Leatherman Bond: Fatal flaw??

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  • The new Leatherman Bond was perfect for my edc needs, until it was wasn’t. Why? And can it be fixed?

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  • @txtoolcrib
    @txtoolcrib 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This is a fantastic video to highlight this issue! I agree with you 100 percent!

    • @Ayrton4everrr
      @Ayrton4everrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100% agree

    • @DeSousausmc
      @DeSousausmc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you! I really hope LM can make this right because I am a big fan of the tool otherwise.

    • @txtoolcrib
      @txtoolcrib 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@DeSousausmc you should consider doing your own reviews. You’re knowledgeable and articulate.

    • @name5949
      @name5949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@txtoolcrib hello guys would you say Leatherman will fix the blade problem on the Leatherman bond? And Leatherman please put the poickit clip in the box with the bond because when I'm ordering it's problems a new bond it should come with the poickit because it's got the to cut outs on the handle for the clip but it's not in the box so Leatherman please put the poickit clip in the box and I'll pay extra very interesting video thanks 👍🏻

  • @Ayrton4everrr
    @Ayrton4everrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Tim Leatherman should personally fix this, and fire customer care and the testing team.
    As he always said "It has to be good, my name is on it"

    • @name5949
      @name5949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello buddy have you got the bond?if so is the problem fixed now I'm using a very old Leatherman wave the very first wave ever some one give it to my friend many years ago and i didn't realize it had Tim Leatherman on the side of the handle with so many years Leatherman any way my wave is still going strong but I'm very interested in buying this but I'm worried about the blade 🤔 this is the perfect EDC for my needs for normal use I've got a big size tool for harder tasks my friend also has this tool but he's has PST on the handle older version of the same the blade is holding me back 🤔

  • @Knifeguy1a
    @Knifeguy1a 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks so much for the deep dive on this. It looks like Leatherman just carried over the "Free" design without the magnets, and this is the result. Since the pliers are not spring-loaded, I can very easily picture the tool shifting around in your hand as you open and close them one-handed ... and if you quickly re-establish your grip when the knife blade is in the wrong position, that will definitely not be fun. I've got several Leatherman tools, and the Rebar is my favorite. I was planning on getting the Bond as a streamlined version of the Rebar, but I'm going to wait and see how Leatherman responds to this issue.

  • @nebuQloud
    @nebuQloud 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for this very deep coverage of this flaw. I appreciate your comparisons, and what Leatherman can do to fix it. I hope Leatherman is watching. (I subbed… sent over from Ben, TX Tool Shed) I hope you have a great day!

  • @edwardhance3894
    @edwardhance3894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you very much for the detail and visual. I have given leathermans as gifts in the past, and was thinking of the same thing about giving it as a gift. I will not be buying and will not be gifting it.

  • @maxlvledc
    @maxlvledc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for This

  • @edgaraquino2324
    @edgaraquino2324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello, Chris - excellent video - Ben recommended your video to better understand the "gremlins" in the Bond...thanks! Also, thank you for your service...

    • @DeSousausmc
      @DeSousausmc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your support!

  • @Pinki2019
    @Pinki2019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The fact that you nearly cut yourself within 3 days doing something normal with the tool tells me to wait for a re-design. And I was planning to order this tool immediately as I love its simplicity and size while still having useful tools, and would go great with a Swiss Army Knife like the Huntsman or Compact. Maybe it'll only cut you once out of a thousand times using the tool, but the cut could be pretty nasty.

  • @aungkowin3620
    @aungkowin3620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for highlighting.

  • @randyfleming3004
    @randyfleming3004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video.. Yes they need to fix this issue.. I agree with ya, I can not gift it to family or friends 👍👍

  • @survivalofthefittest409
    @survivalofthefittest409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd be interested to know if that's the same exact knife, dimensions wise, from the Rebar.
    Maybe they saw they already had a knife that fit, and didn't want to have to create a new one for this tool...which would be extremely negligent of course, but not unheard of.

