As an Inter fan from Italy, watching that semi-final vs. Atalanta was so sad. There was barely anyone there and basically zero Italian fans present for the ITALIAN Super Cup. Wild and sad.
I don't think that American sports leagues playing in Europe is necessarily about "growing the game". There are NHL games in Finland every year now. Finland literally won 4 World Championships/Olympic Golds in the last 6 years...
It’s not about growing the game, it’s about growing their league. The NHL isn’t trying to bring awareness in hockey, they’re trying to give people the an opportunity to see some of the best hockey players in the world. Trust me the NHL isn’t worried about the popularity of ice hockey in Finland, they just want people in Finland to watch NHL. They just see an opportunity to create more fans of their product.
@@Not_Sal I'm not Finnish, but I'm in the same time zone. The NHL is a nightmare to watch and follow because the time difference is huge... Besides that, it's their domestic league and we have plenty of quality in Europe too. The German, Swiss, Swedish, Finnish, Czech, Austrian and even a couple of other leagues on occasion are well attended and put on a quality product. Most euro fans follow the local club/league plus the occasional exploits of guys from their club in the NHL.
@JeremiahKF The Champions Hockey League is revitalizing the sport across Europe. I'm in the UK, and recently we've had Belfast Giants play last season in the group stage and get some impressive results against Czech and Swedish teams. We don't need the NHL and we have add our own ultras European flavour to the sport that makes it more exciting. Have you seen ultras at an ice hockey game before? Madness.
he is clearly leaning into it He used to have different titles but once ppl started making the connection he started making titles exactly like moistcritcal
Channel 4 pushed NFL in the UK in the 1980s Marino Rice Montanna the Fridge etc and its been televised ever since latterly on Sky and as a result has a bigger uk following than many would imagine.
It's simliar in Germany. Multiple channels & streaming sides show it or almost force it upon us😉. I wish Rugby would have similar financial power to push into the german market more.
Whats better than capitalism then? Maybe you could say it’s the central banking system which is able to print infinite amounts of money, but capitalism?
@@eqeeqeqeqeeqeqeq6696 That central banking system is a key part of modern late-capitalism... Anti-capitalists are a broad group with various methods and ideas. With goals ranging from; t to just take the edge off of rampant unfettered capitalism. and other people who want a newer systems that tries to break the gross-inequality in society capitalism has brought/continued/worsened. One doesn't need to say "oh its specifically socialism, or anarcho-syndicalism, or etc etc that is *the* solution" to be able to say/realise rampant unfettered late-capitalism is the issue at the core of a bunch of this. Critiquing things, even if you dont have the solution at hand is exactly how analysis works. You have to know the symptoms before you find the cure, y'know? I'm simply just saying these issues are very tied to the current global capitalist system, where profits and growth are put ahead of human flourishment and living standards. Thats all - I'm not writing a manifesto for a better system. There's enough of those scholars out there doing/have-done that. Ones far smarter than I.
Only issue in terms of revenue for the Serie A/italian football as a whole is that the government makes it very difficult for any club to renovate or build a new stadium which can be more pleasant for fans and have bars, restaurants inside and around the stadium and a lot of stadiums in Italy are owned by the councils of where the stadium’s are based. The Meazza is owned by the Milan council, the Artemio Franchi isn’t owned by Fiorentina, Marassi (Stadio Luigi Ferraris) isn’t owned by Sampdoria or Genoa, the Maradona is owned by the Napoli council and not the club, etc etc. So on top of that, most of these clubs have to pay a fee every year to use the stadium. And if there happen to be other events like concerts, the money from those events don’t end up going to the clubs
Agreed. Am I right that the San Siro still has the same multi coloured seats installed for the 1990 world cup? How easy would it be to change the seats to red, black and blue? Obviously not easy when it is owned by a council!
@ yeah, still those same colours for those stands and tbh, I don’t think the colours need to be changed as someone who is a die hard for inter, with the whole commotion that went on with the ultras the ‘curva nord’ (inter ultras) have renamed themselves as the ‘secondo anello verde’ (second green ring) which is the section of where the ultras are based. So I don’t think that is the issue plus when it isn’t a derby, the fans of what team is playing can sit anywhere on the two tiers of San Siro. So it would be pretty weird for milan fans to sit at inter’s ultras side where it would be black and blue ahahah. With the San Siro it’s more so the money earned from it, despite it having a capacity of 75,000, it doesn’t earn as much as some of the other stadiums in Europe where there might be hotels, shops and restaurants. There are some VIP stuff from what I know but doesn’t earn much in comparison to the Bernabeu, for example. There have been discussions for renovations called by the mayor of Milano, but nothing has been decided. Milan already have plans to move out, Inter too but Inter are a bit behind with that. But what’s conflicting is that according to the president of Milan, plan A is to be with Inter at the San Siro or to build a new stadium together, and plan B is to build a separate stadium for Milan. It’s rather confusing because Milan have spent a bit just for the planning of this new stadium they want. And we have just leased some area just outside of Milano, to plan the new stadium, there has been no news about the future for the stadium(s) for about 2/3 months.
It's easy: The Premier League has kinda ruined football by having unlimited money and almost no restrictions and other leagues around the world can't keep up so they make tournaments up and play them in the only countries so dumb and with so little football culture that they are willing to throw money at you for your worst "tournament" to be held there. I mean, they paid 15 millions just for this 3 matches so good on serie A to accept them. Great analysis especially on the last part of the video, Premier got all of the money because english became the universal language, La Liga has the advantage of Spanish being like top 5 languages in the world and thus having a huge market pool. Meanwhile serie A used to be on top of the world but now money speaks and Premier and Real are the loudest. The premier league is not the best league in the world, just the richest (the correlation between the two things is very cyclical) so just get the bag where you can
Nobody has unlimited money because of financial fair play restrictions. You could say the other countries ruined football by not keeping up with the premier league. They were too busy funneling their profits to the top teams rather than spreading it out. And when people are watching premier league and la liga in China, India, Africa etc, theyre not watching it in english and spanish. Countries show football games using whatever the main language of that country is.
