Good review Lee and I agree with both you and Henning in that, for me, it’s not a flexible enough offering. When they offer a version that allows me to incorporate my own Rx and fpv gear and gives me options to configure it plus a true variable speed control then I may be interested.
I broke in to the video at _"the sheep like it"_ and wondered what was happening 😊😊 Interesting model - maybe this is the way when we run out of decent flying sites!
Thanks for your flight and comments! Very interesting and informative video! I purchased one from the OMP Hobby in the US. And I am excited to get the VTOL in the air.
Hi Lee Great video and review of this V tail. I just wanted to fly it for a little bit. I really would have liked a kit version. I still have analog and I like the idea, I don't like how the throttle is a two position. Thanks again for the video
An excellent review Painless [as usual]. This platform seems to do the basics fairly well. But I must echo the other comments regarding too proprietary firmware/hardware. I think a kit version would provide more flexibility [along with increased sales] giving consumers what they want. I hope OMP Hobby reads your feedback. Again. Excellent video.
Very cool, seems to be getting closer to what I'm looking for. VTOL is what I need for just the reasons you stated, large open landing areas around me are vey limited. I was looking at the Swan-K1 Pro and now this. Maybe one of these companies will take your recommendations and we will get something even better down the road.. Thanks for the review.
Great video review. I can do the Chase with my DJI drone (80mph +) if I can get someone at my flying field with a set of goggles to fly the vtol then I'll do a Chase if it doesn't take them too long to get this plane here in the US
Agreed. A little less proprietary, and it would have been a no brainer. Right now it seems to be a great tool, but not much more than that. With a bit more flexibility, it could easily be irresistible as a hobby project.
The other end of the mission is yet another strength. Ability to efficiently fly to a target area the survey shoot video/photo gather data then back to base.
Given the complexity of transition to and from . Well I kinda understand why dji might limit options. One thing is for sure such flight needs no complications. Want to try a cheap repairable version go to test flite, the example uses old tech but works all the details and programming are listed for free ...take care.
Not being able to change something as simple as the OSD is a bummer. Pretty spendy for a model that you cannot change anything. I'll wait to see if they make changes.
so its a bigger Eflite Convergence but pretty much locked into DJI and quite a bit more expensive? having more room would be a good idea for the pixhawk users
A suggestion: use your DJI FPV in sport and cruise control to follow. As always thanx for great content and thorough coverage of a great spectrum of RC and FPV. Cheers
I have lots of fast wings and quads that can film this in future video's. Thanks for the suggestion. I tried the DJI FPV quad and it wasn't for me.. happy flying!
Nice video! Could you do us all a big favor and test what the maximum flight time actually is. They're advertising up to a full hour. I bought a Swan K1 becuse they advertised a full hour as well but it only flies for 33 minutes absolute maximum under ideal conditions in fixed-wing mode, so very disappointing. Hopefully, this one can actually meet its specs. Thanks!
That depends on so much, wind, weather, temperature, speed, flying style, amount of time in hover etc.. More testing needed in warmer weather for me to comment with any authority..
@@Painless360 You're absolutely right, it does depend on all those things. That is why I made sure to test in ideal conditions. First, I had the fully charged battery at about 75 degrees F so it wasn't cold. I used only 15 seconds to climb to 30 meters and immediately transitioned to fixed-wing mode. The weather was about 60 degrees with NO wind. I flew straight and level for about 1,000 meters, made a gentle turn back and repeated until it was nearing the critical battery warning threshold. I then flew it in a large circle overhead until it went into emergency landing mode. At the time it touched down, it had been flying for only 33 minutes. This was with the throttle held down at minimum for the whole fixed-wing time. I've also tried it while leaving the throttle centered for normal cruise speed and the flight time was shortened to less then 25 minutes. I have 3 batteries and the best one gave the 33 minute number while the other two are worse. From these tests, I'd have to say the Swan K1 is only able to meet 55% of its flight duration spec.
Seems to fall between two stools. Too complicated for a pure consumer device and too inflexible for the hobbyist. I don’t think many people would want this as is. You have done a service to get this out there Lee.
