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- Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Jordan Peterson and Eric Weinstein in a panel discussion.
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"I am being drained of my empathy" Eric Weinstein
This rings oh so true for me as well!
lol bravo sir
Agreed
Go meta, look from the outside, see your view and others without your own or their state contaminating it
Spend time thinking about what to do from there before coming back to yourself
And if you compare to the past a lot spend more time in the moment
Also if you know the person is on a tape recording (ideology driven ie Democrats, feminist, religious ideas ect) or arent looking for discussion you may need to use casual conversation away from those topics to change beliefs such as all or nothing, us them, projection planting seeds from them to find later opening the door for them to notice cognitive disenance
N kimmo
Both modern psychology and Vajrayana Buddhism (the later has been brilliantly expressed by the H.H. The Dalai Lama) have found the selfless compassion is better than empathy
Can you imagine if the presidential debates were this good?
No! This is not logically possible. Or, speaking modally, possible only in an impossible world.
I just wish the politicians would get beyond the surface level. Anytime a politician is criticized by another the "discussion" immediately devolves to name calling and the slinging of accusations that are unfounded.
It is impossible as long as political ideology is the driving force behind political discussion.
Dr. Edward Freeman or if a presidential debate being this good is not an impossible event, then perhaps it occurs in a possible world, though much unlike the actual one.
Goosebumps...
Watching this made me realize that I need to vigilantly quit interrupting people. It is not a good look.
Lol, the world would appreciate that
I feel your pain. Eye rolling and turning their body away from you, is a clear indication.
who interrupted who?
Finally😀
I'm working on that myself
Who else misses Jordan? Praying for him & his family.
He released an update a few days ago that he was working on a new book, so hopefully that was actually him and he is on his way to a healthy recovery and just taking some time to get back to 100%.
JJMaccky thank you so much for the update my man, that made me super happy to hear. Stay strong and safe out there 👍
Devon Campbell he has posted a response to recent times on his website a few days ago, I don’t have the link but it’s worth a read..... I’m so glad he is on the mend 😁
He’ll be back!
Lemme know if the big guy upstairs gets back to you on that one lol, good luck
Thank you internet for FREE INSANE KNOWLEDGE like this!
Indeed, my brain is still in recovery mode from taking in too many important, high-level ideas.
The most underrated and probably one of his attributes about Peterson, is he really deeply listens to other peoples ideas and opinions. Most only wait for the other speaker to finish to make their point. Appreciate this man
I love Absolutely about him too. It’s inspiring communication and care
for the topics.
The fact that this kind of content is available, two ivy league level professors having a deep conversation about philosophical and political topics relating to the nature of our society, AND it's free absolutely blows my mind. I could never be more grateful
I agree it's great, but it is not free. You pay for it with your personal data and by watching ads.
@@liamkelly8524 True, but you know exactly what he meant.
I suppose we also pay in the time spent consuming lol @@liamkelly8524
I am a woman who works in a very male dominated field, automotive. I have done everything from commercial parts sales, to service writing, to body repair & paint correction. I would say that 95% of my coworkers are men. I have yet to encounter a man who wants to prevent me from being successful at my career. I have had far more men try to propel me forward & help me in my career than the inverse. What I can say is that I have had men be skeptical of me & my abilities, which I would argue that they should be. It is no different when the new guy comes on board, they watch him & try to see where he is competence wise, & judge him based on his abilities. They do the same for me. I do not think that just because I am a woman that I should be treated with artificial favor, although sometimes I am & I know that. I think it comes down to being a pretty face & some men like having me around for that reason alone. But ultimately I have strong work ethic, & I love what I do, & I would like to say that I am pretty competent at my job.
I just dont see the "patriarchy" as it is described by some people on the left.
lol you don't see the patriarchy like the left because you don't have a political agenda to push down people's throats.
was gonna comment this in reply to the other comment but seems more fitting to post it directly to you given its about you (lol)
You dont see the patriarchy because you’re successful in an aspect of your life. The issue with the left is that they simply aren’t. Ive lost several friends over this past election cycle (all lefties). Not a single one of them would i label successful, and every single one of them has a sector of their life wherein they have failed (dating, school, work, etc).
You have succeeded in the work sector (and id be willing to bet the others are fine too). You see that your sex didnt prevent you from “winning”. You see that the argument that society is holding your sex down is bogus and false.
Well said👏🏻 But,,, your comment doesn’t fit the narrative, so I will just pretend I didn’t read it & continue pushing the “narrative”
LOL🇨🇦🖤🇺🇸
I’ve discarded so many facts they could fill a library or the cloud🌩
This was so good. You could tell all three left that conversation learning something new. Couldn't ask for a better result.
Thank you Dave for bringing these two together
Do your job. The archetypal religious lobster lives.
Don't think Rubin is capable of learning anything but other than that you're right.
This was like the concentrated Joe Rogan energy I was looking for
William Bodie - Giving that Dad (Peterson) is in the audience, I’m reminded of the maxim about not saying anything if I have nothing nice to say. I should follow that advice more.
Jordan Peterson “Very intelligent point”
Eric Weinstien: “ Very intelligent point “
Dave Rubin : “I’m so glad we are all here on the same side”
Eric is on the left like he said it himself, but he is not radical and he is also very reasonable, and very importantly he agrees that social issues should be resolved socially and is not government's business.
@@dasuperbudda01 not terribly left then, more liberatarian...Dave should really live by his principles and get an actual leftie on the show. Perhaps Sam S$der?
@@estebancomulet because Eric's view is more complex than is being led to believe here, so he's left according to his own astute perspective. But people far left see him as right and people far right see him as left. As the saying goes, if you're not liberal by 18 you don't have a heart, if you're not conservative by 23 you don't have a brain. I think Eric has integrated his world view into an intelligent heart of a intellectual view
Social issues should not be resolved by the government, which is why we need to have unregulated abortion clinics
Reality has a well known liberal bias, I take issue with that.
