Lmaoo @ Stephanie Meyer saying “I don’t read romance, it’s too smutty” like girlie didn’t you write about Bella crying out for dick for 3 books straight?????
So true and once she finally got it she became pregnant practically immediately. I remember she wanted to keep Renesmee regardless that she would be doomed unless she became a vampire immediately after the baby was born. Then she would have to endure 3 days of agony before she would be a vampire. That always made me think of opiate withdrawal. If taking really good opiates it takes a bit longer but the first 3 days are the worst.
IMAGINE victorian era twilight but if it was about early years of edward when he was feral and bella would be the person that actually turned him to being vegan IT COULD'VE BEEN A GOOD BOOK 😭😭😭 Edit: noticed here I've called Bella "the thing" which is eeh also remembered how it called for vampires not eating humans
her next twilight book should be twilight but if it was in the victoria era im dead serious. i feel like her writing would make so much more sense in that time
My favorite part of Midnight Sun was that he kept referring to his inner monster… sorta like how Anastasia from 50 Shades has an inner goddess. So… Stephanie Meyer ripped off the person who ripped her off, which is a pettiness I support
And arguably better. Edwards whole bullshit was moping about being eternally damned and still resisting the urge to rampage. What was Anastasia’s inner goddess? Her 🐱? Like girl just say you’re horny.
You absolutely cannot separate Twilight’s inherent weirdness from Meyer’s whack ass Mormonism. Which makes her books so much fun to analyze through that context.
That's actually a lie I wish people would stop perpetuating. Stephenie Meyer has gone on record to say that is a false equivalent and nowhere in her books is the writing or characters influenced by Mormonism. If anything the vampires themselves can be read as Catholic as that's where their modalities align
Stephanie Meyer being Mormon is why I read the books as a 10 year old because another girl in my church told me I had to read it because the author is one of us. I read it without knowing what it was about back in 2006 and omg I ate that up in 3 days and I was hooked
Hahaha 😂 nooo I didn't know that?! El James really was coming for Stephanie for no reason. "I'm gonna steal your story and I'm gonna steal your mans name too! B*tch!" Hahaha the insinuations about Stephanie are endless already. El just made it ten times worse.
it elevates it even more when you realize that Meyer wrote Twilight after having a vampire wet dream...so Fifty Shades/Masters can basically be read as Real Person Fanfiction with the book characters replacing Meyer and her husband
@@phantasmagorics And a bear/human/wolf was eating all his buddies which was basically nothing compared to the nightmare of having Bella as a daughter.
Girl honestly its insane that all of the stuff that you upload literally align with my interest (or we all were just collectively too active on tumblr back then)
The only thing about the “Twilight” series that REALLY grinds my gears is Jacob Black’s character. He was genuinely a good guy that turned really creepy. And then having him imprint on their daughter?! Come on now! Without the Cullens I think Bella would’ve had a happy life with Jacob and it’s sad. 😂😭
I’ve always thought she was really surprised by how popular Jacob was, because in her mind Edward was the obvious choice. So she had to massacre Jacob’s character to make those who rooted for him reconsider their opinions.
@@TheRonnieajshe was! Jacob was supposed to be the guy Bella goes to for basically plot information or lore information. She named Jacob after her actual brother in real life, so she NEVER foresaw his popularity or even a romance for him.
midnight sun is amazing because even edward is weirded out by his own actions, calls himself an obsessed vampire stalker and judges his own thoughts for freaking out over the possibility of a tsunami ripping through forks and killing bella
I do remember that when reading it online a billion years ago. Him working out having to kill the entire town of Forks basically while sitting there next to bella
I remember reading that leaked messy PDF and it was basically half the book. I was ok that Meyer said “you’re never getting the rest!” because it went all the way to the meadow scene and that’s all I really needed
I used to live near a paper mill and the paper mill was really struggling financially and was about to close down UNTIL 50 shades of grey came out. the paper mill was tasked with making paper for those books and the books were so popular the paper mill was saved! she is still thriving to this day
i can’t believe you didn’t mention that because gerard way had ptsd from 9/11 he created my chemical romance, who stephanie said she often listened to while writing the book and was inspired by … so 9/11 basically caused fifty shades
And fofty shades of grey is what launched Dakota Johnson’s career. And because of that, Dakota got invited onto Ellen all the time, and their was actually DAKOTA JOHNSON who CALLED OUT ELLEN for being a mean liar/bully… spiralling into Ellen’s downfall and show cancellation. 9/11 caused Ellen’s downfall.
There is an element of Stephanie Meyer and her writing that is interesting and strange because she is Mormon. There is so much to unpack there - sincerely an ex-Mormon 😂
Carley, Midnight Sun is a crack fic. You have to give it a whirl at least once. Highlights below: "One tear still glistened in the corner of her left eye, shining in the brightness of the room. A tiny, clear piece of her, an ephemeral diamond. Acting on some strange instinct, I reached out to catch it with my fingertip. Round on my skin, it sparkled as my hand moved. I swiftly touched my finger to my tongue, tasting her tear, absorbing this minute particle of her. She stared at me curiously, but I had no sane way to explain." "Like a stalker. An obsessed stalker. An obsessed vampire stalker." The most wild part of it is that the cultural zeitgeist has changed so much since she wrote Twilight. She had every opportunity to reframe what happened in the original books to meet the criticisms people have had for YEARS about the books and Edward as a romantic lead. Instead, she doubled down and made Edward EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC. Truly, a feat.