Two things I can see is needing improvement, price, and that customization. I would love to have one, but no way I can afford this. Basically, your closing remarks cover my thoughts on it quite well.
is there a particular bind sequence i cannot get the controller make it go into calibration mode. it seems to control the motors and flight mode but will not go into calibration mode
Great review! I'm really interested in this plane but I do hope there'll be some improvements in the months to come. I noticed that when you RTH, the plane switches to hovermode and starts landing. Is there a mode where it will just loiter some 30 meters over the landing spot so you can manually take control of the landing whenever you feel like it? I didn't like it one bit that the thing just wanted to land itself in the trees and you had to take control in the last seconds to finetune it. I've heard the RTH altitude is set to 30 meters and can't be changed, is that right? Wouldn't be nice if it flew into a powerpylon on a RTH some miles away so I hope RTH altitude can be changed to 100 meters or so. Also, what's the range on that video and radio feed of the RTF version? I see it's a DJI videosystem and I've heard ranges anywhere from 500 meters to 12km's and I don't know what to think of it. I'm looking for something that will keep a solid link for at least 5 km as it has to replace my 4G modded Parrot Disco. Final question: do you think it's a good platform to take a bigger battery? The 60 min. claim is of course optimistic. I would like a battery that really does go for 60 min. though so I hope that's a possible mod. Thanks for the nice review and I really hope you can answer my question. I think it's a very interesting plane.
No settings on this model can be changed - by design. Sadly. 650 mins in FW cruise may be possible but the longer you stay in hover, the less you get in FW mode. Not sure about a heavier battery - There isn't a lot of space to move a heaver one about to maintain CG...
@@Painless360 Thanks for your answers! I hope they'll keep improving this plane cause I would really love to buy it if it was a properly finished product.
Fascinating. Any insight into what can be expected for flight times? Realize VTOL mode will be offer less flight time, but curious more for airplane mode, with minimal VTOL hovering. Lack of configuration customization as you mentioned would be cause to hold out. (And I don't own DJI controller, this not enough justification to purchase another transmitter)
@@Painless360 I bought my first M2 explore from Amazon and had an issue. The seller did respond but the language barrier made it impossible to communicate effectively. Steve at Scotia assisted me with it even though I didn't purchase it from him. Lesson learned and I ordered the m2v2 from him. Also if you need parts, Steve will have them to you in a day or so rather than weeks from China 👍
Very interesting technology. I hope that lobby for VTOL planes will increase in the near future. RTF version seems to be very solid. VTOL is sensitive to handle and it’s good to have a solid stabilization system. I guess in manual mode, you could easily crash during the transition phase.
Thank you for the helpful video, well done! I was not clear on the Fixed Wing mode and the speed, can the speed be controlled or does it only go full speed all the time in fixed mode?
Hi I bought this plane with the version without radio control. I bought the DJI V1 Remote Controller (The Black One) separately, me I want to ask if you have to make settings on the remote control or once connected to the aircraft everything works automatically. Another question: Are the DJI Goggles 2 compatible with the Caddx Air Unit and the V1 remote control?
OK, but can you please tell me if the remote control that I bought separately needs programming or does it work immediately once connected to the aircraft? Thanks in advance
@@Painless360 Could the DJI Controller V2 also be used? And if you have to program? Sorry for all these questions but before buying anything I want to be sure!
Great review! Love the channel. On the right side of you osd under alt there is a 0.0 m/s. Is that altitude change in meters/sec? If so, where is this setting in the DJI osd? Thanks!
I have another question. I’m set up with the TBS Micro and the function checks seem good however there does not seem to be ant automatic self-leveling activity with the servos. Is that normal? On the bench without the blades, the 3 motors spin oh while in the hover mode. When I flip the switch to the fixed-wing mode, all 3 props stop. I thought the front motors would spin too but I guess they’re affected by a “below the threshold minimum altitude” setting in the FC.
I've not tried those moves on the bench but it makes sense that the flight controller will stop the props of the you try airplane mode when it isn't airborne... Best of luck
I flew mine for the first time the other day, quite underpowered imo. I’m going to cut some cheat holes in the fuse as I think the fan is starved of air at low speeds.
@@Painless360 5S power would do that but the basic design is flawed as there just isn't enough air getting to the fan. The little Arrows Viper is great out of the box but of you enlarge the manufacturer's cheat hole then you get a noticeable increase in performance. They are both 50mm fans but the Viper has loads more performance off the same 4S power. Tony Nijhuis, a very experienced designer and builder, makes the point about the need for cheat holes for his 50mm and 70mm EDF designs.
