Stephen A. can't believe Max picks George Foreman over MJ in a better comeback debate | First Take
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- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman debate the better comeback between boxer George Foreman returning at age 45 and Michael Jordan's return to the Chicago Bulls.
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0:00 Stephen A. Smith is shocked that Max Kellerman picks George Foreman.
1:40 Stephen A. reads a list of Foreman's opponents to make the case for Michael Jordan.
4:38 Stephen A. and Max have a heated debate.
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0:00 Stephen A. Smith is shocked that Max Kellerman picks George Foreman.
1:40 Stephen A. reads a list of Foreman's opponents to make the case for Michael Jordan.
4:38 Stephen A. and Max have a heated debate.
Do not debate max and boxing. Its extremely impressive his knowledge and the amount he has compared to any other analyst and their main sport
This is why Jordan fans and cowboy fans are the same ... you can’t give ANYONE credit if it over shadows Jordan
Stephen A., I love ya, but you DEAD WRONG ON THIS!!!
Stephen A is totally wrong on this
I agree with Max on this ☝️.
Foreman comeback is the best story in the history of Sports.
MAX is 1000000000% right!!! It takes insane talent to do what Foreman did
Facts
Agreed!!!
Stephen A is a basketball head, so his biased opinion loses this debate😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
agreed!!!!!!
George was 40 what
Stephen A is straight up wrong this time. Foreman’s comeback wouldn’t even be believable if it didn’t happen
Stephen A is straight up wrong every time
For real
Stephen A. Is too much of a groupie on this one... I usually disagree with Max. But he is spot on.
Yup
I mean Everytime MJ is involved in a convo for Stephen A it's always MJ
MJ went on vacation while Foreman came back from the grave. No contest.
Love this comment...perfect metaphor for this situation
Replace Vacation with Suspension lol
Well no he went to play another sport, and got his body attuned to playing another sport. But yeah I still side with Max on this one.
Suspension* 😂
Hahaha😂😂😂. That came back from the grave part.
If George foreman’s comeback was a movie it wouldn’t be believable 💯
It’d make a great movie though!
Man came back 2 generations later
Team sports can’t compare to Individual sports. Especially a combat sport. Foreman had one of the Greatest sports accomplishment. 20 year gap between titles.
@@Anonymous-gy4lp Didn’t just come back, beat the lineal champion.
@@drevm7991 didn’t just beat, had him flat on his back.
As much as I love MJ, you gotta respect Foreman’s comeback. Max is right this time.
Nope
@@KushDreams420 it's not triggering, just look at the facts everyone who grew up watching basketball in the 80s and 90s. Don't get me wrong, George Foreman is one of the best pound for pound. But we all knew during the 80s and 90s Era, how polarized Jordan and the bulls were. The Day mj announced he was coming back, every known news station was making that known
Max is right more often than not.
@@DrezzyEFTP The question is who had the more impressive Comeback ?
When MJ came back he lost to the Magic in the 2ND round in 1995.
George won a world title 20 years after his last one. That’s definitely more impressive.
@@yvans. yea but how long did it take to win a title, and you're forgetting MJ, kept most hall of farmers from winning a ring
Foreman was in his forties smoking people. No question Foreman
Yeah! Jordan barely had a comeback
@@PatternSon umm another 3peat is barely a comeback?! Dumb
@@jeffreymann6990 the man barely retired, but okay buddy
@@jeffreymann6990 topic shouldn't even be debatable. it's common sense Foreman.
Jordan
Stephen A mad he don’t know much about boxing like Max 😂
That's why they need to stop letting him talk about it. MMA too.
Sport in general.
This is when Max really shines. SAS really just shuts up when any fighting comes up.
Someone get that drug test ready for SAS. I bet even Skip wouldn't deny that Foreman's comeback was better
As Long As LeBron Doesn’t Say Foreman’s Comeback Better He’d Say The Same
Shiiiiiiiid mj never lost a game in skips eyes
Yea; That’s what he does
If that's what you think, then you don't know Skip Bayless.
Actually, I think I agree with Max on this one. The amount of time that Foreman took off and how old he was, facing boxers like half his age was remarkable!
A broken clock is right twice a day
@@geronimopratt7976 haha, yes, that’s true!
U smoking
max is an mj hater...
@@DrezzyEFTP nope, just a difference of opinion.
