Best Hydrofoil Board
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
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1 | Wake Thief Edition ($2,200)
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2 | Slingshot Budget ($1,000)
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3 | Waydoo Budget Electric ($5,400)
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4 | Flite Performance Electric ($13,700)
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5 | Foil Drive Gen 2 ($8,400)
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6 | Beta Freefoil ($4,600)
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We would like to thank:
(1) Slingshot for sending Hopecraft,
(2) MACKite for sending Dwarfcraft (100/110/120) & Slingshot WF2s,
(3) Freedom Foil Boards for sending Whip,
(4) Liquid Force for sending Launch, Pod & Nebula,
(5) Green Hat for sending Appletree Mini,
(6) AXIS for sending Tray & Pump,
(7) Indiana for sending Pump & Inflatables,
(8) Hydrofoil.de for sending the Disc 999.
Wake Thief purchased the RIDE Engine Escape Pod 4'8"
great video! I really need these given how expensive this equipment is. watching the stress tests made me cry not gonna lie
Me too. I didn’t like it at all, but there’s so much hand waving about board strength we really needed to do this … no one wants to break their $1000 board.
Another awesome video my man 👌. I was looking at the nebula and also the orb for 2023, But they weigh more than the dwarf craft. Do you think that weight difference is noticeable?
@garrettpeterson9816 no
@garrettpeterson9816 thank you
Hey, since I have you here, I noticed you tested the PNG 910 with the 370 stabilizer. Do you think the 340 will give even better carving abilities? @@WakeThief
I know it was in the interest of science and information, but oh boy, it was hard watching you break those boards. A very thorough and concise review. I did get a package from MACkite from your video and link earlier this summer and I swear I used your code and later I noticed it didn't have the bonus robe and so I contacted them and they said I hadn't used your code ( I swear I did) but were great folks and sent the robe and then shortly after, the whole package was on sale for $200 bucks off. I contacted them and they refunded me the difference. Great people to work with!
Pete - That's great to hear! I'll let the team at MACKite know how pleased you were. Thanks!
Never seen someone break boards to test, appreciate your in depth reviews! The freedom whip also usually has a deck pad where you said it wasnt continuous just FYI, maybe they didnt send you the pieces to choose from.
Noah! I saw the same online, and even contacted Freedom to ask. They didn't mention that most had the pad, even though I saw the same. I would assume they would know. I assume that is a fairly easy fix too. Thanks for solving this one for me!
You are amazing. Your vids are top quality, the detail, the science, even testing to destruction. I’d love to know what job you do as you fit so well into techy science stuff. Well done…. Again!
Thanks, David. Having a blast learning and sharing. I’m an engineer by day.
Nice video Devon - love it. Couple quick things: 1) The Whip actually comes with a pad that you put on in that back foot area - either the hump or flat. It may have got stuck in the box. 2) Strength doesn't equal stiffness --- OR did you find that it did. For example - we typically find the dwarfcraft to have more flex due to the materials than the whip (carbon) but I love your break test (what an expensive test!). We've done riding tests (Whip vs. Dwarfcraft) with 10+ riders with the same outcome each time (preference of WHIP over dwarfcraft) for riders who are pumping and carving on material size waves. I've also had a couple (Susky boys in PA) who have stuck with the dwarfcraft because they don't pump a bunch so don't see the benefit.
--> Did you get results based upon material (carbon vs. glass composite)?
--> Did break test equal stiffness in pumping?
All the best - Tim
Thank you, Tim! The breaking strength of Whip really surprised me. I was loving this board too, and assumed it was stiffest. But with so many people breaking Dwarfs, we now know that anything less than that breaking force we have to be careful with! 1) I figured the same, and FFB wasn't aware of this pad. Makes sense to me, 2) Most definitely strength doesn't equal stiffness. You can see during the breakage tests. Some were sudden and some were not. Regarding which was best for pumping, there's a sweet spot. Not too stiff and not too flexible. This is where we're diving into next. Thanks for the comment. I hope you're well!
@@WakeThief Awesome! We've found stiffness provides more drive. Will be super interested in technique, stiffness, and materials in how they effect efficient pumping. Talk soon. Tim
Love the slingshot dwarfcraft, but im using it for kiting. I got the 110cm, though I wish I had the skill to go as small as the 100cm, or the new travel craft 90cm (which you should probably test out on the channel)
Thank you. We will give it a try!
What size screw do you use to mount the dwarfcraft to the a is (red) mast? Also any good information on mast adjusting-I feel like maybe I should have the mast further back for wakefoiling.
Great review with recommendations. I used this to order a board and foil. Good sales going on at MacKite! Thank you
Glad to hear it! If I can ever help, please reach out.
I'm 225 so it sounds like it's between a hopecraft and nebula for me. Is the launch strong enough (I didn't see your rating for breaking it?)?.
