I Hope, that if they remake this game, that they will make the Puney part a lot better! My suggestions: -give Mario something like a whistle, so all of them will come to him -make them move a little faster My suggestions to change Chapter 4: -just decrease backtracking (1/2 times would be alright) -I would love seeing a bigger ghost mansion and more exploring Also I would love seeing some other changes: -give us more of a sky city like in Chapter 3, maybe a whole theme park, idk but I think it would match -Chapter 5: I would love having more islands to explore and to experience more of the pirate stuff -Chapter 7: more of the moon, better balancing for the gravity -A playable version of Luigi’s Story
Great suggestions, I’m with you on all of these. Thats the thing with the “bad chapters” here, they could become AMAZING if they were tweaked a bit. Chapter 2 has incredible art design for instance, if the punies were less annoying (like with the whistle) it would be far less cumbersome. Chapter 4, just having a different route or something to the chapel would go a long ways. Good analysis!
@@Cytonox thanks! I really loved this game (it’s actually my favourite game of all times!). But I don’t get, why Nintendo isn’t making a remake to it? I mean they have been remaking so many amazing games
@@SonicGamerLP They're pouring all their resources and efforts into tears of kingdom, but I think afterwards, we'll see more remakes and remasters like Prime Remastered
1. Chapter 8 2. Chapter 3 3. Chapter 4 4. Chapter 6 5. Chapter 7 6. Chapter 1 7. Chapter 5 8. Chapter 2 The gothic atmosphere found in "For Pigs the Bell Tolls" is done almost as well in the much longer "final trial" of the game in the Palace of Shadow, as well as having three excellent boss fights (Gloomtail, Bowser + Kammy Koopa and Shadow Queen). I love final dungeons that test your combat abilities to the limit, as well as puzzles that require you to employ every partner you have at your disposal. The dungeon design has never been better than TTYD's chapter 8. If I had one gripe about the chapter, it's that the underground SMB1 remix theme feels a little too safe, compared to say, the Chapter 8 bowser's castle theme from 64. The former doesn't provide the foreboding atmosphere the latter captures to a T. The Riddle Tower is the obvious highlight of the chapter, with its mysterious, ambient music, and with how difficult the puzzles get. I think these puzzles are even better than the ones in my all-time favorite PM chapter (Chapter 7 from 64) because they require some complex thinking and pattern recognition, my favorite being the one that tells you colors that correspond to the order you have to kill the dry bones in. The Shadow Queen fight is excellent, really dark stuff, that promotes the stakes. Chapter 3 is an excellent combat gauntlet that turns into a detective mystery halfway through, a welcome change of pace from the fights, which get a bit monotonous towards the end. I do think that the Macho Grubba fight isn't so great, but the reveal that he's been siphoning off the power of retired fighters to become more powerful was a great twist. I think this chapter is very inventive but I dislike how mind-numbing the first 10 fights of the pit are in their repetitiveness (somewhat staved off by the "conditions" you can follow to make things more interesting). I love Chapter 4. I know a lot of people don't, Cytonox, for the reaosn you mentioned in your video: the backtracking. And that does hamper its placement for me, down to 3rd from 1st, where my heart wants to put it. The gothic, dark atmosphere is excellent, and I love Vivian as a partner and as a character. Her standing up for herself by leaving her abusive sisters and joining Mario is a great moment of character development. I also love how pyschopathic Doopliss is as a villain, turning villagers into pigs for fun. Vivian's fiery jinx came in handy so often my first playthrough, and even on my second playthrough. Doopliss is also my second favorite boss fight in the entire game. I love the fakeout with "you" getting the Ruby Star halfway through the chapter It's excellent. And how you have to get your identity back by guessing Doopliss' name but he stole the letter P so you have to recruit Vivian, who has ALSO been abandoned recently by people closest to her (bonding over her with that). The themes for the Creepy Steeple and Twilight Town are some of the best in the game, not to mention the excellent bell-chime distorted synth insanity of the Doopliss battle theme. If Intelligent Systems had fixed how often you have to backtrack through chapter 4, it would stand as the pinnacle of TTYD for me. Perfect gothic atmosphere, perfect boss fight, great partner and character development, excellent music. Only major flaw is the backtracking, and one major flaw is not enough for it to move down any further than 2nd place. Chapter 6 has very little combat, by contrast, but its writing is top-notch. I loved how if you ignored the ghost's warning and read his diary, you'd get a game over. The mystery with Pennington is hilarious, although it does feel a bit tired as it is aping some concepts from 64's own penguin murder mystery. I think this chapter is a bit too short, and I dislike how the game never explains what exactly the smorgs are, or why they're attacking the train. I also feel like we were cheated of a second Siren sisters + Doopliss fight. Preferably this could've happened during the Riverside station segment to have another "boss" to liven things up from the story-heavy train segments. Still, I think the focus on storytelling is the right move here, as it balances out the "combat heavy" chapter 3, creating a nice equilibrium between the two. Chapter 7 is a uneven chapter, just like 5. But I do think it is at least more original than 5. While the General White fetch quest is irritating, (and made worse by the fact that you can't simply skip it in future playthroughs), I think the Moon and X Naut fortress segments are great areas. The boss fight is good, too, surprisingly, despite being a rehash of a chapter 2 boss. The design is better, and his suck-up-the-audience move has been done now twice before, with Hooktail and Cortez doing it before him. (although I do think Cortez's move is worse, since Von grapple 2.0's is much harder to superguard, deals a ton of damage, and is pretty funny to watch in real time). I have two main critiques of this chapter: 1. The Fahr Outpost section is way too short; it's just two linear rooms, it should've been at least a 4x4 grid like 64's gigantic 7x7 Dry Dry Ruins. I want optional areas to explore in a snow level since I didn't get that in 64's. But instead we just get two short linear hallways and that's very disappointing. I think Chapter 1 is a big improvement over 64's chapter 1. The boss fight is one of the best in the entire game, a great feat for being the first boss in the game. I love the humor of how she "ate a bad cricket once" so she gets weakened just hearing the sound of it. The puzzles are fun, too. And we get to see Ms Mowz for the first time in her "thief" outfit. She's hilarious, one of my favorite NPCs in the game (although not my favorite partner in battle). Chapter 5 is okay. I've exhausted myself talking about my favorite chapters. I don't really have much to say about these last couple. They're decent. Some great ideas. But Chapter 5 is worse than 64's own island chapter. The music is worse, and while I know this is a contentious take, I think Cortez is a worse boss than Lava Piranha, as Cortez is simply too easy and lacks the many moves of Lava Piranha. I also think Chapter 5 in TTYD loses out on originality points, as both take place on an island, the second half has Mario and partners going into a cave, etc. There's a fakeout with the boss being defeated, just like 64's Chapter 5. Lastly, Chapter 2. Unlike you, Cytonox, I do not hate this Chapter. I used to, though, so I fully understand where you're coming from. I think this chapter's greatest strength is in its writing: the Puni grandma is hilarious, how she grows in size when she yells. Although shepherding the punies and using Flurries ability to move them is a pain in the ass, I think the variety in this chapter is underrated. The boss fight, unfortunately, sucks, and is my least favorite in the entire game. The Boggly woods music is peaceful and well-made, and I love the monotone black-and-white aesthetic of the forest area. Flurrie is also an underrated partner, and while her appearance may seem intially garish and unpleasing, I think it works well with what they were going for: an over-the-top actress who is fully "dolled out", ready for her big break.