Why would the language matter? Premier league is biggest in Asia where English is NOT the lingua Franca. EPL is so rich as SkyTV NEEDS it so much to not go bust, so they slowly had to pry more and more as they can’t afford to lose it. The money slowly made the teams better and better and now it’s legitimately BY FAR the most competitive league. Even smaller teams like Brentford and Bournemouth have top international players in every position. This means any team can beat any other team most games so it’s good to watch.
@@daviebananas1735 I don‘t think you know what lingua franca means… Simple question: when two Asian gov‘t officials meet who don‘t speak each others languages, what language do you think they‘re going to use to converse?
Wow, and money didn't talk when Serie A clubs were on top in the '90s ? They spent tons of money back in the day, more than anyone else, every of the Seven Sisters had stacked squads that cost a lot
This is the main reason ive stopped liking football as much as i used to. The money in a sport that is predominately for working class people across the world now has a huge barrier of entry if you want to support a relatively big club. I may be called a casual, but i no longer support my club from when i was a small child due to high ticket prices, high merch costs, and the way that the sport is going. I currently live in a place where pretty competitive football is played without huge amounts of money, and a more community based feeling is around the club and ground. However, even that league is now being flooded with clubs that are either historically big or flush with money compared to other teams in the league. Ive become fairly apathetic to football at any high or highish level now.
Milan v Juve was sold out the next night, likely the final will be sold out too, I think the winner gets 8m and final loser gets 5m, apart from England and a few others that is big money for most clubs in the world for 2 games of football
Corporations are in financial competition with each other. Football clubs are too and additionally they are in sporting competition with each other, which directly ties back to the financial situation. It is essentially market economy on steroids. The Premier league has broken down any unspoken barriers, so everyone is now scrambling to keep up. Well except for the Bundesliga, kind of, I really hope that they stick to the middle way they are currently going, it would be very interesting to see where they end up.
Corporations are in financial competition with each other. Not really true. Mostly they try to limit all sorts of competition to maximize their profits
In all honesty, I'm all for it. Not a whole lot of people care about supercups. Serie A and La Liga can not compete financially with the Premier League. Now there is an opportunity to get tens of millions (40m for Spain, 20m for Italy) to host a game nobody cares about. This opportunity won't always be there, so take advantage whilst you can.
Why not put the Italian SuperCup in MetLife if they need so much money that they can't compete without whoring it out? Tons of Italian-Americans in the NYC area.
there was a problem with the gates thats why the game started with not a packed house but if you want to compare check the milan juve game which was packed and with a great atmosphere so please give saudi a chance as they actually are trying to change
I agree, UEFA and/or FIFA would have to put in place a similar thing that FIA put in place for F1, a spending cap per year. To help the smaller teams compete and also to make it more sustainable.
I disagree on the point that Italy needs to do anything for money. According to Deloitte Football Money League 2024 Juventus (11th), Milan (13th), Inter (14th) and Napoli (19th) were all within the top 20 football clubs with the highest revenue. "there have been notable changes between positions 11-20, with Eintracht Frankfurt, SCC Napoli and Olympique de Marseille replacing a trio of Premier League clubs in Leicester City, Leeds United and Everton." -> poorly performing PL teams actually were overtaken in terms of revenue. "Serie A clubs - AC Milan, FC Internazionale Milano and SSC Napoli - also reported significant revenue growth following strong on-pitch results, both domestically and in the UCL. SSC Napoli reported an 80% increase in broadcast revenues following their first Scudetto since 1989/90 and a strong UCL performance. Similarly, AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano reported increases of 30% and 22% having reached the semi-finals and finals of the UCL for the first time since 2006/07 and 2009/10, respectively." -> You don't get +30% revenue from some cup matchs in Saudi-Arabia for ~8 Million. (according to sources it's 200mil for 6 years divided by 4 clubs each year). Italy has a specific law in place to lower taxes on player wages. Their country is already giving them a significant advantage so they should at least play there. edit: scratch that last part. The law wasn't extended but it was active from 2019 to 2024.
Did you say you ate 40 wings at the Hippodrome? Never eat in Central, Zealand. I can only imagine you spent the value of a Brazilian wonder kid on those wings.
Crazy idea: Clubs dont have to do this if they spend within their means. And many clubs show that you can compete by spending within your means, although it is of course a sacrifice. But then it comes down to if you'd rather sacrifice some competitive edge or your intergrity
The bit about watching the NFL in the UK reminded me of something. So I split my time and sporting attention between the US and Australia. The wild thing for me is in Australia, a country that is fucking wild about its own sports leagues, there is a chain of sports bars called The Sporting Globe. Now admittedly, sports bars aren't really a thing down there, but this chain is trying to change that. But rather than anything relating to Australians ports, the ads they run mostly seem to just feature NFL stuff. It's so weird to see because as far as I can tell, nobody down there really cares much about the NFL, and I don't know why anyone would expect them to. They've got Rugby, which is...fine, if you're into Rugby. They've got the AFL, which is like if Rugby and the NFL did a shitload of coke and had a coke-addicted baby, and that's fucking awesome to watch. They've got the A-League which is a fun as hell league, even if it's nowhere close to the quality of the top leagues in Europe. But no, TSG's ads are just....NFL stuff, for some reason.
17 mins ago and my Chrome extension's telling me there's 66 likes to 50 dislikes, is this real? Do people actually stick up for the Saudi sportswashing?
