I think that stereo is 31 or 32 years old as of this year, so yeah it's within that age range. Maybe some sound caps are going bad? Certainly possible after that many years. I remember watching Card Sharks on the screen room TV when I was last there! That was enjoyable.
Well, it did work fine whenever we used it. I have a hard time believing it has a tremendous amount of hours on it, and based on that age, I think the caps are fine since it wasn't during the capacitor plague era. I think it's an impedance mismatch. Yes, that was a great time watching Card Sharks. No worries, we'll be able to do that STILL after what's to come!
2 reasons: 1. Care and handling. A lot, lot, lot of people are looking for new flatscreen TVs, phones, and tablets this season. Their old ones WERE fine and certainly fit the bill for use. But they were not used, rather ABused, and therefore suffered physical damage (i.e. cracked screen) . You can't really blame the device on that one. 2. They're made in China.
@@westelaudio943 Usually cheaply built. Remember though, you can't blame the Chinese people for that, it's not their fault. The American slavedrivers of conglomerations are all about profit, profit, profit. They give the designs over and make them build it as cheaply as possible to maximize profit. Then, when it breaks, the hope is you will buy another from the same brand, so they can get repeat business. It's not like the old days, where companies were ashamed to produce a poor quality product.
@@jaykay18 And it's not even limited to those products. Cars for example are rarely made there, as of now. Mercedes, BMW were once known for their reliability and service friendliness, can you believe it?
can't expect much from a 90s avr. lucky to get 30 years out of it. as far as the capacitor plague....yes that came later but the 90s were a very bad time for capacitors because everyone was experimenting and trying to reformulate electrolytes to lower production costs(because of this the capacitor plague happened) ..luckily the capacitor plague was mostly limited to taiwanese capacitors and not caps from china or japan. 90s caps are worse on average than 70s and 80s caps in my experience. if i get a unit on my bench that is only 20 years old, it gets recapped. everything gets recapped.
Yes, 70s and 80s caps are definitely better, I will agree with you there. There are 2 schools of thought on recapping things, those who immediately do it, need it or not, and those who do it if needed. The very computer I am replying to you from is "vintage" from 2005. EVERY SINGLE CAPACITOR on the mainboard is blown. Yet this thing keeps trudging along. No instability, no crashing, just runs and never complains. Hasn't even been restarted in a month. You can recap it, and it will boot right back up and work like it has been.
Oh dick, I have a Pioneer VSX-451 of the same vintage! Hopefully not to big of an issue with that 452. Could very well be as simple as an impedance mismatch. Mine sounds great, with the big Fisher speakers, mounted above my desk. As for the tv, that sounds like crapacitors are going bad. Probably run just fine, as is, since it eventually clears up.
I still need to look it up and see what impedance it wants, and what it's connected to. I thought so, they are old, as that TV is from the 80s. It RAN fine, until it didn't. Coming up!
ill take a 30 year old product that i can fix when broken, over a 5 year old product that gets chucked in the garbage because it's designed as unrepairable.
That can't possibly be the original mid. It looks very out of place. That shape looks like it should be mounted deep inside a plastic ghetto blaster or all-in-1 bookshelf unit. Are you sure the tweeters are good? Mids usually sound like trash anyway, I prefer them cut off.
I thought the same, but I certainly have never changed them nor have I known that they ever had been changed. As ancient as I am, these speakers are more ancient. My uncle bought them new in the 70s, if the midrange popped it was likely early on. The tweeters are still firing, but I don't think their response is very good. I'll replace them when I refurbish this. I don't like a lot of mid either, but I do find it helps round out the sound.
@@jaykay18 The mid looks period correct though so it would be an early replacement, or maybe the manufacturer changed suppliers and/or just didn't bother cutting out the pin-cushion shape which is hard to machine. Most speakers back then weren't meant to be used and seen without the grill anyways, which was only removable for servicing. I wouldn't change those tweeters personally. They aren't that bad really and a new tweeter won't fit the crossover correctly and might even blow. Maybe you can source the original parts somewhere. Fisher speakers were pretty good (before the Sanyo takeover, mostly) and the engineers knew what they were doing when they put them together.
@@westelaudio943 Yes, if it were replaced, it was likely early on in the speaker's life. I'll price out the tweeters and see what they cost. I've heard from both side of the fence about Fisher stuff, even the early ones, some say it's great, some say it's junk.
Absolutely incorrect. I take the UTMOST care of my stuff. I'm a service technician by trade, so I get to see what OTHER people do to abuse their stuff, and I'm the one who has to fix it. There are also no recycling centers near here.
im a big vintage guy, most of my stereo gear is well over 40 years old but at some point they degrade to that point where its time to upgrade. those speakers you showed were cheap poor quality when they were new, im not ragging on you but tech has come a long way and you can get new stuff that is much smaller and sounds way better then those speakers did when they were new. the amp is just dying, time to upgrade to at least 5.1 stereo. just to be clear i have a pair of clipsh speakers that were made in the late 50's and a pair of yamaha ms 150's i bought 44 years ago, both those items were super high quality top of the line gear and thats why they still sound good.....
I know those speakers weren't great even when new. But I like the look and the cabinets. This is the second stereo setup, in the basement, In the living room I have an even larger TV of course, and some Klipsch floorstanders I bought over 25 years ago that still sound as good as day 1. Those are driven by a Sansui early 80s receiver. I have no need for 5.1 or Atmos or anything beyond all that.
I think that stereo is 31 or 32 years old as of this year, so yeah it's within that age range. Maybe some sound caps are going bad? Certainly possible after that many years.
I remember watching Card Sharks on the screen room TV when I was last there! That was enjoyable.
