There's an entire list of places where children were being sexually abused. Shall I mention just one? Rotherham? They new for 10 F@ing years. Even arrested a girls dad who tried to stop her getting raped.
No consolation but the people now in charge of investing these offenders in the area are now far better and motivated to handle cases like this. A close family member of mine is part of that new team and she is relentless going after people like that.
14 , 17 yrs for the women that assisted in the rape of their own kids???? And he got 29 with possibility of parole??? The system is trash. All this makes me sick🤮
What I don't agree with is that the women have been granted anonymity. They may have been groomed by him to a degree but they are also serious criminals in all this, they aren't blameless victims
@@rorz999 oh come on! The reason they havent been named is because if you name them, in doing so you'll name the babies. And they need to remain anonymous. Poor little mites. 😢
As a Welshman, I've never warmed too much to what was a local-ish band. Watkins always come off in interviews as a twat and people I've spoken to have described him as an utter prick - and that was before he was charged. I used to work with someone with links to the prison service and apparently he's missing some teeth nowadays. I can only hope someone inside performed a national service and removed them using blunt force
The missing teeth are interesting. People have been repeating that he's had no trouble in prison up till now. You will have heard he's now been taken prisoner by convicted killers in HMP Wakefield, stabbed in the neck, and is now fighting for his life as of August 2023.
@@donaldsalkovick396 I know someone who works in the prison service(is quite high up) I actually ran into him when he was back in Wales visiting his folks one Christmas, I asked him as a joke "did you ever see Watkins since?" he responded "dont go there" apparently dealing with someone like him is the bane of his life because he has to be in protective custody all the time. Well look what happened recently and that was in a protective custody wing.
Ian is unimaginably unholy but I’ll never understand that there were women who literally can’t get over their fan devotion and are totally cool with their idol being an abhorrent pedophile to actively continue to try and still want to talk with him.
@@LoveAngelesMusic yeah that’s crazy idk how a parent could ever do that. A person could put 1 trillion dollars in front of me to have their way with my kid and I would kick that person’s ass for even saying that and after I kicked that person’s ass I would call the cops to tell them that person is a pedo. I hope the women that let him rape their kids went to prison too that’s the most fucked up thing you can do.
@@LoveAngelesMusic My head logic is they were very or relatively young mothers that never intended on being mothers. Irresponsible and still impressionable baby mommas basically, that had a fragile selfish disconnection from their child (if they were, not sure on the identities).
Just saw a case, where someone killed a person, and got 80 years. Not defending the murderer at all. Just saying, why didn't Ian get at least that as well?
Yep.. that’s exactly why Watkins did what he did. Elite circles, nothing’s off limits. We live in Sodom and Gomorrah. God would drown us all again if he could.
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early.
@@davidclarke4301 I just remember being stood next to scott from midasuno by the bar he tells me to turn around as I do I see a fist flying towards Ian's head, I also remember magzy getting bungled out of the fire exit by the bouncers before the old bill showed up.
Put that creep with the other inmates so they can give him the punishment he truly deserves. Same with the women that were involved. So disgusting that women write to him are they that desperate.
I heard that they put pedals together because they don’t want them to kill them. I heard there’s actually I know actually I know for a fact there is separate why I don’t know how it is in Europe, but I know they have separate facilities just for pedals because they don’t want the inmates to kill the people serving sentences.
Just FYI, Jamie Oliver was not the band's "friend". He was actually another member of the band - he was their keyboardist/DJ and also did backing vocals.
Honestly. This whole case is literally so bad that it looks like he was framed. If you wrote a script on how to make someone the most hated person ever this would be it. It’s unbelievable that this happened and that’s probably why this isnt even a bigger deal. You literally can’t even write down exactly what happened, you can go to jail for just saying what this dude did.
Ian Watkins is a distrubing individual and it's a shame that I can no longer comfortably listen to their first record; that being one of my favorite and the most influential records i've ever heard. If there is a God, i hope there is justice soon. The world doesn't need Ian Watkins or anyone like him.
@@LoveAngelesMusic considering that he was sentenced to 29 years in prison, with eligibility for parole after 2/3 served, in 2013. He could be out in as little as 10 years time. I'm not aware of any further time being added for his attempts at grooming a young woman from prison in 2017, although by rights he should have had more years added to his sentence because of this. Due to the fact that he's clearly not showing remorse or rehabilitating considering the grooming behaviour while incarcerated, I am hoping that it proves to the parole board that he's unsuitable for parole, in which case he would be in his mid-60s by the time he's released, assuming that he's still alive by that time. The guy has proven himself to be a truly disgusting individual with absolutely no sense of morality or conscience and shouldn't be allowed to see the outside of the prison walls ever again.
You took the words right out of my mouth. That first record was so different and influential. It’s a shame that it will forever be tarnished by that disgusting pedophile.
I never knew him or his band. I randomly found this video. Tears rolling down my face thinking about those poor kids and how the fucking useless police should be held responsible for not following up on the reports. I have a 4 year old girl, thinking about if something like this happened to her....let's just say the police wouldn't have a chance to arrest them. And if I found out they knew and was lazy and did nothing.....they would pay as well. Kids are defenceless, they can't protect themselves. They depend on adults to keep them safe. Once you become a parent this kind of protective thing happens where when you see someone who can't defend themselves being hurt you feel the need to step up regardless of who it is. This breaks my heart and I pray these kids find some kind of peace.
It's the South Wales Police. Like the Gwent Police they are useless when it comes to real crimes. They are as woke as the Met Police and would rather go after people for thought crimes.
When people swear to god his band mates knew. They lived in different countries and never hung out. Plus, Ian was smart enough to not announce he was ASSAULTING BABIES to his band mates. Surely one of them would have an objection and speak out if they knew.
They must have had some suspicions at least. Maybe not to the degree. But if someone is a horrible person. Little things slip out when talking to them.
It just goes to show that no matter how much you think that you know somebody, it’s what they behind closed door and out of view that defines them, but unless you’re part of it, how would you know?