Is it accurate or like the rest it's calculating a probable ratio? Asking because it doesn't sound realistic, more dislikes than the average attendance in the saudi league , maybe they missclicked or something
Hard salary cap. That would be the only solution. But of course this is impossible in competitions spanning multiple countries like the UCL. And that is what it's all about.
They should do what my FM game has done twice now and schedule the Super Cup in the US, in January, in Michigan. Even with freezing temps, high winds, and blowing snow more people will show up than this. The players might not make it through though, but the authorities obviously don't care about that.
is their an organization that oversees all these leagues andd if so do you think they should set up a thing like the NFL has where moiney is spread evenly acrocced all teams to save some of these historical leagues?
When i was a kid i used to play a very basic game of football manage então called Ellifoot, when i say basic is super basic really, but one thing in the game was that the more you played the more expensive the players the wages would become, at some point the players would start to leave the clubs when they couldnt pay the salary, and then they would become very cheap.
Also sad is that this is a golden era for Atalanta, probably their most successful period ever, and their fans still won't travel around the world to see a Super Cup game (which some count towards a treble without a league cup in place). If they won't, no one will
In terms of spectacle quality, Serie A is the second best league in the world after England. La Liga has fallen off a cliff, Madrid and Barcelona alone aren't enough because the rest of the league is shit, the Italians have the second most interesting league in Europe
The teams with the most amount of wins in both champion league and Europa league are both in laliga Also do you not watch laliga or something it's pretty entertaining how the teams serie a is just defense focused mainly
Go back 30 years to when Serie A was the best league in the world they still had restrictions on how many foreign players could be in a match day squad. The money came from dubious sources which is why the likes of Parma, Sampdoria, Fiorentina and Lazio imploded, it was just unsustainable. Nobody knew that English people would pay 70 -80 pounds a month just to watch Brighton v Fulham or Crystal Palace v Southampton live and the novelty has never worn off. Fans in other countries who could pay that kind of money to watch their own domestic leagues have decided it isn't worth it. That is the sole reason that the Premier League is so dominant, we English are stupid....
It is kinda serie A’s fault tho. They need to give more money To the smaller teams so they can be better and push the more popular teams which causes them to get better and the cycle continues. Iron sharpens iron.
@@ninjalectualx That must be why Real Madrid and Barca - clubs that are not capitalist (they are collectives) don’t engage in this type of behavior. Lolz just kidding. Capitalist, collective, not for profit, or for profit - all professional clubs do this type of thing. Because professionals by definition work for money. And competitions between professional orgs (such as a league) require everyone to compete over making money if they don’t want to be relegated. Most of these clubs are not for profit. They are not motivated by profit. They are motivated by winning. In professional sports however winning requires you to pay better (usually more expensive) players than your opponents.
It's incredibly stupid idea to play Supercoppa abroad, no doubt. But lets be honest, Serie A is not kind of league for American fans, never was, probably never will be.
Started watching the highlights last night. Almost couldnt focus on the game highlights since i kept focusing on how catastrophically empty the stands were and how terrible the atmosphere was.
7:11 we won't get meaningful change that's gonna lessen the amount of money in football unless people from all around the world agree to boycott everything that makes the richest clubs and leagues money. It would take time and effort just convincing people, but I really want to see that happen. The issue with everything is that once clubs agreed to put sponsors on their shirts and their stadium, it was the beginning of the slippery slope that contributed to clubs leagues chasing the bag whenever they can to get ahead of competition, outpricing fans in the process and creating a footballing elite that's never gonna quit their league's table top.
These sorts of short term cash grabs are only going to accelerate the down fall. They do not NEED to do this. Clubs in my country are very healthy with only a few thousand fans in the stands and the league is fun and competitive. We can not compete with the Premier League and so can't Italy, just accept that.
gulf countries aren't known for being footballing countries, maybe only Iran and/or Iraq but that's it. gulf countries should make a new confederation apart from AFC
I've got the same opinion I've had all along. If my home team plays a match at home and it isn't at our stadium; that's the last day I support the team (or football in general). Money already is destroying football and this is just an acceleration. The gap between the supporters in the stands and the players on the fields continues to grow. I'll just happily watch my local amateur teams instead of this circus. And yes, we can blame them. Don't compete, have some pride, don't be a whore for money.
I was going to comment this on the last video but it applies here to. Sports are no longer sports they are businesses. This is changing how leagues operate. It like the pro rel conversation in MLS. Pro rel is not good for The Sport but it is good for the sport.
May want to do an assessment of Serie A a bit more. Napoli spent the 2nd most in all of Europe last summer. Juventus would've been 1st if it weren't for sales and spent over $200M. Koopmeiners to Juventus was the 3rd highest transfer fee last summer as well at 55 million was spent. Also Serie A spent the 2nd most in all of Europe last summer, only behind the Premier League and nearly doubling the amount La Liga clubs spent. We need to bridge the gap still as its been a while a Serie A club won the UCL but its just not true we are behind Bundesliga and La Liga
Obviously it is the logical thing to do when you’re a league. And I still remember the German league wanting to sell off broadcasting rights. That was the logical thing 100% but the bundesliga Fans are trying to keep their dreams alive
Super Cups are probably the most pointless matches in Football so I cant care about where they are played when I dont care about them in the first place.
What needs to happen financially is the creation of a UEFA Super League without the UK. Maybe based on EU membership. Then continue the Champions and Europa League with the top 10 UK teams and the best from the Super League teams. A league with Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmud, PSG, Juventus, Inter, AC Milan etc... is the only way to compete financial with the EPL. EPL adds Celtic\Rangers as well becoming the UKPL I guess.
