BEGINNER'S GUIDE: TURNTABLES WITH THE BEST SOUND QUALITY, WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR & WHAT TO AVOID
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Paul Rigby firstly looks at broad issues regarding buying a turntable then examines a range of turntables from differing price points. Mainly aimed at the beginner, hopefully everyone can take something away from this one. (NOTE: The included hardware list is included for awareness *only*)
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My only piece of feedback. It takes 15 minutes to get to the actual list. I love your enthusiasm though!
@@marcuslikespie That's what this Time Stamp is supposed to address, Marcus. That said, the hardware is not the core of this video. If it was, then I would have got to the 'list' after a few seconds. It's not a Top 10-type thing. Just an awareness section of what's out there.
Thank you for your great review, here in Canada i can buy the NAD C558 at little bit less than the Rega how it compare to the Rega?
@@TheAudiophileMan Hi Audio Man, you might know anyway but you can chapter your video, so that the chapters are visible directely on the timeline :)
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“Pause this video, and turn on your hifi” bold of you to assume that there is a hifi system XD
If this was a gardening channel, maybe and if I had to second guess every word in my videos, then I wouldn't publish anything. If you're here without a hi-fi then I'm assuming that you're wanting one. In which case the statement is aspirational. :)
@@TheAudiophileMan oh don’t get me wrong I was in no way intending to come off as being a negative nancy, just having a little tongue in cheek humour at the depressing state of my gear.
It was not an attack my friend and I apologise if it came off that way.
Do Bryston separates and Dynaudio Contour 1.3 SE speakers count as Hi-Fi? BTW, I know they do. Great video with some really solid, helpful information!
*turns up phone volume*….
Me, watching this in a hotel room hundreds of miles away from my turntable: 👁👄👁
I have one of the Numarks shown in this video, and it sounds absolutely fine after I upgraded to a Audio Technica cartridge
I agree with you that Crosley/Victrola/etc. suitcase players and all-in-one systems don't sound good, but they will not damage records in normal use -- the popular claim of them "chewing up the grooves" is a debunked myth. And in direct comparisons, the AT-LP60(X) and similar turntables can sound nearly as good as more expensive turntables. A pricier turntable will give you sturdier construction, more features, and more upgradeability, but not necessarily a significant improvement in sound quality, at least with the stock cartridge and stylus they come with.
Someone did a comparison between the entry level audio technica and a crosley and there was actual a noticeable difference after many listens. The tone arms are way to heavy and you can't adjust a counterweight so they degrade the grooves quicker. They don't "chew them up" as some people claim but they definitely aren't for constant listening, really only for those who are flipping vinyl as a side hustle.
@@mattmcgourty7971 Tests of these suitcase players have shown virtually no audible wear after 50 plays, and most people never play their records more than 40 to 50 times. So it's a non-issue.
@@vwestlife Crosley and other suitcase players suck. Stop promoting them or making excuses for them.
@@gomiwomi if you watch his vids he does not do that
@@gomiwomi vinyl sucks in general as far as sound quality goes. Most people dig it cause it's lo fi old school fun only insane audiophile freaks who are as bad as a religious cult actually think vinyl is better than cd even though cd beats vinyl in every measurable way
I have been using a Rega Planar 3 that is quite old. Well maintained. It has served me so well that if I EVER decide to replace it, another Rega will take it's place.
I have a Rega planar 2 ( with my very old Denon moving coil cartridge)
I bought a Linn LP12 in 1979, it still rocks.
It would be it's a Linn.
I still have my Sony PSX-5 turntable that I bought in 1977! Sounds great! Also at the same time my Acoustic Research AR 11 speakers! What a joy to listen to.
The turntable I have used since I bought it in 1990 is a Linn Basik with Akito arm which cost me about £300. The only upgrade I’ve ever made is replacing the k5 cartridge for a AT VM95E.
I am rocking a Fluance RT85. It’s hard to beat with an Ortofon 2M Blue and acrylic platter for $500 USD. The cartridge is at least $250 if purchased by itself.
SAME!!!
Any phono preamp you'd recommend to pair with it?
I use the phono stage in my Onkyo AVR.
had a lp12 from around 95-2021, loved it . now rocking a rega rp8, love it more
Technics 1200 series for me. Direct Drive, good looks, and great ease of use.
Budget Turntable Choice: Fluance RT80
Every Day Friend (Faithful & Solid): Rega P2
Underrated USA Choice: Pioneer PL-30
Technics 1200 GR. Great table, solid build. Sounds fantastic. Replaced a Clearaudio!
mine arrived this week, amazing audiophile table and sound quality is astonishing
What cartridge did you get with it?
@@Tech_Soul What cartridge did you get with it?
@@claudec2588 ortofon blue
I have the GR and it’s better than I expected. Adjustable tone arm to take any cartridge...running with goldring 1042 on jelco headshell, and nagaoka mp200 on jelco headshell. Ditch the bundled rca cables...changed mine for the qed xt40i...made a tremendous difference to sound quality. It’s a keeper
Having spend many years experimenting with the belt-drive machines: Ariston RD80, RD11, Linn Sondek, Origin Live Ultra, Thorens TD160 and TD125. Then around 15 years ago I bought a Garrard 401, mounted it properly and I am now using a 12" Origin Live Conqueror arm and OL Aladdin cartridge, with music man cartridge spacer. The Garrard was refurbished with new springs and has an upgraded bearing, and damping rings on the platter and currently I use the OL platter mat. I am satisfied with the sounds it produces and it has been totally reliable and has cost around GBP6000 all in.