I'm sorry George's comeback was wayyyy more impressive. Boxing you can LITERALLY die. MJ was still in his prime. Boxing is by far a harder more physically demanding sport. And I love MJ
Exactly!
Foreman's story is much more incredible, but I wonder if Stephen A is hinting at something else, like boxing being fixed or something. MJ's comeback was amazing - he retired after his dad was killed, played baseball which his dad always wanted him to play, and then he came back to three-peat again. But he was still a young man, in his prime.
Jordan
Yea; He tripped again
@@rmellrobinson821 no y’all tripping
Agree with Max. I love MJ. I grew up in Chicago, and watched him do amazing things. BUT, George Foreman was retired for over a decade.....and won the heavyweight title in his 40’s. It was a special moment. Foreman was laying traps the entire fight, throwing off-speed punches, and then back to back 1-2’s knocked out Moorer.
George was a ferocious puncher, always. Holyfield went back to his corner during their fight and asked, “Are my teeth still there? I can’t feel my entire face.” George also reinvented his boxing defense. Ali called George “The Mummy”, because he defended by sticking his hands out front and catching punches. Ali was too quick though. George returned using a cross-guard. Completely different, and then changed his defense as needed during fights.
MJ’s return was at his PEAK, and he had a top 50 all-time NBA next to him.
The Foreman story, from losing the biggest fight ever, to becoming depressed and vanishing from the world, finding god, and returning a better man. Its a great story.
Jordan
Crazy
U from my city and go against anything MJ related smh shame on you
@@lonnieknight9187 you sleep foreman came back from the grave to get the title and it’s not a knock on MJ but he was still in his prime when he came back and still had a great supporting cast. Foreman only had Foreman💯💯
@@anthonymims4217 man idc if from chicago anything involving MJ is the answer
This is one thing I hate about sports media. It’s like a lot of them are afraid to go against MJ.
You can't go against money he's the goat
@@jimangler984 Yes he’s the goat. But I mean that doesn’t mean he’s the best at everything. Knowing ESPN they’d try to say he shoots the ball better than Curry
As they should be.
@@jimangler984 lol
@@greglock7427 I mean he might not shoot the three ball better than Curry but I would say he's more clutch than Curry any day of the week I would take him over Steph Curry any day of the week in their prime
Sorry Max is 100% correct! Foreman way pass his prime K.O.”s a man he was 18 years older than him. ( age 46 BTW, Moore was 27) and claims the heavyweight crown! That was insane, only George and Bhop claimed titles way pass their primes. Michael Jordan was still in his prime, with a nice supporting cast to help him
The only way you could say mj come back is better is if he won on the wizards
Even then it wouldn't match up.
@@MrCHI2cool it would be close, carrying that scrub team.
@@MrCHI2cool Yes it would. It's always more difficult to lead others than controlling oneself. Never the less both feats are great by Mj and Foreman.
Yep
I agree
This is why I can’t take MJ fan girls serious
It has nothing to do with being mj fan...
I'm a mj fan...Steven a is just pompous and arrogant..so he can never admit when he's wrong
45 year old George Foreman beating 26 year old southpaw Michael Moorer former Light heavyweight champion and current heavyweight champion at that time was far more impressive.
To be fair when Jordan returned he was 32 and still in great shape, even if he had been playing a different sport for two years. Foreman returned to boxing and reclaimed his title after not fighting for almost 20 years. What Foreman accomplished was without a doubt more difficult. All Micheal had to do was transition his body from Baseball to Basketball. Foreman had to start from scratch all over again.
Yeah I don’t understand why this is a debate because Jordan was only off for 2 years
@@Solznmid Exactly and he was still physically active throughout those two years.
Exactly.
@@Solznmid 2years
Baseball shape is not basketball shape. It's probably one of the most physically demanding activities outside combat sports
Max is most definitely right do you know how old George foreman was and doing it in the heavyweight division
Exactly 💯 facts
Jordan’s “comeback” in like 1994. That was not a comeback. That was a break. As for him coming out of retirement to play for the Wizards. I mean MJ was good but he was only a shadow of himself at that point
He was the best player when he came back.
@@waynelaney42 He was in his prime tho.
He went away for gambling violations and the NBA covered it up.
@@ISYMFS863 or not.
