@@spectorcreative1872 Yeah I can't blame the law taking types from shooting that down all things considered. Too bad they didn't get permission to put those toys out. That was some inspired reuse/slight retooling of available molds
Couldn't Mattel technically "acquire" these characters since they were produced illegally using their character designs and licensed molds? Top Toys didnt actually purchase their own molds, they were Mattel's originals. After Estrela of Brazil was done producing their MOTU line they sent the molds to Top Toys as per their agreement with Mattel- thats why when Mattel put out the anniversary line in the late 90s they had to recast some parts from vintage production figures to make new molds because the originals were "lost" in Argentina according to Top Toys, and any other secondary molds had been sent to Leo toys of India...... Same thing happened with Hasbro and GI Joe- the beloved 1985 Snake Eyes has never been replicated because the mold is still in Brazil and couldn't be located. Thats why we have like a million different 84 Firefly repaints but zero 85 Snake Eyes. Same with version 1 Destro- his mold was lost in Argentina.
Also being from Argentina, let me tell you that when Fuerza T was released and massive retailed they were a frowned upon by most collectors and pegwarmed for a while
I loved them. Cheers from São Paulo, Brazil. In Brazil the company that distributed hasbro, kennel and Mattel toys in 1980's was Estrela (star)-if I'm not wrong.
Great video! It looks like I can grab some of the extra Origins figures and make some customs of these. Further supporting the new line ( while the big money goes to filling holes in the classics line, lol)
Great video! Just to add something, when you say distributor, are you saying that they only repacked the toys? Top Toys actually made many lines of figures, with mold from Mattel and Kenner, but made in Argentina, as far as a know. That's where some color variants and other stuff came. For example some (I'm not sure is all) Kenner vintage SW figures has no peg holes because they used another type of mold/manufacturing process.
That's what happened with G.I.Joe and the Plastirama in Argentina and Estrela in Brazil... Owned the molds and created their own figure inside the G.I.Joe universe. Heck! Even Hasbro updated those figures in the 25th anniversary International figures sub-line... This is what happened here in Perú with Drago and X-4... Huge oversized transformers Bootlegs made by Plasticos HUDE. Really cool video! Thank you for this blast from the past!
Estrela in Brazil created close to 40+ unique GI Joe figures for their country. Some stand outs are the Tiger Force Airtight & Shipwreck, Cobra de Aco (Snake Eyes head chromed out on a black and yellow Flash body with that nice cobra logo on his chest!), Cobra Invasor (version 1 Snake Eyes with a silver cobra logo chest stamp- yes, Snake Eyes was a bad guy in Brazil!), and they even released some vehicle drivers MOC with unique artwork like Overlord and Destro version 2. Estrela also produced figures for the US market- Slaughters Marauders, Heavy Metal, the mail order version of Quick Kick, etc... While Plastirama of Argentina did not have as many unique releases, some that they did put out are standouts of the GI Joe line worldwide and the most sought after- just google the "Argen 7"- Cobra Mortal will blow your mind! Then theres also the Red repaint of Storm Shadow named 'Satan' and the black repaint named 'Ninja-Ku'!
@@chrisj2991 of course! Estrela (Brazil) and Plastirama (Argentina) created lots of original characters that Hasbro re-realeased as part of the International Heroes sub-line in the 25th anniversary! That was the whole point of my comment... Good to see there's people who still remember that!
I had yet to discover the Spector Creative channel until late summer of 2020 after this video was released. It is great to visit these gems after becoming a fan of the channel. Your recording sounded like it improved. Was it a newer microphone or perhaps sound deadening in what passes for a studio?
Hi ! Great video! Just some more info> Carnivor has the Stratos armor (but not the wings, even if they are on the card art), Felinor has the regular version with Skeletor armor, and a variant with Mer Man armor (golden). The Faker you show with the make up is not a Top Toys , but a Leo Toys from India, the Faker of Argentina is just blue, no make up and no orange staff or loincloth. Cheers!
The official ones were more or less the same. A few figures had some color differences and package changes but 90% the same. They were licensed. At least the MOTU stuff was. Not the Ferraza T items that illegally used the tools.
"Black Blood" Mosquitor is a myth. They were all red blood just the formula they used for the first run of them oxidizes turning the red to a black or even brownish color. An unintended variant. Theres a video by 'Madhunter' who interviews the creators of Top Toys and they discuss the variants and the Fuerza-T bootlegs and how that line basically ran them out of business. Now all that Top Toys does these days is translate board games into Spanish. Just make sure to turn the subtitles on, definitely a video worth watching! 😉 There was going to be a second wave of Fuerza-T as well. You can find images of the prototypes by googling. Wish they happened, there was a really cool Skeletor who was red with green tinted clear limbs and gold armor!
