Small but interesting detail: Linda McMahon, former CEO of the WWE, serves on Trump's cabinet (as Administrator of the Small Business Administration, but still!)
You know... this means his ads should just be him elbow dropping on his opponents. Clearly the political climate isn’t that awesome brand of stupid yet, and I’m disappointed.
That is no small detail. Small businesses are the heart of the American economy. However, many of them are increasingly operating under the guise of this Kayfabe mechanism. Its tRAGIC ACTUALLY.
"In a theater, it happened that a fire started offstage. The clown came out to tell the audience. They thought it was a joke and applauded. He told them again, and they became still more hilarious. This is the way, I supposed, that the world will be destroyed-amid the universal hilarity of wits and wags who think it is all a joke."
Yea it's really just Wisecrack pulling back the curtain and exposing the truth of the things that effect our reality. The most compelling or popular individuals become kayfabe whether intentional or not. Youve branded yourself as something and it's brought you fame and fortune. It's human nature to continue to do whats working for you and it's our nature as viewers to want to believe it's all real.
Another example of Kayfabe: Drake. "Started at the bottom now we here." In reality, he lived in Canada, his mom was a teacher, and he was a child actor for a local show.
That's an interesting interpretation Wisecrack. But it's also terrifying because fans of wrestling do know it's all play - only pretend they don't. But people all around the world who watch these political narratives do not truly know it's a show - they even make their voting decisions strongly influenced by those media narratives. This is scary and it makes one question the worth of today's democracy.
Are you sure about this? How many Evangelicals rationalized their support of Trump because they thought that they could see through the kayfabe of his 'p*ssy grabbing' talk, but that the real man was going to stand up for Christians? How many of his friends in the entertainment industry thought that his 'real talk' bluster was just a show and that he would support gay rights? Or the women who voted him in, who thought that his misogyny against Clinton et al was just a show? They all thought they could see through to the 'real' Trump. They claim to be able to see through the show. I think they know it's fake. I think they'd rather have a liar who is unabashed, rather than a liar who puts on the cloak of morality.
but, how can we know that? we don't get statistically valid info outside media. papers and studies sometimes helps, but journals sometimes are not better than media in their selection bias. The last surveys showed that most people don't fall into the 2 big insane group that they insist to be the only ones. so believing that people are strongly influenced by media is just another part of the keyfabe.
Democracy couldn't work in the present world even if all politicians weren't whores to big business because the average person isn't qualified to decide what's good for them, let alone an entire country.
The answer to "why not?" is that Kayfabe prevents the development of culture - it pauses real culture while culture moves into circular narratives. Kayfabe is an insular bubble - much like a movie. There are actors, scripts, everything is *controlled*. Kayfabe is profoundly totalitarian. If you're inside a Kayfabe bubble and you behave outside of your role you're shunned. Anyone who cares about the real, let's say ecological destruction for example, has to build a narrative around ecological destruction that competes with other narratives for attention. There's no such thing as *trumping* Kayfabe with more important reality since Kayfabe is entertainment. Fukuyama's "End of History" describes our modern culture - the idea that nothing matters. But only privileged deluded monsters can possibly believe that nothing matters. Humanity is on schedule to become extinct by the 22nd century. It DOES matter whether or not humanity exists in the 22nd century. *Even if* we decide to give up on saving humanity and become resigned to our own extinction, which is an insane and pointless proposition, what humanity is in the 21st century still matters. Wrestlers get inside their totalitarian ring, play with each other, and make up stories. You know what that sounds like? *Children*. Kayfabe is infantile culture that exists when humanity becomes so pathetic that it gives up on any kind of real progress within reality itself.
I agree but not at all, i mean entretainment its natural at inteligent beings i though, if keyfabe is just for entertainment dosent matter i mean there is more people on planet still(thanks god, just an expression i dont believe in god anyway lul); than consider WWE as fake ass ridicolous show for kiddos, and thats the point of kayfabe its just for fun and any more; the real problem here is when we saw kayfabe in polittics, then the media, its like we are trying to lose all the formality and normal sense to get all the attention or making the serious shit as show just for get adience, thats dissgusting, this is not defintly a way to follow, we had to change our vision of the future, we need to keep it formal and bored when we had to, and stop trying to consume the fucking kayfabes in our news, serious shows and just keep it on entretainment. P.D. Im sorry about my terrible grammar im from México and really like to debate with smart people, what do you think about my though tho, salute you
I would add that you correctly describe Richard Dawkins' use of a Meme (thoigh I'm not referring to a clip that becomes temporarily popular). I added before reading your comment: Between Acting in general, things such as 'Pro' Wrestling and Soap Operas, no wonder news and politics are falling in line. Add video games (single point of goal/accomplishment) and sports into that mix. Oh, don't forget lowering the voting age to anyone who can comment or share content and you have the makings for the Idiocracy movie we are in. Most people are annoyed with philosophy or hate people that point out inconsistencies (like in movies) because they don't want the veil broken. And why then is Nihilism and Post Modernism so popular?? Derp
Also, kayfabe explains how everyone behaves at work - as though they care about their jobs and are excited about their work, but are all just putting on a show to one degree or another.
I get the point you're making, but I don't think organised religions allowed a whole lot of "choosing" your own reality if you chose one outside the parameters of their leaders.
I agree somewhat. Religion didn't allow individuals to choose their realities, but rather communities to. If your whole town is of one religion and goes to one church, then the claims made there are true for you. Now people are still stuck with their communities, but it's much more online than in actual proximity. I guess this is the end result of identity politics, every identifying group chooses their own narrative of the world. Obviously the right wing is much more detached from reality, considering their cultish refusal to accept any narrative where they aren't the heroes, but this video shows how the Democrats in media use this very fact for profit, inviting loons on so they can debate with them, as if the outcome matters.
Really good point if you consider points made about humans in books like "sapiens", where a deciding factor in the rise of Europe was the desire to evaluate the world through a lens other than the "truth" provided by Christianity. The resulting exploration and expansion of knowledge allowed a pretty small sub population to basically write the rules for 500 year's. Don't stop pushing for better answers, kids
nzz.ch just had an article about Neil Postman (Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business) ... if you like to extend your existential crisis by print.
Not really tbh, as far as the Rick Ross thing is concerned almost all rappers are like this now and it’s kind of accepted by fans even if they’re aware said artist is embellishing (to say the least). As long as it remains in places of entertainment instead of the political world, it is perfectly fine
I would point out that perhaps, in a society that institutionalizes and accepts lies and lying in its culture (santa, easter bunny,democracy,hard work=equal rewards), produces a certain type of people that see lying and taking advantage of others in general, as how the world "really works". And that culture has been fostered to service capitalism and industry. It favors manipulators that are self-serving, short-sighted, and uncaring of their actions and consequences. ...just sayin'.
your 'hard work=equal rewards' really cracked me up :D What bothers me sometimes is not the fact that those people, that step over others, accept this as their truth of the world, but rather that they chose to do so counsciously. I just don't get how people can just swallow all this guilt and shame inside and pretend it's cool. Also, regarding the video: Politicians should be judged based on their actions rather than their words. In today's time words are way to damn weak ...
@PrisonCipher trolling? who prefers lie over truth? The ones that hurt you did .. thats okay but you haveto understand they were also just traumatized by quite afew things. People are good and highliestest social by /in their nature and thats no Cliché, its a Trueism. Not civility is the illusion, silly. Sillivity lol Ronaldmc donald was forced to fake that smiledance. _
I dont think it's a society thing, we always believed in lies, and we always manipulated our neighbours for our own gain. I think it's more about real feelings that comes from evolution, than a society thing. We are greedy, selfish by nature, because in times of scarcity, greed is what makes us survive, the ones who decides to not share their prey are the ones who arent going to starve.
"And so is GOD.....? WOW.... I'm so ready for you to come back, destroy this world, make the NEW EARTH and the NEW JERUSALEM and spend eternity in happiness. Fuck fuck fuck this world is run by evil GODLESS PEDOPHILES.
Wisecrack- I can't believe you had to say that. I thought you'd at least respect spirituality even if you can't say the same for organized religion. All I can now say is, may God bless your souls.
In other words it's like the 10 year old me believing I'm a wrestler and playing around with my friends and everything is fun until someone breaks an arm
The success of Kayfabe in realms like government is terrifying. No matter what fictional characters are being portrayed, the government are still guys with guns who decide who gets locked in cages. It does win because people see feelings as more reliable than facts. And that's not a new thing. It's just more progress in a direction western society has been moving since World War I. Prior to WWI, science and reason were seen as purely good, incapable of being used for harm. Then with WWI people saw mustard gas, tanks, and suffering on a huge scale backed by science and technology. People are terrible at dealing with anything that has both good and bad in it, they want binary relationships because it takes less mental energy to think about. And as the 20th century continued, there were more and more tragedies laid at the feet of science, pushing more people to throw up their hands and say 'might as well just go with what feels right since theres no guarantee what the scientists say is good'. Eugenics, thalidomide, lobotomies, communism, racism, sexism, homophobia, leaded gasoline, all of these things had scientific authorities willing to cut corners and make claims not supported by actual science, and they torpedoed the reputation of science for the average person. We're now so deeply entrenched in anti-intellectualism that it's basically the air we breathe. When we see a TV show, for instance, we know the super smart guy is the villain. We know any smart protagonist will be socially inept, prone to hubris, and lead the other heroes into danger, needing to be saved by a gun-toting musclebound hero who follows their heart. These aren't how they argue things work, they're as basic as gravity and considered no more significant statements than having the characters breathe air. Intellectuals are cold, unloving, arrogant, disconnected, socially inept, and dangerous. They're not how you want to live your life or how you want your kids to be. So it should be no surprise that people don't want facts. They want feelings. And as things get worse, they will double and triple down on feelings, insisting they simply haven't gone far enough in eradicating the influence of reason.
+Dustin Rodriguez "The success of Kayfabe in realms like government is terrifying. No matter what fictional characters are being portrayed, the government are still guys with guns who decide who gets locked in cages. It does win because people see feelings as more reliable than facts. And that's not a new thing. It's just more progress in a direction western society has been moving since World War I. Prior to WWI, science and reason were seen as purely good, incapable of being used for harm. Then with WWI people saw mustard gas, tanks, and suffering on a huge scale backed by science and technology. People are terrible at dealing with anything that has both good and bad in it, they want binary relationships because it takes less mental energy to think about. " If facts were enough we wouldn't have had two World Wars that made no sense to even begin with. We went one way and we got the inquisition. We went the other way and we got teh World Wars (far worse then the Inquisition ever was mind you). It's not so much ignorace or "anti-intellectualism" it's the matter fo an old time rule: everything changes. It's a matter of who plays their cards right and get's the bigger share when all is said and done. "When we see a TV show, for instance, we know the super smart guy is the villain. We know any smart protagonist will be socially inept, prone to hubris, and lead the other heroes into danger, needing to be saved by a gun-toting musclebound hero who follows their heart. These aren't how they argue things work, they're as basic as gravity and considered no more significant statements than having the characters breathe air. Intellectuals are cold, unloving, arrogant, disconnected, socially inept, and dangerous. " I'm not sure if you were trying to critique this or are just spouting something that's just blatantly true. "They're not how you want to live your life or how you want your kids to be. So it should be no surprise that people don't want facts. They want feelings. And as things get worse, they will double and triple down on feelings, insisting they simply haven't gone far enough in eradicating the influence of reason." Makes we wonder why you think that things like science and intellectualis are inherently true and why it SHOULD be since no matter what you say it's the same argument everybody else used.