Bought one and it does fly okay (if you ignore some bugs ^^) Unfortunately, OMPHobby support does ignore your requests and they do not provide any documentation/manual beyond 2 pages included in the packet and some external youtube videos. I expected more for a 1600$ product ...
The original verison isn't designed to be changed in any way, sadly. The PRO version seems more versatile. The original version is designed for a DJI Air Unit so is expecting SBUS input for control... Best of luck
Thanks for posting ! What happens to the rear prop when you go into plane mode ? Does it continue to spin without power or does it lock in line with the tail ? Do you know if it has metal gear servos ? Thanks again.
How far can you fly and have good image? Is there a circle flight mode so you can concentrate on filming while 2 km out?? I am searching something like a dji or autel. Camera 360degree, video transmission, reliable, flight time. But in Vtol..
I think the manufacturers of these are hampered in that they are having to make it useable for a flyer that potentially has never flown anything like this. Anyone that feels they want something more tinkerable - just build one yourself with Arduplane and any of the available airframes made for this, theres a few available, use your own choice of RX, controller etc.
I think that they’ve adopted the DJI approach of ‘buy and fly’, the trouble is that they haven’t included enough user options for even those type of users and in doing it this way they have closed the door on a lot of users who would otherwise buy into it. I build the vast majority of my planes (mainly balsa) but would still be interested in this if it wasn’t so proprietary. It feels to me as if they are putting this out into the market more as a test bed prior to releasing a more fully featured version.
hi can anyone help me with this if you do not buy the DJI goggles can you connect yr phone to the remote control to use as a screen ? second question what is the transmission range for this VTOL ? thanks
Lets look at the version you can buy without the DJI Air unit. It's about £660, and for that you get the airframe with motors, ESCs, Servos, flight controller, box, battery, charger. I challenge anyone to build a DIY version of something similar for £660. I think, for someone who fancies this kind of aircraft, it's not at all "expensive" comparably speaking. The only pain I can think of would be the flight controller being so locked down, I'd like to be able to configure the OSD to my liking, have more control over the throttle, connect up a crossfire receiver, and put my own FPV gear into it. I do actually currently fly on DJI but I have a spare Air Unit already. But I'd like the ability to plug in an air unit AND a crossfire receiver and not be locked into using the air unit as my control link. Even still, considering how much a regular FPV plane would cost, fully built and in the air... this isn't too pricey considering
I got a Matek F765-WSE Flight Controller on the way. I also have this drone Diatone Roma F5 5" V2 Freestyle Quadcopter DJI Power Kit(Mamba DJI F722 MK2 FC) and 4 DJI air units/Dji v2 goggles. Is there any specific recommendations or requirements I should get for these?
@@Painless360 I am going to fly a drone and a fixed wing aircraft eventually. I am using the wing for the fixed wing and the mamba for the drone. I got a spektrum radios. I got a receiver for the mamba drone FC. I am going to attempt to fly a fighter plane like a Dynam BF 109 or a Su-35 for fixed wing fpv. I have a couple fatshark fsv 1610 head trackers as well as the motionsic pan and tilt gimbal mount for the fixed wing stuff. I am brand new but have a couple of really super smart and experienced people helping me with them both but we're lagging behind on getting the mamba/drone setup. I haven't received my fixed wing FC yet.
Need some help here My new OMP-ZMO-VTOL with DJI Cam&Trans arrived yesterday but I'm at a stop point with two major failures that need resolution. 1. OMPHobby told me my RadiomasterTX16S transmitter is compatible with this aircraft however nothing was said about if it needed a separate receiver. The Radiomaster OpenTX has an "OMP" protocol to bind with but there are no bind procedures that cover this. There is a 4-pin SBUS on top but I can't find a pinout diagram anywhere or what commands the flight controller comes programmed with. I did not order the DJI FPV V1 controller. I have an extra transmitter from my DJI Inspire ver_1 but this did not seem to work either. Can you recommend a solution? 2. I have the DJI FPV Goggles v2 but they will not bind with the DJI FPV Xmtr-Camera that I selected in the options purchase list. The RED steady light on the transmitter remains illuminated after pushing and the goggles will continuously beep when I push it's bind button. Recommendation??
Thanks for the review. Was curious about the range... the dji controller has a range of a few km, but the drone spec says its capable of 40km. Is a 40km range really possible?
