Why The VW-Group Bought Scania - Game Changing Strategy
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- Why The VW-Group Bought Scania - Game Changing Strategy
In 2008, Volkswagen made a bold move by acquiring Scania, a Swedish truck manufacturer. This acquisition was seen as a game-changer for the automotive industry, as it gave Volkswagen a major foothold in the commercial vehicle market.
But why did Volkswagen buy Scania? What was the motivation behind this acquisition?
In this video, we will explore the reasons why Volkswagen bought Scania and how the acquisition has benefited the company. We will also take a look at the future of the commercial vehicle market and how Volkswagen plans to stay ahead of the competition.
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00:00 Start
00:41
Reasons VW Bought Scania
02:06 Scania's Broad Engine Range
03:20
Scania History
03:41 The Traton Group
04:28 Summery
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Volvo R6 13 (12.9) je bolji od scania R6 13 (12.8) ali je V8 scania 16.4 ccm bolji od volva R6 16 (16.1).
Volvo are the lorries ever
The acquisition must have been the worst news ever for the Swedish engineering community..😢
They still produce and have engineers employed in sweden
@@TruckTropiawell gm killed saab and wv might kill scania
@@KKevVW will kill Scania never mind might .. That country should have been kept indefinitely in poverty after WW2. For the atrocities caused by their ancestors .. I don't care a thing about what people think about me for saying it either...
@@KKevThe fact that VW isn't doing much to Scania and even promotes Scania as the leading company of Traton, I think Scania will be fine
The Chinese - Volvo
GM - SAAB
VAG - Scania
Oh dear
The final step would be to (re)enter the north American market with Scania.
Since they are available anywhere else in the world, even in such isolated markets with very strong domestic brands like Japan.
They already did that, via a
new powertrain they designed for International.
If only they kept the T series (Torpedo or nosed version)...
@@KayoMichiels i bet if they ever enter the north american market, the T series will make a comeback. If there is one place in the world where you can sell nosed trucks, than it´s north america.
And once they are designed, you could get them everywhere, or at least the original parts to built them by yourself in small numbers.
@@KayoMichiels The T-series was more of a gimmick, not built properly as a long-nose truck. It wouldn't work by today's standards, but it was nice for the time being. I love the first ones, the T143, but the newer ones made less sense. It was all in all still a cabover, but with a hood. A real long-nose is low, narrow at the driving position, and just overall different.
I believe a another big reason why we no longer have cabovers in the US is just down to axle weight restrictions. We'd need some food regulators to step in, de-regulate and overhaul our lagging trucking industry. Many countries outside the US also run heavier and longer combos. If we could bump weight restrictions up to 105,000 or 110,000 pounds for a seven axle setup. Many fleets could downsize quite a bit, It would reduce emissions, and reduce the amount of idiots out here too.
Our whole transportation and manufacturing industry is a mess because politicians want to play games instead of actually doing their jobs.. Best thing we could do is get together with Europe, Canada, and Mexico and develop universal weight, emissions, qnd safety standards. It would ease the burden on manufacturers having to re-engineer equipment for different markets and bring down the cost of equipment. Less trucks needed on the road would also benefit parking.
Everything a consumer buys be it food, clothes, tech, houses, ect.. has a shipping cost associated. Not only that, but increasing the number of axles also displaces weight better, which would reduce the cost of maintaining our roads.
A five axle truck loaded to 80,000 pounds is putting down 18,000 per axle, and 12,500 on the steer. A seven axle truck at 110,000 would be putting down 16,250 per axle and 12,500 on the steer. Though the steer axle weight limit could be bumped up to 16,500 as well for COE tractors.
I'd say screw all electric trucks, and go hybrid. A hybrid would be able to generate it's own electricity, putting less strain on the power grid. For heavier equipment you'd have the benefit of the added electric axle to help acceleration, climbing hills, and descending hills. The combo would boost fuel economy substantially, thus reducing emissions in the long run, and reducing fuel costs to fleets and owner ops. The battery pack could/can double as an electric APU for the driver to run AC and such when parked. Plus you have the added safety of redundancy. If the engine takes a shit going down the road, you can fall back on the electric axle to limp it to safe spot to pull off and vice-versa. Also the added axles give you more braking power and traction as well to stop the heavier combo.