Yes.
The launch flexes, and you're not likely to dock start it as a beginner.
Thanks for all the videos and info. I've never done foiling before, but pump-foiling peaked my interest so I watched a lot of your videos.
I was able to pick up a Liquid Force Nebula 3'8" coupled with a Slingshot FPump V1 for ~ $1,000 (online sales). That seemed to be the cheapest I could get into this sport, and I suspect it will suit me well based on your reviews. I'm gonna try foiling for the first time next weekend. I'll be dock launching with a friend. If I enjoy it, but find it too tiring, then I may also explore a DIY electric-assist option. I'm a unicyclist, and a pump foil seems a lot like a unicycle for the water to me.
Also: Where do you prefer to mount the mast (positionally) on your board? (centered, forward, back, etc?)
Start right in the middle. If you want less room on the board in front of your front foot, you can always slide it more forward.
I just bought the Dwarf Craft 100 cim. While pumping it sometimes makes a squeaking noise. Should I be concerned about this? I am a little nervous about it. I am 228lbs and the foil is a Gong Curve XXL.
I’ve broken a few boards now and you can usually feel it broken before hearing it. You might be hearing the foil?
thanks Devon this is a well appreciated video !
My go to beginner board is a North Sense 135.
I just picked up a 90cm Slingshot Travel Craft and am impressed at how well it pumps, but @ 220 pounds… DAMN is it tricky to get up on lol. I appreciate all the great videos.
90cm! You must be a star. I've tried a 94cm Tray from AXIS and found that pretty small. I'm not aware of the North Sense 135. I'll try to get my hands on it for our next video!
Great review! Would love to see the new Armstrong WKT board and the Exo Waters 3'6" boards included in future reviews as I think they would meet most of your positive criteria. Confirming what others have said - FFB Whip should come with option of "pump bump" or flat piece for the traction pad on the rear to fill that space.
Thank you! Both boards will be in the next video. FFB sent me the board this way and I even asked about a pad for the space, and they were unaware. Darn! I have the pump bump and it’s too large for that spot without removing some of the existing decking. Thanks for the comment, Jason.
Just wanted to check. Have you done a review on the Armstrong WKT board yet? Really interested to know your take on the board especially in cost and etc compared to Slingshot dwarf and hope. Thanks!!!
@shaneanderson853 reviewing it now. Stay tuned.
Do you possibly have an idea of when you expect this next video/review to launch by chance? Super excited to see it!!!
Great review (once again) and thourough. How did you select the board? Are these boards advertised / marketed for pump foil, dockstart or wakefoil by their manufacturers? Looks like there's a couple of kitefoil boards in the selection.
Thank you! We worked to get every ~3ft board we could. Nearly everyone was designed for kiting or tow foiling (not pumping). I expect in the years ahead we will see many dedicated pump / tow foil videos. We’re working to get more boards now for a follow-up.
I have been happy riding my Naish Hoverglude 112 cm. My only negative so far is that it is designed for KiteHydroFoil (ride at faster speeds) and I find I Wakefoil with the mast positioned at the furthest point forward in the tracks. I would like to see the tracks placed a little further forward or longer tracks in the board. This is something you didn’t comment on in your analysis
Good point. Thank you. We always placed the foil and the loading at the same distance relative to the foil track. Foil track placement does matter, but is something we can't control. I am seeing some newer boards have longer tracks, which will work really well for foils that have a short distance from the center of lift of the front wing to the mast/base plate.
Great vid as always. I've watched most of your very informative vids (some several times over) and this one is no exception. I may need to purchase one of these boards as I'm starting to see more teeny tiny cracks in the paintwork of my board. Disappointing but what can I do? Not foil? Don't think so.
Thank you, Jason! I’m here if you need any help. Always happy to try. Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
Hey hey, thanks for that review!
I'm running the dwarfcraft 110 with axis BSC 1060..
I have an issue keeping my speed while pumping, I can't pump further than 5 meters.
Is the 1060 good foil to pump? I'm 80kg.
Also, I put the foil mast all the way backward on the rail.. Is this a good position?
Many thanks!
You could try running mast a bit more forward to reduce swing weight of the board. 1060 is a good pumping wing. Just try to stay higher on the mast. Drag goes way down on the 19mm thick mast when you keep most of it out of the water. Good luck!
@@WakeThief Thanks a lot!
Many thanks for the great content! My kids 9 and 13 are keen to learn dock starting so I wonder from the axis range what would you recommend? Thanks in advance
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Plus a dwarf craft 100 (small
Board for kids) + 1150 (bigger front wing for dock starting).
Impressive work as always!
I’m considering the escape pod 45 L for use with my Foil Drive assist Plus for E-foiling and prone downwinding.
How did you like it for pumping and riding when comparing to other boards of similar volume? Did you try the 38 L escape pod?
