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just a note that a common misconception is that japanese culture/anime took inspiration from jung & freud, but if you actually look it was the other way around. jung & freud took great inspiration from eastern collectivist culture found in asia. yes many anime take inspiration from the ideas of jung/freud but those ideas themselves were inspired by eastern culture
While the collective unconscious is an Unfalsafiable claim with little scientific merit, it is a fascinating idea for Philosophers and Writers. How we interact with other people is arguably the most important thing that makes us human, so exploration of that can easily make for an inpactful story.
As a psychology+socialwork undergrad THANK YOU SO MUCH for actually doing your research and not treating this material and it's originators lightly AND explaining your own research!!!!!!! Keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you for this video, I love these stories and it blows my mind to be introduced to these psychological concepts through such beautiful, twisted animations.
Anime, even JRPGs connect so much back to Jungian psychology and these concepts. Loved this video alot!! Hope you make more in this series. Your work is so well researched and well thought out.
I'm a huge psych and philosophy nerd and I can't wait for more of this. I really do think you had the right approach taking Freud and Jung as philosophers more than psychologist you get a lot more mileage out of them that way. I'm also really interested in the idea of internet as collective unconscious and what that means for the evolution of humanity. There are organisms which have evolved like insects to have such high communication that they're almost working like cells of the same body and if we can get past these initial growing pains and wonder if someday thousand thousands of years from now that might be where we end up. We highly prize individualism now but that might not always be the case and in the end we may not have a conscious choice in how things develop we may simply be pushed along the path of least resistance
I don't really understand why he keeps sort of bashing Jung's and Freud's thought. As if since their "conjectures" psychology got to the bottom of everything is going on within us and we can move on from the studies they made. This sounds like scientism to me. A critical approach to every work in the field of science or philosophy is always necessary, even when dealing with men that hold auctoritas in their field. That said, we might find some of their theories surpassed, but we definitely owe to them precious and inspiring insights.
Wish Jung got talked about as much a Freud. I’m so sick of Freud. Yea they were both mainly conjecture based, but Freud was a lot more gross. The most egregious contribution Jung made was the Electra complex but he pretty much disavowed it when he split with Freud. His work, while should be taken more philosophically, is a lot more interesting. Highly recommend his work on Alchemy. Eternalised did a really great video on it; see “Inner Gold: Psychology and Alchemy.”
What’s great about this show is that it is SO open to interpretation, and intellectually stimulating. Very similar in feel and atmosphere to some of David Lynch’s work, especially in the sound design.
Without going too far into spoilers, i suggest you watch "the empty man", a horror movie that might fit your idea of a being brought into existence via other peoples consciousness. Its a great movie.
I am a big fan of NGE, Akira and ghost in the shell, so can't wait to see the next videos in the series. Tho, will need to skip this one until I finish Serial Experiments Lain, I know the series will be brilliant and don't want to get spoiled until I get to experience it for myself.
@@thomasffrench3639 I didn't watch Gundam yet, but I plan to in the future. My favorite 20th century anime is Neon Genesis Evangelion, the original series with the End of Evangelion movie feel like a psychological and emotional journey hard to find in other series. Quite an uplifting series towards the end after you see the Earth and everything around the main character getting destroyed bit by bit. At least that's how I see the ending of EoE, some see it more bleak.
@@luckyowl10 I saw the original series two years ago, but I haven’t seen the compilation movies and EoE yet, and I’ll probably rewatch the entire thing in the future. It was great when I watched it, but I’m interested to see how it holds up on a rewatch. If you want to get into Gundam, I personally think you should start at the first anime, but if you want to watch the AU shows you can as well. My recommendation for the AU shows is Gundam 00.
@@thomasffrench3639 I suggest you to at least watch the End Of Evangelion, I consider it part of the original series, the ending the creator wanted, and it will help you understand better what happened in the end of the anime. As many know, they run out of funds on the last episodes of the series, that's why the original ending is that rushed and a bit weird. About the remake film series, I don't consider it as good as the original series + EoE, I feel like they lost the core of the series for more modern spectacle and a more muddied message. I am more of a completionist, so I think I will start from the original series, probably in release order (or in the best watch order the community think it is on forums). I watched the new Gundam Witch from Mercury and loved it, tried it because people said the timeline is different from the main one.
@@luckyowl10 yeah that’s why I started from the beginning as well. Quick explanation of the Gundam Universe: UC has (almost) all of the sequels prequels, and spin-offs in one timeline, and AU are all in their separate universes with pretty much no sequels, except for SEED. My impression from the Eva Rebuilds is that they are the original idea of the story before it evolved naturally to what the series would end up being. I’ve heard that Evangelion was originally meant to be a more typical mecha show in pre-production that evolved into exploring psychology of the characters.