1:35 You can somewhat turn the odds in your favor... You can use Flurrie's wind power to stun the Jabbies and allow the Punies to attack them. But I do agree, Chapter 2 isn't high on my list in terms of favorites...
I found this channel from the Souls rankings and was stunned to see this ranking series. I adore the first 3 paper marios with this one being tied for my favorite game ever with dark souls 1 and a couple others. Anyway I really enjoyed this video. Wish there was more content on these games.
Considering the fight with the other tribe in chapter 2, I found out that I win every time I use the wind power of the partner you get in this episode on the other tribe
Yeah I heard about this long after I made the video. I think it stun's em' or something. Will make this a bit less miserable on future playthroughs at least
I found out that to easily win, you want to group all your punies before you push in, going in like 1:35 is troll af, cause you line your punies up to get slaughtered.
TTYD Chapters Ranked (I'm one of the few people who doesn't hate every single chapter minus the prologue like almost everyone seems to) Chapter 7 (Worst) Chapter 4 Chapter 1 Chapter 5 Chapter 3 Chapter 6 Chapter 8 Chapter 2 (yes I like Boggly Woods and don't see the issue people have with it, sure its not as interesting, but I quite like it)
Chapter 2 is one that's just hit or miss for most people I think. I know quite a few who hate it like I do, but a decent amount who are into it as well. Thanks for sharing you ranking also, always neat to see what other people think!
@@Cytonox Not really. Its always on people's worst list and they even go as far as to say the design "gives the headaches" or "its so badly design insert overly hyperbolic statement".. lmao
Ranked from Best to Worst. 1. Chapter 3 Grubba is best villain in the game. I love the mystery of the second half. Also the Rawk Hawk fight was hype when I was a kid. It still is now even lol. 2. Chapter 6 I love how relaxing this chapter is. Such a unique atmosphere for a mario game. It’s also a nice break from fighting since the rest of the game has been super combat heavy. 3. Chapter 8 I like long drawn out final dungeons in RPGs, especially ones that have many boss fights. Great variety too with this dungeon. 4. Chapter 5 I like the pirate theme and being stranded on an island. Also Cortez is the coolest looking boss in the game 😎 5. Chapter 4 I love the theming and atmosphere but unfortunately the tedious backtracking hurts this chapter for me. Otherwise it would be higher. 6. Chapter 7 I love storming the x-naut fortress. Mario strolling in with that groovy music playing is just bad*ss not going to lie LOL 7. Chapter 2 I actually don’t hate this chapter. I like the atmosphere of the chapter and the fact that it’s the player’s first real showdown with the x-nauts. 8. Chapter 1 Just a super generic boring chapter for the most part. My younger self honestly put the game down for a week when I first played the chapter due to boredom. Kinda crazy because I was obsessed with Paper mario 64 at the time. Fighting hooktail is fun though. Just like paper Mario 64, I honestly have fun the entire game. Really the only part I dread is backtracking in chapter 4. But unlike chapter 4 from paper mario 64, I much prefer the spooky gothic theme over the toy theme. So it doesn’t ruin the chapter entirely for me.
Honestly chapter 4 ain't that bad it's just scary. Your body LITERALLY gets snatched. I don't get how people don't find this chapter scary but find chapter 6 scary... And chapter 2 is like...my 4th favorite
Yep! I'm scripting it right now as a matter of fact, a bit more than halfway done. It'll be up in about a week, since we're taking this coming Wednesday off to stockpile more uploads
Fun fact: in chapter 3, the baby yoshi refers to you as Mario at one point even though he never knew that was his real name at that point. For the rest of the chapter, he still calls you Gonzales though.
Honestly one thing I really dislike about chapter 2 is the escape sequence. Yeah it’s easy but the timer continues down during the cutscenes and that’s just plain rude.