Two extremely intelligent, hardworking, original thinkers, Jordan and Eric. Good to see them on Dave Rubin's show.
Greetings from Germany.
(by an Iranian academic researcher).
non academic researchers living in iran also enjoying this!😁
Glad to hear that
@@ehsanmazandarani1886
mr worldwide
Rubin looks like he’s watching a tennis match
lol! yes, he does!
Joseph Burrichter 😂
Yup. Easy day at the office for Rubin!
Although more exciting than tennis!
Rubin does a good job of not interfering with the discussion. But does put forth auestions that further the discussion. He s a good interviewer
I watched this with my 9 year old son, and although he had no clue what the hell they were talking about, he was in awe of the intelligent discourse, and wanted more when it ended. If that doesn't make this whole damn thing worth while, I don't know what does.
Darth Malnu... You are doing something right my friend. Carry on with your parenting. He's a lucky kid! 👍
I'm not sure you thought that whole statement through. apparently your 9 year old son "had no clue what the hell they were talking about" and yet "was in awe of the intelligent discourse". which is it? either your 9 year old is smart enough to understand (at the very least) that it is intelligent discourse; or he's an idiot who's fascinated by incoherent gibberish?
@shem I can't comprehend the poor state of life you must be living through, in order to spew such inconsiderate hatred towards a fellow man who shared a very loveable story. The ability of a child to read the gesticulation of his father and the gentlemen on the screen, would have been enough to awaken his archetypical understanding of the hero figure, thus leading him into a state of awe of a discourse he could not understand verbally.
Moreover, i wish you the best of luck in life, hoping that a change of state will lead to a change of heart.
Much love!
@Daniel Abella no.
My two year old watched this then told me I’m a heathen.
They're right, I _am_ starving for this kind of conversation.
"You became a one-man answer to the world uncle shortage" - Eric to Jordan 2:09:00
It's kind of a cool point, don't know if there is a shortage of uncles but definately of articulate brave public figures that speaks sensible and truthfully, a philosopher if you will
this feels like watching both hemispheres of my brain in dialogue. richly satisfying discourse
I'm new to Eric, but I'm an instant fan. He is interesting and brilliant. I want to hear more from him.
There is plenty of him on TH-cam. I tend to lean right. I do love listening to Eric as well as Jordan. The thing is you will be labeled right or left. As long as you realize that you are deeper than any label, you will be fine.
You can find his published works online with a quick DuckDuckGo search. It’s unbelievable the access we to these people.
You can hear more from him at his podcast,The Portal!
We should hang out sometime?
a bit phat though
Eric Weinstein is a fantastic left wing voice. I find myself disagreeing with him but I can see his point.
I have certainly been almost completely drained of my empathy because I see it being taken advantage of by those who are successfully pushing a political agenda.
Sandmanuel yes, he can actually discuss left wing issues in a reasonable and logical manner, and even though I don't fully agree with him on everything he makes very good arguments. That is something that is currently very rare from the left who seem to be more interested in silencing than discourse.
I've definitely been questioning my lifelong liberal leanings as of late because the only intelligent discussion I see is not coming from the left. Eric made me feel like a liberal again.
I think Eric Weinstein is coming at these issues with the right goal in mind and for the right reasons. So there are people who talk about the pay gap as if it is a problem because they see the world as a battleground between men and women. Whereas Weinstein is thinking about whether there is a way to allow more people to achieve their potential. I'm sympathetic to the idea that taking time out of a career to raise a family can set you back in the career but that is a choice women are allowed to make if they are lucky. I have no problem with part time work or even delaying work until later in life because we live longer - so perhaps a person could enter a company in their 40s and be valuable or perhaps that is impossible. It's about coming at it from a humanist perspective rather than a selfish conflict perspective - which is odd because the left see themselves as the empathetic side but I see their grievances and solutions as more based on negative emotion.
Zac Atkinson everyone here is commenting on Eric is a good left winger politician and I’m a right wing saying this and then you come out and say *the* *left* *is* *cancer!*
I am new to listening to this channel and to Eric. I agree with you. It is quite refreshing to have examples where were disagree yet can stay respectful. As a pastor once said, "it is okay to disagree while not being disagreeable." Also the same person said " we do not need to see eye to eye to walk side by side"
Don't stop the empathy, but know how to turn it off when the situation calls for it.
Over 500,000 views in just a month. Yes people are starved for deep intelligent unfiltered conversation.
Dumb shit has tens of millions in the same time. You are just keen for intelligent conversations so personal depth perception takes over reality.
surprised it doesn't have millions of views by now!! this is as gold as it gets! This and the one where it was these 3 plus Ben Shapiro.
[fart huffing intensifies]
I love it when Jordan Peterson smiles.
And also Rubin is extremely lovable.
But man Eric has shocking truths to tell.
10/10 guest dynamics
10/10 discussion
Dave - this episode's dynamic makes one thing clear:
The imperfect-overlap between independent-right and independent-left perspectives is a SCORCHING HOT NICHE that your show can deliver.
I enjoyed having Shapiro in the discussion, but I'd say that *whenever possible* - see if you can hook up ind-right and ind-left guests with imperfectly-overlapping takes... the overlapping agreement can drive left-right consensus, while the rubs can draw truly BETTER battle lines that make sense.
For this RR, I think this is your sweet spot - even if you're only able to coordinate it once a month.
Great episode of the RR, thanks!
Agreed, as a conservative Weinstein only lost me a little bit when he said gay men are afraid of kissing, the gay parade just went through my town and I'm still explaining to my children why there were naked men dancing to techno music on trucks while spanking eachother with leather whips. Other than that, an excellent discussion.