The first instance of a "collective consciousness" in anime is (at least as far as I know) the Ide from Ideon, a mecha series by Yoshiyuki Tomino (the creator of Gundam) which was one of the main sources of inspiration for Evangelion. "Ide" is clearly a reference for the freudian "Id", another way of calling the "Es", or the Unconscious
I have to stop this and watch serial experiments lain but I just wanna say this about neon genesis evangelion; I've spent nearly 15 years as a film/ media snob and I've never seen anything like the asuka hospital scene in end of evangelion. That moment hit such a strange primal hormone filled feeling that was so oddly relatable. Some crazy Freudian feels man . That scene made me realize that the approaches to art in the east and west are fundamentally different
I just finished Part 1 "Sharing is Caring"- I apologize if you bring this up later but I wanted to get this thought out now while it is fresh: until this segment I never realized how similar the Internet/Collective Unconscious internet world-single-mind ideas in Serial Experiments Lain are to Neon Genesis Evangelion's concept of Human Instrumentality. I have done deep dives into both Jungian Philosophy Lain refers to and the Jewish Kabbalah that NGE uses as its metaphysical language to describe instrumentality. I need to think some more (and do some more research) if the similarities are inherent in the original philosophies or just shoe-horned in to make similar points. I should note that I am not a person prone to faith (at least in organized religion.) Although I love picking apart wisdom wherever I can find it, and even if I don't believe these things literally, I keep finding fascinating ideas in these traditions...*and* more similarities the deeper I look. (Perhaps alluding to some truth to at least a loose concept of a "collective unconscious" or "single universal consciousness" as our ultimate creation (or even ultimate destiny?)
I haven't finished the video at the moment but I felt like leaving a comment. At about the 16 minutes mark a analog is made about hypnotizing a person in pain to not feel the pain, I have a bodily issues where Im almost always in some form of pain and it never really leaves. After so long having pain everyday I cant tell its there unless I am trying to find it, then I find it. My pain is normal, so its not really painful anymore. Something similar happens with the Wired, you can only recognize the bad if you look for it, and if you know what bad isn't. Same thing with good, you only know its good if you look for it and if you know what it isn't. In a way nothing is what it seems, because we dont know what it isn't. We don't find these things because we dont know to look for it, we dont even know that these things even exsist. If you look for something, you will find it, even if its not really there. If you dont know to look, you cant find it, even if it isn't there. Ignorance is bliss, knowledgeable is pain, would we rather know the bad than be lied too? But we dont even know we have bliss until we have pain. Those are my thoughts, complicated as it is thats how I see things. Sorry for the long comment & sorry for the long rambling.
Great video! To me, it seems we can't even understand reality. We can only observe and express our understanding of what we see. And that is more than enough, that's what make our lives a true work of art. Don't worry, make a good melody and will break through the noise.
Freud I think has a lil more merit than his meme portrayal in the modern day gives him, given that his first major success in the field was "Believe when a person says they are being abused that this doesn't automatically make them delusional", but ultimately he was essentially the early psych version of a youtube influencer who did one thing that made him popular so he tried to make that one thing into his entire career. He narrowed in on the parental influence till it started to look like an incest kink and that's how he became known as what he is today. Jung though? Jung was just trying to start a fucking religion and shouldn't be considered as anything else. Dude would have been a cult leader if he actually knew how to properly pull the trigger on attracting and making a cult
@25 minutes - Bunbury by Tom Jacobson is an absurdist work about characters from fiction that are referred to but never seen in scene who all come together to interact
This was a fantastic video, but there was one aspect of it that really irked me. Jung never claimed that his theories were verifiable from a purely Scientific standpoint. He accepted his ignorance in these matters and spoke from the truth in his heart and his lived in experience. A stark contrast to the Scientists who make wildly unverifiable claims about the Genesis of the universe and the cessation of life (the assertion being that the void is absolute).
Paranoia Agent explores how such a thing actually kind of works. Not in a mystical sense as some like Jung believed, but in a social sense, that we're very good at altering our behavior to take advantage of, avoid, etc certain situations, with collective panic being the best example. I covered Paranoia Agent a couple months back, and really enjoyed how it explored the idea
I'm only about 26 minutes in (great video btw), but stopped to check the comments after you made rhe remark about someone showing uo at a party and everyone's memories being altered to believe they'd aleays been there... because i wanted to see if anyone jad mentioned Another! I'm kind of surprised no one has. It's a horror anime about a cursed classroom at a middle school. I won't go into it too much, but it involves there being one too many students in the class, and that one person is dead. But no one knows who since memories and even physical records are altered to obscure who it is. It's not exactly the same as collective unconscious/conscious bringing them into being, but it is possible that's how the curse originally began.