You ask towards the end what the problem with Kayfabe is, and I can think of two problems....1) With the example of Rick Rossi, it creates an unrealistic picture of how someone becomes successful, leading people to waste their time pursuing goals that may land them in prison, rather than pursuing realistic goals like education. 2) With CNN and Trump/Hillary, this is creating extreme division in society, with friends and family not talking to each other, and if it was real it might be worth it, but if it's a Kayfabe they are promoting division and possibly violence for the fun of it! Note both the examples given hinge on the person being a Mark.
The problem with kayfabe in politics is that their lines and emotions might be faked, but the policies are real. Donald Trump for example, it doesn't matter if he's faking his hatred for undocumented latino immigrants, his policies are harming them. “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
Not to mention that the rest of the world does not buy into this, and when your leader starts insulting other countries, we don't see the wink behind the public backs, we see an act of war and this will end badly for everyone.
I'm so happy you covered this Wisecrack, I've been trying to explain this to people for years how it all relates back to wrestling. How the media can twist and turn anything to fit it's narrative, how Colin Kapernack's kneiling in protest of black people being shot got twisted into something against the military. The American people are being kayfabed, worked... I only wish you had brought up the history that prowrestling before it became clear in the 80s that it was Entertainment, up until that point it was an industry secret. People genuinely thought guys like Bruno Sammartino were legit back in the day, and the whole business was a Carny Conjob! And what do you call the victims of a conjob? Marks. In the right manipulative hands, this concept of Kayfabing reality is a real dangerous weapon and more people need to be smarten up about it.
@Dudeistbelieve Yo, you know more about this? I'm....I'm fascinated. I really want to know more about this and talk with someone who knows more, but I don't know anything about pro-wrestling. Do you have any sources? Any good videos to watch, movies, books, articles, etc? I'm serious.
The media didnt twisted anything in that scenario... People understand cops shooting innocent black people is a false narrative. Statistics and facts show as much. Politicising a non political game for promoting a false narrative is will anger people.
No wonder the world is going to shit. We need to reverse this trend and value evidence and reason above emotion if we want humanity to last more than a couple more centuries
Well said. I'm on your page. The question is "how". In a democratic society where corporations are free to capitalize on consumers' emotions to profit, they will always continue to do so, and people will continue to consume entertainment like a drug. How do we break this new mass drug addiction? Install another drug in its place? Neurological tampering? There needs to be an alternative which is seemingly more appealing to the addicts, which means it needs to resonate emotionally.
'the world'. in this video, in your comment, everywhere. your country is not "the world"... you're gonna tell me you know that, you're not stupid, but still, listen to yourself : you're constantly overusing the word 'world'
@I Control My Fate Kanye is taking part in Kayfabe. And everything is turning into Kayfabe. But the scary part is, the audience is starting to forget it's an act for entertainment. Reality and facts don't matter anymore.
This video is sooo american. Watching it from europe feels very exotic. EDIT : For everybody wanting to say or saying in the previous comment that it's not the case in Europe. I am talking about the way the video is AND NOT KAYFABE! (edit made 2 days after the original comment)
I would not say keyfabe does not exist at all in Europe but it is true that it is less developed, or at least politics is treated in a way less "spectacular' way in the media that in the US
I think one of the things that gets lost when talking about the Kanye “best videos of all time” controversy is that Kanye was right. If you go watch Taylor’s “You Belong With Me” video, it’s cliché, with Taylor playing a nerdy girl next door who just wants to be noticed by the cute boy with the girlfriend who’s mean to him. Maybe it was well directed, shot, and produced, but as a video it’s still pretty weak. On the other hand, the Beyoncé video he’s talking about, “Single Ladies,” is iconic. I think the reason it wasn’t awarded “Best Female Video of the Year” was because it was awarded “Best Video of the Year,” which supersedes the male and female categories, and it’s wrong to award a video for being the best twice. However, I can understand why Kanye in the moment might be outraged at what looks like a black performer who made something original with artistic merit being snubbed for a cute white girl with a hackneyed suburban fantasy. Of course, the right thing to do would’ve been to complain /after/ the ceremony, but this is Kanye after all...
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Squirm - what would've happened if Taylor did the same to Kanye that night? Maybe he is right. But what he exhibited that night is 100 percent jackassery.
@@sarath431 Yes - even Obama remarked "he's a jackass" off the record during a CNBC interview in footage that was later released (I think by Gawker) He didn't do the morally right thing, but he was correct. Also, my name is Squim, but you're not the first person to make that mistake. I guess because the humps in m's look kind of like r's a lot of people tend to misread it. Makes me squirm a little every time someone makes that mistake though, since "squirm" is such an uncomfortable word
@@sammosaurusrex - sorry mate. It's auto correct in my phone. Sorry for that. Yes, Beyonce had the better video. But Kanye's stunt that night makes him look like a narcissist. I read an article which stated that Beyonce felt offended by that. As of being right or wrong, it depends on the person. Personally I'm on the middle.
How old was Taylor Swift when that happened? Barely 20? And Beyoncé was 28? Kanye was 32 and acting like it matters lmao they all getting paid no matter what, dude is a child.
Gage Baumgard does that mean if wrestling can get to a point of not pretending it’s 100% real, that politics can change too? Why did wrestling stop being so ‘serious’ btw?
@@casualcommenter9730 So it's kind of a weird story. A handful of guys backstage in WWE (then WWF) had a clique - appropriately nicknamed "The Klique" and they would typically push people around backstage. Two guys left for a bigger contract with rival promotion WCW, and WCW tried to heavily imply without stating that these new guys in WCW are the same characters that just disappeared from WWF's TV show. This gave WCW a TON of ratings, but they ran into a small problem: they were right on the edge of breaking the law. One lawsuit from WWF later, and WCW's writers realized that they couldn't claim that these "Outsiders" were from a rival promotion anymore. However, they did notice that they were making a TON of money by playing around with the "What's real and what's not?" angle. Cue the WCW writers running the concept of breaking the fourth wall into the ground, but before they went too far WWF realized that there's big money in playing with this idea as well. They both overdid it, but WCW overdid it the worst. With two of the biggest international wrestling promotions basically saying "nah bro it's all a scripted TV show," there wasn't much use in others trying to put the cat back into the bag.
Uhhh... yes, that's the point of Kayfabe. Pretending it's real and never admitting it isn't, even up to the last moment. It doesn't "come from a time," that's exactly what it always has been. You're not doing Kayfabe if you're not insisting on something being real even though it obviously isn't.
If you know, you know: When you no longer interact ( trough: speech, physical or thought) you only observe, then you realise that you are one with everything around you, and that everything around you are one with you. That we are like a drop of water in ocean, we might be at a different place with different surroundings but we are still part of the same unity. The waves are created by us, not by me. There is no me. Once you go trough the rabbit hole and comes to this realisation- you dissolve and achieve super-awareness. At this point you understand that everything that exists, exist in the present, the exact moment where space and time meets. Space being horizontal - Time being vertical. For most this will sound abstract, non logical and in the end not understandable, but for those off you out there that do understand: keep walking the path. If you know, you know
This reminds me of the idea of Post-Truth that was presented at the end of 2016. We reached a point where the facts seem to be completely irrelevant in favor of feelings. And the problem is, those who are most buying into the narrative of our current political system, are the same people who are in so many ways being harmed by said political system. I guess one thing that needs to be considered is: who does this idea of kayfabe benefit? The big politicians, the CEO's of companies who have an audience tuning in for entertainment, etc. etc., and it always happens to the detriment of someone. As we're seeing right now, to the detriment of minorities and vulnerable communities. I would have been interested in seeing more analysis on the fallout of this concept in this video.
@@xempire103 true, yes. But I do think there are ways to go about this without being partisan if that's the concern. As it stands, the politics of this are undermined. True, the seeming irrelevance of truth is disturbing in and of itself, but its effects go beyond existential crises and into the realm of it can actually kill people. In a video that is primarily about politics, it seems that avoiding the direct consequences of politics is a shortcoming.
@@ShinGarugamesh Just no. I hate this argument because it just isn't true. Its hard for people to rise out of poverty when they can't even vote (tons of voter suppression) and many of there schools are terribly underfunded. While yes it is technically possible to rise up op out of poverty and many have done it, it shouldn't have to take a super human effort to do that. There's a difference between handouts and getting them on en even playing field with better schools and actually being able to vote for starters.
@@skateisdestiny So the point your making is even though there is this fake reality there are two consequences. 1. People fall victim to this and lose sense of whats actually real 2.People are benefiting of of these fake reality's. People in popular culture are benefiting from these reality's but so are the politicians, so is the conclusion your trying to draw is are both parties benefiting from this just one and who what is effecting either way?
I remember back in the 70s there were kids who would wail on you if you even modestly suggested that their favorite pro wrestling stars were not dead serious and absolutely real. Being a smart kid, I instinctively knew that what I was seeing on the screen was a con job. It was frustrating not being able to convince other people that they where being tricked and I remember feeling very alone. Fast forward to modern times and experiencing a lot of those same feelings. People want so badly to believe in the narrative that fits their particular view of the world that they will go to great lengths to defend even outrageous fantasy. As we have seen some will even resort to violence. One of the greatest cons of pro wrestling is that they eventually convinced the public that it was OK to play along with the con and just enjoy it as entertainment. Let’s hope that politicians using those same tools don’t similarly convince us that it’s OK to allow this horror show to become the new normal for the way we run our country.
Patton Oswalt spoke about this in a standup a few years ago. Reality has become overwhelmingly invaded by fiction and in doing so, fiction is now a reality. There's only white noise after this.
Or we all stop putting up with it. We start reminding people why there are courses in college called the sciences and the humanities. We remind them that empirical evidence is reality, and when someone tries to erect a false reality around themselves, we tear it down, and drag them screaming back into the light of reality. We stop allowing people to change our words and our standards to achieve the upper hand. We tell them "No, you're just making things up and pretending, reality doesn't give a shit about your ideas, your requirements, or desires. Because your "reality" is just your human bias, but actual reality is what's left when there are no humans in the situation."
What's the quote? Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away? It's hard to deny the reality of a Mack truck crossing your path? Kayfabe only bears truthiness because it is so thoroughly isolated from the screaming child that is teething. If you just believe hard enough, you will become that megastar everybody loves. Either that or your life is so inconsequential, it doesn't matter what you believe; the world moves on regardless. It is anti-zen.
Well your arguing that humans have that capacity to understand objective reality in the first place, which our senses and brain power are not capable of.
No interpretation of gravity will free you from it. A working perspective must be based in fact, or it will cause needless suffering. That's what's scary about all this.
Music, wrestling, and politics. It’s all about entertainment and getting people to feel invested in the characters that are portrayed. So crazy how this hits it on the nail.
People often misinterpret Nietzsche, when he said that god was dead he meant that morally we have become corrupt. Absolute statements saying god isn't real is the reason I am agnostic, both sides act like they have a dog in the fight which leaves me confused, aren't we supposed to be looking for the truth instead of getting one up on each other on a question that will probably never be answered and has been debated by the greatest minds of our race. All I am saying is please, stop being so sure of yourself when denouncing god, I am not religious but it is kinda disrespectful, either that or I am getting the context all wrong (which I am hoping to be the case).
When Nietzsche said "God is dead," he wasn't talking about moral decline, but rather about how the Enlightenment had begun a shift away from the narrative of God. Up until the Enlightenment, Western civilization was basically Christian, but the rise of philosophical materialism made the idea of God seem much less viable. Whereas before God had been a way to justify Christian morality and had a plot of destiny for humans to situate themselves in, the Enlightenment figured out that humans evolved and that the natural world operates according to laws that we can figure out. Taking the stance of agnosticism because the "greatest minds" have already debated this is intellectually dishonest, and it gives too much credence to stories that people started to find flaws in a long time ago. Of course there will always be intelligent people that believe in God, because intelligent people aren't less prone to being terrified by the reality of nihilism.