I remember during a worship weekend thing for teens that my church did, we had a “workshop” on how to dress appropriately. 2 things I’ll never forget. 1.) they actually showed us some cool ways of tying our scarves. 2.) they told us not to wear skinny jeans that were too tight, as we *all* sat there, the year 2013, in our tight skinny jeans. I remember thinking “what else is there to wear?”😂
My other favorite part of Midnight Sun was that while she was half dead in the hospital he's already planning to leave her for dead in the woods in a few months. He had a LOT of time to think about his breakup plan, and that was still the one he went for, and I absolutely love that. Why would I stick around and make the person I supposedly love into a vampire and be with them forever when I could leave them, established to be clumsy and not a woodsy person who was likely to know their way around in there, to die in the woods? And then put them in a position where they're forced to save MY life a book later because I couldn't take two seconds to make sure it was their funeral? Idk the logic just logics doesn't it
i think the only thing to be said in Edwards defense (and I'm a big Edward hater lol) is that he only took her like 100 ft away from her own house, so like literally just around the corner, but instead of simply going home, Bella decided to "follow" Edward into the forrest. But him planning to leave her was so fucking insane on god
@@rica3947 I realize that but this is Bella, who even he says is a magnet not just for danger but also for trouble. And she can't go on a short beach hike without getting her hands all scraped up. Can barely walk across flat ground apparently. So like....why do it in the forest at all?
The plot holes my friend. The fact she wrote the books so fast is insane too. I believe Twillight was only this huge hit because Stephanie had an Idea at the Right time. Because I know a way better book who was also a best-seller AND have a way better written story which was inspired by Twillight by the way, that never got any movies, and people don't even think or talk about them, which are the Tiger's Curse Saga. The books are good, well written for the public it was aimed and the fact that THAT series was born of the lack of Twillight is just a gem on itself. Such a shame when Tiger's Curse was released, there was way too many books following the footsepts of Twillight, and only an Erotica Fanfic would be able to achieve the same level of success afterwards. Again, E. L. James had the right idea at the right time. She may be a copycat, but the girl knows how to take an opportunity and USE IT. xD
I stopped finding the age gap creepy because reading Midnight Sun makes it really clear that Edward truly is 17 and has been seventeen for a while. As in, he has the brain of a teenager, his frontal lobe is not fully developed. He will never grow up and I guess neither will Bella
Watching this reminded me of when midnight sun came out and I was too embarrassed to buy a copy so I listened to an illegal audio book on a website that gave my phone a virus
My mom had LITERALLY found that leaked manuscript, printed it out for both of us and lemme tell you, we were fed. Thanks mom for supporting my twilight obsession since the beginning
The funny thing Is I am from czech republic, there is only 10 mil people speaking czech language. And the leak still got translated. I didn't grasp then how absurd the drama was but once i started understand english it hit me like a speeding train. I even remember talking about it with my Elementary school teacher. She understood english so she read the og leak few weeks earlier than me. I still laugh at the thought of some 20ish obsessed girl translating the leak in just a few weeks😂 Anyways thanks for uploading this masterpiece. You're one of the best people on TH-cam, i love your humor!
I remember reading the leaked chapters way back when and thinking "huh, probs for the best you didn't put this one out Stephanie". Well wasn't I boo boo the fool......
Dude you’ve truly been a gamechanger since I found your channel a few months ago. I’ve been having an absolute trench of a depressive episode and I’d just like to thank you for being out there. I really don’t know how to word it lol.. I genuinely believe that you getting me invested in some pointless bullshit that I probably wouldn’t care about on my own time for ≈20-40 minutes at a time has made a difference in me still being here. Thank you Carley. All my love from Finland🇫🇮❤️
im so glad! hang in there my mental state has been awful all year and i just got on new medication and im finally coming out of it... you've got this!!
i read life and death recently, and i pictured it as edward is a human and bella is a vampire just for my visual imagination, but it’s literally gender bent like bella is beau and edward is edythe. I think it would’ve been more interesting to swap who does what instead of literally just swapping the genders, because like tell me twilight wouldn’t be better with kristen stewart as edward like they would’ve played the heck out of that. And rpat as bella, he can se do fragile human. Oh well
Wait so like the power dynamic is the same with bella falling hopelessly in love but only as a vampire? Such a pity i was so excited there for a moment imaginging edward as a little scampering human man. But i guess this doesnt fit with her mormonism being inherently patriarchial or whatever
@@DravenFromDelaware yeah like it's exactly the same as twilight except the pronouns are changed. and the ending is different. I'll give her that, edythe (edward) is a bit chiller than edward, like she's more touchy with beau, and she can be funnier, but like, no change whatsoever
If I’m being honest I always imagined Edyth as Rosalie and Beau as Emmet but Rose is acting like Edward and Emmet acting like Bella. It’s what made the most sense in my head at the time because I just Robert Pattison acting like he he doesn’t know he looks like how he looks
I can’t believe you forgot to mention the 9/11 to fifty shades pipeline 😂 9/11 inspired Gerard way to start my chemical romance. Stephanie Meyer has said she was partially inspired by mcr to write twilight. Fifty shades is twilight fanfiction. It’s crazy
One of my favorite fun fact’s is MRC was asked to make a song for one of the movies and they said no lmao and they made Vampire Money instead as a response
This vid was healing to all the fucked up toxic romance and mysogyny I absorbed from these books. Side note my brain exploded earlier this year when I found out SM was mormon and realized the whole series' concept is a pretty neat metaphor for virginity in a culture where a girl's virginity is equated to her entire value, purpose, being: essentially her life. Annnnnnyway
re: twilight girls being "stupid" the valedictorian of my high school class literally made one of the first twilight fan websites and went to the movie premieres and stuff so for me the thought of someone being stupid for liking twilight was preposterous because obviously being the valedictorian she was smarter than me...