Nah, Zea. If the NFL truly were just trying to give people an opportunity to watch a sport they otherwise wouldn`t have had to watch it, you`d have been watching it on a "free to air" channel like the BBC or ITV, not on a subscription channel like Sky. The reason you can`t watch it on those channels is that they cannot afford to pay as much for it as the likes of Sky. Don`t kid yourself, mate, and please don`t try to kid me. I`m not stupid and I`m not gullible. The NFL will always be aired by the highest bidder.
Italian clubs/league should just accept their status. Not every league can be the best. Not every club can be the best. Wasn't that long ago Ajax were almost in a Champions League final. It wasn't money that got em there. In gamer speak, GIT GUD, SERIE A...
Ajax captured the lightning in a bottle with an insanely good generation of young players and what happened afterwards? They immediately got picked apart. 20 years ago smaller clubs could keep their players for a couple of years, nowadays the top clubs begin making contracts with prospects who are still in the womb of their mothers, so small clubs get at most one season out of their talents, just look how far South America has fallen behind Europe, when the continents where once roughly even. I don’t like games abroad but I don’t think it’s wrong to at least try staying competitive and just because Ajax managed it for one season doesn’t mean their strategy is a viable way for a whole league.
I am a doncaster rovers fan and I go to a lot of non league football. I will be different to most of our fans, but i hope Doncaster Never get to the premier league. Just ruins football.
@@milaninter2442 ac has a much bigger fanbase then inter and only started doing well recently (talking about the past 20-30 years not all of Italian football history)
@@wolfbad512 The fact that you call them "ac" just shows me how much you know of Italian football. I would never disrespect our cousins like that. It's time for you to go do a deep dive on Italian football 🤝🏻
@ can't make an argument so you result into a straw man argument Tell your players to have those manners who disrespected ac Milan last season with that shirt on flag
@@wolfbad512 There is no argument to be had with a person who calls Milan "ac" imo. So we won our 20th league title against our rivals in the derby and you're upset about Tikus putting his shirt on the corner flag and celebrating with the curva nord? Makes sense.
BTW the super copa tournament of Spain (also with 4 teams) will also be played in Saudi Arabia next week. But the stadiums will be full. Saudi Arabia is a country with a big population that is much into football. So the only problem here is that no one actually cares about Italian football anymore, the reason why the stadiums are half empty. (but maybe in the final with ac milan vs inter milan it will be better).
Well the other semifinal of Juve vs. AC Milan was sold out with mostly AC Milan fans. Idk I dont necessarily think no one cares, but rather that Atalanta and Inter dont really have the international marketing pull and capability of Juve and esp AC Milan... Still hate that it is played there doe
Yeah in part true but you make it sound like that money is the only way but its not like that, the reality is stadiums and TV rights are the ones pulling the big money and that's where the league has fell behind.
As an Inter fan from Italy, watching that semi-final vs. Atalanta was so sad. There was barely anyone there and basically zero Italian fans present for the ITALIAN Super Cup. Wild and sad.
Xenophobic comment. Typical hateful European
Inter vs Milan for the final not being played at San Siro is actually a disgrace
Domestic cups should be played domestically
Premier league clubs should stop inflating the Global transfer market.
@@bigchunguscultmember1267 psg started it
@@wolfbad512 89m for pogba started it
@@chris-kn8nx good point
After thinking about it more I think it's the fault of premier league yeah
What
No views in 58 seconds. Bro is wearing a hat.
At least it's not on backwards
hes too cooooool
The people yearn for the forehead
Thanks for letting me know this is a boring video, I won't bother watching it
@@ninjalectualx This is Zelandism. It's always "boring". We always watch it.
I don't think that American sports leagues playing in Europe is necessarily about "growing the game". There are NHL games in Finland every year now.
Finland literally won 4 World Championships/Olympic Golds in the last 6 years...
It’s not about growing the game, it’s about growing their league. The NHL isn’t trying to bring awareness in hockey, they’re trying to give people the an opportunity to see some of the best hockey players in the world. Trust me the NHL isn’t worried about the popularity of ice hockey in Finland, they just want people in Finland to watch NHL. They just see an opportunity to create more fans of their product.
@@Not_Sal I'm not Finnish, but I'm in the same time zone. The NHL is a nightmare to watch and follow because the time difference is huge... Besides that, it's their domestic league and we have plenty of quality in Europe too. The German, Swiss, Swedish, Finnish, Czech, Austrian and even a couple of other leagues on occasion are well attended and put on a quality product. Most euro fans follow the local club/league plus the occasional exploits of guys from their club in the NHL.
@ NHL doesn’t care about that, they see potential customers and potential $$$, thats it.
@jeremiah Yes that's exactly why they're trying to promote their league. This is capitalism 101 how are you surprised
@JeremiahKF The Champions Hockey League is revitalizing the sport across Europe. I'm in the UK, and recently we've had Belfast Giants play last season in the group stage and get some impressive results against Czech and Swedish teams. We don't need the NHL and we have add our own ultras European flavour to the sport that makes it more exciting. Have you seen ultras at an ice hockey game before? Madness.
you're back in your room????
not even running away from the footballing bodies anymore, this channel's gone soft
This channel makes me feel like it's the MoistCr1tikal of soccer
Moist is just the Zealander of non-football stuffs
he is clearly leaning into it
He used to have different titles but once ppl started making the connection he started making titles exactly like moistcritcal
Outrageous! Charlie has plenty of hair and won't go bald in a few years.
i love listening to you talk about nothing to the point where it became a part of my comfort zone. thanks z
Channel 4 pushed NFL in the UK in the 1980s Marino Rice Montanna the Fridge etc and its been televised ever since latterly on Sky and as a result has a bigger uk following than many would imagine.
It's simliar in Germany. Multiple channels & streaming sides show it or almost force it upon us😉.
I wish Rugby would have similar financial power to push into the german market more.
Greed knows no limits.