Well, it did work fine whenever we used it. I have a hard time believing it has a tremendous amount of hours on it, and based on that age, I think the caps are fine since it wasn't during the capacitor plague era. I think it's an impedance mismatch.
Yes, that was a great time watching Card Sharks. No worries, we'll be able to do that STILL after what's to come!
The more ridiculous question is why do all my one-year-old products keep breaking?
2 reasons:
1. Care and handling. A lot, lot, lot of people are looking for new flatscreen TVs, phones, and tablets this season. Their old ones WERE fine and certainly fit the bill for use. But they were not used, rather ABused, and therefore suffered physical damage (i.e. cracked screen) . You can't really blame the device on that one.
2. They're made in China.
Over complicated and cheaply built at the same time.
@@westelaudio943 Usually cheaply built. Remember though, you can't blame the Chinese people for that, it's not their fault. The American slavedrivers of conglomerations are all about profit, profit, profit. They give the designs over and make them build it as cheaply as possible to maximize profit. Then, when it breaks, the hope is you will buy another from the same brand, so they can get repeat business. It's not like the old days, where companies were ashamed to produce a poor quality product.
@@jaykay18
And it's not even limited to those products. Cars for example are rarely made there, as of now. Mercedes, BMW were once known for their reliability and service friendliness, can you believe it?
@@westelaudio943 The only thing I know about Mercedes and BMW are their discourteous, dangerous drivers!
The speakers are more like 50yrs old... I have Scott speakers with the same tweeter and they were built in 1972
You are correct, these were originally made and purchased in the 70s.
can't expect much from a 90s avr. lucky to get 30 years out of it. as far as the capacitor plague....yes that came later but the 90s were a very bad time for capacitors because everyone was experimenting and trying to reformulate electrolytes to lower production costs(because of this the capacitor plague happened) ..luckily the capacitor plague was mostly limited to taiwanese capacitors and not caps from china or japan. 90s caps are worse on average than 70s and 80s caps in my experience. if i get a unit on my bench that is only 20 years old, it gets recapped. everything gets recapped.
Yes, 70s and 80s caps are definitely better, I will agree with you there. There are 2 schools of thought on recapping things, those who immediately do it, need it or not, and those who do it if needed. The very computer I am replying to you from is "vintage" from 2005. EVERY SINGLE CAPACITOR on the mainboard is blown. Yet this thing keeps trudging along. No instability, no crashing, just runs and never complains. Hasn't even been restarted in a month. You can recap it, and it will boot right back up and work like it has been.
Oh dick, I have a Pioneer VSX-451 of the same vintage! Hopefully not to big of an issue with that 452. Could very well be as simple as an impedance mismatch.
Mine sounds great, with the big Fisher speakers, mounted above my desk.
As for the tv, that sounds like crapacitors are going bad. Probably run just fine, as is, since it eventually clears up.
I still need to look it up and see what impedance it wants, and what it's connected to.
I thought so, they are old, as that TV is from the 80s. It RAN fine, until it didn't. Coming up!
ill take a 30 year old product that i can fix when broken, over a 5 year old product that gets chucked in the garbage because it's designed as unrepairable.
Yes, that's very true, things are designed to be disposable now.
That can't possibly be the original mid. It looks very out of place. That shape looks like it should be mounted deep inside a plastic ghetto blaster or all-in-1 bookshelf unit. Are you sure the tweeters are good? Mids usually sound like trash anyway, I prefer them cut off.
I thought the same, but I certainly have never changed them nor have I known that they ever had been changed. As ancient as I am, these speakers are more ancient. My uncle bought them new in the 70s, if the midrange popped it was likely early on.
The tweeters are still firing, but I don't think their response is very good. I'll replace them when I refurbish this. I don't like a lot of mid either, but I do find it helps round out the sound.
@@jaykay18
The mid looks period correct though so it would be an early replacement, or maybe the manufacturer changed suppliers and/or just didn't bother cutting out the pin-cushion shape which is hard to machine. Most speakers back then weren't meant to be used and seen without the grill anyways, which was only removable for servicing.
I wouldn't change those tweeters personally. They aren't that bad really and a new tweeter won't fit the crossover correctly and might even blow. Maybe you can source the original parts somewhere. Fisher speakers were pretty good (before the Sanyo takeover, mostly) and the engineers knew what they were doing when they put them together.
@@westelaudio943 Yes, if it were replaced, it was likely early on in the speaker's life.
I'll price out the tweeters and see what they cost. I've heard from both side of the fence about Fisher stuff, even the early ones, some say it's great, some say it's junk.
Answer:
Because you may possibly abuse it and may possibly live in a recycling centre.
Absolutely incorrect. I take the UTMOST care of my stuff. I'm a service technician by trade, so I get to see what OTHER people do to abuse their stuff, and I'm the one who has to fix it. There are also no recycling centers near here.
im a big vintage guy, most of my stereo gear is well over 40 years old but at some point they degrade to that point where its time to upgrade. those speakers you showed were cheap poor quality when they were new, im not ragging on you but tech has come a long way and you can get new stuff that is much smaller and sounds way better then those speakers did when they were new. the amp is just dying, time to upgrade to at least 5.1 stereo. just to be clear i have a pair of clipsh speakers that were made in the late 50's and a pair of yamaha ms 150's i bought 44 years ago, both those items were super high quality top of the line gear and thats why they still sound good.....
I know those speakers weren't great even when new. But I like the look and the cabinets. This is the second stereo setup, in the basement,
In the living room I have an even larger TV of course, and some Klipsch floorstanders I bought over 25 years ago that still sound as good as day 1. Those are driven by a Sansui early 80s receiver. I have no need for 5.1 or Atmos or anything beyond all that.