My professor from film class referred to the Twilight movies as things you shouldn't do if you become a filmmaker and it was literally my favourite class watching my professor struggle to not diss Twilight because he knew how all the girlies in class related to it so much in their teen years and he didn't want to hurt our feelings 😂
Meanwhile I had a professor in my one lit class where we were reading Dracula who took every opportunity to rip on Twilight. He literally did not care. Lol
@@SocialExperiment232Not every old peice of writing is a good one lol. Even comparably. As a side note(not saying that you’re saying this), I'm absolutely tired of this mind set that the "classics" are untouchable and above reproach and everything modern and fun needs to be burned at the stake. So exhausting, uncritical, unhelpful, and boring.
@@oo4758 Conversations would work so much better on the internet if people asked someone what they think of something instead of speculating and accusing. Anyway in case you were curious. No I don’t believe all the classics are amazing pieces of literature and should be forced on people over and over. But the two books he compared are nowhere near an example of classics being bad versus new books being good. There are good pieces of literature created in modern times… twilight is not one of them. That book did nothing but further establish deluded ideas of romance and poor survival skills in teenage brains. My sentence, as it implied, was referring to those books that he compared. The only thing that made that book popular was teenage hormones and the lack of better judgment of the people reading it.
my only claim to fame is that my friend goes to church with stephanie meyer and though I am an ex-mormon who hasn't gone to church in 3 years, you best believe I took that opportunity to go and meet her
I VIVIDLY remember my college aged babysitter at the time (I was like 8) RUNNING into my house after picking me up from school in order to get to the family computer to read the leaked midnight sun chapters. Like she spent hours reading on the desktop at my house. I had no idea what she was reading until years later 😅
deeply love the energy in this video. have to comment and say "flip the table moment" is not a weird phrasing of the "how the tables have turned" thing... she's saying she's so mad, she would literally upend a table. like where you stand up and push the table over bc you're pissed - it's a cliche
I was a HARDCOREEEEEE twihard as a tween. I remember reading the midnight Sun leak so many times, especially once Stephenie Meyer finally published it on her blog and said she’d never ever ever ever finish it because her trust was betrayed. I’m so glad she needed a paycheck and finished it because I loved Midnight Sun and it resparked my twilight obsession as an adult lol. I honestly feel like Midnight Sun did a great job at modernizing some of the issues of Twilight and making them more… not feminist cause she’s definitely still Mormon, but less toxic. Or at least more understandable, lol. Like Edwards actions are weird af in Twilight and their romance is a whirlwind, but MS does a better job at slowing the romance down to a more palatable pace and making his seemingly toxic misogynistic behaviors make more sense.
Knowing how ingrained I was into the Twilight books and films then crossed over into the Fifty Shades of Grey films but being completely unaware of this deep seeded underbelly of drama 😭 I need to aim to be this unaware of drama in pop culture for the foreseeable future
This reminded me of being deep into the twilight fandom in middle school and scrolling through a twilight news blog and seeing a fan made craft which was Bella’s womb and fetus made of felt and it haunts me to this day
I was in deep for Twilight in '07-08, I checked Stephenie Meyer's website all the time for news about casting for the movie and she had like reference photos for all the Cullens' cars and stuff on there, it was superb. I read the leaked chapters of Midnight Sun at the time and even changed my email profile pic to a fanmade cover of the book, and _to this day_ it shows as my profile pic (on my end only somehow, thank god) when I send emails even though in my google account I have no photo set and have no idea how it's still linked. An unsolved mystery reminding me of my middle school Twilight obsession for eternity, apparently
Not me reading fifty shades when it was still a fic, I did it cause every one was talking about it and I was curious, it was very boring. Maybe it took so long to finish midnight sun exactly because Edward has those insane thoughts about insects and Stephanie needed to find all that fun facts. Twilight never gonna stop being iconic
carley consistently serving the content i never knew i needed. currently trying to break my friend into agreeing to a twilight movie marathon (they have never experienced the beauty of the saga). so far i have negotiated doing it over two days and a sleepover so we can watch breaking dawn first thing after we wake up.