    • @ItsBoyRed
      @ItsBoyRed 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i'm pretty sure they aren't the exact same size, like 10% size difference, i cant remember witch is bigger tho

  • @trueblack6760
    @trueblack6760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your detailed explanation!
    I do understand the design issue clearly now.
    And because of this video I finally noticed that my Wave has a safety lock pin mechanism!
    Also different solution for my P4 as well.
    I may sklp purchasing Bond for now... Thanks!

  • @GarrettRockey
    @GarrettRockey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is not a problem on the Rebar, on which the Bond is clearly based. Both blades on the Rebar have positive spring tension that keep the blades safely in place until deployed. This is severely disappointing.

  • @scottrawicz7613
    @scottrawicz7613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just received onw from amazon, recently and immediately returned it. Love my wave and I have a sog power pint

  • @hardcore9erfan
    @hardcore9erfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great example of how the blade tension can be an issue. Hopefully videos like this, Ben’s, and MaxlevelEDC’s will get Leatherman to fix this design before too many people get badly injured.

  • @vladspb_
    @vladspb_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In America customers can even sue Letherman for such tool if someone gets injured. If one lady could sue McDonald for hot coffee, why can't someone sue Leatherman???

  • @gregh.6019
    @gregh.6019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My planed work around for my Bond is to put the serated sheepsfoot blade from my Rebar on it. This would keep the tip of the edge below the frame/handle of the tool. It also works out for me because I would have rather had the serated knife to begin with.
    Great video and thanks for writing Leatherman, Greg.

  • @jl2540
    @jl2540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This tool pisses me off, it’s the only one I can legally carry in the uk and it’s got a major safety problem. Please leatherman fix this tool !

    • @name5949
      @name5949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello buddy have you got the Leatherman bond yet? Thanks

  • @CarlosAmaya-nb6ps
    @CarlosAmaya-nb6ps 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I might still buy it, even with the flaw.

  • @mingshey
    @mingshey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They should pay attention to the Murphy's law, that is, "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

  • @wo-olf
    @wo-olf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The comparison with the Wave showed that is mostly a user error. On the outside opening tools LM the knife will also not snap back into place and can also, given a loose pivot tension, slip open easily and stay open and cut you.
    I've never used pliers in the fashion you do. I always have one finger "outside" and one "inside" of the handle, so one finger pushes the pliers open, the other pulls them close. The pulling finger always covers the blade, so no accidental opening.
    From personal experience I know it can easily be fixed by adjusting the pivot tension. Tension on closed tools mostly comes from pivot tension, not the actual lockbar.

  • @ministryoftruth8588
    @ministryoftruth8588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Correct me if I'm wrong but 'simply' bending that tab with the gap (you were showing) so there's no gap and the tab then presses against the blade, that should fix the problem w/the 'Bond' blade. However bending that tab may be difficult w/o taking the knife apart. Another option is to fabricate a 'shim', maybe out of aluminum to fit under that tab, but you need to secure the shim so you don't loose it, maybe with a lanyard. Also you need to remember to remove the shim every time you open the knife. Also you can grind/round off the end of the sharp tip of the blade but you end up losing a tool. Maybe fabricating a 'cap' for the blade tip will 'wedge' the blade into place against the body of knife when closed, maybe w/blue 3M masking tape that comes off w/o 'gooping' should do the trick & be the easiest/least intrusive 'hack' to 'fix' this problem, or maybe you can fabricate a blade tip cap that just holds on when 'wedged' into the storage cavity, maybe out of a sliver of a plastic milk jug, possible fabricating a triangular 'cap' by folding over the milk jug sliver & melting or gluing it together. Should be real fast & easy to just remove/replace the blade tip 'cap' but you gotta be careful not to loose the cap. I'm thinking maybe a sliver of bicycle innertube may work to wedge the tip of the blade & hold it in place. Leatherman really Botched this design up & this design flaw SHOULD have been EASILY discovered & FIXED before producing these 'Bonds' en masse! It's called 'Quality Control' Leatherman!