The thing about DJ turntables is that they're robust enough to have a high survival rate and long lifespan so you can get good deals on older models used. I recently picked up a Gemini PL-2410 (basically a Technics 1200 clone with a fancy shell and digital pitch bender added based on the Gemini PL-2000) for $100 and tuned it up. I think a combination of the garnish coloring and the fact the height-adjustment ring on the tonearm needed unseized made it hard for the consignment store it was in to unload it even though it's a rare model.
They also have many of the features you'd look on a high-end table like direct-drive and good anti-skate (needed for bassy EDM and rap music) in addition to pitch controls to fine-tune the speed without messing with adjustment pots if need be.
Technics SL 1200, 1976. Dual CS505 1981, Technics SL-1200 GR. The last Onésimo because it is like the original but in black. Also its a time machine to travel to the good old eighties.
Its been a long time since I spun vinyl and my last turntable was a VPI. Previously I had a Linn Sondek LP12 now selling used for an average of about $2,000 dollars here. Back in the day, I was reading Brit Audio magazines and noticed the price discrepancy between prices in England and the US due to stunt import fees. One day I called a dealer in England and asked if he would sell me one (This being a violation of contract not to sell out of country) He responded by asking for my credit card number and the table arrived at LAX via DSL Perfectly set up and making nice sounds once installed at home. I also took the opportunity to purchase a Syrinx (Sp?) tone arm and the reason for that now escapes me.
Yes, the old problem. You're paying for the truck drivers to whisk that hifi around the country too. Just look at the price difference between the Rega Planar 1 in the UK and USA. Scary stuff.
For me the entry level deck of choice has to be the Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo carbon fibre arm and the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge all for £449:00. This is one of my current turntables, I have it in my study, and I think it’s one of the best value that I have ever heard. It’s played through a Quad 44/405 amp into Mission 770 Freedom Speakers.
My Mid price turntable is the Technics SL-1500C, priced at £899:99, a stripped down version of the SL-1200 family of decks that found fame and fortune for some, as the deck of choice for the Club/DJ community, it also comes with the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge although I have upgraded the stylus to the 2M Blue. I have this in my drawing room again going through a Quad 44/405 amp but this time with KEF LS50 Meta speakers.
My choice for an elite turntable would have to be a Linn Klimax LP12, one of the finest turntables around. The Klimax LP12 is the result of a relentless pursuit of musical excellence by Linn that has continued for over 40 years and represents the pinnacle of vinyl reproduction today, includes an Urika internal phono stage, an Ekos SE precision tonearm, and a Kandid moving coil cartridge, this can be yours for just £18,870:00! I can’t justify spending almost £19k on a turntable, sadly.
Don’t spend £19,000 on a turntable, if you have it spent £1,000 on a turntable and £18,000 on records, you’ll be much happier!
2 M red !!! I think for mid range. 200$ M 2 Red and 200 $ for turntable. NO WAY
Hi Paul You had me laughing out loud with some of your descriptions, brilliant stuff 😄 . As I’ve stated on your previous review on T.T I’m using the rega P3 . With a rega separate speed controller and a rega phono amp . This is probably not the best way to go from in the beginning, as I’ve spent the equivalent price of a P6 . But my budget just wouldn’t go that far initially, so over time ie 3 years I find myself from my perspective in a very nice place . As advise to anyone considering buying a turntable. There is always going to be something that if you just spend that bit more you will get something better. This of course is true, but if you can. Have a budget and stick to it. This is one area in hifi that can be improved by upgrading , cartridges, record mats etc . 👍
Rega p3 here and loving it
You know I’m debating of getting either the planar 3 or the planar 6 with the Ania pro cartridge.
Started with a Planar 1 and used it for a few years, then jumped to the Planar 3/Elys 2 with the Neo ttpsu, an absolute stunning turntable.
I have the U-Turn Orbit with an Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge, acrylic platter, and cue lifter. I also added a dust brush that is mounted off to the side that follows the needle. It was around $500 USD. Sounds great to me!
I will second the U-Turn Orbit Custom. I have the 2m Red but still really enjoy it
I have two major gripes with the Orbit: 1 - you cannot adjust the anti-skate (I'm looking at sending the table back to the factory for the third time with sound and anti-skate issues) and 2 - I prefer not to directly touch the belt to change RPM speed. I'm wondering who I can give my Orbit to as a gift, so I can purchase a new Fluance RT85N, when they are back in stock.
I agree with your advice. But, although I've been using some decent (hifi) turntables (Thorens, Rega) in the past, today I still like my Technics SL1210 MK2 with a Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge A LOT. This (DJ)deck with this cartridge sounds really excellent.
Just wondering, I have a Technics 1410 being refurbished. A/T 95 cartridge .been reading about compliant tonearms and don't really understand. Are there cartridges wc won't sound well with the Technics?