Stephanie Meyer is WAY better a person than I am cuz I would have gone after Ms James with all the fire I had in me ESPECIALLY since she stole her characters and put them in a genre she was against wholeheartedly. I personally LOVE fan fiction (and look forward to folk doing fan fiction on my stuff) BUT ACTUALLY PUBLISHING it for profit? No *&^%$#@! No. James would go down... and NOT in the way she TRIES to write about!
for chemistry, i had to write/draw a fun fact. i DREW edward cullen fully as a joke and my chem teacher gave me the STINKIEST side eye. he just doesn’t get it 😭
I was so young when this happened but I was part of the problem...I downloaded and read that shit SO MANY TIMES. I was heartbroken when she said she wasn't going to finish it and literally judged that woman SO HARD.
your explanation of your internalized misogyny when young was SPOT ON omg thank you for putting that shared experience into words and helping me laugh at it 😅
They did actually cast a real baby and several real kids and an older actress to play the different versions of Renesmee during the film, they just CGI’d Mackenzie Foy’s face over all of them until the point where it was supposed to be Mackenzie playing child Renesmee. Still rightfully unsettling, of course.
I finished reading Midnight Sun the other day 😂 in her ending notes she mentions how many times she almost quit and i was thinking "huh i wonder what happened there" 😂😂😂😂
@@imlg228 I have no idea about either of them but it wouldn’t surprise me since Meyer was such a fan girl lol. But she talked about how their music inspired her meadow scene and wanted their music in twilight and they refused 💀
In high school during peak Twilight mania, I was too cheap to buy the New Moon book, so my friend sent me the book on Microsoft word format. And I read the entire book.. in Word
Honestly, I read Midnight Sun and enjoyed it. The Remember Twilight podcast is great when it comes to criticising the books and giving credit where credit is due. And to be fair, I read everything in my late 20s. I read it for entertainment not to dissect the book nor to take dating advice (as some seem to do... 😔).
Honestly, I would love a series of just Carley explaining everyday modern things to a Victorian child. Imagine trying to explain fanfic, Wattpad, 1D, and After.
twilight will always, year after year, circle back into relevancy in some way shape or form and I couldn't be happier. I love my silly goofy vampire fantasy
I truly believe that the Twilight books could've been way better if she had just taken the time to write them. Also, in like 3rd or 4th grade i started reading the twilight series abd my bus driver noticed this and decided that she should show me her werewolf romance novels. Such a powerful series
They would be better,maybe with fewer plot holes but frankly, knowing her ideals and how she doubled down on them in Midnight Sun? I doubt it. She had TEN YEARS to write that book, and to try and show a more humanized Edward, instead she doubled down on everything everyone were criticyzing him on, and well, his monologues are Wild.
I’ve been through a journey with this series. I was completely obsessed when it came out. Then I think the misogyny got to my head and I was hate-obsessed, now I love it again for the camp that it is. The only thing I really cannot forgive is Stephenie using an actual tribe of people, bastardized their origin stories to hell, profited off it, and never thanked them, gave back to their community or encourage her fans to, or even bother apologizing. She used them as a prop in her storyline without a second thought or any remorse. The Quileute Tribe still lives out there and have been fighting to move to higher grounds because they are currently at risk from tsunamis. They’ve been working on this before Twilight became a hit and people can donate to the cause on their website.
Some buzzfeed type social media company once asked on Facebook who everyone’s least favourite actor was. I scrolled the comments and quite literally 1 in 3 said Jane Fonda and I was so confused so I googled it. It was literally the most boomer energy I have ever encountered, and reminded me why I only interact with my craft groups on fb😳
Carley, I LOVE your deep dives and your unhinged summaries, analyses, highlights etc so much, they give me life, they keep me entertained, i watch the whole thing,I don’t have to set the playback speed to 1.5x, I even enjoy your videos on topics I know nothing about. Thank you, sincerely.
There's a Tumblr blog that impersonates Stephenie Meyer, and the link in her bio to "her website" is actually a link to the Quileute Nation's fundraising website for their Move To Higher Ground project so their schools and stuff don't get flooded by rising sea levels or tsunamis.
I remember reading the leaked Midnight Sun chapters secretly, because there was this thing where everyone thought it wouldn't be published if the leak got too big so loads of people abstained to make Stephanie happy lol
Just to be on the same page. Anastasia was not Greys intern . He gave her the opportunity, just so ha can be close to her, but she didn‘t took it. Ive read both series and listend to the audiobooks multiple times, so i just wanted to make this clear 😂😂
never having known the discourse with e l james and stephanie meyer and having it explained to me by you is honestly the best way i couldve spent my sunday night. thanks girl
Your video is so timely as today I started getting out my fall decor weeks in advance (it’s 90 degrees out and I am delulu) and was just about to start my yearly Twilight binge as we entered the spooky season. Thank you for bringing us the knowledge and content we crave
My favorite (and least favorite) part of MS is when Edward is watching Bella sleep. She's like tossing and turning as you sometimes do, and he calls it her, "nightly gyrations." Like good god...wtf.
As someone who has many many times wanted to flip a table, I knew exactly what she meant when she said it was a flip of the table moment. She did not mean the tables had turn. Girl was mad. She wanted to flip a damn table!
Damn, this is the first time I've really thought about the timeline these books were released. That explains so much. I wonder if part of the the series popularity was thanks to the intense deadline? I would imagine the quick turn around allowed the material to be top of mind before the next book is on the shelf.