  • @name5949
    @name5949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm 💯% with you on this one if they made all of the tools open and close the way a victorinox Swiss army knife works this would be a very nice EDC multi tool and it's perfect for other countries where they can't have locking mechanisms on there EDC multi tools i really really like the Leatherman bond for EDC but where all the tools and blade is coming out like that it's a no go zone for me because if you're hand's are could and it's dark at night it's definitely dangerous it's upsetting because it's a fantastic little EDC multi purpose tool people has been waiting for this one for a long time I'm really hoping that they will fix the issue this was a fantastic video i really appreciate you sharing it with us 👍🏻

  • @michaelkulman7095
    @michaelkulman7095 ปีที่แล้ว

    You explained this better than others I've seen, it's by design.
    I have a Fuse and the blade is too loose or worn or something but it has no cut out and that helps and I could tighten pivot too and it's not new, Bond is new.
    It seems problematic.
    So now I'm considering a Curl or trying to find an old Sideclip...
    Will they or have they fixed this or addressed this?

  • @TheJoeshExperience
    @TheJoeshExperience 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had yet to experience this issue, opening the knife while using it. But, I am annoyed with the lack of a snap back on the blade like the buck, or the victorinox. Honestly I think the tensioning on the whole tool is wonky. The tools on mine are actually difficult to open up. I don’t hold the tool the same way you do so I think that’s how I’ve avoided opening the knife, yet. However this whole thing annoys me. I’ve seen people on Reddit being concerned about Leatherman’s QC and this makes me very suspicious about declining quality in their tools, an oversight, if this is what it is to them is unacceptable. There should be some kind of recall. Either change the cutout size, or change the knife design. It’s a shame because I REALLY like this tool, and it’s funny you said this is what you’d be giving as gifts because I had the same idea. I don’t think I’d give it out though, if I injure myself it’s one thing but to have a hand in potentially hurting someone else... no thanks. I’m extremely worried this is a sign of things to come from Leatherman where flippant attitudes from customer service, or just a lack of knowledge. Combined with poor design/engineering with the new products lead to a big downward trend with them.

  • @aircavguy007
    @aircavguy007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not a collector, but I have more multi tools than I can use. I looked at my original PST and my PST II, no retention on those blades. So next I looked at my Kick, Charge, Blast, and Pulse same no blade retention. The Wave and several others have the lock mechanism for the blade, but those blades open to the inside with the plyers exposed, while the PST, PST II, Kick, Fuse, Blast, and Pulse open to the outside with the plyers exposed. One point is the nail nick is on the outside on the original PST and PST II, but on the inside of .the other three tools, the Pulse has an outside nail nick, . I agree that customer service needs to keep the customer informed on the product.

  • @detroitdiesel7074
    @detroitdiesel7074 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the reason it’s loose for the first few degrees is because it makes it easier to grab the more recessed tools on the multi tool. But they simply didn’t see the problem with it when In design. Personally I don’t see a problem with it, just be more aware when flipping it open, but if you can’t do that then just bend the tensioner on that side down a hair so it has constant tension on the blade. It will affect the easy access of the more recessed tools but it will fix your “problem”

  • @danbiechler7619
    @danbiechler7619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the classic form factor of the Bond and would be all for a voluntary recall to correct this. The only tool I have that has a similar issue is the SOG Paratool but at least the blade is on the inside of the handle when the pliers is in use.

    • @michaelkulman7095
      @michaelkulman7095 ปีที่แล้ว

      And you could try to tighten it too as SOG uses common fasteners...and at least there's no cutout...

  • @dualsportoutdoors
    @dualsportoutdoors 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad I didn’t buy the Bond for my fiancé. I can’t believe some of the people in the comment section are calling this problem “user error.” How the hell is a clear design flaw user error?