Schiit SOL - Because it is 100% focused on sound quality for $
Project Debut Carbon - Can be found for $100 off retail fairly often. I own this and like it, but which I'd gone for the Esprit with the upgraded acrylic platter and speed box.
Any Rega - Because I don't think you can go wrong with any of their models. They are just a bit pricey for what you get component wise.
Used Technics SL1200 with budget audiophile cartridge. For about $600 you get a table and that will last forever and sonic wise bests others on this list
Fluance - I've never heard one, but I've heard good things about several items in their line up for those new to vinyl
My personal top 3 list as follows 1. Michell Gyrodec 2. Linn LP12 3. Rega P3.
Hi Paul, I'm narrowing down my search for turntables and I have three shortlists:
1. J Sikora Initial
2. Dr. Feickert Blackbird
3. Volvere SP Turntable
What do you think and which would you pick and why? Thanks in advance.
The Volvere but only because I've had more experience with that one. I'm aware of the others but I'd still like to get my critical hands on them.
For my birthday I received Byron Statics suitcase turntable. It works very well. I read that suitcase turntables are no good. I re c eived a good one. It came with rca cable, ac adapter, extra stylus. The songs sound great. Speakers are pretty good. I really enjoy playing records again. It has a diamond stylus, which I read is the best stylus. So not all suitcase turntables are bad.
I feel like the Fluance RT85, with the Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge, acrylic platter, and $500 price tag should be a heavy consideration in its price class.
I think that for the price you are getting a solid cartidge, but a weak turntable. Materials are weak, that's why I think the debut carbon evo is better. You may even update using the same cartridge (just buying the stylus) and have a better turntsble with same blue stylus... maybe that's why it was not included...
@@cristiandavidsarmientopaez2008 solid disagree, but the debut carbon is a good TT. Not my personal preference between the two, but I could see why it might be someone else's.
@@cristiandavidsarmientopaez2008 its a great deal. No weak materials that I notice and really the cart and phono stage are the key anyways
Newbie to turn tables here. Any input on the RT81? I'm seeing it now for 250.
I have a pro-ject x1 (which is a class above the debut carbon evo) and i wouldn't say that a fluance wouldn't be just as good if not better when it comes to price-performance ratio.. I would have bought one if they would be available in europe.. But when you add the taxes etc. for shipping to europe, its not worth it anymore.. But in general i don't see how a RT85 couldn't be a great deal
My favourite would be the Linn Sondek. My brother owns that and I love it's sonic quality. Sadly, that was beyond my price point and got the Debut Carbon Evo instead. Still I'm happy with what I've got!
Really enjoyed. Thank you. I like all of the recommendations. I especially like the Pro-ject Debut Carbon Evo as an entry level table. It has enough quality to realize the benefits a cartridge upgrade or two and can be upgraded to an extent over time. Carbon fiber tone arm helps with clarity and life in the sound. I have been considering at TT upgrade and your recommendation of the Michell Gyro Dec has me interested. Just looking at it makes me want it.
How do you rate the jA Mitchell hydraulic turntable with SME arm!! I’ve had mine since 1969! It still works beautifully!
Haven't properly tested one but I've seen them running at Michell's HQ. Very nice.
Had the hydraulic around 7yrs. Tried a few others too but nothing has come close yet
Great video interesting selection, i pretty much only use Vintage turntables (for price to performance reasons) usually from the late 70's to mid/late 80's. the 3 i am currently running are a Pioneer PL-518, a Technics SL-Q2 and SL-QD33 all of them are Direct drive and and have easily replaceable cartridges so i can swap them on the fly when i want a different sound. the BEST for more modern Records pressed in the 80' all the way to today (and some quality late 70's pressings) is the SL-Q2 that i fitted with an Ortofon 2M Black (it sounds like the musicians are IN THE ROOM WITH YOU) , PL-518 is really good with older stereo pressing the need more warmth it currently has a Vintage ADC Integra Cartridge and gives that VERY familiar WARMTH that i remember from listening to my Parents records when i was a child. and the SL-QD33 that i fitted with an AT92E makes Mono records REALLY come ALIVE and give them a REALLY MEATY sound and even good for REALLY harsh or treble early stereo records
I hope to produce a range of Buyer's Guides for turntables covering a host of varying technologies, price points and more. A vintage Guide is on my list too.
@@TheAudiophileMan I will be looking forward to it XD a cartridge guide would be worth considering as well, it makes SUCH a big difference in sound and can vary so much from table to table like the ADC integra that came on my Technics SL-Q2 when i bought it, sounded okay but not amazing the is why i bought the 2M black but when I bought the Pioneer PL-518 the Integra made that Turntable COME TO LIFE, I am so glad i held on to it even though it sounded only average on the SL-Q2. What is even funnier is the PL-518 doesn't sound that good with the 2M Black, and when i tryed the 2M Red it picks up a Humm but only on that combination LOL no where else, go figure.Even my SL-QD33 enjoyed a jump in performance when i switched the PT200 to an AT92E and it is only a P mount system
@@TheAudiophileMan Is the technics d202 ok?