10:30 thats sounds like a legal nigthmere. But yea they are cool xD rigth now i just want to get Sun man when if comes out. I was asking for him and i want it so will get it. But i would love to get a Pantano
Your right the picture shown is the leo india version as he had a black mask.. The top toys was a normal hard head. Also the top toys faker did not come with the skeletor orange armour.. Only india leos did. You can find out more from me on Facebook motu jamez
How did I miss this video?! By the way the line's name translates to T-Force Defenders of the Earth. Kinda alluring more towards G-Force Guardians of Space than MOTU.
Apologies if I missed it in a previous video, but what makes a figure like Camo Khan different from these as far as being able to be produced in a line like classics?
Funy how people in the states think america is the name of their own country. The name of your country is United states. Argentina is also America as well as many other countries
What could Top Toys legally do with those molds? Would it have been possible to modify them enough to make toys that didn't resemble the MOTU characters? Did they make this side toy line at the same time that they were producing MOTU? I know you said 2003.
Very interesting content. By the way have you heard about the new toyline Power-Con intends to developp next year ? Fans are supposed to use polls to shape this line from start to finish. The convention itself supporting exclusively He-Man & She-Ra I couldn't help myself but seeing some sort of official un-offcial MOTU knock-off line with Mattel's blessing. Anyways, thanks for generating more and more constructive debates around our beloved brand. PS: Didn't know you could speak french ! OnlyOneSkeletor
No I had not heard of that power con line. Mattel is doing this in conjunction with Power con? I started learning French when I worked for Jada and Ent Earth. Each had a 1.5 hour commute each way and I wanted to maximize my time!
@@spectorcreative1872 Je te reconnais bien là: optimisation en toute chose ! :) Quant à la ligne lancée prochainement par Power-Con, en réalité, il n'est nullement fait mention de Motu(c) tout restant encore à définir par la seule volonté des fans et du poids des sondages affiliés. Mais de la manière dont a réagi l'intéressé (JVS3) via le forum, il est clair que cette opération vise à démontrer, dans un premier temps du moins, la capacité qu'aurait la convention à répondre à l'éventualité du retour de la gamme Classics en usant de son réseau, si la question venait à se poser de nouveau. Mattel étant à mon sens, plus prompt à déléguer en la personne de Val Staples que Super7 à ce jour. Aux vues des évènements récents en tous cas. J'adjoins le lien en question, il te suffira de faire défiler le curseur une fois sur place, c'est en bas de page. Bonne lecture ! Tony Hoffmann aka OnlyOneSkeletor thepower-con.com/
Aside from distribution problems, the main reason top toys produced MOTU figures in the 80s was because a lot of south American governments didn't allow imports or foreign companies to occupy any space in their countries...toys could only be produced by native manufacturers...so Mattel got by by giving them molds
...this was a very intresting upload! Once you got to the part of showing the Fuerza T figures...i laughed outload! Those are some crazyyy madeup bootleg figures! Im curious if kids outside the U.S. actually collected these.
I shop in a lot of odd market for things like this. Fuerza-T is not the only one doing this with He-Man molds, and TF as well, some of them completely compatible with there combiner connections even if the rest isn't available. Like the helicopter from the Protectabots. The He-Man ones I've seen them over and over in Dollar Tree and even occasionally in Wal-Mart next to the 100th concept if not mold rip-offs of G. I. joe.
It seems like the whole purpose of origins is so that we can create these figures that was bootlegs and fan customs. We have almost everything we need to create these figures within Motu origins. No need for recasting and minimal painting required. The original origins He-Man head sculpt works great for Platino, the main hero of this line. And if you can custom cast pieces yourself. This will be easy. All of us who took advantage of the Moto origins clearance will have a project to work on.
Never say never. If you'd told me in the 80's that I'd be playing licensed Giana Sisters games on Nintendo platforms in 2020 I wouldn't have believed it either.
@@spectorcreative1872 Giving your main villain the same iconic power staff as the main villain of the line you're kind of stealing from will get noticed.
@@coleccionandofigurasdeaccion These technically wouldn't be MOTU as Scott mentioned in the video. However, I would imagine Super7 would not want to press their luck and make these and make Mattel mad.
