Intermatic issues? Here’s my trade secrets to buy the repair parts - Cheap!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Is your Rolling Ball Clock not working? Has your Oly Beer Barrel stopped moving? Look no further! In this video I'll show you how to save lots of money by sourcing the most commonly failed part in Intermatic Motors. I've repaired roughly 3,000 Intermatic Motors using these parts. If you're paying more than $20 to find these replacement parts, you are probably spending too much! Typical devices include Arrow Handicraft Electric Ball Clocks / Domino Clocks / Arrow Coin Clocks, Kit-Kat Clocks, Oly/Olympia Beer Barrel Signs, Pool Timers, Sankyo Digital Clocks and many other devices that are driven by Intermatic motors.
Here are some of the timers and motors you can search for to get the part you need.
Compatible Timers:
TN111C
TN111CL
TN111
TN711
TN811C
TN811CL
SB111
D111
SB111B
SB111C
SB111C61
61-1068/61-1069 (Radio Shack)
Supercop (Intermatic)
and many more!
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Compatible Motors:
WG730
WG1573
WG1573-10D
WG2030
WG1570
WG128014
WG2030
WG-736
WG-1571
WG750 -10D
WG733
WG733-14D
WG433-20D
WG760-10
WG790-11D
WG1603-11D
WG1576-10D
WG630D
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Below are Intermatic timers I know of that WILL NOT HAVE the motor you need.
TN300CH70
DT500CH
DTG500CL
DT300CH
TN111K
TN311K
TN600CL
TN300CL70,
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Below are some exceptions.
For TN3111 Intermatic Timers the older stock has the motor. My video will show you what to look for. Most of this model I'm seeing on eBay and other sites is the newer version of TN3111which will not have the metal motor.
Useful Links.
I'd suggest starting with eBay. Any of the silver Intermatic motors on these sites and others will have the part that likely failed in your Intermatic motor. My preference is the older stock Intermatic Timers.
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Man, thank you so much for this video! I have a Rainsoft water softener system with this time controller from 1997 and the timer on it went out CW190-1. Took it a part just like you did in this video and sure enough, the plastic teeth are starting to crumble. I just ordered a couple of TN111C's and hopefully I can get the parts I need out of them. The Rainsoft distributor is quoting me over 2500 bucks to upgrade the head with a newer updated timer. Looks like I will be able to fix it for 30 bucks which was the price for two of these TN111C's! Thanks again!
How 'bout that! Six years later and you're still helping folks out here. My pool timer went belly up. Came upon your video and you saved me at least $35. Works like a charm now. Thanks!
@@isleno101 Awesome! I barely remember making that anymore. Glad it I helped!
i just fixed a 30 yr old Oly Beer lighted sign in about 3 min with your hack...thank you much!! I started to look at replacement motors in the $20-30 range in order to replace a motor with one sad stripped plastic gear and happened to see your vid..I even had extra intermatic timers around the house, so no loss ruining one there..Thanks!
spikedspike Awesome!
I found an Arrow Ball Clock in my basement and I couldn’t get it to work. I watched various videos and found yours. Thank you so much for the info. I had a timer and took it apart and was able to fix the clock!
Thank you for the video! I went to Home Depot (Canada) and found an inexpensive outdoor intermatic timer. Model P1121.
Opened it up and it has the correct motor/gears for the repair. My Arrow is running like charm!
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I got one with the TN and it was the plastic junk. It was a 154TN1798
@@hastypete2 search eBay for tn111c. Item #s 154425815721, 375515318365 are good ones. If I were buying one I’d go with the green one as they are old stock.
@@StuartNC It was a TN111, but the fine print had the 154TN1798. I've got a TN111c coming. I only lost $5 on the other, plus it was fun to rip it apart. There was another difference. I had to pull the knob off the front to remove a screw hiding underneath it. Also the gear isn't really plastic. It looks and feels like urethane. Maybe it was an attempt to make them run more quiet? I don't know, but I can see how it wouldn't last forever.
@@hastypete2 right I call it plastic but it’s probably something else. There are metal ones out there but very hard to find. The gear lasts much longer when used continuously as in a clock. If it’s in a device where it is frequently turned on and off it fails sooner in my experience.
Worked like a charm...my pool timer motor replacement was $60 on Amazon...had this exact lamp timer from a yard sale for $.25 cents..
Wow! Wow! You saved me a bunch of money and time. I have a vintage Olympia Beer sign that the motor would not work.