    • @name5949
      @name5949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really wanted this to be my new edc😒

    • @dualsportoutdoors
      @dualsportoutdoors 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@name5949 go with a heritage edition PST. It costs a bit more but it’s worth it. Still slip joint tools but much better build quality

  • @marty4886
    @marty4886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree this could easily become a law suit especially as it has been made known to Leatherman!

  • @Martin1911A1
    @Martin1911A1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I simply ground the knife tip to a sheep's foot. Problem solved. Warrenty lost? At this price, not a big deal.

  • @BlueGearReviews
    @BlueGearReviews 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did leatherman ever fix this blade issue?

  • @TheChosenOne0001
    @TheChosenOne0001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video.

  • @fc436
    @fc436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, congratulations for the detailed analysis .
    the best example of how to solve this shit is not so much the wave etc, but rather simply the rebar!
    If we look at the rebar it is practically the same as the bond in its design, with the only difference that the instruments have a block.
    But the 2 knives on the rebar have a different profile than the other tools, so they remain perfectly locked even when closed.
    It was enough to copy the profile of the rebar knives on the bond and the problem would not exist.
    It was a huge mistake of the engineers, rather than of the quality control.
    The incredible thing is that leatherman doesn't admit it.

  • @Nichomachean5
    @Nichomachean5 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah huge design flaw. I did the same thing with my squirt. After a while those blades don't stay fully locked in and you can stab yourself in the leg or hand. Went back to the micra which is a near perfect design as far as what you keep in your pocket with your keys. Also I've actually swapped to Victorinox these days after being a leatherman fan for years. I still have like 10 models of their stuff. But swapped my multitool edc to the spirit X, and my edc pocket to the Ranger. Why you may ask? The steel. The steel is just better, and after several failures on my leatherman: warped knife with minor awl use on the wave, I was shocked, but was able to bend it back. Two prybar bends/warps on the free series models, and a file snapped on my Rebar. After that last one, I threw up my hands and went Victorinox, and I'm blown away - same heavy use, and every tool springs back like it was brand new. The steel is just more likely to hold and spring right back. Leatherman's tend to bend and stay. But it warps too easily in my opinion. While I adore the Leatherman designs, I don't really trust the steel as much anymore. Still keep a supertool in my box as a kit knife. But I usually reach for the swiss tool I also have in there (yeah I'm a knife crazed luny), cuz it snaps into a square and I use that a lot. Anyway, yeah great review I was thinking about trying one of these, but was on the fence about it being penknife style and no locky, and how leatherman would do with that design.

  • @maxford27
    @maxford27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They should've made it a wharncliffe.

  • @knifetrain3118
    @knifetrain3118 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine the slice you would take out of your hand when the blade pops out when you change your grip! Leatherman needs to fix this.

  • @neilredmond1011
    @neilredmond1011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recently purchased this tool and upon inspection found the same problem so immediately returned it sorry to say

  • @Justin81979
    @Justin81979 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Long video not sure you ever got to a conclusion. I'm pretty sure the knife pulls out slightly to help get the knife out with gloves on. Maybe not worth getting your finger poked but there it is

  • @supersport177ify
    @supersport177ify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'll tell you exactly what their thought process was, working with gloves on. And it's a brilliant idea also you could simply dismantle that side and bend the spring down 1 mm and that gap would be gone but I'm glad they send it out like this because it's actually usable in all situations and I've been using mine to death and I have zero worries of the blade cutting me if I'm using the pliers my hand is holding the blade in and when using a tool the blade is inside the handles and physically can't come out. It's perfectly safe and a great feature unless you treat your multi like a butterfly knife your not going to cut yourself and at that point I say it's your own fault for misusing the tools lol

  • @alberttruong1746
    @alberttruong1746 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that cutout's pretty similiar to the rebar. i checked my leatherman rebar - it has a ton of tension so the knife stays shut.