Mattel should take a page from Japanese gunpla and just come out with some kind of build-a-figure-ish line of character parts and accessories. After watching this, I kinda want to buy a bunch of MOTU guys and kitbash my own characters.
Can you explain why Mattel sold Max Steele only in central and south America? Some of their awesome 12 inch villians came from someone's perverted nightmares.
Retailers in the US were not interested. Max Steel has a much larger fan base south of the border due to the heritage of 12" toys and the Big Jim line.
Maybe this is a dumb question ... On the subject of tooling. if you sell it to some other company, is it gone forever? Or are there multiple copies of tools used to make toys? Is every 80s He Man stamped out from the very same mold tool? Or were there hundreds of them making the same plastic barbarian, so you could sell some to Top Toys and still have the production capacity to make them for yourself again?
The tools were not sold to Top Toys, they were licensed to them to use on a specific project (making He-Man toys). They did not have the right to use them for other things.
Yes, and America (South and North) is named for Vespuci Americana who was the first to "discover" South America and both continents were named for him.
OK, so you've said a couple of times (yes I've just found this video, I'm sorry) that Mattel 'would never' make something like Fuerza-T and you say it like it's an obvious thing, but (and maybe it's just me, I am capable of being quite thick) I don't get exactly why: is it becasue Mattel don't own the characters? Is it because it would somehow 'go back' on them shutting Fuerza-T down and/or mean Top Toys (or others) could get away with the 'use old tools for a self-owned IP' concept? Is it just an ideological thing? Why would Mattel never even entertain the concept?
Ok there are 2 Factions Scorpio ala Evil warrior a bunch of mutantants that eat people and T force from the remanents of a post apocaliptic Earth i presume. The heros are The T Force a from by a nordic cyborg warrior (Platino) , a Japaniece martial artist of many styles (Shidoshi), a Greek atlete (Titano) and a Usa misterius Cyborg (Tekkno). Also the Staff of Destructor is Alive and is the Chosen one of Evil eldrish gods... Neat xD they would fit rigth in on motu... Pantano (it can be transtaled to Swamp man or Just Swamp) Looks the coolest
@@spectorcreative1872 Ok now for the Bad guys ... There are 2 factions of Monsters (They translate to underworld warriors) Escorpius faction Destructor/Destroller: Leader of the Group destroys every thing thats crosses his way. His fangs are strong as steel. Caravrius his living staff has the power of his dark gods. They can see in the dark. Pantano/Marsh or Marsh-Man:it lives in the swamps, sea and Quiqsand (He can swim in sand). He can eat ... ( I will not translate that). He made his weapons and armor using bones of sea creaturea. I can de in the dark even in the sea... (So yea he is like an evil and cool otter) Aracnos Carnivor: Leader of the faction, he is and inteligent and bestial at yhe same time his jetpack lets him fly in the sky and move in caves. He realy likes uncooked meat (may be he is demon royalty) he can see in the dark and is a silent hunter Felinor: Mutant Feline (may be he is an army builder). Dangerus and vampiric, it hunts its victims from far away just to get close and dring their blood. He can see in the dark All the villans eyes (and Tekno) glow in the dark
Part of me understands why Mattel didn't allow this since it could in theory would take from retool combinations available to them. On the other hand, had they worked out some sort of licensing kickback deal, they could have ended up with a bit more money for no work, and maybe even a few new characters for the main line. Maybe just say that all of the Fuerza-T characters were from a different planet in the MOtUniverse. More characters, no work needed.
While you are right in theory, I think the points that go against this are the fact that it sets a bad precedent AND its the whole "is the juice worth the squeeze". Will potential sales be worth all the work to make this work. ;-)
It's unclear what really happened between Toptoys and Mattel. I saw a video with Toptoys employees who claimed that Mattel's lawyers couldn't do anything to them, because at that time they sold 200X and not vintage. Still others say that Mattel stopped production of the "Fuerza-T".
Reading the BIOS on the card. For some reason, all the baddies seem to have night vision or some sort of augmented visual capability. Really weird touch. The texts emphasize it a lot.
Dude. lol . That faker is by Leo in India. NOT top toys. The Leo Faker is arguably the most sought variant that exists. Its probably at this point the most expensive complete. Top Toys released Faker too. But those are completely different. The first release Top Toys Faker had a soft head (marked taiwan!) and looks very similar to a standard Taiwan figure. The second releases were hard head (similar to Malaysia Faker) and the last releases also hard head but with bigger body, and more muscular, longer legs.
