voted with the ERG to get rid of Theresa May's negotiatiated Withdrawal Agreement. Didn't make anyone in the EU trust Labour.
A few months later, Parliament was sent on an unconstitutional holiday, which the judiciary had to correct. And then Labour voted for snap elections and the voters rewarded the culprits, the ERG-led Tories, with an 80-seats majority and the most anti-European and hostile London-government ever. Thanks, Labour!
Think he (Kier) prefers Davos simply on the basis that it is a forum where solutions are worked out and plans made for the future, while Westminister is a circus where all he can do is point out how the PM is incompetent and nothing will change as long as the PM has the backing of his party.
As always Mr Marr, you are someone so worth my while listening to.
Great presentation. Thank you.
🤦♂️ Leaving was SUCH a stupid thing to do. Only now are people starting to see it and only because money is running out and things are a mess.
Leaving didn't have to be a problem. The cowardice and ineptitude of the major UK political parties in charting a course independent of the EU are causing problems.
I suggest remainers were afraid of growing up and wanted everyone else to make the decisions for us. We did not make any trade negotiations for 40 years. Were were excluded from any negotiations with Putin. So it went on and on.
pre-brexshit we were part of the team that decided how the rules were written in the first edition hardback rulebook but we listened to liars who didn't want to play the game and burnt all the copies we owned. Now we aspire to be an outsider taking photocopies of future rulebooks leant to us by the group we once we very close with, sticking it together with a bit of tape and desperately pretending that its better than it was before
Yes Russel, I think you are summing it up rather nicely. On top of it, we will only get EU agreement on those bits they want to let us join, while others, perhaps more profitable ones, will most likely not be as "dynamically" aligned.
That pretty much summarizes it, yep. And the reality is that you have to be happy even if you reach that point...
Well said!
No other options are available. Britain can't rejoin EU fast enough and without EU you see the impact!?
You are exactly right. Although we have to think of this as the first step of a long journey back. Our neighbours need the specter of brexiteerism to recede before they can trust us,, which in practice means waiting for the power of the eu hating boomer vote to shrink due to natural demographics. This is stage one, next stage is full SM and CU, while the domestic reforms happen. Then hopefully..... we can come back to full membership when we have been rehabilitated.
How is this going to attract investment? Who, in their right mind, would invest in the UK when they have sure bets in Ireland, France, Germany, Bulgaria etc.? Sure, this is better than what the Conservatives are pedalling, but it is still avoiding reality.
but the electorate would never elect a labour gov. who wanted to rejoin outright. that is unfortunately the reality of the situation. hopefully this policy would be a step in the right direction
@@TheNotSoFakeNews In your opinion, that is the case. It is not a fact. Indeed, I would argue that if more politicians were honest about Brexit and the damage it is doing to the country politically and economically, that the support that remains for Brexit would decrease fairly quickly.
Labour are in danger of taking ownership of Brexit, and that could come back to bite them two elections out.
@@AlanWarrenBelfastArchitect Joining the EU would take aprox. 20 years, so why state you want to join outright?
@@TheNotSoFakeNews That just proves that the electorate are not fit to be allowed any membership whatsoever.
@@TheNotSoFakeNews Look at the Opinion polling
Why is Labour so adamant on NOT joining the Single Market and Customs union? Surely that would be so much simpler?
A few years ago I heard someone, I think from the Institute for Government, say that, after Brexit, Britain would spend the next 10 years trying to get back some of the benefits it enjoyed being in the EU. Keir Starmer's ideas look like the start of that path.
What does England have to offer?
I mean: at *_any_* negotiation table?
@Ed Straker From where do they originate? Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to cause havoc in the Mideast?
@jmolofsson The 6th largest economy on the planet. An economy that will offer many opportunities to investors as it repairs the massive damage that Brexit and the Torys inflicted on the country.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 by the time Tories are booted out of office we may be 666th economy on the planet
@@jmolofsson What a moronic comment!
The UK has the world 6th largest economy, 2 of the top 5 universities in the world & the second largest number of Nobel prizes, nuclear armed with a blue-water navy, an Alpha ++ city (1 of 2 in the world), home of the world's global language and global sport. One of the leading countries on AI and nuclear energy research.
