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My Roland fp30x has been delivered 3 hours ago, right at the moment when you have published this video. It’s like „11 reasons why I have made a right choice“ for me. Thank you so much for the video 🤗
Very well put together Jeremy! I feel the FP - 30X is a better choice for those intending to play classical piano pieces by Mozart, Beethoven, etc. The Bluetooth Midi function is something really unique & useful as players don't have to carry their midi cables around. The DGX - 670 is a better choice for those who would love to play their favourite songs with super realistic voices and accompaniment. Another advantage is that the DGX - 670 comes with the 'Adaptive Style' feature that arranges accompaniment to suit the mood of the music.
I don't know. I love playing classical on my DGX. Haven't tried the FP30X yet, however I did try the HP702 with that PHA4 action and I much prefer the action on my DGX670🎹🎶
Between now and 2 hours from now, my FP-30X is gonna be delivered and I am beyond excited. I've never really been able to stick with learning the piano, because I used to have a cheap keyboard that I just didn't enjoy the sound of. With the amount of money I invested in this, I'm dedicated to start learning and be consistent.
Good ! Glad you are getting to the point of no return ! I had free intro organ lessons at new music store when I was about 6 or 7 . Dad never bought lessons past the free ones & I have wanted to play since 1959 ! Finally have the time at 70 years old & I am encouraged by your enthusiasm ! See you at The Met ! ! Nick , NavyBlueSmoke LST-1195
I almost don’t care about extra sounds, playing the roland fp30x made me happy to be alive in 2021, it connects with the Soul, I played for 1 hr in the store and forgot where I was…
I have it and it's really cool, but damned, the bluetooth midi experience is so bad. You need to reset the bluetooth, unpairing the piano everytime you start the app or the piano. It's so frustrating.
Team Yamaha. I own the DGX-650, and I love the versatility. It can do so much, and the 670 is even better. The key action might not be THE BEST, but it's still quite realistic. I don't miss an acoustic piano for a second. If the only thing you care about is piano, get the Roland. But you can have so much more fun on the Yamaha.
Hi Jeremy I agree on all points excepted that if I had to choose, as a composer, I would certainly buy the DGX670 because of its numerous sounds and effects, styles and arranging functions. Are you going to foot another video to explain why the DGX 670 is a better choice than the Roland FP-30X for pianists wishing to compose and arrange songs? Have a nice Sunday 😎🌈
Agree, but... if you’re a composer you probably use a daw and a midi controller, but maybe you compose effects, etc live on the piano, normally that stuff comes in on the daw after composing the basics but yeah, I can kinda understand your point
I just bought the DGX-670 for my family entertainment. I love it. The best feature of DGX is the Bluetooth facility. I play my favorite songs from Spotify, connected to the DGX then I follow the band and the singer. Made me feel like playing music and sing together with them. Duet with Fank Sinatra - My Way :). It's a best way also to learn a song (chord and melody). Thanks
If anyone need only piano they can go for Rolland... But I need electric keyboard, 88keys piano, styles, vocal input, all those stuff together in dgx 670...
I played with all of the sounds on the FP-30x and the sounds I liked the most are the first sounds you get by pressing the first key and I can use it with my computer so it was still worth the price to me. I love how deep and warm the first Piano setting sounds and I like one of the old piano sounds on it too. I also have a M Audio Oxygen 49 which has knobs and sliders which are great for mixing. I would say that some inexpensive midi keyboards can be good for music production because of all the knobs and sliders.
If you want a PIANO with a smattering of additional sounds the Roland rocks. If you want great piano sound, not as good as the Roland, but hundreds of additonal patches, rhythm, accompaniments and a pretty decent keyboard get a Yamaha.
I already play Pianoteq Pro powered by a Casio PX-150 with hi-res MIDI and triple sensors. From a key bed perspective it seems Yamaha could be a step down. That said, I think the arranger features of the DGX would be fun for me. As 78 year old pianist, I can fool around with just playing melodies and using the auto-accompaniment styles feature. While there are negatives to the DGX-670, I think I will go ahead with it. Of all the digital slab pianos on the market today I would actually prefer the Roland fp90x, but it is even heavier than the DGX and costs 2.5 x's more. Given that I already have a good digital piano set-up, the question is do I need to spend money on another piano at all?
I'm only buying an beginner model for my kids, I don't know how to play piano at all but his video is really fun to watch while I'm eating some chicken and beer.
I would like to see you do a comparison between the Yamaha P515 and the DGX-670. These two keyboards seem to be much more similar than the Roland FP-30x vx DGX-670.
I love how straightforward you are and start right away with the verdict at the beginning, so i can start googling the price as i was watching your video 😂😂 most vloggers just try to drag out the verdict at the end 😤
Not quite an apples to apples comparison, but everything Jeremy says here is sound. I still like the Yamaha's piano sound a bit more but at this point, Roland's piano qualities and timbre changes and dynamic control is closer to an acoustic experience than Yamaha's. However, if you want a low-priced piano arranger, the DGX-670 is quite a good value. Yamaha just simply needs to update their action on their lower end and start adding value because Roland and Casio really give you a lot of bang for the buck. And Roland is the bigger challenger because their name is big in the industry as professional instruments while Casio is still struggling to be seen as a major player in the middle and higher markets (though they should be, IMO).
it's worth noting that if glossy/untextured keys bother you, you can quite easily scuff them up with a very fine/high grit of sandpaper. but I'm talking VERY high grits, i'd be looking at something like maybe 1200. you can always go down or up a grit depending on the result. it may void your warranty, but worth considering
@@JeremySee i had not noticed it in the description ,i had allready downloades flowkey but i think i will also get a teacher so i can also learn theory
Hi jeremy, Hi thank you for your demonstration very nice, I am an owner of a Roland G1000 and sadly the LCD is fading and I can't find a part, so I am looking for another portable keyboard, what my dilemma is I have always used the GS MIDI via the floppy discs for backing me up as a one man band, I realise that is very old technology, I am wondering as you say the Roland plays midi can I download all my midi files to a USB and plug it into the keyboard for playback as I dont want to mess with Ipads ect. or do you know of another model of any brand that can do this, your advice would be great await your reply with thanks Kind regards Noeline
Glad to hear about the hammer effects on the Yamaha. Now I know I am not the only one. I can really notice the big difference between my Acustic Jun109 and the GDX. Yes I agree I not comparing apples to apples but, I also have a very low quality digital piano from Alexis and the keys effects are much better than the other digital Yamaha. Yamaha makes greats digital pianos but they need to level up their key effects. Thank you.
i just saved up, and bought the fp-30x as my first piano. I was going to go with the fp-10 but they were out of stock and after looking further into it i saw that the fp-30 was being upgrade, so i am really looking for to it's arrival
@@luis.barragan the small extra price is worth every penny, you will enjoy it. i also recommend the reviews of Merriam Music with Stu on the FP30X, the comparison with the Casio 3000 is interesting.
GREAT REVIEW! WHICH OF THE TWO HAS A BETTER ACTION? SWEETWATER SALES PERSON SAID YAMAHA DGX 670 HAS BETTER ACTION? AND WHAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A BABY GRAND? THANKS!
Hi Jeremy, thank you for this very helpful comparison. I have a question for anyone - Does the FP-30X or DGX6670 allow me to record and broadcast in real-time via computer? (Like for a live TH-cam video?)I have had the Yamaha DGX660 for several years and have enjoyed it. However, I would like the ability to set up live-streams to platforms like TH-cam and record directly on a computer. Although the DGX660 has the USB to Host port, it is my understanding that it does not allow live broadcasting or recording directly to my computer for both audio or MIDI. For recording, I have had to record directly on the device, then plug in a flash drive, transfer in real-time to the drive, then plug into the computer to save and upload. This is tedious/time-consuming and does not allow live performances online. So I am now looking at buying a second digital piano that will allow me to both live-stream and record directly through a connected computer. Do you know if the FP-30X or the DGX-670 (Or both) allow this feature? Or do you recommend a different digital piano altogether? Any info would be extremely helpful. Thanks!
For anyone interested, the comment was true. And the Roland FP30x makes direct audio input as simple as plugging in to your computer! Audio quality is awesome (speaker quality not so much) l. Really glad I snagged this (in white).
I just bought the DGX-670 - I had the 660 and 650 models. I'm going crazy trying to access the XG & GM voices...can't find them yet I see a list (Found it online) of all the additional voices within those areas for the 670. On my previous models (660/650) I could scroll through and find the all the voices together...what am I missing and how do I access the GM/XG voices - they should be loaded up onto my keyboard and not something I have to purchase additionally correct?
Although I already own a Fp 30x (yes, I bought it because of your previous videos), I still watch your videos just like how I watch other TH-camrs' videos for leisure. Always good to watch and informative! Good job 👍
Great Review. I listened to both of your videos comparing the two ’pianos’. Yamaha seems to be a keyboard with a piano type action. The Roland is a piano with additional features. If you want to learn to play the piano then the Roland is the choice. In real life I’ve recently heard the comparison of sound and touch of the FP 30 X against the Yamaha. Frankly I don’t think there is a comparison. One sounds magnificent in comparison to the other. For an arranger on a budget the Yamaha might do. The operative word is budget. With the FP30X the operative word is piano. Keep up the good videos.