He is definitely and obviously a monster. But in the court description, the mothers of some of the kids abused the babies at his request. Surely that is a worse offence? But they got lighter sentences?
It is worse in some respects but I think the lighter sentences were because there was evidence he groomed/manipulated the mothers. I still think their sentences were too light though
dude theres people sitting in prison fo life or for way longer for non violent drug crimes and probably other less messed up crap and he gets parole when hes close to 50 wtf
The Police have through their inaction and dismissivness, their ineptitude and arrogance, aided and abetted Watkins' abuse of those children. Like in any organisation, the integrity of its function relies on the personalities staffing its services, the Police is no different, the statutes, laws, procedures, evidence, requirements for a prosecution, all of it was in place, everything necessary to investigate, arrest and charge Watkins and put him Infront of a Judge and Jury in a Court, was there, it was just a "personality", a particular mindset, which kept that from happening.
I don’t know why someone like this would even be given the option of parole. Seriously, why would you consider putting him back on the streets? Oh, he won’t be allowed to work with children? Cool, he didn’t work with children before and yet still had access to them to abuse so I fail to see how he’d struggle to find more children to abuse once he’s out.
He will probably never be granted parole. But it's strange that he didn't get a whole life sentence in the first place. Like, if what he did isn't bad enough to warrant a whole life sentence then I don't know what is. I guess because he didn't kill anyone, is the only reason I can think of
In Finland people get anywhere from 0 to 6 years for child abuse related crimes and r*pes, only a few cases have had someone get 10 years(that takes ALOT). Almost all get out after serving half. +Young people get pretty much nothing for violent crimes which is why people move here and constantly do crimes, they know that they get away with nothing🙁 If I could I'd move away from this "understanding"sh*t of a country.
I saw Lostprophets at V fest in 2011 and I can't lie, it was some of the most fun I've had at a gig to date. Ian Wantkids is an absolute scumbag though and I haven't been able to listen to a single song of theirs since as a result of that. Shame.
I remember really liking their Rooftops song back in the day. I totally forgot about them until I did this video. They are banned from Spotify so I haven’t listened to them since.
Since when did a drug bust become more important than children suffering in the eyes of the police? This is something that needs to be remedied like immediately people should be absolutely outraged and demand that we’re paying our police force to do something they should be more focused on child suffering than on drugs drugs are not nothing in comparison to a child suffering.
Over 10 years on from his conviction, I'm very surprised he hasn't been charged with anything else. There was a lot of talk at the time about numerous potential other offences/ victims. I wonder if work on other cases is still ongoing. I wouldn't ever want to see him back out on the street again, he's too dangerous.
He did get charged with something else. He was hiding a phone in his anus and got 10 extra months added to his sentence, and a 5 month delay on eligibility for parole. True story. Look it up.
That's a really good point actually, it is surprising that more cases haven't been brought against him, but maybe a fair amount has happened behind the scenes that we don't know of. I'd imagine there is a lack of evidence for a lot of the things he did in the pre-smartphone era, especially sleeping with teenage girls on the tour bus etc
It’s infuriating to know that most of these children would not have been SAed, had police took action from the start! THEY WEREN’T EVEN BORN YET!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
When I saw that Waltkins did that when I discovered Lostprophets,my middle childhood was ruined back then(because I listened to the song To Hell we Ride on Need for Speed Underground). Ian,you should be ashamed of yourself.
There were paving slabs with the lyrics from the song “streets of nowhere “ placed on the towns Main Street of Pontypridd before all this got out,,they were calls to get them removed and trashed.They were removed.The police also found extreme images of animal pornography on his PC. He also dated presenter Fearne Cotton in 2005 while he already seeing another girlfriend.
"Worst singer ever" is a misleading title, because it's not his ability to sing that has even been the issue Truth is, the fact that he was a talented and charismatic rock frontman made him all the more insidious for his horrendous sex crimes against young children People couldn't believe it when the news broke about him being a paedophile because on the surface he doesn't fit the stereotype of what people think a paedophile is And that in and of itself teaches an important lesson
Well in the end I mention that very point about him being the worst singer in terms of evil and not ability. But I never knew this about him until recently. It was so crazy to hear all this
@@lewisb85 It was because the children of the two women arrested with Watkins would be able to find out later that their mothers sexually abused them if they had been named.
This dude is as evil as they come, when charlie did his video on him I read those conversations he had with that woman about abusing the baby and let me tell you what that shit will leave you baffled; This guy is a monster from hell.
I know. I first heard of him through Charlie. But I also used to listen to them back on the day. I read those conversations. There are way more but I didn’t want to put them into the video as they are way too much and I feel you don’t need them to get the point across
@@LoveAngelesMusic they were a band who's name i remembered, but music not so much, but one of their singles I hve heard before when I was younger, I'm more of a fan of bands like at the drive in, fugazi, sunny day, rise against etc.. but ian is a sick mf, the dude is completely gone.
That statement from Mark Lamarr on Never Mind the Buzzcocks was eerie, given what we know now. It was the same with Jimmy Saville. People knew something was going on, but they continued to hide in plain sight and get away with their crimes.
That’s terrible. Ya it makes it so much worse when these people are rich and famous and it goes on so much longer just because they are famous and no one wants to say anything
Hope the family all of this victims put a lawsuit for not investigate all those info.and those parents that allowed him abuse of those kids should be put in jail and trow away the key
Great coverage of this. Although not sure if the comments section pointed this out yet-you flashed an image of Mike Lewis when talking about the quote from Stu. Just a heads up :)
Start Something was one of my favorite albums ever back when it came out. My very first band even covered "make a move" back in 2005... I liked it so much that I tried to find some worth in their following records in denial of how hard they sold out and got boring but it was such a shock to find this out. I saw them live mere months before this news dropped and even I could notice the extreme disconnect between him and his bandmates. For the first time since that news dropped all these years later, a couple months ago I tried the whole "separate the art from the artist" thing and see if I could enjoy it again but nope. I felt gross the whole time. Especially since I myself have a daughter. Ian did his fans so dirty. I don't believe that his bandmates knew though.