It would cost way less to just upgrade any bridges that need it, versus to push for all electric which would require our entire electrical infrastructure to be overhauled nation wide. With the rising cost of copper and other electrical resources, that feat is becoming less and less practical..
Thanks for sharing 👍
Well stated!
It is being worked on, I am one of the driver representatives that has just gotten the ball rolling on doing just this under a pilot program. Surprisingly, Traton groups vice president said once the program is green lit, he could have the trial units to operators inside 6 months.
@@dankinusmc1 Well that would certainly be exciting to see. Maybe if Scania brings their Cabovers over here, it might insight others like Volvo or Mercedes to do the same. Anymore and there are certainly a few urban customers I've delivered to where the shorter wheelbase would be handy, I can think of a few older tighter truck stops as well.
They shouldn't share parts. That's what makes them special and different brands. Keep Scania as Scania and not a mix between MAN and Scania.
I kind of wish Scania would bring their T-Series to the US they were definitely interesting looking trucks before they got cut.
The T series has a limited market in Europe because of strict length regs
@@garethifan1034 And that is less of a problem in the US so they would be a good potential introductory model for the US market.
T series aren't made bei Scania anymore... a few companies modify Scanias to be Torpedoes...as they are called in Europe...
US don't deserve any scanias in there country because they have shit trucks
I love how horsepower and newton metres are used in the same sentence
Yes the US transport industry is years behind. 80000lb gross combination weight is ridiculous. And dual axle semis are crazy. IMHO its a revenue trick for the state coffers. The legislators in the US need to come to Western Australia. The authorities are very proactive and support the primary industries like mining, grain and agriculture. The US would benefit incredibly by using roadtrains. And getting rid of those ridiculous two axle spaced axle semis. Imagine how they damage the roads.
But introducing roadtrains in the US might elicit complaints from other motorists. There are already complaints from quite a few car owners that the standard truck lengths now makes it a little unsafe to overtake - and its been going on for years. Also, the infrastructure in the US is ill-suited for roadtrains. Trying to swing a standard truck-trailer set on an inner-city road is hard enough, but add even a single additional trailer is a traffic nightmare.
@@kristoffermangilawe do actually have length rules for urban areas and overenthusiastic approved routes, the B train concept is much more traffic and route friendly than those 60ft trailers you run while allowing much more payload, I don't think too many in the US truly are knowledgeable on how vast our transport system and classification is, we aren't just country gravel roads with no one around like a lot think
The US has a bridge issue. So many bridges that need attention and very little money spent on maintaining and upgrading them. We also have a lot more places with large elevation changes than Australia does. Road trains would work on the Great Plains, but would be tough in the Appalachians and next to impossible in the Rockies.
Doubles are pretty common and you can run Rocky Mountain doubles and triples out west on some routes. Other routes restrict doubles dues to the grades and/or the elevation. You need a lot of engine to pull a lot of weight up to Eisenhauer Tunnel (3,400m/11,150 feet above sea level). The Appalachians have the issue of steep grades and tight curves.
@@kristoffermangilaThen you could use B-double of two 20' in downtown area. In fact, B-double has smaller off-tracking than a single 53' trailer
@@TobenyChen but then the driver or the shipper must check with the local authorities if those B-doubles are even allowed, because some localities ban the use of B-doubles on their roads or on some sections of their roads.
Anyone who uses a newer US truck with a Detroit Diesel has been driving European for a long time. It is identical to the Mercedes OM47x and is also in the Mitsubishi Fuso.
This is also true for Volvo VNL and Mack Anthem trucks. It is identical to the powerplant on the FH16.
Volvo USA and only sell the 13 l engine.
Yup you're right
North American trucking is low rpm/high torque for many hours at a stretch. Totally different than Europe.
You mean high rpm and higher speeds. Europe only allows 89 speedlimiter
@@gertjanvangastel No. Trucks are geared to make desired highway speeds at low rpm. High torque engine ratings make this possible.
@@pvillehick67I wouldn't say that's true. You get most trucks in to top gear at say 60kph and keep it right up to 100kph. At Highway speeds they're sitting well above the most economical rev range.