Listen everyone... I don't care if your a religious or not; or even an atheist. But if you start taking trash about everybody that you're better than them because you're a christian, muslim, or even an atheist; the you truly have no morals in life and you are a total asshole! In the end, we are all humans! We make mistakes and can't be perfect. I mean if you wanna believe in a guy who happens to be the son of God who has rose from the dead or even in a god, that is fine. Hell if you don't even believe in a god, that good to know too! I myself consider myself an agnostic like Jordan said. I do like to be logical; but I with so many mysteries and stuff in the world that no one can ever explain, even in a logical scientific fashion, I do also want to believe! I guess we will never know...
So, I cannot be sure that vampires and unicorns don't exist either? I care little if it is "disrespectful" to your point of view of the world. Its objectively wrong. I won't feed into this delusion.
I think this is a rather dangerous contention. Roughly, your position is that "fans" of wrestling know that wrestling is fake, but act as though it is real to be "part of the story" - they're effectively actors in what we might call "modern art." But this is entertainment; fiction. Donald Trump and politicians present their claims as fact; not as characters presenting fact in some elaborate stage play. Consider the recent lawsuit by Stormy Daniels, who sued the president for defamation of character (or something) for calling her a liar; the judge ruled against her because although Donald Trump DID lie (about her being a liar) and did meet the legal definition of defamation of character; he did so as a politician, and therefore was part of the "normal" political hyperbole. This is to say that the judge's contention is that politicians are exempt from the normal presumption of truth-telling... because they lie so often. But politicians ARE NOT ACTORS; they are not performing a stage play; they're supposed to be informing the population about their plans so that the population can make an informed judgement. Racists don't vote for Donald Trump because they're "in on the joke," they vote for Donald Trump because they falsely believe he'll build a wall, that mexico will pay for it, that the wall will make them more safe, etc. A democracy doesn't work if you can't trust people to tell the truth. Language doesn't even work if you can't assume that people will tell the truth. Worse; your contention here is that there is a group of people who legitimately don't believe Donald Trump is telling the truth, but act as though he is telling the truth, despite the clear negative side effects of this. This is a rather uncharitable interpretation of such individuals; one would have to be quite the asshole to sink a ship so you can laugh at the fellow passengers as they stare blankly at how you're such an idiot you just sunk the ship all the while saying "The ship's not sinking. That's not a shark. Look at all the food coloring that's floating around my torso on this dry, not sunk at all ship."
@@Calpsotoma For wrestling, not politics, right? For example, I was under no illusions that Hillary Clinton was always honest or a good person, but she was competent and knew things. Such an incredibly low bar that somehow the USA has failed.
Unfortunately there are people who are twisted enough to cut off their noses to spite their faces and then when a passerby says "Why did you cut off your nose, that makes no sense" they'll say "lol u triggered snowflake?" and will think the fact you care that they hurt themselves or care enough to be confused by their actions is in itself the most hilarious thing on Earth. I don't believe they're the majority of the ones who support the current "administration" but I do think by pretending to go along with it as legitimate supporters (for the lulz), they added to the illusion the campaign was making and contributed to people becoming marks and buying into what they were being sold.
@@darkeimp555 I think that a lot of people failed morally when they voted for Trump. Many voted for Trump because they're moral monsters wanting to harm others or willing to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing as a means to an end. Many more were, and are, merely suckers, believing what Trump says is true. But this is the information age, and Trump is the most obvious of liars, so anyone who believes Trump on anything is profoundly confused about the nature of "truth" or profoundly negligent. Finally, it's worth nothing that many people refuse to admit that their past actions are moral failings. "It's not a lie, it's an exaggeration!" or "He's not really a racist, he's an idiot," or even "Trump is the lesser of two evils, because... uh... Hillary Clinton would raise taxes or something." Cutting public education and allowing Fox news have enabled people to act systematically incompetently in a time where a simple google search would be able to demonstrate the falsity of pretty much everything Donald Trump has ever said or promised. Characterizing such behavior as anything but widespread moral negligence and/or incompetence is dangerous. If you voted the boy who cried wolf into office... on purpose... you've done something wrong. Probably many, many things wrong.
So it's a lot like voyeurism, but everyone involved knows they're being watched. And even if they're not being watched by a voyeur they still act as if they are. Makes sense. LOL
So by being someone that go against mainstream, like hippies and hipsters. We are still living under the influence of the society and Kayfabe, within the system we desperately try to escape. Does that means only way to breakaway from system is from within, living and understanding the system but knowing when and how it influence your life. So you can make true decisions base on your knowledge and experiences? How does one live in system and outside the system at the same time? Or are we just destined to follow?
The counter-mainstream is just a knee jerk response as well, really. We seem pre-wired to sort ourselves according into binary oppositional groupings. Looking for a 'home team' to root for. But to answer your more important question. Yes. There is a way. Several ways in fact. But all of them require that you throw yourself off where the conceptual sidewalk ends, so to speak. It requires that you spend years building up to a moment you don't know when, in which the perceptual minds eye gives up the instinctive urge to build and seek patterns against blank surfaces, or faces in clouds. A moment when you look at your world mostly unfiltered with expectation. But it's a one way door. You can't "unsee" it. it never earns you freinds, puts you at odds with most everyone around you because you can't just autonomically participate in their individual little perceptual bubbles worlds anymore. People may tell you they want the truth, but that's a lie. What you ask requires you push the edge of psychosis, and then step back before it caims ya. Some don't. HMU if you relly wanna explore this.
hippies and hipsters ARE the new mainstream. But I agree with what Brian Hirt has said. Its hard work, and being your own being, by a lot of introspection, high curiosity of life, self and all of it... not breaking mirrors when you see what you dont want to see of yourself. Not needing or being able to belong in a safe box, because you just cant. And so much more.. So in many ways...you have to be it and have strong character. You have to long for authenticity, sincerity, goodness , by being it first, and that makes you crave it in others. But like brian said, most wont ever dare to get that real..maybe until the last second of their life. And then bam..you are out of that matrix you held onto your whole cunty life. But here we are..answering a non question. Thuglife
Yeah the title of the video mentions Kanye, and the video talks about him a bit, but as an example, the video is not about Kanye, is about Kayfabe being integrated into media outside wrestling as a tool to manipulate or information consumption, but here you are being a bunch of drones focusing on Kayne West without even watching the video talking about unrelated bullshit feeling personally attacked for nothing.
THANK YOU!!! I've been explaining this to people for a while now but I didn't have the word "kayfabe" to use in explaining the false narrative preference. Wisecrack does it again!
Tbf...I've always known all of this, it makes me question everything, PC Culture, politics, sports etc. How much of it is deliberate, how much of it is kafabe
Yeah I've always wondered about it. People fake emotions to be perceived as something everybody like( which we all do don't we) It's all just an act In childhood we try to exaggerate or lie to our friends about things which would make us look cool.. I think it's a built in thing I'm humans.
The difference is politics can kill what society believes in . Ever since Trump was going for the presidency until now , I saw the news media outlets go nuts on him , even far worse than what they said of George Bush (I'm not a fan of him either) , I started to not trust the media...and then it was applied to my country's politics too....now I feel sad . Haha.
>Kanye been doing this politics stuff since right before the 2016 election >it's only gotten more intense >this video gets posted 3 days ago >Kanye suddenly retreats from politics completely COINCIDENCE????
@Wisecrack This very much reminds me of Michael Lewis' book The Undoing Project about Tversky-Kahneman hypothesis about the human mind. In short and very simplisticly, as I understand it, their research prooved that people when they think they are thinking rationally most often are not and acctually are telling themselves a story of rationality so people are natural storytellers.
The "Mark" actually has no outlook on real or not. The Mark is in it for Emotional Supply. Their defence of the veracity of a clearly untrue narrative is because questioning the narrative threatens the source of their supply. A supply to which they have often built an addiction.
I just realized that this fortifies the idea that humans need stories to cooperate. Just like religion, the belief in a mutual cause brings people together. Their common cognitive bias bonds them and gets strengthened every time they praise it. They act out as if something is true, just as Christians act out as if god exists. This gives both groups certain advantages over others, namely tribal support and loyalty reassurance. These tight knit communities thrive and convert more and more people to their cause. Believing in false ideas is a simpler way of understanding reality and shows believers an seemingly easy way out of their temporal personal misery. Those metaphorical truths are useful for the moment and sometimes even enable delayed gratification when confined to the faithful group itself. To share common grounds with unknown people gave raise to civilizations in the past and those imagined orders now help groups that believe in obvious kayfabe to gain popularity.
I've been catching whatever I can of his Colbert Report show on TH-cam for the past months. Sometimes I forget he's talking about Bush and the show ended several years ago already, it's so relevant still.
The bit about feelings being truer than facts is so relevant. A lot of people feel like violent crime is out of control, even though it's basically the lowest it's ever been. I also had a friend move to Detroit and tell me she "feels" safer there than where she was before, even though Detroit has like double the murder and violent crime rate. Politicians definitely makes use of that too, like Trump and the whole caravan thing. He was making people feel like there's an invasion coming, even though they're still super far away and not really a threat at all.
Nathanael Wade Well, I suppose atheists would argue there is an inherent flaw when the phrase “you can’t disprove a negative” comes to play in a philosophical equation. On the other hand, a theist etc. may argue that signs are all around us. I can see the beauty in either. I used to be an admitted atheist, but never completely ruled out the existence of a higher power (if that makes sense?). Now I am agnostic, due to some personal experiences that my empirical/analytical/utilitarianism/skeptic-based mind can’t grasp, along with a general observation that certain (premeditated, so as to rule out cognitive biases) events happen with far more frequency than any explanations would account for. I’m just not sure what the nature power is. My salient point is that no one can know for sure
Dude, thank you. I have been telling people for years that politics is theatrics and drama - entertainment, but entertainment that pseudo-intellectuals insist is important.
3:15 just for that you can take my upvote Wisecrack. Reminded me of what Jim Jefferies said: Now, imagine that… the world is a train track and society is a train. As society has always had to do, the train has to move forward. ‘Cause if it stops moving forward, we’ll run out of resources around the train ’cause we’ll be stationary. And the gears will lock up, and the vines will take over. So it has to keep going forward. Now, in this train, we have the people in the engine room, who are running the show. And those people in our society who run the show are scientists. These are the people inventing medicines for you to live longer, and surgeries for you to live longer and finding alternative fuel sources. And engineers that are making machines that run more efficiently. Right? Now, all those people are scientists. Now, whether you like it or not, scientists are primarily atheists. And they’re in the front carriage, dragging us along. Now, in the second carriage, we have a bunch of cunts that I don’t think get fucking enough flak. Agnostics. These fucking wishy-washy fucks. [audience laughing] They’re all standing around in the second carriage, going, “Who knows? Maybe there is a god. Maybe there isn’t a god. Maybe your god and your god are the same god, but… I know there was a Big Bang, but who made the Big Bang? I wouldn’t consider myself, you know, religious, but I am spiritual.” And… then there’s this last carriage, and the last carriage is 50 times bigger than the other two carriages combined. And it’s carrying the rest of the population of the human race. And it’s filled with cunts wearing hats for reasons they don’t know and growing beards because they think they have to. Some of the women are covering their faces and cowering. Everyone’s dancing around going, “Man on a cloud. Man on a cloud.” And there are so many of these cunts that the train is hardly fucking moving! And the people in the engine room are like this… [sighing] “If I just pull this peg here… [audience laughing] [inaudible] do you know how fast we’d be moving?” *- Online transcript of Jim Jefferies' brilliant Netflix Special "Freedumb".*
I worked on the sets of many rap music videos right after high school...the shoots had fancy cars. Sexy girls and guys with bottles of champagne...the end product looked like a dream of the good life...but during the break the dancers put on sweatpants and studied for their exams. The bottles were full of ginger ale because most of the cast didn't drink and the rappers complained that the shoot was taking too long and they needed to get home to have dinner with their kids. I thought I was getting the dream job..turned out to be I was at work like everybody else. Since then I watch everything on screen as a form of entertainment and advertising rolled into one.
