I’m going to assume that the slop needed between the points varies based on the draw length, as a long draw length will pinch more than a short length, due to the angle of the strings from the cams at full draw, right? Or is that difference negligible?
Curious if you ever use a constrictor knot for nock points. And are there any benefits you’ve seen from tieing the nocking point with that style knot you tie?
The disadvantage of the constrictor knot is both nock points are the same size. Having the bottom one longer or bigger helps maintain down pressure is my understanding. I was first recommended this method by Dave Stepp in the early 2000s. My scores became very competitive after this change. Unfortunately a bad wrist injury working on a landscaping job made me loose consistent pinpoint accuracy. Many people have no idea how much following Dudley's advice can truly help. He is teaching things that many wouldn't share.
@@stewartw7248 when I use the constrictor knot I always make the bottom Nock set a little longer then the top. I have also in the pass used different size serving to tie the nick set so that the the top Nick set uses the smaller of that 2 serving material
@kylehoward5452 sounds like doing it that way should work well as long as you are not too far different on the extremes from the serving size since you would want it to grip well but also not slide between the serving. I do use a constrictor knot on my recurve and longbow. Can fine tune the tension easier on D97 strings.
The arrow should snap on and not fall off when pointed straight down. But then you should be able to turn the arrow without the string twisting. He has another video on this, just redid my center serving and nock points last night.
I knit the d-loop itself in such a way that there is a small gap with no more than 0.5 with an arrow. I did not notice that the arrow rose, unlike the saddle. Perhaps a softer rope is needed so that she does not shift. I watched the video by the way with Paige Pierce and it seemed to me that she also does not have a saddle inside the d-loop.
I do a full millimeter cause once your d-loop is on and you shoot for a bit. Things settle in the slightest amount.. it is a small amount but I find it does settle. 1mm. Not sure if its tightening the D-loop thay does it. Especially with new replaced center serving, it really settles. It ends up closer together by a hair or 2. Then im left with 0.5mm Perfect
I've only used a nock set on the bottom, and I find over time the d loop starts to slide down and pinch the arrow more. Would the two nock sets ensure that doesn't happen?
I’ve tied my top and bottom nocks w/ some clearance (and put on a D-loop) like you teach, but after I draw back a couple of times my nock(s) slip and the gap goes away. I’ve retied multiple times w/ the same result. How does one prevent things from slipping? So frustrating!!
How about a video showing proper nock onto the string eg. serving size,strand count of string etc...I feel mine is a little tight. 28 strands X99 and 0.018" serving. x nocks.
Why don’t we use torque-less D Loops any more. Watched a video that George Royals made, like 12 yr ago, and he was installing one. Thought you may know.
All three of my Mathews bows needed 3/16” nock high. Is this me, a hand position/grip? Or should my arrow rest/arrow be higher across the berger hole to start? Or is the higher nock point above level is normal?
That style creates more downward pressure which can be good. BUT it also means if you ever need to re-tie your dLoop then you loose your top mocking point.
I use firenock crossbow nocks .300 diameter with crossbow doubled up serving to get perfect fit then my loop is two layer's of 300 lb spectra fishing line one spliced into the other...no standard of micro diameter nocks or setups shoot like this connection..my ocd after 40 years of compound bow. You guys can have the skinny junk
Best archery guy on TH-cam. Simple to understand and great instructions as always.
Thanks 👍
@nockonarchery thanks for the pointers. Also wanna know what elk hat are you wearing in the video?
I love your style of giving instruction. Very wll done.
Thanks for the tips Dudley, with local Archery shops diminishing. It’s time to start my own bow workshop.
Thanks! Very helpful and I can't wait to get my levitate.
I’m going to assume that the slop needed between the points varies based on the draw length, as a long draw length will pinch more than a short length, due to the angle of the strings from the cams at full draw, right? Or is that difference negligible?
Interesting question. A 27" vs 33" ata at 30" draw length has the string angle differ by 4.6 degrees only, so I would assume it's negligible.
@@stanleyguedes2336 That's the info I was looking for! Thank you
Curious if you ever use a constrictor knot for nock points. And are there any benefits you’ve seen from tieing the nocking point with that style knot you tie?