I would but my audience demographics would mean I get little views. I have access to the Nautilus and OpSix but no point spending 40+ hours to study, review, record, edit a video and 500 people watch for 20 seconds. 🥺
Interesting comparison. I think the high quality samples of the Yamaha is what everyone raves about and tends to influence the rest of most reviews even causing some to disregard important shortcomings such as key action and lack of a line out. Hopefully, Yamaha's next DGX version will have a better quality keyboard with triple sensor and matte finish keys and also a proper line out. I had the original Roland FP-30 and using headphone out for an external amplfier didn't sound great. I now have the FP-30X and it's better. I do wish some of the Roland sounds were higher quality samples.
I truly enjoy your videos. Hopefully you make soon an review on Roland RP/F 701. As far as I understand the BMC the FP-30x and 701 is the same. Keep on posting🙂👍🏻
Different types of instruments should not be compared. The Roland FP-30X is a stage piano, the YAMAHA DGX-670 is a combination of a piano and an arranger keyboard. The Roland FP-30X can be compared to the YAMAHA P-125 stage piano, but the YAMAHA DGX-670 can be compared to the CASIO PS-S3000, a hybrid piano and arranger keyboard.
"Doubling the amount of amplifier power ONLY produces an additional 3 decibels of loudness" Yes, 3 decibels in fact mean 2× more power. :) In terms of acoustic (sound) pressure level it should be square root if I am not mistaken, so √2 ≈ 1.413× more max loudness in theory (if the electronics would allow it directly like this). So still significant improvement imho. :)
A change of plus or minus 3 decibels is defined as the smallest difference in sound level that is easily heard by most listeners of speech or music. In other words, when you increase or decrease the volume of your music by an almost imperceptible but still recognizable amount that is considered a 3 decibel difference! You could easily use only 1 to 10 watts of a 100+ watt guitar or bass amplifier / speaker to overpower any audience or studio to uncomfortable sound pressures depending on room size & acoustics.
3 db is not a doubling of actual sound levels as sensed by the human ear ! I would never have bothered talking about such a trivial amount of sound level difference ! Whatever you're listening to , I would recommend you try Geezers Amps ! If your hair is wet after a shower , just stand in front of his amp while he plays his Black Sabbath songs & your hair will be dry in no time ! You also will have lost most of your hearing ! Geezer Amps toast bread too ............ Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195
I agree with AMusic 98's comment. Yamaha is bound to release an exciting mid-level product soon in its portable piano range. The P-45 needs retiring. P-125 is slightly overpriced for its features and should become Yamaha's entry level 88 portable piano. The P-121 has a fair price despite having only 73 keys, so it's still a good buy. In theory, most digital piano actions are not good enough for classical piano students taking the higher music exams. The GHS piano actions on the cheaper Yamaha pianos are clearly unsuitable for ambitious piano students. The FP30X has the minimum quality action required, but even then.... Another good and cheap contender is the Korg D1, which (incredibly) uses Korg's flagship action. I think it has no internal speakers, since it is a pseudo stage piano. There are plenty of excellent powered stereo monitor speakers available (such as iLoud) which blow the inbuilt speakers on most portable pianos out of the water. Portable pianos are the cheapest way into high quality sound. But if you spend 1200 to 2400 euros, you can get a great home digital piano, which will feel better, look better and last better than nearly all portable digital pianos.
@@Zoco101 thank you very much for the advice 💗💗💗💗💗 I kinda want roland fp 60x and I'm still waiting for the replacement/ Upgrade of the Yamaha P series.
ROLAND FP 30X ELECTRIC PIANOS, DRAWBAR TONEWHEEL ORGANS & PIPE ORGAN SAMPLES ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO THE YAMAHA DGX 670 - ROLAND FP 30X 88 KEY GRADED HAMMER PIANO TOUCH IS ALSO PERFECT FOR ELECTRIC PIANO & PIPE ORGAN PERFORMANCE !! WELL DONE, JEREMY - YOUR AUDIO VIDEO PIANO REVIEW IS BALANCED BETWEEN ENTHUSIASTS & PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS !! PROFESSIONALS KEYBOARD MUSICIANS KNOW THE SONIC DIFFERENCE !!
I have loved the Roland keyboard because of its genuine sound ability, smoothness, warmth, and restful sound that generates pure beauty. I've also owned the Yamaha DGX650, and one of the older models from Yamaha, both models were definitely for the inexperienced musician, but I guess I've grown out of the need for bells and whistles.
Thank you for another great review Jeremy. My FP-30X arrived yesterday. I like it, but am considering returning it as the output speakers seem muffled. Is this a common complaint or do I need to configure the settings somehow? The sound is fine with headphones in. Thank you
I cannot determine without listening to it in person. Quite many variables affect the sound from the speakers. Size of room, materials in room, how close to wall, how loud it's cranked up etc... Ultimately these are small speakers limited by physics.
Jeremy made the point ; that speakers on Roland aim towards the ground & that is probably the reason sound is not too good Unless you have a stand that allows the speakers to aim at the ground with nothing blocking the sound . Try to have hard surface for your ground surface as this will help the sound bounce off the concrete , hardwood , etc .......... If you want great studio to practice in , go to Hyde Street Studios in San Francisco ! I helped set up that place & many great musicians have made fantastic albums there . I am positively certain it has to do with my contribution ......... Yep , I got a bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell ya ; real cheap , slightly used ............ Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195
Sir I really appreciate your content it's ver helpful sir I had a few doubt that I would like to get clarified such as:Sir does CTX 700 has full size keys & does the CTX 700 lacking pitch wheel make a major difference as compared to cts-300 ,sir is the 20 piano rhythms in CTX -700 would be sufficient for a 'beginner' ? Would be thankful for your reply! Your thankfully, Tejas.
I truly enjoy your videos. Hopefully you make soon an review on Roland RP/F 701. As far as I understand the BMC the FP-30x and 701 is the same. Keep on posting🙂👍🏻
Hi Jeremy, nice video comparison. I would like to add that the FP-30x is sleeker and more aesthetically pleasing to look at than the dgx-670 especially if you are placing them on an X stand, the dgx just looks odd even on its oem stand.
@@JeremySee yea but I wished Roland would give us some more premium tones on the FP-30X though. I tried the guitar tones on the DGX in store and it’s so detail you can even hear the scratching on the guitar strings. When I heard that, it was so hard for me to make the decision that the FP-30X was the right piano for me.
Hi Jeremy, great video thanks so much! I would like to know if fp 30x can play back what’s been recorded on the track and record at the same time? (Instead of overwriting the same track) thanks so much
So tough trying to decide what to buy. An amazing piano sound is a 100% MUST. I want that deep, fully rich grand piano sound (or best as I can get for under 1500 bucks Canadian taxes in ideally), BUT I also enjoy dabbling with synth sounds (though I mostly do that with FL Studio plugins). I generally use things like Piano/Strings/Orchestral Brass Section, a nice cathedral organ sound would be good. I have an ancient DGX 220 that's getting pretty beat up (mostly by the previous owners), and the actions getting bad, keys sticking, keys banging, and I just want a really good upgrade that will keep me happy for the next decade or so. I looked at things like the Juno DS 88 for synth and piano, but found the piano lacking a bit. All the sub $1000 keyboards sound unpleasant.
What piano do you think is the best for me to practice my practical piano class , p125 or fb30x ? all pianos in my college are acoustic and i don't want to feel any difference when i switch
wondering how is the sound of the DGX670 compared to your casio pxs3000 ? they cost the same. Also wondering about ES520 vs dgx670 which is also pretty similarly priced.
Having a hard time finding one from one of my preferred dealers, but I'm not gonna lie - I'm a die-hard Roland fan, so the FP-30X will be the choice for my daughter. 🙂
One is not better than the other. They are different and aimed at different kinds of people. The Roland is better for people who value the most piano authenticity. The Yamaha is better for people who are willing to sacrifice a little authenticity for more versatility. Ideally, you wouldn't have to decide between the two, and you could have it all, but I would take the Yamaha. It's still authentic enough for most people, and it opens up a lot more creative possibilities. It's fun, and it keeps you engaged with all the different voices and rhythms. And, for pure piano, it still sounds great to my ear. It just depends on what is most important to you.
Only if you get it at a much reduced price. The 30x sounds much better. I heard the fp-10 is being discontinued. It tends be a buyers market on used digital pianos. You can probably find a good used instrument for literally a steal.