Great ranking video! I love seeing ranking videos of my favorite games; however, I just want to mention that you can't game over at all in chapter 3, even in the surprise battles, so if you were to lose in that bowser battle you would just go back to the locker room and fight the next opponent. Also just to add on, my ranking would probably be: 8. Chapter 2 7: Chapter 1 6: Chapter 6 5: Chapter 5 4: Chapter 7 3: Chapter 4 2: Chapter 3 1: Chapter 8
Losing the Bowser battle mainly stresses me out cuz you miss out on a lot of star points if you mess up, but yeah it's not a run-breaker or anything. Cool seeing other's lists as always, as usual chapter 4 seems to be the wild card that everyone ranks somewhere different
1. Ch8. This chapter benefits from being all dungeon, no overworld. It isn't burdened by any pacing problems. Just a lot of fun fights and puzzles. 2. Prologue and Ch1. Wonderful first areas. Much more engaging than I'm used to for the opening chapter of an RPG. Great music and setting. Combat is fun right away. 3. Ch 6. The train is awesome, especially the first time, but on repeat playthrough you are spending a lot of time going through the motions without much engaging going on. I love the dungeon, and the absolute "oh my god what" of the boss showing up on the train having kidnapped all the passengers with that manic, tense boss music on top of a moving train might be my most memorable fight in the game. Probably my favorite chapter my first time playing. 4. Ch. 7. It's easy to forgive the early part of this chapter. General white takes a bit, but like you said, you're not forced into a bunch of combat. The moon section doesn't last that long, and the dungeon is fine, if a little hard to navigate because the hallways and doors lack landmarks to remind you where which rooms are. 5. Ch 4. The backtracking is worse here than in any other chapter, but I'm still in love with the setting, music, plot, characters (yay vivian), and I like the creepy steeple. This is where the chapters drop off hard in quality for me. 6. Ch 5. I don't know what you're talking about. The backtracking here is almost as bad as chapter 4. Not as much forced combat, but you still need to go back and forth through a section that has some particular vertical climbing where it's easy to mess up platforming. This chapter also has a less enjoyable setting and music than chapter 4 for me. Even if the dungeon is technically well designed, I get a little bored after a while in the pirate grotto. 7. Ch 3. This chapter is awesome...on your first playthrough. Every time after that it's such a slog. There's so much waiting, and once you're familiar with TTYD's combat, the fights are so trivially easy or monotonous in strategy that I just want the chapter to end. It's so much cutscene, waiting to be told where to go. Unfamiliarity with enemies and strategies, and the mystery of the plot the first time through go a long way to make this chapter enjoyable. On a first time playthrough, this honestly might be my second favorite. 8. Ch 2. The trek to and from flurrie's sucks, and the punies do suck to manage. You should never lose against the jabbies if you help with flurrie though. Yeah, not many redeeming qualities. The woods and music outside the tree are pretty.
Thanks for commenting! I think the big difference between chapter 4 and 5’s backtracking for me is that it is far easier to avoid fights in chapter 5. In the woods in chapter 4 there is almost no escaping the crazee dayzees, especially when you have to turn sideways to fit through the background in that one part. I might like chapter 4 more if I went back and played it now though, it does have a ton of great stuff in there buried under the muck
@@Cytonox No problem. You made a good video. The other thing that redeems chapter 4's backtracking a little for me is that it serves a narrative and gameplay purpose the first couple of times. You feel so much weaker trying to deal with encounters without your party members, and it helps you connect with and appreciate Vivian when you have her to help you, which is why I suspect that the enemies being so impossible to avoid was an intentional choice. The difference in gameplay is valuable in making you feel the impact of abandonment and being alienated, which helps you empathize with Vivian.
Glad you dig our channel! Someday that may indeed be in the cards, Origami King was definitely the best game post-SPM and I enjoyed it well enough -Alex
always nice to see someone appreciate chapter 2. it's got hilarious writing and i love the imminent bomb explosion countdown. I also love chapter 4, 6 and 3, and consider them to be in the top 4 best chaptters of TTYD. I guess you didn't like Chapter 8 so much, any reason why? I love the riddle tower section and the shadow queen and bowser fights.
Here's my list. 8. Chapter 2 (Annoying Punies really do drag this down to the bottom. I don't hate it, but I agree it's the worst chapter out of the Holy PM trinity) 7. Chapter 7 (I legit think General White's backtracking was horrendous the 1st time without using a guide; tells you where to go but not who to talk to. And in Twilight Town, he just says "Looks tired" and doesn't quite tell you he's back home. Also, Out Post is kind of a generic ice area and the Moon is annoying, with the legit most annoying enemies in the game that can't be avoided) 6. Chapter 4 (I would have considered putting this a spot lower due to back tracking through Twilight Trail happening 5 times, and enemies there are also amongst the most annoying in the game there too. And since you're at a lower level, that also means less badge points or FP for Earthquake attacks and this is before Bobbery blows off Cleft defense. Also, no partner the 2nd traverse. Vivian's arc makes up for that and Doopliss with your 4 partners is fun) 5. Chapter 1 (Yeah, I had more fun playing through Paper Mario 64's chapter 1, which was still at the bottom of that game's) 4. Chapter 8 (Sure the boss fights are awesome, and it fan services the best moments of chapters 1, 2, and 4, but there are plenty of sections that are just lengthy hallways and doesn't quite have the charm of the next three and is still nothing but dungeon stuff and boss fights) 3. Chapter 6 (There may not be much combat, but the detective business was really fun, it has the best feeling of scenery and peacefulness, and the stop at the station is also one of the best platforming moments in the game) 2. Chapter 5 (I really love the pirate and island themes and there are a lot of fun enemies and fun stuff here. Admiral Bobbery also really steals the show here. And Cortez is also my favorite boss fight in the game) 1. Chapter 3 (I don't really need to say much, other than I really love martial arts tournaments. And Rawk Hawk is like the best new character in this game)
(Including the prologue) My list would look something like this. #9: Prologue #8: Chapter 2 #7: Chapter 1 #6: Chapter 4 #5: Chapter 8 #4: Chapter 7 #3: Chapter 3 #2: Chapter 6 #1: Chapter 5 (which is also my favorite in the series)
Interesting list, rare to see chapter 5 so high I think. My series favorite is Chapter 7 of Paper Mario 64 probably. Seems we're more or less on the same page other than swapping chapters 5 and 8 roughly. I can see why you'd dig it if you don't mind the slower opening with lots of jungle back and forth stuff.