Ya it’s very hard to separate this person from the art. Depends on the crimes they committed. I did like rooftops. But it always reminds me of this act he did now
Speaking strictly from a musical angle, Start Something is one of those rare albums where every song is good and the album flows perfectly (a la Dark Side of the Moon, Pet Sounds, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Not in the same league as those albums when it comes to the strength of the material, but in terms of flow it measures up). Afterward, Lostprophets basically sold out to the teen scene and never were that good again. There is no defending Watkins. What he did is abhorrent. But I will defend The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something in a few ways. Watkins behaviour took a dark turn AFTER the band achieved mega success. And most importantly, those records required the creative input of all members of the band to create. Watkins could not have done it on his own. What I would like to see is if someone would be brave enough to fully re-record Start Something and upload it to TH-cam. Like some people have done with St Anger to improve the sound. If Watkins voice was not on the recording, then I'm sure many original fans who were there at the time, like yourself, would be able to face listening to those songs again. A creator named Narokath fully re-recorded Rooftops and uploaded it, and the response he got was overwhelmingly positive. It made a song that meant so much to teens of the 2000's listenable again
@@billyb8356 When speaking of these albums and their flow, I must add my favorite album of all time that seamlessly flowed through 21 flawless tracks...1997s transistor from 311.
I loved the Lostprohets in their prime.. saw them many times from their early days at the barfly in camden to headlining Reading... you would never have Guessed Watkins demise at his peak.
He was messing with a prostitute who he showed images and i believe this is the woman but she kept going to the police and she over and over and over and over even begged his mom to help her his mom didnt and yes this is the woman isnt that sick af she tried kept in contact jjust so she could bust him those police need to all be in prison
As the grandfather of a beautiful 9 month old girl I would beat this sick clown within an inch of his life. I'd probably have an argument with my son her dad as to who got first dibs. TBH ANYone who does this to a child deserves the severest treatment.
Maybe the baby lied about its age or had fake ID.... What's so surprising about this guy getting stabbed in prison with his crimes I'm surprised he made it 24 hours
I despair I really do I Can't believe cops care more about drug possession than child *ape Also I Can't believe he's still alive I used to enjoy the bands music but not anymore I had no idea who I was listening to until someone flat out told me in disgust and rightfully so I stopped listening to his music I don't even want to hear his voice ever again.
Makes you wonder what has to go on in your childhood to make you such a twisted freak.Part of it is likely genetic mental disease, but at least part must be nurture. Substance abuse never helps, but most likely it just made him uninhibited enough to get sloppy and arrogant enough to expose such socio pathy. It's important to remember that some of the very same traits and qualities that propel people to financial success or celebrity can have the darkest as possible motivations .
Not to defend Ian in any way, I have to wonder if he suffered abuse when he was a child and didn't tell anyone. Or maybe that's my brain trying to make me rationalise this
Back in the day I used to open for bands locally. I've opened for a lot of metal and hardcore bands in bars and amphitheatres. I remember eating a pizza with George Fisher after opening for Cannibal Corpse. I remember going to get whataburger with Haste the Day. I remember meeting CJ from Drowning Pool when they were with Ryan McCombs. But I can't remember whose roadie told me this, but they said that there is a massive underground ring of pedophiles that protect other pedophiles. He said it contains actors, politicians, princes, police forces, government entities, so on. I thought he was nuts. Btw, Epstein didn't kill himself.....
They should no longer be mentioned any more he was a pedophilie who abused babies and young children absolutely appalling. One very sick and disturbed person
I listen to crime podcasts while working as a driver and one night i listened to a podcast about watkins. Due to the severity I have really shitty feelings everytime I drive in those places I was that night while listening. So disturbing
Their first album was genuinely great... that being said, I cannot listen to it ever again. It makes me sick to my stomach hearing Ian's voice and having the knowledge of what he did.
I know the feeling. I have tried to go back and listen. Even trying my best to separate the art from the artist. Within a minute I just hit stop and feel disgusted.
I might have know the bloody church would be involved at some point. It'd be interesting to look at the police officers who decided not to act/investigate the previous allegations. Were they fans of the band? Did they know him personally? Were they from the same town/village as him? Etc.
Saw them with linkin park in 2003 in Manchester when he signed my ticket and 2004 at reading festival but didn’t see them live since then even though I had no idea of this side of him etc
@@hypocrisyisnotbetterthancaring yeah; that’s the big problem with Paedophiles in Prison. They get protected. Shame really. I’d prefer they get to him on a daily basis & make his life hell. Instead we protect these sick evil f*cks from harm. Crazy when you think about it.
Good documentary man. I remember me and a buddy getting hard into lostprophets after hearing them on Spanish mtv, we were military brats in Puerto Rico at the start of our music obsession, one of our first alternative music experiences. They got pretty big, wasn’t into the later stuff, then years later hearing about this happening. It was so violating, years of this man’s voice in my ears. Does anyone have any insight on why? Was he abused? It’s crazy how he’s like the ultimate predator, doesn’t look at all like the average pedophile. Jesus it’s like he was in the most perfect position for his sickness.
Unfortunately he may be able to apply for release in 2029.. but he’ll still be on license till the full 35 years are up, around 2048.. but being rich and famous he’ll probably just disappear to some sunny place and carry on being a nonce.. they should just let the other prisoners deal with him before he can get out.
Not that it really matters since its more about Ian, but The bassist is Stuart Richardson, the photo is Mike Lewis their rhythm guitarist also Jamie Oliver was part of the band when he had to sing, he did turntables and backing vocals
If you like and enjoy the music, you are allowed to listen to it, i just wouldn’t go around promoting them. And if you cant get passed the voice thats also fine. U shouldn’t feel horrible about it, also you already bought the music as did millions of others so ur good there. Enjoy it or dont there isnt a wrong answer
I still listen to LostProphets. I love their songs, but I just don't like Ian. I still think that the whole band didn't had to pay the price for Ian's actions. Lee Gaze co-founded LP and could've had full ownership of the band and would've looked for a new singer. Too bad that Joanne Mjadzelics' warning was ignored cuz she was doing the right thing in bringing down Ian's reign of terror, but the idiot cops ignored her.😤😤😤😤😤😤
The police should be held to account! They could have saved these poor kids!