But, if they sold them the tooling but not the rights to make motu figures, what else could they do with it? (Besides make their own figures? ) I guess that wasn’t Mattel’s (or whoever the seller was) problem...
Enjoy your videos. But this one really annoyed me the way you were utilizing your editing. What's with the scrolling up and down in super close? Some characters we barely got a glimpse of. Half the reason why your audience watches these is because they like to see the toys. Let's get some proper shots or find a way to backup your pictures or keep them still or something. Got to give you a thumbs down on this one
Great info! And thanks for featuring my custom Platino at 10:07!
Glad it was online to show off!
Good work!
I really like these guys. I could see them as being background characters in MOTU
Cant disagree but for legal reason likely no to see them again.
@@spectorcreative1872 Yeah I can't blame the law taking types from shooting that down all things considered.
Too bad they didn't get permission to put those toys out. That was some inspired reuse/slight retooling of available molds
Couldn't Mattel technically "acquire" these characters since they were produced illegally using their character designs and licensed molds? Top Toys didnt actually purchase their own molds, they were Mattel's originals. After Estrela of Brazil was done producing their MOTU line they sent the molds to Top Toys as per their agreement with Mattel- thats why when Mattel put out the anniversary line in the late 90s they had to recast some parts from vintage production figures to make new molds because the originals were "lost" in Argentina according to Top Toys, and any other secondary molds had been sent to Leo toys of India......
Same thing happened with Hasbro and GI Joe- the beloved 1985 Snake Eyes has never been replicated because the mold is still in Brazil and couldn't be located. Thats why we have like a million different 84 Firefly repaints but zero 85 Snake Eyes. Same with version 1 Destro- his mold was lost in Argentina.
@@chrisj2991 See Scott’s response to my question
Also being from Argentina, let me tell you that when Fuerza T was released and massive retailed they were a frowned upon by most collectors and pegwarmed for a while
That is really interesting! Thank you for the hands on the ground info
I remember seeing these figures at a mall dollar store in southern Illinois several years ago.
Man you should have bought em all up. They go for big bucks now I hear
I love the varients that came out of South America! This almost tops Capitan Rayo. Reminds me of customizing early GI Joes just by head and limb swaps
I loved doing that too!
Awesome video, it was great seeing these mash-ups for the first time!!
Crazy stuff right?
@@spectorcreative1872 Yeah this video is a blast! I love it that MOTU has mysterious unknown forms, like this!
I loved them. Cheers from São Paulo, Brazil.
In Brazil the company that distributed hasbro, kennel and Mattel toys in 1980's was Estrela (star)-if I'm not wrong.
I'm not 100% up on all of these companies but I think you are right
Thanks for the vid and wow - those customs are beautiful!
Some of those customs are fantastic! Great video 😁
Not customs. Illegal part use!
Great video! It looks like I can grab some of the extra Origins figures and make some customs of these. Further supporting the new line ( while the big money goes to filling holes in the classics line, lol)
If only. But hey Mattel is out there!
Great video! Just to add something, when you say distributor, are you saying that they only repacked the toys? Top Toys actually made many lines of figures, with mold from Mattel and Kenner, but made in Argentina, as far as a know. That's where some color variants and other stuff came. For example some (I'm not sure is all) Kenner vintage SW figures has no peg holes because they used another type of mold/manufacturing process.
Yes they actually made the toys for Mattel and Kenner
That's what happened with G.I.Joe and the Plastirama in Argentina and Estrela in Brazil... Owned the molds and created their own figure inside the G.I.Joe universe. Heck! Even Hasbro updated those figures in the 25th anniversary International figures sub-line...
This is what happened here in Perú with Drago and X-4... Huge oversized transformers Bootlegs made by Plasticos HUDE.
Really cool video! Thank you for this blast from the past!
Not sure, I'll have to do some more research
Estrela in Brazil created close to 40+ unique GI Joe figures for their country. Some stand outs are the Tiger Force Airtight & Shipwreck, Cobra de Aco (Snake Eyes head chromed out on a black and yellow Flash body with that nice cobra logo on his chest!), Cobra Invasor (version 1 Snake Eyes with a silver cobra logo chest stamp- yes, Snake Eyes was a bad guy in Brazil!), and they even released some vehicle drivers MOC with unique artwork like Overlord and Destro version 2. Estrela also produced figures for the US market- Slaughters Marauders, Heavy Metal, the mail order version of Quick Kick, etc...