Nothing says greed quite like multiple clubs going bankrupt in the last 5 years
zealand got soooo close to realising the problem is capitalism itself
He's American after all it'll take him a while
Give him time.
The Italian Supercoppa radicalized Zealand lmaoo
Whats better than capitalism then? Maybe you could say it’s the central banking system which is able to print infinite amounts of money, but capitalism?
@@eqeeqeqeqeeqeqeq6696 That central banking system is a key part of modern late-capitalism...
Anti-capitalists are a broad group with various methods and ideas. With goals ranging from; t
to just take the edge off of rampant unfettered capitalism.
and other people who want a newer systems that tries to break the gross-inequality in society capitalism has brought/continued/worsened.
One doesn't need to say "oh its specifically socialism, or anarcho-syndicalism, or etc etc that is *the* solution" to be able to say/realise rampant unfettered late-capitalism is the issue at the core of a bunch of this.
Critiquing things, even if you dont have the solution at hand is exactly how analysis works. You have to know the symptoms before you find the cure, y'know?
I'm simply just saying these issues are very tied to the current global capitalist system, where profits and growth are put ahead of human flourishment and living standards.
Thats all - I'm not writing a manifesto for a better system. There's enough of those scholars out there doing/have-done that. Ones far smarter than I.
You can't hide that forehead forever!
*THiS* is incredible. 10 points deducted from Everton for that.
Only issue in terms of revenue for the Serie A/italian football as a whole is that the government makes it very difficult for any club to renovate or build a new stadium which can be more pleasant for fans and have bars, restaurants inside and around the stadium and a lot of stadiums in Italy are owned by the councils of where the stadium’s are based. The Meazza is owned by the Milan council, the Artemio Franchi isn’t owned by Fiorentina, Marassi (Stadio Luigi Ferraris) isn’t owned by Sampdoria or Genoa, the Maradona is owned by the Napoli council and not the club, etc etc. So on top of that, most of these clubs have to pay a fee every year to use the stadium. And if there happen to be other events like concerts, the money from those events don’t end up going to the clubs
Agreed. Am I right that the San Siro still has the same multi coloured seats installed for the 1990 world cup? How easy would it be to change the seats to red, black and blue? Obviously not easy when it is owned by a council!
@ yeah, still those same colours for those stands and tbh, I don’t think the colours need to be changed as someone who is a die hard for inter, with the whole commotion that went on with the ultras the ‘curva nord’ (inter ultras) have renamed themselves as the ‘secondo anello verde’ (second green ring) which is the section of where the ultras are based. So I don’t think that is the issue plus when it isn’t a derby, the fans of what team is playing can sit anywhere on the two tiers of San Siro. So it would be pretty weird for milan fans to sit at inter’s ultras side where it would be black and blue ahahah.
With the San Siro it’s more so the money earned from it, despite it having a capacity of 75,000, it doesn’t earn as much as some of the other stadiums in Europe where there might be hotels, shops and restaurants. There are some VIP stuff from what I know but doesn’t earn much in comparison to the Bernabeu, for example. There have been discussions for renovations called by the mayor of Milano, but nothing has been decided. Milan already have plans to move out, Inter too but Inter are a bit behind with that. But what’s conflicting is that according to the president of Milan, plan A is to be with Inter at the San Siro or to build a new stadium together, and plan B is to build a separate stadium for Milan. It’s rather confusing because Milan have spent a bit just for the planning of this new stadium they want. And we have just leased some area just outside of Milano, to plan the new stadium, there has been no news about the future for the stadium(s) for about 2/3 months.
Nottingham poached Fiorentina's star defender last summer lol.
It's easy:
The Premier League has kinda ruined football by having unlimited money and almost no restrictions and other leagues around the world can't keep up so they make tournaments up and play them in the only countries so dumb and with so little football culture that they are willing to throw money at you for your worst "tournament" to be held there.
I mean, they paid 15 millions just for this 3 matches so good on serie A to accept them.
Great analysis especially on the last part of the video, Premier got all of the money because english became the universal language, La Liga has the advantage of Spanish being like top 5 languages in the world and thus having a huge market pool. Meanwhile serie A used to be on top of the world but now money speaks and Premier and Real are the loudest.
The premier league is not the best league in the world, just the richest (the correlation between the two things is very cyclical) so just get the bag where you can
Nobody has unlimited money because of financial fair play restrictions. You could say the other countries ruined football by not keeping up with the premier league. They were too busy funneling their profits to the top teams rather than spreading it out. And when people are watching premier league and la liga in China, India, Africa etc, theyre not watching it in english and spanish. Countries show football games using whatever the main language of that country is.
Why would the language matter? Premier league is biggest in Asia where English is NOT the lingua Franca. EPL is so rich as SkyTV NEEDS it so much to not go bust, so they slowly had to pry more and more as they can’t afford to lose it. The money slowly made the teams better and better and now it’s legitimately BY FAR the most competitive league. Even smaller teams like Brentford and Bournemouth have top international players in every position. This means any team can beat any other team most games so it’s good to watch.
@@daviebananas1735 I don‘t think you know what lingua franca means… Simple question: when two Asian gov‘t officials meet who don‘t speak each others languages, what language do you think they‘re going to use to converse?
@napolean_ragland "Nobody has unlimited money because of financial fair play restrictions" AHAHAHAHAHAH funniest thing I've read in 2025 so far
Wow, and money didn't talk when Serie A clubs were on top in the '90s ? They spent tons of money back in the day, more than anyone else, every of the Seven Sisters had stacked squads that cost a lot
The sooner this money bubble bursts the better, then we can’t finally have our game back
This is the main reason ive stopped liking football as much as i used to. The money in a sport that is predominately for working class people across the world now has a huge barrier of entry if you want to support a relatively big club. I may be called a casual, but i no longer support my club from when i was a small child due to high ticket prices, high merch costs, and the way that the sport is going. I currently live in a place where pretty competitive football is played without huge amounts of money, and a more community based feeling is around the club and ground. However, even that league is now being flooded with clubs that are either historically big or flush with money compared to other teams in the league. Ive become fairly apathetic to football at any high or highish level now.