Thanks
Thank you! It will work fine for that. I didn’t try the smaller escape pod.
What do you think of a dwarfcraft 100 with Cabrinha 1900 (dakine 1900) as a starter dock start and wake and wing board? Maybe a 110 is a better length? And the wing is a med not high so maybe more effort...?
1900 should be fine. That’s enough area. Dwarf 110 good to. I just prefer shorter.
@WakeThief cool. It's a medium wing so may be a little more drag and slower. Ended up getting the hovecraft instead. Was a 100 bucks more. But seems more robust
Nice video! Agreed on whip. Nebula’s shape is great, just needs to be 4-6 in shorter.
Nebula also has a fatal flaw. While it doesn’t break, it dislodges its box and becomes a noodle. I did it to three of them and then LF said no more under warranty.
That's good to know. Appreciate the comment, Josh. We have more work to do. We began this when you/I chatted months ago. Took us awhile to get through it all, with measurements, testing, etc. Any boards we missed that you wished we have covered?
@@WakeThief I feel yah. Garrett and I tried to make a board video. It was like two hours of us talking, lol. I’ll try to cut it down this winter and post it, maybe make it a podcast.
Exo waters makes the best board I’ve been on right now. I’m hopeful the Armie WKT will be good but 109 just is too long for that style of board for skilled wake foilers. SAB B-14 is in this category. SRF2AIR makes an amazing pocket board.
This is fantastic!! Love the concise format + break tests are awesome.
Glad you liked it! Thanks, Zach. I hope you're well.
Hi Wake Thief. I’m in the market for a complete set right now. I was looking at the Space Skate 65 and the 2022 Liquid Force Launch board. Wondering if this would be good for open lake pumping. Thanks!
That front wing is a bit small for pumping. Please email me with your weight. I’d be happy to help you figure it out. Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
@wakethief thank you I just sent you an email with some information
Great video. Please could you advise if you think the LIQUID FORCE LAUNCH would be a good board to learn to dock start on?
It’s a bit big but should work. I prefer a board
Great video!
Curious to know what you think of the Slingshot Travel Craft V1 90.
As good as the other Slingshots or too small?
I haven’t tried the travel craft. I don’t think it would be too small for advanced riders. 90cm might be perfect if foil track is near the back.
@@WakeThiefI might get one for this and kitefoiling then.
It's so helpful to have advice from someone who's tried so many, thank you!
hi sir, i am a newbie,going to buy axisfoil. i am like 70kg.
what’s the difference between progressive and flat rear wing?
what would you recommend
I prefer flat tails for pumping and progressives for carving (progressives have an anhedral shape which accelerated the roll of the foil which initiates turns)
@@WakeThief how about the board size? im 180cm, should i get 100 or 110?Slingshot Dwarf Craft
100
Interested in knowing how the crazy fly pure compares to the other boards they claim it is very light small and stormy would be great to know your thoughts
Sure! Will try to get our hands on it!
Great work, thank you!
Hi! thank you for this video! Do you think a RRD Manta 125 is a good board for a beginner?
I’m not familiar with it so can’t pass judgment.
i live by the ocean without boat or propulsion, is the liquid force Launch usable in swell and small 2ft surf to get up on foil?
Im not an expert. My guess is that the LF launch would be for waves bigger than that and 2ft is borderline.
Indiana has launched a new "Pump Foil 95 Carbon" this summer. I had the opportunity to try it this week-end and It felt like it matches a lot of criteria for adcanced riders, except the concave shape (it is 100% flat). Have no idea of the stiffness and how well it would perform on the resistance test. Any chance you could get one for testing ?
Yes! Indiana will be sending one next week. Thank you.
Great Stuff Devon. I really loved my Kanaha Shapes 3'6" until i snapped it in half. I have been riding the armstong 3'11" but find it too long, heavy and floaty. I tried the appletree carbon the other day with my axis 1300 and found it would just drop off foil. I could not figure out why.
When I went back to my Armstong, I really liked the extra length/leaver is gave me. Did you try the Armstrong?
We will be trying to the new Armstrong board soon! Thanks for the comment, Matt.
Hey wake theif, I am Interested In making one of these boards. I obviously don't want to copy a board made by another manufacturer, but have you ever made one out of foam and glassed it etc. I'd like to get a design tofollow. Any suggestions
I have no board making experience, but good luck. Just make sure it’s strong enough!
Are you able to connect a slingshot dwarfcraft v2 to a Indiana 1100p dock start foil? I’m trying to get into this hobby. I love the size, look, and build to the dwarfcraft board compared to the others. The problem being I’m new to this and not very knowledgeable and want this mainly for dock starting and messing around with friends at the lake and maybe in the future trying wake riding. I’m wanting budget and not having to break $2k+
Yes you can
Wow what a review!