Unfortunately it took me a while to get around to this one since it’s length intimidated me. I’ll admit towards the middle there was a little too much jargon, it kinda blended together a bit and was hard to follow. Also, I’m not sure if it was your video or a new bug in TH-cam, but there was a lot of audio popping and skipping of words😅 All that said, I’m very interested in the concept of this series. My life was genuinely changed when I read Joseph Campbell’s interpretations of Jungian archetypes for storytelling, alongside stories like Childhood’s End and His Dark Materials, based so firmly in concepts of the collective unconscious and archetypes. In Childhood’s End, the Breakdown of the Barriers is portrayed as an unambiguously positive, albeit alien, event; one that was so fundamental it reverberated all through human history. (Essentially humanity is guided to this point by aliens who look very similar to devils, or rather, devils look similar to them thanks to the instinctual fear of the Breakdown of the Barriers.)
You can experience the fact of an existing collective consciousness and genuine telekinesis, along with evidence of a collective unconscious, with some ingredients from nature, say, a mushroom
The collective unconscious seems to be one of those concepts that just lends itself to sci-fi stories. It always felt like a godless creationism, the thought that there is a higher if not being, then purpose that guides all of mankind. To quote another philosopher in Voltaire, " if God did not exist, then man would certainly create Him," it feels like the concept of the collective unconscious was born out of this need. This feels like an in between step from faith in God to other philosophies like nihilism and absurdism or perhaps a longing for greater purpose in a world without one. If we as a collective humanity are all part of the collective unconscious, then we as individuals can all see a greater purpose in our lives. Though Lain doesn't seem to present this thought as exceptional healthy. I guess it comes down to, do we imagine Sisyphus happy, because he is at peace with the pointlessness of his task or is he happy, because he has deluded himself into thinking that continually pushing his boulder up a hill, serves humanities greater purpose? Really wonder what Sunny Boy says about Jung.
I way philosophy is that unseen force. Nothing is quite what we think it is tho. It grows closer to our thinking world,environment and able to influence us more. You regardless if you have had direct interaction with it it will still have a impact on your life
Gonna flex a bit of my degree here, but what you were saying about collective memory recreating/preserving a person reminds of queer death studies (see Death, Dying and Mourning from a Queer Feminist Perspective by Radomska et al. (2020) for an overview)
15:51 if you lack a limb, for example, no amount of hypnosis will make it grow back, that's just life for that particular person. Or let's say, if you want to fly flapping your arms, sure you may experience flight in your mind but, unless you hypnotize everyone else to see you flying, you'd be perceived as insane by other people, and you'd be still not flying, it would be just your mind playing tricks tho in a digital space you can do whatever your existence is still tied to your physical body (speaking on real world terms, ofc in fiction you could do anything, solve any problem with arbitrary and even unexplained workarounds... any flavor of deus ex machina lol)
Hi professor, long time viewer here. I don't know if you will ever see this but I feel like I need to at least try. I think you are smart and extremely hardworking person trying his best in this website. I want you to win and I want you to succeed but the numbers do not lie. I can yap around and about the 100 or so details and debate youtube algorithm. But I think I figured it out. Have you ever considered making a general Video essay channel? Like generally not about anime and just talk about Ideas and stuff? I feel that your style and general content focus meshes well with that kind of niche.
Thank you for the very kind words! I've thought about making more general videos like others of my style do, but I'm always worried about how they'll do. But, I've been needing a change recently, so you may seem something like that soon
It's just because it seems very collected in that time period. I know Code Geass tackles it, but I made a video covering that a few years back, and it just seemed fun to stick in an era that really went hard on the concept. Also, just for the record since it was brought up in the chain, I don't think anime now are less deep or anything silly like that, plenty of impactful series come out every year
I feel the same way about plenty of people I witness. Most times, you could even say I'm acting on envy, looking to be those people. The important part is that a negative emotion can motivate us to rid ourselves of it. Unless you meant Frued and Jung's ideas, in which case they were just crazy and, at least in Freud's case, coked up to hell and back
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Im not sure but if you hypnotise person to feel less pain you technically made world with less pain so It woud be better. even If you erase only the memory of pain and erase all evidence that still woud be the case, bad events in the past are bad because they leave bad outcomes like memories.
If you hate psychoanalysis and don't understand what Freud was trying to do and his dialogues with the "science" of his time (medicine, biology...) Why would you even try to explain concepts that depend on understanding the basic psychoanalysis history?
Even if this video should not suite the algorithm, you have once again made my day. :) All we can do is move forword, and I know you will make it to a point where you can go fulltime youtube and quit the shitty job where you wither...