Ordered my FP-30X yesterday. Should be here in a couple days! Now I'll be able to practice without disturbing my family at night and play on my acoustic piano during the day :)
@@Thadnill yes, sorry just saw your question. Arrived about a week ago. This is my first digital piano. I have a Yamaha baby grand so the Roland has taken some getting used to. Key action actually felt a little heavier than my Yamaha baby grand but I have gotten used to it. Took a few days to get used to the sound.. it's not bad, just different. So far I am enjoying it and it feels really good to start practicing again after many years of neglect 🙂
Nice analysis, really helps the decision process. Looking forward to similar reviews on the FP-60X, as I am already leaning toward that board. Thanks Jeremy
I'm wary of the fp10 and fp30. I've read a lot on forums about the PHA4 keybed getting clicky soon after buying it - it's to do with the internal lubrication. Do you have any thoughts on this?
I think this will affect every digital key bed. The question is Is Fp30 this issue will come earlier or not. Regardless it can be fixed very easily, by servicing it in a music store shop.
REMEMBER THE X! So much better than it's predecessor, The FP30. So -FP30- *FP30X* ! I'm buying one this week. Was considering the console digital piano ROLAND RP701, but out of my price range. A great alternative to the RP701 imho is the KAWAI KDP110. The ONLY deal breaker of the KDP110 is it is exclusive to APPLE TABLET editing. The KDP70 has excellent sounds, and is a console under $800! Limited editing, but doesn't really need it.
I understand where you are coming from and agree with you up to a point, but both instruments belong to piano ranges which are not truly professional. The DGX, however, is more hobbyist and the Roland FP range is more piano student oriented. Roland has other ranges too, for professional musicians and for home use, and Yamaha does too. Under ordinary circumstances the FP30X should be compared to a P range piano from Yamaha, except there isn't one at this price point - not at the moment. To be fair, the DGX is using Yamaha's flagship piano sample, but how well it is implemented in this model may be another thing. When they are well implemented, Yamaha's CF & CFX sounds carry a lot of popularity with discerning users.
A ver tengo un yamaha Dgx 650 con su soporte original, estoy pensando en comprarme un dgx 670 el problema es que en mi país (España) el soporte original aun no ha llegado Pero yo creo que prácticamente son iguales Me serviría el soporte del 650 para el 670?? Porfa necesito respuestas
Jeremy, again you have explained everything very well, as did some of the others, elaborating on what you stated. My very talented keyboardist and singer friend Jeannette Casuga Trevias here in Honolulu is highly trained and accomplished, but gigs with an older Yamaha arranger keyboard most of the time. She has a TH-cam channel and goes live on Facebook, performing often several times a week, with other local music artists. She knows how to use the arranger keyboard very well. The DGX-670 is an awesome keyboard for what it does, and has great features for the price, but the FP-30X has a proven more professional keyboard action, keys and other features and connectivity. It all depends on what kind of keyboard player you are, your experience from you first learning and playing, your level of proficiency and musical training, knowledge and expertise, and technical acuity in regards not only to musical prowress and playing technique, but comprehending, and mastering alk the technicsl features and functions of these electronic keyboards, musical instruments and related sound and other gear. Sound quality of tones or patches are comparable, but if you were raised with traditional acoustic pianos, especially high quality upoer line ones, trained in serious classical piano and possibly pursuing that venue as a professional, the keyboard action like that of the FP-30X is essential. For others more interested in playing for enjoyment, entertaining friends, or the weighted hammer action and escapement is not a big deal, as they are just happy to be abke to play songs at various levels, or more pop synth and other music, the keyboard action is not as vital, and they may prefer the action if the DGX-670 or lighter action. For myself, coming from a long exposure to music, from playing piano, other instruments, especially clarinet for most of my school years, with relatives and friends as professional musicians and singers, I have learned to appreciate and constantly listen to music fron those with the utmost musical and technical abilities, but have a profound admiration, regard, and respect for those with superlative playing technique, creativity, improvisation, arranging and composing giftings, besides learning all the peripheral things I mentioned. Just to memorize everything, the knowledge, discipline and tenacity to perservere to their level of excellence is to be commended. Some doing it for recognution, wealth, and other goals, but most ultimately are driven and motivstiin by their love and passion of music. The most beautiful thing is, unless your livelihood depends on it, you are free to enjoy listening, learning and playing music to whatever degree or level you desire, and strive for whatever your goals, dteams, and aspiration are. But like I mentioned in my otevious long comment, be practical, and don't let it be an obsession and a compulsive thing and lose perspectives. Be practical and take your time. Use discretion and discernment and don't go overboard beyond your means or need to get something that will mskebyou neglect more important things in life. If you are an enthususst abd hobbyist, something like the $200 Yamaha PSR-E373 or Casio CT-S300 would be ideal. You can upgrade to something better when you reach that point and csn make use of it. I am willing to spend money on things I really want, but I have soent so much in the past on music gesr I did not make much use of or needed. Music is not my career, and time and energy impedes me from playing and getting back into learning and improving, so my Roland Go:Keys 61K is perfect for me at this point. Other than maybe another keyboard for my sister, which might be the PSR-E373, so I csn play that, too, and my JD-Xi synth, I will probably not may another keyboard other than one for church I can enjoy, but make use of there, so the purchase is justifiable. I took another look and listen to the videos, and like I decided to get my Go:Keys over the PSR-E373 for a little more, I would spend the $1200 on the Roland RD88 over the FP-30X and DGX-670. The sounds and features are incredible, and much more professional, along with that keyboard action. Both the FP-30X and tge DGX-670 are winners if it suits the needs of those that get it, and brings them joy. But for many here, the PSR-E373 or other affordable keyboards like those digital pianos with weighted action will suit many fine. Other than price, avaikability is a major factor.
@@JeremySee Your reviews are like the automotive ones. We all go ooh and ah over the new mideks, toys, tools, and shiny new objects, and the sounds and features. But for me, as much ad I like the incredible super performance and luxury vehicles, I would only get the most dependable and practical for myself. And the same goes with keyboards and music gear. And I have the knowledge and real life personal experience to mske better evaluation and choices, where so msny other here are overwhelmed and confused, even with your simple explanations which in my comments now and previously explained why, and with hopes that those will read and learn what I have learned. I'm a techie, but no longer need the $4000 Roland Fantom 8 or the sightly ess expensive 61 and 76 key variants. My Go:Keys and JD-Xi is all I need now. It's just that the RD 88 or the Keyscapes shound are tweaked by the musical angels to sound etheral, but heaven can wait. And the 88 keys and action. And cost less than the Keyscapes, a good 88 key controller and powerful laptop. The Keyscapes has so much sound choices and variations, but the RD 88 has the best of the Fantom, RD 2000 and FP series and a more affordable price and portability. The FP-30X will be great for those it is more suited for than the DGX-670. We are blessed with all the choices and options at affordable prices. But when I get that $1400 stimulus check, I may be tempted getting that RD 88. 😅
Jeremy! Thank you for another super helpful video :D Another quick question: I know the Yamaha DGX 660 (and I assume also the newest DGX 670) can be used without a stand. Does the Roland FP-30X also allow for this? I am looking into most effective integrations of either of these keyboards into my home studio setup, and though I notice you use it right in front of your desk with the included stand, would it also work just as well as a standalone unit? Thanks so much, SERIOUSLY helping my search here! :)
I own a Fp 30x. The digital piano only comes with around 50 tones, but there are lots more in the app (to be connected via Bluetooth). I found one string tone in the app which sounds really good to me (well, just in my opinion XD).
Well, double check your Bluetooth connectivity, mine connects easily and works perfectly… just press and hold the menu button and pair it with your other device 😊
can you save MIDIs from the DGX-670 you record and transfer to your DAW through USB? Cause after hearing about the Bluetooth MIDI on the Roland, I'm kind of going for the FP30X
I thought about an Yamaha YDP Arius 144, for that classic look. The 3 pedals. The seat. But I recall trying one out and not finding the sound "full" enough. Beautiful digital piano. My "noise room" is starting to get a bit cramped. I have a home built keyboard stand to hold my Keystation 88ES and then a regular stand behind that to hold my DGX220. Then behind THAT a laptop and Cerwin Vega VS120 speakers. In one corner I have a drumset, my Marshall halfstack and atop that a Fender 2x12 amp (I use this for my DGX 220, and use the Vegas for the Keystation while making music in FL Studio... need to get some good monitors some time, I know haha)
Seems like this is a bit of an apples vs oranges comparison with the DGX allocating a good portion of its cost on arranger features, but the Roland is excellent for its price point. If you are just planning to play at home, then the lower power, forward facing speakers and lack of dual output jacks are probably fine. (but we always want more..) You mention how heavy the DGX is with stand, but then don't mention the weight of the Roland with stand. I would imagine there are half a dozen features where the DGX stands out too. I would think that students should be concentrating on the piano and not have much time to get into the arranger features as well, so the Roland is better suited there. Thanks for your great video reviews!
Hi Jeremy, excellent video once again, but you are comparing two different kinds of instruments for two different kinds of needs. DGX series is something between an arranger keyboard with (unlimited) styles, many voices (with hundreds of effects) and a digital piano. It is made specifically for piano players who wish to play also an arranger keyboard with styles but with 88 keys and a more realistic key action than the typical arranger keyboard. FPX series on the other hand, is a wonderful digital piano indeed, with the characteristics of this kinds of instruments. Great Key action, excellent piano sound with some extra really nice voices but with no effects, no pitch shift wheel and of course no styles at all. Your hands don't have to "leave" the keybed to push buttons while playing or to watch any screen as there is not any.