While Plastirama of Argentina did not have as many unique releases, some that they did put out are standouts of the GI Joe line worldwide and the most sought after- just google the "Argen 7"- Cobra Mortal will blow your mind! Then theres also the Red repaint of Storm Shadow named 'Satan' and the black repaint named 'Ninja-Ku'!
@@chrisj2991 of course! Estrela (Brazil) and Plastirama (Argentina) created lots of original characters that Hasbro re-realeased as part of the International Heroes sub-line in the 25th anniversary!
That was the whole point of my comment... Good to see there's people who still remember that!
I had yet to discover the Spector Creative channel until late summer of 2020 after this video was released. It is great to visit these gems after becoming a fan of the channel. Your recording sounded like it improved. Was it a newer microphone or perhaps sound deadening in what passes for a studio?
OH yes I got a much better mike since the early vides!
Cy-Chop always looked like a fuerza-t design.
Yeah, he kinda did
Nice video!
This is interesting! I’ve never heard of this line!
I would approach the pronunciation of Fuerza probably as :
FWER-sah
My ability to pronounce is limited
Hi ! Great video! Just some more info> Carnivor has the Stratos armor (but not the wings, even if they are on the card art), Felinor has the regular version with Skeletor armor, and a variant with Mer Man armor (golden). The Faker you show with the make up is not a Top Toys , but a Leo Toys from India, the Faker of Argentina is just blue, no make up and no orange staff or loincloth. Cheers!
Good points on specifics! Such an odd/fun mix and match of parts
With how customizable the Origins line is, recreating these would be a blast.
Oh I know right!
11:45 - would love to own that figure!!!
Many would!
Great video!
Glad you enjoy! Feel free to share with friends on social media. It helps!
I have a question are these top toys collectibles just like the Mattel action figures in the United States?
The official ones were more or less the same. A few figures had some color differences and package changes but 90% the same. They were licensed. At least the MOTU stuff was. Not the Ferraza T items that illegally used the tools.
@@spectorcreative1872 I been a huge MOTU fan and I never saw these action figures. But I like them. Thank you for replying to my question.
You got any info on remco and their motu copycat lines? Thank you for these. Informative and entertaining.
I have that video in mind to put together soon!
"Black Blood" Mosquitor is a myth. They were all red blood just the formula they used for the first run of them oxidizes turning the red to a black or even brownish color. An unintended variant. Theres a video by 'Madhunter' who interviews the creators of Top Toys and they discuss the variants and the Fuerza-T bootlegs and how that line basically ran them out of business. Now all that Top Toys does these days is translate board games into Spanish. Just make sure to turn the subtitles on, definitely a video worth watching! 😉
There was going to be a second wave of Fuerza-T as well. You can find images of the prototypes by googling. Wish they happened, there was a really cool Skeletor who was red with green tinted clear limbs and gold armor!
A myth? Like Unicorns and cows?
@@spectorcreative1872 Those aren't mythical. Have you never had Unicorn steak? It tastes great and a few hours later you poop rainbows
Those are some cool figures. Wow.
Creative, but not licensed or legal!
10:30 thats sounds like a legal nigthmere.
But yea they are cool xD rigth now i just want to get Sun man when if comes out. I was asking for him and i want it so will get it. But i would love to get a Pantano
indeed
Man i love the Fuerza-t stuff. Had made my own customs out of fodder vintage parts I have
This was truly a wacky line.
@@spectorcreative1872 it truly was. But that wackiness has its charm
Love the Techno guy.. these guys are wild
Crazy stuff right!
I thought the Faker was Leo Faker from India?
That is a different release
@@spectorcreative1872 oh! Ok
Your right the picture shown is the leo india version as he had a black mask.. The top toys was a normal hard head. Also the top toys faker did not come with the skeletor orange armour.. Only india leos did. You can find out more from me on Facebook motu jamez
How did I miss this video?!
By the way the line's name translates to T-Force Defenders of the Earth.
Kinda alluring more towards G-Force Guardians of Space than MOTU.
I don't know? But there are many cool older videos to see!
Very cool, the amazing impact He-MAN echoes in eternity.
It never ends really!
Cool piece of motu history.
Glad you enjoyed. An odd piece if that, but a piece none the same
Shame. I would've loved MOTUC versions of these guys.
Many have said that!
Apologies if I missed it in a previous video, but what makes a figure like Camo Khan different from these as far as being able to be produced in a line like classics?