Any modern Psychology class will cover the history and very basics of Freud, but they will do so briefly and informing the students that it's only to cover the ideas that led to much better ones
Ah anime, wher jung is probably the most remaining valid, as its fiction. (through very important explring at psychology, at their time, like freud) And jung way too much making it about spirituality for any siences good. Religion is ok, science too, but both a the same is, unless you strictly seperate, reciept or a cult. Not that jung is th worst oender, but , literal cults usually do ue that interchangable. Belief and science. Why fiction is fine, becaue you can make anything work there. An its not bad eithr and interesting. Also internet and forums and that might be , like how it blurries a line and that there way too thoughtless comments coming toigether and interacting. Maybe related?! Aaah i am dumb, lain, ... Also yeah unconciouness is a thing. its just what we notics but not concious. Or that we are related to our environmnt, memories and where we some from . Ok its scary enough how thing are remembered oten and spread wildly dierent that as they do happen fairly often. Thats really interesting but wild how we think we know something but it happened way different. I dont think things come out of nothing but what i find really interesting is that you can have ideas you had from somewhere, but forgot and that is what inluences something and humans are so dang creative that we want to tell stories, and make that happen, make that ral in cases. Because we are that damn ingenious. And that its a lot like intertextuality more than an unconcious and how stories, are all around us, how we tell ourselves. How that very much can blur what is real, what is imagined and made real, history even sometimes . I would not say something wills itself into existence, but well our environment is a pretty big inluence and the tendency to take shortcuts to stories, can be. And social constructs, are kinda ormed by someone, through its still people and media. Its more us making our own heaven or hell with that well interconnectiveness if had to take a side there and more people do have to interact with it and , it takes a life on its own. Ther exists that story SPC, i forgot, but that if thought of, will becom real and scary. i dont know which, but that exists.
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What's the anime at 6:05 called?
just a note that a common misconception is that japanese culture/anime took inspiration from jung & freud, but if you actually look it was the other way around. jung & freud took great inspiration from eastern collectivist culture found in asia. yes many anime take inspiration from the ideas of jung/freud but those ideas themselves were inspired by eastern culture
Eastern culture SOCIALISM, collective intelegentia, ppl are connected each other (event without internet/social media).
What a nightmare belief@@sutediheriyonoBaladMaUng
Ehhhh… Jung was just repacking the philosophies collectively known as Gnosticism.
That being said the gospel of Thomas looks mighty Buddhist.
Incidentally revisited Lain recently and had been doing a deep dive into it, so this couldn't have come at a better time. Really interesting video
Perfect timing! Thanks!
FINALLY! I’ve been thinking this for the longest time, being super into these anime and Jung. I’m so glad that someone else is talking about it!
I honestly figured it would be discussed more. I guess I can be very niche 🤣
While the collective unconscious is an Unfalsafiable claim with little scientific merit, it is a fascinating idea for Philosophers and Writers. How we interact with other people is arguably the most important thing that makes us human, so exploration of that can easily make for an inpactful story.
As someone with a psychology degree I’m so excited for this one! Love your content ☺️
Thank you, I hope it was enjoyable!
As a psychology+socialwork undergrad THANK YOU SO MUCH for actually doing your research and not treating this material and it's originators lightly AND explaining your own research!!!!!!! Keep it up 👏👏👏
Thank you for this video, I love these stories and it blows my mind to be introduced to these psychological concepts through such beautiful, twisted animations.
Of course, I'm happy to keep being able to do so!
I recommend you watch "Monster" anime, it goes deep into psychology and the philosophy of life and death
It's one I'm waiting to watch until I have more time since its longer, but it's one I will watch for certain!
Anime, even JRPGs connect so much back to Jungian psychology and these concepts. Loved this video alot!! Hope you make more in this series. Your work is so well researched and well thought out.
I've been going through eva again to prepare for the next part!
I'm a huge psych and philosophy nerd and I can't wait for more of this. I really do think you had the right approach taking Freud and Jung as philosophers more than psychologist you get a lot more mileage out of them that way.
I'm also really interested in the idea of internet as collective unconscious and what that means for the evolution of humanity. There are organisms which have evolved like insects to have such high communication that they're almost working like cells of the same body and if we can get past these initial growing pains and wonder if someday thousand thousands of years from now that might be where we end up.
We highly prize individualism now but that might not always be the case and in the end we may not have a conscious choice in how things develop we may simply be pushed along the path of least resistance
I don't really understand why he keeps sort of bashing Jung's and Freud's thought. As if since their "conjectures" psychology got to the bottom of everything is going on within us and we can move on from the studies they made. This sounds like scientism to me. A critical approach to every work in the field of science or philosophy is always necessary, even when dealing with men that hold auctoritas in their field. That said, we might find some of their theories surpassed, but we definitely owe to them precious and inspiring insights.
He’s ashamed that he finds them sensible. He fears the big boys who follow DeGrasse-Tyson will laugh at him.