I had a Intermatic timer setting around and followed your instructions and took the gears out and put them in the old motor. Works great now.
Thanks so much!
Same here! I just bought a like-new Olympia barrel motion sign today for $50, and I've got a couple of those timers in with the Christmas crap.
Thank you for this upload. Very well explained and extremely helpful. Subscribed. My problem is that everything works manually but in auto, the the dial does not move. Cannot set at auto on and off.
I have the Intermatic RC2343PT and with your info I think I will need to change the gear only.
Hey Stuart, I have been living in the same house for 36 years and I buy a new HW40 timer every 10 years, This year it got excessively noisy so again I buy a new one. When I turned it on it vibrates the case to such an extent that its annoying. Sounds like a 60Hz hum that vibrates the case. Usually you can't hear the motor they are so quite. Not this time. The motor is the WG1573-5E. So I returned it to Amazon and got another one. Re-installed and the same noise comes back with the replacement. The motor vibrates so that you have to push real hard on the timer mounting plate then the noise subsides until you remove your finger pressure. I'm beginning to think this new motor is a lemon. Should I go back to a previous version like the WG1573-5 or earlier? Hate to be picky but this timer controls the hot water for the MBR bath and is only 10 feet from my bed. What do you think I should do?
@@allanlang6515 I stopped dealing with these motors years ago but the most common cause I recall is the metal cover in the motor may be vibrating. If you can run the motor outside the device you check. Sometimes I had to bend the pins a little tighter.
Saving two Arrow Electric Ball Clocks thanks to you!
Where exactly I can find those broken gear ⚙️. And how to call them
@@stevezuber1 you can’t. The nylon center is part of that piece I show in the video. Intermatic won’t help if you call. Just buy one of the timers mentioned in my video to get the part.
Great tip. Thanks
I just replaced the one of the motors (WG1573-5) in my Intermatic pool pump timer panel (T10404R). Out of curiosity, I opened the old motor up and its problem is exactly what you described. My replacement motor was just over $20 from Amazon and so I didn't need to go inside of mine to do this repair, but it is nice to understand this. I may also try to find an inexpensive timer and replace the gears in my broken one so that I have a spare on the shelf. It sure would be nice if these little parts could be purchased directly so as to not create so much waste.
Thanks for your nice video.
Intermatic still using metal motors on its timers, just look for timers made in Mexico, if they are made in China they will have a plastic motor.
Fantastic video, enabled me to fix my dead Malibu transformer / timer on the cheap...Thanks
Awesome. You make TH-cam a community where we can actually help one another. Thank you so much. Excellent.
You rock. After ordering the wrong motor replacement, and looking at a week to get the right motor, and paying twice as much as the other, I found your video and realized we had an old intermatic timer sitting around (I could've trashed the wrong one I bought but I'll send it back) so I tore it open and fixed it just like you showed. Love it!
It’s an awesome hack! Glad it helped you.
Thank you, your video helped me fix my timer!
Nice Hack! Thanks!!
Thank you!
Thanks for the video dude! I just ordered a SB111C to sacrifice for my little Sankyo cyclometer type clock, hopefully the 60Hz gears won't have a problem with our 50Hz mains frequency, guess I'll find out soon enough
John E I never encountered a difference with that part for 50 or 60hz so it should work.
@@StuartNC Thanks again Stu, for all the time I've owned this little clock I've never seen it run. Can't wait to see it run!
Hey Stewart! Good evening and a huge THANK YOU! I’m fixing my late fathers Olympia beer sign. And thought it was beyond repair. Holy shit you saved the day. This sign was always on when my brother and I were working on cars with my Dad. It’s priceless! Thanks so much
This video is a Fountainhead....
Estricto Severino I hope that is a good thing!
Stuart, thanks so much for this video. Our D8 Kit Kat electric clock that I purchased for my wife in 1990 in Halifax was almost a goner. It was making a grinding noise and for several years it had sat idle as I had kind of given up on it. However, while being snowed-in and going stir-crazy I was looking for a project, so I decided to have a crack at fixing our old friend, the Kit Kat clock.
After taking the motor apart I discovered that the little gearwheel that you describe (2:53) as "the most common failure of these Intermatic clock mechanisms" had deteriorated to the extent that it looked more like dried grease than a gear. When I poked it with a needle it crumbled - it didn't even resemble a gear wheel! After watching the video and taking apart an Intermatic lamp timer that we very rarely use, I was able to extricate the exact gear wheel that was needed. It was a very simple job to replace the disintegrated Kit Kat clock gear wheel with the one I removed from the lamp timer. My Kit Kat clock is working perfectly again!! Thank you again, Stuart for your video!!!
