British man dies as Singapore Airlines flight drops 6000ft due to turbulence | Cpt. Chris Hammond
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- A British man who died after severe turbulence on a Singapore Airlines flight has been named as Geoff Kitchen.
Captain Chris Hammond a retired pilot and member of the British Airlines Pilot Association discusses the impacts turbulence can have and how pilots are trained to react.
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he was a very nice man. My wife knew him and is very much gutted.. RIP my condolences.
Sorry For Your Loss X
It's so sad for a person to die. God bless him and his family.
Not being insensitive but we cant live forever. I'm also 73 British, and making ready to fly a Boeing 777 300 ER long haul soon. God gets what God wants. Amen.
Any loss of life is horrible to bear, especially if it is sudden, traumatic, and unexpected. And God heals the broken-hearted so you hardly represent His heart in your comment. @JessieB_
@@JessieB_ sorry but that is a bit insensitive really. It’s great that you’re not afraid to go when your time comes but many people live into their 80s, 90s I’ve even cared for people over 100 so it’s still a tragic loss in my opinion! Just my opinion though.
@@JessieB_ Yeah that insensitive, just because we all go doesn’t mean it’s not sad, especially for him to pass away in this situation, is this how you look at rising knife crime and “unaliving” of young children? We’ve all got to go sometime? Don’t be ridiculous
Turbulence is terrifying.
TRUTH !!! Always strap in - even if seat belts sign is off
Except on the ground when the engines aren't yet started, if the aircraft is fueling so you are on board early then leave the belts off. Even pilots will tell you this is good protocol.
Anybody that completely unbuckles during a flight other than going to the toilet is taking a similar risk as driving without a seat belt. Loosen but do not unbuckle, period.
Cabin crew don't have that option. They are working on board except for take off and landing.
@@sugoidesshosure but they are not seated.
Correct
must have been a rough day for all the people who are afraid of flying.
Talk about stating the obvious!
This is what ppl should be afraid of
I was 70 years old on Saturday in London/Kent and I last flew in 2001 and was so nervous, on arrival, at Tenerife, that I was searched at the Airport due to my suspicious demeanour. 23 years later, heaven only knows how edgy I would be. I only encountered turbulence once in 1973 while travelling to Rimini on The Adriatic Riviera and I flew around 20 times but counted every minute in the air apart from 1979 when I was quite relaxed on an 11-hour flight to Los Angeles.
Even worse for the ones afraid of plummeting to their deaths.
How would wearing a seatbelt stop someone having a heart attack?
It didn’t ‘drop’. It descended to get out of turbulence. 6000ft over around 4.5 minutes is not a drop.
4.5? I just read 3 minutes in one article. I did wonder about the news reporting it as having dropped 6000ft for 3 minutes... seemed a bit bizarre. So it dropped briefly from the turbulence and then the pilots immediately started descending to avoid it?
They make it sound like it nose dived
@@AD-kv9kj In the video, Hammond indicated that this would have been standard procedure after hitting turbulence. i.e. Either climb or descend 6k to get out of the layer of air causing the problem.
The fake news exaggerated the drop and then even brought up climate change as a factor which was quickly dismissed by the excellent pilot getting interviewed. The news reader aught to be ashamed of herself trying to push narratives when someone has passed away!
It dropped as well. That's why people had head injuries because if they weren't wearing seat belts their heads hit the ceiling when the aircraft hit an air pocket. It very much dropped and then it descended.
I keep my seat belt fastened after experiencing just a small drop during turbulence.
I even look for a seat belt in the toilet 🚽
@@lawabiding123women nowadays 🤣
I cant believe he flew out the window, crazy
Ask me? My seat belt fastened during plane "take-off" & "landing"😅
Play safe by fastening the seat belt on during the entire flight as far as practicable.
I hit my head on the overhead baggage holders one time when the plane just dropped mid-flight on a flight to brazil, the lights went on and off, i hope i dont experience that again.
You mean off and back on?
If you wear your seatbelt then the chances are very low.
Sorry for him,my condolences his family
🙏🙏
It dropped 150ft or so. The 6000ft looks like a normal descent post event
Source?
@@BRKS1999Legend has it it came from ancient China in ancient times. Beyond the majestic mountains and through the gate of heaven. I espied a land with far visions of the days ahead for mankind and. I was joined by three monks, one was blind the other was deaf and the third was paraplegic. They approach my horse and carriage and the did declare of a truth, the source thou seekers abideth between the two shoulders of Ben Lomonds steep sides upon the Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond.