That's why I will never vote Labour again
I used to be British and European and now I'm neither. I'm Welsh and backing Welsh independence and Wales' application to join The EU. I never thought I'd be in this position.
You all live in a dream world, Wales independent, and how the hell would that work out? your struggling under a Labour run NHS as it is, do you think it will all be magic independence, your as bad as that idiot Sturgeon in Scotland, brainwashing the Scots into believing it would all be a bad of roses.
I'm English and I wish you good luck in both. Seriously. I'm not being sarcastic.
The hypocrisy of the UK govt when it comes to "we can leave a union on a dodgy vote but you can't" reeks.
Got news for you. Welsh will be always at English tow. Welsh exists on paper only, a quirkiness in the English world. Zero chance of independence or joining Europe as an independent nation. ... But hope is good for soul.
@@bm8641 Ah, another anti-Welsh comment which will boost the case for independence even further. The "Wales doesn't exist" argument has been around for decades and is used by British and English nationalists when they try to suppress the Welsh identity; all it does is insult Wales and the Welsh and makes us even more determined to cast off the chains of English imperialism. If Scotland leaves the Union Wales will follow. Yes Cymru! Saor Alba!
No Brexit means Brexit.
I voted not to leave but the 50+% who voted to leave should live through the pain of there decision it's a learning experience for everyone in Britain.
trouble is the pro brexit muppets blame covid 19 for any issues. they are to dumb to understand reality of what they have done
Um all brexit was about was leaving the EU as a member. That has happened and no one is talking about rejoining the EU as a member, so not sure what you are talking about.
The tax avoidance brexit venture must be exposed for what it really is. And its promoters must be prosecuted
Remember Project Fear and the millions parading the streets waving their silly flags on "Freedom Night" . Or the night that the British MEPs turned their backs to the EU flags when the EU anthem was played?That wont be forgotten for a long long time. If you ever get to re apply, you will be shown those videos.
@@batcollins3714 That was very sad. Isolationist and backward. People believe the mainstream media.
The ATAD (Anti Tax Avoidance Directive)? I sometimes think there were only 3 of us who noticed this and jumped up and down and pointed at our British oligarchs for this. It fell on deaf ears. Don't get your hopes up.
Plus the aim of de-regulating everything. Allow everything to be bought, environmental standards to be dropped, protections for workers to be eradicated and so on.
@@batcollins3714 I do not see the UK rejoining or any prospective governmen t trying to overturn the referendum result and getting elected.
Meaningless. The damage is done, the customers have found new suppliers, companies have left. They're not coming back any time soon. All this is fantasy and the only thing this might achieve is to slow the uk's managed decline. Labour needs to stop trying to appease tory voting pensioners and start negotiations to rejoin. SMEs like mine cannot carry on in this catastrophic brexit nightmare.
It sounds a lot like a Swiss style arrangement, which is surprising given that the EU seems to have little appetite for a repeat of that at least officially, but I am guess that in these times the Germans would rather like to have more trade and pull the UK closer and will try to influence the EU to go that way. But will the EU move in that direction then, Germany is a strong pole within the EU but not the only one and not in any sense in direct control. The UK would have to convince at few more players to get this across the goal line with an appearance of ease maybe getting the Netherlands and France on board as well which would make it an almost guaranteed success.
That's why it won't happen. Germany was probably just being diplomatic. And whatever Germany might want the EU as a whole isn't going to accept this plan ever. They've already clearly said so. No new Switzerland type deal will ever be made. As clear as that.
Indeed. This is the “Swiss” style form of EU integration.
Andrew Marr is showing his Brexiteer leanings. A lot of wishful thinking, à la Macmillan, circa 1963?😂
Yes indeed, this is Switzerland Mk 2, a series of piecemeal treaties which Brussels hates and is constantly trying to "streamline" with the Swiss. It also bypasses the Four Freedoms, so it's even more restrictive than Switzerland. I think what Starmer is experiencing is straightforward politeness, but things will get tough when he starts earnest negotiations. The real prize for Brussels is not Britain as an export market, but Britain as a big economy (if it still is in five years' time).