I know 😞
There's an entire list of places where children were being sexually abused. Shall I mention just one? Rotherham? They new for 10 F@ing years. Even arrested a girls dad who tried to stop her getting raped.
yeah, that part got me worked...
No consolation but the people now in charge of investing these offenders in the area are now far better and motivated to handle cases like this. A close family member of mine is part of that new team and she is relentless going after people like that.
they protect pedophiles
14 , 17 yrs for the women that assisted in the rape of their own kids???? And he got 29 with possibility of parole??? The system is trash. All this makes me sick🤮
Agreed, I'm against capitol punishment, but they should never be allowed out and should basically sit in a room alone for the rest of their lives
What I don't agree with is that the women have been granted anonymity. They may have been groomed by him to a degree but they are also serious criminals in all this, they aren't blameless victims
I'd be waiting for the day he walks out of prison
@@rorz999 oh come on! The reason they havent been named is because if you name them, in doing so you'll name the babies. And they need to remain anonymous. Poor little mites. 😢
As a Welshman, I've never warmed too much to what was a local-ish band. Watkins always come off in interviews as a twat and people I've spoken to have described him as an utter prick - and that was before he was charged. I used to work with someone with links to the prison service and apparently he's missing some teeth nowadays. I can only hope someone inside performed a national service and removed them using blunt force
He was missing teeth before he went to prison. Certain drugs (meth, crack) are very bad for your teeth!
The missing teeth are interesting. People have been repeating that he's had no trouble in prison up till now. You will have heard he's now been taken prisoner by convicted killers in HMP Wakefield, stabbed in the neck, and is now fighting for his life as of August 2023.
@@mariannehancock8282thankfully he survived. Survived so they can do it all again. Fix him up and send him back in to Gen pop.
There's an argument for him staying alive and having a shitty time, too.
Makes me want to become a prison guard just so I could get fired for releasing him to the general prison population.
You sound so cool and tough
@@donaldsalkovick396 And you sound like you're sympathizing with a pedo.
@@donaldsalkovick396 I know someone who works in the prison service(is quite high up) I actually ran into him when he was back in Wales visiting his folks one Christmas, I asked him as a joke "did you ever see Watkins since?" he responded "dont go there" apparently dealing with someone like him is the bane of his life because he has to be in protective custody all the time. Well look what happened recently and that was in a protective custody wing.
Ian is unimaginably unholy but I’ll never understand that there were women who literally can’t get over their fan devotion and are totally cool with their idol being an abhorrent pedophile to actively continue to try and still want to talk with him.
It’s even more crazy these women gave their children to him. Horrible.
@@LoveAngelesMusic yeah that’s crazy idk how a parent could ever do that. A person could put 1 trillion dollars in front of me to have their way with my kid and I would kick that person’s ass for even saying that and after I kicked that person’s ass I would call the cops to tell them that person is a pedo. I hope the women that let him rape their kids went to prison too that’s the most fucked up thing you can do.
@@LoveAngelesMusic My head logic is they were very or relatively young mothers that never intended on being mothers. Irresponsible and still impressionable baby mommas basically, that had a fragile selfish disconnection from their child (if they were, not sure on the identities).
@steven milstead Let's not forget that the offender is a man.
They're idiots, and the world is full of them. This guy should never be released.
Even the idea of releasing him someday is sickening, i cannot understand how the law works. He should not be able to walk free as long as he lives
I know it’s so gross.
Oh he's deffo going to get shanked in prison at some point. At least I hope so.
Agree. Scary how he could be released within the next 10 years from now. Parents better hide their kids once his parole starts.
Just saw a case, where someone killed a person, and got 80 years. Not defending the murderer at all. Just saying, why didn't Ian get at least that as well?
The UK is a bit too lenient on serious offenders.
This is the exact same thing that happened with Jimmy Saville. Basically, you can get away with all kinds of evil as long as you are famous enough.
Or have enough hush money
@@fionahamilton7231 equates to the same thing
Yep.. that’s exactly why Watkins did what he did. Elite circles, nothing’s off limits. We live in Sodom and Gomorrah. God would drown us all again if he could.
Except it's not since Watkins didn't get away with it ...
@@jedaaa he did for a long time though. It's not like something was done straight away
You'll still find many women online praising Ian, trying to downplay his twisted actions, and villifying Joanne. It's really sad and disturbing.
Usually mid 30s mentally unstable aging emo girls who can’t get over 2006
Actually IW is vile and should never be released. However, I don't find Joanne to be innocent
A true story to lighten the mood, I used to live in Cardiff and a few months before Watkins got arrested I was in a nightclub called Bogiez (which was the local rock club). Also in there was a guy called Magzy who played guitar for a few of the local hardcore bands. Watkins walks in and then out of no where a slightly inebriated Magzy lunges for and beats down Watkins. A few years later we joked/theorized that Magzy had a premonition of what Ian had done so got his shots in early.
That’s crazy. I’m glad that guy is behind bars now
There was rumours in 2004 when I saw them at great hall in the uni but being 14 year olds we took them as rumours.
Send magzy to wakefield.
I'd always thought that fight was over a girl. I didn't see who Magzy was whaling on but he looked pissed off. Now I know why.
@@davidclarke4301 I just remember being stood next to scott from midasuno by the bar he tells me to turn around as I do I see a fist flying towards Ian's head, I also remember magzy getting bungled out of the fire exit by the bouncers before the old bill showed up.
Thank you for not censoring, good to see there's still some youtubers with balls out there
Ya it won’t get monetized with ads but i figured it’s best to say what actually happened
These cops should’ve been fired or sued because if you don’t do your job as an officer, those two things can happen to you
Put that creep with the other inmates so they can give him the punishment he truly deserves. Same with the women that were involved. So disgusting that women write to him are they that desperate.