@@BRKS1999 In the video, Hammond indicated that this would have been standard procedure after hitting turbulence.
Even a supposedly reputable journalistic source like the times these days resorts to hype bombastic speech like “DROPPED 6000 FT!” to get some cheap easy hits…as if the fkn thing suddenly nosedived into the centre of the earth lol
@@alexandercarder2281 An Eagle only flies as high or low as it has to, to catch its prey..
I’ve been on a plane which dropped altitude suddenly - it’s very, very unpleasant - very sad to hear of a fatality - but it just goes to show that you should always keep your belt fastened.
What for the whole journey??.
@@talkshitko9234Yes.
Yes. That's why you are advised, as ex crew member. Rare, but just shows what can happen
@@talkshitko9234do you take the seatbelt off in your car in the middle of a journey? If you are seated on a plane then your should be wearing your seatbelt at *ALL* times for this reason.
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 you ever flown long haul.I ride motorbikes and cars .No seat belt on bikes
Once a plane is in the air the pilot tells you tobtake your belt off
I was 70 years old on Saturday in London/Kent and I last flew in 2001 and was so nervous, on arrival, at Tenerife, that I was searched at the Airport due to my suspicious demeanour. 23 years later, heaven only knows how edgy I would be. I only encountered turbulence once in 1973 while travelling to Rimini on The Adriatic Riviera and I flew around 20 times but counted every minute in the air apart from 1979 when I was quite relaxed on an 11-hour flight to Los Angeles.
Very sad for this gentleman to pass away in those circumstances.
My heart goes out to the family and friends of Geoff Kitchen. Also to all involved/injured too. ❤️
What does that actually mean? Will you remove your heart and send it out to them? No. It's some meaningless words. Keep it real, nobody actually gives a 🎉
He died of a heart attack !
A heart attack is unavoidable.
@@roselw2239It isn't. Ask your heart surgeon.
Death chooses no place when its time comes
What a horrific nightmare
I’m flying to the uk 🇬🇧 in a couple months and I will be keeping my seatbelt on. My condolences to the family of this man
I was waiting for it, 6.45 minutes in and the “climate change” malarkey cropped up and was quickly shut down by the pilot! It’s called weather and has been happening for millions of years! Very unfortunate for the passengers and crew, hopefully the injured will recover quickly.
Yes ... noticed ! 🙄
And so stopped watching at that point !
Yeah I was waiting for that. Good to see that the pilot didn't take the bait.
Bbc..what else from them?!!! Climate change hahah.
This is a bbc channel too as far as I know..
Imagine how scared youd be to get your return flight :(
Not really... unlikely to happen again
Cebu Pacific from Manila to Bali has a strong ( not severe) turbulence on 16 March 2024 before getting to Bali, it was scary and it was 321.. small plane . Passengers were shouting, scary..I don't want it for my enemy even
So very very sad.
Sorry about the sad news,condolence to all his families,and his soul rest in peace.
Imagine being in the toilet when that happened ...
Well, you'd be _on_ the toilet, but probably _in_ it afterwards...
A man died please show some respect
@@supremepc6298 Grow up thosands die every second
@@supremepc6298I believe I can fly
I was on the toilet at home exactly when this happened. I had a poo
Rest in peace ❤
He was probably only coming back from his holiday and now he's dead
He was on his way to Singapore....so no, he never even got there.
It is a wonderful beautiful place though extremely expensive.
Thanks I appreciated this
I wonder how long it takes to drop 2 kms down?
So many comments about seat belts. Do we even know, for certain, that this poor chap didn’t have his seatbelt on? Personally I always have my seatbelt fastened when I am seated - but I’m not sure it would prevent a heart attack, though. RIP to the guy and condolences to his wife and family.
Very tragic ..! 😢
Good commentary and good advice 👍
I’ve never heard of anything like this before, but I guess the sheer terror of the thing would induce a heart attack. So yes!, I can understand that very much ! Terrible!
I've been on flights with really bad turbulence
I’ve taken that flight many times back in 1998-99 and I’d estimate on 50% of those flights we had that over the same airspace. We had to land a couple of times cos of passenger injuries including a stewardess with a broken leg. They always warn and ppl keep their belts on.