Last ten games before his tear injury with wizards he was averaging 29, 6, 6. But yeah fact still remains
What's so unbelievable about what Max said? He's right. Foremans comeback has to be appreciated. George foreman missed probably 20 years and won the title at age 45, while MJ missed 18 months
Foreman came back at 40 and won the heavyweight title what did Jordan do at 40
My mans was 45 and whe knoked mfs out
jordan didn't do nothing. Dude got carried by pippen.
@Ol' GOAT City I agree that Foreman’s comeback was better, but MJ did not get carried u casual😂😂
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros 🤦🏾♂️
@@PeanutButterAndJellyBros 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan lost in 95 in his comeback...he didn’t comeback in 96 lol...people like to pretend that didn’t happen. And I don’t wanna hear he was rusty cuz he was ballin when he came back and gave the Knicks 55. Getting Rodman is what made them better.
Lol he played 25 regular season games. Why such a hater. He’s the goat of his sport. Just appreciate
@@brentt8940 still lost. Stop sucking him off lmao.
@@brentt8940 how df is he a hater he didn't say anything bad about him
@@brentt8940 how df is he a hater he didn't say anything bad about him
@@brentt8940 I ain’t hating I’m just speaking the truth. His comeback wasn’t great. I don’t count the 96 season as his comeback year cuz it wasn’t.
George Foreman is is the pinnacle of comeback greatness
When Stephen A. screams like this he knows he’s wrong.
*SAS entire argument:* "It's Michael Jordan"
So you just gonna ignore the points he made? I mean you're looking and listening to video of him making his point.
@@MindoftheNorthStar and at the end Big George comeback was more impressive 😂
@@MindoftheNorthStar 😂😂😂😂😂
It George Foreman by a landslide. It not even a debate. Stephen A . Look foolish here.
MJ is going to come out of retirement tomorrow because he will take this personally. lol
Fr 🤣
Funny.
😂
If MJ did that and actually wins the championship w/ the Hornets, HE'S gonna be the undisputed GOAT
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xx1j he already is the undisputed greatest nba player ever and will be for a long time
Max's argument is way superior, he is on a streak lately.
Honestly
George Foreman's comeback is the greatest comeback in sports history. Period.
As epic as Jordan's comeback from playing stick-ball was, it's no comparison to a 45 yr old man coming back 15 yrs later and beating younger fighters to win the heavyweight strap. A comeback in boxing is always more difficult, due to the fact the they get hit upside the head for a living. An old man coming back in a combat sport is always gonna be harder and more impressive than throwing a basketball through a hoop.
Facts
Max is right on this one. Jordan came back on a better team in the same era and played against guys he already was dominating before. Foreman was older, cubbier and fighting a whole new era of heavyweights and the 90s was one of the best decades for heavyweight boxing as well. Foreman's comeback was better
Stephen A gets heated and acts like it's obvious and he's almost always wrong in those cases 🤣
George Foreman was 45 years old, coming back into the heavy weight division against young dudes. Michael Jordan was still in his prime, and had a great team. You dont have any help in boxing, you're on your own in the ring. I agree with Max on this one
That’s better then Jordan’s comeback 😂😂😂
Than* not then
@@readingisfundamental5996 no one asked
@@mosghz1_70 i asked it
@@magicchessreplays6937 😂💀
I don't think a lot of people understand the amount of sheer talent and conditioning it took for Foreman to do what he did. Boxing is a ridiculously punishing sport, physically and mentally. No comparison to the NBA here in this scenario.
Allot of people do understand. SAS is the only one who doesn't
Excellent content
Max laugh and confidence in this one is like winning a debate to his parents.
I agree with max
Stephen A is clearly wrong. MJ retired in his prime and returned in his prime. I don't get why Stephen A is pushing this baseless argument
A 32 year old Jordan to me isn’t really a comeback he’s still prime if he won a ring with the wizards in the second comeback at 38 then I can see a debate and don’t forget Jordan lost to the Magic in the Eastern Conference Finals initially when he came back....Max is right Foreman becoming heavyweight champ at 45 is insane this is not even close have more respect to boxing Stephen A
Stephen A completely forgetting about Michael Jordan’s comeback with the Washington Wizards (at age 38). I would too.
I love how passionate max is about boxing. When it gets brought up he looks like a kid in a candy store 😂 respect
I’m have to go with max on this I can’t believe I’m going with max but he right about this. 1 Jordan was still great just took a year off
Max is more right than wrong you guys need to stop with this narrative.