Here’s my list: 1.) Chapter 4 2.) Chapter 8 3.) Chapter 5 4.) Chapter 6 5.) Chapter 7 6.) Chapter 3 7.) Chapter 1 8.) Chapter 2 I know I’m pretty much alone in having Chapter 4 so high and Chapter 3 so low. In my opinion (I’m not saying my opinion is right whatsoever), I think it’s hypocritical to complain about enemies in Chapter 4 (even IF they’re frustrating) in comparison to Chapter 3 which is almost entirely an enemy gauntlet. Not to mention the setting is also way smaller than Chapter 4, and there’s backtracking present within Chapter 3 too (albeit paced a ton better). I just think it’s an unfair comparison.
I think Chapter 3 has far better enemy variety than chapter 4, and the pretext of a fighting championship makes the fights more interesting to me than just random bullshit that attacks me on the same route over and over. I can see where you’re coming from though
I find it interesting how the fan favorite Paper Mario game is also the one that has the most inconsistent set of chapters in the series, with both of the best and worst.
Tttyd is hella overrated. Not worth 200 bucks. N64 paper Mario is the best one. I just played it the other day after 20 years…………. After 20 years I still remember all the maps all the secrets etc. I don’t remember much about the ttyd
@@chilogutierrez4166 definitely not worth 200 at all but i still prefer it over 64, both for gameplay and settings. i think they’re both fantastic games however and dearly miss the series we used to know as paper mario
wow. i can't believe that chapter 6 is ranked so high and it *not* being for the smorg fight?? damn. somehow i really feel alone in my opinion that the silence on day 3 is my favorite part of the chapter and the whole game.
I love this game and I understand everything about chapter 2 but lol i just recently played this game im currently on chapter 4 but when i played chapter 2 I finished itnpretty fast and did everything first try lol
@@Cytonox idk why because both the 64 and ganecube versions are too for me, but I think they both far surpass the rest but I think I might still stick with 1,000 year door. I’m replaying both so going to compare might change my mind
If Cortez is Spanish, and Mario is Italian, then I'd like to think Bobbery is Scottish or has a Navy-like accent. As for Lord Crump, I like to imagine him as German or Russian, basically the TF2 Heavy. Although the bobombs in Fahr Outpost are definitely Russian accent sounding by how their dialogue is read as.
My list for paper mario thousand year door chapter 8. Chapter 2 7. Chapter 1 6. Chapter 4 5. Chapter 7 4. Chapter 5 3. Chapter 6 2. Chapter 8 has my favorite boss in the game and series which is shadow queen. 1. Chapter 3 second favortie chapter in the series.
Alex here, seems like we're pretty much on the same page! Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite chapter in the series? Mine is chapter 7 from Paper Mario 64. Edit: Just saw your other comment on our Super Paper Mario video. Chapter 8 is definitely pretty great in SPM!
i really loved chapter 4 and was my fav chapter as a kid, i hated the backtracking SO much, but in terms of story it was the most interesting for me, i just wish they had found a way to expand the story and gameplay time without making you go back and forth and back and forth
I always hear people praising this game and calling it perfect and flawless nice to see someone not acting like it’s perfect or whatnot still a amazing game though but there’s soooooo much backtracking it’s hilarious and you could’ve easily gotten away by saying every area is amazing
Chapter 3 is my fave and all time fave chapter from the series. I hate chapter one tbh hooktail bothers me and this chapter was so boring and Generic and I understand that it’s the first chapter but still. Chapter four is also one of my least faves aside from having Vivian. Also good list
"I lost this fight with the jabbies 4 times!"
*Is literally just jumping in one spot doing nothing*
Funfact about Chapter 3:
In the German version mario has the name “Bomber Luigi”
I Hope, that if they remake this game, that they will make the Puney part a lot better! My suggestions:
-give Mario something like a whistle, so all of them will come to him
-make them move a little faster
My suggestions to change Chapter 4:
-just decrease backtracking (1/2 times would be alright)
-I would love seeing a bigger ghost mansion and more exploring
Also I would love seeing some other changes:
-give us more of a sky city like in Chapter 3, maybe a whole theme park, idk but I think it would match
-Chapter 5: I would love having more islands to explore and to experience more of the pirate stuff
-Chapter 7: more of the moon, better balancing for the gravity
-A playable version of Luigi’s Story
Great suggestions, I’m with you on all of these. Thats the thing with the “bad chapters” here, they could become AMAZING if they were tweaked a bit. Chapter 2 has incredible art design for instance, if the punies were less annoying (like with the whistle) it would be far less cumbersome. Chapter 4, just having a different route or something to the chapel would go a long ways. Good analysis!