"Disagreeability needs to make a massiv roaring comeback!"
I love that Quote :-)
More than 600 000 people made smarter by one civil conversation. It would be very interesting to see the stats of this video by country.
I can confidetly say, without hyperbole, that this is one of the most important videos of my life.
Wow, Eric Weinstein is exceptional. Not sure why I have not heard his view points before. He compliments Jordan Peterson POVs in many facets.
Douglas Thompson it's like he knows what's going to come from jordan and he is just ready with next gem....he is the most intelligent person in the whole idw fraternity.
hoe Sand Which eric has domain knowledge of multitude domains...economics, mathematics, physics, tech, biology and so on...sam doesn't have much domain knowledge. He is good at argumenting on a particular subject related to religion.
They seriously bounce off each other almost like sharing a brain.. No problem showing serious respect of each other.
@@joemilburn2260 Sam Harris isn't a neurologist, he is a neuroscientist which is completely different from being a neurologist that is an actual medical doctor with a specialisation in a neurology field of medicine. Sam Harris didn't do any research or lectures after getting his PhD in neuroscience. He is definitely more of a writer and philosopher than neuroscientist.
I would find a self titled "Intellectual Dark Web" pretentious if Eric wasn't so fucking right on.
EXCELLENT discussion guys. Thanks so much.
Max Derrat, My Brain was stuck in third gear.
"The multidimensional complexity sems to exceed the processing capacity of the ideologues " - Brillant, Peterson
Fancy shmancy words
@@NessieAndrew no, that's called proper speech
What he's actually saying is... the problems are being too narrowly defined by the people who think they have all the answers.
@@BoundlessRoamad aka: they are too stupid to realize they are wrong 😂
@@NessieAndrew It is English, actually. An articulate manner of speaking.
Eric makes me proud to be a progressive. It's nice to have an intellect left winger that isn't tainted with radical leftism.
I was just thinking the same thing. Him and Slavoj Zizek give me hope for the left
cause he has religious faith
You can say the same for Jordan. There is absolutely nothing about him that is anything but liberal and progressive unless youre a radical and then, well, anything and everything is right wing.
He isn't necessarily left wing. He is a classical liberal which is usually a relatively progressive right-wing individual (economically).
Eric was good here, I found he was driving most of the conversation, while Peterson was mostly just interjecting with his usually bland generalisations of hierarchies and metrics. You should check out Chomsky as well.
Joe Rogan introduced long form conversaron between normal individuals. This conversation was an insight into what would’ve been a private conversation between university intellectuals years ago. This is the transparency we need.
Yes.
It’s great because it reveals so many people are capable of playing much more abstract games then the news/media discussions that have been taking place for years. It’s almost like they intentionally dumb things down and it’s not because people need it...
my debt to guys like Rogan and Rubin grows everyday.
If only the Inklings had had webcams
Joe Rogan did not introduce the long format. I’ve been watching European TV for 30 years they’re the ones that introduced at Americas only caught on the last few years.
This conversation embodies tremendous scope, depth and nuanced perceptions about reality itself in 2018...
BRAVO!
Thanks for making it into one sentence that covers this profound much-needed discussion that many of us needed to hear.
Yes. I have seen Eric in conversation with Peterson, Harris, Murray, and similarly hyper intelligent people that I agree with on *most* things - and every time, I end up thinking "Damn, Eric is REALLY smart".
you phrased it well. Thank you. I'm so grateful that sensible left leaning intellectuals are getting the spotlight and not having their words rearranged into click-bate soundbites for the right. Infact its conversations like this that can eventually collapse the chasm between the left and right.
@@tednemeth3510 It is bait, like "bait a hook". Not bate, like "masturbate". Though, the latter is probably somewhat applicable also. I agree, by the way, but it is not only "the right" making click-bait soundbites. The entire reason classical liberals like Harris or Peterson, or even very liberal types like Bret Weinstein, get "adopted" as demi-gods of the right's rhetoric-machine is that the "progressives" attack anyone who disagrees on any one issue (which is the opposite of what the word liberal ACTUALLY means). It is easy for "the right" to validate their sales-pitch that these people are on their side when their opposition is actively trying to demonize them.
It was clearly demonstrated first by the "illiberal left's" assault on Harris, for his approach to radical extremism, and then even more so with Peterson and Weinstein. All of whom were behaving as rational liberals when they infuriated the collectivists masquerading as liberals. Would not surprise me if Newt Gingrich actually created the progressive-movement, because there has never been anything so good for the republican party as people on the left acting like fascists. Now the right gets to keep being fascist, but look like the more sane of two options.
I have heard 2 people this week say "classical liberal means Republican now". I can not imagine a way to demonstrate more disdain for language than to make such a overtly false statement - but it sums up perfectly exactly the sales-pitch of the Republican party. "So you do not agree that Peterson is a misogynist for stating that gender is one of many factors that determine pay? You do not think Bret Weinstein is a racist for going to work on No-White-People-Allowed day? Well congratulations, you must be a Republican!" Except - that is not just wrong, it is actually completely backwards.
Yes, Seems truth and real intelligence is the new cool, but primarily TRUTH!
Relieved that these guys are out there. Hoping more of them emerge and bring sanity back to our society.
One of the most progressive and constructive conversations I’ve heard in a long time from two intellectual juggernauts. So good.
Do you know how I know this is a great discussion? Because the words Trump and/or Obama were never mentioned. That is what makes these people interesting, sane and legit. They are the kind of people we should look up to for guidance and knowledge, that discuss and elaborate, as well as conceding ideas, while not giving up ideals. If I had one question I could ask, it would be "Whom do they feel are their best "adversaries" on the left?". Meaning, which people or organizations are as interesting sane and legit on the "other side". I've absorbed a lot from Rubin Report ( as well as several other places ), and I truly want to grow. I need to start listening to the "other" side, as it were. I would love names or organizations that you respect enough, for me to check out. Truly.