I did say in my DGX videos, you can't compare with usual digital pianos but the sheer number of people asking for a comparison, I just have to make this video. I have another video comparing DGX to FP coming up.
guy from piano forever channels says roland fp30x had worst keybed for an aspiring pianist. this guy says roland had best action. dont know whom to believe.
Sorry if this reply is late, but the roland fp30x’s action is geared to feel like an accoustic piano’s action therefore making it feel heavier than other weighted actions like yamaha. Aspiring/beginner pianist might need a little time getting used to the rolands action.
Jeremy, you've hit on the obvious differences of the actions, but the worst thing about the GHS action (on the Yamaha DGX670) is how spongey it feels. The old Yamaha GHE action, however, while also lacking all three qualities you mention, manages to give a satisfying experience for many users including concert pianists who use it for finger exercises when travelling. These things you mention are niceties, but not deal breakers. The Roland action is the better of these two actions, full stop, unless piano is not the main voice the user wants to play. Can you say whether inbuilt speakers or "line-out" were used in the demo? It affects how we judge the main voices. I suspect that the DGX670 can hold its own against the FP30X sound engine.
@@JeremySee Good to know. What I cannot understand is the incredible weight of the DGX670 with only a GHS action. I agree that for many/most players the FP30X is a better deal. I see from a Merriam Music review that the the 30X is a big improvement on the 30, particularly in the middle register notes. That is hugely significant IMO. The weak FP middle register was always a big disincentive for me.
Hi ... I have recently purchased Roland FP 60X digital piano. But Piano Partner 2 app is saying incompatible with this model while installing the required data files. Piano Designer app is working normally. Is Piano Partner 2 app is incompatible? Then how to access in-built Rhythms and other hidden functions? Thanks
Kawai DP are totally neglected by the local distributor where I live because selling Kawai grand pianos is way more profitable with thousands of dollars margin. I cannot review something I cannot get my hands on. Not to mention Kawai global PR has made no attempts to get in touch with me to provide me with review units as I am just a tiny channel with no influence.
@@JeremySee that’s too bad because those models are highly sought after, and we get a lot of calls for them. The other issue is that they are so hard to get , just like the rolands are almost impossible to locate. (Maybe that’s why he doesn’t have any.) I’ll ask my rep to send you some for review, if they ever get my orders filled first. I always enjoy your videos, and these manufacturers need to realize the value you bring to the brands.
You know, because I was thinking about replacing my dgx-650 with a 670 I went by my friend who's parents have 2 music intrument shops for more than 40 years. I tried that Roland and the 670 and most of the time I agree, but for this time I do have to disagree with you that the Roland is better. Anno 2021 most people don't even want an acoustic piano anymore so why keep comparing it(nor do most have the money for it, yet alone the maintenance)? Key action has become a personal preference. I found out the keys of the Roland are made too rough and are just dust and bacteria magnets. The Roland has louder key action and the keys are a bit sloppy aka have not so thight tolerances. Overall the build quality of the DGX is better (but therefore weights more). Talking about carring it around is nonsense. These piano's are made to put and stay in your house. Even if you lose the stand you aren't going anywere with these "beasts" :-) Nevertheless the voices in the Roland were just a little bit brighter and I would be quite happy with this piano. There are much worse piano's on the market that have the same price tag. For comparison between mij DGX-650 an de 670 I will stick to my 650. all the new features on the 670 are things I don't really need at the moment, so even after 8 years of "daily abuse" I will keep the 650 as long as it works :-)
I have Yamaha DGX-660 for over a year now. I was testing the DGX-670 in the store today and I like the Bass Piano on it. But my DGX-660 layout looks a bit better I think. So far I thing I'll stick with the DGX-660 as I like to change and record the various combinations. The question I have is: Can I download additional Synth Sounds for it? If so, what is a good site to go to? Thanx, Michael.
Do you have a recommendation of a Piano that has the FEATURES of the Yamaha DGX-670 but also has the quality KEY Performance and SOUND of the FP-30X without having to pay $2,000 or something? I understand having to pay more, but don't want to go that high. I mean, it's astounding what the Yamaha can do in comparison, but I want quality sound and performance of the keys too.
@@JeremySee ... Really, they make the 670 so good that there isn't anything "better" up to like $1,500 with the improved keys at least? Man, that's crazy... The 670 is almost perfect but fixing the flaws you mentioned wouldn't cost that much more and they could price it so they even made a profit. Bummer... Thanks for responding.
As usual, an interesting review with the Roland a clear winner for those wanting a digital piano (and one that's genuinely portable). To be honest I couldn't see a significant difference in size, both being the same length (and height) - the extra 10cm (rough guess) in depth for the Yamaha not really a deal-breaker.But the weight difference certainly is! I couldn't help but wonder if the reduced depth of the Roland made a difference when playing between the black keys (an issue with the Casio PX-S1000/3000 models). But generally while the Yamaha is named a digital piano it's also an arranger keyboard of some merit, so these instruments are aimed at slightly different markets (despite Yamaha's nomenclature). Roland doesn't include arranger features so that allowed them to produce a better piano in the price range. You are thinking of your piano students where, clearly, the Roland is the better choice. But for the wider market your channel reaches, the combination of good arranger features in an 88-note piano can be the ideal mix (although I agree with you and Yamaha could have had a better piano in the instrument plus better amplification - given the space available for the speakers - while maintaining the price).
Considering the one line out and weak speakers, what do you think is an easy external speaker solution for better quality sound at home on DGX-670 outside of using headphones?
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My Roland fp30x has been delivered 3 hours ago, right at the moment when you have published this video. It’s like „11 reasons why I have made a right choice“ for me. Thank you so much for the video 🤗
Great choice, have fun!
Very well put together Jeremy! I feel the FP - 30X is a better choice for those intending to play classical piano pieces by Mozart, Beethoven, etc. The Bluetooth Midi function is something really unique & useful as players don't have to carry their midi cables around. The DGX - 670 is a better choice for those who would love to play their favourite songs with super realistic voices and accompaniment. Another advantage is that the DGX - 670 comes with the 'Adaptive Style' feature that arranges accompaniment to suit the mood of the music.
I don't know. I love playing classical on my DGX. Haven't tried the FP30X yet, however I did try the HP702 with that PHA4 action and I much prefer the action on my DGX670🎹🎶
Between now and 2 hours from now, my FP-30X is gonna be delivered and I am beyond excited. I've never really been able to stick with learning the piano, because I used to have a cheap keyboard that I just didn't enjoy the sound of. With the amount of money I invested in this, I'm dedicated to start learning and be consistent.
Have fun!
Good ! Glad you are getting to the point of no return ! I had free intro organ lessons at new music store when I was about 6 or 7 . Dad never bought lessons past the free ones & I have wanted to play since 1959 ! Finally have the time at 70 years old & I am encouraged by your enthusiasm ! See you at The Met ! ! Nick , NavyBlueSmoke LST-1195
@@WilliamRNicholsonLST-1195 wow William!
I must say I am inspired by your story! Definitely encourages me to keep pushing and learn. 😀
Are you still practicing?
I almost don’t care about extra sounds, playing the roland fp30x made me happy to be alive in 2021, it connects with the Soul, I played for 1 hr in the store and forgot where I was…
I have it and it's really cool, but damned, the bluetooth midi experience is so bad. You need to reset the bluetooth, unpairing the piano everytime you start the app or the piano. It's so frustrating.
Team Yamaha. I own the DGX-650, and I love the versatility. It can do so much, and the 670 is even better.
The key action might not be THE BEST, but it's still quite realistic. I don't miss an acoustic piano for a second.
If the only thing you care about is piano, get the Roland. But you can have so much more fun on the Yamaha.
Hi Jeremy I agree on all points excepted that if I had to choose, as a composer, I would certainly buy the DGX670 because of its numerous sounds and effects, styles and arranging functions. Are you going to foot another video to explain why the DGX 670 is a better choice than the Roland FP-30X for pianists wishing to compose and arrange songs? Have a nice Sunday 😎🌈
Yup! My conclusion at the end of the video recommends this more for piano only players. The video on DGX is better has already been recorded. 😅
Jeremy See I don't know why am not surprised... 😸
Agree, but... if you’re a composer you probably use a daw and a midi controller, but maybe you compose effects, etc live on the piano, normally that stuff comes in on the daw after composing the basics but yeah, I can kinda understand your point
The DGX also has the 16 track sequencing available which is nice for those who like to utilize MIDI in their compositions and tracking.
I just bought the DGX-670 for my family entertainment. I love it. The best feature of DGX is the Bluetooth facility. I play my favorite songs from Spotify, connected to the DGX then I follow the band and the singer. Made me feel like playing music and sing together with them. Duet with Fank Sinatra - My Way :). It's a best way also to learn a song (chord and melody). Thanks
Great choice!