I'm heavy handed and this narrows my options to direct drive DJ turntables, still need dustcover and at least semi-automatic operation and ability to change cartridge when I feel so - Technics SL-100c with AT-VMN95ML comes close to what I need. Do I deserve better ? I own Technics 1200mk7 (not practical because of missing dust cover hinges and fully manual operation), AudioTechnica 120UXB (too many features, USB pairing light still blinking 1 year after I bought it, alignment limitations, but sounds good with AT-VMN95ML) Pioneer PL530 (turn on/off microswitch died). I also had to retire my Loewe Opta SP 3850 direct drive tt (after 40+ years of use)
Rega & Technics are my two favorite Turntable brands.
Rega Plannar 3 is a great turntable, beautiful audio and very reasonably priced.
Hi Simon - the Planar 3 is an excellent design yes but the NAD should arrive with a pre-installed Ortofon 2M Red. Bit confused why you haven't seen one fitted to a new product.
the issue is that the import price is a bit too high
its like 500 pounds in the UK and costs like 100 dollars in the US
Agreed - which is why I tend to recommend Pro-Ject for my American viewers looking for a good budget design.
@@TheAudiophileMan that MIGHT be the over 500-1500 turntable I go with. But I already have a 300 dollar you turn for now that I can still upgrade with new interconnects and a weight
i had the original Rega 3 in 86 with the RB300 arm and a AR P77 cartridge it sounded superb i now have a AR Legend but still miss that RP3
My favorite Turntable is the Sony PS-LX300USB. I prefer full automatic tables and it is connected to my 5.1 Sony STR-DE575 receiver.
Rega P3 with the Elys 2 cartridge is my current turntable. Lovely sound. Did have a Pro ject Debut but it suffered from hum that I could never get rid of completely.
so many positive on the Rega p3 - in the 70's I had a great Rega - now getting back into vinyl I got the Rega P1 - then two weeks later switched to the P3 - I do not need confirmation how great this TT is on classical audio. I am old school and you will be hard to find better value and even though my ex is British I still like the English audio equipment.
@@tomhound273 nice to hear :)
My Pro-Ject picked up a hum after I removed the 2 rubber grommets suspending the motor brace. Put them back in, quiet.
My P3 has a modest Nagasaki MP-200 riding along.
I inherited a rather old collection of 60's, 70's and 80's records, some of which are not in great condition, after a family friend passed away. I also inherited his old Bush record player which I think is from the 80's. I don't really listen to much modern music so probably won't be buying much new stuff, but I'd love to add to my collection. I'm a newbie to this sort of thing, so would a new turntable really be beneficial?
I'm more of an aspiring collector, and while I appreciate sound quality, I would rather go for a feature-focused deck that can decently play any type of record from any era. Although I may say your argument about features vs. focus really got me thinking...
So vertical adjustment, pitch control, and great emphasis on a variety of speeds would be musts for me.
Still, great video! A buyer's guide is a nice thing to have, as there are some turntables on this list that I didn't even know existed.
Got a Pro-Ject Carbon , acrylic platter, Ortofon Black mm cart. Sounds very nice.
i have a 15 year old pro-ject debut lll with an acrylic platter , record clamp , speed box ,and Ortofon OM 20 cartridge. i also had the motor damped at a local hi fi shop to help with what i thought was motor noise. it seemed to help a bit. only "real" TT i ever had but it serves me well and i love the way my vinyl sounds.
Do you think that they’ll bring back the 16 2/3 speed, seeing they’ve already brought back the 78 speed?
Pretty sure that speed was exclusively used for radio transcription discs, talking books, religious sermons and background music equipment so...no. Afraid not.
I have a 35 year old Pink Tringle PT01, with a modded Rega RB300 arm, a Michell Technoweight, and a Rega Elys 2 cartridge. Sadly it beats my digital source, the cartridge is now discontinued.
Nice job, very entertaining but there’s so many choices. I like my Technics 1500c with a Nagaoka mp200 and a black funk firm mat and locking interconnects. I have a Denon 301mk that sounds a little better but the suspension collapsed and needs to be repaired. The built in phono preamp is mediocre. I use the phono stage of the Denon pma a100 which sounds excellent and requires less cables. I like keeping the dust cover on, dust is bad for vinyl. I used to always remove it on my Rega Planar 2 from the early 80’s. I don’t even take off my speaker grilles on my Canton Vento 7’s, to me they sound a little better with them on. There are so many ways to tune the sound like the IKEA cutting boards under my speakers. If I was in market now I might take a look at the new Project Carbon Pro. The Technics manufacturing and build quality is hard to beat with a few mods in my opinion.
The Mofi Studiodeck is really nice turntable. The tone arm has a nice feel and the plinth is solid. It’s a fun turntable.
Its what I probably will buy instead of a rega P3
Pro-Ject rpm 5 more than 10 years old with probably 4th cartridge and yes the beauty is in audio alchemy you can try for yourself by switching the cartridges, which obviously wear out over time to be changed anyway, so you keep on upgrading your system regularly and the same applies to phono stage. Once you get rid of the built-in one and try even something between 150-250$ you enter a whole different world of sound stage, depth and proper channel separation ..yes it is an alchemy
Hey guys, I'm looking to get into vinyl. I have a fairly low budget and am wondering where to start.
Marantz TT-15S1. Costs $1500. ($1299. on sale). Comes with ClearAudio Virtuoso Wood Cartridge that costs $950. separately. Turntable is beautiful with acrylic plinth and platter. Also comes with Satisfy tonearm. Not just an unbelievable bargain, it is a really good performer.