If you like the Swiss way of doing things than we leave nato and declare the UK a Neutral Country and the armed forces are reorganised along the lines of a 'Swiss Citizens Militia'. This also means more 'Direct Democracy' as a mechanism to replace the 'House of Lords' but legislated so that results are legally binding.
Im not that bothered about Labour’s political conundrums … what needs solved (as in binned) is brexshit
Best bit of news I have heard in some time, great work 👍
Absolutely f*cking ridiculous that we've come to the conclusion that we should follow closer to EU laws and regulations to make trading easier after years of wasting money on leaving the bloody EU and then the economy going down the pisser in the last couple of years. It doesn't even make me angry anymore, just sad, it's beyond belief that they've wasted so much time and money when it's clear we would have been in a better position now if we had of just stayed in the EU
I am so glad you call it the bloody EU. I would only say much worse in the privacy of my own home. Brexit is not a disaster. At the very least it is showing us what happens to a country dependent upon the Blair / Brown low wage migrant labour. If you are ready we can grow up from being infantile in the EU and grasp our own affairs.
Certainly might be better than where we are right now, but still significantly worse from where we were! .
Who could imagine Marr blowing Starmer’s trumpet? Usually got his tongue wedged up the other side.
The fact that Starmer doesn't like politics, makes me trust him as a politician.
Been on the mushrooms have you?
@@BenWilcox-vl8ed stop liking your own posts ya melt. LoL!
You happy with someone making a stack of pledges to you one week... then dropping them the next, are you?
He's a proven liar and totally dishonest...
@@andrewwalsh2755 you mean like the Tories
He certainly brazenly U-turns as any other consummate career politician.
So, you still not have control over the standards (actually lost any saying), but lost all the benefits. Lost humongous revenues from the financial sector. Added a ridiculous amount of bureaucracy. Lost a huge base of the much needed european young labor workforce. Nobody can convince me that there were genuine economic reasons for brexit!
It will take years to put right the damage caused by the corrupt Tories. If we can get PR we can banish the threat the Tories pose for good. One can but dream!
Yes, that’s right, let’s turn the UK into a one-party state! Russia, Cuba, China, N Korea - they’re all successful countries aren’t they? Well known for their fairness, their human rights records, their workers’ rights, etc, etc, etc. MORON!!!
@@davidhickman2451 with PR you won’t get a one party state bonehead!
You can dynamically align until the cows come home, but you still have no guarantee of the trade deals needed with the EU.
Starmer is selling us the plan for the foundations, when we actually need a house built.
At last, someone with a plan! The UK has suffered from near-sightedness for far too long. All too often confusing an important stepping stone or milestone for the end goal. Brexit was particularly so. Leaving the EU was seen as the ultimate goal when those politicians that supported it should have been looking at it as an important step in a process of a much grander plan. There was no plan. We left the EU with hopes and dreams but very little reality. Brexit isn't the only UK example and unfortunately, won't be the last. If they did have a plan, Brexit may have been successful, although I personally fail to see how it would have been.
Agreed, an actually workable plan for once. Some good news in politics, even if it's just a plan till the GE.
Making goods and services trade deals without free movement or EU contributions was always the leavers 'plan' .
Remainers said it was impossible.
The EU said it was impossible.
Seems it's not 😉
@@andyf10 The UK will not get sector deals, it's cherry picking. And if there's one thing we (EU) don't like it's CHERRY PICKING!
@@marinusvos You may well be right. I think the EU would resist and Labour won't be able to achieve what they claim. But who knows.... they have a mainly goods only deal with Turkey that only covers a few sectors.
@anjonjp It's not that difficult to run an independent country outside the EU or any similar trading arrangement. Look at Canada. It is by no means in a lock-step economic and political union with any other country, certainly not the United States.
Like it or not, Davos is the place to be for world leaders and it’s very telling about the total failure of the UK government since Brexit that RS was not there.
Thank you Andrew. I hope you're right. I love that Keir and Rachel are out in the world getting known and being ambassadors for the UK. It makes me feel hopeful for a much brighter future and a bit emotional!
Just a shame that Rachel Reeves is using the nasty Tory rhetoric of demonising benefit claimants and that Starmer has shown, by his failure to contradict, that he agrees with Streeting's plan to extend NHS privatisation. That makes me emotional too - but probably not in the same way you are.