@@Cytonox thanks! I really loved this game (it’s actually my favourite game of all times!). But I don’t get, why Nintendo isn’t making a remake to it? I mean they have been remaking so many amazing games
@@SonicGamerLP They're pouring all their resources and efforts into tears of kingdom, but I think afterwards, we'll see more remakes and remasters like Prime Remastered
Well I’ve got some news for u lmao the remake is happening
It’s coming
I will never forget the moment my jaw dropped when I found out Mario was turned into a shadow. Surprised the shit out of me
1. Chapter 8
2. Chapter 3
3. Chapter 4
4. Chapter 6
5. Chapter 7
6. Chapter 1
7. Chapter 5
8. Chapter 2
The gothic atmosphere found in "For Pigs the Bell Tolls" is done almost as well in the much longer "final trial" of the game in the Palace of Shadow, as well as having three excellent boss fights (Gloomtail, Bowser + Kammy Koopa and Shadow Queen). I love final dungeons that test your combat abilities to the limit, as well as puzzles that require you to employ every partner you have at your disposal. The dungeon design has never been better than TTYD's chapter 8. If I had one gripe about the chapter, it's that the underground SMB1 remix theme feels a little too safe, compared to say, the Chapter 8 bowser's castle theme from 64. The former doesn't provide the foreboding atmosphere the latter captures to a T. The Riddle Tower is the obvious highlight of the chapter, with its mysterious, ambient music, and with how difficult the puzzles get. I think these puzzles are even better than the ones in my all-time favorite PM chapter (Chapter 7 from 64) because they require some complex thinking and pattern recognition, my favorite being the one that tells you colors that correspond to the order you have to kill the dry bones in. The Shadow Queen fight is excellent, really dark stuff, that promotes the stakes.
Chapter 3 is an excellent combat gauntlet that turns into a detective mystery halfway through, a welcome change of pace from the fights, which get a bit monotonous towards the end. I do think that the Macho Grubba fight isn't so great, but the reveal that he's been siphoning off the power of retired fighters to become more powerful was a great twist. I think this chapter is very inventive but I dislike how mind-numbing the first 10 fights of the pit are in their repetitiveness (somewhat staved off by the "conditions" you can follow to make things more interesting).
I love Chapter 4. I know a lot of people don't, Cytonox, for the reaosn you mentioned in your video: the backtracking. And that does hamper its placement for me, down to 3rd from 1st, where my heart wants to put it. The gothic, dark atmosphere is excellent, and I love Vivian as a partner and as a character. Her standing up for herself by leaving her abusive sisters and joining Mario is a great moment of character development. I also love how pyschopathic Doopliss is as a villain, turning villagers into pigs for fun. Vivian's fiery jinx came in handy so often my first playthrough, and even on my second playthrough. Doopliss is also my second favorite boss fight in the entire game. I love the fakeout with "you" getting the Ruby Star halfway through the chapter It's excellent. And how you have to get your identity back by guessing Doopliss' name but he stole the letter P so you have to recruit Vivian, who has ALSO been abandoned recently by people closest to her (bonding over her with that). The themes for the Creepy Steeple and Twilight Town are some of the best in the game, not to mention the excellent bell-chime distorted synth insanity of the Doopliss battle theme. If Intelligent Systems had fixed how often you have to backtrack through chapter 4, it would stand as the pinnacle of TTYD for me. Perfect gothic atmosphere, perfect boss fight, great partner and character development, excellent music. Only major flaw is the backtracking, and one major flaw is not enough for it to move down any further than 2nd place.
Chapter 6 has very little combat, by contrast, but its writing is top-notch. I loved how if you ignored the ghost's warning and read his diary, you'd get a game over. The mystery with Pennington is hilarious, although it does feel a bit tired as it is aping some concepts from 64's own penguin murder mystery. I think this chapter is a bit too short, and I dislike how the game never explains what exactly the smorgs are, or why they're attacking the train. I also feel like we were cheated of a second Siren sisters + Doopliss fight. Preferably this could've happened during the Riverside station segment to have another "boss" to liven things up from the story-heavy train segments. Still, I think the focus on storytelling is the right move here, as it balances out the "combat heavy" chapter 3, creating a nice equilibrium between the two.
Chapter 7 is a uneven chapter, just like 5. But I do think it is at least more original than 5. While the General White fetch quest is irritating, (and made worse by the fact that you can't simply skip it in future playthroughs), I think the Moon and X Naut fortress segments are great areas. The boss fight is good, too, surprisingly, despite being a rehash of a chapter 2 boss. The design is better, and his suck-up-the-audience move has been done now twice before, with Hooktail and Cortez doing it before him. (although I do think Cortez's move is worse, since Von grapple 2.0's is much harder to superguard, deals a ton of damage, and is pretty funny to watch in real time). I have two main critiques of this chapter: 1. The Fahr Outpost section is way too short; it's just two linear rooms, it should've been at least a 4x4 grid like 64's gigantic 7x7 Dry Dry Ruins. I want optional areas to explore in a snow level since I didn't get that in 64's. But instead we just get two short linear hallways and that's very disappointing.
I think Chapter 1 is a big improvement over 64's chapter 1. The boss fight is one of the best in the entire game, a great feat for being the first boss in the game. I love the humor of how she "ate a bad cricket once" so she gets weakened just hearing the sound of it. The puzzles are fun, too. And we get to see Ms Mowz for the first time in her "thief" outfit. She's hilarious, one of my favorite NPCs in the game (although not my favorite partner in battle).
Chapter 5 is okay. I've exhausted myself talking about my favorite chapters. I don't really have much to say about these last couple. They're decent. Some great ideas. But Chapter 5 is worse than 64's own island chapter. The music is worse, and while I know this is a contentious take, I think Cortez is a worse boss than Lava Piranha, as Cortez is simply too easy and lacks the many moves of Lava Piranha. I also think Chapter 5 in TTYD loses out on originality points, as both take place on an island, the second half has Mario and partners going into a cave, etc. There's a fakeout with the boss being defeated, just like 64's Chapter 5.
Lastly, Chapter 2. Unlike you, Cytonox, I do not hate this Chapter. I used to, though, so I fully understand where you're coming from. I think this chapter's greatest strength is in its writing: the Puni grandma is hilarious, how she grows in size when she yells. Although shepherding the punies and using Flurries ability to move them is a pain in the ass, I think the variety in this chapter is underrated. The boss fight, unfortunately, sucks, and is my least favorite in the entire game. The Boggly woods music is peaceful and well-made, and I love the monotone black-and-white aesthetic of the forest area. Flurrie is also an underrated partner, and while her appearance may seem intially garish and unpleasing, I think it works well with what they were going for: an over-the-top actress who is fully "dolled out", ready for her big break.