My wife and I just purchased an AT-LPW50PB. It was the best turn table available at our local record store here in NW OH and higher priced than we had originally agreed to.
We set it up last night and listened to three albums (amp is in our Yamaha RX-A780 receiver).
We were both in love with the sound. The table is beautiful and obviously we've never owned anything like this before so it is a very special purchase for us. Our previous turn table was the Technics LP-5 which we enjoyed quite a bit as well. It is currently awaiting some maintenance which is why we decided to get a newer model.
I hope we made the right decision with this model. I can't find any proper youtube reviews of it specifically which is unfortunate (not including the AT set up videos).
What store did you go to? I'm in toledo.
@@matthall5336 originally Finders here in Bowling Green but sadly as you may know they closed last year. The best store for high end in Toledo is Jamieson Audio Video. we get most of our stuff there. we recently, two weekends ago, found Culture Clash Records off of Reynolds Rd and we loved it. bought quite a few albums . I was so happy to find a record store reasonably near by. Jamieson has ProJect turntables and they are so nice but we don't need another one. We have been very happy with our AT.
I do love that you make the videos you want to make and have never let the comments section change that. Not to many channels left who make raw content like you
That's very nice of you, thanks.
I think the MoFi Studiodeck is one of the best value turntables around. Surprisingly good for the money, It is one of my forst mentions whenever anyone asks me. Personally I kind of moved past that level though with a Scheu Premier mkII (80 mm platter) with Airtangent arm. I would also look at Nottingham analogue brand if moving up in price,
What turntable brand/product is the best when it comes to sound quality? Where can i get the perfect sound for an LP?
Hi Chris - asking for perfect sound is like asking how long is a piece of string. It depends on your own sound bias, your own expectations, what other HiFi kit you own, your musical preferences, the sort of room you listen within and above all, your own budget.
What do you think of Stanton turntables? I have a Stanton STR8.150 turntable, which I paid $600 for. I bought a dust cover for it, which was made in the UK. That turntable weighs 20-25 pounds. I am from the US & the metric system is so foreign to me.
Audio techniques turnable is what would like to buy when I get new place to put it in .is there a good techniques USB turntable or are they just wrong to buy
I have the same concerns you mention with buying a, "DJ Turntable". It's built to be rugged in the environment of a club and sound quality is a secondary emphasis. I'm not a DJ and don't plan to take it outside my home but I like the looks of the Technics 1200GR. (My current turntable is a Toshiba SR355 that I purchased in the mid '70's. )I figure at that price point I will be getting audiophile sound quality. Especially with an Ortofon 2M Black. Comment??
My other choice is the Pro-ject X2. Same price point. None of the fiddley bits. I'm torn between the two. Don't want the Technics slider but I like the other fiddley bits. The Pro-ject looks very plain. I also worry about belt drives being able to maintain an accurate speed and how often will the belt wear out and have to be replaced. How will I know if the belt is wearing out?
Post Script: The other advantage of the Technics 1200GR is the ability to swap out head shells. I can use the Ortofon 2M Black for my mint condition records and swap in an Ortofon 2M Red for records that are less than mint conditions.
Post Post Script: No need to reply. Unless you want to. :) I've made my decision. I'll keep my old Toshiba with an Ortofon 2M Blue for less than mint condition records and purchase the Pro-ject X2 with an Ortofon 2M Black for my mint records. Your videos are always excellent and well considered. Thank-you.
Go with a GR. It's amazing and I don't think, at it's price point, that there's anything better for around the $2000 mark. Ignore the slider, and just know it's there if you ever get a record that was recorded at the wrong speed or something. It's a big step up from the old 1200's. I have a Nagaoka MP-500 on mine. It's just some solid ass fine Japanese engineering.
@@mmmbbq You made me reassess my decision. I went back and had a look at both. They're not in the same price category at all. Which all things considered the Technics 1200GR is the better turntable. Thanks for posting this reply.
Hi Claude - I did do a review of the GR and thought that it was a good 'project'. It didn't feel finished in terms of its sonic potential. So I spent time tweaking and modding it and the sound improved tremendously. You will be adding a heap of cash to it, sure but that can be done when funds allow. In general terms, my comments can be applied to the 'G' too: theaudiophileman.com/technics-sl-1200g-turntable-review/
As for belt drives, I've used them all my life and never head an issue. I've changed a couple of belts but that's only because I've hammered the poor things because my job pushes hardware to the limits. Even then, the belts cost pennies and take 0.3 seconds to change :) You know if a belt has worn because the sound will distort, the singer will sound drunken and slurred, etc. Modern designs don't (shouldn't) have speed variation issues and modern belts will last for many years given normal playing conditions.
I recently purchased a Sanyo g2661 stereo off a friend for £50, it’s in mint condition everything works and sounds really warm. My daughter an avid spotifyer couldn’t believe the sound of the turntable, she said it’s like being at the concert.
Entry level for someone just getting into turntables, look for Dual they’re made in Germany very good build quality & fully automatic, can be picked up for $100.00 and up (depending on cartridge). For a bit more $$$ Thorens is also affordable, won’t go wrong if you find one in mint condition ( thinking of re-sale value further on up the road). They don’t loose their value over time .