Wish Jung got talked about as much a Freud. I’m so sick of Freud. Yea they were both mainly conjecture based, but Freud was a lot more gross. The most egregious contribution Jung made was the Electra complex but he pretty much disavowed it when he split with Freud. His work, while should be taken more philosophically, is a lot more interesting. Highly recommend his work on Alchemy. Eternalised did a really great video on it; see “Inner Gold: Psychology and Alchemy.”
I do respect that Jung spilt with him on the idea that *everything* was about sex, so I will give him more credit than Freud for sure
What’s great about this show is that it is SO open to interpretation, and intellectually stimulating. Very similar in feel and atmosphere to some of David Lynch’s work, especially in the sound design.
Without going too far into spoilers, i suggest you watch "the empty man", a horror movie that might fit your idea of a being brought into existence via other peoples consciousness.
Its a great movie.
I will have to keep that in mind for when I can stomach some horror haha
@ProfessorViral thanks, I really enjoyed your analysis, this is the first video of yours I've come across, but won't be the last for sure
I love this guy content so much, I can’t wait for all his videos
Thank you so much! 💙
I'm so happy I've found your channel today. Big big anime and psychology nerd here. Always been obsessed with Jung's works.
Happy I could provide some of both at once!
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Three words; Big Anime Tiddies.
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@@switchnx lol thanks I’m doing fine, friends and anime in my life both seem to be increasingly luckily
I am a big fan of NGE, Akira and ghost in the shell, so can't wait to see the next videos in the series. Tho, will need to skip this one until I finish Serial Experiments Lain, I know the series will be brilliant and don't want to get spoiled until I get to experience it for myself.
What is your favorite 20th Century anime? Mine is UC Gundam
@@thomasffrench3639 I didn't watch Gundam yet, but I plan to in the future.
My favorite 20th century anime is Neon Genesis Evangelion, the original series with the End of Evangelion movie feel like a psychological and emotional journey hard to find in other series. Quite an uplifting series towards the end after you see the Earth and everything around the main character getting destroyed bit by bit. At least that's how I see the ending of EoE, some see it more bleak.
@@luckyowl10 I saw the original series two years ago, but I haven’t seen the compilation movies and EoE yet, and I’ll probably rewatch the entire thing in the future. It was great when I watched it, but I’m interested to see how it holds up on a rewatch.
If you want to get into Gundam, I personally think you should start at the first anime, but if you want to watch the AU shows you can as well. My recommendation for the AU shows is Gundam 00.
@@thomasffrench3639 I suggest you to at least watch the End Of Evangelion, I consider it part of the original series, the ending the creator wanted, and it will help you understand better what happened in the end of the anime. As many know, they run out of funds on the last episodes of the series, that's why the original ending is that rushed and a bit weird. About the remake film series, I don't consider it as good as the original series + EoE, I feel like they lost the core of the series for more modern spectacle and a more muddied message.
I am more of a completionist, so I think I will start from the original series, probably in release order (or in the best watch order the community think it is on forums). I watched the new Gundam Witch from Mercury and loved it, tried it because people said the timeline is different from the main one.
@@luckyowl10 yeah that’s why I started from the beginning as well. Quick explanation of the Gundam Universe: UC has (almost) all of the sequels prequels, and spin-offs in one timeline, and AU are all in their separate universes with pretty much no sequels, except for SEED.
My impression from the Eva Rebuilds is that they are the original idea of the story before it evolved naturally to what the series would end up being. I’ve heard that Evangelion was originally meant to be a more typical mecha show in pre-production that evolved into exploring psychology of the characters.
The first instance of a "collective consciousness" in anime is (at least as far as I know) the Ide from Ideon, a mecha series by Yoshiyuki Tomino (the creator of Gundam) which was one of the main sources of inspiration for Evangelion. "Ide" is clearly a reference for the freudian "Id", another way of calling the "Es", or the Unconscious
I have to stop this and watch serial experiments lain but I just wanna say this about neon genesis evangelion; I've spent nearly 15 years as a film/ media snob and I've never seen anything like the asuka hospital scene in end of evangelion. That moment hit such a strange primal hormone filled feeling that was so oddly relatable. Some crazy Freudian feels man . That scene made me realize that the approaches to art in the east and west are fundamentally different
Everything coming back to sex in Eva make it feel like it'll be so much more Freudian than even I'm ready for haha
Boosting the Algorithm as I love Jungian psychology and crave more content containing it always.
I have no doubt that their is something man is attached to that immensely important to us as individuals but as a whole and that we will evolve.
The story you described about a fake person is basically the “born from a wish” dlc of silent hill 2
I just finished Part 1 "Sharing is Caring"- I apologize if you bring this up later but I wanted to get this thought out now while it is fresh: until this segment I never realized how similar the Internet/Collective Unconscious internet world-single-mind ideas in Serial Experiments Lain are to Neon Genesis Evangelion's concept of Human Instrumentality.