Um, apparently it's happened. He's fighting for his life after being stabbed by other inmates.
@@mariannehancock8282 I was hoping for quadraspazzed on a life glug but it didn't happen.
I heard that they put pedals together because they don’t want them to kill them. I heard there’s actually I know actually I know for a fact there is separate why I don’t know how it is in Europe, but I know they have separate facilities just for pedals because they don’t want the inmates to kill the people serving sentences.
The bassist was so angry, after beating him up he had to get off the bus to throw up. Yeah he was very angry at him.
Source of info?
Every cop involved who did nothing should have lost their fucking job
100%
He said in the video that most of them were retired so they couldn't be disciplined. Unfortunately!
Just FYI, Jamie Oliver was not the band's "friend". He was actually another member of the band - he was their keyboardist/DJ and also did backing vocals.
Thanks for the clarification
What about James Corden?
His laptop password was ifukkids
So gross 🤮
Honestly. This whole case is literally so bad that it looks like he was framed. If you wrote a script on how to make someone the most hated person ever this would be it. It’s unbelievable that this happened and that’s probably why this isnt even a bigger deal. You literally can’t even write down exactly what happened, you can go to jail for just saying what this dude did.
That's what mine was for the longest time. Had to change it because it was so frequent
How would you know that ? Part of the same group probably you nonce.
🤢
Ian Watkins is a distrubing individual and it's a shame that I can no longer comfortably listen to their first record; that being one of my favorite and the most influential records i've ever heard.
If there is a God, i hope there is justice soon. The world doesn't need Ian Watkins or anyone like him.
I still can’t believe at some point he is getting out of prison
@@LoveAngelesMusic considering that he was sentenced to 29 years in prison, with eligibility for parole after 2/3 served, in 2013. He could be out in as little as 10 years time. I'm not aware of any further time being added for his attempts at grooming a young woman from prison in 2017, although by rights he should have had more years added to his sentence because of this. Due to the fact that he's clearly not showing remorse or rehabilitating considering the grooming behaviour while incarcerated, I am hoping that it proves to the parole board that he's unsuitable for parole, in which case he would be in his mid-60s by the time he's released, assuming that he's still alive by that time.
The guy has proven himself to be a truly disgusting individual with absolutely no sense of morality or conscience and shouldn't be allowed to see the outside of the prison walls ever again.
Oh there certainly is a God and where Watkins is heading is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than ANYTHING he could suffer in this life.
You took the words right out of my mouth. That first record was so different and influential. It’s a shame that it will forever be tarnished by that disgusting pedophile.
Yeah look how long Gary glitter got away with it. And Arenas email still play his music that's a three time convicted pedophile
The u.k justice system cared more for the guy having a phone in prison than the fact that he molested a 10 month old. Shit's crazy man.
I know. He should get life imo
the UK justice system is broken, Police protect pedophiles more so than the victims of their vile and nauseating acts.
@@LoveAngelesMusic The justice system doesn't care as long as you can pay them lots of money and you will get away with it.
I never knew him or his band. I randomly found this video. Tears rolling down my face thinking about those poor kids and how the fucking useless police should be held responsible for not following up on the reports. I have a 4 year old girl, thinking about if something like this happened to her....let's just say the police wouldn't have a chance to arrest them. And if I found out they knew and was lazy and did nothing.....they would pay as well. Kids are defenceless, they can't protect themselves. They depend on adults to keep them safe. Once you become a parent this kind of protective thing happens where when you see someone who can't defend themselves being hurt you feel the need to step up regardless of who it is. This breaks my heart and I pray these kids find some kind of peace.
The whole thing is crazy. Also the mother giving up their kid to this monster is also super crazy
It's the South Wales Police. Like the Gwent Police they are useless when it comes to real crimes. They are as woke as the Met Police and would rather go after people for thought crimes.
@@LoveAngelesMusic They had the babies deliberately for him to abuse. They were brood mares.
Is that Buzzcocks clip at the beginning real? Holy shit, the irony
Last Train Home still rocks 🤘
Separate dressing room = BIG RED FLAG!!
Yup
When people swear to god his band mates knew. They lived in different countries and never hung out. Plus, Ian was smart enough to not announce he was ASSAULTING BABIES to his band mates. Surely one of them would have an objection and speak out if they knew.
They must have had some suspicions at least. Maybe not to the degree. But if someone is a horrible person. Little things slip out when talking to them.
They knew
They knew for sure. Maybe not all of it.
Some absolute cope by you there
It just goes to show that no matter how much you think that you know somebody, it’s what they behind closed door and out of view that defines them, but unless you’re part of it, how would you know?
He is definitely and obviously a monster. But in the court description, the mothers of some of the kids abused the babies at his request. Surely that is a worse offence? But they got lighter sentences?
It is worse in some respects but I think the lighter sentences were because there was evidence he groomed/manipulated the mothers. I still think their sentences were too light though
Those kids should sue the police who allowed their abuse to continue after they were informed of it.
dude theres people sitting in prison fo life or for way longer for non violent drug crimes and probably other less messed up crap and he gets parole when hes close to 50 wtf
Varg Vikernes and Faust straight up murdered people and only did 15 years, Europe is much different then America
The Police have through their inaction and dismissivness, their ineptitude and arrogance, aided and abetted Watkins' abuse of those children. Like in any organisation, the integrity of its function relies on the personalities staffing its services, the Police is no different, the statutes, laws, procedures, evidence, requirements for a prosecution, all of it was in place, everything necessary to investigate, arrest and charge Watkins and put him Infront of a Judge and Jury in a Court, was there, it was just a "personality", a particular mindset, which kept that from happening.
Don't think the bass player, feels to much guilt, over punching him these days.
Ya probably not
I don’t know why someone like this would even be given the option of parole. Seriously, why would you consider putting him back on the streets? Oh, he won’t be allowed to work with children? Cool, he didn’t work with children before and yet still had access to them to abuse so I fail to see how he’d struggle to find more children to abuse once he’s out.