@@ornametrics You are not talking to owner-operators that are striving for fuel mileage. The engine is pulling very near peak torque rpm. I worked on CATERPILLAR highway truck engines FOR 43 years.
@@pvillehick67 well I do drive to maximise fuel economy. Peak torque in most trucks is around 1500rpm. If you were to drive along at that rpm in top gear you would be well below the speed limit. Travel time is important too.
2017 they agreed to start sharing parts, dont think I've seen any MAN that use Scania engines still in 2023.
This would not have been possible if the big countries in the EU had not oposed the merger between volvo and scania which would have made a formidable company this due to that the swedish market at the time would have been 90% on big trucks within that new company . But that was just a way to stop the competition. But it was also a internal fight between volvo and scania who had different approches at the time on how to build a truck. And scania had some advantages on less part needed to build up a truck and could be used among the rest of the fleet and not specifically made for a certain truck.
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The VAG group did it with car brands by buying Seat and Skoda why not trucks .
Vlasnici su 89 % Traton grupe i odvojeno je kao i Iveco od Fiat grupe ali u vlasništvu.
What about VW trucks? Any takes on that one? Thanks for the good content.
Caminhões e Ônibus Volkswagen do Brasil.
Único país no mundo que fabrica caminhões usando a logomarca VW.
Por sinal é líder de vendas e excelente caminhões.
@@Clodoaldojose195Argentina tambem tem fabricas
I think it was a mistake they made Scania and MAN similar except cabin. Now those are direct competitors to each other
Vw have done it for years with seat skoda and Audi same running gear just different bodies and Audi and vw were the premium brands just like scania will be the premium brand
Audi has more refined/expnsive suspensions, they are quiteer and more expensive interiors. And you dont find the strongest engines in other than Audi.@@gregshearer423
Not a mistake at all by VW. These takeovers contribute to a coporate wide strategy that increases efficiency by a great margin. MAN and Scania also share a pretty similar company history, structure and product variety.
Top de linha
You would hope that they keep the scania opticruise gearbox as its far far better than man woeful gearbox because if they just morph a scania into a man they will lose a huge amount of sales
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Driven both Scania and MAN. MAN somehow feel cheaper
Same, it feels cheaper and it also doesn’t sit on the road as good. The overall suspension of the chassis and cab feels different.
Ofcourse a MAN is much cheaper, it's literally one of the worst trucks in Europe
MAN was previously called the economy version of a Merc.
So the MAN A22 and the Scania KUB will share same engine?
I still don't really believe the v8 of scania will be stopped in 2027 since it's basically the money maker of scania, if you look on the roads, a lot of scanias are v8 they cost 16.000 more in the Netherlands but are popular, if they give that up they give the brand up and vw knows that really well, but if they do i wish them good luck with just the difference in cab
The "V" in Volkswagen is pronounced as "F" :)
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Correct
And the w is said like v
I drive a MAN Van - best Van I've owned. Well worth the price!
They make Amazing vans :)
Aren't they a rebadged VW? 😂
@@MrJewripperit's a rebadged VW Crafter.
They are going down fast
What is the red truck in the thumbnail. Ive seen it on the road but never knew what it was
international loanstar, aka the pice of junk paperweight in the us industry that's too dam heavy, same as the pro star LT
@@haloreaper1000 I think it looks cool but I've only seen like 3 of them on the road. They must be rare
@@zali9657 they kinda are. Not many were bought. You see more LTs than anything tho
Only the 2009 models have side skirting as they did not have DEF tanks. Most from that year came with a 600 horsepower Cummins and were supposedly very cheap to buy if you placed your order on the spot at the mid American truck show when they were introduced. They also had a Harley Davidson edition. Beautiful trucks but they are heavier, more expensive to buy and maintain (air filters on the side intakes near $600), and harder to back up as they typically have stacks blocking your view out the window while backing.
Safe Journey! CHOLULA!!!
actually the biggest problem is how to tell apart all these mercedes trucks ... follow the origin and it's all daimer benz
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It's with a sad heart I watched the best truck makers in the world flush their legacy down the toilet 🚻.