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1:35 You can somewhat turn the odds in your favor... You can use Flurrie's wind power to stun the Jabbies and allow the Punies to attack them. But I do agree, Chapter 2 isn't high on my list in terms of favorites...
I found this channel from the Souls rankings and was stunned to see this ranking series. I adore the first 3 paper marios with this one being tied for my favorite game ever with dark souls 1 and a couple others. Anyway I really enjoyed this video. Wish there was more content on these games.
Considering the fight with the other tribe in chapter 2, I found out that I win every time I use the wind power of the partner you get in this episode on the other tribe
Yeah I heard about this long after I made the video. I think it stun's em' or something. Will make this a bit less miserable on future playthroughs at least
@@Cytonox I usually use my hammer on them and it seems to work (never lost yet)
@@TheTrueThanos hammering does nothing to them, youre just winning cuz you have 1 more puni than there are jabbies
@@santaisreal I understand the importance of the punies
I found out that to easily win, you want to group all your punies before you push in, going in like 1:35 is troll af, cause you line your punies up to get slaughtered.
Great vid lads
alright i guess its my turn
1: Chapter 6
2: Chapter 3
3: Chapter 8
4: Chapter 7
5: Chapter 5
6: Chapter 2
7: Chapter 4
8: Chapter 1
Dude what you said about Flurrie being an eye sore I completely agree I never have her active at all.
I remember being a kid and my mom seeing and asking me “Alex what IS that thing!”. To this day I have never used her more than necessary lol
TTYD Chapters Ranked (I'm one of the few people who doesn't hate every single chapter minus the prologue like almost everyone seems to)
Chapter 7 (Worst)
Chapter 4
Chapter 1
Chapter 5
Chapter 3
Chapter 6
Chapter 8
Chapter 2 (yes I like Boggly Woods and don't see the issue people have with it, sure its not as interesting, but I quite like it)
Chapter 2 is one that's just hit or miss for most people I think. I know quite a few who hate it like I do, but a decent amount who are into it as well. Thanks for sharing you ranking also, always neat to see what other people think!
@@Cytonox I don't understand the dislike for Chapter 2, like at all. But regardless I guess just different strokes.
@@Cytonox Not really. Its always on people's worst list and they even go as far as to say the design "gives the headaches" or "its so badly design insert overly hyperbolic statement".. lmao
Ranked from Best to Worst.
1. Chapter 3
Grubba is best villain in the game. I love the mystery of the second half. Also the Rawk Hawk fight was hype when I was a kid. It still is now even lol.
2. Chapter 6
I love how relaxing this chapter is. Such a unique atmosphere for a mario game. It’s also a nice break from fighting since the rest of the game has been super combat heavy.
3. Chapter 8
I like long drawn out final dungeons in RPGs, especially ones that have many boss fights. Great variety too with this dungeon.
4. Chapter 5
I like the pirate theme and being stranded on an island. Also Cortez is the coolest looking boss in the game 😎
5. Chapter 4
I love the theming and atmosphere but unfortunately the tedious backtracking hurts this chapter for me. Otherwise it would be higher.
6. Chapter 7
I love storming the x-naut fortress. Mario strolling in with that groovy music playing is just bad*ss not going to lie LOL
7. Chapter 2
I actually don’t hate this chapter. I like the atmosphere of the chapter and the fact that it’s the player’s first real showdown with the x-nauts.
8. Chapter 1
Just a super generic boring chapter for the most part. My younger self honestly put the game down for a week when I first played the chapter due to boredom. Kinda crazy because I was obsessed with Paper mario 64 at the time. Fighting hooktail is fun though.
Just like paper Mario 64, I honestly have fun the entire game. Really the only part I dread is backtracking in chapter 4. But unlike chapter 4 from paper mario 64, I much prefer the spooky gothic theme over the toy theme. So it doesn’t ruin the chapter entirely for me.
Honestly chapter 4 ain't that bad it's just scary. Your body LITERALLY gets snatched. I don't get how people don't find this chapter scary but find chapter 6 scary...
And chapter 2 is like...my 4th favorite
I finished this game for the 1st time yesterday. I'm glad to know I'm not alone in getting mad at chapter 2 and loving chapter 3.
Great video! I pretty much agree. SPM next?
Yep! I'm scripting it right now as a matter of fact, a bit more than halfway done. It'll be up in about a week, since we're taking this coming Wednesday off to stockpile more uploads
Fun fact: in chapter 3, the baby yoshi refers to you as Mario at one point even though he never knew that was his real name at that point. For the rest of the chapter, he still calls you Gonzales though.
Honestly one thing I really dislike about chapter 2 is the escape sequence. Yeah it’s easy but the timer continues down during the cutscenes and that’s just plain rude.
Great ranking video! I love seeing ranking videos of my favorite games; however, I just want to mention that you can't game over at all in chapter 3, even in the surprise battles, so if you were to lose in that bowser battle you would just go back to the locker room and fight the next opponent.
Also just to add on, my ranking would probably be:
8. Chapter 2
7: Chapter 1
6: Chapter 6
5: Chapter 5
4: Chapter 7
3: Chapter 4
2: Chapter 3
1: Chapter 8
Losing the Bowser battle mainly stresses me out cuz you miss out on a lot of star points if you mess up, but yeah it's not a run-breaker or anything. Cool seeing other's lists as always, as usual chapter 4 seems to be the wild card that everyone ranks somewhere different
In chapter 2 u can blow the
Jabies to stun em
Didn't know this, that's handy info-Alex
You can assist the jabbi fight with the hammer and you usually win when you do.