Camo Kahn was approved by Mattel as part of Top Toys MOTU releases. The Ferraza T figures released in 2000 were not.
Very interesting. They would have been nice MOTUC figures indead.
There are always customs!
Funy how people in the states think america is the name of their own country. The name of your country is United states. Argentina is also America as well as many other countries
lol so true
South America
I prefer Vespuchi land myself.
is 3d printing lowering tooling cost yet?
See here: th-cam.com/video/dA9ubOFKN08/w-d-xo.html
What could Top Toys legally do with those molds? Would it have been possible to modify them enough to make toys that didn't resemble the MOTU characters? Did they make this side toy line at the same time that they were producing MOTU? I know you said 2003.
Nothing, Without a license they were not suppose to use them
Very interesting content. By the way have you heard about the new toyline Power-Con intends to developp next year ? Fans are supposed to use polls to shape this line from start to finish. The convention itself supporting exclusively He-Man & She-Ra I couldn't help myself but seeing some sort of official un-offcial MOTU knock-off line with Mattel's blessing. Anyways, thanks for generating more and more constructive debates around our beloved brand. PS: Didn't know you could speak french ! OnlyOneSkeletor
No I had not heard of that power con line. Mattel is doing this in conjunction with Power con?
I started learning French when I worked for Jada and Ent Earth. Each had a 1.5 hour commute each way and I wanted to maximize my time!
@@spectorcreative1872 Je te reconnais bien là: optimisation en toute chose ! :)
Quant à la ligne lancée prochainement par Power-Con, en réalité,
il n'est nullement fait mention de Motu(c) tout restant encore à définir
par la seule volonté des fans et du poids des sondages affiliés.
Mais de la manière dont a réagi l'intéressé (JVS3) via le forum,
il est clair que cette opération vise à démontrer, dans un premier temps du moins,
la capacité qu'aurait la convention à répondre à l'éventualité du retour de
la gamme Classics en usant de son réseau, si la question venait à se poser de nouveau.
Mattel étant à mon sens, plus prompt à déléguer en la personne de Val Staples
que Super7 à ce jour. Aux vues des évènements récents en tous cas.
J'adjoins le lien en question, il te suffira de faire défiler le curseur une fois sur place, c'est en bas de page. Bonne lecture ! Tony Hoffmann aka OnlyOneSkeletor thepower-con.com/
Would Super 7 have been able to make them? On the back of Slamurai's box it looked like Felinor in the shadows. Always had me thinking....
I highly doubt anyone would. Legal issues and all
Aside from distribution problems, the main reason top toys produced MOTU figures in the 80s was because a lot of south American governments didn't allow imports or foreign companies to occupy any space in their countries...toys could only be produced by native manufacturers...so Mattel got by by giving them molds
Nice info!
...this was a very intresting upload! Once you got to the part of showing the Fuerza T figures...i laughed outload! Those are some crazyyy madeup bootleg figures! Im curious if kids outside the U.S. actually collected these.
They are indeed!
I shop in a lot of odd market for things like this. Fuerza-T is not the only one doing this with He-Man molds, and TF as well, some of them completely compatible with there combiner connections even if the rest isn't available. Like the helicopter from the Protectabots. The He-Man ones I've seen them over and over in Dollar Tree and even occasionally in Wal-Mart next to the 100th concept if not mold rip-offs of G. I. joe.
It is amazing how much this happens. And a lot of companies just let it go oddly.
Well with modular feature of Origins, I think it would be pretty easy to recreate those counterfeit characters.
Easy yes, but legally likely not.
Omg i missed this videos. People realy love He man in latino america if you market it well.
That they do. Big Jim too
I have to say that kkk (cobra khan camuflado) is not a variant, its a character created by top toys!
Originally that was true, but currently (according his MOTU Classics bio) he is just an upgraded version of Kobra Khan.
Adam Harris yes, i was wrong skeletor gave kk the power of camuflage
But its not a variant as we know as collectors
Yes but in Classics it became a variant of the character
Spector Creative besides that, really cool video and great info 🙂
It seems like the whole purpose of origins is so that we can create these figures that was bootlegs and fan customs. We have almost everything we need to create these figures within Motu origins. No need for recasting and minimal painting required. The original origins He-Man head sculpt works great for Platino, the main hero of this line. And if you can custom cast pieces yourself. This will be easy. All of us who took advantage of the Moto origins clearance will have a project to work on.