Volvo wanted to acquire Scania but forces..... within EU opposed to that under the argument that Volvo will have the lions share in the trucking industry in Europe
Scania The Best
Scania N113CRB. Best buses ever.
The saddest takeover in world history.
What, Scania sunny Swedish? I missed this... i thought Volvo wanted to buy Scania? I totally missed it
I volvo is owned by a Chinese company
@@yashgoyal5708That Volvo Cars, The Volvo Group that makes trucks, marine engines and construction equipment is a different much larger company that is Swedish
Volvo tried to buy scania. Thats why they sold their car business(to get money)back in 1999 i believe. But acquiring scania was block by EU(antimonopoly policy). So Volvo Cars was bought by Ford in 1999 and later sold to Geely in 2010.
@@yashgoyal5708 NO, Volvo trucks is Swedish, cars are Chinese.
Volvo je htio kupiti scania ali je europska administracija poništila tu kupovinu pa je volvo našao renault partnera u kojem je vlasništvu bio i mack i tako je volvo kupio renault v.i.
I hope they are make the v8's for a very long time. Electric is not the future. It will be the future for in the city. Not for a long haul
They need to bring the Scania V8 to North America and put it in International trucks.
One can hope... imagine a Scania-designed V8 on an International Lonestar...
No offense, but why put a premium powerplant in a more below average truck?
International trucks aren't that great these days and certainly are lagging behind in many ways, from market share to technology. Even the Lonestar having some style, with some "classic aesthetic" but modernized, still a disappointment in tech, a bit heavy and not that spacious for the size.
Maybe if Scania reworked and properly modernized International trucks, from materials, processes, structure and everything else in partnership with the technical people in the US, including pushing some standard I6 and throwing in the V8 options for a new top heavy duty line.
@@chaoswarriorbr if my trucking history is right, this is the situation Mercedes-Benz Trucks came in when they acquired Freightliner and later on Western Star - two truck companies losing market share to the two PACCAR brands, Kenworth and Peterbilt. Same thing when Volvo completely took over White Trucks and then acquired Mack. Now all three companies - Freightliner, Western Star and Mack are very competitive, thanks to the technical (and financial) imputs from their European parent companies. I believe the same will happen to International.
@@chaoswarriorbr No offense taken. I’ve owned International 5900s, 9900s, Lonestars and HXs since 2005. When International had the emissions debacle I switched to other brands. Peterbilt,KW and Western Star. Inhave a mixed fleet now. I have consistently purchased International’s $10 to $15k cheaper than other brands and have sold and traded them in for equal and sometimes higher values than other brands. To say Internationals Severe Duty offer aren’t a premium product is definitely your opinion and you have the right to your opinion. We operate with GCWs from 120,000 to 250,000 pounds regularly and our Internationals have equaled and outperformed our Pete’s, KWs and Western Stars. Now I cannot speak about Internationals offerings in the less than 80k GCW world but in my world the HX is a premium product and deserves Scania V8s and more severe duty axle options.
@@rocktechinc So the HX is running X15 engine (Performance? Tuned?) and Eaton automated or even manual 18 speed?
I wouldn't want to pull that weight with the International powerplant and other standard options.
How did it do against a T800?
I understand Paccar has some issues also, even their european brand, DAF, doesn't have anything better then the MX-13 in the US, though their newer top tier truck there seems "highly techy", not sure about the quality of the cabin and such, but it looks nice from what I've seen, unlike the International cabins (though the Lonestar has some niceness to it, just not on the edge). On the other hand Scania has some top notch cabins, tech, powerplants, etc. though looks might not be appealing to the general public in the US and Canada ( I kinda like the techy box cabover, but we should have some newer american designs with more Scania quality).
I drove freitliner with Detroit diesel in and I made almoust 100000 miles and everything was original even alternator can scania do that
Ii Sverige vi kör 25 meter ekipage lastbil med 18 pallplatser plus släp med 33 pallplatser och brutto vikt 64 ton.två förare kör 22 timmar om dagen nästan varje dag äldsta Scania jag körde var 1700000 km och jag var arg när de sålde lastbilen
This is painful. I'm assuming you are trying to say [Freightliner] with [1,000,000] miles.
@@GG-ub4ej Thanks. I was wondering how 100,000 miles was an accomplishment.