I know. It’s so disgusting.
Well the justice system in England was WAYYY too soft in crimes like this. And it took YEARS for the police to do ANYTHING about it.
Tax payer, the reason they didn't bust him sooner was that he was making people money.
He will probably never be granted parole. But it's strange that he didn't get a whole life sentence in the first place. Like, if what he did isn't bad enough to warrant a whole life sentence then I don't know what is. I guess because he didn't kill anyone, is the only reason I can think of
In Finland people get anywhere from 0 to 6 years for child abuse related crimes and r*pes, only a few cases have had someone get 10 years(that takes ALOT). Almost all get out after serving half. +Young people get pretty much nothing for violent crimes which is why people move here and constantly do crimes, they know that they get away with nothing🙁 If I could I'd move away from this "understanding"sh*t of a country.
I saw Lostprophets at V fest in 2011 and I can't lie, it was some of the most fun I've had at a gig to date. Ian Wantkids is an absolute scumbag though and I haven't been able to listen to a single song of theirs since as a result of that. Shame.
I remember really liking their Rooftops song back in the day. I totally forgot about them until I did this video. They are banned from Spotify so I haven’t listened to them since.
I'm gonna go to hell for laughing at "Ian Wantkids"
When you get there, kick this bloke in the nuts. 👍🏻
I was at a show in Philly and he come on stage and said I don't remember the words to this song.
Since when did a drug bust become more important than children suffering in the eyes of the police? This is something that needs to be remedied like immediately people should be absolutely outraged and demand that we’re paying our police force to do something they should be more focused on child suffering than on drugs drugs are not nothing in comparison to a child suffering.
Is that clip at the beginning real? Someone made that joke about Watkins on TV, before it happened?
The guy was interviewing watkins and he made a pedo joke about Gary Glitter and Ian was laughing with him
Over 10 years on from his conviction, I'm very surprised he hasn't been charged with anything else. There was a lot of talk at the time about numerous potential other offences/ victims. I wonder if work on other cases is still ongoing. I wouldn't ever want to see him back out on the street again, he's too dangerous.
He should have gotten life in my opinion
I'm surprised that the guys in the prison general pop, havent dealt with him.
He did get charged with something else. He was hiding a phone in his anus and got 10 extra months added to his sentence, and a 5 month delay on eligibility for parole. True story. Look it up.
@@voxac30withstrat I wish they would throw nonces in general pop. Sadly they don't.
That's a really good point actually, it is surprising that more cases haven't been brought against him, but maybe a fair amount has happened behind the scenes that we don't know of. I'd imagine there is a lack of evidence for a lot of the things he did in the pre-smartphone era, especially sleeping with teenage girls on the tour bus etc
It’s infuriating to know that most of these children would not have been SAed, had police took action from the start! THEY WEREN’T EVEN BORN YET!!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Yes that is one of the worst part. If the cops just would have taken alittle time to investigate
That woman is a fuckin hero!
When I saw that Waltkins did that when I discovered Lostprophets,my middle childhood was ruined back then(because I listened to the song To Hell we Ride on Need for Speed Underground).
Ian,you should be ashamed of yourself.
Slight inaccuracy i noticed. It was Stu Richardson who was the bassist who punched Ian Watkins in the face. Not Mike Lewis.
I only just noticed they had inverted crucifixes as their band logo (at 1:54) inside the circles on either side of their banner name
And?
@@jessiecuster3191 "And" what?
All bands have stuff like that Neil.
There were paving slabs with the lyrics from the song “streets of nowhere “ placed on the towns Main Street of Pontypridd before all this got out,,they were calls to get them removed and trashed.They were removed.The police also found extreme images of animal pornography on his PC.
He also dated presenter Fearne Cotton in 2005 while he already seeing another girlfriend.
"Worst singer ever" is a misleading title, because it's not his ability to sing that has even been the issue
Truth is, the fact that he was a talented and charismatic rock frontman made him all the more insidious for his horrendous sex crimes against young children
People couldn't believe it when the news broke about him being a paedophile because on the surface he doesn't fit the stereotype of what people think a paedophile is
And that in and of itself teaches an important lesson
Well in the end I mention that very point about him being the worst singer in terms of evil and not ability. But I never knew this about him until recently. It was so crazy to hear all this
Ian Watkins put a dagger in the heart of the Rock n Roll genre. It noticeably fell off in popularity, bigtime after the Watkins pedo scandal of 2012.
The following year Peaches Geldof died. There were rumours she was about to reveal the names of the two women so someone killed her off.
@@lemsip207 actually she did release the names and got a police caution for her troubles.
@@lewisb85 It was because the children of the two women arrested with Watkins would be able to find out later that their mothers sexually abused them if they had been named.
This dude is as evil as they come, when charlie did his video on him I read those conversations he had with that woman about abusing the baby and let me tell you what that shit will leave you baffled; This guy is a monster from hell.
I know. I first heard of him through Charlie. But I also used to listen to them back on the day. I read those conversations. There are way more but I didn’t want to put them into the video as they are way too much and I feel you don’t need them to get the point across
@@LoveAngelesMusic they were a band who's name i remembered, but music not so much, but one of their singles I hve heard before when I was younger, I'm more of a fan of bands like at the drive in, fugazi, sunny day, rise against etc.. but ian is a sick mf, the dude is completely gone.
That statement from Mark Lamarr on Never Mind the Buzzcocks was eerie, given what we know now. It was the same with Jimmy Saville. People knew something was going on, but they continued to hide in plain sight and get away with their crimes.