Update so far the new models you will be able to control the throttle, I talk to the pilot rep at home and I let him know you issues, he said manual mode was removed but they may install the software for manual mode, and activate sbus for crossfire, I said only sbus and he said yes. No crossfire protocol, only sbus. And wait for the next beast that is coming. LOL
The inability to change anything is a poor choice by manufacturer. Should offer two versions, this one and a configurable one with a option for different controller and RX.
Looks nice but you outlined points others didn't. Having it locked down makes it a bit of a tough sell. In this hobby, stuff breaks and we should be able to replace with anything we want.
While the price is higher than most would like to see, this seems like an “Apple” version of a VTOL offering. It looks great, it works really well but you have to understand that you aren’t changing anything. I think most people in this hobby are more “Android” folks where it’s cheaper, more janky but you can make it your own. That being said, for a complete model with a good autopilot, air unit, gps,compass, esc, etc…you would be looking at spending at least $500 to make it yourself.
How OMP makes a FPV plane with a flight controller without an optional bidirectional serial port for elrs/crsf receivers is beyond me. I hate how proprietary they make their stuff, it’s not helping anyone with them doing this. I canceled my order because I couldn’t get a clear answer on if I could use my crsf, and the price is just to high for something that gives me apple vibes.
Just too much money for a foamie for mine. You are close to an Air 2S on price which is VTOL, has a better camera and is more portable. However a RTH which is 10m off is appalling - the very reason you want VTOL is because you don't have 10m. I get that you can take control on the decent to correct but for that money you shouldn't have to - you don't have to with an Air 2S.
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Good review Lee and I agree with both you and Henning in that, for me, it’s not a flexible enough offering. When they offer a version that allows me to incorporate my own Rx and fpv gear and gives me options to configure it plus a true variable speed control then I may be interested.
honest review as always. I like to tinker so the ability to change things is key to me. stay safe Lee
I broke in to the video at _"the sheep like it"_ and wondered what was happening 😊😊 Interesting model - maybe this is the way when we run out of decent flying sites!
Great review Lee. Hope there bring out the kit version, and I'm interested to try out the VTOL.
Thanks for your flight and comments!
Very interesting and informative video!
I purchased one from the OMP Hobby in the US. And I am excited to get the VTOL in the air.
Come on Heewing, a VTOL version of your T1 Ranger please!
I can't wait to get mine! I have been saving for over three months now!
Realy nice model and reviews. Thank you for all the work and time you put in.
Awesome flying, Lee! 😃
But yeah, I totally agree. Too much closed stuff, unfortunately.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Very good review. Thank you.
Hi Lee Great video and review of this V tail. I just wanted to fly it for a little bit. I really would have liked a kit version. I still have analog and I like the idea, I don't like how the throttle is a two position. Thanks again for the video
Ottima recensione! Complimenti!
An excellent review Painless [as usual]. This platform seems to do the basics fairly well. But I must echo the other comments regarding too proprietary firmware/hardware. I think a kit version would provide more flexibility [along with increased sales] giving consumers what they want.
I hope OMP Hobby reads your feedback.
Again. Excellent video.
Thanks for the nice review
Great review thanks Lee. Awesome !
Very cool, seems to be getting closer to what I'm looking for. VTOL is what I need for just the reasons you stated, large open landing areas around me are vey limited. I was looking at the Swan-K1 Pro and now this. Maybe one of these companies will take your recommendations and we will get something even better down the road.. Thanks for the review.
Great video review. I can do the Chase with my DJI drone (80mph +) if I can get someone at my flying field with a set of goggles to fly the vtol then I'll do a Chase if it doesn't take them too long to get this plane here in the US
I might get one, I have the DJI goggles & remote. I like that u can take off from almost anywhere 👊🏼✈️
Agreed. A little less proprietary, and it would have been a no brainer. Right now it seems to be a great tool, but not much more than that. With a bit more flexibility, it could easily be irresistible as a hobby project.
The other end of the mission is yet another strength. Ability to efficiently fly to a target area the survey shoot video/photo gather data then back to base.
Given the complexity of transition to and from . Well I kinda understand why dji might limit options. One thing is for sure such flight needs no complications. Want to try a cheap repairable version go to test flite, the example uses old tech but works all the details and programming are listed for free ...take care.