(One note: At 3:36 you show the replacement wheel with the stem sticking out and show that the disc (oiler, or spacer) at 3:44 can be removed to allow room for the wheel with the longer stem to fit. I found that the long-stemmed wheel would not fit even with the disc (oiler, or spacer) removed. After close examination and gentle poking with a needle again, I discovered that the little gear wheel I needed (2:53) would lift off the axle (pinion) and could be simply slid into the original wheel. I was then able to use the original wheel and spacer with the new gear wheel. - I hope that all makes sense! 😄)
In any event, thanks again, Stuart for your great video and for sharing your knowledge!!
Great vid. In my case my (Malibu low voltage lighting timer)WG2000 synco motor, not the gears, may be at the end of its life. I thought it better to just replace the motor. Problem is finding the WG2000. Im guessing different numbers mean different speeds for the timer? Yes- prices of new timers are ridiculous so why not repair what you have.
I have old clock radios that use this motor. All had that nylon gear that was chewed up and worn out with broken teeth. Although more expensive, some sellers on eBay sell these with metal gears instead of nylon which should last forever. I've gotten some and they work great. These motors can be somewhat noisy though so I put plenty of grease on the teeth to help them run quiet.
Great. My timer wasn't working for two days. (Intermatic T103 purchd 2014 for the pool pump) Took the clock out today, and the small gear was gone. Don't have a clue where it went. I see teeth marks and pasty yellowish waxy substance where that gear was. I was just ready to order the entire clock. $19 to the door wg1573-5E) cheapest. Too bad too because I gave the entire timer and box I removed to Goodwill. Could have had the clock gear in there. Old one was T103. Clock gave out. Was 3 years old when went out in2014. Now I'll do some rummaging through my new stuff and take it apart. I have 3 intermatic timers two new 1 used a bit off and on. 110v indoor wall plug in for when we go away for a few weeks to turn the lights on in the house. That's a good tip. Thanks.
Xtremely informative! Big thanks 2 u!!
Hi, thanks for the Video. I repair my old clock with this information. :)
I'm going to be looking in every garage of every estate sale until the end of time. :)
Really nice and thanks! But maybe easier to change all of the old system for this timer. :)
Hi, thanks for the Video. I repair my old clock with this information.
Thank you. The video was really helpful.
They still make these timers and they still have the same motor. The ones that don't use this motor is either very very old or made by someone else and branded intermatic.
Thank you! Very helpful video.
Thanks for the video!! I have a WG-5094-1 motor (50 Hz, 3W, 250V), do you know the model of motor or timer to buy that have the parts for my motor? Thank you again.
The ones in my video will also work on the 50hz version of the motors.
Thanks and very helpful video.
Great video. Will try it out. My Intermatic Malibu outdoor landscape timer/transformer stopped working. I am certain it is the timer. It just completely stopped working, but the lights come on manually, so it is the motorized timer. Had it for 15 years. Guess it had a good run while it lasted.
My older Malibu(15yrs old) is doing the same thing now. Synco motor too weak to trip the timer settings. Not sure its the gears. Motor was pretty warm when I opened it up. Cost of a new Malibu timer - if you can find it it outrageous! The part # on mine is WG2000 - not finding that specific motor. I plan to contact Intermatic to see if that has been replaced. Finding all diff part #'s - just not WG2000
Absolutely amazing! I was dumbfounded how easy this was to repair. Took me about 15 minutes to do the whole repair. I even had 2 of these old timers in the house. Sacrificed one to the sprinkler g-ds. Than you so much. You saved me $51.00 at Home Depot!
Glad I can give back to the TH-cam community!
Or you could contact Intermatic and see if they'll send you a new pinion gear. They came with lifetime warranties.
They will not send or sell you that part.
Stuart - I understand that these nylon gears deteriorate from age, and not so much from use. So isn't buying an old timer only going to get you another nylon gear that may already be near failure? How do we find a timer with a metal gear?
I bought many timers over the years and have not encountered a problem with new (old stock). The used ones were almost always bad. I don’t know where to find it in metal but I don’t think it’s necessary. .
Thanks! I'll try this!