I loved this discussion, both are best on what they are speaking 😍😍😍
Now this is how you do a debate show! What an excellent topic!
Bro MJs comeback was when he was still in his late prime and in his 30s
Exactly
Yep
Fun fact: The George Foreman grill was originally supposed to be the Hulk Hogan grill, but he passed on it. A couple hundred million dollar mistake. Ouch.
These debates are fun. More like these.
That head snap towards max and the “what” at the same time was box office hilarious 😂
As a jordan fan boy I would agree
Same here. Comparing ANYBODY in this world to Jordan is just pure disrespect.
@@BJ2Suavee yall really worshipping people out here
@@thesinghstudy9774 😂
You're a fanboy?, I can't even tell
oh dam I thought you was the real michael jordan.
Max has always been Right(Except From I want Igoudala) But the Kawhi And Kobe Comparisons was at that age Kawhi was more Clutch than Kobe at 29
Curry is 0-8 with go ahead shots in the playoffs, so it’s a reasonable take from his perspective. Curry performs better overall and is consistently a better shooter, but the question was who do you want taking the last shot.
@@immortal8447 stephen curry will never ever get an open shot even if kd and klay is on the team in the final seconds. No one is guarding iggy because of steph's gravity. in a way he made that shot attempt by iggy wayyy more open. I mean even iggy agrees with it.
@@Bruh-gs9ky yeah that’s a fair point. But not all 8 are excusable. He had a silly travel against Portland, and the 3 against the raptors was a good enough look by his standards. I don’t remember all of Iggy’s clutch shots, but he did hit a pretty contested mid range against the magic in 2009. I think Max’s point was that curry isn’t clutch in certain situations, but if it’s open I definitely want curry taking it
Foreman doing this today would be like Mike Tyson coming out of retirement and competing for the belts with Joshua, Fury Wilder, and Ruiz
MJ came back to Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Phil Jackson. And they were still good. Foreman was 40 plus fighting Tommy Morrison, Evander Holyfield, Gerry Cooney etc. Dangerous fighters in his way after becoming depressed and turning his life around, coming back to boxing as a whole new man, reinvented himself, and beat a young heavyweight champion named Michael Moorer (26) who was being coached by Teddy Atlas at the time. Nobody thought Foreman would be a heavyweight champion of the world again at age 45. But the dream happened...
At this point idk who is a bigger Jordan Stan Skip or Stephen A my goodness let them tell it Jordan created Basketball 🤦♂️
I mean the bulls was like the Beatles in the 90s
Stephen a gets paid more than Max. Not because he's correct, but because he has to sell to the audience the obviously wrong answer.
He does a good job pretending as if his answer is obviously right lmaoo
Michael’s comeback was similar to Ali. Were the best before they left and lost a step when they returned but they still managed to dominate. George Foreman’s return would be like Shaq coming out of retirement and winning Finals MVP
Foreman for me too. In his 40’s and still boxed like a monster winning the heavyweight championship!
ESPN has no news to talk about lmao
Fox Sports been covering D. Watson scandal
Love how this shows the two sports they love the most. Haha.
“This is unbelievable, you should be ashamed of yourself” 😭😭😭 SAS too funny
"I love the grill" LMFAO
Max is right on this! Steven A place... Foreman's comeback is WAYYY more impressive. Im surprised this a debate
I agree with Max. You can't compare a year-and-a-half to literally 20 years I'm sorry. If Jordan was retired for like 5 years or so then maybe
People always forget that the Bulls were one call away from making it to the finals without Jordan....
Exactly 💯!
What made Foreman comeback title win that more special was how gracefully he walked to the corner of the ring, looked up, then took a knee to thank🙌 his CREATOR "GOD" WOW! Like he was on a Spiritual mission and finished it. Crazy Special!
Still no D. Watson segment. Why ESPN?
did you watch the show?
Stephen A is arguing the prestige of their names rather than actually looking at their comebacks.
Debating between sports seems like a pointless debate because what is demanded from both is completely different
especially if you're comparing basketball to boxing. Would be fair to say boxing might be the tougher sport between the two, right.
George Foreman was out of his sport for 10 years. Michael Jordan was still in his prime. Some say 2nd threepeat MJ was the best version of him. He was more muscular, smarter, and his mid-range fadeaway was perfected.