1. Ch8. This chapter benefits from being all dungeon, no overworld. It isn't burdened by any pacing problems. Just a lot of fun fights and puzzles.
2. Prologue and Ch1. Wonderful first areas. Much more engaging than I'm used to for the opening chapter of an RPG. Great music and setting. Combat is fun right away.
3. Ch 6. The train is awesome, especially the first time, but on repeat playthrough you are spending a lot of time going through the motions without much engaging going on. I love the dungeon, and the absolute "oh my god what" of the boss showing up on the train having kidnapped all the passengers with that manic, tense boss music on top of a moving train might be my most memorable fight in the game. Probably my favorite chapter my first time playing.
4. Ch. 7. It's easy to forgive the early part of this chapter. General white takes a bit, but like you said, you're not forced into a bunch of combat. The moon section doesn't last that long, and the dungeon is fine, if a little hard to navigate because the hallways and doors lack landmarks to remind you where which rooms are.
5. Ch 4. The backtracking is worse here than in any other chapter, but I'm still in love with the setting, music, plot, characters (yay vivian), and I like the creepy steeple. This is where the chapters drop off hard in quality for me.
6. Ch 5. I don't know what you're talking about. The backtracking here is almost as bad as chapter 4. Not as much forced combat, but you still need to go back and forth through a section that has some particular vertical climbing where it's easy to mess up platforming. This chapter also has a less enjoyable setting and music than chapter 4 for me. Even if the dungeon is technically well designed, I get a little bored after a while in the pirate grotto.
7. Ch 3. This chapter is awesome...on your first playthrough. Every time after that it's such a slog. There's so much waiting, and once you're familiar with TTYD's combat, the fights are so trivially easy or monotonous in strategy that I just want the chapter to end. It's so much cutscene, waiting to be told where to go. Unfamiliarity with enemies and strategies, and the mystery of the plot the first time through go a long way to make this chapter enjoyable. On a first time playthrough, this honestly might be my second favorite.
8. Ch 2. The trek to and from flurrie's sucks, and the punies do suck to manage. You should never lose against the jabbies if you help with flurrie though. Yeah, not many redeeming qualities. The woods and music outside the tree are pretty.
Thanks for commenting! I think the big difference between chapter 4 and 5’s backtracking for me is that it is far easier to avoid fights in chapter 5. In the woods in chapter 4 there is almost no escaping the crazee dayzees, especially when you have to turn sideways to fit through the background in that one part. I might like chapter 4 more if I went back and played it now though, it does have a ton of great stuff in there buried under the muck
@@Cytonox No problem. You made a good video. The other thing that redeems chapter 4's backtracking a little for me is that it serves a narrative and gameplay purpose the first couple of times. You feel so much weaker trying to deal with encounters without your party members, and it helps you connect with and appreciate Vivian when you have her to help you, which is why I suspect that the enemies being so impossible to avoid was an intentional choice. The difference in gameplay is valuable in making you feel the impact of abandonment and being alienated, which helps you empathize with Vivian.
I started playing this again recently. The fact that my emulator keeps crashing in chapter 2 is saying something.
Great videos guys, been watching everything on your channel! Would love to see origami king chapters ranked.
Glad you dig our channel! Someday that may indeed be in the cards, Origami King was definitely the best game post-SPM and I enjoyed it well enough
-Alex
My list:
8. Chapter 7
7. Chapter 1
6. Chapter 8
5. Chapter 5
4. Chapter 2
3. Chapter 4
2. Chapter 6
1. Chapter 3
always nice to see someone appreciate chapter 2. it's got hilarious writing and i love the imminent bomb explosion countdown. I also love chapter 4, 6 and 3, and consider them to be in the top 4 best chaptters of TTYD. I guess you didn't like Chapter 8 so much, any reason why? I love the riddle tower section and the shadow queen and bowser fights.
@@BL-mf3jp Chapter 8 is fine, but I prefer the chapters that have more of a story rather than one big long dungeon
Here's my list.
8. Chapter 2 (Annoying Punies really do drag this down to the bottom. I don't hate it, but I agree it's the worst chapter out of the Holy PM trinity)
7. Chapter 7 (I legit think General White's backtracking was horrendous the 1st time without using a guide; tells you where to go but not who to talk to. And in Twilight Town, he just says "Looks tired" and doesn't quite tell you he's back home. Also, Out Post is kind of a generic ice area and the Moon is annoying, with the legit most annoying enemies in the game that can't be avoided)
6. Chapter 4 (I would have considered putting this a spot lower due to back tracking through Twilight Trail happening 5 times, and enemies there are also amongst the most annoying in the game there too. And since you're at a lower level, that also means less badge points or FP for Earthquake attacks and this is before Bobbery blows off Cleft defense. Also, no partner the 2nd traverse. Vivian's arc makes up for that and Doopliss with your 4 partners is fun)
5. Chapter 1 (Yeah, I had more fun playing through Paper Mario 64's chapter 1, which was still at the bottom of that game's)
4. Chapter 8 (Sure the boss fights are awesome, and it fan services the best moments of chapters 1, 2, and 4, but there are plenty of sections that are just lengthy hallways and doesn't quite have the charm of the next three and is still nothing but dungeon stuff and boss fights)
3. Chapter 6 (There may not be much combat, but the detective business was really fun, it has the best feeling of scenery and peacefulness, and the stop at the station is also one of the best platforming moments in the game)
2. Chapter 5 (I really love the pirate and island themes and there are a lot of fun enemies and fun stuff here. Admiral Bobbery also really steals the show here. And Cortez is also my favorite boss fight in the game)
1. Chapter 3 (I don't really need to say much, other than I really love martial arts tournaments. And Rawk Hawk is like the best new character in this game)
Each Main Chapter represents a Capital Sin:
1- Gluttony
2- Wrath
3- Envy
4- Pride
5- Greed
6- Lust
7- Sloth
tbh I really doubt this is really intentional, although it is funny that I can totally see this lol
(Including the prologue) My list would look something like this.