FYI the FFB board comes with two rear pads in the box to choose from. One flat, one with arch. Looks like you forgot to add those.
What weight would you consider a heavy rider?
>200lb
I weigh 140lbs and I’m thinking of getting a new foil kit. I believe I’m going to get the 1150 axis foil, but not sure on the board. I am stuck between the nebula and the dwarf craft 100cm. My main concern is with how durable the dwarf craft is.
I’d recommend Hopecraft
Thanks for the recommendation @@WakeThief
Great video! Do you think it is possible to learn pump foiling on a 70-80L board? I have a foildrive and want to learn foilpumping for wingfoiling (I am 63kg). Do you have any recommendations for dimensions/ is this possible? Thanks a lot! 😄
It’s possible to learn on a big board but not easy. I’d recommend a board about 100-120cm that’s
@@WakeThief thanks! My idea was to use a bit speed of the Foildrive and learn pumping for winging (not pure foilpumping as a main goal). I will see if it works 🤓
what do you think about a 119cm board with 27L for a 73kg man? would be very happy about an answer
@emro2577 it will be just fine! Shorter and less volume is better for advanced riders.
My thoughts on the tray 110 were identical. The nose rocker pushes your front foot too high. The tray 125 nose rocker rises in front of your front foot leaving the deck much flatter. It’s night and day better in that way and worth a second look.
Thanks, Ryan. I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment!
Hi,
I don't have access to a boat so just want to learn dock starting. Any one of those boards stand out for that purpose only?
Yes. Dwarfcraft is fav. Any 3ft length board will work great.
@@WakeThief great just found one with 30% off. The axis are the way to go obviously but they are super expensive. Any budget tips for a foil set up?
Yea. Please check out our slingshot video from earlier this year. $1000 foil at mackite (see links in that video description).
great review!!!
Thank you! I was just looking at the photo you sent over today. Brings a smile to my face every time I see it. Thank you!
Hey have you seen the new Slingshot boards? Dwarfcraft v2 and Travel craft.
Would love to hear ur opinion
From what I understand, Dwarf v2 is the same as v1, just different graphics. I haven’t tried Travelcraft but will do. Thanks.
what board is would work well for hawaii waters? "ocean waters "
Could any of these boards be used as a wakeboard or surfboard when not foiling?
Yes. LF board. You can see link in description.
Thanks
You're a legend.
Try a Strizy board its the perfect foil board!
I'll check it out. Thanks Robin!
What mast length and wing model and sizes for the intermediate setup?
Depends on what you’re using it for. Pls email me. Wakethief@icloud.com
Amazing video
Have you tried the Naish Microchip?
I have not, but will try to get my hands on one. Thank you.
Curious about the Gong Kluber vs the options you have in the video
I’ll be trying that board soon.
@@WakeThief awesome. There’s no content about how it does towing up behind the boat, and nothing about wake foil in their marketing. Curious if it’s only good for dock start or if it still works for wake foil. Same question about the slingshot puddle pumper.
@seththeskier small boards are generally tough to tow up, so I’d guess both are geared to pumping
Ended up buying a Slingshot puddle pumper so I guess I’ll find out how tough it is to get up behind the boat
You’ll be fine. This sport isn’t easy, so it’s not like another board will shorten the learning curve by too much.
Hello wake thief ~ any chance you will test the sabfoil 1350? Thanks
Yes we will! Working on it now.
@@WakeThief I ordered it as well. It’s arriving this week ! So excited for your review ! thank you so much.From hong kong🇭🇰
Still waiting for de next🤙
Nice video
Mate your crazy AF ❤
Great video ! My broke board made it on the video at the 3:53 mark.
David!!!! Yes, thanks for the picture. I hope you're cool with me using it!
@@WakeThief No problem ! , Keep putting out the great video's, I have learned a ton just by watching your reviews ! I bought your 1150 pkg this spring and it has been awesome ! Such a huge difference over my old Slingshot setup. I'm getting 6 wakes back behind my unweighted 97 Malibu V-Drive.
Ha! Thanks David. I’m here if I can ever help.
@@WakeThief Did you break test the Axis Tray board ? If so what was the breaking force ?
Yes. It broke at ~340lb. We only showed the results of our top boards in the video, so had to check back on the footage.
Again an awesome review, but I should have cried when this beauties were destroyed
I know! It pained me too, but we decided we had to do it, because everyone had an opinion, but no one had data!
These things are so overpriced it's ridiculous.
Doesn't seem overpriced at all considering how much you'll use them and the materials they're made out of. The beginner packages are only $1k for everything you need and nicer sets get up around the $2.5k mark. You can get a whole package for the same price as a high end graphics card like a 4080 or 4090.
:( cracking board 😢
I hear you! Was painful for us too but we needed to try to dispel the hand waving on forums about actual vs perceived board strength.