@@thetragicyouth makes you mad
So you like them for attending the Davos war criminal conference?
@@thetragicyouth Can you provide a link ?
@@labt8194 yes
I doubt it will add up to much. EU will be more than happy to do a new deal with the UK if the EU can benefit from it - these new unilateral regulations will not help the EU increase its trade into the UK. The world knows that the UK government can change in the blink of an eye, so business investment won't grow because next week a new PM could be appointed who could scrap the regulations idea or any other cosying-up to the EU. More dangerously, Labour cannot now oppose the Tory flagship policy of Brexit. Brexit is causing massive economic damage - for which Labour could find itself jointly responsible in years to come.
Starmer is incredibly bad at politics
sounds like cherry-picking, ... I thought Michel Barnier knocked that on the head.
it is. He didn´t knock hard enough, thick skulls and all that.
Largely meeting the EU standards is already the default position. Pretending Keir is the reason it is happening shows he is positioning himself to take the credit and very much the politician playing the political game. This is just noise about nothing.
Nice channel. As for the plan, that's what I remember Ian McEwan saying before Brexit, that the UK would spend the next 20 years bringing the EU back bit by bit. This sounds a lot like it. Basically the UK is forced into alignment bit by bit, and ends up back where it started, minus the influence. All this turmoil, division, inconvenience and heartache for nothing. In spite of what I often read in remainer discussions, it was also a sad loss for the EU. I hope to see the UK rejoin one day, but first it needs to solve its divisions and that will take time.
The aged population is the major home of the Brexit emotion. Horrible as it is to say this, it will gradually become less of a division by natural means.
@sundrenched6248 Somehow Canada can use the metric system, and the US can use its old imperial system, with both able to trade successfully together at a grand scale, but the UK has to be "forced into alignment" with whatever Germany is doing. Pathetic.
Wow Tony Blairs (a literal war criminal) former advisor and a banker, approve of Labour's new plan? You know it must be terrible if they're the supporters you brag about.
Classic Marr : “They’ll be looking at the EU, we’re not part of that, and they’ll be looking at the US, we’re not YET part of that”
very very rare to hear any sort of discussion or commentray that straightforwardly addresses these difficult topics and their grown-up solutions. Certainly can't rely on the current Tory government to do that... so thanks to Marr & The New Statesman for plugging that gap.
They say words, do as little as possible, make personal fortunes, retire and others take over to do the same.
... They call it Blairism... Kier Starmer is a big fan... I think (and hope!) the UK electorate have got wise this time around...
Vote Green Party... 500:1 against... and our best hope...
@@andrewwalsh2755 The electorate will vote emotionally, as always. I think the best the Green pty can hope for, is some of their policies to be integrated among some more centrist political babble, at least until the New Parliament centre is built just outside of Luton, while the current building is turned into luxury flats. Britain will crash badly and the next generation of voters are more concerned with redesigning language and image than anything worthwhile, so the future isn’t looking great.
@@LysanderLH... Troubled times ahead are guaranteed... (True) Labour is dead... (Zionist) Labour has already got a proven track record of lies and deceit under Starmer... and Aljazeeras 'Labour Files' on TH-cam shows that it is terminally rotten.
Place a £1 bet @ 500:1 on Green Party to win now... and when you see the odds improve, you know others are too....
UKs best ever chance of getting PR...
@@andrewwalsh2755 I rather think your optimism is misplaced. Fascists and Socialists make good bedfellows and it takes a massive and overwhelming force to effectively oust such ideologies from politics in any meaningful way. Bliarism v2.0 won’t fix Britain and Green politics isn’t comprehensive enough to run a country.
@@LysanderLH... With a £2.5 Trillion national debt, optimism is clearly foolish... That said, we are where we are, we are British... and Conservatives and (Zionist) Labour will privatise the NHS... Soooo...
Vote Green Party!
Yikes, it's clear Kier wants to be the WEF's governor of England rather than the UK Prime Minister
Really great idea.More fluidity of trade,less bureaucracy and less conflict with our trading partners.