#9: Prologue
#8: Chapter 2
#7: Chapter 1
#6: Chapter 4
#5: Chapter 8
#4: Chapter 7
#3: Chapter 3
#2: Chapter 6
#1: Chapter 5 (which is also my favorite in the series)
Interesting list, rare to see chapter 5 so high I think. My series favorite is Chapter 7 of Paper Mario 64 probably. Seems we're more or less on the same page other than swapping chapters 5 and 8 roughly. I can see why you'd dig it if you don't mind the slower opening with lots of jungle back and forth stuff.
They fixed the Puni AI a lot in the remake
Here’s my list:
1.) Chapter 4
2.) Chapter 8
3.) Chapter 5
4.) Chapter 6
5.) Chapter 7
6.) Chapter 3
7.) Chapter 1
8.) Chapter 2
I know I’m pretty much alone in having Chapter 4 so high and Chapter 3 so low.
In my opinion (I’m not saying my opinion is right whatsoever), I think it’s hypocritical to complain about enemies in Chapter 4 (even IF they’re frustrating) in comparison to Chapter 3 which is almost entirely an enemy gauntlet. Not to mention the setting is also way smaller than Chapter 4, and there’s backtracking present within Chapter 3 too (albeit paced a ton better). I just think it’s an unfair comparison.
To be fair, I also don’t hate any Chapter in this series. I think the game is a masterpiece with all its positives really outweighing the negatives.
I think Chapter 3 has far better enemy variety than chapter 4, and the pretext of a fighting championship makes the fights more interesting to me than just random bullshit that attacks me on the same route over and over. I can see where you’re coming from though
I find it interesting how the fan favorite Paper Mario game is also the one that has the most inconsistent set of chapters in the series, with both of the best and worst.
Tttyd is hella overrated. Not worth 200 bucks. N64 paper Mario is the best one. I just played it the other day after 20 years…………. After 20 years I still remember all the maps all the secrets etc. I don’t remember much about the ttyd
@@chilogutierrez4166 definitely not worth 200 at all but i still prefer it over 64, both for gameplay and settings. i think they’re both fantastic games however and dearly miss the series we used to know as paper mario
People who think Origami King is a return to form are coping hard, IMO it’s just over and Nintendo is never going to do right by it ever again tbh
@@Cytonox that's why Bug Fables exists
@@hello-mv6yg I own that game, been meaning to play it eventually
wow. i can't believe that chapter 6 is ranked so high and it *not* being for the smorg fight?? damn. somehow i really feel alone in my opinion that the silence on day 3 is my favorite part of the chapter and the whole game.
My list:
8: Chapter 2
7: Chapter 1
6: Chapter 7
5: Chapter 6
4: Chapter 8
3: Chapter 4
2: Chapter 3
1: Chapter 5
I love this game and I understand everything about chapter 2 but lol i just recently played this game im currently on chapter 4 but when i played chapter 2 I finished itnpretty fast and did everything first try lol
One of my all time favorites, maybe favorite Mario game
I prefer the first paper mario for a few reasons (shorter chapters, spin dashing, etc) but this is still definitely a great game for sure
@@Cytonox idk why because both the 64 and ganecube versions are too for me, but I think they both far surpass the rest but I think I might still stick with 1,000 year door. I’m replaying both so going to compare might change my mind
epic
If Cortez is Spanish, and Mario is Italian, then I'd like to think Bobbery is Scottish or has a Navy-like accent. As for Lord Crump, I like to imagine him as German or Russian, basically the TF2 Heavy. Although the bobombs in Fahr Outpost are definitely Russian accent sounding by how their dialogue is read as.
My list for paper mario thousand year door chapter
8. Chapter 2
7. Chapter 1
6. Chapter 4
5. Chapter 7
4. Chapter 5
3. Chapter 6
2. Chapter 8 has my favorite boss in the game and series which is shadow queen.
1. Chapter 3 second favortie chapter in the series.
Alex here, seems like we're pretty much on the same page! Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite chapter in the series? Mine is chapter 7 from Paper Mario 64.
Edit: Just saw your other comment on our Super Paper Mario video. Chapter 8 is definitely pretty great in SPM!
@@Cytonox Chapter 8 from super paper mario the music is pefrect for a final level.
i really loved chapter 4 and was my fav chapter as a kid, i hated the backtracking SO much, but in terms of story it was the most interesting for me, i just wish they had found a way to expand the story and gameplay time without making you go back and forth and back and forth
Chapter 1,3,4,5 are top tier.
I always hear people praising this game and calling it perfect and flawless nice to see someone not acting like it’s perfect or whatnot still a amazing game though but there’s soooooo much backtracking it’s hilarious and you could’ve easily gotten away by saying every area is amazing
I really like chapter 6 i think the only problem it’s too similar to the chapter 7 murder mystery from the first game
i had some lag on my emulator for the entire chapter aand it made it twice as slow and annoying
Chapter 3 is my fave and all time fave chapter from the series. I hate chapter one tbh hooktail bothers me and this chapter was so boring and Generic and I understand that it’s the first chapter but still. Chapter four is also one of my least faves aside from having Vivian. Also good list
Flurrie is pretty garbage tbh
finally someone who finds chapter 4 overated
My list:
8. Chapter 1
7. Chapter 7
6. Chapter 4
5. Chapter 2
4. Chapter 8
3. Chapter 5
2. Chapter 6
1. Chapter 3