Milan v Juve was sold out the next night, likely the final will be sold out too, I think the winner gets 8m and final loser gets 5m, apart from England and a few others that is big money for most clubs in the world for 2 games of football
0:02 the sound your car churns out when you try to start it in -10 °C
I don’t know how I feel about Zealand being dressed for a night out.
Funnily enough, the first time the Supercoppa was played abroad, it was in the USA, in 1993.
Corporations are in financial competition with each other. Football clubs are too and additionally they are in sporting competition with each other, which directly ties back to the financial situation. It is essentially market economy on steroids.
The Premier league has broken down any unspoken barriers, so everyone is now scrambling to keep up. Well except for the Bundesliga, kind of, I really hope that they stick to the middle way they are currently going, it would be very interesting to see where they end up.
Corporations are in financial competition with each other.
Not really true. Mostly they try to limit all sorts of competition to maximize their profits
In all honesty, I'm all for it. Not a whole lot of people care about supercups. Serie A and La Liga can not compete financially with the Premier League. Now there is an opportunity to get tens of millions (40m for Spain, 20m for Italy) to host a game nobody cares about. This opportunity won't always be there, so take advantage whilst you can.
Spain too have supercup in saudi arabia
Why not put the Italian SuperCup in MetLife if they need so much money that they can't compete without whoring it out? Tons of Italian-Americans in the NYC area.
there was a problem with the gates thats why the game started with not a packed house but if you want to compare check the milan juve game which was packed and with a great atmosphere so please give saudi a chance as they actually are trying to change
I agree, UEFA and/or FIFA would have to put in place a similar thing that FIA put in place for F1, a spending cap per year. To help the smaller teams compete and also to make it more sustainable.
I disagree on the point that Italy needs to do anything for money.
According to Deloitte Football Money League 2024 Juventus (11th), Milan (13th), Inter (14th) and Napoli (19th) were all within the top 20 football clubs with the highest revenue.
"there have been notable changes between positions 11-20, with Eintracht Frankfurt, SCC Napoli and Olympique de Marseille replacing a trio of Premier League clubs in Leicester City, Leeds United and Everton."
-> poorly performing PL teams actually were overtaken in terms of revenue.
"Serie A clubs - AC Milan, FC Internazionale Milano and SSC Napoli - also reported significant revenue growth following strong on-pitch results, both domestically and in the UCL. SSC Napoli reported an 80% increase in broadcast revenues following their first Scudetto since 1989/90 and a strong UCL performance. Similarly, AC Milan and FC Internazionale Milano reported increases of 30% and 22% having reached the semi-finals and finals of the UCL for the first time since 2006/07 and 2009/10, respectively."
-> You don't get +30% revenue from some cup matchs in Saudi-Arabia for ~8 Million. (according to sources it's 200mil for 6 years divided by 4 clubs each year).
Italy has a specific law in place to lower taxes on player wages. Their country is already giving them a significant advantage so they should at least play there.
edit: scratch that last part. The law wasn't extended but it was active from 2019 to 2024.
Did you say you ate 40 wings at the Hippodrome? Never eat in Central, Zealand. I can only imagine you spent the value of a Brazilian wonder kid on those wings.
Keyword in the title being "house", there were enough ppl to fill a house but not a stadium.
Crazy idea: Clubs dont have to do this if they spend within their means. And many clubs show that you can compete by spending within your means, although it is of course a sacrifice. But then it comes down to if you'd rather sacrifice some competitive edge or your intergrity
The bit about watching the NFL in the UK reminded me of something. So I split my time and sporting attention between the US and Australia. The wild thing for me is in Australia, a country that is fucking wild about its own sports leagues, there is a chain of sports bars called The Sporting Globe. Now admittedly, sports bars aren't really a thing down there, but this chain is trying to change that. But rather than anything relating to Australians ports, the ads they run mostly seem to just feature NFL stuff. It's so weird to see because as far as I can tell, nobody down there really cares much about the NFL, and I don't know why anyone would expect them to. They've got Rugby, which is...fine, if you're into Rugby. They've got the AFL, which is like if Rugby and the NFL did a shitload of coke and had a coke-addicted baby, and that's fucking awesome to watch. They've got the A-League which is a fun as hell league, even if it's nowhere close to the quality of the top leagues in Europe.
But no, TSG's ads are just....NFL stuff, for some reason.
The world will end if the FA Community Shield ever held in the United States or outside of England/Wales
17 mins ago and my Chrome extension's telling me there's 66 likes to 50 dislikes, is this real? Do people actually stick up for the Saudi sportswashing?
Same. Currently 86 dislikes to 70 likes
Is it accurate or like the rest it's calculating a probable ratio? Asking because it doesn't sound realistic, more dislikes than the average attendance in the saudi league , maybe they missclicked or something
On mobile, I can only see 196 likes and 2 dislikes
How do you see dislikes?
@ i have a chrome extension called return TH-cam dislike, obviously not perfect but it rly helps sometimes
Hard salary cap. That would be the only solution. But of course this is impossible in competitions spanning multiple countries like the UCL. And that is what it's all about.
@@orlocks1797 hard salary cap would never work in football
@@jiggy7108 I know. It's much to late to even think about it.
Siria?! i can only hear siria everytime when zeeland says "serie A"
They should do what my FM game has done twice now and schedule the Super Cup in the US, in January, in Michigan. Even with freezing temps, high winds, and blowing snow more people will show up than this. The players might not make it through though, but the authorities obviously don't care about that.