As a writer and arranger, the DGX was an easy choice. I’m incredibly pleased with it.
Great choice. Have fun!
Thank for these differences were minor for me. DGX just ordered, total beginner, should last me for ages.
If anyone need only piano they can go for Rolland... But I need electric keyboard, 88keys piano, styles, vocal input, all those stuff together in dgx 670...
At 2:00 you can see the lateral movement of the keys. It seems they didn't fixed that yet, it was one of the things that bothered me about the action.
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
@@abohsukampret why is that concerned a good feature? I’m only an intermediate player, but I too get annoyed when keys do that lol
I played with all of the sounds on the FP-30x and the sounds I liked the most are the first sounds you get by pressing the first key and I can use it with my computer so it was still worth the price to me. I love how deep and warm the first Piano setting sounds and I like one of the old piano sounds on it too. I also have a M Audio Oxygen 49 which has knobs and sliders which are great for mixing. I would say that some inexpensive midi keyboards can be good for music production because of all the knobs and sliders.
If you want a PIANO with a smattering of additional sounds the Roland rocks. If you want great piano sound, not as good as the Roland, but hundreds of additonal patches, rhythm, accompaniments and a pretty decent keyboard get a Yamaha.
Roland has modeled, computer algorithm, sounds and it makes the piano sound terrible, Yamaha uses real sampled sounds for real instruments.
The hustler is back! He doesn’t skip a beat! Thank you for this great and anticipated review
Thank you for your kind compliments buddy!
I already play Pianoteq Pro powered by a Casio PX-150 with hi-res MIDI and triple sensors. From a key bed perspective it seems Yamaha could be a step down. That said, I think the arranger features of the DGX would be fun for me. As 78 year old pianist, I can fool around with just playing melodies and using the auto-accompaniment styles feature. While there are negatives to the DGX-670, I think I will go ahead with it. Of all the digital slab pianos on the market today I would actually prefer the Roland fp90x, but it is even heavier than the DGX and costs 2.5 x's more. Given that I already have a good digital piano set-up, the question is do I need to spend money on another piano at all?
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Jeremy for this video! I’ve been waiting for it!
I'm only buying an beginner model for my kids, I don't know how to play piano at all but his video is really fun to watch while I'm eating some chicken and beer.
I would like to see you do a comparison between the Yamaha P515 and the DGX-670. These two keyboards seem to be much more similar than the Roland FP-30x vx DGX-670.
p515 !!!
I love how straightforward you are and start right away with the verdict at the beginning, so i can start googling the price as i was watching your video 😂😂 most vloggers just try to drag out the verdict at the end 😤
Not quite an apples to apples comparison, but everything Jeremy says here is sound. I still like the Yamaha's piano sound a bit more but at this point, Roland's piano qualities and timbre changes and dynamic control is closer to an acoustic experience than Yamaha's. However, if you want a low-priced piano arranger, the DGX-670 is quite a good value. Yamaha just simply needs to update their action on their lower end and start adding value because Roland and Casio really give you a lot of bang for the buck. And Roland is the bigger challenger because their name is big in the industry as professional instruments while Casio is still struggling to be seen as a major player in the middle and higher markets (though they should be, IMO).
I'm playing devil's advocate here. 😉
@@JeremySee Ah!
it's worth noting that if glossy/untextured keys bother you, you can quite easily scuff them up with a very fine/high grit of sandpaper. but I'm talking VERY high grits, i'd be looking at something like maybe 1200. you can always go down or up a grit depending on the result. it may void your warranty, but worth considering
i m so hyped!!!my fp-30x is due to arrive in 3 days !!!hope my piano journey that starts at a boomer age of 33 wobt be too hard
Have fun! Try out my recommended apps in the description and see if it works with you.
@@JeremySee i had not noticed it in the description ,i had allready downloades flowkey but i think i will also get a teacher so i can also learn theory
2:38 this is so satisfying
Hi jeremy, Hi thank you for your demonstration very nice, I am an owner of a Roland G1000 and sadly the LCD is fading and I can't find a part, so I am looking for another portable keyboard, what my dilemma is I have always used the GS MIDI via the floppy discs for backing me up as a one man band, I realise that is very old technology, I am wondering as you say the Roland plays midi can I download all my midi files to a USB and plug it into the keyboard for playback as I dont want to mess with Ipads ect. or do you know of another model of any brand that can do this, your advice would be great await your reply with thanks Kind regards Noeline
Thank you brother. What do you think piano sound cfx dgx670 vs supernatural fp30x? Do you think both equal?
Glad to hear about the hammer effects on the Yamaha. Now I know I am not the only one. I can really notice the big difference between my Acustic Jun109 and the GDX. Yes I agree I not comparing apples to apples but, I also have a very low quality digital piano from Alexis and the keys effects are much better than the other digital Yamaha. Yamaha makes greats digital pianos but they need to level up their key effects. Thank you.
Great video and the bonus cat cameo at 3.54 made it perfect.
Glad you noticed!
Personally I like the high end of the Yamaha grand better. Yamaha multisamples sound far more dynamic and realistic, to me anyway.
Psychoacoustics play a big part.
Have you try the FP E50 yet???
This would be the best rival for the DGX 670
An excellent comparison. I love the DGX-670 I just purchased but your review is unbiased and much appreciated.
Luck you!
i just saved up, and bought the fp-30x as my first piano. I was going to go with the fp-10 but they were out of stock and after looking further into it i saw that the fp-30 was being upgrade, so i am really looking for to it's arrival
Have fun!
I guess I'm about to take the same decision since FP-10 is out of stock, but I already paid for it, let's see if I can order the FP-30X instead.
@@luis.barragan the small extra price is worth every penny, you will enjoy it. i also recommend the reviews of Merriam Music with Stu on the FP30X, the comparison with the Casio 3000 is interesting.
GREAT REVIEW! WHICH OF THE TWO HAS A BETTER ACTION? SWEETWATER SALES PERSON SAID YAMAHA DGX 670 HAS BETTER ACTION? AND WHAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A BABY GRAND? THANKS!
Hi Jeremy, thank you for this very helpful comparison. I have a question for anyone - Does the FP-30X or DGX6670 allow me to record and broadcast in real-time via computer? (Like for a live TH-cam video?)I have had the Yamaha DGX660 for several years and have enjoyed it. However, I would like the ability to set up live-streams to platforms like TH-cam and record directly on a computer. Although the DGX660 has the USB to Host port, it is my understanding that it does not allow live broadcasting or recording directly to my computer for both audio or MIDI. For recording, I have had to record directly on the device, then plug in a flash drive, transfer in real-time to the drive, then plug into the computer to save and upload. This is tedious/time-consuming and does not allow live performances online. So I am now looking at buying a second digital piano that will allow me to both live-stream and record directly through a connected computer. Do you know if the FP-30X or the DGX-670 (Or both) allow this feature? Or do you recommend a different digital piano altogether? Any info would be extremely helpful. Thanks!
For anyone interested, the comment was true. And the Roland FP30x makes direct audio input as simple as plugging in to your computer! Audio quality is awesome (speaker quality not so much) l. Really glad I snagged this (in white).
Price and functionality is more comparable between p515 and dgx 670. Can you please do a video comparison for the two?
I just bought the DGX-670 - I had the 660 and 650 models. I'm going crazy trying to access the XG & GM voices...can't find them yet I see a list (Found it online) of all the additional voices within those areas for the 670. On my previous models (660/650) I could scroll through and find the all the voices together...what am I missing and how do I access the GM/XG voices - they should be loaded up onto my keyboard and not something I have to purchase additionally correct?
Although I already own a Fp 30x (yes, I bought it because of your previous videos), I still watch your videos just like how I watch other TH-camrs' videos for leisure.
Always good to watch and informative! Good job 👍
Have fun!
Jeremy, what do you think about Roland FP E50? Especially comparing with DGX 670. Thanks
Great Review. I listened to both of your videos comparing the two ’pianos’. Yamaha seems to be a keyboard with a piano type action. The Roland is a piano with additional features. If you want to learn to play the piano then the Roland is the choice. In real life I’ve recently heard the comparison of sound and touch of the FP 30 X against the Yamaha. Frankly I don’t think there is a comparison. One sounds magnificent in comparison to the other. For an arranger on a budget the Yamaha might do. The operative word is budget. With the FP30X the operative word is piano. Keep up the good videos.
Very Good Solid info I loved it.😇
Thanks for the great videos. Do you ever review synthesizers?
I would but my audience demographics would mean I get little views. I have access to the Nautilus and OpSix but no point spending 40+ hours to study, review, record, edit a video and 500 people watch for 20 seconds. 🥺
@@JeremySee No worries. I do YT videos to and yes it is a ton of work. Keep dong what you are doing. It’s working.