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niche twilight drama stimulates something in my brain that can only be explained by neuroscientists of the highest caliber
you should be studied tbh
My two favourite scholars ❤
@@ella-louise9537 omg hi legend
We must have the same neuro issue
I can relate to your comment As well. You are NOT alone 😩😂🙏🏼♥️
Lmaoo @ Stephanie Meyer saying “I don’t read romance, it’s too smutty” like girlie didn’t you write about Bella crying out for dick for 3 books straight?????
post dick depression yes
THIS 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m crying 😂😂😂
the self-awareness
So true and once she finally got it she became pregnant practically immediately. I remember she wanted to keep Renesmee regardless that she would be doomed unless she became a vampire immediately after the baby was born. Then she would have to endure 3 days of agony before she would be a vampire. That always made me think of opiate withdrawal. If taking really good opiates it takes a bit longer but the first 3 days are the worst.
If twilight had taken place in the Victorian era, this is the point where Edward would have told Bella to cover her fucking ankles
hahahaha
IMAGINE victorian era twilight but if it was about early years of edward when he was feral and bella would be the person that actually turned him to being vegan IT COULD'VE BEEN A GOOD BOOK 😭😭😭
Edit: noticed here I've called Bella "the thing" which is eeh also remembered how it called for vampires not eating humans
@@sava-smth omg that would have been amazing
I mean, for mormons, it's kinda still like that lol
her next twilight book should be twilight but if it was in the victoria era im dead serious. i feel like her writing would make so much more sense in that time
I can’t believe 14-year-old me risked going to hell to secretly read these books because my mom thought they were demonic 💀
you're braver than the marines
was she wrong? i love twilight but im not sure she was wrong
We lived the same life...now, we ride
SAME LMAO
she was right 😢
My favorite part of Midnight Sun was that he kept referring to his inner monster… sorta like how Anastasia from 50 Shades has an inner goddess. So… Stephanie Meyer ripped off the person who ripped her off, which is a pettiness I support
LMAO I love this
This is incredible
That's awesome actually XD
And arguably better. Edwards whole bullshit was moping about being eternally damned and still resisting the urge to rampage. What was Anastasia’s inner goddess? Her 🐱? Like girl just say you’re horny.
Also the nurse assuming renee is from gorgia bcoz mom in 50 shades is from gorgia
You absolutely cannot separate Twilight’s inherent weirdness from Meyer’s whack ass Mormonism. Which makes her books so much fun to analyze through that context.
oh this makes so much sense
@@uncarleygirly heard that sexual impurity was literally akin to murder and ran with it
That long khaki skirt really threw me though the loop when I did not know that she was a Mormon while reading the books 😂
absolutely. as a utahan who has been nonconsentially surrounded by mormons my entire life this is so on point
That's actually a lie I wish people would stop perpetuating. Stephenie Meyer has gone on record to say that is a false equivalent and nowhere in her books is the writing or characters influenced by Mormonism. If anything the vampires themselves can be read as Catholic as that's where their modalities align
the twilight cast looked camp right in the eye for sure and I love them for it
YES
Especially once you see them in normal color without the filter
exhibit a: Nikki reed as Rosalie.
Exhibit a1: Nikki read as Rosalie in the third one during her backstory flashback.
Stephanie Meyer being Mormon is why I read the books as a 10 year old because another girl in my church told me I had to read it because the author is one of us. I read it without knowing what it was about back in 2006 and omg I ate that up in 3 days and I was hooked
this makes so much sense
Ok ur bio is so sweet and made me smile
lol one of us. yep that sounds exactly mormon 😅
My (mormon) mom and sister were all about it for that reason.
The fact that Stephenie Meyer's husband is named Christian is also funny. E L James has no shame.
Omg?? It’s like she loved twilight so much she wanted the author to hate her just to get noticed
@@crystaldollhouse just like the after series author and Harry Styles
Hahaha 😂 nooo I didn't know that?! El James really was coming for Stephanie for no reason. "I'm gonna steal your story and I'm gonna steal your mans name too! B*tch!" Hahaha the insinuations about Stephanie are endless already. El just made it ten times worse.
it elevates it even more when you realize that Meyer wrote Twilight after having a vampire wet dream...so Fifty Shades/Masters can basically be read as Real Person Fanfiction with the book characters replacing Meyer and her husband
I need twilight from the perspective of Charlie Swan. Really curious about what he was thinking the whole time.
Honestly the most useless father you could imagine lol
Amanda Todhunter has a video that is exactly about this 🤣
No because the way he probably thinks they’re in a cult.
@@SocialExperiment232 Don't slander Charlie like that, he was doing his best, everyone around him was insane
@@phantasmagorics And a bear/human/wolf was eating all his buddies which was basically nothing compared to the nightmare of having Bella as a daughter.
Girl honestly its insane that all of the stuff that you upload literally align with my interest (or we all were just collectively too active on tumblr back then)
omg im so glad
The only thing about the “Twilight” series that REALLY grinds my gears is Jacob Black’s character. He was genuinely a good guy that turned really creepy. And then having him imprint on their daughter?! Come on now! Without the Cullens I think Bella would’ve had a happy life with Jacob and it’s sad. 😂😭
I think Bella and Jacob would stay close friends while Bella acknowledges and then embarks upon her innate queerness
You know what? I’ve actually thought that she would be queer once or twice without Edward. But with Stephanie being Mormon and all…idk. 😂
I’ve always thought she was really surprised by how popular Jacob was, because in her mind Edward was the obvious choice. So she had to massacre Jacob’s character to make those who rooted for him reconsider their opinions.