Not being able to change something as simple as the OSD is a bummer. Pretty spendy for a model that you cannot change anything. I'll wait to see if they make changes.
so its a bigger Eflite Convergence but pretty much locked into DJI and quite a bit more expensive? having more room would be a good idea for the pixhawk users
Great review very thorough. Can it be updated if the manufacturer makes some changes?
If they update something on it, I'll cover it if they let me know... Stay tuned!
Maybe academic but for UK use this would be restricted to 400ft altitude (as it’s a multirotor)?
A suggestion: use your DJI FPV in sport and cruise control to follow.
As always thanx for great content and thorough coverage of a great spectrum of RC and FPV.
Cheers
I have lots of fast wings and quads that can film this in future video's. Thanks for the suggestion. I tried the DJI FPV quad and it wasn't for me.. happy flying!
Nice video! Could you do us all a big favor and test what the maximum flight time actually is. They're advertising up to a full hour. I bought a Swan K1 becuse they advertised a full hour as well but it only flies for 33 minutes absolute maximum under ideal conditions in fixed-wing mode, so very disappointing. Hopefully, this one can actually meet its specs. Thanks!
That depends on so much, wind, weather, temperature, speed, flying style, amount of time in hover etc.. More testing needed in warmer weather for me to comment with any authority..
@@Painless360 You're absolutely right, it does depend on all those things. That is why I made sure to test in ideal conditions. First, I had the fully charged battery at about 75 degrees F so it wasn't cold. I used only 15 seconds to climb to 30 meters and immediately transitioned to fixed-wing mode. The weather was about 60 degrees with NO wind. I flew straight and level for about 1,000 meters, made a gentle turn back and repeated until it was nearing the critical battery warning threshold. I then flew it in a large circle overhead until it went into emergency landing mode. At the time it touched down, it had been flying for only 33 minutes. This was with the throttle held down at minimum for the whole fixed-wing time. I've also tried it while leaving the throttle centered for normal cruise speed and the flight time was shortened to less then 25 minutes. I have 3 batteries and the best one gave the 33 minute number while the other two are worse. From these tests, I'd have to say the Swan K1 is only able to meet 55% of its flight duration spec.
Seems to fall between two stools. Too complicated for a pure consumer device and too inflexible for the hobbyist. I don’t think many people would want this as is. You have done a service to get this out there Lee.
Two things I can see is needing improvement, price, and that customization. I would love to have one, but no way I can afford this. Basically, your closing remarks cover my thoughts on it quite well.
is there a particular bind sequence i cannot get the controller make it go into calibration mode. it seems to control the motors and flight mode but will not go into calibration mode
Nothing special. Everything was default here... Best of luck
Great review! I'm really interested in this plane but I do hope there'll be some improvements in the months to come. I noticed that when you RTH, the plane switches to hovermode and starts landing. Is there a mode where it will just loiter some 30 meters over the landing spot so you can manually take control of the landing whenever you feel like it? I didn't like it one bit that the thing just wanted to land itself in the trees and you had to take control in the last seconds to finetune it.
I've heard the RTH altitude is set to 30 meters and can't be changed, is that right? Wouldn't be nice if it flew into a powerpylon on a RTH some miles away so I hope RTH altitude can be changed to 100 meters or so.
Also, what's the range on that video and radio feed of the RTF version? I see it's a DJI videosystem and I've heard ranges anywhere from 500 meters to 12km's and I don't know what to think of it. I'm looking for something that will keep a solid link for at least 5 km as it has to replace my 4G modded Parrot Disco.
Final question: do you think it's a good platform to take a bigger battery? The 60 min. claim is of course optimistic. I would like a battery that really does go for 60 min. though so I hope that's a possible mod.
Thanks for the nice review and I really hope you can answer my question. I think it's a very interesting plane.
No settings on this model can be changed - by design. Sadly. 650 mins in FW cruise may be possible but the longer you stay in hover, the less you get in FW mode. Not sure about a heavier battery - There isn't a lot of space to move a heaver one about to maintain CG...
@@Painless360 Thanks for your answers! I hope they'll keep improving this plane cause I would really love to buy it if it was a properly finished product.
hi painless, wondering whether the fixed wing mode is actually doing stablized flight mode or free fly mode. thanks
Definatley feels like one of the fly by wire modes.... Happy flying
Why VTOL you may ask? Well where I live there is plenty of open area but it is fairly rocks. VTOL is perfect for here.