-peace love and soul Dave, You rock!
JettBlackheart83 - I'm pretty sure that Bret Weinstein is on the left or a "classic liberal" as is Dave. People always call Jordan Peterson "far right" but I think he's technically more centrist. I've worked in counter cult ministry + I'd advise you to stay away from the "far progressive left". From my perspective their indoctrination is similar to people in cults! They have a group think mentality + are no longer capable of evaluating new ideas independently without feeling threatened + when they are together in a mob they are scarey! Maybe Dave will have some good suggestions for you.
MAGA is mentioned at 1:11:03
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Christopher Hitchens debates and Q&A's. (socialist in early career, changes mind based on facts & has seen first hand the worst & best of world. In his late interviews and debates says firmly believes in foundations/ideals of socialism but it doesn't work & ALWAYS leads to mass murder.) Sometimes it gets hard to separate his views from facts in Q&A, but he is always intellectually consistent & owns his mistakes.
I would say to check out Stephen Frye who teamed up with Dr. Peterson for a debate about Political Correctness and was just the keynote speaker for the Bell Labs convention where he gave a really good speech about Artificial Intelligence that also helped (at least for me) define what frames "The Good Left." Left leaning Scientists are also good as they don't like using exaggeration because they're smart enough to not want to get caught in it later. The Asimov debates are really excellent examples of left leaning values (progressiveness, new ideas) as well. I wish you the best with your self education, I'm in the same boat. Now I just need to catch up with my classical education. In the interest of full disclosure, yes, and particularly now, I consider myself a leftist. :)
Try checking out Destiny on youtube hes a small youtuber with around 100k subs and he has debated a lot of smaller people on the right th-cam.com/users/destinyfeatured
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Sanity never sounded so beautiful!
There is just too much in this conversation. I listened to it once, I'm gonna listen to the Ben one. Now, I don't know about that one, but this one I'm gonna listen multiple times, there's many great points being brought up.
I wanna make a list of those and research the hell out of them.
Congratulations to everyone involved.
This is so inspiring. It's as if the world has new colors. Thank you to these wonderful Uncles!
I absolutely love these guys. I've been waiting for a deeply competent rational leftie to have a discussion with Jordan, and I couldn't possibly have asked for more, pure gold
Peterson and Weinstein are super geniuses. Dave is one of us.
ONE OF US, ONE OF US
Interesting way of putting it
I love when people say things like this so that their intellectual inferiority is less depressing. I have 2000 intellect
We're all just a Dave... Simple minded person speaking...a Dave.
Dave is a conduit for intellectual discussion. He his helping make this possible, and for that he deserves applause, in my opinion.
JBP and Eric have such good chemistry. I could listen to them talk for quite a while.
Chaosdude341 agree, but I wish I could hear the end of Eric’s thoughts. JP keeps interrupting. Gaaaahr!
Couldn't agree more. Eric and Jordan are such a god combo. Eric kinda helps Jordan from his tangents. I really liked Eric's idea of steelmanning the progressives talking point, and essentially taking it from them and doing it properly
They do
Eric couldn't be arsed into more debates than he should be - he would be too busy counting money at the Thiel Capital.
Thomas Malcolm Macleay Are you kidding? Eric never stopped talking. The few times Jordan jumped in are the only times he got to talk.
The host is quiet for so long during this that I forgot he was there. Nothing against the house but I love it. Thank you
I know what you mean. I forgot he was there but when I noticed him again I had a whole new level of appreciation. He obviously holds his own with them but his purpose was to allow the two minds to come together. He did a great facilitating job.
thats when you know the discussion is amazing
btw Dolores, bring yourself back up online please
It's rare to see Jordan so well matched. In fact, Eric ruled the debate. Outstanding. my only wish is that the view count was in the millions. Thank you for bringing these two powerhouses together.
Was it meant to be a competition? Seems antithetical to the spirit of the conversation.
They worked well together. 😊
Exhibit 1 why I don’t watch tv anymore.
Sell it, sold my TV in 2011, takes a few years for your brain to heal.
I cut out my home TV cable and internet since 2008. 😁
Dave you're so good at creating a place where these conversations happen. Love all the stuff you do.
These guys are talking about a world that I feel like I'm waking up to. Those references are deep!
I have so much Respect for people that can discuss ideas without devolving into ideology!
Thank you so much for this interview.
Fuuuuuck this is excellent
Chaosdude341 what pokemon is that tho
Weinstein said this video could get to 100 thousand views. Right now, 13 hours after publishing, it is already 135 thousand views. Things are better than we can imagine.
1;45 Peterson. "that's a hell of a thing for a Leftist to say", Weinstein, "Stay tuned"...
Jay L dude
It's like autocorrect with tourettes
Lol 😂 facts!
You know... I noticed that too
Five years later this conversation between "Minds" still resonates as true and necessary to induce the change that we are all betting on. Thank you gentlemen.
Listening to this makes me feel smarter.
But your not, are you?
Kinda makes you feel like you can go out and solve problems? I mean, after you clean your room of course.
Jordan is a gift for our time.
There is no one on TH-cam who has JBP's credibility, when you're not ideologically blind, there is no escaping his truth, a gift for our time. As more dirt they throw at Peterson, the more he impresses. He is a rock in heavy waters, does not go for cheap compromises, for shallow peaces, so clear, so strict, but then still heartly, following his own truth, still open for the truth of others, ready to go an extra mile for the others to meet in the middle, so no one is the winner, but an even better truth.