@@mads597 I genuinely thought that she and Rosaline had a hate-crush on each other
@@TheRonnieajshe was! Jacob was supposed to be the guy Bella goes to for basically plot information or lore information. She named Jacob after her actual brother in real life, so she NEVER foresaw his popularity or even a romance for him.
midnight sun is amazing because even edward is weirded out by his own actions, calls himself an obsessed vampire stalker and judges his own thoughts for freaking out over the possibility of a tsunami ripping through forks and killing bella
I do remember that when reading it online a billion years ago. Him working out having to kill the entire town of Forks basically while sitting there next to bella
Dont forget the meteor shower 😂
I remember reading that leaked messy PDF and it was basically half the book. I was ok that Meyer said “you’re never getting the rest!” because it went all the way to the meadow scene and that’s all I really needed
honestly all we need to know is that edward is thinking of bugs at the meadow what else do you need
For some reason the German publisher for the twilight books actually published that first half as a bound copy back then lol
I cannot believe how much I vibe with this comment LMAO I was exactly the same
Naw i really needed the fast and furious car chase through phoenix 😂
I used to live near a paper mill and the paper mill was really struggling financially and was about to close down UNTIL 50 shades of grey came out. the paper mill was tasked with making paper for those books and the books were so popular the paper mill was saved! she is still thriving to this day
That’s so heartwarming!
Oh my god I LIVE for little stories like this 😂 amazing
This actually makes me okay with 50 shades!❤
The only wholesome thing 50 Shades has done to society😂
i can’t believe you didn’t mention that because gerard way had ptsd from 9/11 he created my chemical romance, who stephanie said she often listened to while writing the book and was inspired by … so 9/11 basically caused fifty shades
Wasn’t it Muse? I remember that she talked about them, not MCR, but I could be wrong 🤔 or it could be both, maybe.
And fofty shades of grey is what launched Dakota Johnson’s career. And because of that, Dakota got invited onto Ellen all the time, and their was actually DAKOTA JOHNSON who CALLED OUT ELLEN for being a mean liar/bully… spiralling into Ellen’s downfall and show cancellation.
9/11 caused Ellen’s downfall.
she didn't mention this because it's a myth. muse was the biggest inspiration for twilight, not mcr
@@divlnnityx6539 yes this is true but it is also true mcr was not the only inspo. It was a lot.
BUT! It’s a fun theory.
Instead we got mcr’s song “vampire money” 👏
Carly continuing to put herself on the frontlines for our entertainment. I hope you get the support you need in these trying times
ruining my brain for your entertainment
There is an element of Stephanie Meyer and her writing that is interesting and strange because she is Mormon. There is so much to unpack there - sincerely an ex-Mormon 😂
ohhh that makes so much sense
For real, it’s so weirdly subtle but also somehow screaming in your face 🥴 xoxo, another ex Mormon.
@@wormgirl0690 right! Haha
@@wormgirl0690not unlike the sinister reality of the church ;)
lol yep...lots of sexual repression and bad fashion
Carley, Midnight Sun is a crack fic. You have to give it a whirl at least once. Highlights below:
"One tear still glistened in the corner of her left eye, shining in the brightness of the room. A tiny, clear piece of her, an ephemeral diamond. Acting on some strange instinct, I reached out to catch it with my fingertip. Round on my skin, it sparkled as my hand moved. I swiftly touched my finger to my tongue, tasting her tear, absorbing this minute particle of her.
She stared at me curiously, but I had no sane way to explain."
"Like a stalker. An obsessed stalker. An obsessed vampire stalker."
The most wild part of it is that the cultural zeitgeist has changed so much since she wrote Twilight. She had every opportunity to reframe what happened in the original books to meet the criticisms people have had for YEARS about the books and Edward as a romantic lead. Instead, she doubled down and made Edward EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC. Truly, a feat.
YES girly double down on the problematical elements learn NOTHING
I loved Edward in midnight sun bc he was so fucking unhinged at ALL TIMES😭
i honestly love that she didn't try to reframe it so make it less problematic, that would have felt like a weak attempt to gaslight her audience lmao
@@rica3947 like we REMEMBER how he acted in twilight there's no dressing it up😭😭
@@thatb1h855ME TOO 😂 it was hysterical and weirdly made me like him a lot more
“how to wear jeans in a god-honoring way” is so peak girldefined/twilight i actually screamed
I remember during a worship weekend thing for teens that my church did, we had a “workshop” on how to dress appropriately. 2 things I’ll never forget. 1.) they actually showed us some cool ways of tying our scarves. 2.) they told us not to wear skinny jeans that were too tight, as we *all* sat there, the year 2013, in our tight skinny jeans. I remember thinking “what else is there to wear?”😂
My other favorite part of Midnight Sun was that while she was half dead in the hospital he's already planning to leave her for dead in the woods in a few months. He had a LOT of time to think about his breakup plan, and that was still the one he went for, and I absolutely love that. Why would I stick around and make the person I supposedly love into a vampire and be with them forever when I could leave them, established to be clumsy and not a woodsy person who was likely to know their way around in there, to die in the woods? And then put them in a position where they're forced to save MY life a book later because I couldn't take two seconds to make sure it was their funeral? Idk the logic just logics doesn't it
i think the only thing to be said in Edwards defense (and I'm a big Edward hater lol) is that he only took her like 100 ft away from her own house, so like literally just around the corner, but instead of simply going home, Bella decided to "follow" Edward into the forrest. But him planning to leave her was so fucking insane on god
@@rica3947 I realize that but this is Bella, who even he says is a magnet not just for danger but also for trouble. And she can't go on a short beach hike without getting her hands all scraped up. Can barely walk across flat ground apparently. So like....why do it in the forest at all?