@ Except even as a software developer making 80k a year my healthcare, its availability, and it's quality. Additionally what about people unable to work from an injury of some kind? Should the very people who need health care not be able to have it because they aren't "earning" it right this second? This is the squabbling I am talking about. The bottom line is it isn't a game, and people will suffer and die, who don't otherwise have to. Some people are OK with that. Other people profit form the state things are in. Either way, it is a distraction, but not entertainment. Even as they use the trappings that make entertainment successful.
@@pyrodante Have you considered that the solution to your problem isn't to provide health care for free, but instead to deregulate health care and let market forces lower the price of said health care?
Wow!! I've just come across your channel and just been blow away by the genius writing and presentation of your videos. This video i feel is very deep and important, it will be such a life changer for many if you were to do a longer version with more examples of the deception created by the music and political industry. a mini documentary will be amazing! Thank you so much for merging education and entertainment. i wish one day highschools and universities will be more like this channel. lots of praise from New Zealand
Street business gives you the fundamentals of how corporations operate. High school drama gives you a glimpse into what happens behind the closed doors of Congress. Fandoms for your local sports teams show you how political parties function.
Reality is dying for idiots. The rest of us can recognize an obvious lie as fake just fine, like we can recognize wrestling as obviously fake. Entertaining doesn't equal truth and I don't know how someone above the age of 10 could think otherwise. I mean, I like watching movies and playing video games, still, I would never think that they're real.
You're overestimating most people and your comment is very ignorant. People get fooled all the time and sometimes not even those who are above average can tell when a lie is being told because they are not exposed to enough evidence. Lies can be very effective.
@@vibraniumshield7383 maybe I didn't make it clear enough what I meant, so let me try again: the whole point of this video is that people nowadays are not only fooled by convincing lies, but that they also willingly believe in blatant lies because doing so has some kind of entertainment value apparently. So, by equating entertainment with truth people voluntarily make fools out of themselves, just because they want to believe in a certain entertaining narrative. The ones telling the lies don't even have to try that hard, all they have to do is to insist on the narrative. All I was trying to say is that only idiots would believe in a narrative solely for the reason that the narrative is entertaining. That's just not how reality works and the conceptual differences between entertainment and truth are not that hard to grasp.
My parents, I have watched them de-evolve... in the close future I expect them to be flat earthers... they question only information not from their kayfabe bubble... they are truly cultists.
As a weekly viewer of WWE for many years, I believe that wrestling is the last greatest form of theatre. I have studied the psychology of kayfabe and the "backstage" reasoning of why they(WWE creative) choose to send certain messages with certain characters. With Trump being president, it has brought an interest of American politics to me and I've found a striking similarity between wrestling kayfabe and new American politics. Trump is playing with the uneducated American people (there are many more people uneducated than you think) like silly puddy. Using emotion, inciting fear, creating false narratives, and by doing so he is dividing the country. Trump does not care for the people he has to step on and eliminate for him to carry out a narrative asked by the true world leaders. When I say "true world leaders" I am talking about the people in the shadows, the people who quite frankly have the ultimate power. They understand that to get what they want (public acknowledgment worldwide, with power and control) they will take baby steps and matter how long it takes. Which by the way, we're about to see something big in less than 80 years, be prepared. Their plan is going correctly and is on schedule. People please wake up, please see and acknowledge what is happening for what it is and not what they want you to believe. It may be entertaining but this is our lives they're playing with and we need to stop the hanus actions immediately.
No politician has ever cared about inciting fear, creating false narratives, using emotion, and dividing the country, so long as they divide it 51/49 and they get the 51.
@Michael Klump that's because they said he isn't real rather than that he's dead. My grandfather's dead, but does that make him not real? Well, that's a whole different discussion. I think it's just a joke of subverted expectations. You expect 'don't worry little viewer, Santa actually is real', but instead he demolishes their world view entirely. It would have landed better if they completely embraced cosmic nihilism afterwards rather than presenting it as truth since whether it's true or not is irrelevant to the video. Unless... THAT might be a joke on kayfabe. "In this universe we built on this channel, the truth is that God isn't real". Since those with the claim should provide the evidence, sane atheists don't claim there is no God, they just don't see sufficient evidence. "I don't believe in god" vs "There is no god". Wisecrack is smart enough to know this so the only conclusion is that it's a multi-layered joke.
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So this is how reality dies, with thunderous applause...
'Natalie Portman,'
That's hella deep.
We're doomed bruh
Damn...
Crick1952
Reality never existed, it was just a beautiful dream.- Me, Just Now 🙃
For some reason I thought this video was going to be about Kanye 🤔
Lol what made u think that
lol what a dumbass
Yup, they got the point across.
It kinda is. I can now point out a fact that Kanye got in too deep with the kayfabe that he is distorted with the reality he perceives.
Bad timing.
Um, everything is about Kanye. Just ask Kanye...
Small but interesting detail: Linda McMahon, former CEO of the WWE, serves on Trump's cabinet (as Administrator of the Small Business Administration, but still!)
At least served until a while back; now she's working on his re-election campaign.
You know... this means his ads should just be him elbow dropping on his opponents. Clearly the political climate isn’t that awesome brand of stupid yet, and I’m disappointed.
That is no small detail. Small businesses are the heart of the American economy. However, many of them are increasingly operating under the guise of this Kayfabe mechanism. Its tRAGIC ACTUALLY.
"In a theater, it happened that a fire started offstage. The clown came out to tell the audience. They thought it was a joke and applauded. He told them again, and they became still more hilarious. This is the way, I supposed, that the world will be destroyed-amid the universal hilarity of wits and wags who think it is all a joke."
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@Pecu Alex Kierkegaard.
lol
But, Dr, I AM Pagliacci!
using wrestling to understand reality woah
I knew it. Now I am free from the Matrix through the magic of Wrestling
Yea it's really just Wisecrack pulling back the curtain and exposing the truth of the things that effect our reality. The most compelling or popular individuals become
kayfabe whether intentional or not. Youve branded yourself as something and it's brought you fame and fortune.
It's human nature to continue to do whats working for you and it's our nature as viewers to want to believe it's all real.
Just reminds me of idiocracy where the president was a literal professional wrestler
Now we got a WWE HALL OF FAMER as president 😃
Just a reminder, you're living in it.
wooooooooow
Was that a film or a documentary? I'm starting to have second thoughts on it.
I was waiting for this to be referred to...
Another example of Kayfabe: Drake. "Started at the bottom now we here." In reality, he lived in Canada, his mom was a teacher, and he was a child actor for a local show.
Sounds like the bottom, considering where hes at now
Child actor, so the part about starting at the bottom might be literal.
@@kutter131 I think he mean't most children rarely has a chance to become an actor. But not sure whats Drake's bottom standards is.
what about Colin Kaepernick?
Its not the bottom of the bottom, but it's the bottom. From borrowing the mini van to letting mom borrow the maybach
That's an interesting interpretation Wisecrack. But it's also terrifying because fans of wrestling do know it's all play - only pretend they don't. But people all around the world who watch these political narratives do not truly know it's a show - they even make their voting decisions strongly influenced by those media narratives. This is scary and it makes one question the worth of today's democracy.
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Are you sure about this? How many Evangelicals rationalized their support of Trump because they thought that they could see through the kayfabe of his 'p*ssy grabbing' talk, but that the real man was going to stand up for Christians? How many of his friends in the entertainment industry thought that his 'real talk' bluster was just a show and that he would support gay rights? Or the women who voted him in, who thought that his misogyny against Clinton et al was just a show? They all thought they could see through to the 'real' Trump. They claim to be able to see through the show. I think they know it's fake. I think they'd rather have a liar who is unabashed, rather than a liar who puts on the cloak of morality.
but, how can we know that? we don't get statistically valid info outside media. papers and studies sometimes helps, but journals sometimes are not better than media in their selection bias. The last surveys showed that most people don't fall into the 2 big insane group that they insist to be the only ones. so believing that people are strongly influenced by media is just another part of the keyfabe.
Democracy couldn't work in the present world even if all politicians weren't whores to big business because the average person isn't qualified to decide what's good for them, let alone an entire country.
flippantb The criticism of Clinton wasn't misogyny. The criticism of Clinton was because she's a warmongering, quasi-neocon piece of shit.
It's like when a doctor gives you a name for your disease. Thanks, Jared.
when a doctor tells you,you have hemerhhoids, you have swollen veins up your butt
The answer to "why not?" is that Kayfabe prevents the development of culture - it pauses real culture while culture moves into circular narratives.
Kayfabe is an insular bubble - much like a movie. There are actors, scripts, everything is *controlled*. Kayfabe is profoundly totalitarian. If you're inside a Kayfabe bubble and you behave outside of your role you're shunned.
Anyone who cares about the real, let's say ecological destruction for example, has to build a narrative around ecological destruction that competes with other narratives for attention. There's no such thing as *trumping* Kayfabe with more important reality since Kayfabe is entertainment.
Fukuyama's "End of History" describes our modern culture - the idea that nothing matters. But only privileged deluded monsters can possibly believe that nothing matters. Humanity is on schedule to become extinct by the 22nd century. It DOES matter whether or not humanity exists in the 22nd century.
*Even if* we decide to give up on saving humanity and become resigned to our own extinction, which is an insane and pointless proposition, what humanity is in the 21st century still matters.
Wrestlers get inside their totalitarian ring, play with each other, and make up stories. You know what that sounds like? *Children*. Kayfabe is infantile culture that exists when humanity becomes so pathetic that it gives up on any kind of real progress within reality itself.
kayfabe is basically the epitome of the Spectacle (Debord). After that it's only total self-annihilation. Period.
I agree but not at all, i mean entretainment its natural at inteligent beings i though, if keyfabe is just for entertainment dosent matter i mean there is more people on planet still(thanks god, just an expression i dont believe in god anyway lul); than consider WWE as fake ass ridicolous show for kiddos, and thats the point of kayfabe its just for fun and any more; the real problem here is when we saw kayfabe in polittics, then the media, its like we are trying to lose all the formality and normal sense to get all the attention or making the serious shit as show just for get adience, thats dissgusting, this is not defintly a way to follow, we had to change our vision of the future, we need to keep it formal and bored when we had to, and stop trying to consume the fucking kayfabes in our news, serious shows and just keep it on entretainment.
P.D. Im sorry about my terrible grammar im from México and really like to debate with smart people, what do you think about my though tho, salute you
Brian Koontz We have lost collective reality a long time ago, we'll have to resort to finding the real on our own.