Fascinating. Any insight into what can be expected for flight times? Realize VTOL mode will be offer less flight time, but curious more for airplane mode, with minimal VTOL hovering.
Lack of configuration customization as you mentioned would be cause to hold out. (And I don't own DJI controller, this not enough justification to purchase another transmitter)
All of my points have been fed back to OMPHobby and they have taken them on board so I hope to see an easier SBUS mod soon... Happy flying
The transition from Vtol vertical takeoff to horizontal flight forward does not require any special component or part.
Sadly that is not all that is required.. Happy flying
Nice flight.
The foam looks like the foam box the M2 comes in 👍
Interesting aircraft. What is the flight controller? Is it Ardupilot based?
Probably something like a Pixhawk running Ardupilot or PX4 software... Happy flying
Imo it's a hee wing ranger with a huge price tag getfpv has it $1100
As a plane, it can't fly slow. Return to home doesn't really work. Digital only. Still a lot of work to do. Great review, thanks.
Can recommend Steve at Scotia RC as well 👍
Buy local and get the support!
Hear hear! :D
@@Painless360 I bought my first M2 explore from Amazon and had an issue. The seller did respond but the language barrier made it impossible to communicate effectively. Steve at Scotia assisted me with it even though I didn't purchase it from him. Lesson learned and I ordered the m2v2 from him. Also if you need parts, Steve will have them to you in a day or so rather than weeks from China 👍
Very interesting technology. I hope that lobby for VTOL planes will increase in the near future. RTF version seems to be very solid.
VTOL is sensitive to handle and it’s good to have a solid stabilization system.
I guess in manual mode, you could easily crash during the transition phase.
Have you flown it in manual mode? Curious about throttle response, etc in manual mode.
There is a manual mode?
Thank you for the helpful video, well done! I was not clear on the Fixed Wing mode and the speed, can the speed be controlled or does it only go full speed all the time in fixed mode?
Yep speed modes. On abovementioned 50% throttle and one below.. Happy flying
Could some one make there own Vtol from off the shelf parts ? with betaflight / inav
Yes but you'd need to use something like Ardupilot/Quadplane firmware. Check out the VTOL playlist...
Hi
I bought this plane with the version without radio control.
I bought the DJI V1 Remote Controller (The Black One) separately, me
I want to ask if you have to make settings on the remote control or once connected to the aircraft everything works automatically.
Another question: Are the DJI Goggles 2 compatible with the Caddx Air Unit and the V1 remote control?
I'm using the large black FPV con with it here. I'd assume the new goggles would work with non 03 air units but I don't have one here.. Best of luck
OK, but can you please tell me if the remote control that I bought separately needs programming or does it work immediately once connected to the aircraft?
Thanks in advance
Works without setup. See video
@@Painless360
Could the DJI Controller V2 also be used?
And if you have to program?
Sorry for all these questions but before buying anything I want to be sure!
I don't have the DJI Controller V2 controller so don't know. Best of luck.
Great review! Love the channel. On the right side of you osd under alt there is a 0.0 m/s. Is that altitude change in meters/sec? If so, where is this setting in the DJI osd? Thanks!
I have another question. I’m set up with the TBS Micro and the function checks seem good however there does not seem to be ant automatic self-leveling activity with the servos. Is that normal? On the bench without the blades, the 3 motors spin oh while in the hover mode. When I flip the switch to the fixed-wing mode, all 3 props stop. I thought the front motors would spin too but I guess they’re affected by a “below the threshold minimum altitude” setting in the FC.
I've not tried those moves on the bench but it makes sense that the flight controller will stop the props of the you try airplane mode when it isn't airborne... Best of luck
When the ZOHD Delta Strike maiden flight?
I'm really curious to see it and maybe learn some advice :)
I flew mine for the first time the other day, quite underpowered imo. I’m going to cut some cheat holes in the fuse as I think the fan is starved of air at low speeds.
There is a better way to increase thrust.. stay tuned!
@@Painless360 I tried mine but it seems to have very little thrust. I look forward to know the better way 🙃
@@Painless360 5S power would do that but the basic design is flawed as there just isn't enough air getting to the fan. The little Arrows Viper is great out of the box but of you enlarge the manufacturer's cheat hole then you get a noticeable increase in performance. They are both 50mm fans but the Viper has loads more performance off the same 4S power. Tony Nijhuis, a very experienced designer and builder, makes the point about the need for cheat holes for his 50mm and 70mm EDF designs.