It’s not what the UK desires, it’s what the EU will allow. It’s not what the Politicians talk about, it’s a system where bureaucratic mires would have to disappear. Reality is far away from every day comments and wishes. Every sector in the UK is suffering, will this Labour plan manage it and how many companies will sink until a change does happen.
"The United States, we're not yet part of that".......I nearly spat my breakfast out when I heard that
Yes, Andrew does let his slip show, doesn't he? As if EU countries aren't under the same influence from the US. The US blew up, or sanctioned the blowing up, of the Nordstream 2 pipeline leaving EU countries paying more for gas, and making the €billions it cost to build it a waste of money. But why no call out from the EU's investigation? LOL. They are as much under the US's thumb as the UK is.
I just don’t trust, labour or conservatives
Ah! So the solution is cakeism and the Swiss deal. Who would have guessed?
So much for democracy.
Well done all involved.. Thank you for some intelligent thinking at last. I'm a huge fan of responsible large businesses like Airbus, Bentley etc who are world leaders in being employers of choice. This is the way forward for all large employers like the NHS, not trying to bully your workforce.. The Tories epitomise everything that's bad with so much of British management in so many businesses. We need a revolution in British business else we will struggle to attract the best people and without them there's no future growth
This intelligent thinking was called the European Union...
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 yes agree 100% but our ruling elite can't stomach being part of a bigger team. They know that they are the only ones who should rule England and no one else and thus the rest of the UK..
Or babyhood relying on Mummy and Daddy to tell us what to do.
agree. So much of what we hear and see appears to be throwbacks to the bad old days of British Leyland-style management. Time to adopt a German-like model of industrial relations that minimises the them-and-us.
Let's be realistic. It's going to be incredibly difficult to repair the Brexit damage and I live in hope (perhaps misguided) that, one day, it can be reversed. What I do know is we'll have more of a chance of achieving this once the present Conservative government (with the likes of Sunak, Rees-Mogg, Raab etc) is gone.
I listened to a British Trade Lawyer who said that exactly this would happen a year ago. He said that individual sector agreements would be made by the next Government. He had helped to write the original EU withdrawal rules. We hadn't managed to get any substantial adjustments at all, and the way the withdrawal agreement was originally designed was like a straight jacket that allowed for individual straps to be loosened.
This is exactly what will happen when this Brexit Government is gone.
Well said. Excellent metaphor!
Nope. No Swiss style arrangements anymore!
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 more than likely these will appear in the current deal which has a scheduled evaluation and renegotiation in 2025. Not a series of mini deals.
Somehow Canada can trade with the EU without these servile "individual sector agreements."
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 The UK agreed to the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement, just as Canada did with CETA. The EU member states decide sovereignly which trade deals suit them. I don't see the problem as both parties agreed to sign the international deals.
... We're not part of the United States.... Thank God
So rejoining piecemeal. So basically we'll be so aligned that rejoining will be easy at some future point.
Good!
"So basically we'll be so aligned that rejoining will be easy at some future point."
The UK has to be aligned anyway if it wants to sell goods to the EU. And it will not bring rejoining any closer. The UK has to follow the art. 49 procedure which will take, knowing the English, aprox. 20 years!
@@marinusvos Canada has a trade deal with the EU but doesn't have to be "aligned" with the EU.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704 The UK signed up for this by accepting the TCA.
Given the EU is still enjoying the benefits of the common market, why should they give these small, separate by sector, deals to the UK? What does the EU get out of it that it doesn't have yet? This just sounds like another, polished and more presentable, version of eat your cake and keep it. For sure the UK should give something in exchange for getting these deals...
All I can say is thank Fk somebody has a plan.
A very positive piece, Mr Marr, thank you, and boy, we've seen few enough of them recently. A nuanced and sophisticated path to resolve the Brexit crisis and a politician who hates politics. Could be the perfect antidote to the mess we're in right now.
could i have your wallet for its inspection now pls
So Labour proposes cherry-picking 2023 style, as opposed to the Conservative cherry picking 2016 style.
A combination of
1) closer alignment (which the Uk needs to do anyway to be able to sell into the EU market) and
2) Swiss style sector by sector deals that the EU has already said it will never do again. Ad nauseum.