I have had a few turntables, but the final one is a heavy direct drive DJ type turntable, with a Grado prestige black cartridge, its
fantastic, beats the hell out of stupid belt drive English units with a felt mat and a big glass disc thingy in the middle. The ones you
need to pull the last up and thread a rubber belt to be able to to run a 45 rpm maxisingle
Short question: Reloop Turn 5 or Pickup ProJect Debut Pro Satin Black (Pick It Pro)? At the moment they have the same value. Thanks.
I still have my Technics turntable from the 80s. I like it. to refine my listening and renew a rega RP6 that I find great
Here's 2 lists. List one I've owned or used extensively. List 2 I've listened to, desperately want and can't afford.
List 1:
1. Rega P2/Goldring E3 (my current daily driver).
2. Revolver Rebel/Grado Green 2 (grew up with and inherited this. My father knew what he was doing. It still sounds great)
3. Project Debut Carbon. (Needs no further comment)
List 2:
1. Rega P6
2. Clearaudio Concept
3. Rega P10
Thank you for this video. As I am now retired, I was eager to rekindle my vinyl listening passion and was looking at the large variety of "suitcase" record players -yeah those pretty all-in-one kits when I came across your TH-cam site. I took your advice and sitting on my desk at this moment is a Pro-Ject T1 BT and I could not be more satisfied. So, many thanks from Canada.
Nice one, Tony!
Your comments in this video about the Audio-Technica LP5x were definitely partly the reason I
recently acquired the LP5x. You were right, the sound quality is wonderful and I have been enjoying that turntable very
much, thank you.
Also, I would be very interested in hearing your comments about and review of The LP Gear CF95SE Phono Cartridge.
ProJect E1 or U-Turn Custom (acrylic platter, orto OM5E with cue) or save for a Rega Planar 1 barebones ???
Hi Paul i bought a project debut carbon evo in the black friday sale for £399 i then saw your carbon evo upgrades video so i bought the acrylic platter the aluminium sub platter the mains hi power and the ortofon blue 2m cartridge all in the sale then this year i bought the project tubebox s2 phono preamp it sounds phenomenal now so thanks to you paul for your advice and videos they have really helped
Cheers
Watching this while I wait for my Pro-Ject Evo to be delivered…
Very good for a beginner as me, but i think i have diferent aproach to the problem:
My system is composed with a rega planet CD, a Audiolab A6000, and speakers a pair of Rega Jura (Floorstanders), and i am realy satisfied, and when i bought this system , it was realy expensive for me, and i decided in next years i don't go for buying anything more, now a lot of years before, i have listened to yours videos and arrive to try something in the theme of this video, and so i ask you what can i buy in the side of a turntable that can make all my system be ok (speakers and Audiolab), but making me use a turntable without ruining my pockect, but realy making a diference in sound, examples of what i use to listen are mission impossible for orchestra, frank zappa The Yellow Shark, Dark side of the moon, etc,
Can you help me? please
Ahh the memories! I bought my Roksan Xerxes in 1985 and it brought me so much joy. Its still in the attic. My LPs (nearly 2000 of them) are still taking up an Entire airing cupboard as I've loathe to sell them.
Simple truth is, with a Roon subscription, a Tidal Sub and a Naim Unity Atom, I'm enjoying and playing more music now than I ever have and I'm facing the facts that I'm now strictly a digital consumer. Several reasons for this, including a smaller house than I'd like, and health issues that mean I cant jump up and change track or volume as often as I would want. The digital realm has solutions for my situation then, but I do miss the physicality of using my record player and albums and I do envy the younger generations who might be playing with a turntable for the first time.
Another good video mate, loads of good advice and you come across really well. Thank you.
Hi, I need some good advice please! I want to start listening to my cherished albums again, I have a Sonos 5 play speaker that has a line in. If I purchase a vintage turntable what else do I need to listen to music?
I was able to purchase a new 1byone wireless turntable with the bookshelf speakers for $100 bucks last year. Wanted to upgrade the speakers and cartridge soon. Would you recommend purchasing upgrades or getting a new system?
Still new to the subject. Hopefully you can provide some insight. Thanks!
I no longer have a turntable but still loads of vinyl stored away in the shed sadly. The last turntable was a Clear Audio Emotion which looked and sounded lovely. This was connected to an Eastern Electric tube phonostage. I must admit even though I'm moving towards the streaming way of life, I do miss my vinyl and the ritual of getting off my butt and flipping over that black disc. The VPI Scout would be my next choice based on sound and cost. The looks are sublime also. I always enjoy listening to your witty and informative reviews, so thanks for this latest.
My favourite deck is my own Linn Sondek LP12. It dates from 1973 and has been so modified and upgraded over the years by my Linn dealer that the only original part is the platter. Sounds glorious.
Ahh, Trigger's broom.
Hi. Just bought Pro-ject Primary E from Amazon but what else do I need? Confused about preamps, speakers, amps etc. I want to buy all the parts second hand but don't know what I should ask
Did I answer this one elsewhere? Looks familiar.
@@TheAudiophileMan probably. So much info out there. Wanted to cut to the chase. All sorted. Keep up the good work!