Hi. I have an Intermatica WG-5094-1. Are timers listed by you suitable with my Intermatic ? thx
Fabrizio Lamberti yes they are.
I have pool timer now the set time did not worked , I think the back of the timer gear worn our please advise where I buy that part instead of replace a timer thank you
I'm sorry, I don't know.
Great tip !
Hard to find in Europe. Seems my 70's clock is done for good.
Yiroooo if it’s the parts you see in my video the 120v version of the part will work.
@@StuartNC I mean I don't find any of those intermatic products for decent price here.
Thanks
You can print’em. Nice hack.
Happen to have the file for this specific gear?
Stuart.... all of the sudden the motor in my Time Machine rolling ball clock has started running BACKWARDS. instead of scooping up the waiting balls from the underside, the rotating arm is approaching from the top and then jamming itself against the ball chute. Is this an indication that something broke inside the motor? If so, will the replacement part be found in one of the Intermatic timers with TN in the part number? Thanks... from another Stuart (in Asheville NC).
You would need to open the motor. Assuming it’s the type of motor you see in the video. If you look at about 0:50, the gear on the right has a metal arm under it that determines which way to spin. You can spin it with your finger. Lift it up and reposition the arm until you can spin it the other way with your finger. Yours apparently jumped out of position which can happen after a jam.
Thanks Stuart! I'll give it a try and report back. @@StuartNC
Stuart, somehow, the motor started on its own to rotate in the correct direction again. I discovered this while I was opening up the ball clock's plastic case to access the motor inside. A few days have now passed and it is still working correctly. I'll try following your instructions (thank you) if the problem reappears.@@StuartNC
I don't suppose you know of a source for these motor assemblies in 240V?
I just thought about my question and your repair video a bit more, the voltage of the donor motor doesn't matter of course! Thank you!
John Bell, correct.
I bought a TN111 from a junk shop and the gear in it was even mushier than the one in the clock. Which models are newest?
As long as it was a sealed blister package I never had an issue with any of them. Used ones are always mush.
@@StuartNC I've seen ones with a brass gear. Do you know what those are found in?
@@DaedaWerx I’ve seen those but I don’t know. I’m assuming very old versions of the motors.
how does one communicate with Stuart Singer re intermatic questios
jEdward Hritzo that’s me but I don’t deal with these anymore.
@@StuartNC I also see that your Rolling Ball Clock page is gone as well. (sigh) As I recall you had some great Arrow Ball Clock history on your web page! Is any of that still visible?
Hi, just purchased an Arrow Ball Clock. Gears are damaged & I went to Home Depot to get the timer. But all they had were the kind with the 2 (--). Where (online or in person) can I find the correct timer? Thx for the great video. Going to subscribe now!
Matt Plavin you can get the parts on eBay if you search on arrow ball clock. Yeah you won’t find the old version at Home Depot or Lowe’s anymore.
@@StuartNC Thx for the quick reply & Happy New Years to you and yours. I did go to ebay first. But paying roughly $30 + S/H seems nuts to me. & that will be a last resort. Would you happen to know a specific model number that has the (TN) in it? Thx again, Matt P.
Search eBay for TN111, or TN111C or TN111CL. Enjoy!
@@StuartNC REJOICE! I just found one on ebay!
I think I found a motor based on your video so THANKS BUT the beer sign had the full motor removed and I need an end that has a straight slot type gear to attach it to the sign so it turns. Any ideas out there?
I think you need to find a WG-1450 motor for the beer sign.
@@StuartNC Because of needing the end or a different reason? I saw below people did fix their beer signs with the timer motors.
@@wwarmuth1313 they’re using parts from other motors but if you’re missing the whole motor you need to find the original. If it’s a beer barrel sign it usually needs the 1450 which has a unique output shaft. I’m not sure where to get one. I got out of this clock business a few years ago.
@@StuartNC Thank you, I am going to try to create one with a 3d printer - it's worth a shot. Thanks for your help.
Just went to Home Depot and bought the Intermatic TN111K indoor lamp timer and it had the motor inside. Perfect replacement for my Malibu low voltage lighting transformer.
TN111K comes with the pinion disk with the elongated neck. I missed watching 3:10 and used a Dremil to knock it down instead of removing the silver disc.
TN111K comes with a WG2030 motor (not a WG433-3 I used the modified pinion disk to fix). The two motors definitely have different output gears.
The video was a great help in fixing my pool timer. Keep up the great content.
Thank you!