I have done deep dives into both Jungian Philosophy Lain refers to and the Jewish Kabbalah that NGE uses as its metaphysical language to describe instrumentality.
I need to think some more (and do some more research) if the similarities are inherent in the original philosophies or just shoe-horned in to make similar points.
I should note that I am not a person prone to faith (at least in organized religion.) Although I love picking apart wisdom wherever I can find it, and even if I don't believe these things literally, I keep finding fascinating ideas in these traditions...*and* more similarities the deeper I look. (Perhaps alluding to some truth to at least a loose concept of a "collective unconscious" or "single universal consciousness" as our ultimate creation (or even ultimate destiny?)
2000s / 90s anime is the best thing to ever exist
I haven't finished the video at the moment but I felt like leaving a comment.
At about the 16 minutes mark a analog is made about hypnotizing a person in pain to not feel the pain, I have a bodily issues where Im almost always in some form of pain and it never really leaves. After so long having pain everyday I cant tell its there unless I am trying to find it, then I find it. My pain is normal, so its not really painful anymore.
Something similar happens with the Wired, you can only recognize the bad if you look for it, and if you know what bad isn't. Same thing with good, you only know its good if you look for it and if you know what it isn't.
In a way nothing is what it seems, because we dont know what it isn't. We don't find these things because we dont know to look for it, we dont even know that these things even exsist.
If you look for something, you will find it, even if its not really there. If you dont know to look, you cant find it, even if it isn't there. Ignorance is bliss, knowledgeable is pain, would we rather know the bad than be lied too? But we dont even know we have bliss until we have pain.
Those are my thoughts, complicated as it is thats how I see things. Sorry for the long comment & sorry for the long rambling.
Ohhh nooo...
Man you cant do this to me :(
You tease me with such amazing topics and then say you will potentially not make the other videos D:
I genuinely hate to not do so, but I have to appease the algorithm lords so I can be less stressed one day 😔
Great video! To me, it seems we can't even understand reality. We can only observe and express our understanding of what we see. And that is more than enough, that's what make our lives a true work of art. Don't worry, make a good melody and will break through the noise.
Sonny Boy was the warning sign of this video, and sadly I chose to ignore it and proceed T_T
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@34 minutes - A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth has time to get its pants on - Mark Twain
Freud I think has a lil more merit than his meme portrayal in the modern day gives him, given that his first major success in the field was "Believe when a person says they are being abused that this doesn't automatically make them delusional", but ultimately he was essentially the early psych version of a youtube influencer who did one thing that made him popular so he tried to make that one thing into his entire career. He narrowed in on the parental influence till it started to look like an incest kink and that's how he became known as what he is today.
Jung though? Jung was just trying to start a fucking religion and shouldn't be considered as anything else. Dude would have been a cult leader if he actually knew how to properly pull the trigger on attracting and making a cult
All I know about old anime is that Getter Rays evolve us from apes to humans to Newtypes.
Vid deserves way more than 19k views.
I do remember this one fondly, so I'd love for it to have more, but almost 20k people watching a thing I've made is still pretty insane!
@25 minutes - Bunbury by Tom Jacobson is an absurdist work about characters from fiction that are referred to but never seen in scene who all come together to interact
Suffering so hard that escapism
turns to schizophrenia :)
no u
this is so exciting! i cant wait to see the following videos!❤
Yeah ngl, this is way above my pay grade. On the bright side I have a whole lot of new reading material so thank you
Happy I can provide that haha
Read a copy of Jung’s Big Red Book. It will give you a whole new appreciation for this failed preacher/artist.
Ready for the video man, which I had popcorn though. Could do with some bree bread at the house
This was a fantastic video, but there was one aspect of it that really irked me.
Jung never claimed that his theories were verifiable from a purely Scientific standpoint. He accepted his ignorance in these matters and spoke from the truth in his heart and his lived in experience. A stark contrast to the Scientists who make wildly unverifiable claims about the Genesis of the universe and the cessation of life (the assertion being that the void is absolute).
Collection of consciousness, kind of reminds me of Paranoia Agent.
Paranoia Agent explores how such a thing actually kind of works. Not in a mystical sense as some like Jung believed, but in a social sense, that we're very good at altering our behavior to take advantage of, avoid, etc certain situations, with collective panic being the best example. I covered Paranoia Agent a couple months back, and really enjoyed how it explored the idea
Fire Force is another anime that tackled the idea of collective consciousness just to throw it out there.