Hey Andrew! Finally these two get together!
+Words of Welke *You're
Big Fan of Peterson but never heard of Eric Weinstein before and I am starting to like this guy. I can tell Peterson is excited to find someone who can speak on his level which causes him to interrupt Weinstein from time to time. Peterson let this guy speak because It seems like he is on to something and then gets interrupted and the topic changes. Good video!
It's hard not to interrupt when someone talks as much as Eric. And Jordan isn't exactly the one to sit idly without his opinion being known......
I felt like that too till I noticed that Eric does speak a lot. Turns out that for me I was already familiar with most of JP's ideas and was interested in listening to Eric but I'd surely have wanted JP to speak up more if I'd come in without knowing about either of these people
Mugen Lor
You have to interrupt when the person speaks so much. Jordan is good at listening.
I recommend the Rubin Report with Eric and Bert Weinstein. They're brothers and have an equally deep and enlightened conversation.
“Is THIS a political movement?”
No, it’s a conversation
So it's a political movement.
Not sure any other podcast host could sit back and let these two talk in the way that you were able to, awesome episode Dave!
Eric is more concerned about economic stability. Jordan is more concerned with family and personal competence. It's why the IDW needs both of them.
Schismatic well said!
The IDW is a stupid label that on serves to add structure to something that doesnt need it. No superise the concept was eric's doing. Overbloated elitist label.
It has utility. Anyone who knows anything about marketing understands this.
I'm also skeptical about the benefits of this label...the most important thing is that they will keep it at a minimum and not accept lightweights like candice owens, when milo exploded he only hurt himself, if he was part of the IDW it would hurt all of them, they have to be extremely careful who they let in.
I like this description. I like to visualize it as top-down vs bottom-up approach: Eric's fighting systemic corruption, Jordan's fighting personal corruption.
Profound. I listened to this one twice. (Yeah. 2 hours twice! And, yeah, we have been starving for this level of discourse in our media for a long time.) So much enlightening insight.
I can see why? I was watching Eric Weinstein and Roger Penrose interview today and repeated several sequences
I found myself rewinding this discussion many times thinking "what did he say there? what does he mean? did i hear that right?" and just going back 20-30 seconds at a time. I absolutely loved this discussion and it is even more relevant today. I sincerely hope this video stays available for everyone for many years to come because it is a fantastic discussion between two sensible intellectuals.
Man, I can't even begin to describe how much I enjoyed this conversation. Hats off, especially to Eric!
I never would have imagined, that conservatives are the ones doing the calm and deep debates about complicated issues. Went from a die-hard liberal to a conservative. Politically and sociologically speaking. Mostly thanks to Jordan... Keep the good work up Mr. Rubin 🖒.
Gzuz Christus me neither, it’s strange but cool.
Exactly what happened to me. Until JPB came along the left wing narrative was the only one I ever heard. I just assumed that the right wing was a bunch of racist, sexist types. I now realize that Conservatives are not all racist, sexist types but are actually the reasonable ones in society. This is in large part because JPB has shown me a vastly superior narrative for society which is not based on Alt-Left toxic identity politics but is rather based on the importance of the individual as paramount and the beauty of Western culture. I would never have believed two years ago that I could be so red pilled today but I am eternally grateful to Dr. Peterson for showing myself and so many others a better way. I will be voting Conservative here in Canada in our next election and fight this Alt-Left nonsense.
Lol we have always been this way but your just now realizing it because your party finally lost there mind. I understand not all of you but i do feel bad for the Democratic Party when i think liberal first thing comes to mind is sjw/snowflakes
But I know you all are not this way. I’m glad there are still classical liberals like Dave Ruben where we can have an open discussions about real issues.
Angelo Terrones Dude calm down. It's not a competition.
None of the guys you're watching are conservative.
I'm filled with hope knowing these conversations are happening, and so many are watching.
After watching this, I think that where Rubin could really shine as a host for these conversations is helping even out the distribution of speaking time. It would also help Eric gain some insight into how long he talks and dominates all of the time of everyone there and maybe even help him condense his points into a more concise statement that has more impact and is easy to digest. Sometimes the best way for someone to understand that they are doing something wrong socially is for friends to help steer them in the right direction, not necessarily tell them stop doing it. For example, I didn't realize how often I used the phrase "you know" in conversation until a friend said jokingly "if I don't know, trust that I will tell you". And we had a little chuckle, but after that, I started to hear myself saying it far too often and it helped me change the habit.
He's like trying to shrug Peterson off all the time, lol.
I disagree.
One because of a point they made earlier and that was we have matured from what television media had conditioned us to be and that is to look for a winner in an argument instead of learning from a discussion through formats - like don't interrupt , interrupt or you are speaking for too long.
Going by the majority of comments very many people were impressed by Eric's thought processes having not known him as compared to JP. Not sure I'm making any sense
And two some arguments presented cannot be summarised from the top of one's head as we might want them to do .. it would be soo demanding of what these geniuses are venturing into and worse loose the audience having most not understand premises and fundamentals .. also not sure I'm making any sense - anyway , one love from Nairobi.
actually it's fun watching two super geniuses who are used to dominating conversations facing each other. may the best interrupter win! I get it, if I had that many brilliant things to say I'd be champing at the bit to speak too.
I agree. Watching Peterson constantly interrupt Weinstein was cringe worthy
"The Eric Weinstein show" featuring.... those other two guys. A monologue with brief reactions. Interesting and insightful nonetheless.
every time jordan tries to say anything eric's like JUST-LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE
PLEASE
ONE MORE EXAMPLE
Dave should have asked Eric to explain about the wealth transfer using immigration in the sciences, which he referenced twice but never delved into.
Exactly right, this topic warrants a separate discussion.