The disadvantage of the constrictor knot is both nock points are the same size. Having the bottom one longer or bigger helps maintain down pressure is my understanding. I was first recommended this method by Dave Stepp in the early 2000s. My scores became very competitive after this change. Unfortunately a bad wrist injury working on a landscaping job made me loose consistent pinpoint accuracy. Many people have no idea how much following Dudley's advice can truly help. He is teaching things that many wouldn't share.
@@stewartw7248 when I use the constrictor knot I always make the bottom Nock set a little longer then the top. I have also in the pass used different size serving to tie the nick set so that the the top Nick set uses the smaller of that 2 serving material
@kylehoward5452 sounds like doing it that way should work well as long as you are not too far different on the extremes from the serving size since you would want it to grip well but also not slide between the serving. I do use a constrictor knot on my recurve and longbow. Can fine tune the tension easier on D97 strings.
Hey John, could you please comment about the centre serving diameter and nock fit. what should be the correct holding fit ?
Thank you
The arrow should snap on and not fall off when pointed straight down. But then you should be able to turn the arrow without the string twisting. He has another video on this, just redid my center serving and nock points last night.
I'm shocked you don't have a million subscribers already
I knit the d-loop itself in such a way that there is a small gap with no more than 0.5 with an arrow. I did not notice that the arrow rose, unlike the saddle. Perhaps a softer rope is needed so that she does not shift. I watched the video by the way with Paige Pierce and it seemed to me that she also does not have a saddle inside the d-loop.
I do a full millimeter cause once your d-loop is on and you shoot for a bit.
Things settle in the slightest amount.. it is a small amount but I find it does settle.
1mm. Not sure if its tightening the D-loop thay does it.
Especially with new replaced center serving, it really settles.
It ends up closer together by a hair or 2.
Then im left with 0.5mm
Perfect
I've only used a nock set on the bottom, and I find over time the d loop starts to slide down and pinch the arrow more. Would the two nock sets ensure that doesn't happen?
I’ve tied my top and bottom nocks w/ some clearance (and put on a D-loop) like you teach, but after I draw back a couple of times my nock(s) slip and the gap goes away. I’ve retied multiple times w/ the same result. How does one prevent things from slipping? So frustrating!!
How about a video showing proper nock onto the string eg. serving size,strand count of string etc...I feel mine is a little tight. 28 strands X99 and 0.018" serving. x nocks.
I’m not coming to sleep until I will do that too my bow😊thanks John🙏
Would you adjust that 1mm nock gap on a 29 ata bow?? Question is for friend…..
Why don’t we use torque-less D Loops any more. Watched a video that George Royals made, like 12 yr ago, and he was installing one. Thought you may know.
All three of my Mathews bows needed 3/16” nock high. Is this me, a hand position/grip? Or should my arrow rest/arrow be higher across the berger hole to start? Or is the higher nock point above level is normal?
Good shit as usual, dud. 👍👍👍
Bought a new bow from my local archery shop. There are no knocking points, just a D-loop. Is that bad?
Would the allotted space adjust to more space for shorter ATA bows?
Yea that's works with a drop arrow rest .but probably wont paper tune uf using a wisker bisket .
How does all of that change with a lizard tongue style rest?
What are you using for the not points your tying?
Next time use a different color nock we can’t really see the space, and what size thread do you use?
BCY 3D is what he uses
This the bow PSE levitate???
@nockonarchery i have issues where my soft knocks end up creeping in causing pinch after a number of shots, any tips?
Same
Good job
The guy at the shop I went to only put a bottom nock point and then the Dloop. He didn’t put a top nock point.
That style creates more downward pressure which can be good. BUT it also means if you ever need to re-tie your dLoop then you loose your top mocking point.
What’s the story behind that frog 🐸?
@nockonarchery “mils” and millimeters are not the same thing… hope no one gets confused by this video
I got nothing today.
I use firenock crossbow nocks .300 diameter with crossbow doubled up serving to get perfect fit then my loop is two layer's of 300 lb spectra fishing line one spliced into the other...no standard of micro diameter nocks or setups shoot like this connection..my ocd after 40 years of compound bow. You guys can have the skinny junk
My d loops are better than anything in the world i have knots on each end instead of burning 🔥 stuff woth lighters 😊