The plot holes my friend. The fact she wrote the books so fast is insane too.
I believe Twillight was only this huge hit because Stephanie had an Idea at the Right time. Because I know a way better book who was also a best-seller AND have a way better written story which was inspired by Twillight by the way, that never got any movies, and people don't even think or talk about them, which are the Tiger's Curse Saga.
The books are good, well written for the public it was aimed and the fact that THAT series was born of the lack of Twillight is just a gem on itself.
Such a shame when Tiger's Curse was released, there was way too many books following the footsepts of Twillight, and only an Erotica Fanfic would be able to achieve the same level of success afterwards.
Again, E. L. James had the right idea at the right time. She may be a copycat, but the girl knows how to take an opportunity and USE IT. xD
I stopped finding the age gap creepy because reading Midnight Sun makes it really clear that Edward truly is 17 and has been seventeen for a while. As in, he has the brain of a teenager, his frontal lobe is not fully developed. He will never grow up and I guess neither will Bella
Watching this reminded me of when midnight sun came out and I was too embarrassed to buy a copy so I listened to an illegal audio book on a website that gave my phone a virus
I AM DECEASED
LOL damn 🤣
My mom had LITERALLY found that leaked manuscript, printed it out for both of us and lemme tell you, we were fed. Thanks mom for supporting my twilight obsession since the beginning
The funny thing Is I am from czech republic, there is only 10 mil people speaking czech language. And the leak still got translated. I didn't grasp then how absurd the drama was but once i started understand english it hit me like a speeding train. I even remember talking about it with my Elementary school teacher. She understood english so she read the og leak few weeks earlier than me.
I still laugh at the thought of some 20ish obsessed girl translating the leak in just a few weeks😂
Anyways thanks for uploading this masterpiece. You're one of the best people on TH-cam, i love your humor!
She was probably working as fast as Stephanie did with her 4 og books
My favorite thing about Twilight will always be Robert Pattinson saying that he thinks Edward is a psychopath and that he played him as such
and he was right!
i forgot how earth shattering bella’s floor length khaki skirt is
literally dragging on the ground
As someone who had to wear khaki skirts because thats what my mom bought for me, that whole thing had me dying 😂
I remember reading the leaked chapters way back when and thinking "huh, probs for the best you didn't put this one out Stephanie".
Well wasn't I boo boo the fool......
hahahah
Same! …and then I read the official published novel of Midnight Sun at the beginning of this year 🫣😂🤣 Edward’s internal monologue is WILD
Dude you’ve truly been a gamechanger since I found your channel a few months ago. I’ve been having an absolute trench of a depressive episode and I’d just like to thank you for being out there. I really don’t know how to word it lol.. I genuinely believe that you getting me invested in some pointless bullshit that I probably wouldn’t care about on my own time for ≈20-40 minutes at a time has made a difference in me still being here. Thank you Carley. All my love from Finland🇫🇮❤️
im so glad! hang in there my mental state has been awful all year and i just got on new medication and im finally coming out of it... you've got this!!
i read life and death recently, and i pictured it as edward is a human and bella is a vampire just for my visual imagination, but it’s literally gender bent like bella is beau and edward is edythe. I think it would’ve been more interesting to swap who does what instead of literally just swapping the genders, because like tell me twilight wouldn’t be better with kristen stewart as edward like they would’ve played the heck out of that. And rpat as bella, he can se do fragile human. Oh well
yes! so much more interesting!
maybe we can get e l james to write this for us lolll
Wait so like the power dynamic is the same with bella falling hopelessly in love but only as a vampire? Such a pity i was so excited there for a moment imaginging edward as a little scampering human man. But i guess this doesnt fit with her mormonism being inherently patriarchial or whatever
@@DravenFromDelaware yeah like it's exactly the same as twilight except the pronouns are changed. and the ending is different. I'll give her that, edythe (edward) is a bit chiller than edward, like she's more touchy with beau, and she can be funnier, but like, no change whatsoever
If I’m being honest I always imagined Edyth as Rosalie and Beau as Emmet but Rose is acting like Edward and Emmet acting like Bella. It’s what made the most sense in my head at the time because I just Robert Pattison acting like he he doesn’t know he looks like how he looks
I can’t believe you forgot to mention the 9/11 to fifty shades pipeline 😂
9/11 inspired Gerard way to start my chemical romance. Stephanie Meyer has said she was partially inspired by mcr to write twilight. Fifty shades is twilight fanfiction. It’s crazy
One of my favorite fun fact’s is MRC was asked to make a song for one of the movies and they said no lmao and they made Vampire Money instead as a response
This vid was healing to all the fucked up toxic romance and mysogyny I absorbed from these books. Side note my brain exploded earlier this year when I found out SM was mormon and realized the whole series' concept is a pretty neat metaphor for virginity in a culture where a girl's virginity is equated to her entire value, purpose, being: essentially her life. Annnnnnyway
re: twilight girls being "stupid"
the valedictorian of my high school class literally made one of the first twilight fan websites and went to the movie premieres and stuff so for me the thought of someone being stupid for liking twilight was preposterous because obviously being the valedictorian she was smarter than me...