I love talking Jordan though. For March and April, I'll wear my 10s. The silhouette he wore when he returned to the NBA in 1995. Scottie wore him and famously pointed his finger on the 10's outsole telling MJ to come back.
Man.. I love those grills, best comeback ever!
They definitely had this segment just to get them riled up 😂
When has anybody had this debate??
Either that or SAS and Max were just talking and that became a topic of discussion 🤔
Retired for 20 years doing nothing then coming back and winning the championship right after is better than retiring for 2 years to still play an athletic TEAM sport (baseball) then coming back to play another athletic TEAM sport to win 3 chips.
"stood there with his jaw out"🤣🤣🤣🤣these two are giving the Undisputed duo of Skip and Shannon run for there money👊
It's more difficult to come back in an individual spot than it is a team sport.
Great point.
Jordans greatest rivals: Danny Ainge, Dan Majerle, Craig Ehlo, Jeff Hornaceck lol and people act like he's God lol
Lol you sound super educated. You might want to see the people jordan beat and lost too
@@brentt8940 uh oh here comes the Jordan fan club lol
@@NoName-cn3cp lol I know what fan club your from .... 🤣🤣🤣
Lebron James!!!
@@brentt8940 only old people use the 😂 emoji. You're welcome.
I agree
I'm an MJ fan, but Foreman's comeback is way impressive coz he was already 40 yrs old when he comeback.
Does Stephen A. even know who George Foreman is
Jesus rising from the grave easily greatest comeback of all time 💯💯
🤣🤣🤣
That's why he's the king of kings and lord of lords..
Amen!!!
Facts💯💯
WOW!! 😳😳😳 NOTHING TOPS THAT COMEBACK!! 💯
Bad comparison We felt like Jordan was gonna come back and be great a year n a half later still amazing but Jordan’s comeback it’s like terminator 1 then terminator 2 also being a classic, Foreman’s comeback is like what if coming 2 America to was as great as the first one lol
Happy to see all the commentators agree, Foreman's comeback was one of the greatest in sports history. Another guy I would put up there is Mario Lemieux in the NHL.
Steven A is “Just Yelling” again! George Foreman by a mile and a half 20 years in a sport where you compete by yourself. Comon Son...
Foreman hands down!! I'm the biggest MJ fan.
Absolutely HANDS DOWN!! And thats coming from MJ's REALLLLL BIGGEST FAN!! Love Jordan to death but George came back from the grave to become a Champion again!
"before he became Shawn Clap",🙉🙉🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great argument Max. Nuff said. I love MJ but we’re talking about George Foreman.
I gotta go with Max just because I hate Stephen A, or more because like Stephen A hates Kawhi for no fu***ng rzn
He does not hate Kawhi. He's calling on him to step up after the epic collapse they had last year.
MJ came back a year and a half later with a great team. George foreman came back TWENTY YEARS LATER and became the baddest man on the planet once again.
“You should be ashamed of yourself”, SAS needs a mirror here
I would agree with George Foreman. That was really impressive.
TIGER WOODS HAS THE BEST COMEBACK IN SPORTS HISTORY... his story is unmatched.
No he doesn't
I don't even think that's the best comeback in golf. Ben Hogan almost died in a crash and then he almost died again in the hospital due to blood clots. 16 months later he won the US open
Still gotta take George. Boxing is so much more of a demanding and deadly sport
The debate here should be George Foreman's comeback in his 40's, and Michael Jordan's comeback heading to his 40's (basically the Wizards years).
So, Max is actually right.
There's 0 debate here. Unless Michael Jordan comes back to playing basketball for the Hornets right now w/ LaMelo Ball and win the championship this year, that's legit the only way this would even be a debate.
Two different sports.. we can't compare the two.. both has their own respect...
So now we comparing boxers to basketball players ok I guess 🤦♂️
It’s a debate show
I can't believe Steven A. Would even say such a thing .
Love Stephen As suits. Does anyone know what brand he uses
SOME DUDE NAMED ROCKY SORCORSKY 🤣🤣
Let em know Max!
More boxing segments ! More current segments and historical .
Im litterally sat here glued to the computer screen itching to see how Stephen A. is going to argue this😂😂😂
Foreman's comeback is history and it will be remembered throughout the ages and generations unless someone do the same or even latter than foreman did wrt age.