  • @JohnDoe-we3on
    @JohnDoe-we3on 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I completely agree with you... This tool could have been soooo much better and had massively better tool retention. Sadly they have used PST plans as a cheap way to adhere to the UK and EU knife laws,. So the best leatherman effort, is a tool without any research with UK/EU tool fans. Kinda sad actually! 😔

    • @michaelkulman7095
      @michaelkulman7095 ปีที่แล้ว

      PST didn't have that cut out and if tight didn't flop out like this unit.
      I've had a Kick, Fuse and Blast that didn't do this but also a used Fuse that did a little but probably is loose or worn by a lot of use and could be tightened whereas with the Bond it seems by design.

  • @roundtheloopandback
    @roundtheloopandback 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am so gutted that the leatherman bond has this issue i'd immediately buy one if this was fixed, I can't carry a wave+ as an EDC here in the uk because it has a locking blade, the bond was essentially made to combat this, but its dangerous as is :(

    • @dualsportoutdoors
      @dualsportoutdoors 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carry your Wave. No law written by mortal men can take away your God given right to carry whatever you want. That’s why the UK government got away with making such laws. People just obeyed them. The only way for such laws to be overturned is for the people to not comply. You need to carry your Wave and lead the people to do the same. It’s time we all take back our countries and God given rights from our freedom hating governments

  • @jerseyknifeguy6382
    @jerseyknifeguy6382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Years ago leatherman came out with a multi tool called the kick and it even came with a beautiful pouch!!!!! I’d like to do a video on it...... I have many multi tools interesting!!!!! Have you ever heard of the kick? Thanks

    • @michaelkulman7095
      @michaelkulman7095 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to have a Kick, it worked better than this...it had no locks and a knife blade and screwdrivers, was pretty light and you used to be able to buy a clip for it.
      So when new it worked well had no cutout and maybe side friction aided in this not happening?
      I gave it as a gift, sort of wish I kept it...

  • @pedroeugeniopezzana8903
    @pedroeugeniopezzana8903 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    En este caso,a Leatherman,"se le escapo la tortuga",como decimos aqui en mi pais.Un saludo desde Argentina.

  • @maxpayneau
    @maxpayneau 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any update? They do nothing?

  • @dougritter429
    @dougritter429 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you able to explain the problem to a leatherman tech?

  • @jerseyknifeguy6382
    @jerseyknifeguy6382 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have to order the clip off leatherman?

    • @DeSousausmc
      @DeSousausmc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup. And it’s a bit overpriced in my opinion considering companies like Benchmade send out clips for free.

  • @RenaxTM91
    @RenaxTM91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @4:19 If you do this to my new rebar, witch has spring pretension on the blades, its the same result, blade pops out.
    I agree with Leatherman on this "issue", just learn to use the tool! You're not supposed to be pulling on the blade to open the pliers!

  • @pramodpalsingh4914
    @pramodpalsingh4914 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    no sense buying it then , even the wingman makes more sense.

    • @DeSousausmc
      @DeSousausmc  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hate the wingman yet unfortunately, yes, I’d have to agree with you. I am really, really, hoping Leatherman sees the issue and sorts it out because I can see the Bond becoming a long term staple in their offerings.

  • @Alestor10
    @Alestor10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    solution = buy a Rebar :D

  • @ChristianW1975
    @ChristianW1975 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, new sub here

  • @clems6989
    @clems6989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont spend half the video telling what the video is gonna tell us. Geezus

  • @eddie2dope1
    @eddie2dope1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If that pressure tab was bent in just a little bit more then the knife wouldn't come out anymore.. I actually have already done that to my supertool 200 because the release tabs were loose which corrected that problem. However the Bond isn't worth buying anyway. Get a supertool 300 or a rebar. They are way better! 👍

    • @roundtheloopandback
      @roundtheloopandback 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the supertool can't be carried in most european countries as an EDC, you would be arrested for carrying a locking blade in the uk without "good reason", the bond fixes this issue, but unfortunately as is, is dangerous.

  • @MrGoodspeedy
    @MrGoodspeedy ปีที่แล้ว

    Leatherman does not like brits

  • @edstar1972
    @edstar1972 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm weird

  • @toddguillory692
    @toddguillory692 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    100