Bought one and it does fly okay (if you ignore some bugs ^^)
Unfortunately, OMPHobby support does ignore your requests and they do not provide any documentation/manual beyond 2 pages included in the packet and some external youtube videos.
I expected more for a 1600$ product ...
@Painless360 any ideas on getting into better contact with their support? Thanks in advance!
The original verison isn't designed to be changed in any way, sadly. The PRO version seems more versatile. The original version is designed for a DJI Air Unit so is expecting SBUS input for control... Best of luck
@@Painless360 Yeah, i got the whole DJI setup working, just sad that the altimeter algorithm is bugged and wants to crash the drone :/
What would you say the slowest cruise speed would be for this VTOL?
Not slow at all. I'd estimate about 30-35 mph minimum... Happy flying
Thanks for posting ! What happens to the rear prop when you go into plane mode ? Does it continue to spin without power or does it lock in line with the tail ? Do you know if it has metal gear servos ? Thanks again.
It stops rotating. I'd guess metal gear but I've not removed the surfaces to check..
@@Painless360 thanks for the reply. VTOLs are very interesting to me seeing how I’m a drone guy and they combine both worlds.
How far can you fly and have good image? Is there a circle flight mode so you can concentrate on filming while 2 km out?? I am searching something like a dji or autel. Camera 360degree, video transmission, reliable, flight time. But in Vtol..
No circle flight mode and the range is standard for DJI HD FPV stuff.. Happy flying
I think the manufacturers of these are hampered in that they are having to make it useable for a flyer that potentially has never flown anything like this. Anyone that feels they want something more tinkerable - just build one yourself with Arduplane and any of the available airframes made for this, theres a few available, use your own choice of RX, controller etc.
I think that they’ve adopted the DJI approach of ‘buy and fly’, the trouble is that they haven’t included enough user options for even those type of users and in doing it this way they have closed the door on a lot of users who would otherwise buy into it. I build the vast majority of my planes (mainly balsa) but would still be interested in this if it wasn’t so proprietary. It feels to me as if they are putting this out into the market more as a test bed prior to releasing a more fully featured version.
Im the same I build my FPV planes from balsa. I find they come out a lot lighter because you can build to spec. Like it doesnt need to do loops etc.
great vid
hi can anyone help me with this if you do not buy the DJI goggles can you connect yr phone to the remote control to use as a screen ? second question what is the transmission range for this VTOL ? thanks
No need to post twice - I replied on your other identical comment/question. Best of luck!
That is a quiet drone
Lets look at the version you can buy without the DJI Air unit. It's about £660, and for that you get the airframe with motors, ESCs, Servos, flight controller, box, battery, charger. I challenge anyone to build a DIY version of something similar for £660.
I think, for someone who fancies this kind of aircraft, it's not at all "expensive" comparably speaking.
The only pain I can think of would be the flight controller being so locked down, I'd like to be able to configure the OSD to my liking, have more control over the throttle, connect up a crossfire receiver, and put my own FPV gear into it. I do actually currently fly on DJI but I have a spare Air Unit already. But I'd like the ability to plug in an air unit AND a crossfire receiver and not be locked into using the air unit as my control link.
Even still, considering how much a regular FPV plane would cost, fully built and in the air... this isn't too pricey considering
I may be wrong but from what I've seen the flight controller is fairly locked down so limits its use.
Are you able to use the DJI v1 goggles with this model?
Yep
Thank you for the response!
How is the latency with the video feed?
Same as any other DJI HD FPV system. Easily good enough..
I got a Matek F765-WSE Flight Controller on the way. I also have this drone Diatone Roma F5 5" V2 Freestyle Quadcopter DJI Power Kit(Mamba DJI F722 MK2 FC) and 4 DJI air units/Dji v2 goggles. Is there any specific recommendations or requirements I should get for these?
It depends on what you're doing. I assume you are making a Quadcopter with the DJI HD system?
@@Painless360 I am going to fly a drone and a fixed wing aircraft eventually. I am using the wing for the fixed wing and the mamba for the drone. I got a spektrum radios. I got a receiver for the mamba drone FC. I am going to attempt to fly a fighter plane like a Dynam BF 109 or a Su-35 for fixed wing fpv. I have a couple fatshark fsv 1610 head trackers as well as the motionsic pan and tilt gimbal mount for the fixed wing stuff. I am brand new but have a couple of really super smart and experienced people helping me with them both but we're lagging behind on getting the mamba/drone setup. I haven't received my fixed wing FC yet.