And people get their hopes up for a brighter future based on 1) something that is happening anyway and 2) has been blocked by the EU already.
Which part of "no cherry-picking" is the UK still not able to understand? 7 years on, and it hasn´t learned a single thing.
I keep hoping to have a good chat with U.K., but I’ve never met him. I do see a lot of Sunak , Kwarteng, Hunt, Johnson , and their ilk on TV …..I’ve not met them either !! Sorry to be so brief but my dinner is “oven ready”…..whether I like it or not. Know what I mean ?
Starmer also seems to think that Germany rules the EU and all he has to do is cozying up to Scholz.
There is a big difference, the EU can trust a Labour Government to negotiate in good faith. Dynamic alignment doesn’t require multiple deals to reduce trade friction.
Not really cherry picking is it. If there are areas of mutual benefit, deals will be done. It will all be within the framework of the TCA.
@@Milo-wl2if " the EU can trust a Labour Government to negotiate in good faith"
Really? I doubt it!
It’s called abject surrender !
I wish UK a good new labour steering (as Tory must be said have failed)...but on the same thought I would like UK to keep Tory for the next 10 years so that they have to take responsibility for their Brexit politics. That can kill Tory for a century to come
But the population won't survive another ten years of Tory government.
Unfortunately the country would not survive another 10 years of this government, the union would brake!
I think that we have learned that Brexit was a huge mistake. The problem is getting the Little Englanders to accept it. Only then can we start to look to work very closely with the EU, and with a view to ASKING TO REJOIN.
@@johnnixon7749 the Union will break, anyway.
@@walterrudich2175 I think you are right. Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have all learned they cannot trust the Government in London to look after their interests! They would all be better off separate within the EU.
This is what Brexit should have been, but the vermin got in the way!
Hardly groundbreaking. To market products in the EU you already need to comply to the EU standards and product safety regulations.
Yes but it’s heresy to the Tory infiltrated Brexit Party in Government who think in terms of bendy bananas, kippers and happy fish !!
Which makes the Tories efforts to move away from EU standards all the more illogical!
Groundbreaking for the tories though. Who just don't seem to get it. Anyway all their huffing and puffing hasn't transformed uk into a world beating economy. They're still confused about why.
I find Starmer perfectly fine. I don't understand why you all need whistles and bells and clowns. I couldn't stand Corbyn. He was prickly. Don't get me started on Bozo. Very glad Starmer has been connecting with Brussels and the EU.
Switzerland.
Forget it.
Kind regards,
the EU
Yet money talks. We still remain a decent sized economy and it would be foolish if business cannot be done or accommodated.
@@kwanman5146 Business is being done and accomodated. Via the TCA, just like trade with other 3rd countries of decent or indecent size. You´re just 6% of EU economy exports. Money talks mainly in the UK, that is why it doesn´t fit in the EU, which is about more than money.
Switzerland another Laundromat.
It's not Switzerland, we designed the TCA that way on purpose..
Kind regards
The eu.
What a new, new labour placeman this guy is.
You can align as much as you want, but business needs be in the SM and the CU, full stop!
Yes but successful businesses don’t grow on trees, and the electorate need to suffer a lot more….which has to be the Tory success story.
Indeed. Until all paperwork is removed business will suffer. That's one of the major factors in establishing the SM.
But there is room for manoeuvre, if there could be veterinary agreement, reducing or removing that quite considerable paperwork would be great news for both sides.
@@verystripeyzebra The SM doesn't get rid of all the paperwork, some of it yes. The CU does!
It´s all about mitigating the damage Brexit has done *without* stating that Brexit was a mistake and should be undone completely. The British government aswell as the oposition still are pretty disconnected from reality.
All sounds good to me! politicking and party have been the norm for far too long. For the next long time we need statesmen/ women, and what is good for it population and this little island we call home
Insightful....thank you Andrew
Unfortunately only his insight. There are other insights.
spread the word
What word ?
If Carney thinks it's a good idea it's probably terrible.
Ooo.. thanks for making this summary! Hopefully this will end the series of turmoil we're seeing...
I seriously doubt it.
No it won´t
The UK as a concept is finished.
Can't wait to get some grown-ups running the country.
we live in hope
The Bankers run the country.