Really? I wouldn't have expected that, I'd only seen a few episodes
I'm only about 26 minutes in (great video btw), but stopped to check the comments after you made rhe remark about someone showing uo at a party and everyone's memories being altered to believe they'd aleays been there... because i wanted to see if anyone jad mentioned Another! I'm kind of surprised no one has. It's a horror anime about a cursed classroom at a middle school. I won't go into it too much, but it involves there being one too many students in the class, and that one person is dead. But no one knows who since memories and even physical records are altered to obscure who it is. It's not exactly the same as collective unconscious/conscious bringing them into being, but it is possible that's how the curse originally began.
@ProfessorViral, an anime has already been made on a being been born from conscious recollection terrorizing people
it's called In/Spectre
watching this a year later and cant stop thinkijg about the yume nikki game collective unconscious
Unfortunately it took me a while to get around to this one since it’s length intimidated me.
I’ll admit towards the middle there was a little too much jargon, it kinda blended together a bit and was hard to follow. Also, I’m not sure if it was your video or a new bug in TH-cam, but there was a lot of audio popping and skipping of words😅
All that said, I’m very interested in the concept of this series. My life was genuinely changed when I read Joseph Campbell’s interpretations of Jungian archetypes for storytelling, alongside stories like Childhood’s End and His Dark Materials, based so firmly in concepts of the collective unconscious and archetypes.
In Childhood’s End, the Breakdown of the Barriers is portrayed as an unambiguously positive, albeit alien, event; one that was so fundamental it reverberated all through human history. (Essentially humanity is guided to this point by aliens who look very similar to devils, or rather, devils look similar to them thanks to the instinctual fear of the Breakdown of the Barriers.)
You can experience the fact of an existing collective consciousness and genuine telekinesis, along with evidence of a collective unconscious, with some ingredients from nature, say, a mushroom
The collective unconscious seems to be one of those concepts that just lends itself to sci-fi stories. It always felt like a godless creationism, the thought that there is a higher if not being, then purpose that guides all of mankind. To quote another philosopher in Voltaire, " if God did not exist, then man would certainly create Him," it feels like the concept of the collective unconscious was born out of this need. This feels like an in between step from faith in God to other philosophies like nihilism and absurdism or perhaps a longing for greater purpose in a world without one. If we as a collective humanity are all part of the collective unconscious, then we as individuals can all see a greater purpose in our lives. Though Lain doesn't seem to present this thought as exceptional healthy. I guess it comes down to, do we imagine Sisyphus happy, because he is at peace with the pointlessness of his task or is he happy, because he has deluded himself into thinking that continually pushing his boulder up a hill, serves humanities greater purpose? Really wonder what Sunny Boy says about Jung.
I'd like to hear your take on the parallels of lane and merdoc scramble.
Why does this randomly skip ?
There's series i recommend watching its called Pantheon it's similar to Serial Experiments Lain
Oh yeah that seems fairly similar, I'll keep it in mind!
@@ProfessorViral No prob Professor! :D
I way philosophy is that unseen force. Nothing is quite what we think it is tho. It grows closer to our thinking world,environment and able to influence us more. You regardless if you have had direct interaction with it it will still have a impact on your life
a being being born from conscious recollection : final fantasy 10 and 10-2
Gonna flex a bit of my degree here, but what you were saying about collective memory recreating/preserving a person reminds of queer death studies (see Death, Dying and Mourning from a Queer Feminist Perspective by Radomska et al. (2020) for an overview)
Screenshot that so I can't lose it!
15:51 if you lack a limb, for example, no amount of hypnosis will make it grow back, that's just life for that particular person. Or let's say, if you want to fly flapping your arms, sure you may experience flight in your mind but, unless you hypnotize everyone else to see you flying, you'd be perceived as insane by other people, and you'd be still not flying, it would be just your mind playing tricks
tho in a digital space you can do whatever your existence is still tied to your physical body (speaking on real world terms, ofc in fiction you could do anything, solve any problem with arbitrary and even unexplained workarounds... any flavor of deus ex machina lol)
Hi professor, long time viewer here. I don't know if you will ever see this but I feel like I need to at least try.
I think you are smart and extremely hardworking person trying his best in this website. I want you to win and I want you to succeed but the numbers do not lie. I can yap around and about the 100 or so details and debate youtube algorithm.
But I think I figured it out.
Have you ever considered making a general Video essay channel?
Like generally not about anime and just talk about Ideas and stuff? I feel that your style and general content focus meshes well with that kind of niche.
Thank you for the very kind words! I've thought about making more general videos like others of my style do, but I'm always worried about how they'll do. But, I've been needing a change recently, so you may seem something like that soon
Ahhhhh a topic I am super about seeing investigation on ❤❤
Thanks for the support, happy I can provide a look into it!
25:50 Rick and Morty did this in S2 E4 - Total Rickall
I have a question, how come you only chose 1990s Animes for this topic of collective unconscious and carl jung psychology?