God bless you 🙏
Barely been flying 100 years and they reckon turbulence is down to global warming
They always have to slip it in there for their masters.
Wasn't a Boeing was it.
It's like not wearing a seatbelt on a coach, if that is what you choose then expect death is more likely.
lol daft comment since coaches don’t have seatbelts, not the ones I’ve been on anyway! You wear your seatbelt for take off and landing, seatbelt sign comes on to remove seatbelt - very standard practice in all flights. Seatbelt sign comes back on for extreme turbulence, it didn’t in this case as far as I’m aware, hence them mentioning air stewardess’ meals going everywhere from their trolleys, all were unprepared. Hardly the victims fault!
@@LauraBidingCitizen you should always just keep your seatbelt on when your sat down though, i do, for this exact reason, he literally says in the interview that this is the advice given on airlines. The seatbelt comes on to tell you you must return to your seat more than putting seatbelt on.
@@CreativeCache101 I don’t necessarily disagree, but if airlines advice was to keep your seatbelt on, why do they announce it’s fine to undo to your seatbelt once you’re in the air? That seems incredibly backwards to me.
@@LauraBidingCitizen they say your free to move around the cabin, obviously when your not they expect you to keep your seat belt on but it's honestly always amazed me how happily people will just not wear a seat belt if they think they can, despite it being for their own safety.
Great I fly in 2 months, already hate flying.. but dropping 6k feet is insane! Must’ve felt awful.
6000ft over a minute and a half would just feel like a descent and not like falling
The plane dropped 100-150 feet then the pilot took the plane in a controlled descent another 6000ft over 5 mins.
You'll be fine, my man. Things like this are a rarity. You're much more likely to have an accident on the car journey to the airport.
I fly in two days. I used to be terrified but I'm okay now. A long haul flight from UK to US helped. Also on the way back to the UK, it was a very late flight and snowing, and the pilot said "we'll likely experience around 5 hours of turbulence due to the cold and winds over the Atlantic". I got so bored of the turbulence and shaking it basically dissipated all my fear and I've been mostly okay since.
@@whiskii Thanks dude, I used to fly a lot but I guess I’ve just developed a recent irrational fear In my later years haha
i fly in 2 days
This aircraft did not fall 6000 feet. Data shows it actually went up then down only 300 to 400 feet after which it descended by pilots command to a lower altitude.
RIP
I can remember an incident when flying back to Skopje Airport. We were on a civilian, passenger aircraft, and on the way back from leave.
We were thousands of feet up, and nothing could be seen below us when i looked out of the window. We suddenly hit bad turbulence, and the aircraft dropped dramatically. People flew out of their seats and hit their heads. Stewardesses flew in the air. I was lucky, I had my seat belt on.
When I looked out of the window, I could see the sea below us. We had dropped thousands of feet in an instant. It was a strange feeling when the engines seemed to go silent as we dropped like a brick. Our was a definite drop and not a descent.
The deviation caused by the turbulence was about 400ft, followed by a controlled 6000ft descent to get out of the weather, so the overdramatised 'we know the plane dropped 6000ft' was intentional after the turbulence.
Now pilots cant hit me with that nonsense 'no-one has ever died from turbulence'.
As far as we know, no one who is wearing a seatbelt has, even now.
@@peteconrad2077Can’t put a seatbelt on when it’s sudden.
He died of a heart attack.
@@LauraBidingCitizen if you are seated on an aircraft you should be wearing your seatbelt. The seatbelt sign going off does not mean undo your seatbelt and sit sit in your seat, it means you are free to get up and move around the plane. On shorthaul go to the toilet and on a long haul maybe stretch your legs. On ret5to your seat you put the seatbelt back on *always*
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 and yet 70%+ of the passengers usually unclip their seatbelt as soon as it goes off... So stating what should happen is very different from reality.
Rip geoff
So 200 passengers need to be strapped in when people need to get food or go to the toilet
When its your time to go its goodbye.
Unless you wear a seatbelt.
I can't understand why the host try to associate this turbulence with climate change. From the narrative it seems quite obvious that it is an unexpected phenomenon.
Normal turbulence and clear air turbulence happens very very often. It doesnt make the news normally. Only did this time because of the 73 year old gent.
Quickly shut down by the pilot though. Didn't take the bait.