Interesting comparison. I think the high quality samples of the Yamaha is what everyone raves about and tends to influence the rest of most reviews even causing some to disregard important shortcomings such as key action and lack of a line out. Hopefully, Yamaha's next DGX version will have a better quality keyboard with triple sensor and matte finish keys and also a proper line out. I had the original Roland FP-30 and using headphone out for an external amplfier didn't sound great. I now have the FP-30X and it's better. I do wish some of the Roland sounds were higher quality samples.
Gracias Jeremy. Acabo de decidirme por el Yamaha DGX670 después de ver tu video, y otro más donde también hablas de este teclado. Saludos.
Which one is best to buy ? Difficult to choose.? Which one do you recommend to buy?
I truly enjoy your videos. Hopefully you make soon an review on Roland RP/F 701. As far as I understand the BMC the FP-30x and 701 is the same. Keep on posting🙂👍🏻
Yes we need this review.
Different types of instruments should not be compared. The Roland FP-30X is a stage piano, the YAMAHA DGX-670 is a combination of a piano and an arranger keyboard. The Roland FP-30X can be compared to the YAMAHA P-125 stage piano, but the YAMAHA DGX-670 can be compared to the CASIO PS-S3000, a hybrid piano and arranger keyboard.
"Doubling the amount of amplifier power ONLY produces an additional 3 decibels of loudness"
Yes, 3 decibels in fact mean 2× more power. :) In terms of acoustic (sound) pressure level it should be square root if I am not mistaken, so √2 ≈ 1.413× more max loudness in theory (if the electronics would allow it directly like this). So still significant improvement imho. :)
right!
A change of plus or minus 3 decibels is defined as the smallest difference in sound level that is easily heard by most listeners of speech or music. In other words, when you increase or decrease the volume of your music by an almost imperceptible but still recognizable amount that is considered a 3 decibel difference! You could easily use only 1 to 10 watts of a 100+ watt guitar or bass amplifier / speaker to overpower any audience or studio to uncomfortable sound pressures depending on room size & acoustics.
3 db is not a doubling of actual sound levels as sensed by the human ear ! I would never have bothered talking about such a trivial amount of sound level difference ! Whatever you're listening to , I would recommend you try Geezers Amps ! If your hair is wet after a shower , just stand in front of his amp while he plays his Black Sabbath songs & your hair will be dry in no time ! You also will have lost most of your hearing ! Geezer Amps toast bread too ............ Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195
Very good review, thank you Jeremy !!
Is yamaha P 125 still worth it in 2021? And is Yamaha P 125 good for advance or professional players? ADVANCE THANK YOU❤️🇵🇭
No. Wait for the replacement. Trust me it will be better.
I agree with AMusic 98's comment. Yamaha is bound to release an exciting mid-level product soon in its portable piano range.
The P-45 needs retiring. P-125 is slightly overpriced for its features and should become Yamaha's entry level 88 portable piano. The P-121 has a fair price despite having only 73 keys, so it's still a good buy.
In theory, most digital piano actions are not good enough for classical piano students taking the higher music exams. The GHS piano actions on the cheaper Yamaha pianos are clearly unsuitable for ambitious piano students. The FP30X has the minimum quality action required, but even then.... Another good and cheap contender is the Korg D1, which (incredibly) uses Korg's flagship action. I think it has no internal speakers, since it is a pseudo stage piano. There are plenty of excellent powered stereo monitor speakers available (such as iLoud) which blow the inbuilt speakers on most portable pianos out of the water.
Portable pianos are the cheapest way into high quality sound. But if you spend 1200 to 2400 euros, you can get a great home digital piano, which will feel better, look better and last better than nearly all portable digital pianos.
@@amusic9825 ok.thanks 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗
@@Zoco101 thank you very much for the advice 💗💗💗💗💗 I kinda want roland fp 60x and I'm still waiting for the replacement/ Upgrade of the Yamaha P series.
ROLAND FP 30X ELECTRIC PIANOS, DRAWBAR TONEWHEEL ORGANS & PIPE ORGAN SAMPLES ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO THE YAMAHA DGX 670 - ROLAND FP 30X 88 KEY GRADED HAMMER PIANO TOUCH IS ALSO PERFECT FOR ELECTRIC PIANO & PIPE ORGAN PERFORMANCE !! WELL DONE, JEREMY - YOUR AUDIO VIDEO PIANO REVIEW IS BALANCED BETWEEN ENTHUSIASTS & PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS !! PROFESSIONALS KEYBOARD MUSICIANS KNOW THE SONIC DIFFERENCE !!
The best electric piano samples I've heard are from Keyscape.
I have loved the Roland keyboard because of its genuine sound ability, smoothness, warmth, and restful sound that generates pure beauty. I've also owned the Yamaha DGX650, and one of the older models from Yamaha, both models were definitely for the inexperienced musician, but I guess I've grown out of the need for bells and whistles.
Thank you for another great review Jeremy.
My FP-30X arrived yesterday. I like it, but am considering returning it as the output speakers seem muffled. Is this a common complaint or do I need to configure the settings somehow? The sound is fine with headphones in. Thank you
I cannot determine without listening to it in person. Quite many variables affect the sound from the speakers. Size of room, materials in room, how close to wall, how loud it's cranked up etc... Ultimately these are small speakers limited by physics.
Jeremy made the point ; that speakers on Roland aim towards the ground & that is probably the reason sound is not too good Unless you have a stand that allows the speakers to aim at the ground with nothing blocking the sound . Try to have hard surface for your ground surface as this will help the sound bounce off the concrete , hardwood , etc .......... If you want great studio to practice in , go to Hyde Street Studios in San Francisco ! I helped set up that place & many great musicians have made fantastic albums there . I am positively certain it has to do with my contribution ......... Yep , I got a bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell ya ; real cheap , slightly used ............ Nick , NavyBlueSmoke , LST-1195
previous video convinced us to buy Yamaha DGX-670
wait till you watch the next video!
@Corporeal Undead I agree with you!
Sir I really appreciate your content it's ver helpful sir I had a few doubt that I would like to get clarified such as:Sir does CTX 700 has full size keys & does the CTX 700 lacking pitch wheel make a major difference as compared to cts-300 ,sir is the 20 piano rhythms in CTX -700 would be sufficient for a 'beginner' ? Would be thankful for your reply!
Your thankfully,
Tejas.
The FP 30x with speakers below would mean that one cannot place it on a flat table?....as the speakers will be blocked out?
My friend, it’s allways interesting to watch your video’s!
Thanks for watching.
I truly enjoy your videos. Hopefully you make soon an review on Roland RP/F 701. As far as I understand the BMC the FP-30x and 701 is the same. Keep on posting🙂👍🏻
Hi Jeremy, nice video comparison. I would like to add that the FP-30x is sleeker and more aesthetically pleasing to look at than the dgx-670 especially if you are placing them on an X stand, the dgx just looks odd even on its oem stand.
The DGX-670 new design gets polarizing views. 😁
@@JeremySee yea but I wished Roland would give us some more premium tones on the FP-30X though. I tried the guitar tones on the DGX in store and it’s so detail you can even hear the scratching on the guitar strings. When I heard that, it was so hard for me to make the decision that the FP-30X was the right piano for me.
Hi Jeremy
Please help i am confused between Roland Fp30x & Roland RP501R. Which one is good?
What's an affordable, for hobbyist pedal for an FP-30x?
Hi Jeremy, great video thanks so much! I would like to know if fp 30x can play back what’s been recorded on the track and record at the same time? (Instead of overwriting the same track) thanks so much
So tough trying to decide what to buy. An amazing piano sound is a 100% MUST. I want that deep, fully rich grand piano sound (or best as I can get for under 1500 bucks Canadian taxes in ideally), BUT I also enjoy dabbling with synth sounds (though I mostly do that with FL Studio plugins). I generally use things like Piano/Strings/Orchestral Brass Section, a nice cathedral organ sound would be good. I have an ancient DGX 220 that's getting pretty beat up (mostly by the previous owners), and the actions getting bad, keys sticking, keys banging, and I just want a really good upgrade that will keep me happy for the next decade or so. I looked at things like the Juno DS 88 for synth and piano, but found the piano lacking a bit. All the sub $1000 keyboards sound unpleasant.
Hello. Is the fp30x good for boogiewoogie style? Thank you.
I watched your videos to buy a piano.
I bought the piano.
And I'm still watching you....
Well I can't stop watching your videos.
😊
What piano do you think is the best for me to practice my practical piano class , p125 or fb30x ?
all pianos in my college are acoustic and i don't want to feel any difference when i switch
wondering how is the sound of the DGX670 compared to your casio pxs3000 ? they cost the same. Also wondering about ES520 vs dgx670 which is also pretty similarly priced.
Hi Jeremy compliments for your video!!!Can you make a review Roland fp90x vs Yamaha P 515? I must buy One of these
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Having a hard time finding one from one of my preferred dealers, but I'm not gonna lie - I'm a die-hard Roland fan, so the FP-30X will be the choice for my daughter. 🙂
One is not better than the other. They are different and aimed at different kinds of people.
The Roland is better for people who value the most piano authenticity.