Yes. 10 times better with better fuel mileage as well. Only thing NA trucks have over European is driver confort and that's it
@@AIexMan You do realize that both Detroit Diesel and Freightliner are European.
But why did Scania need that?
Scania never had a choice vw group offered a certain price for a majority of the shares which the stakeholders accept and once you reach a certain amount of shares % by law you can acquire the rest…so nothing Scania could do to stop it…it’s what is known as leverage buy out…
@@chrisyboy666 Well, if the case was just shareholder's wish to get easy money... then yep. Thnx.
@@user-gw2nz1xd6k and that’s capitalism
A sad day VW brought out the best truck maker in Europe , only Volvo trucks are Swedish now
@user-w2nz1xd6k
You bring up an important aspect totally left out of this video
Back in 2008 CEO of MAN Håkan Samuelsson, a former member of top management of Scania, did put a bit on Scania. MAN was in trouble, not just financially, it was not up to sniff! The brand was failing.
Håkan knew from the inside that Scania had everything MAN lacked. Thus he saw it as his responsibility to acquire Scania.
At the time Volkswagen Group had only a minority stake at MAN and no shares in Scania.
Leif Östling, the CEO of Scania, at the time, saw the acquisition steps by MAN as a hostile takeover. Investor AB - an old strategic investor controlled by the Wallenberg family, was at the time the key investor behind Scania (as well as SAAB (the airplane and weapon division, ABB as well as Ericsson and other important companies).
Investor AB, did no longer see Scania as a strategic investment. Was thus not willing to save Scania, by them selves. Instead VW Group was contacted. Ferdinand Piech, Chairman of the VW Group at the time, saw a unique option for VW, to become a major player not just in consumer cars but also in trucks. As someone stated above - heavy VW trucks was only produces in Latin America. In Europe they only had vans and small trucks.
Thus VW ended up saving Scania from the hostile takeover by MAN and on top of that acquiring MAN in the process.
Today, longtime employee of Scania, Christian Levin, now CEO, is the chair of the MAN board and CEO of the Traton Group, VW’s commercial trucks.
In a way Håkan Samuelsson got what he wanted. Scania did in fact save MAN, yet not the way he envisioned and not with him in charge. After MAN, he was CEO at Volvo cars 2012 - 2022, where he has helped Geely transform Volvo to electric cars. Today he is chair at the board of Polestar, a Geely/Volvo spinoff.
Scania's brand is going down... Here in Finland, many old "scania houses" now bought other brands because scania trucks broke too much and too soon. And also, repair is more costly than in other brands.
Tell my why Volvo was not allowed to own Scania? It was in progress, but EU did not allowed it. Why VW was allowed?
Cant tell you 🤔
Cause Volvo would have full control of the Nordic markets
@@TellurideS13 The Nordic market are very small, so that I not believe. I believe the Germans stopped it. How big aren't Scania,Man and VW trucks, much bigger than Volvo and Scania together
why NO SCANIA in NORTH-AMERICA ???
Good question 😅
You don't get the V8 straight pipe sound in the US, do you get the 16 litre Volvo , that's a beast on straight pipe too
Weight. That is why none of the European vehicles have been successful in North America, we allow longer trucks but have a lower gross weight allowed. However, there is a move coming to bring Scania and their V8 into North America for a trial with support of the US EPA
@@dankinusmc1 The V8 will be phased out anyway in a couple of years
We'll never see those Trucks in North America .
International / Navistar drive in North America :)
@@TruckTropia we don't have those Cabovers
Some miss information there, yes the S770 might be the largest production horse power engine on the market but it isn't the highest torque figures MAN & Volvo both have an engine with a higher torque output. I'm led to believe the engine that'll be used in the future is the MAN one as it's more reliable and more fuel efficient.
No they are not scania have most hp and torque, go look it up 👍
Not from what I've seen, also that's why here in Europe proper heavy haulage is done by Volvo and MAN.
I do t understand why people love the Scania's so much and get offended when you don't agree with them. I'd take a Man or Volvo over a Scania everyday of the week.
@@martinsatchell I'd take a KUB over an A22 or B8R anytime.