Never say never. If you'd told me in the 80's that I'd be playing licensed Giana Sisters games on Nintendo platforms in 2020 I wouldn't have believed it either.
Its true. Amazing how the universe can manifest.
I saw them years ago. Just thought ripe offs. Was looking at the time. Man wow.
Right?
@@spectorcreative1872 i was at a huge swapmeet flea market.
BIOS on the card are full of typos. Really funny.😅
I imagine they are
I think a better staff accessory for Plantino would have been either the one for Evil-Lyn or The Sorceress.
Well I don't think Top Toys was looking into anything beyond how can we do this cheap and without Mattel noticing!
@@spectorcreative1872 Giving your main villain the same iconic power staff as the main villain of the line you're kind of stealing from will get noticed.
Do you think with the state of things today that Super7 could do them?
Super7 can't do more MOTU lines, their Snake Mountain is the last.
@@coleccionandofigurasdeaccion These technically wouldn't be MOTU as Scott mentioned in the video. However, I would imagine Super7 would not want to press their luck and make these and make Mattel mad.
Considering Super 7 no longer has the MOTU license, no.
Mattel should take a page from Japanese gunpla and just come out with some kind of build-a-figure-ish line of character parts and accessories. After watching this, I kinda want to buy a bunch of MOTU guys and kitbash my own characters.
Origins works like that to a degree. At least what I have heard.
Can you explain why Mattel sold Max Steele only in central and south America? Some of their awesome 12 inch villians came from someone's perverted nightmares.
Retailers in the US were not interested. Max Steel has a much larger fan base south of the border due to the heritage of 12" toys and the Big Jim line.
I am still ACHING for these in Classics!!!
I'd love to get to them, too. But maybe in a couple of years, after I've managed to save up, first. ;)
Many are.
Maybe this is a dumb question ... On the subject of tooling. if you sell it to some other company, is it gone forever? Or are there multiple copies of tools used to make toys? Is every 80s He Man stamped out from the very same mold tool? Or were there hundreds of them making the same plastic barbarian, so you could sell some to Top Toys and still have the production capacity to make them for yourself again?
The tools were not sold to Top Toys, they were licensed to them to use on a specific project (making He-Man toys). They did not have the right to use them for other things.
@@spectorcreative1872 So do they keep tools forever? And if they’re licensed out, how do you get them back?
imagine they add this in origins like the rulers of the sun did
Good video but that Faker is Leo India not Top Toys
Yeah, I messed up on that detail.
Argentina is part of America if you didn’t know
Yes, and America (South and North) is named for Vespuci Americana who was the first to "discover" South America and both continents were named for him.
OK, so you've said a couple of times (yes I've just found this video, I'm sorry) that Mattel 'would never' make something like Fuerza-T and you say it like it's an obvious thing, but (and maybe it's just me, I am capable of being quite thick) I don't get exactly why: is it becasue Mattel don't own the characters? Is it because it would somehow 'go back' on them shutting Fuerza-T down and/or mean Top Toys (or others) could get away with the 'use old tools for a self-owned IP' concept? Is it just an ideological thing? Why would Mattel never even entertain the concept?
GOD THAM TOY GURU ! You could of use any of the fuerza figures and name it spector and be one of the coolest figured in the line.
Well I do my best
Well. Good thing the MOTU Origins have swappable parts.
Good thing!
Ok there are 2 Factions Scorpio ala Evil warrior a bunch of mutantants that eat people and T force from the remanents of a post apocaliptic Earth i presume.
The heros are
The T Force a from by a nordic cyborg warrior (Platino) , a Japaniece martial artist of many styles (Shidoshi), a Greek atlete (Titano) and a Usa misterius Cyborg (Tekkno).
Also the Staff of Destructor is Alive and is the Chosen one of Evil eldrish gods... Neat xD they would fit rigth in on motu... Pantano (it can be transtaled to Swamp man or Just Swamp) Looks the coolest
points taken!
@@spectorcreative1872 Ok now for the Bad guys ... There are 2 factions of Monsters (They translate to underworld warriors)
Escorpius faction
Destructor/Destroller: Leader of the Group destroys every thing thats crosses his way. His fangs are strong as steel. Caravrius his living staff has the power of his dark gods. They can see in the dark.