Fluance RT85 is not covered here but it seams to be a really goos choice! 2M Blue cartridge, auto stop, acrylic platter, belt drive and 33/45 switch. Only 500$ ‼️
as a beginner, what should i start with? i’m looking for more affordable options, thanks!
What's your budget?
In your opinion, is there enough of a sonic difference between the Planar 1 and the Planar 2 to justify going towards the 2? I'd really like to get the 2, but my current budget can barely afford the Planar 1.
The difference is there, yes. Saying that, if you're struggling to meet the price point, it might be wise to look elsewhere for an upgrade: phono amp, cartridge, platter mat, etc.
Recently upgraded to the Marantz TT-15S1 and can’t believe how great the sound is compared to my project.
Which did you have before?
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I got one of those suitcase turntables as a birthday present, it doesn't sound good😅. Although I'm not going the next day of month to get a new turntable so I'm using it for a while, DOES it really destroy my records? I'm kind of afraid😬
There's always a possibility that it might cause issues with vinyl mainly because of parts quality not being the best. Also, I would always have - at the very least - an Audio-Technica 3600L as a common or garden budget cartridge. Often though, suitcase turntables don't even have that. They have a cartridge of unreliable parentage. At that point, I don't trust the design, the cantilever or the stylus tip to treat your vinyl groove well. So, some of these Crosley types will have a 3600L, others won't. But even the 3600L designs may sit in arms with extremely dodgy tonearm bearings so you'll get excessive vibration, again, that translates to the arm, the cartridge, the stylus and your poor old grooves. So...yea. Not a fan.
Hey, what's your take on Fluance RT85 as a budget TT? Thank you very much!
Very nice, from what I hear and having had experience of the 81 and 83, directly. I don't like the auto stop feature because that induces vibration/noise which affects the sound. If you want that feature - the great - if sound is a priority, then there's probably better value options out there.
@@TheAudiophileMan what would you be better value in your opinion? I looked into the Rega Planar 2 as well but it's more money and doesn't come with the better cartridge or an acrylic platter. I appreciate your kind response!
The Rega or the Pro-Ject EVO, which I've reviewed on this channel. There's plenty of potential upgrades for the EVO too - again, reviewed on this channel.
@@TheAudiophileMan will watch the videos thank you very much!
Have the Dubut Evo with a 2M Blue stylus, Arcam Alpha 8 amp and Q Acoustics 3020i speakers and it sounds fantastic.
Hey! I have a 1210mk2 with a AT09XML MC and REGA 301 Tonearm I would consider audiophile.
These are nice looking tables. But I will keep my Dual 1229 with the Grado Silver cartridge. I bought it a couple years ago and then had it completely gone through, since it is a 1973.The unit is mint. I have other Duals one was Dads from 1971( 1215S) and then I bought a 1973 model in 1980 just like Dads ( a 1216), lower end of Dual, but no matter the model they all track we'll and sound great. 1229 was the cream with 7 pound platter. They last we'll but if buy one find someone to go through them properly. Not just fix one thing. I use someone in Des Moines Iowa USA. I have records that i bought in the 70's and play a lot and still sound fantastic. Back then tables were made to last. Yes some not great to records. but there are great ones.
I was wondering if anyone could help but I’ve got a broken amp and 5 working speakers surround sound Panasonic, I was wondering whether to spend a few hundred completely replacing the speakers with 2 speakers with a built in amp or whether it’s worth replacing the amp. (The amp and speakers are 2007 hence I’m asking whether it’s better to just upgrade or repair)
Favourite turntables: SME 20/3A, Brinkmann Oasis, Garrard 301 or 401 in slate plinth from SlateAge at Fence, Lancs.
My best turntable was my AR The Turntable with RB300 Arm VMS20E cartridge, loved that turntable. Great vids, keep up the good work.
Hello, I plan to buy the Funk Gett2. What other accessories do I need to buy? What sizes? (acromat /cartridge/etc???)
I am new to turntables :) Thanks
That depends on your budget and the rest of your hifi system. The basic model is a good start, though.
I am from Canada and when I hear a British accent I prefer prices to be quoted in "quids" instead of "pounds". Great video!
Its like you’re talking about an automatic watch lol. What an exciting guide, thoroughly enjoyed! Thanks
I picked up a vintage Technics SL-D4. It's a direct drive linear tracking turntable. Paid just $50. I've no experience with a p-mount TT or anything linear, but I'm enjoying it. I plan to change the tonearm belt and to clean and lube for best results... The guy I bought it from put a brand new Technics needle in it... . It's a little scratched up on the exterior, so it'll hang out in my office. Looking for something more attractive for my living room, so here I am. Have to say, I didn't realize how rare it is to see auto return and auto stop. Looking at the lack of those features I'm impressed by this little vintage unit.
Disagree with some of the comments about DJ turntables ( except the belt drive & low cost direct drive ones). Especially concerning the upper end direct drives such as the Reloop turntables. The Reloop rp7000 MK2 is an exceptional hi fi turntable, if tweaked with a Funk Firm Achromat mat, & with an Audio Technica magnesium headshell, together with an Audio Technica AT-VM95SH cartridge fitted. It runs my similarly tweaked Technics SL1200gr close for excellent sound quality.