@@martinsatchell proper heavy haulege is done in Scandinavia only. Up to 72t. in the rest of europe is just 40t toys and the trucks pulling 70t are in general scania \8/ and some volvos for the poor companies. So you need to do a bit of research. I've been working in the Nordic for 4 years now and I rearly see continental trucks working here.
@@AIexMan 🤣🤣🤣 you should take up comedy as a job! Some people use Scania's but they don't know what they're doing. Volvo and MAN are certainly used for heavy haulage in main land Europe and certainly in the UK. 70T is small talk! For starters were 44t standard over here STGO2 is 80t and STGO3 is 150t and I don't think I've ever seen a STGO3 on a Scania, not saying they couldn't do it just that others do it better
First you always making good content.
Can I get pined please?
Thanks 👍 happy you liked it
Who said Germany lost the war
Is fantastic in 2030 we have 2 brends on trucks, cars and be clon. People is stupid enimal.
Tbh i didnt like Volkswagen taking over Scania.
Volkswagen wants a German company to merge with a Scandinavian company. wich is not done for sure.
I thought Saab owned Scania
The company was Saab-Scania decades ago, but they broke apart and sold Saab as a car maker and kept the solid and profitable Scania trucks business.
And yet i won't touch a man truck. Scania service is awesome as are thier trucks besides the dpf being a service replacement item at a cost of $8000aud and is due between 150,000 and 300,000km
I work in repairs departent at big logicstics company. MAN is good workhose close to MB. One brand you should never tuch is Renault. Piece of garbabe.
@@ralfis1234Does that mean Volvo is garbage as well sincr Renault is using their engines and gearboxes?
@@miloslogic Most problem is not engine or gearbox, problem is electronics. And dashboard doesnt even tell what is is, it just beeps STOP engine.
I know 15 years ago the maxxforce engine came out and I think it almost sucked International
The old 143 V8 was a legend
Electric engines???
It called moving with the time , once upon a time a orange was a fruit , today orange is a phone company in the UK
Intertrashionals are junk. They used to be a decent entry level truck, but they are just trash nowadays.
VAG will own the world one day😂
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Not with the direction they are going now lol.
@@stop_lying_bro that is the point. 💀
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@@JackVac_joeblower no, it isn't.
It is pronounced Folkswagon
Scania should come to The US.
They should!
@@TruckTropia Then I would like to have Kenworth flatcabs here aswell, like these in Australia
Only Scania make V8? I thote and IVECO make V8.
Zadnji Iveco (Fiat) V8 je proizveden 1998 u Eurostar od 17.2 ccm a prvi su proizveli V8 1975 od 330 ps
1975 330 ps 180_190
1976 352 ps 180_190
1978 352 ps t range
1981 381 ps t range
1984 420 ps turbostar
1989 420 ps turbostar
1989 476 ps turbostar
1993 514 ps eurostar
Renault je isto proizvodio V8
Prvo je imao licencu od Man 1967-1979
SM 280 (275ps)
SM 340 (304ps)
15 .0 ccm
Kasnije je preuzeo Berliet i proizvodio sve od njega. 14.9 ccm
1980 R360 (356ps)
1983 R370 (365ps)
1985 R390 (389ps)
1988 R420 (422ps)
R420 se proizvodio do 1992
1990 ubacuje u Ae (Magnum)
Mack sa malim preinakama od 16.4 ccm
1990 AE (magnum) 500 (503ps)
1992 Magnum (Ae) 520 (530ps)
1996 Magnum (Ae) 560 (560ps)
2000 prestaje ubacivanje V8 u magnum .
Iveco Mercedes and MAN make more than A V8 also V10 V12 engines
Selling out Swedish industry. Fy faan
oh scania is ruined then. VAG cars suck
This is bad news
Would it not be absolutely amazing if you cared enough to actually pronounce Scania correctly......
maybe I did it.. half of my followers are from Europe and the other from America, I have therefore chosen an American speaker, hope you could understand the overall message of the video anyway
Heavy advertising.
If vw didn't buy scania it wouldn't have been popular?
Scania and Volvo are the best trucks in Europe since the 70s
@@calchedz oh
@calchedz Not just Europe 😏
@@chaoswarriorbr yeah volvo is in America also
Nonsense