Wait next week to see the same with the Spanish Supercup
Imagine if they spent money on human rights instead of super cups and world cups
is their an organization that oversees all these leagues andd if so do you think they should set up a thing like the NFL has where moiney is spread evenly acrocced all teams to save some of these historical leagues?
When i was a kid i used to play a very basic game of football manage então called Ellifoot, when i say basic is super basic really, but one thing in the game was that the more you played the more expensive the players the wages would become, at some point the players would start to leave the clubs when they couldnt pay the salary, and then they would become very cheap.
Even the fucking Polish league wanted to host its Supercup in Miami.
If they wanted to do it in Philly, where a lot of poles live, I would be less surprised
Why not Chicago? Big Polish community there.
I'm guessing both of these have fewer beaches to for the federation big fish to go to lol
4:40 and psg
40 wings is crazy
Man, weird that Saudis wouldn't care and Italians couldn't/wouldn't go.
Also sad is that this is a golden era for Atalanta, probably their most successful period ever, and their fans still won't travel around the world to see a Super Cup game (which some count towards a treble without a league cup in place). If they won't, no one will
I hate the supercoppa being played in the middle of nowhere
I have no problem with serie a doing this because everyone needs to figure out some way to somehow keep up with the premier league.
Remember when the Premier League used to hold games in Wales in the mid-late 2010s. Absolutely disgusting glad it's stopped 🏴
Fun Fact:
Saudi Arabia is part of Italy.
Fun fact: huh?
In terms of spectacle quality, Serie A is the second best league in the world after England. La Liga has fallen off a cliff, Madrid and Barcelona alone aren't enough because the rest of the league is shit, the Italians have the second most interesting league in Europe
The teams with the most amount of wins in both champion league and Europa league are both in laliga
Also do you not watch laliga or something it's pretty entertaining how the teams serie a is just defense focused mainly
Go back 30 years to when Serie A was the best league in the world they still had restrictions on how many foreign players could be in a match day squad. The money came from dubious sources which is why the likes of Parma, Sampdoria, Fiorentina and Lazio imploded, it was just unsustainable. Nobody knew that English people would pay 70 -80 pounds a month just to watch Brighton v Fulham or Crystal Palace v Southampton live and the novelty has never worn off. Fans in other countries who could pay that kind of money to watch their own domestic leagues have decided it isn't worth it. That is the sole reason that the Premier League is so dominant, we English are stupid....
It is kinda serie A’s fault tho. They need to give more money
To the smaller teams so they can be better and push the more popular teams which causes them to get better and the cycle continues. Iron sharpens iron.
I work for a very small minor league team. Worst attendance in the US. And they look better than this.
capitalism and profit orientation is the overarching problem
In one word “professionalism”
No its is capitalism. They literally just told you. It has nothing whatsoever to do with professionalism
@@ninjalectualx That must be why Real Madrid and Barca - clubs that are not capitalist (they are collectives) don’t engage in this type of behavior.
Lolz just kidding. Capitalist, collective, not for profit, or for profit - all professional clubs do this type of thing. Because professionals by definition work for money. And competitions between professional orgs (such as a league) require everyone to compete over making money if they don’t want to be relegated.
Most of these clubs are not for profit. They are not motivated by profit. They are motivated by winning. In professional sports however winning requires you to pay better (usually more expensive) players than your opponents.
It's incredibly stupid idea to play Supercoppa abroad, no doubt. But lets be honest, Serie A is not kind of league for American fans, never was, probably never will be.
Started watching the highlights last night. Almost couldnt focus on the game highlights since i kept focusing on how catastrophically empty the stands were and how terrible the atmosphere was.
ESPN still bitter the league gets any respect after years of treating it like garbage
Sometimes Zealand has good takes too
7:11 we won't get meaningful change that's gonna lessen the amount of money in football unless people from all around the world agree to boycott everything that makes the richest clubs and leagues money. It would take time and effort just convincing people, but I really want to see that happen.
The issue with everything is that once clubs agreed to put sponsors on their shirts and their stadium, it was the beginning of the slippery slope that contributed to clubs leagues chasing the bag whenever they can to get ahead of competition, outpricing fans in the process and creating a footballing elite that's never gonna quit their league's table top.
These sorts of short term cash grabs are only going to accelerate the down fall. They do not NEED to do this. Clubs in my country are very healthy with only a few thousand fans in the stands and the league is fun and competitive. We can not compete with the Premier League and so can't Italy, just accept that.
Why should we care about this? Let the international fans enjoy this. Plus Serie A needs the money to compete.
Starting to think it was a bad idea to sell out the game of football to people who never seemed particularly interested in football.
Why you choose to ignore the fact that the other semifinal, juve vs ac milan, was completely packed?
gulf countries aren't known for being footballing countries, maybe only Iran and/or Iraq but that's it. gulf countries should make a new confederation apart from AFC
I've got the same opinion I've had all along. If my home team plays a match at home and it isn't at our stadium; that's the last day I support the team (or football in general).
Money already is destroying football and this is just an acceleration. The gap between the supporters in the stands and the players on the fields continues to grow. I'll just happily watch my local amateur teams instead of this circus.
And yes, we can blame them. Don't compete, have some pride, don't be a whore for money.
TLDR:
Devalue your league, destroy your league.
If you do it Many times you don't just lose the matched you will started getting fines and penalties for not competing
If you dont do it you will become bankrupt
Real Madrid played in Serie A?
Wth is this dislike ratio
Saudi Arabia has as many troll farms as Russia
But it's not for you, it's for them!
I was going to comment this on the last video but it applies here to. Sports are no longer sports they are businesses. This is changing how leagues operate. It like the pro rel conversation in MLS. Pro rel is not good for The Sport but it is good for the sport.