The Yamaha is better for people who are willing to sacrifice a little authenticity for more versatility.
Ideally, you wouldn't have to decide between the two, and you could have it all, but I would take the Yamaha. It's still authentic enough for most people, and it opens up a lot more creative possibilities. It's fun, and it keeps you engaged with all the different voices and rhythms. And, for pure piano, it still sounds great to my ear.
It just depends on what is most important to you.
Sir i am going to buy roland fp10 is it still worth buying?
Watch this Friday video
Only if you get it at a much reduced price. The 30x sounds much better. I heard the fp-10 is being discontinued. It tends be a buyers market on used digital pianos. You can probably find a good used instrument for literally a steal.
The microphone feature was not mentioned. Does the FP30X have a microphone input like the DGX670?
Ordered my FP-30X yesterday. Should be here in a couple days! Now I'll be able to practice without disturbing my family at night and play on my acoustic piano during the day :)
Have fun!
Have it arrived yet?
@@Thadnill yes, sorry just saw your question. Arrived about a week ago. This is my first digital piano. I have a Yamaha baby grand so the Roland has taken some getting used to. Key action actually felt a little heavier than my Yamaha baby grand but I have gotten used to it. Took a few days to get used to the sound.. it's not bad, just different. So far I am enjoying it and it feels really good to start practicing again after many years of neglect 🙂
What is the difference between FP30 and FP30X please?
Hi Jeremy, what would be the set up with roland fp30 in music recording or making cover worship music
Nice analysis, really helps the decision process. Looking forward to similar reviews on the FP-60X, as I am already leaning toward that board. Thanks Jeremy
Have fun!
Im waiting for this video THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH IT HELP ME A LOT 😍😍😘😘🥰🥰🥳🥳🤩🤩
Thank you for your support.
I'm wary of the fp10 and fp30. I've read a lot on forums about the PHA4 keybed getting clicky soon after buying it - it's to do with the internal lubrication. Do you have any thoughts on this?
I think this will affect every digital key bed. The question is Is Fp30 this issue will come earlier or not.
Regardless it can be fixed very easily, by servicing it in a music store shop.
REMEMBER THE X! So much better than it's predecessor, The FP30. So -FP30- *FP30X* ! I'm buying one this week. Was considering the console digital piano ROLAND RP701, but out of my price range. A great alternative to the RP701 imho is the KAWAI KDP110. The ONLY deal breaker of the KDP110 is it is exclusive to APPLE TABLET editing.
The KDP70 has excellent sounds, and is a console under $800! Limited editing, but doesn't really need it.
The Yamaha DGX is based on a home keyboard and therefore it will always sound thinner than a real digital piano, like the Roland FP.
I understand where you are coming from and agree with you up to a point, but both instruments belong to piano ranges which are not truly professional. The DGX, however, is more hobbyist and the Roland FP range is more piano student oriented. Roland has other ranges too, for professional musicians and for home use, and Yamaha does too.
Under ordinary circumstances the FP30X should be compared to a P range piano from Yamaha, except there isn't one at this price point - not at the moment.
To be fair, the DGX is using Yamaha's flagship piano sample, but how well it is implemented in this model may be another thing. When they are well implemented, Yamaha's CF & CFX sounds carry a lot of popularity with discerning users.
A ver tengo un yamaha Dgx 650 con su soporte original, estoy pensando en comprarme un dgx 670 el problema es que en mi país (España) el soporte original aun no ha llegado
Pero yo creo que prácticamente son iguales
Me serviría el soporte del 650 para el 670??
Porfa necesito respuestas
Jeremy, again you have explained everything very well, as did some of the others, elaborating on what you stated.
My very talented keyboardist and singer friend Jeannette Casuga Trevias here in Honolulu is highly trained and accomplished, but gigs with an older Yamaha arranger keyboard most of the time. She has a TH-cam channel and goes live on Facebook, performing often several times a week, with other local music artists. She knows how to use the arranger keyboard very well.
The DGX-670 is an awesome keyboard for what it does, and has great features for the price, but the FP-30X has a proven more professional keyboard action, keys and other features and connectivity.
It all depends on what kind of keyboard player you are, your experience from you first learning and playing, your level of proficiency and musical training, knowledge and expertise, and technical acuity in regards not only to musical prowress and playing technique, but comprehending, and mastering alk the technicsl features and functions of these electronic keyboards, musical instruments and related sound and other gear.
Sound quality of tones or patches are comparable, but if you were raised with traditional acoustic pianos, especially high quality upoer line ones, trained in serious classical piano and possibly pursuing that venue as a professional, the keyboard action like that of the FP-30X is essential.
For others more interested in playing for enjoyment, entertaining friends, or the weighted hammer action and escapement is not a big deal, as they are just happy to be abke to play songs at various levels, or more pop synth and other music, the keyboard action is not as vital, and they may prefer the action if the DGX-670 or lighter action.
For myself, coming from a long exposure to music, from playing piano, other instruments, especially clarinet for most of my school years, with relatives and friends as professional musicians and singers, I have learned to appreciate and constantly listen to music fron those with the utmost musical and technical abilities, but have a profound admiration, regard, and respect for those with superlative playing technique, creativity, improvisation, arranging and composing giftings, besides learning all the peripheral things I mentioned. Just to memorize everything, the knowledge, discipline and tenacity to perservere to their level of excellence is to be commended.
Some doing it for recognution, wealth, and other goals, but most ultimately are driven and motivstiin by their love and passion of music.
The most beautiful thing is, unless your livelihood depends on it, you are free to enjoy listening, learning and playing music to whatever degree or level you desire, and strive for whatever your goals, dteams, and aspiration are.
But like I mentioned in my otevious long comment, be practical, and don't let it be an obsession and a compulsive thing and lose perspectives. Be practical and take your time. Use discretion and discernment and don't go overboard beyond your means or need to get something that will mskebyou neglect more important things in life. If you are an enthususst abd hobbyist, something like the $200 Yamaha PSR-E373 or Casio CT-S300 would be ideal. You can upgrade to something better when you reach that point and csn make use of it.
I am willing to spend money on things I really want, but I have soent so much in the past on music gesr I did not make much use of or needed.
Music is not my career, and time and energy impedes me from playing and getting back into learning and improving, so my Roland Go:Keys 61K is perfect for me at this point. Other than maybe another keyboard for my sister, which might be the PSR-E373, so I csn play that, too, and my JD-Xi synth, I will probably not may another keyboard other than one for church I can enjoy, but make use of there, so the purchase is justifiable.
I took another look and listen to the videos, and like I decided to get my Go:Keys over the PSR-E373 for a little more, I would spend the $1200 on the Roland RD88 over the FP-30X and DGX-670. The sounds and features are incredible, and much more professional, along with that keyboard action.
Both the FP-30X and tge DGX-670 are winners if it suits the needs of those that get it, and brings them joy. But for many here, the PSR-E373 or other affordable keyboards like those digital pianos with weighted action will suit many fine. Other than price, avaikability is a major factor.
Beautifully sound advice, my friend! Thank you for taking the time to share your years of experience.
@@JeremySee Your reviews are like the automotive ones. We all go ooh and ah over the new mideks, toys, tools, and shiny new objects, and the sounds and features. But for me, as much ad I like the incredible super performance and luxury vehicles, I would only get the most dependable and practical for myself. And the same goes with keyboards and music gear.
And I have the knowledge and real life personal experience to mske better evaluation and choices, where so msny other here are overwhelmed and confused, even with your simple explanations which in my comments now and previously explained why, and with hopes that those will read and learn what I have learned.
I'm a techie, but no longer need the $4000 Roland Fantom 8 or the sightly ess expensive 61 and 76 key variants. My Go:Keys and JD-Xi is all I need now. It's just that the RD 88 or the Keyscapes shound are tweaked by the musical angels to sound etheral, but heaven can wait. And the 88 keys and action. And cost less than the Keyscapes, a good 88 key controller and powerful laptop. The Keyscapes has so much sound choices and variations, but the RD 88 has the best of the Fantom, RD 2000 and FP series and a more affordable price and portability.
The FP-30X will be great for those it is more suited for than the DGX-670.
We are blessed with all the choices and options at affordable prices. But when I get that $1400 stimulus check, I may be tempted getting that RD 88. 😅
@@jjacob25101 I had the rd88 and shipped it back in 2days,I’m going to get this dgx670 and give it a go,will ultimately go for a korg nautilus 88 key
Jeremy! Thank you for another super helpful video :D Another quick question: I know the Yamaha DGX 660 (and I assume also the newest DGX 670) can be used without a stand. Does the Roland FP-30X also allow for this? I am looking into most effective integrations of either of these keyboards into my home studio setup, and though I notice you use it right in front of your desk with the included stand, would it also work just as well as a standalone unit?
Thanks so much, SERIOUSLY helping my search here! :)
Both can be used without a stand.
@@JeremySee great thank you!
Is it worth upgrading fp30 to fp30x?