The obvious one is: more people = more loans (banks make money) = housing shortage (real estate people make money). In short, rich people profit on immigration.
But maybe he was thinking about something else.
Tired of the immigration mantra when it clearly shows that it is not working which means for a smart guy like Eric to advocate it means he's disingenuous.
He was probably referring to the H1b abuses that bring in under qualified immigrants to take the high tech/high skill jobs of americans for a much lower wage.
thats not whats hes talking about. hes talking about the transfer by immigration of wealth from employees to employers, ie from workers to companies.
MSM is dead. The quality of this conversation compared to what CNN, NYT or even Fox offer is stunning. Well done IDW, you are the Napster to the record labels.
2:05
No mystery here.
Jordan is a person who walks the talk. Well read. Science based. Articulate. Passionate about the state of mankind. Self made. Been the trenches of clinical psychology. And is aiming high. Good for him!
Jordan Pederson is a right wing celebrity professor who does not use a fact based argument. He is not legitimate or representative of a consensus among his peers.
Both Pederson and Weinstein are celebrities purely because they vilify the media and focus on the extreme left while glossing over conservative media and the extreme right.
Buck Starwell That is the pigeon holed, boxed in, inaccurate assessment of Peterson's dynamic, human subjective position, a narrative perpetuated by the MSM who attack him because they find him threatening to their scheme. You've missed the point and I would guess you didn't listen to much of any of these casts. The important thing about these individuals is not their respective positions, but that they seem to be the only ones willing to break out of the established slots of discourse and reach across their ideological landscapes to cooperate and have true, honest, necessary discussion to reach, in unity, for a rational attainable future, together. That's the only gateway into a future we will all want to live in: egos and subjective opinions on the backburner, in favor of unity and compromise for the good of all.
And Peterson uses facts and data, but also supports and theorizes using common symbolism, tropes, mythologies, literature, etc. From which he has intuited a real world, applicable philosophy that IS helping many people find meaning and purpose in their lives. If it doesn't work for you, ok, move on. People have widely varying subjective circumstances and philosophies. There will be no one size fits all solution. But a self-actualizing professor who discovers a way to positively impact hundreds of thousands of lives, and who is in-demand for doing so is far from illegitimate, and I predict that will become clear as the future unfolds, better for his having cared enough to try. What can any one of us say we have contributed to the collective benefit? You may not agree with his philosophy, but his efforts seem to be in earnest and have had positive results for many. Its easy for one who is not putting it all on the line to criticise those who are, especially when they are succeeding.
@@tarawoodard2737 why r u even reacting to... an animal lol
@@buckstarwell7938 Oh really! You don't say. Yawn ...
On my 5th viewing now and it feels like I pick up new things in this discussion every time. 2 intellectual power houses and a host that knows how to stay out of the way when the discussion is flowing makes for an incredible talk or debate or whatever you want to call it.
Dave - great job - ask questions when required, otherwise stand back!
I think this is the most i've seen Jordan respect a person he was sitting across.
why didn't they insult each other more? My guy friends never say anything nice to my face, and I only compliment those bastards when there's no chance they overhear it...
^ It's only their first hangout in-the-flesh. They just aren't that tight yet, bruh.
Jordan Peterson is always respectful when it comes to listening. When the discussion is a debate and he is arguing a point he will defend it. The ones who disagree based on ideology are the ones who get upset and cry foul.
@@captainmaim Because they aren't 2 dude bros hanging out in their backyard?
It's no surprise either, Eric is an exceptionally gifted intellectual.
Hey I'm a sane tough funky aunt in NewZealand. Found myself thanks.
Ive returned to this episode so many times since it came out.
Its just such a perfect demonstration on how to conduct difficult discussions.
Wait for it, Dave.
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Hahaha, looking forward to next video of this one!
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WOW, best conversation I have lissend to. Thank you!
lissened? is that a word?
How many languages do you speak, best laser ever? How many can you write?
What a great time to be alive, right, Per? Amen.
i mostly just speak the one language but i make dumb spelling errors in zero languages. spelling errors are actually the fault of post-modern neomarxist feminist sjw's thought so it's actually all their fault.
Apologies. I didn't realize you were limited. Best of luck to you.
lissen here you neomarxist, im not limited in any way; i have all the power of a masculine lobster, you better not force me to use pronouns you marxist
Sure seems like Jordan finally met his match. Amazing podcast. Thank you, Dave!!!!
Watched it twice on back-to-back days. Where is my Ph.D.?
THIS IS SO GOOD!!!!!!
There is one part of what Weinstein said that had me thinking for a while. It was about his statement that (anecdotally) in a phsyics or math department when there was only one girl there, she usually dropped out, possibly because of feeling alienated (key word being possibly, we don't know). However, when there were two girls, then both found support as a group and made it through.
Initially it made me rethink about my position of pure meritocracy and the issues that feminists are complaining about when it comes to occupations that are overwhelmingly male. So yes, it's nice of Weinstein to make me do an intellectual double take.
But after thinking about this, I think there is a weakness with this kind of reasoning. In Weinstein's tale, it was limited to girls who (possibly) felt overwhelmed in an nominally male environment. However, if one wants to take this to its logical conclusion, one has infinite regressions into this tale. It is not limited to women feeling "uncomfortable". The tale can be retold using a gay man who dropped out of physics because of it's overwhelmingly hetero environment. Or it could be retold with black men feeling alienated. Or it could be a left handed man feeling alienated.
The point is, if there's obvious discrimination going on, I would say work on removing that kind of discrimination from the field so that minorities can be treated fairly. But at some point, it's not the field, it's the individual who is feeling alienated who might have to change their attitudes. Afterall, even in the original case with the lone girl in physics feeling overwhelmed, according to Weinstein, the phsyics departments normally are very neutral when it comes to sex. As far as I"m aware, they mostly care about physics, not someone's gender! Any hangups that a girl may feel are her own personal demons, and it's up to them to get over these demons.