He's wearing his hat the right way around...wtf?
May want to do an assessment of Serie A a bit more. Napoli spent the 2nd most in all of Europe last summer. Juventus would've been 1st if it weren't for sales and spent over $200M. Koopmeiners to Juventus was the 3rd highest transfer fee last summer as well at 55 million was spent. Also Serie A spent the 2nd most in all of Europe last summer, only behind the Premier League and nearly doubling the amount La Liga clubs spent. We need to bridge the gap still as its been a while a Serie A club won the UCL but its just not true we are behind Bundesliga and La Liga
Obviously it is the logical thing to do when you’re a league. And I still remember the German league wanting to sell off broadcasting rights. That was the logical thing 100% but the bundesliga Fans are trying to keep their dreams alive
The reason football lost its spirit is the EU ban on the "just 3 foreign players rule".
Now watch the globohomo "fans" call you racist and follow up with a rant about how great Bilbao is
The saudis are just dong what europe has been doing for decades: throw money around and get what you want
Salary Caps in European football? Blasphemy, thats what people complain about whats in the MLS.
Super Cups are probably the most pointless matches in Football so I cant care about where they are played when I dont care about them in the first place.
What needs to happen financially is the creation of a UEFA Super League without the UK. Maybe based on EU membership. Then continue the Champions and Europa League with the top 10 UK teams and the best from the Super League teams. A league with Real, Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmud, PSG, Juventus, Inter, AC Milan etc... is the only way to compete financial with the EPL. EPL adds Celtic\Rangers as well becoming the UKPL I guess.
Absolutely disgraceful that any non-Saudi organisation accepts any money from any Saudi body.
We all always see that capitalism is the problem, it's just that some people are afraid to verbalize it.
I need an answer. Is fm a monthly subscription off of steam?
no
do you not have google in your country?
No it isn't
@@jamesdrummond7684 here in Uzbekistan girbingullie birdiemahamadov blocks this google thing.
Maybe you should learn about the problems with capitalism
you miss the part where it is the problem of late capitalism - we need reform
Let me guess, more government intervention?
Nah, Zea.
If the NFL truly were just trying to give people an opportunity to watch a sport they otherwise wouldn`t have had to watch it, you`d have been watching it on a "free to air" channel like the BBC or ITV, not on a subscription channel like Sky.
The reason you can`t watch it on those channels is that they cannot afford to pay as much for it as the likes of Sky. Don`t kid yourself, mate, and please don`t try to kid me. I`m not stupid and I`m not gullible.
The NFL will always be aired by the highest bidder.
Don’t see how you can’t put the fault at fifa as regulators and being the biggest culprits of this
Italian clubs/league should just accept their status. Not every league can be the best. Not every club can be the best. Wasn't that long ago Ajax were almost in a Champions League final. It wasn't money that got em there.
In gamer speak, GIT GUD, SERIE A...
Ajax captured the lightning in a bottle with an insanely good generation of young players and what happened afterwards? They immediately got picked apart. 20 years ago smaller clubs could keep their players for a couple of years, nowadays the top clubs begin making contracts with prospects who are still in the womb of their mothers, so small clubs get at most one season out of their talents, just look how far South America has fallen behind Europe, when the continents where once roughly even. I don’t like games abroad but I don’t think it’s wrong to at least try staying competitive and just because Ajax managed it for one season doesn’t mean their strategy is a viable way for a whole league.
I am a doncaster rovers fan and I go to a lot of non league football. I will be different to most of our fans, but i hope Doncaster Never get to the premier league. Just ruins football.
Ac Milan vs Juve was completely sold out w/ Milan fans. It’s a issue of the clubs just being small (especially inter)
Ahh, that small club I believe is 12 points ahead of you in the league, that must hurt...🤭
@@milaninter2442 ac has a much bigger fanbase then inter and only started doing well recently (talking about the past 20-30 years not all of Italian football history)
@@wolfbad512 The fact that you call them "ac" just shows me how much you know of Italian football. I would never disrespect our cousins like that. It's time for you to go do a deep dive on Italian football 🤝🏻
@ can't make an argument so you result into a straw man argument
Tell your players to have those manners who disrespected ac Milan last season with that shirt on flag
@@wolfbad512 There is no argument to be had with a person who calls Milan "ac" imo. So we won our 20th league title against our rivals in the derby and you're upset about Tikus putting his shirt on the corner flag and celebrating with the curva nord? Makes sense.
BTW the super copa tournament of Spain (also with 4 teams) will also be played in Saudi Arabia next week. But the stadiums will be full. Saudi Arabia is a country with a big population that is much into football. So the only problem here is that no one actually cares about Italian football anymore, the reason why the stadiums are half empty. (but maybe in the final with ac milan vs inter milan it will be better).
Well the other semifinal of Juve vs. AC Milan was sold out with mostly AC Milan fans. Idk I dont necessarily think no one cares, but rather that Atalanta and Inter dont really have the international marketing pull and capability of Juve and esp AC Milan... Still hate that it is played there doe
We actually can blame them , make better business decisions And you won’t have to take Saudi Money…
I’m glad something like that will never happen in Germany or 🎾🎾🎾
I don’t get it why “everyone” wants to compete in this Rat Race wich they cannot win.
as an italian who loves serie a, this is very disappointing
What the hell is that hoodie
Yeah in part true but you make it sound like that money is the only way but its not like that, the reality is stadiums and TV rights are the ones pulling the big money and that's where the league has fell behind.
Maybe “The Game” should stop thinking like greedy tech bros and stop trying to “grow” everything?
this isnt FM its the real world soo... you are wrong
Haat
Just like the world at large, capitalism is killing football.
Hi
It’s so sad that English teams are able to spend so much because the fans are being exploited so much with prices and it is destroying world football.