I would add that you correctly describe Richard Dawkins' use of a Meme (thoigh I'm not referring to a clip that becomes temporarily popular). I added before reading your comment: Between Acting in general, things such as 'Pro' Wrestling and Soap Operas, no wonder news and politics are falling in line. Add video games (single point of goal/accomplishment) and sports into that mix. Oh, don't forget lowering the voting age to anyone who can comment or share content and you have the makings for the Idiocracy movie we are in. Most people are annoyed with philosophy or hate people that point out inconsistencies (like in movies) because they don't want the veil broken. And why then is Nihilism and Post Modernism so popular?? Derp
I knew there was a reason why I hated professional wrestling, thanks for explaining why.
It's just science man. Wrestlers uses the force because their bodies have a high midi-Floridians.
You will now be the royal comedian. Write my speeches dammit.
Just missed two minutes of the show trying to come up with a good response to this, I have failed, FAILED, the comedic genius is just too much for me.
Lax tax laws are cool too.
You take all the WIN.
Lol
Also, kayfabe explains how everyone behaves at work - as though they care about their jobs and are excited about their work, but are all just putting on a show to one degree or another.
There's no way Im the only one that forgot I'm watching a video about Kanye
Don't work yourself into a shoot brother.
the real title should be :From Kanye to Trump and the end of Reality
Media now is what religion was centuries ago (and also now): a way by which people can choose their own realities.
I get the point you're making, but I don't think organised religions allowed a whole lot of "choosing" your own reality if you chose one outside the parameters of their leaders.
Sandcastle • “burger to death” 😂😂😂
I agree somewhat. Religion didn't allow individuals to choose their realities, but rather communities to. If your whole town is of one religion and goes to one church, then the claims made there are true for you. Now people are still stuck with their communities, but it's much more online than in actual proximity. I guess this is the end result of identity politics, every identifying group chooses their own narrative of the world. Obviously the right wing is much more detached from reality, considering their cultish refusal to accept any narrative where they aren't the heroes, but this video shows how the Democrats in media use this very fact for profit, inviting loons on so they can debate with them, as if the outcome matters.
They don't want you to "choose" a reality, the media as a religion wants you to believe the reality THEY are trying to push on the viewers.
Really good point if you consider points made about humans in books like "sapiens", where a deciding factor in the rise of Europe was the desire to evaluate the world through a lens other than the "truth" provided by Christianity. The resulting exploration and expansion of knowledge allowed a pretty small sub population to basically write the rules for 500 year's. Don't stop pushing for better answers, kids
"All the world is a stage" -- some guy
"and the people are mere players" - Shakespeare
Some guy? No, I said that, this is part of the stage, remember?
"Welcome to the studio" - Donal Trump in the oval office.
hold on. does wisecrack and fellow wisecrackers actually agree that biparti politics are a sham? niiice
*Came to watch vid on Kanye West and laugh at him*
*Leaves with existential crisis*
Laughing at you for coming to this video to laugh at Kanye simply because you hate his politics
Bn Jon big facts
nzz.ch just had an article about Neil Postman (Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business) ... if you like to extend your existential crisis by print.
@@TheJoggerby3 You're too deep into the kayfabe, brother.
I always thought Kanye was playing a character... it seems so scripted to me now but people are so emotional invested in hating him they can’t see it
This is... really freakin' horrifying. Our reality is a reality show pretending to be real.
It is called hypernormalisation. Look it up, there is a good documentary on it on the BBC.
Not really tbh, as far as the Rick Ross thing is concerned almost all rappers are like this now and it’s kind of accepted by fans even if they’re aware said artist is embellishing (to say the least). As long as it remains in places of entertainment instead of the political world, it is perfectly fine
I would point out that perhaps, in a society that institutionalizes and accepts lies and lying in its culture (santa, easter bunny,democracy,hard work=equal rewards), produces a certain type of people that see lying and taking advantage of others in general, as how the world "really works".
And that culture has been fostered to service capitalism and industry. It favors manipulators that are self-serving, short-sighted, and uncaring of their actions and consequences.
...just sayin'.
your 'hard work=equal rewards' really cracked me up :D
What bothers me sometimes is not the fact that those people, that step over others, accept this as their truth of the world, but rather that they chose to do so counsciously.
I just don't get how people can just swallow all this guilt and shame inside and pretend it's cool.
Also, regarding the video: Politicians should be judged based on their actions rather than their words. In today's time words are way to damn weak ...
Excellent comment.
This is probably the most truthful thing I've read in along time, and its depressing as shit. No wonder people prefer the happy fake story over truth.
@PrisonCipher
trolling?
who prefers lie over truth? The ones that hurt you did .. thats okay but you haveto understand they were also just traumatized by quite afew things.
People are good and highliestest social by /in their nature and thats no Cliché, its a Trueism.
Not civility is the illusion, silly. Sillivity lol
Ronaldmc donald was forced to fake that smiledance.
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I dont think it's a society thing, we always believed in lies, and we always manipulated our neighbours for our own gain. I think it's more about real feelings that comes from evolution, than a society thing. We are greedy, selfish by nature, because in times of scarcity, greed is what makes us survive, the ones who decides to not share their prey are the ones who arent going to starve.
Never did I think wisecrack would talk about Rick Ross and his facade hustle to fame. Awesome video!
Seriously, hip hop owes vanilla ice a huge apology.
RIGHT?!
Benjamin Peters hahahah big time
@@benjaminpeters6729 why though? I'm asking ,not attacking you man
God is Kayfabe...
Fuck God...
Fuck Kayfabe...
Finally, a video that addresses this!!!
Wrestling is just hillbilly anime
Comment of the year
I love the internet.
*Prove me wrong*
Black People like wrestling too
haha yeah that's some good anime
“So is god” 😂😂😭😭😭😭 I’m crying
"And so is GOD.....? WOW.... I'm so ready for you to come back, destroy this world, make the NEW EARTH and the NEW JERUSALEM and spend eternity in happiness. Fuck fuck fuck this world is run by evil GODLESS PEDOPHILES.
@@curtis209 Lol, somebody here has existential meltdown. gl tho
@@curtis209 go off man
Wisecrack- I can't believe you had to say that. I thought you'd at least respect spirituality even if you can't say the same for organized religion. All I can now say is, may God bless your souls.
That a bet mistake he did I mean WTF?
This is the biggest philosophical question, who are you to make your opinion as a statement?
Not cool wisecrack
In other words it's like the 10 year old me believing I'm a wrestler and playing around with my friends and everything is fun until someone breaks an arm
This is actually a video about the philosophy of Kanye as it got way out off topic quick like him.
So it's basically
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@@fullmetaltheorist I ruined it. my bad
The success of Kayfabe in realms like government is terrifying. No matter what fictional characters are being portrayed, the government are still guys with guns who decide who gets locked in cages. It does win because people see feelings as more reliable than facts. And that's not a new thing. It's just more progress in a direction western society has been moving since World War I. Prior to WWI, science and reason were seen as purely good, incapable of being used for harm. Then with WWI people saw mustard gas, tanks, and suffering on a huge scale backed by science and technology. People are terrible at dealing with anything that has both good and bad in it, they want binary relationships because it takes less mental energy to think about. And as the 20th century continued, there were more and more tragedies laid at the feet of science, pushing more people to throw up their hands and say 'might as well just go with what feels right since theres no guarantee what the scientists say is good'. Eugenics, thalidomide, lobotomies, communism, racism, sexism, homophobia, leaded gasoline, all of these things had scientific authorities willing to cut corners and make claims not supported by actual science, and they torpedoed the reputation of science for the average person. We're now so deeply entrenched in anti-intellectualism that it's basically the air we breathe. When we see a TV show, for instance, we know the super smart guy is the villain. We know any smart protagonist will be socially inept, prone to hubris, and lead the other heroes into danger, needing to be saved by a gun-toting musclebound hero who follows their heart. These aren't how they argue things work, they're as basic as gravity and considered no more significant statements than having the characters breathe air. Intellectuals are cold, unloving, arrogant, disconnected, socially inept, and dangerous. They're not how you want to live your life or how you want your kids to be. So it should be no surprise that people don't want facts. They want feelings. And as things get worse, they will double and triple down on feelings, insisting they simply haven't gone far enough in eradicating the influence of reason.
Dustin Rodriguez it's a Brave New World.
+Dustin Rodriguez
"The success of Kayfabe in realms like government is terrifying. No matter what fictional characters are being portrayed, the government are still guys with guns who decide who gets locked in cages. It does win because people see feelings as more reliable than facts. And that's not a new thing. It's just more progress in a direction western society has been moving since World War I. Prior to WWI, science and reason were seen as purely good, incapable of being used for harm. Then with WWI people saw mustard gas, tanks, and suffering on a huge scale backed by science and technology. People are terrible at dealing with anything that has both good and bad in it, they want binary relationships because it takes less mental energy to think about. "
If facts were enough we wouldn't have had two World Wars that made no sense to even begin with. We went one way and we got the inquisition. We went the other way and we got teh World Wars (far worse then the Inquisition ever was mind you). It's not so much ignorace or "anti-intellectualism" it's the matter fo an old time rule: everything changes. It's a matter of who plays their cards right and get's the bigger share when all is said and done.
"When we see a TV show, for instance, we know the super smart guy is the villain. We know any smart protagonist will be socially inept, prone to hubris, and lead the other heroes into danger, needing to be saved by a gun-toting musclebound hero who follows their heart. These aren't how they argue things work, they're as basic as gravity and considered no more significant statements than having the characters breathe air. Intellectuals are cold, unloving, arrogant, disconnected, socially inept, and dangerous. "
I'm not sure if you were trying to critique this or are just spouting something that's just blatantly true.
"They're not how you want to live your life or how you want your kids to be. So it should be no surprise that people don't want facts. They want feelings. And as things get worse, they will double and triple down on feelings, insisting they simply haven't gone far enough in eradicating the influence of reason."
Makes we wonder why you think that things like science and intellectualis are inherently true and why it SHOULD be since no matter what you say it's the same argument everybody else used.
Damn dude, that wall still got you down?
Amen, dude.
Read through it. And it was awesome.
Have you considered being a teacher, book author, youtuber or an employee at Wisecrack?
Well said
You ask towards the end what the problem with Kayfabe is, and I can think of two problems....1) With the example of Rick Rossi, it creates an unrealistic picture of how someone becomes successful, leading people to waste their time pursuing goals that may land them in prison, rather than pursuing realistic goals like education. 2) With CNN and Trump/Hillary, this is creating extreme division in society, with friends and family not talking to each other, and if it was real it might be worth it, but if it's a Kayfabe they are promoting division and possibly violence for the fun of it! Note both the examples given hinge on the person being a Mark.
William David Thompson unfortunately 90% of people
is a Mark is some shape or form
It's not only the dangerous resulting from false narratives but policy gets enacted based on those narratives.
We are all marks with our own narratives about what is true and why it’s true.
The problem with kayfabe in politics is that their lines and emotions might be faked, but the policies are real. Donald Trump for example, it doesn't matter if he's faking his hatred for undocumented latino immigrants, his policies are harming them.
“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
Not to mention that the rest of the world does not buy into this, and when your leader starts insulting other countries, we don't see the wink behind the public backs, we see an act of war and this will end badly for everyone.
This is one of the most depressing videos I've ever seen on your channel :(
I was about to say the same thing.
I'm so happy you covered this Wisecrack, I've been trying to explain this to people for years how it all relates back to wrestling. How the media can twist and turn anything to fit it's narrative, how Colin Kapernack's kneiling in protest of black people being shot got twisted into something against the military. The American people are being kayfabed, worked... I only wish you had brought up the history that prowrestling before it became clear in the 80s that it was Entertainment, up until that point it was an industry secret. People genuinely thought guys like Bruno Sammartino were legit back in the day, and the whole business was a Carny Conjob! And what do you call the victims of a conjob? Marks. In the right manipulative hands, this concept of Kayfabing reality is a real dangerous weapon and more people need to be smarten up about it.