Although it's correct to say the tonearm is important, I would add that making sure the turntable is properly situated & level is as important, which can affect the turntable performance significantly. The tonearm on the Reloop is surprisingly capable ( with tight bearings, a damped arm tube & height adjustable for proper vta/sra setting ), as long as no low compliance moving coils cartridges are used. Coupled with its rugged build quality ( that is far more durable than equivalent priced belt drives), the Reloop rp7000MK2 could prove to be one of the best value for money record decks currently available.
I am mulling over whether to buy a turntable. As I have a condition called 'essential tremor', my hands shake a little and I'd be wary of using a fully manual unit and risk failing to place the tonearm precisely on the record surface. Could you recommend a semi-auto turntable for someone like me whose considering dipping their toe into the water? Many thanks!
Hi William - a fully automatic mechanism might be better so you don't have to place the stylus on the groove. A 'semi' will only lift the arm when the stylus reaches the end of the groove. Do you have a budget please?
@@TheAudiophileMan Thank you for your advice. As I'm a newcomer to vinyl I'd not be thinking of spending more than around £600. I don't know whether this totally undershoots this type of equipment but I suspect it might, in which case I'll take your advice and carry on saving!
Can you help me..so my 30 dollar China turntable can be a 5K Technincs if I just swap the needle/stylus.Its that easy?
So the Gett! And/or the Nad C588 are the best under £2500ish, if I’m interpreting your choices correctly?
Because the Michell is £1800 without a tonearm or cartridge and there’s nothing else in the huge gap between £700 & £1999... or is this an oversight?
I wouldnt analyse the hardware list in this video too much, Anthony. Its not my 'Best of' or a 'Top 10'-type thing. It's an awareness and merely an adjunct to the main Guide which proceeds it. I'll be doing more specific Guides of a less general nature in the future. This was just an introduction aimed at beginners.
@@TheAudiophileMan looking forward to it.
Where can we buy a phonograph with stackable spindle and automatic multiple albums capability?
There's nothing *new* and (allow me to quickly follow up that statement) worthy of purchasing or one that I would recommend to you. Be wary of any new Chinese-built effort that you might find on Amazon or similar. What I would recommend - but it won't be cheap - is to go vintage.
My recommendation would be any Dansette-type design (you know the type I mean, I'm sure. Built around the 1960s/70s, luggable, all-in-one with an amplifier and mono speaker in a sturdy case, etc.
The best are the Hacker designs. Try to find one with a Garrard turntable insert. BSR designs are fine and still worth buying but, if you have the choice.... Also, try to find one that's been properly serviced and from a source who offers good communication. Ask lots of questions about the item, exactly what's been serviced, grab lots of images of the product (inside and out).
Extract assurances that the turntable won't arrive in the post as a bundle of firewood. That is, make sure they pack it properly during shipping. Tell the to talk you through how they will package it - be completely anal about it.
I've seen samples on eBay for £200+.
Thought about getting a Gyro SE about 4 years ago. Wish I had in hindsight. The price now is about double what it was then and pretty hard to justify.
I love listening to LPs, but I don't know how to minimize the snaps and pops.
I was thinking of three different turntables. The Fluancce RT 85, the Uturn orbit custom With an acrylic platter and 2M blue cartridge, and the Duel CS518 manual turntable. I was hoping that the Dual wouldmake the list. But they didn't, so I'm wondering if they have fallen out of grace within hi-fi and/or audiophile circles? when was the requirements I had for a new turntable was 78 RPM and a bayonet Connector on the tonearm. I'm visually impaired and doing small detailed work like putting a cartridge on a tonearm and getting the wires all hooked up can be a real pain, so I wanted the bayonet connector for that reason. So does Dual still make a decent turntable?
There are better quality Duals out there - just haven't been able to grab one for review. I'll keep working on it.
I bought the auto-technica lp120 for the 78rpm speed and the lack of adjustment to the arm makes vta impossible for most cartridges.
If you want bang for bug in the high end category I would go with the Nottingham Analogue (or envogue) Space Deck (~2500€ w/out cartridge).
I have the NAD C588 paired to a NAD C368 hybrid amp and I love it.
Great amp.
My first and still is Turntable = Pro-Ject Debut Carbon. Sound quality is good ( can’t compare though) , easy to install and easy to use. Came with Ortofon 2MRed. Really enjoy using it. Only downside is if you need to play 7” EP , u got to remove the platter and move the rubber to change the speed. Anyway I only have like 5 pieces of those 7” and my main records are 12” LPs.
I recommend the Pro-Ject Speed Box S. It will let you switch between 33 and 45 rpm without you having to move the belt. It will also give you a more stable speed. Well worth the money. That, an acrylic platter and perhaps a 2M Blue stylus for your cartridge and you have a very nice upgrade path. :)
I have three rigs in two rooms.Turntables HH Scott PS 17A,,Luxman PD290 and Marantz 6100..
Hi. Loved the video. Here in Singapore the Rega P1, AT Lp5x, project debut carbon dc (with some discount) is priced almost the same. 550-600 Singapore dollar. Which as per you will be the best purchase of “sound quality” is the only criteria. I felt your suggestion would be rega P1 , but wanted to ask as the project debut carbon is priced quite close to the rega and would that be a better purchase
I'd go with the Debut.