Need some help here
My new OMP-ZMO-VTOL with DJI Cam&Trans arrived yesterday but I'm at a stop point with two major failures that need resolution.
1. OMPHobby told me my RadiomasterTX16S transmitter is compatible with this aircraft however nothing was said about if it needed a separate receiver. The Radiomaster OpenTX has an "OMP" protocol to bind with but there are no bind procedures that cover this. There is a 4-pin SBUS on top but I can't find a pinout diagram anywhere or what commands the flight controller comes programmed with. I did not order the DJI FPV V1 controller. I have an extra transmitter from my DJI Inspire ver_1 but this did not seem to work either. Can you recommend a solution?
2. I have the DJI FPV Goggles v2 but they will not bind with the DJI FPV Xmtr-Camera that I selected in the options purchase list. The RED steady light on the transmitter remains illuminated after pushing and the goggles will continuously beep when I push it's bind button. Recommendation??
Part 2, Goggle pairing issue => RESOLVED!!
Excellent - care to share the solution for others who come across the same image and see your post?
@@Painless360 Yep. Don't you just love those highly confused/considerate folks who yelp for help, then "ooohh fixed" then SBA! 😜😁
To get the goggles to work, I had to go into the DJI goggle menu settings and deselect the DJI mode then rebind.
Nice.thenks
Thanks for the review. Was curious about the range... the dji controller has a range of a few km, but the drone spec says its capable of 40km. Is a 40km range really possible?
Range is how far it can fly, that doesn't have to be in a straight line away from the pilot.. Happy flying!
@@Painless360 ah ok. Thanks
ITS A DRONE ITS A PLANE ITS SCUBA STEVE
Was very much hoping this was not going to be proprietary system, bummer. I'm really hoping that they sell parts.
HA, yes!
... My like lines the numbers in order....
Do you need license for this
Depends where you are.. See the local legislation for where you want to fly
Nice review. But the flight controller just seems too locked in to be any fun.
It is is a lot of fun but no ability to tweak the setup... Happy flying
Hi, how many miles does it reach as a video return?
Max distance is limited by the range of the DJI Air Unit power wetting. Most take 4km as the max distance from the goggles to the model on max power.
Update so far the new models you will be able to control the throttle, I talk to the pilot rep at home and I let him know you issues, he said manual mode was removed but they may install the software for manual mode, and activate sbus for crossfire, I said only sbus and he said yes. No crossfire protocol, only sbus. And wait for the next beast that is coming. LOL
hows the range ?
As expected.
The inability to change anything is a poor choice by manufacturer. Should offer two versions, this one and a configurable one with a option for different controller and RX.
Looks nice but you outlined points others didn't. Having it locked down makes it a bit of a tough sell. In this hobby, stuff breaks and we should be able to replace with anything we want.
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While the price is higher than most would like to see, this seems like an “Apple” version of a VTOL offering. It looks great, it works really well but you have to understand that you aren’t changing anything. I think most people in this hobby are more “Android” folks where it’s cheaper, more janky but you can make it your own. That being said, for a complete model with a good autopilot, air unit, gps,compass, esc, etc…you would be looking at spending at least $500 to make it yourself.
How OMP makes a FPV plane with a flight controller without an optional bidirectional serial port for elrs/crsf receivers is beyond me. I hate how proprietary they make their stuff, it’s not helping anyone with them doing this. I canceled my order because I couldn’t get a clear answer on if I could use my crsf, and the price is just to high for something that gives me apple vibes.
Works fine with crossfire
Time to switch to metric system ☺️👍🏻
In the UK? Unlikely. We invented the dam system... ;)
@@Painless360
You invented smth cumbersome and awkward. You got principles over there 😄
More like being bloody minded ;)
Way too expensive…
$900!
You didn't watch the unboxing then? ;)
Just too much money for a foamie for mine. You are close to an Air 2S on price which is VTOL, has a better camera and is more portable. However a RTH which is 10m off is appalling - the very reason you want VTOL is because you don't have 10m. I get that you can take control on the decent to correct but for that money you shouldn't have to - you don't have to with an Air 2S.
666'th like. Lol