At some point I don't think it's up to the department to try to be "inclusive". They should strive to make the opportunities available to all who qualify, and attempt to be as courteous and respectful as possible. But all this "forced inclusion" stuff, I think while such a tale is a very rosy ideal, as stated above the problem is that we can apply it to an infinite amount of categories, not just gender, and when we do we fall right back to all this social justice inclusivity nonsense.
The thing that makes it extra hard being the lone woman, is that men get really threatened by it. I've seen it before in more low brow male dominated jobs too. They just can't relax when a chick is doing the same work as them. It's exhausting to be that woman. Who wants to feel like shit everyday? Why not just go do something else that doesn't have that pointless tension?
I think you are mistaken about the men feeling threatened by the presence of the woman. Rather, I would suggest, that the sexual frisson of having a whole live woman, sending out pheromones and having hormonal cycles that alter her skin tone, her scent, her hair lustre, lip plumpness etc etc, let alone her moods, is enough to unsettle men! Men working with men know what they are doing and what each other are doing, but they do not really know what women are all about (and neither do women of course, but that's just how it is!). To expect a working environment that is 'comfortable' or conducive to full productivity once a woman shows up is not reasonable! We all know that, actually, but no one is stating it! Why not? Is it a taboo now? Apparently yes.
And if a maths or physics dept full of 24 year old single men suddenly has a 24 year old woman in it she will definitely be the object of virtually all of their desires, and a total distraction. How d'ya handle that? They suffer, and she suffers. They know that most of them will be losers in that mating game, and that the 'alpha' will win her, and thus they will all feel like 'betas', and she knows that jealousy and failure will be the effect of her choice, for the losers. And choosing a man from an great array of good men is hard for her too, so she's almost bound to make a hash of it leading to all sorts of intrigues and emotional disruptions in herself and in them. It's a nightmare for them all. Better by far to have men and women occupy areas of interest without the weird pressure from others to do the work of the other sex! What is all that about? Girls and women should be given an education like that of boys, but with each sex having the additional angle on their speciality, for them. Girls need to know, in a positive and uplifting way, that they have the means of reproducing a baby right there in their bodies, built in, and excellent - indeed they should be specifically taught that it is a glorious task, with heaps of great feedback as the children mature, as long as she selects a good, capable man, who can earn well, and who wants to dedicate his efforts to her and their growing family. Better for her, better for the children and better for the men. Women will find endless meaningful avenues of intellectual and earning value during and after this proper biologically appropriate stage. I certainly have!
Yes, the traditional patterns are indeed superior. Obviously. Those who despise such things are the trouble makers. Look what trouble they have made for us all!
Any great invention or theorem that a woman can be credited with is NOT due to her sex, and in the vast majority of cases a man could have achieved it just as well, and probably did. There has been nothing to stop women from being fantastic composers, yet few have been. Many play in orchestras, many listen to music and are deeply musical, but few give the sort of focused attention to composing symphonies or operas. And don't tell me it's because the male domination of the field precludes them! It does not.
To quote the famous Nobel Laureate, the physiologist Tim Hunt "Let me tell you about my trouble with girls … three things happen when they are in the lab … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cry". He didn't get a Nobel Prize for nothing!
Indeed he nailed it
Polite Q
I'm in such a "Low Brow Job"
and you're half right, none of us guys want to report to HRM over bullshit that would have no repercussions among men, but require us to walk on eggshells when there are women around
Exactly Nightdare. You and the guys would be perfectly able to get on together doing the work, whatever it is, but once a female rocks up, you are all somewhat put out, as they seem to want things to be less male! Well, they should have gone into a different job! And in Scandinavia, that is exactly what they freely do. FREEDOM!!
Yeah, that's about it
Mr Q and Mr Hamilton above, appear to be under the impression that men are either jealous/incompetent or oversexed
None of that, it's about not being able to act/express freely what can be done among male colleagues alone without far reaching repercussions
Now, I would feel like some chauvinist, if I wasn't constantly supported in my opinion by women who admit they rather work with men than women
Mr. Dave Rubin, thank you for hosting this and others like it, I watched pt2 first, nothing thinking it was a pt2. Great conversation, learned many things.
I have spent a lot of time with serious academics. Two of my mates are Lakatos prize winning philosophers, so I know what a decent intellectual conversation sounds like. This exchange is very academic in flavour. One thing that is characteristic of serious academics is that they do not lie or obfuscate. If they don't know something they don't pretend that they do. There is a certain flexibility of mind and appropriate humility in the face of complex problems.
The fact that the world is now privy to conversations about serious and topical matters between people of such intellectual stature, originality and moral virtue is a very pleasing development indeed.
George Madarasz Well said. Meetings of minds, such as this, are a joy to behold.
Excellent discussion
carlotapuig, It was really fucking good, and I don’t curse much, lol.
Weinstein is so sharp and underrated.
joe kean I don't think he's under rated I don't think he's been evaluated by enough people yet. I think he's even sharper than his brother although he's got a smokin hot and super intelligent wife.
I couldn't agree more. Its one thing to make good, well rehearsed arguments that form a coherent logical framework (JP), but to be able to do so on the fly, with interruptions, and with such eloquence just puts Eric in a different league. He is a real heavyweight.
Eric Weinstein is brilliant. There is no topic that I've heard discussed with him as a participant that he has failed to have a profound insight about. I've seen him with Lex Fridman, where he was superlative again. (Lex is definitely worth checking out: he 's an MIT engineer who makes deep learning and neural networks accessible to non-engineers. He has a marvelous podcast and a TH-cam channel.) Eric Weinstein is especially interesting when he talks about...higher mathematics. Yes. He makes that fascinating.