Not worth upgrading if you already have a p30. If you don’t already have a p30 go with the fp30X
very informatibe video. I would love to see a video of all the sounds of the fp 30X. I need a digital piano with good strings sound :
I own a Fp 30x. The digital piano only comes with around 50 tones, but there are lots more in the app (to be connected via Bluetooth). I found one string tone in the app which sounds really good to me (well, just in my opinion XD).
Well, double check your Bluetooth connectivity, mine connects easily and works perfectly… just press and hold the menu button and pair it with your other device 😊
can you save MIDIs from the DGX-670 you record and transfer to your DAW through USB? Cause after hearing about the Bluetooth MIDI on the Roland, I'm kind of going for the FP30X
Can you please please please make a video on Roland Rp 302 Digital Piano??? Can I have your feedback on the Roland Rp302 here?
I thought about an Yamaha YDP Arius 144, for that classic look. The 3 pedals. The seat. But I recall trying one out and not finding the sound "full" enough. Beautiful digital piano. My "noise room" is starting to get a bit cramped. I have a home built keyboard stand to hold my Keystation 88ES and then a regular stand behind that to hold my DGX220. Then behind THAT a laptop and Cerwin Vega VS120 speakers. In one corner I have a drumset, my Marshall halfstack and atop that a Fender 2x12 amp (I use this for my DGX 220, and use the Vegas for the Keystation while making music in FL Studio... need to get some good monitors some time, I know haha)
Your cat really cute.
Yes! I know who really watch my videos. Thank you.
Seems like this is a bit of an apples vs oranges comparison with the DGX allocating a good portion of its cost on arranger features, but the Roland is excellent for its price point. If you are just planning to play at home, then the lower power, forward facing speakers and lack of dual output jacks are probably fine. (but we always want more..) You mention how heavy the DGX is with stand, but then don't mention the weight of the Roland with stand. I would imagine there are half a dozen features where the DGX stands out too. I would think that students should be concentrating on the piano and not have much time to get into the arranger features as well, so the Roland is better suited there. Thanks for your great video reviews!
My next video will interest you 😉 Roland with the stand is light. I can lift and move entire 30X with stand and pedals.
@@JeremySee Nice! I need to hear to good things about it! (I have one on order.... :-0 )
Which one has warmer piano sound?
What is that first song u always play in your videos
Gymnopédie No. 1
I heard that the action is not as responsive. Some players have problems with thrill or faster pieces.
Hi Jeremy, excellent video once again, but you are comparing two different kinds of instruments for two different kinds of needs.
DGX series is something between an arranger keyboard with (unlimited) styles, many voices (with hundreds of effects) and a digital piano.
It is made specifically for piano players who wish to play also an arranger keyboard with styles but with 88 keys and a more realistic key action than the typical arranger keyboard.
FPX series on the other hand, is a wonderful digital piano indeed, with the characteristics of this kinds of instruments.
Great Key action, excellent piano sound with some extra really nice voices but with no effects, no pitch shift wheel and of course no styles at all.
Your hands don't have to "leave" the keybed to push buttons while playing or to watch any screen as there is not any.
I did say in my DGX videos, you can't compare with usual digital pianos but the sheer number of people asking for a comparison, I just have to make this video. I have another video comparing DGX to FP coming up.
guy from piano forever channels says roland fp30x had worst keybed for an aspiring pianist. this guy says roland had best action. dont know whom to believe.
Sorry if this reply is late, but the roland fp30x’s action is geared to feel like an accoustic piano’s action therefore making it feel heavier than other weighted actions like yamaha. Aspiring/beginner pianist might need a little time getting used to the rolands action.
Jeremy, you've hit on the obvious differences of the actions, but the worst thing about the GHS action (on the Yamaha DGX670) is how spongey it feels. The old Yamaha GHE action, however, while also lacking all three qualities you mention, manages to give a satisfying experience for many users including concert pianists who use it for finger exercises when travelling. These things you mention are niceties, but not deal breakers. The Roland action is the better of these two actions, full stop, unless piano is not the main voice the user wants to play.
Can you say whether inbuilt speakers or "line-out" were used in the demo? It affects how we judge the main voices. I suspect that the DGX670 can hold its own against the FP30X sound engine.
They are all direct outputs to a digital audio interface
@@JeremySee Good to know. What I cannot understand is the incredible weight of the DGX670 with only a GHS action. I agree that for many/most players the FP30X is a better deal.
I see from a Merriam Music review that the the 30X is a big improvement on the 30, particularly in the middle register notes. That is hugely significant IMO. The weak FP middle register was always a big disincentive for me.
Hi ...
I have recently purchased Roland FP 60X digital piano. But Piano Partner 2 app is saying incompatible with this model while installing the required data files. Piano Designer app is working normally. Is Piano Partner 2 app is incompatible? Then how to access in-built Rhythms and other hidden functions?
Thanks
Have you had a chance to play any kawai digital pianos for review? The es model line specifically, 110, 520, and the 920.
Kawai DP are totally neglected by the local distributor where I live because selling Kawai grand pianos is way more profitable with thousands of dollars margin. I cannot review something I cannot get my hands on. Not to mention Kawai global PR has made no attempts to get in touch with me to provide me with review units as I am just a tiny channel with no influence.
@@JeremySee that’s too bad because those models are highly sought after, and we get a lot of calls for them. The other issue is that they are so hard to get , just like the rolands are almost impossible to locate. (Maybe that’s why he doesn’t have any.) I’ll ask my rep to send you some for review, if they ever get my orders filled first.
I always enjoy your videos, and these manufacturers need to realize the value you bring to the brands.
You know, because I was thinking about replacing my dgx-650 with a 670 I went by my friend who's parents have 2 music intrument shops for more than 40 years. I tried that Roland and the 670 and most of the time I agree, but for this time I do have to disagree with you that the Roland is better. Anno 2021 most people don't even want an acoustic piano anymore so why keep comparing it(nor do most have the money for it, yet alone the maintenance)? Key action has become a personal preference. I found out the keys of the Roland are made too rough and are just dust and bacteria magnets. The Roland has louder key action and the keys are a bit sloppy aka have not so thight tolerances. Overall the build quality of the DGX is better (but therefore weights more). Talking about carring it around is nonsense. These piano's are made to put and stay in your house. Even if you lose the stand you aren't going anywere with these "beasts" :-) Nevertheless the voices in the Roland were just a little bit brighter and I would be quite happy with this piano. There are much worse piano's on the market that have the same price tag. For comparison between mij DGX-650 an de 670 I will stick to my 650. all the new features on the 670 are things I don't really need at the moment, so even after 8 years of "daily abuse" I will keep the 650 as long as it works :-)
I have Yamaha DGX-660 for over a year now. I was testing the DGX-670 in the store today and I like the Bass Piano on it. But my DGX-660 layout looks a bit better I think. So far I thing I'll stick with the DGX-660 as I like to change and record the various combinations. The question I have is: Can I download additional Synth Sounds for it? If so, what is a good site to go to? Thanx, Michael.
Do you have a recommendation of a Piano that has the FEATURES of the Yamaha DGX-670 but also has the quality KEY Performance and SOUND of the FP-30X without having to pay $2,000 or something?
I understand having to pay more, but don't want to go that high. I mean, it's astounding what the Yamaha can do in comparison, but I want quality sound and performance of the keys too.
If you have $13,000 USD to spare, it'll have everything. Else no.
@@JeremySee ... Really, they make the 670 so good that there isn't anything "better" up to like $1,500 with the improved keys at least?
Man, that's crazy... The 670 is almost perfect but fixing the flaws you mentioned wouldn't cost that much more and they could price it so they even made a profit.
Bummer... Thanks for responding.
As usual, an interesting review with the Roland a clear winner for those wanting a digital piano (and one that's genuinely portable). To be honest I couldn't see a significant difference in size, both being the same length (and height) - the extra 10cm (rough guess) in depth for the Yamaha not really a deal-breaker.But the weight difference certainly is! I couldn't help but wonder if the reduced depth of the Roland made a difference when playing between the black keys (an issue with the Casio PX-S1000/3000 models). But generally while the Yamaha is named a digital piano it's also an arranger keyboard of some merit, so these instruments are aimed at slightly different markets (despite Yamaha's nomenclature). Roland doesn't include arranger features so that allowed them to produce a better piano in the price range. You are thinking of your piano students where, clearly, the Roland is the better choice. But for the wider market your channel reaches, the combination of good arranger features in an 88-note piano can be the ideal mix (although I agree with you and Yamaha could have had a better piano in the instrument plus better amplification - given the space available for the speakers - while maintaining the price).
Thanks for sharing, Bryan. Next video will play devil's advocate. 😅
@@JeremySee I look forward to that. Sorry I was so long-winded - got carried away!
Considering the one line out and weak speakers, what do you think is an easy external speaker solution for better quality sound at home on DGX-670 outside of using headphones?
Thanks for this review! (You may be living in a tiny appartment but your television set is designed for a loft 😉) )
😉 couldn't resist the deal they had for me on that 82"