Pantano/Marsh or Marsh-Man:it lives in the swamps, sea and Quiqsand (He can swim in sand). He can eat ... ( I will not translate that). He made his weapons and armor using bones of sea creaturea. I can de in the dark even in the sea... (So yea he is like an evil and cool otter)
Aracnos
Carnivor: Leader of the faction, he is and inteligent and bestial at yhe same time his jetpack lets him fly in the sky and move in caves. He realy likes uncooked meat (may be he is demon royalty) he can see in the dark and is a silent hunter
Felinor: Mutant Feline (may be he is an army builder). Dangerus and vampiric, it hunts its victims from far away just to get close and dring their blood. He can see in the dark
All the villans eyes (and Tekno) glow in the dark
maybe we'll get them in origins
Well they did make sun man
Tekno looking like Robocop crossed with The Tick
Ha!
Part of me understands why Mattel didn't allow this since it could in theory would take from retool combinations available to them. On the other hand, had they worked out some sort of licensing kickback deal, they could have ended up with a bit more money for no work, and maybe even a few new characters for the main line. Maybe just say that all of the Fuerza-T characters were from a different planet in the MOtUniverse. More characters, no work needed.
While you are right in theory, I think the points that go against this are the fact that it sets a bad precedent AND its the whole "is the juice worth the squeeze". Will potential sales be worth all the work to make this work. ;-)
It's unclear what really happened between Toptoys and Mattel. I saw a video with Toptoys employees who claimed that Mattel's lawyers couldn't do anything to them, because at that time they sold 200X and not vintage. Still others say that Mattel stopped production of the "Fuerza-T".
In the end it was a mess
Were all the popes from Europe before?
Except for the Space Pope
Wow! I would have thought if they bought the tooling and as long as the characters were NOT MOTU I don't see why they couldn't keep doing it.
Nope, just on loan. ;-)
Hearing gringos saying "fuuerza ti" is always funny
Guilty as charged. My french is pretty good though.
Reading the BIOS on the card. For some reason, all the baddies seem to have night vision or some sort of augmented visual capability. Really weird touch. The texts emphasize it a lot.
Everyone should have night vision standard
Wait a minute!!! These then are the shady bad guys on the box art of Origins' Battle Cat!!!
Not sure that is what they are going for. I'll look next time I see it in store
Very similar things happens with Kenner super powers
True!
Dude. lol . That faker is by Leo in India. NOT top toys. The Leo Faker is arguably the most sought variant that exists. Its probably at this point the most expensive complete. Top Toys released Faker too. But those are completely different. The first release Top Toys Faker had a soft head (marked taiwan!) and looks very similar to a standard Taiwan figure. The second releases were hard head (similar to Malaysia Faker) and the last releases also hard head but with bigger body, and more muscular, longer legs.
Point taken! See tomorrow's video for more on this
Foo-air-za
Christmas Modulok?! Santa Claws. Using the tooling of Masters of the Universe (1982-1987) for a toyline? Not a great idea.
But, if they sold them the tooling but not the rights to make motu figures, what else could they do with it? (Besides make their own figures? ) I guess that wasn’t Mattel’s (or whoever the seller was) problem...
After there license to use it was over it should have been destroyed.
I believe it's pronounced "fwertsa," but that might be more of an Italian pronunciation.
I’m sure I am mispronouncing it!
The faker you mentioned was not Top Toys...it was Leo in India
Point taken!
Fuerza-T translates to "Force-T" or "T-Force". Also, Platino is a Latino 😆
Noted with thanks
I am from india, i have faker action figure, n faker has also sceletor belt peace, in india
Yup, that is Leo Toys Faker!
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Got it
Hey the faker you mention was made in India not Top Toys in Argentina! It’s called Leo Faker.
Yup. And coming in Origins at Power Con
Faker its from india not argentina
Yes, I made a mistake on that.
@@spectorcreative1872 we had Faker in Argentina too
You know something is really wrong when these rip offs are worth more than the original MOTU lines they were nicked from
Reality is not without a sense of irony
Faker is from India not Argentina
Point taken!
Interesting! Wouldn't it be pronounced "FWHERE-zah"? = force
The Fuerza T stuff looks cool. Too bad.
Too bad indeed.
Enjoy your videos. But this one really annoyed me the way you were utilizing your editing. What's with the scrolling up and down in super close? Some characters we barely got a glimpse of. Half the reason why your audience watches these is because they like to see the toys. Let's get some proper shots or find a way to backup your pictures or keep them still or something. Got to give you a thumbs down on this one
These were abominations. Lol. I think I am the only guy glad these were never made into Classics.
Oddly lots of people wanted them!