Pittsburgh is a stark reminder of this.
I for one am tired of something happening all the time. "Entertainment" is fine, but not 24/7. It's too much and I'm over it
@Dudeistbelieve Yo, you know more about this? I'm....I'm fascinated. I really want to know more about this and talk with someone who knows more, but I don't know anything about pro-wrestling. Do you have any sources? Any good videos to watch, movies, books, articles, etc?
I'm serious.
The media didnt twisted anything in that scenario... People understand cops shooting innocent black people is a false narrative. Statistics and facts show as much. Politicising a non political game for promoting a false narrative is will anger people.
drmnys found the Republican
No wonder the world is going to shit. We need to reverse this trend and value evidence and reason above emotion if we want humanity to last more than a couple more centuries
Well said. I'm on your page.
The question is "how". In a democratic society where corporations are free to capitalize on consumers' emotions to profit, they will always continue to do so, and people will continue to consume entertainment like a drug.
How do we break this new mass drug addiction? Install another drug in its place? Neurological tampering? There needs to be an alternative which is seemingly more appealing to the addicts, which means it needs to resonate emotionally.
@@p.bamygdala2139 How about limit the Corporations power? Honestly this seems like a symptom of this country's off the rails Capitalism
@@jzzy107 Its the entire western world to a certain extend, I fear.
'the world'. in this video, in your comment, everywhere.
your country is not "the world"...
you're gonna tell me you know that, you're not stupid, but still, listen to yourself : you're constantly overusing the word 'world'
It isn't so much "feels over reals" as "this gets attention so therefore it must have merit".
So basically kayfabe is doublethink?
Orwellian detected xd
It’s post-truth, if you prefer, and it’s obviously awful.
@@mauropuglia7991 Devastating if you will
Well big brother is a capatalist and Nlnot a communist anymore. Man we're getting old.
in politics it is. In pro wrestling and other non-reality things, it is a fictional narrative.
"So is god", very subtle, Wisecrack. Very subtle.
“And we have killed him.”
Loved the Nietzsche mustache and cigarette as well.
Very true
They're douche bags
Von Lee why? Because he said god isn’t real? Lmao did that hurt your feelings?
Think he was more doing a bit about how you can just take it as a full-on Nietsche lover.
Anthony Fantano gave MBDTF a 6
Kanthony Westano
And kid see ghost a 10
Fuck that nigga
and he is right
Never forget
Kayfabe = Cofveve
covfefe*
Kind of a misleading title
Very much so
I think is pretty obvious. Kanye is the best friend of Trump.
@I Control My Fate Kanye is taking part in Kayfabe. And everything is turning into Kayfabe. But the scary part is, the audience is starting to forget it's an act for entertainment. Reality and facts don't matter anymore.
The word you're looking for is "Clickbait."
The title is kayefabe in on of itself
This video is sooo american. Watching it from europe feels very exotic.
EDIT : For everybody wanting to say or saying in the previous comment that it's not the case in Europe. I am talking about the way the video is AND NOT KAYFABE! (edit made 2 days after the original comment)
What if America is WWE for the rest of the world?
@@chrischeng7552 Reality check: It is!
@Al Caulique, mmm, what? Which country are you in? I am in Europe, seems pretty everyday stuff to me...
@@chrischeng7552 Im an Indian, but I watch and follow American politics and pop-culture every day. It is way more entertaining than WWE in my opinion.
I would not say keyfabe does not exist at all in Europe but it is true that it is less developed, or at least politics is treated in a way less "spectacular' way in the media that in the US
"It's about the narrative not the facts"
That sh*t is scary
I think one of the things that gets lost when talking about the Kanye “best videos of all time” controversy is that Kanye was right.
If you go watch Taylor’s “You Belong With Me” video, it’s cliché, with Taylor playing a nerdy girl next door who just wants to be noticed by the cute boy with the girlfriend who’s mean to him. Maybe it was well directed, shot, and produced, but as a video it’s still pretty weak.
On the other hand, the Beyoncé video he’s talking about, “Single Ladies,” is iconic. I think the reason it wasn’t awarded “Best Female Video of the Year” was because it was awarded “Best Video of the Year,” which supersedes the male and female categories, and it’s wrong to award a video for being the best twice.
However, I can understand why Kanye in the moment might be outraged at what looks like a black performer who made something original with artistic merit being snubbed for a cute white girl with a hackneyed suburban fantasy.
Of course, the right thing to do would’ve been to complain /after/ the ceremony, but this is Kanye after all...
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Squirm - what would've happened if Taylor did the same to Kanye that night? Maybe he is right. But what he exhibited that night is 100 percent jackassery.
@@sarath431 Yes - even Obama remarked "he's a jackass" off the record during a CNBC interview in footage that was later released (I think by Gawker)
He didn't do the morally right thing, but he was correct.
Also, my name is Squim, but you're not the first person to make that mistake. I guess because the humps in m's look kind of like r's a lot of people tend to misread it. Makes me squirm a little every time someone makes that mistake though, since "squirm" is such an uncomfortable word
@@sammosaurusrex - sorry mate. It's auto correct in my phone. Sorry for that. Yes, Beyonce had the better video. But Kanye's stunt that night makes him look like a narcissist. I read an article which stated that Beyonce felt offended by that.
As of being right or wrong, it depends on the person. Personally I'm on the middle.
How old was Taylor Swift when that happened? Barely 20? And Beyoncé was 28? Kanye was 32 and acting like it matters lmao they all getting paid no matter what, dude is a child.
*DESTROYTHECHILD*
*CORRUPTTHEMALL*
Then ultimate kayfabe: Mr. Jones.
Like wisecracking didn't jut say God dent exist and there is no difference between good and evil
I read it as 'Corrupt The Mall'
darqlyte lmao the intergalactic space demons will corrupt the malls of this country
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me." LOOOOOOOL
This video doesn't seem to acknowledge that kayfabe comes from a time where wrestling tried very hard to pretend it was real.
But orange man bad
Gage Baumgard does that mean if wrestling can get to a point of not pretending it’s 100% real, that politics can change too? Why did wrestling stop being so ‘serious’ btw?
@@casualcommenter9730 So it's kind of a weird story. A handful of guys backstage in WWE (then WWF) had a clique - appropriately nicknamed "The Klique" and they would typically push people around backstage. Two guys left for a bigger contract with rival promotion WCW, and WCW tried to heavily imply without stating that these new guys in WCW are the same characters that just disappeared from WWF's TV show. This gave WCW a TON of ratings, but they ran into a small problem: they were right on the edge of breaking the law. One lawsuit from WWF later, and WCW's writers realized that they couldn't claim that these "Outsiders" were from a rival promotion anymore. However, they did notice that they were making a TON of money by playing around with the "What's real and what's not?" angle.
Cue the WCW writers running the concept of breaking the fourth wall into the ground, but before they went too far WWF realized that there's big money in playing with this idea as well. They both overdid it, but WCW overdid it the worst. With two of the biggest international wrestling promotions basically saying "nah bro it's all a scripted TV show," there wasn't much use in others trying to put the cat back into the bag.
Uhhh... yes, that's the point of Kayfabe. Pretending it's real and never admitting it isn't, even up to the last moment. It doesn't "come from a time," that's exactly what it always has been. You're not doing Kayfabe if you're not insisting on something being real even though it obviously isn't.
Was this a time that, by any chance, you were very young? Yeah, they weren't trying any harder back then, you were just much, much easier to fool.
If you know, you know:
When you no longer interact ( trough: speech, physical or thought) you only observe, then you realise that you are one with everything around you, and that everything around you are one with you.
That we are like a drop of water in ocean, we might be at a different place with different surroundings but we are still part of the same unity. The waves are created by us, not by me. There is no me.
Once you go trough the rabbit hole and comes to this realisation- you dissolve and achieve super-awareness.
At this point you understand that everything that exists, exist in the present, the exact moment where space and time meets.
Space being horizontal - Time being vertical.
For most this will sound abstract, non logical and in the end not understandable, but for those off you out there that do understand: keep walking the path.
If you know, you know
I believe
@@acericafort8836 know
Not sure how this is related to the video, how it adds to it, or how it gives a solution to the issues mentioned in the vid
But you do you, dude
I feel like this while making art, Rumi's always there :)
This is genuinely such a brilliant video, I still come back to watch it every once in a while.
This reminds me of the idea of Post-Truth that was presented at the end of 2016. We reached a point where the facts seem to be completely irrelevant in favor of feelings. And the problem is, those who are most buying into the narrative of our current political system, are the same people who are in so many ways being harmed by said political system. I guess one thing that needs to be considered is: who does this idea of kayfabe benefit? The big politicians, the CEO's of companies who have an audience tuning in for entertainment, etc. etc., and it always happens to the detriment of someone. As we're seeing right now, to the detriment of minorities and vulnerable communities. I would have been interested in seeing more analysis on the fallout of this concept in this video.
Good insight, it would have been interesting if they did read more of it but as it is they cant say much more without triggering anyone.
@@xempire103 true, yes. But I do think there are ways to go about this without being partisan if that's the concern. As it stands, the politics of this are undermined. True, the seeming irrelevance of truth is disturbing in and of itself, but its effects go beyond existential crises and into the realm of it can actually kill people. In a video that is primarily about politics, it seems that avoiding the direct consequences of politics is a shortcoming.
@@ShinGarugamesh Just no. I hate this argument because it just isn't true. Its hard for people to rise out of poverty when they can't even vote (tons of voter suppression) and many of there schools are terribly underfunded. While yes it is technically possible to rise up op out of poverty and many have done it, it shouldn't have to take a super human effort to do that. There's a difference between handouts and getting them on en even playing field with better schools and actually being able to vote for starters.
@@skateisdestiny So the point your making is even though there is this fake reality there are two consequences.
1. People fall victim to this and lose sense of whats actually real
2.People are benefiting of of these fake reality's.
People in popular culture are benefiting from these reality's but so are the politicians, so is the conclusion your trying to draw is are both parties benefiting from this just one and who what is effecting either way?
I hope you mean who THINKS does this idea of kayfabe benefits them? Because in practice and in the very long term I believe we are all losing.
Shouldn't the title be 'Kayfabe and The End of Reality?'
Our reality died once we clicked on the video. We expected a full Kanye video, but only the first minute was Kanye.
Kayfabe autocorrected to Kanye?
Auto correct at its finest, lol
I remember back in the 70s there were kids who would wail on you if you even modestly suggested that their favorite pro wrestling stars were not dead serious and absolutely real. Being a smart kid, I instinctively knew that what I was seeing on the screen was a con job. It was frustrating not being able to convince other people that they where being tricked and I remember feeling very alone. Fast forward to modern times and experiencing a lot of those same feelings. People want so badly to believe in the narrative that fits their particular view of the world that they will go to great lengths to defend even outrageous fantasy. As we have seen some will even resort to violence. One of the greatest cons of pro wrestling is that they eventually convinced the public that it was OK to play along with the con and just enjoy it as entertainment. Let’s hope that politicians using those same tools don’t similarly convince us that it’s OK to allow this horror show to become the new normal for the way we run our country.
Too late A reality star is our President
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Patton Oswalt spoke about this in a standup a few years ago. Reality has become overwhelmingly invaded by fiction and in doing so, fiction is now a reality. There's only white noise after this.