The frequency and severity of clean air turbulence can be affected by warmer air temperatures, it’s a demonstrable fact that there is rougher air in several regions because of a temperature increase over the past 40 years.
www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~williams/publications/nclimate1866.pdf
agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/2017GL074618
@@zarovich9397 Yet the pilot said that these sorts of incidents are decreasing, not increasing. So is that down to better tech and detection etc?
I did that flight the day before, everything was calm then.
🥱
@@philauguste7310 Tired?
Thats weather for you it doesn’t stay the same does it?
Still havnt heard how he died or how a seatbelt would have prevented it,everybody in the media seems so focused on the seatbelts.
His head hit the cabin roof and broke his neck.
@G2020- Where did you get that information?
Heard that he suffered a heart attack
Seat belts stop you bouncing around the cabin which is almost exclusively the source of injury in turbulence. They’re very effective.
@@G2020- that’s NOT what happened
Good example of how the media sensationalise everything. The 6000ft drop was in mins and part of standard procedure. Wondered how long it would take for climate change to be raised 🤦🏻♂️ he shoots that down immediately by saying instances of turbulence are becoming less😂
Was he the only one to die???
Must have been a very frightening experience for all those passengers travelling in the aeroplane , including pilots and staff . Condolences to the family of the man that died in the aeroplane .
I don't 7nderstand the journalists speculating?
Stop talking garbage about wearing seat belts all the time
A freak weather event is the least likely scenario, surely? Experienced passenger flyers will tell you they are used to being warned that turbulence is coming and get themselves buckled up. Not saying it was totally impossible, but on that scale? . . . No warnings from the tech? No chance of pilot error? Seems unlikely to me?
Huge hat tip to the pilots.
What, the pilots who flew straight through an area of convective weather, when most other aircraft in the vicinity had been flying around it for the previous couple of hours?
There was extensive weather in the area. The question is how they came to fly through it. Unfortunate decision? Improper monitoring? I’m assuming their weather radar was on (it would at least have to be functioning to have dispatched in the first place) but whether they were paying sufficient attention to it or not will need to be ascertained in the inevitable enquiry.
I’d imagine they’ll say it was clear air turbulence, which is very difficult to avoid without reports from other aircraft or very accurate forecasting, but pretty much everyone else in the same airspace were dodging the tops of CBs. (Cumulonimbus clouds, which are large, convective clouds with a whole load of vertical energy.)
Thank God the global economic fundamentals are predictably stable.
what plane were they flying in?
Singapure
Boeing 777-300
The plane didn't "drop" 6000 ft. The 6000 ft descent was a controlled descent to a new flight level as part of the flight path to Bangkok. This was after the turbulence event. It is important to do fact checking and not report false information. Will you post a video to apologise for providing false information?
Note: you should use the word “aboard” in your thumbnail rather than “onboard”.
Was there another Boing event?
No severe turbulence
It doesn't sound like the aircraft bounced.
No, the door stayed on this time.
I really sorry for the man’s family and the people but the man didn’t derisive this
😢😢😢
So sorry for this sad news thoughts go out to Geoffs family
I had a dream today about an angel admonished me that we should avoid travelling on air on the time between Friday when the sun sets and the time when the sun sets on Saturday. The Lord is coming.
Did he get d benz
He wasn’t a whistleblower was he ?
For god's sake, turbulence happens a lot on planes we have 1000s of flights everyday but RIP to the bloke
Well just goes without saying more reasons you won’t get me on a plane any time soon
Ok
Trying to push climate change again...he shuts that down beautifully. Condolences to the victims family.
Why are you deleting my non offensive comments?
Well done to the pilot being interviewed who was having none of it when climate change was being pushed. Absolute nonsense trying to associate a tragedy with it. It's just bad weather and it's been happening for hundreds of years.
He’s wrong. Flat wring. There are studies with significant evidence ti show it’s getting worse. I used to know a Chris and he’s not flown for some years after reaching retirement age. He also spent his last years in Europe where clear air turbulence is less common.
That's not what is being suggested. She was referring to a study that has found that instances of turbulence are becoming more frequent (which would make sense with changing weather patterns etc). He didn't listen to the question properly
As ex cabin crew, turbulence was a common occurrence. Clear air turbulence rare, but can happen. Nothing to do with climate change
@@Dee_Lucas I don't know the data on it, as I haven't personally read the article. I would encourage you to read the report yourself. Just clarifying a misunderstanding 👍
@@Dee_Lucas CAT isn’t rare. It’s arguably the most common turbulence.