Westminster is a sideshow
Labour has a disastrous record on the economy; dumped austerity
and a mountain of debt on the incoming Tories in 2010.
Problem is the country will never vote human garbage into power, when it comes down to it the Tories will win again. You just wait and see.
He can't even identify what a woman is totally useless he's a WEF member what else do you need to know!
Yes, Britian, you shall take our rules. You chose to be a rule taker and not a rule maker. Well done.
Keir Starmer is good Prime Minister material. Not much glamour but some good substance. I'll take that over lying con-men any day
Seems a strange position seeing Starmer has ruled out rejoining the SM but is rightly aligning UK with EU in prep to rejoin the SM! We all know UK will be back in the EU in 2030 so it is about time to call out the Brexit mess and support the 63% plus of voters who want the prosperous UK back.
A great professionally delivered news item and without bias please let's have more
There is always bias
its not just your follicles that have left your head
The problem with the written word is that you can't hear the tone of sarcasm at the end
I’m not sure how this is going to roll in Brussels. It sounds very similar to the dozens of bilateral agreements that Switzerland has with the EU and the EU has repeatedly say they will not do this again. It’s unmanageable. And btw the Swiss accepts FMoP. Which Starmer probably won’t go that far. So…
Starmer has explicitly ruled out a Swiss style deal bcoz of FMoP. Of course he lies constantly so who knows.
Excellent, thank you, Andrew.
I suggest you listen to other views.
2:34 too bad we couldn't have cooperated with Germany on a European Union 100 years ago. We'd have flying cars by now.
There’s some hope 🙏
Thank you. This was very helpfully in explicating Labour's alignment proposals for trade with EU.
As an EU citizen and anglophile I find it inspiring to hear this. Baldrick couldn't have come up with a more cunning plan. I wish Britain and its citizens the very best and this seems to be a wise way forward to achieve that. Control and alignment, best of both worlds. And though Starmer isn't exactly Lord Flashheart, at times like these it seems bravado or ideological hawkishness aren't what they're cracked up to be.
The EU don´t want a Swiss style arrangement! Don´t count on those sector by sector agreements. This simply won´t happen!
That's why the TCA was specifically written to allow for easy sector by sector tweaks. They're not stupid. Why refuse to sell someone an apple because you insist on selling them the whole shop.
Where areas of cooperation can be found; they will be.
In the 2019 Labour Party manifesto, there was a commitment to seek a deal with the EU that would protect jobs, trade, the environment, and the NHS.
This plan sounds as though it could be very similar.
Jeremy Corbyn got slated for it at the last election, I just hope that Starmer doesn’t suffer the same fate because there are still a lot of idiotic Brexiters out there.
It’s a good plan though I personally do you like the sound of it and although I campaigned for and voted for remain I could live with this.
Yes, but what about Jacob`s tax evasion plans? Will this affect them?
I hope so.
Always respect your view, Mr M, but the "Davos" over Westminster answer was truly terrible - Starmer wouldn't even be in Davos if he weren't an elected Westminster MP. That answer was hugely disrespectful of the electorate and the Labour Movement.
"There will be a series of small deals"... No there won't. The EU said they won't do another swiss style deal and that is exactly what this proposal is.
The UK is still dreaming of being half in and half out of the EU (and making a juicy profit from that position). Not going to happen.
Exactly. The EU wants to get rid of those permanent and cumbersome small Swiss arrangements. Dream on Andrew.
There will be. Starmer is close to Scholz
It is not for the EU, it is for the voters. Because he can't control what the EU thinks of it. And he can't promise a rejoin because it isn't up to him. He can only promise slowly reintegrate, which the process of joining for non-members anyway. This is not an attempt at half-in half-out.
We was offered a Swiss style deal but turned it down
As long as only leave voters paying any extra costs then this could work
Labour they can't come quicker enough.
They'll be even worse.
@@labt8194 Provide a link please ?
@@labt8194 theyd have to work bloody hard to be worse
@@labt8194 PROVE IT !
Starmer and marr together couldn’t solve a simple puzzle
wonder if this an example of @AndrewMarr's editorial freedom actually unconstrained enough to do a positive feature on KS. Was this not possible at the Beeb?
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