Or we all stop putting up with it. We start reminding people why there are courses in college called the sciences and the humanities. We remind them that empirical evidence is reality, and when someone tries to erect a false reality around themselves, we tear it down, and drag them screaming back into the light of reality. We stop allowing people to change our words and our standards to achieve the upper hand. We tell them "No, you're just making things up and pretending, reality doesn't give a shit about your ideas, your requirements, or desires. Because your "reality" is just your human bias, but actual reality is what's left when there are no humans in the situation."
@@FredrickTeslaYup. We're all doomed.
SJWs called and said 'white noise' is another racist, patriarchical term used by those in power to suppress the minorities in this country!
@Michael Klump *good fiction
Essentially earth...of all of Earth is nothing more then an intergalactic Tv show.
.....oh my god....WE’RE FAMOUS!!
It's EARTH! On FOGNL!
I actually lost it at "So is God"
Tyler's Riffs I was like awww he’s gonna tell the kids he’s joking, oh man I was wrong
Lol whhaatt..
I reckon , he didn't do well in his History class ; Jesus exist !
Well...... hes right so
@Kairi Ali prove he isn't right. A book written by bearded men millenia ago is not proof.
Reality is all about perspective. Some people choose to ignore it and that's their perspective.
Red pill, blue pill essentially?
What's the quote? Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away? It's hard to deny the reality of a Mack truck crossing your path?
Kayfabe only bears truthiness because it is so thoroughly isolated from the screaming child that is teething. If you just believe hard enough, you will become that megastar everybody loves. Either that or your life is so inconsequential, it doesn't matter what you believe; the world moves on regardless.
It is anti-zen.
Well your arguing that humans have that capacity to understand objective reality in the first place, which our senses and brain power are not capable of.
No interpretation of gravity will free you from it. A working perspective must be based in fact, or it will cause needless suffering. That's what's scary about all this.
@@drhashtagyolo
And yet you understand that your perceptions/brain are limited perfectly well.
Thanks for helping me feel like I ain’t crazy .
It's just a feeling, bro.
Facts not feelings snowflake!
Music, wrestling, and politics. It’s all about entertainment and getting people to feel invested in the characters that are portrayed. So crazy how this hits it on the nail.
I knew a guy that never even considered wrestling could be fake. When I told him, I could actually observe his heart breaking.
Correct title: Rick Ross and The End of Reality - Wisecrack Edition
People often misinterpret Nietzsche, when he said that god was dead he meant that morally we have become corrupt. Absolute statements saying god isn't real is the reason I am agnostic, both sides act like they have a dog in the fight which leaves me confused, aren't we supposed to be looking for the truth instead of getting one up on each other on a question that will probably never be answered and has been debated by the greatest minds of our race. All I am saying is please, stop being so sure of yourself when denouncing god, I am not religious but it is kinda disrespectful, either that or I am getting the context all wrong (which I am hoping to be the case).
When Nietzsche said "God is dead," he wasn't talking about moral decline, but rather about how the Enlightenment had begun a shift away from the narrative of God. Up until the Enlightenment, Western civilization was basically Christian, but the rise of philosophical materialism made the idea of God seem much less viable. Whereas before God had been a way to justify Christian morality and had a plot of destiny for humans to situate themselves in, the Enlightenment figured out that humans evolved and that the natural world operates according to laws that we can figure out. Taking the stance of agnosticism because the "greatest minds" have already debated this is intellectually dishonest, and it gives too much credence to stories that people started to find flaws in a long time ago. Of course there will always be intelligent people that believe in God, because intelligent people aren't less prone to being terrified by the reality of nihilism.
Thank you! I totally agree with you Jordan! At least someone has some morals here!
Listen everyone... I don't care if your a religious or not; or even an atheist. But if you start taking trash about everybody that you're better than them because you're a christian, muslim, or even an atheist; the you truly have no morals in life and you are a total asshole! In the end, we are all humans! We make mistakes and can't be perfect.
I mean if you wanna believe in a guy who happens to be the son of God who has rose from the dead or even in a god, that is fine. Hell if you don't even believe in a god, that good to know too! I myself consider myself an agnostic like Jordan said. I do like to be logical; but I with so many mysteries and stuff in the world that no one can ever explain, even in a logical scientific fashion, I do also want to believe! I guess we will never know...
So, I cannot be sure that vampires and unicorns don't exist either?
I care little if it is "disrespectful" to your point of view of the world.
Its objectively wrong.
I won't feed into this delusion.
@Michael Bravo Me too, it's why I didn't bother responding.
I think this is a rather dangerous contention. Roughly, your position is that "fans" of wrestling know that wrestling is fake, but act as though it is real to be "part of the story" - they're effectively actors in what we might call "modern art." But this is entertainment; fiction.
Donald Trump and politicians present their claims as fact; not as characters presenting fact in some elaborate stage play. Consider the recent lawsuit by Stormy Daniels, who sued the president for defamation of character (or something) for calling her a liar; the judge ruled against her because although Donald Trump DID lie (about her being a liar) and did meet the legal definition of defamation of character; he did so as a politician, and therefore was part of the "normal" political hyperbole. This is to say that the judge's contention is that politicians are exempt from the normal presumption of truth-telling... because they lie so often.
But politicians ARE NOT ACTORS; they are not performing a stage play; they're supposed to be informing the population about their plans so that the population can make an informed judgement.
Racists don't vote for Donald Trump because they're "in on the joke," they vote for Donald Trump because they falsely believe he'll build a wall, that mexico will pay for it, that the wall will make them more safe, etc.
A democracy doesn't work if you can't trust people to tell the truth. Language doesn't even work if you can't assume that people will tell the truth. Worse; your contention here is that there is a group of people who legitimately don't believe Donald Trump is telling the truth, but act as though he is telling the truth, despite the clear negative side effects of this. This is a rather uncharitable interpretation of such individuals; one would have to be quite the asshole to sink a ship so you can laugh at the fellow passengers as they stare blankly at how you're such an idiot you just sunk the ship all the while saying "The ship's not sinking. That's not a shark. Look at all the food coloring that's floating around my torso on this dry, not sunk at all ship."
I think your last paragraph sums up the situation quite well.
Yeah, it really comes down to a fiction we play along with versus a fiction we've been presented as fact.
@@Calpsotoma For wrestling, not politics, right? For example, I was under no illusions that Hillary Clinton was always honest or a good person, but she was competent and knew things. Such an incredibly low bar that somehow the USA has failed.
Unfortunately there are people who are twisted enough to cut off their noses to spite their faces and then when a passerby says "Why did you cut off your nose, that makes no sense" they'll say "lol u triggered snowflake?" and will think the fact you care that they hurt themselves or care enough to be confused by their actions is in itself the most hilarious thing on Earth. I don't believe they're the majority of the ones who support the current "administration" but I do think by pretending to go along with it as legitimate supporters (for the lulz), they added to the illusion the campaign was making and contributed to people becoming marks and buying into what they were being sold.
@@darkeimp555 I think that a lot of people failed morally when they voted for Trump. Many voted for Trump because they're moral monsters wanting to harm others or willing to turn a blind eye to wrongdoing as a means to an end. Many more were, and are, merely suckers, believing what Trump says is true. But this is the information age, and Trump is the most obvious of liars, so anyone who believes Trump on anything is profoundly confused about the nature of "truth" or profoundly negligent.
Finally, it's worth nothing that many people refuse to admit that their past actions are moral failings. "It's not a lie, it's an exaggeration!" or "He's not really a racist, he's an idiot," or even "Trump is the lesser of two evils, because... uh... Hillary Clinton would raise taxes or something."
Cutting public education and allowing Fox news have enabled people to act systematically incompetently in a time where a simple google search would be able to demonstrate the falsity of pretty much everything Donald Trump has ever said or promised.
Characterizing such behavior as anything but widespread moral negligence and/or incompetence is dangerous. If you voted the boy who cried wolf into office... on purpose... you've done something wrong. Probably many, many things wrong.
So it's a lot like voyeurism, but everyone involved knows they're being watched. And even if they're not being watched by a voyeur they still act as if they are.
Makes sense. LOL
Like Big Brother...
So by being someone that go against mainstream, like hippies and hipsters. We are still living under the influence of the society and Kayfabe, within the system we desperately try to escape.
Does that means only way to breakaway from system is from within, living and understanding the system but knowing when and how it influence your life. So you can make true decisions base on your knowledge and experiences?
How does one live in system and outside the system at the same time? Or are we just destined to follow?
The counter-mainstream is just a knee jerk response as well, really. We seem pre-wired to sort ourselves according into binary oppositional groupings. Looking for a 'home team' to root for. But to answer your more important question. Yes. There is a way. Several ways in fact. But all of them require that you throw yourself off where the conceptual sidewalk ends, so to speak. It requires that you spend years building up to a moment you don't know when, in which the perceptual minds eye gives up the instinctive urge to build and seek patterns against blank surfaces, or faces in clouds. A moment when you look at your world mostly unfiltered with expectation. But it's a one way door. You can't "unsee" it. it never earns you freinds, puts you at odds with most everyone around you because you can't just autonomically participate in their individual little perceptual bubbles worlds anymore. People may tell you they want the truth, but that's a lie. What you ask requires you push the edge of psychosis, and then step back before it caims ya. Some don't. HMU if you relly wanna explore this.
hippies and hipsters ARE the new mainstream.
But I agree with what Brian Hirt has said. Its hard work, and being your own being, by a lot of introspection, high curiosity of life, self and all of it... not breaking mirrors when you see what you dont want to see of yourself. Not needing or being able to belong in a safe box, because you just cant. And so much more.. So in many ways...you have to be it and have strong character. You have to long for authenticity, sincerity, goodness , by being it first, and that makes you crave it in others. But like brian said, most wont ever dare to get that real..maybe until the last second of their life. And then bam..you are out of that matrix you held onto your whole cunty life.
But here we are..answering a non question.
Thuglife
Yeah the title of the video mentions Kanye, and the video talks about him a bit, but as an example, the video is not about Kanye, is about Kayfabe being integrated into media outside wrestling as a tool to manipulate or information consumption, but here you are being a bunch of drones focusing on Kayne West without even watching the video talking about unrelated bullshit feeling personally attacked for nothing.
RoarOfDamnation why the need to click bait can he not have faith in the quality of his content
The Nietzsche bit was pretty good. Even said "live your life Beyond Good and Evil". Good job.
THANK YOU!!! I've been explaining this to people for a while now but I didn't have the word "kayfabe" to use in explaining the false narrative preference. Wisecrack does it again!
Tbf...I've always known all of this, it makes me question everything, PC Culture, politics, sports etc. How much of it is deliberate, how much of it is kafabe
Yeah I've always wondered about it.
People fake emotions to be perceived as something everybody like( which we all do don't we)
It's all just an act
In childhood we try to exaggerate or lie to our friends about things which would make us look cool..
I think it's a built in thing I'm humans.
The difference is politics can kill what society believes in . Ever since Trump was going for the presidency until now , I saw the news media outlets go nuts on him , even far worse than what they said of George Bush (I'm not a fan of him either) , I started to not trust the media...and then it was applied to my country's politics too....now I feel sad . Haha.
>Kanye been doing this politics stuff since right before the 2016 election
>it's only gotten more intense
>this video gets posted 3 days ago
>Kanye suddenly retreats from politics completely
COINCIDENCE????
This is why I opted out, and gave up.
In this "reality" how can you not be a nihilist?
At this point I don't even care about nihilism.
@@armchairgravy5148 That is the true crowning jewel of Nihilism
Do the philosophy of Comunity!!!! You're late!!!
do philosophy of dragnet! youre late!!
Do the philosophy of A Modest Proposal. You're late.