That’s terrible. Ya it makes it so much worse when these people are rich and famous and it goes on so much longer just because they are famous and no one wants to say anything
I mean I guess if they don't investigate SA, tell them drugs are involved
Hope the family all of this victims put a lawsuit for not investigate all those info.and those parents that allowed him abuse of those kids should be put in jail and trow away the key
Great coverage of this. Although not sure if the comments section pointed this out yet-you flashed an image of Mike Lewis when talking about the quote from Stu. Just a heads up :)
Thanks for pointing that out
Start Something was one of my favorite albums ever back when it came out. My very first band even covered "make a move" back in 2005... I liked it so much that I tried to find some worth in their following records in denial of how hard they sold out and got boring but it was such a shock to find this out. I saw them live mere months before this news dropped and even I could notice the extreme disconnect between him and his bandmates. For the first time since that news dropped all these years later, a couple months ago I tried the whole "separate the art from the artist" thing and see if I could enjoy it again but nope. I felt gross the whole time. Especially since I myself have a daughter. Ian did his fans so dirty. I don't believe that his bandmates knew though.
Ya it’s very hard to separate this person from the art. Depends on the crimes they committed. I did like rooftops. But it always reminds me of this act he did now
Speaking strictly from a musical angle, Start Something is one of those rare albums where every song is good and the album flows perfectly (a la Dark Side of the Moon, Pet Sounds, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Not in the same league as those albums when it comes to the strength of the material, but in terms of flow it measures up). Afterward, Lostprophets basically sold out to the teen scene and never were that good again.
There is no defending Watkins. What he did is abhorrent. But I will defend The Fake Sound of Progress and Start Something in a few ways. Watkins behaviour took a dark turn AFTER the band achieved mega success. And most importantly, those records required the creative input of all members of the band to create. Watkins could not have done it on his own.
What I would like to see is if someone would be brave enough to fully re-record Start Something and upload it to TH-cam. Like some people have done with St Anger to improve the sound. If Watkins voice was not on the recording, then I'm sure many original fans who were there at the time, like yourself, would be able to face listening to those songs again. A creator named Narokath fully re-recorded Rooftops and uploaded it, and the response he got was overwhelmingly positive. It made a song that meant so much to teens of the 2000's listenable again
Like I used to be a Michael Jackson mega fan. Until his true nature was exposed. Now I can’t listen to him
@@billyb8356 When speaking of these albums and their flow, I must add my favorite album of all time that seamlessly flowed through 21 flawless tracks...1997s transistor from 311.
Also us Brits are paying tax to keep him fed, it's horrible to think he could be out in 10 years
"A ten month year old...." This guy's the real deal.
😂
Thanks. Now I don't have to post it. :-)
@@81bajaj imagine what the person was like who interviewed him for the job 🤣
Shows a catholic priest while saying “Baptist minister”… I’m sure you can find some better stock footage than that
An unfortunate end for an awesome band.
I want to legit k-word Ian Watkins for all of his BS.
Why do the women get anonymity, what a joke.
i feel so sick i used too love this band i legit vomited when i heard what the singer did
Headline says worst singer.
Definitely not, he was a good singer in a good band.
He was a horrendous monster of a person.
I loved the Lostprohets in their prime.. saw them many times from their early days at the barfly in camden to headlining Reading... you would never have Guessed Watkins demise at his peak.
He was messing with a prostitute who he showed images and i believe this is the woman but she kept going to the police and she over and over and over and over even begged his mom to help her his mom didnt and yes this is the woman isnt that sick af she tried kept in contact jjust so she could bust him those police need to all be in prison
The password on his computer was "ifukkids" I'm not even joking.
That is not funny
As the father of a 7 month old girl, this was really hard to watch.
Well it’s good to know he is at least behind bars
As the grandfather of a beautiful 9 month old girl I would beat this sick clown within an inch of his life. I'd probably have an argument with my son her dad as to who got first dibs. TBH ANYone who does this to a child deserves the severest treatment.
Maybe the baby lied about its age or had fake ID.... What's so surprising about this guy getting stabbed in prison with his crimes I'm surprised he made it 24 hours
I despair I really do
I Can't believe cops care more about drug possession than child *ape
Also I Can't believe he's still alive I used to enjoy the bands music but not anymore I had no idea who I was listening to until someone flat out told me in disgust and rightfully so I stopped listening to his music I don't even want to hear his voice ever again.
All I'm saying is, if a dog hurts a child, it gets put down....
Ya my friends dog got scared and but someone and got put down.
@@LoveAngelesMusic sorry to hear that, such a shame, and yet these animals get protected...
is it wrong that I still jam to their song because one of it was in Underground?
Not wrong maybe weird but still I listen to micheal Jackson.
Makes you wonder what has to go on in your childhood to make you such a twisted freak.Part of it is likely genetic mental disease, but at least part must be nurture.
Substance abuse never helps, but most likely it just made him uninhibited enough to get sloppy and arrogant enough to expose such socio pathy.
It's important to remember that some of the very same traits and qualities that propel people to financial success or celebrity can have the darkest as possible motivations .
Not to defend Ian in any way, I have to wonder if he suffered abuse when he was a child and didn't tell anyone. Or maybe that's my brain trying to make me rationalise this
@rorz999 yeah, I'm thinking the step dad. There HAS to be a reason he is the way he is
Can someone write what the TV show runner says at the beggining? English isn't my mother language and i dont understand the joke.
Thanks
Jamie is in the band. And the quote from Stu the bassist had a pic of Mike the guitarist. Cmon man do some research.
He got hurt in prison yesterday. He may die.
Cops should go to jail as well fir not stopping him earlier
Yes. They should have caught him earlier
To be more relevant i'd say his now ex-bandmates should be sent to jail as well for keeping their mouth shut and letting him continue what he did!
Back in the day I used to open for bands locally. I've opened for a lot of metal and hardcore bands in bars and amphitheatres. I remember eating a pizza with George Fisher after opening for Cannibal Corpse. I remember going to get whataburger with Haste the Day. I remember meeting CJ from Drowning Pool when they were with Ryan McCombs. But I can't remember whose roadie told me this, but they said that there is a massive underground ring of pedophiles that protect other pedophiles. He said it contains actors, politicians, princes, police forces, government entities, so on. I thought he was nuts. Btw, Epstein didn't kill himself.....
They should no longer be mentioned any more he was a pedophilie who abused babies and young children absolutely appalling. One very sick and disturbed person
Great singer, Completely evil person though, however his singing was awesome back in the day.
do you know if he lived or is he out of the ICU ?