Lots of people don't realise what they're actually doing when they fly. You're in a aluminium or carbon fibre tube hurtling through the troposphere & stratosphere at 500mph. I never wait for the captain to illuminated the seatbelt signs. Mine is always on unless I'm going to the toilet or stretching my legs for 5 mins on a long haul flight.
This has brought to my mind the rogue waves that were once thought to be myths and exaggerations but turned out to 💯 true. This could be a new type of turbulence which could be called Rogue turbulence or rogue winds, similar to rogue waves in that they appear suddenly and without warning but are relatively rare freak events.
Its not like rogue waves. Normal turbulence and clear air turbulence happens very very often. It doesnt make the news normally. Only did this time because of the 73 year old gent.
Perfect order in the pilot's room on the right as we look, a chaotic mess on the bookshelf to the left, fascinating@@
And another reason i dont fly commercially
What because one person in 2 billion who’ve flown since Covid has died. Try logic for a change.
Well if it isn’t Jim McDonald..
What, this doesn't happen on private jets?!
If it’s Boeing I ain’t going!
You could have interviewed anyone and got same info.
It can happen suddenly, it was serious, I don’t think report will come out to soon, we had bad weather
No, you couldn't have interviewed anyone and got same info.
Try interviewing Madonna about it.
why do I feel like this guy was killed off, and this is the cover story
Because you watch too much tv, smoke too much bud or spend too much time on YT?
Lots of strange things happening like this recently.
This was a case of clear air turbulence which could happen anytime anywhere. This case is not strange just very unfortunate for the people on that plane.
Give us all a break from the incessant and apparently irresistable "climate change" references. It is NOT responsible for everything that happens in this world. It is called weather and, this might surprise you, it can change suddenly.
Terrible choice of thumbnail jeez
I presume there will be cctv?
To me, partly global warming occured minor nor severe air turbulence.Anyway,trust & salute the SIA pilots.
So he diedvof a heartattack, not turbulence
Cause and effect dude. Not effect then cause.
'if you're in your seat keep your seat belt fastened', not heard that one before.
CAT, it ain't new, neither are the limits of stupidity.
Climate change what utter dross 😅😅😅😅
Just to add, the guy that sadly died had a heart attack, as opposed to being killed by injuries directly caused by the turbulence. Just as tragic, of course 😢
Makes perfect sense. I was 70 years old on Saturday in London/Kent and I last flew in 2001 and was so nervous, on arrival, at Tenerife, that I was searched at the Airport due to my suspicious demeanour. 23 years later, heaven only knows how edgy I would be. I only encountered turbulence once in 1973 while travelling to Rimini on The Adriatic Riviera and I flew around 20 times but counted every minute in the air apart from 1979 when I was quite relaxed on an 11-hour flight to Los Angeles.
Mark White GBNews reporter explained on this particular Boeing aircraft the radar settings care different .
The cause is turbulence but it is a manufacturer's problem.
GBNews???? If you believe anything on there your nuts
Nonsense. RADAR cannot spot clear air turbulence.
No, it happens to every type of commercial aircraft. Nothing to do with Boeing. GBNews is baiting you.
Is this the intelligence of GB news reporters and listeners?? No radar can 'see' clear air turbulence ahead. It can happen suddenly anywhere at any time and at any altitude. When it's near the ground/runway it's called wind shear.
@@kevanmachan9893
Wrong! Thats the BBC.
Does suspicious come into it
No
@@liamtimms777 I say yes , because there is a lot of channels posting and they don’t normally for one death,
No
@@janlittle2148 your opinion is fine too
Clunk click every trip!
That thumbnail is unhinged
Gas masks to fall down 😂
No, I need turbulence to give me a 5 min warning. I am suing turbulence. I'm gonna cancel it, in fact. Done. It's cancelled.
bro thought he was funny making this comment 😐
@@mrfixit9538 You clearly don't know what satirical means, do you?
No Boeing, please 😅
Boeing didn't cause the turbulence. Weather did. Plane survived the turbulence, only passenger to die died of a heart attack. Airbus planes experience turbulence, too. Duh :)
@@sugoidessho Of course it was nothing to do with a plane😅
If its Boeing I aint going
Yes, you're absolutely right. Only Boeing aircraft experience severe turbulence but somehow miraculously survive it. Of course, Airbus aircraft never experience turbulence. They have the ability to 'see' clear air turbulence ahead even though no such technology exists 😀