@Wisecrack This very much reminds me of Michael Lewis' book The Undoing Project about Tversky-Kahneman hypothesis about the human mind.
In short and very simplisticly, as I understand it, their research prooved that people when they think they are thinking rationally most often are not and acctually are telling themselves a story of rationality so people are natural storytellers.
Petar Hršak the more that Tversky and Kahneman get mentioned in public discourse, the better!!
The "Mark" actually has no outlook on real or not. The Mark is in it for Emotional Supply. Their defence of the veracity of a clearly untrue narrative is because questioning the narrative threatens the source of their supply. A supply to which they have often built an addiction.
I just realized that this fortifies the idea that humans need stories to cooperate. Just like religion, the belief in a mutual cause brings people together. Their common cognitive bias bonds them and gets strengthened every time they praise it. They act out as if something is true, just as Christians act out as if god exists. This gives both groups certain advantages over others, namely tribal support and loyalty reassurance. These tight knit communities thrive and convert more and more people to their cause. Believing in false ideas is a simpler way of understanding reality and shows believers an seemingly easy way out of their temporal personal misery. Those metaphorical truths are useful for the moment and sometimes even enable delayed gratification when confined to the faithful group itself. To share common grounds with unknown people gave raise to civilizations in the past and those imagined orders now help groups that believe in obvious kayfabe to gain popularity.
Like suggesting Gender is Fluid. Kayfabe.
I think Colbert called this truthiness.
I've been catching whatever I can of his Colbert Report show on TH-cam for the past months. Sometimes I forget he's talking about Bush and the show ended several years ago already, it's so relevant still.
The bit about feelings being truer than facts is so relevant. A lot of people feel like violent crime is out of control, even though it's basically the lowest it's ever been. I also had a friend move to Detroit and tell me she "feels" safer there than where she was before, even though Detroit has like double the murder and violent crime rate.
Politicians definitely makes use of that too, like Trump and the whole caravan thing. He was making people feel like there's an invasion coming, even though they're still super far away and not really a threat at all.
"While Santa Claus is a lie, so is God." Thank you Jared. Telling the kids what they gotta know.
I cant agree to that but I love yu anyways
It’s impossible to know either way at this point in time; to say otherwise is silly. Agnostic is the only honest way to go
@@dr.lyleevans6915 the theist and the atheist
@@dr.lyleevans6915 the theist has no PHYSICAL PROOF but the atheist cannot disprove it
Nathanael Wade Well, I suppose atheists would argue there is an inherent flaw when the phrase “you can’t disprove a negative” comes to play in a philosophical equation.
On the other hand, a theist etc. may argue that signs are all around us.
I can see the beauty in either. I used to be an admitted atheist, but never completely ruled out the existence of a higher power (if that makes sense?). Now I am agnostic, due to some personal experiences that my empirical/analytical/utilitarianism/skeptic-based mind can’t grasp, along with a general observation that certain (premeditated, so as to rule out cognitive biases) events happen with far more frequency than any explanations would account for. I’m just not sure what the nature power is.
My salient point is that no one can know for sure
Man, this video’s almost a perfect analysis of Don Quixote!
Don Quixote lived in his own kayfabe.
Dude, thank you. I have been telling people for years that politics is theatrics and drama - entertainment, but entertainment that pseudo-intellectuals insist is important.
This video is way more about professional wrestling than Kanye. Might wanna rethink your title.
Brian Collins the videos about kayfabe not Kanye or professional wrestling...might want to rethink your comment
I'd recommend you keep re-watching the video until you delete your comment
dude if in a conversation you cannot spot the mark, is probably you
What if the title was to get fools like you to understand how easily you're being manipulated?
Kanye is inspiring
Such a stretch, I love that
Lmaoo love the “subtle” comment while Alex Jones is literally ripping his shirt off his body
Santa is real please fact check next time
3:15 just for that you can take my upvote Wisecrack. Reminded me of what Jim Jefferies said:
Now, imagine that… the world is a train track and society is a train. As society has always had to do, the train has to move forward. ‘Cause if it stops moving forward, we’ll run out of resources around the train ’cause we’ll be stationary. And the gears will lock up, and the vines will take over. So it has to keep going forward. Now, in this train, we have the people in the engine room, who are running the show. And those people in our society who run the show are scientists. These are the people inventing medicines for you to live longer, and surgeries for you to live longer and finding alternative fuel sources. And engineers that are making machines that run more efficiently. Right? Now, all those people are scientists. Now, whether you like it or not, scientists are primarily atheists. And they’re in the front carriage, dragging us along.
Now, in the second carriage, we have a bunch of cunts that I don’t think get fucking enough flak. Agnostics. These fucking wishy-washy fucks. [audience laughing] They’re all standing around in the second carriage, going, “Who knows? Maybe there is a god. Maybe there isn’t a god. Maybe your god and your god are the same god, but… I know there was a Big Bang, but who made the Big Bang? I wouldn’t consider myself, you know, religious, but I am spiritual.”
And… then there’s this last carriage, and the last carriage is 50 times bigger than the other two carriages combined. And it’s carrying the rest of the population of the human race. And it’s filled with cunts wearing hats for reasons they don’t know and growing beards because they think they have to. Some of the women are covering their faces and cowering. Everyone’s dancing around going, “Man on a cloud. Man on a cloud.” And there are so many of these cunts that the train is hardly fucking moving! And the people in the engine room are like this… [sighing] “If I just pull this peg here… [audience laughing] [inaudible] do you know how fast we’d be moving?”
*- Online transcript of Jim Jefferies' brilliant Netflix Special "Freedumb".*
I worked on the sets of many rap music videos right after high school...the shoots had fancy cars. Sexy girls and guys with bottles of champagne...the end product looked like a dream of the good life...but during the break the dancers put on sweatpants and studied for their exams. The bottles were full of ginger ale because most of the cast didn't drink and the rappers complained that the shoot was taking too long and they needed to get home to have dinner with their kids. I thought I was getting the dream job..turned out to be I was at work like everybody else. Since then I watch everything on screen as a form of entertainment and advertising rolled into one.
Except whether or not I get to have health care isn't based on who wins the Thunderdome XXII or whatever.
@Shaun B But Wisecrack is telling you that IT IS.
@ Except even as a software developer making 80k a year my healthcare, its availability, and it's quality. Additionally what about people unable to work from an injury of some kind? Should the very people who need health care not be able to have it because they aren't "earning" it right this second? This is the squabbling I am talking about. The bottom line is it isn't a game, and people will suffer and die, who don't otherwise have to. Some people are OK with that. Other people profit form the state things are in. Either way, it is a distraction, but not entertainment. Even as they use the trappings that make entertainment successful.
It might as well be.
@@pyrodante Have you considered that the solution to your problem isn't to provide health care for free, but instead to deregulate health care and let market forces lower the price of said health care?
Wow!! I've just come across your channel and just been blow away by the genius writing and presentation of your videos. This video i feel is very deep and important, it will be such a life changer for many if you were to do a longer version with more examples of the deception created by the music and political industry. a mini documentary will be amazing! Thank you so much for merging education and entertainment. i wish one day highschools and universities will be more like this channel. lots of praise from New Zealand
Came for the Kanye clickbait, stayed for the Kanye content I never actually got.
Kayfabe for entertainment ok. But for news and politics? Please stop the insanity!
I wonder if I bought into fight club so hard because of this. This gave me a lot to think about.
Street business gives you the fundamentals of how corporations operate.
High school drama gives you a glimpse into what happens behind the closed doors of Congress.
Fandoms for your local sports teams show you how political parties function.
i've always wondered when alex jones would make the transition into professional wrestling..
With thunderous applause
this is probably my favourite video you guys have made, and you did a lot of great work.
everything i love is a lie now
Who's here after he decided to run for US President 2020?
Hahahaha
Fantastic. Gives us entertaining language and metaphors to use when discussing how language and discussion have become entertainment. I love it
*Wrestling and The End of Reality
Reminds me of the patriots in mgs2
This video is so awesome and relevant. Thank you so much for producing and uploading it! ^_^
You had a clip of Eric Andre, you should do a video on him and surrealist humor
Reality is dying for idiots. The rest of us can recognize an obvious lie as fake just fine, like we can recognize wrestling as obviously fake.
Entertaining doesn't equal truth and I don't know how someone above the age of 10 could think otherwise. I mean, I like watching movies and playing video games, still, I would never think that they're real.
that's the thing - most people are idiots, are you so naively blind not to realize?
You're overestimating most people and your comment is very ignorant. People get fooled all the time and sometimes not even those who are above average can tell when a lie is being told because they are not exposed to enough evidence. Lies can be very effective.
@@vibraniumshield7383 maybe I didn't make it clear enough what I meant, so let me try again: the whole point of this video is that people nowadays are not only fooled by convincing lies, but that they also willingly believe in blatant lies because doing so has some kind of entertainment value apparently. So, by equating entertainment with truth people voluntarily make fools out of themselves, just because they want to believe in a certain entertaining narrative. The ones telling the lies don't even have to try that hard, all they have to do is to insist on the narrative.
All I was trying to say is that only idiots would believe in a narrative solely for the reason that the narrative is entertaining. That's just not how reality works and the conceptual differences between entertainment and truth are not that hard to grasp.
My parents, I have watched them de-evolve... in the close future I expect them to be flat earthers... they question only information not from their kayfabe bubble... they are truly cultists.
This video is brilliant, please make more content like this, please please. So clear and true!
Would have been great to mention MF DOOM who is probably the most kayfabe musical artist...
As a weekly viewer of WWE for many years, I believe that wrestling is the last greatest form of theatre. I have studied the psychology of kayfabe and the "backstage" reasoning of why they(WWE creative) choose to send certain messages with certain characters. With Trump being president, it has brought an interest of American politics to me and I've found a striking similarity between wrestling kayfabe and new American politics. Trump is playing with the uneducated American people (there are many more people uneducated than you think) like silly puddy. Using emotion, inciting fear, creating false narratives, and by doing so he is dividing the country. Trump does not care for the people he has to step on and eliminate for him to carry out a narrative asked by the true world leaders. When I say "true world leaders" I am talking about the people in the shadows, the people who quite frankly have the ultimate power. They understand that to get what they want (public acknowledgment worldwide, with power and control) they will take baby steps and matter how long it takes. Which by the way, we're about to see something big in less than 80 years, be prepared. Their plan is going correctly and is on schedule. People please wake up, please see and acknowledge what is happening for what it is and not what they want you to believe. It may be entertaining but this is our lives they're playing with and we need to stop the hanus actions immediately.
No politician has ever cared about inciting fear, creating false narratives, using emotion, and dividing the country, so long as they divide it 51/49 and they get the 51.
And AI will make all this even worse.
3:20 Wtf was that
*N I E T Z S C H E*, the flyest nihilist
@Michael Klump that's because they said he isn't real rather than that he's dead. My grandfather's dead, but does that make him not real? Well, that's a whole different discussion.
I think it's just a joke of subverted expectations. You expect 'don't worry little viewer, Santa actually is real', but instead he demolishes their world view entirely. It would have landed better if they completely embraced cosmic nihilism afterwards rather than presenting it as truth since whether it's true or not is irrelevant to the video.
Unless... THAT might be a joke on kayfabe. "In this universe we built on this channel, the truth is that God isn't real".
Since those with the claim should provide the evidence, sane atheists don't claim there is no God, they just don't see sufficient evidence. "I don't believe in god" vs "There is no god". Wisecrack is smart enough to know this so the only conclusion is that it's a multi-layered joke.
@@psd993 hey I understood that reference!
Its called the truth, some don't appreciate it.
Comedy gold