I listen to crime podcasts while working as a driver and one night i listened to a podcast about watkins. Due to the severity I have really shitty feelings everytime I drive in those places I was that night while listening. So disturbing
Well I hope I did this video justice compared to your other podcasts. But yes I’m now constantly reminded of him
I prey that he is suffering every single damn day in his prison cell!!!
Their first album was genuinely great... that being said, I cannot listen to it ever again. It makes me sick to my stomach hearing Ian's voice and having the knowledge of what he did.
I know. I liked a few of their songs. But they are banned from Spotify plus I don’t want to be reminded of them
@@LoveAngelesMusic banned from Apple Music as well. the only thing about them on Apple is their bio
@@LoveAngelesMusic All of their music is on spotify. But that may just be UK
I know the feeling. I have tried to go back and listen. Even trying my best to separate the art from the artist. Within a minute I just hit stop and feel disgusted.
@@50milliondownthedraintonym16 It's case-by-case.
Police incompetence resulting in more victims before they take it seriously? Imagine.
Lesson here is don't judge any book by it's cover. No stereotypes exist.
Anyone ever see the music video of 'Town Called Hypocrisy' - Utterly disturbing in retrospect - His pedophilia was hidden in plain view
That's the one where the band are Mr Rogers-style kids TV presenters and Watkins has a group of kids around him almost constantly, right?
I might have know the bloody church would be involved at some point. It'd be interesting to look at the police officers who decided not to act/investigate the previous allegations. Were they fans of the band? Did they know him personally? Were they from the same town/village as him? Etc.
I find it hard to believe the band said they didn’t know. They knew and are just as guilty as him.
I know. They must have known something
What i dont get is even if that woman had mental health the facts are the facts. It doesnt matter where the facts come from the evidence is there.
She "assumed it was just the drugs talking.." hey lady, thats NOT how drugs work.
I know, no normal person is completely sane then takes some drugs and starts talking about the darkest stuff ever
Wait there are baptists in the UK?
He’s gonna find that last train home for sure 😂
Hahaha.
Saw them with linkin park in 2003 in Manchester when he signed my ticket and 2004 at reading festival but didn’t see them live since then even though I had no idea of this side of him etc
I think the title should’ve been the “The ‘Most Evil’ Singer EVER!” The term “Worst” indicates that he COULDN’T sing-or sung awfully.
Kinda freaky how Lamarr was right on the money with that comment
i need to know whete you got that shirt
My wife got it for me for my bday. Not exactly sure. But it’s a sweet shirt
This guy is awful, he should be locked up. They can't let him get away with this
He is locked up. He got 35 years
@@LoveAngelesMusic and his bandmatea
Lets just hope some of other inmates who aren't Nonces get to Watkins & give him the real justice he deserves.
They can't. He's protected from them.
@@hypocrisyisnotbetterthancaring yeah; that’s the big problem with Paedophiles in Prison. They get protected. Shame really. I’d prefer they get to him on a daily basis & make his life hell. Instead we protect these sick evil f*cks from harm. Crazy when you think about it.
Good documentary man. I remember me and a buddy getting hard into lostprophets after hearing them on Spanish mtv, we were military brats in Puerto Rico at the start of our music obsession, one of our first alternative music experiences. They got pretty big, wasn’t into the later stuff, then years later hearing about this happening. It was so violating, years of this man’s voice in my ears. Does anyone have any insight on why? Was he abused? It’s crazy how he’s like the ultimate predator, doesn’t look at all like the average pedophile. Jesus it’s like he was in the most perfect position for his sickness.
I think that’s what I’d do intriguing about him. It’s like Ted bundy. Looks completely “normal” but is actual a serial killer
Can't help but notice ...this documentary sounds super familiar ... 🤔
And the police did nothing …
Like Uvalde ?
At first they brushed it off
Is he still alive ?
Unfortunately
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men run free than chase after them!" (Chief Wiggum, "The Simpsons") Lazy cops!
Hahaha. That’s seems to be about right
Wait wait the mother who allowed this only got 14 years? And then the girl holding the camera got more years then the mother?? Wth
The one with the camera filmed herself touching her daughter
Unfortunately he may be able to apply for release in 2029.. but he’ll still be on license till the full 35 years are up, around 2048.. but being rich and famous he’ll probably just disappear to some sunny place and carry on being a nonce.. they should just let the other prisoners deal with him before he can get out.
Tbf his name died in 2013 and hes not making much money atm
Hopefully they don’t let him out early
I saw them on their last show in LA at the Roxy. They were really, tight.
Two Months later, He was arrested. I couldnt pick up my jaw off the floor.
wow really? i've played the roxy a couple times, thats crazy you saw them right before
@@LoveAngelesMusic It was october of 2012. I've brought my ex.
Not that it really matters since its more about Ian, but The bassist is Stuart Richardson, the photo is Mike Lewis their rhythm guitarist also Jamie Oliver was part of the band when he had to sing, he did turntables and backing vocals
Ya it was an error
@@LoveAngelesMusicDw the point was more about Ian and what he became or was other stuff is really not important good video though nonetheless
I feel horrible. I bought his music. I was a fan.
Should I stop listening?
Depends if u can separate the art from the artist. I mean I listen to micheal Jackson
If you like and enjoy the music, you are allowed to listen to it, i just wouldn’t go around promoting them. And if you cant get passed the voice thats also fine. U shouldn’t feel horrible about it, also you already bought the music as did millions of others so ur good there. Enjoy it or dont there isnt a wrong answer
I still listen to LostProphets. I love their songs, but I just don't like Ian.
I still think that the whole band didn't had to pay the price for Ian's actions. Lee Gaze co-founded LP and could've had full ownership of the band and would've looked for a new singer.
Too bad that Joanne Mjadzelics' warning was ignored cuz she was doing the right thing in bringing down Ian's reign of terror, but the idiot cops ignored her.😤😤😤😤😤😤
Oh yeah... I'm 52 and just discovering them. They have great songs! The band should not suffer because of the singer.