Maybe he doesn’t like the 80s aesthetic?
@@thomasffrench3639 well my question was implying animes in early and late 2000s
@@TheKnightOfZ0 because modern anime are not deep or complex.
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@@legendary3952 Lmfao How so?
It's just because it seems very collected in that time period. I know Code Geass tackles it, but I made a video covering that a few years back, and it just seemed fun to stick in an era that really went hard on the concept. Also, just for the record since it was brought up in the chain, I don't think anime now are less deep or anything silly like that, plenty of impactful series come out every year
If i had a coin for every anime i didnt spect to touch the colective unconcius theme i would have a suspicius amount of coins
tbh only god and maybe 1 youtube employee know how the algorithm works, deadass
Yeah, even when people say they know, it's just trying things until something works for them
Thought provoking…
Thanks!
Yo my man deeper than me, I'm mad jelly rn.....
I feel the same way about plenty of people I witness. Most times, you could even say I'm acting on envy, looking to be those people. The important part is that a negative emotion can motivate us to rid ourselves of it. Unless you meant Frued and Jung's ideas, in which case they were just crazy and, at least in Freud's case, coked up to hell and back
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Makes more sense than Lain still
@@ProfessorViral of course, I'm great
Im not sure but if you hypnotise person to feel less pain you technically made world with less pain so It woud be better. even If you erase only the memory of pain and erase all evidence that still woud be the case, bad events in the past are bad because they leave bad outcomes like memories.
Ooooooh.... I see lain, but are you going to also toss in the fate franchise or boogiepop when the topic is the collective unconscious?
I alway, the original aside, saw it as really a fanfic universe in the best way possible. But if there is to say, good.
Let's all love Lain
Let's all love Lain
If you hate psychoanalysis and don't understand what Freud was trying to do and his dialogues with the "science" of his time (medicine, biology...) Why would you even try to explain concepts that depend on understanding the basic psychoanalysis history?
Lots of debate since the foundations of psychoanalysis until today about the "science" status of psychoanalysis, maybe you should read about :)
The idea at 25:43 kinda sounded like a reverse, "the girl the universe forgot"
Bro this is the deepest dive into serial experiments Lain I've seen yet. You have a gift for relating human concepts to clinical concepts
Thanks very kind, thank you! 💙
Interesting
It's some very wild stuff
Please watch the tatami galaxy and its sequel!!!
Even if this video should not suite the algorithm, you have once again made my day. :)
All we can do is move forword, and I know you will make it to a point where you can go fulltime youtube and quit the shitty job where you wither...
Hey, that's what it's all about, thank you 💙
Ok but you need to talk persona too
Review One Punch Man please!
Enjoyed til 36:30 politics gross
What? I dont get it. Im not american
Psychologic another name for religion without ritual but science metodology to find the thruth.
Lol theres something seriously wrong with higher education
Any modern Psychology class will cover the history and very basics of Freud, but they will do so briefly and informing the students that it's only to cover the ideas that led to much better ones
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Ah anime, wher jung is probably the most remaining valid, as its fiction. (through very important explring at psychology, at their time, like freud)
And jung way too much making it about spirituality for any siences good. Religion is ok, science too, but both a the same is, unless you strictly seperate, reciept or a cult. Not that jung is th worst oender, but , literal cults usually do ue that interchangable. Belief and science.
Why fiction is fine, becaue you can make anything work there. An its not bad eithr and interesting.
Also internet and forums and that might be , like how it blurries a line and that there way too thoughtless comments coming toigether and interacting. Maybe related?!
Aaah i am dumb, lain, ...
Also yeah unconciouness is a thing. its just what we notics but not concious. Or that we are related to our environmnt, memories and where we some from .
Ok its scary enough how thing are remembered oten and spread wildly dierent that as they do happen fairly often. Thats really interesting but wild how we think we know something but it happened way different.
I dont think things come out of nothing but what i find really interesting is that you can have ideas you had from somewhere, but forgot and that is what inluences something and humans are so dang creative that we want to tell stories, and make that happen, make that ral in cases. Because we are that damn ingenious.
And that its a lot like intertextuality more than an unconcious and how stories, are all around us, how we tell ourselves. How that very much can blur what is real, what is imagined and made real, history even sometimes .
I would not say something wills itself into existence, but well our environment is a pretty big inluence and the tendency to take shortcuts to stories, can be. And social constructs, are kinda ormed by someone, through its still people and media.
Its more us making our own heaven or hell with that well interconnectiveness if had to take a side there and more people do have to interact with it and , it takes a life on its own.
Ther exists that story SPC, i forgot, but that if thought of, will becom real and scary. i dont know which, but that exists.
Thank you for commenting on the growing anti queer misinformation.