I'm so happy that there are brilliant thinkers out there who are willing to face our current "cancel culture" times. That they can speak for 2- 3 hours with one guest or 2- 3 has restored my faith in humanity- and also makes me hopeful that this climate of being able to speak civilly and with interest to others with divergent viewpoints from our own will simply grow. That will only enrich us all.
Jordan Peterson is simply my favorite Jungian existential psychotherapist on the planet. I could listen to him for hours, have learned more from him that from anyone else. He has had a terrible time with the radical Left, and I hope that he will be back and talking publicly again. soon. He has reached and helped so many people; his is a voice that I miss.
Others to check out and support: David Berlinski, Joe Rogan, Peter Hitchens, Victor Davis Hanson, and of course, Eric Weinstein, Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, and Jordan Peterson.
I've found my echo chamber.
I can watch these conversations for days on end, but I can't make it through 20 seconds of a Vice, Vox or Buzzfeed social justice video.
the phrase echo chamber is a great stupid equalizer, it ignores facts, reality and truth. It it true that we're all in this echo chamber which agree that the sky is blue, but description things this way doesn't solve any problems.
@@dasuperbudda01 I have to stay aware of my own biases. It keeps me on my toes.
@@momentary_ sure everyone is biased and there is no way to produce a human that's not biased. Bias is not much different from perspectives, for one to have any unqiue perspective, it will also mean that person is biased. It's probably good to know what are your biases but I think just like being nice, being inbaised is not a virtue and is.. pretty unimportant. The greats in history are All basied one way or other, but they were greats and remembered for what they did not what kind bias they held.
Wow, good self-aware and respectful insightful comments guys. I wanna ask puddington, I agree that I can't make it through one of their articles let alone videos without nausea and my malignant white priviledge flairing up lol but do you feel the same way about fox, breitbart? Can you make it through 20 seconds of their nuremberg rallies? Not being hateful just politely rude
@@bobboblee5646 Fox comes off as pandering to me. I agree with them more, but I feel like they're just milking me for views. These long form discussions seem more genuine so I can accept them to a higher degree.
I LOVE this conversation. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
There was so much useful strategy for engaging with others in dialog and negotiation. Steelmanning. Bands of brothers. Re-calibrating the axes of your ally/enemy matrices. Cigar wielding uncles. Tough, funky aunts. Great stuff, man. Great stuff.
I truly enjoy these discussions. Thank you Dave Rubin for bringing them to the world! Brilliant exchange of ideas!
One of the best talks I ever had the pleasure to witness. Thank all three of you!
I've watched a number of these 'long conversations' and this has to be one of the best so far. My thanks to these men for their courage in the face of tyranny and chaos.
First time I came across the concept of "Steel Man" (as opposed to straw man). Seems like a very gracious way to facilitate dialogue with someone you disagree with. I shall try this when appropriate..
*hint* it's always appropriate.
I live for stuff like this. Thank you.
This is easily one of the most interesting discussions that I've watched. Thank you to everyone who made this possible.
Thank you so much for having these two on by themselves. I was thinking when I saw the duo with Shapiro , how nice it would be to hear these two aging intellectuals speaking with you. Love this space you've created Mr Rubin, keep it up!
YEEESS!! God bless you Dave for making this happen. You have my deepest thanks, man.
I logged on and saw this available Live. Wow! Then I got two serious (clever) guys arguing seriously .... for a long while. This is the essence of 'thinking' and 'debate' and dialogue' and 'working it out through discussion'. The fact that Dave was shut out is a measure of how good these guys are - and how important Dave's channel is ... and they are promising to bring on Shapiro.. ... At this moment, he's not on screen ..... Maybe I'll be back. But so far, so good.
Yup. No women. Dave, get another chair. Two chairs, actually.
As someone who was not so knowledgeable on these issues, i am extremely grateful but surprised to see how far these conversations can go if neither one of parties tries to attack each other. I stopped this video at 1:57:50 and didn't realize i have been watching this for almost two hours. Great video. And continue...
Here, here, to the great Uncles! Need more of them. Thanks Dave for hosting. I'm wandering closer to the middle ...
These guys are the AVENGERS. This is History in the making.
One of the best talks yet, absolutely love this one
I don't think I've ever laughed as hard as I just did when Eric implied that the Radical Left and the Alt-Right were trash that he'd be happy to help take out. Bravo!
Honestly, one of the most interesting conversations I've ever heard...Thanks for the format, Dave. I've been following you since the Derek and Romaine Show on Sirius.
Rubin, please invite Camile Paglia!
Imagine Camile Paglia and Ben Shapiro talking at the same time.............
YES
And then please edit out every time she says "OKAY" so that way it can cut the video down to half the time.
ScumbagSteve
Uh, sorry no this is not possible.
You see the universe simulation is currently hosted on a Series J Webserver (SJW) which can barely handle a single Shapiro or Paglia conversation process due to a faulty logic expansion port not being able to support any logic upgrades. They'll have to take turns until we can finish migrating to the Series A Nextgen Intel Terminal with Yolo support (SANITY).
This woman, like Harris, is a titan from a past time. She NEEDS and DESERVES a spot in this team
Intelligent conversation with people from opposite view points!? No screaming and no hyperbole!? Geez!
I thought this kind of discussion was a just vague memory/fantasy from my past. Dave, I'm literally starting to tear up at this renaissance of intelligent, civil conversation. It's you, man. You are providing the venue. Thank you so much!
Can't wait for The Portal
Loved it.These are two very smart guys mutually making each other smarter. Will have to watch this again, just to make sure I took all I can