My professor from film class referred to the Twilight movies as things you shouldn't do if you become a filmmaker and it was literally my favourite class watching my professor struggle to not diss Twilight because he knew how all the girlies in class related to it so much in their teen years and he didn't want to hurt our feelings 😂
Meanwhile I had a professor in my one lit class where we were reading Dracula who took every opportunity to rip on Twilight. He literally did not care. Lol
@@laura_barton honestly twilight is better than dracula (source: me, an english prof who's read both)
@@cjsheuthis comment makes me fear for the education kids are getting in college. I feel bad for your students.
@@SocialExperiment232Not every old peice of writing is a good one lol. Even comparably.
As a side note(not saying that you’re saying this), I'm absolutely tired of this mind set that the "classics" are untouchable and above reproach and everything modern and fun needs to be burned at the stake. So exhausting, uncritical, unhelpful, and boring.
@@oo4758 Conversations would work so much better on the internet if people asked someone what they think of something instead of speculating and accusing. Anyway in case you were curious. No I don’t believe all the classics are amazing pieces of literature and should be forced on people over and over. But the two books he compared are nowhere near an example of classics being bad versus new books being good. There are good pieces of literature created in modern times… twilight is not one of them. That book did nothing but further establish deluded ideas of romance and poor survival skills in teenage brains. My sentence, as it implied, was referring to those books that he compared. The only thing that made that book popular was teenage hormones and the lack of better judgment of the people reading it.
I had a dream yesterday about donating my Twilight saga books, this is the sign I needed. Thank you Carly
happy to help!
Meanwhile I watched the video thinking 'damn I donated those, this is the perfect time for a chaotic revisit'
Why would you ever?! I wanna reread lmao 😂
I’m keeping my books and dvds forever, it’s just too much fun to revisit them sometimes 😂
I was raised Mormon, and the weird parallels that Stephanie Meyer wrote with her religion are so funny I wanna write an essay about it
Omg now I want somebody to write that soo bad
I would read it!
my only claim to fame is that my friend goes to church with stephanie meyer and though I am an ex-mormon who hasn't gone to church in 3 years, you best believe I took that opportunity to go and meet her
interesting. how strange it would be to meet my favourite author at church lol
I VIVIDLY remember my college aged babysitter at the time (I was like 8) RUNNING into my house after picking me up from school in order to get to the family computer to read the leaked midnight sun chapters. Like she spent hours reading on the desktop at my house. I had no idea what she was reading until years later 😅
It made me mad that the gender bended Twilight book was actually kind of good. Like why does male Bella suddenly have sense and dimension???
I can't wait for your videos reviewing the Twilight books once your start reading them (I'm manifesting)
i think i might actually die
@@uncarleyplease do this for me I need a win in my life rn
To be a fly on the wall when S.M. found out about the 50 shades books. I'm sure she almost had a aneurysm. 😂😅
it would be an absolute crime not to make a "i read midnight sun so you don't have to" video carley. i need this. we need this
your videos truly never disappoint.
thank you bestie
deeply love the energy in this video. have to comment and say "flip the table moment" is not a weird phrasing of the "how the tables have turned" thing... she's saying she's so mad, she would literally upend a table. like where you stand up and push the table over bc you're pissed - it's a cliche
I was a HARDCOREEEEEE twihard as a tween. I remember reading the midnight Sun leak so many times, especially once Stephenie Meyer finally published it on her blog and said she’d never ever ever ever finish it because her trust was betrayed. I’m so glad she needed a paycheck and finished it because I loved Midnight Sun and it resparked my twilight obsession as an adult lol. I honestly feel like Midnight Sun did a great job at modernizing some of the issues of Twilight and making them more… not feminist cause she’s definitely still Mormon, but less toxic. Or at least more understandable, lol. Like Edwards actions are weird af in Twilight and their romance is a whirlwind, but MS does a better job at slowing the romance down to a more palatable pace and making his seemingly toxic misogynistic behaviors make more sense.
What a glorious Sunday to serve Queen Carley by giving her what's left in my brain in the form of attention and a like 🛐
church is in session
I've literally binged all your videos recently I'm so excited
!! thank you so much
Knowing how ingrained I was into the Twilight books and films then crossed over into the Fifty Shades of Grey films but being completely unaware of this deep seeded underbelly of drama 😭 I need to aim to be this unaware of drama in pop culture for the foreseeable future
This reminded me of being deep into the twilight fandom in middle school and scrolling through a twilight news blog and seeing a fan made craft which was Bella’s womb and fetus made of felt and it haunts me to this day
I was in deep for Twilight in '07-08, I checked Stephenie Meyer's website all the time for news about casting for the movie and she had like reference photos for all the Cullens' cars and stuff on there, it was superb. I read the leaked chapters of Midnight Sun at the time and even changed my email profile pic to a fanmade cover of the book, and _to this day_ it shows as my profile pic (on my end only somehow, thank god) when I send emails even though in my google account I have no photo set and have no idea how it's still linked. An unsolved mystery reminding me of my middle school Twilight obsession for eternity, apparently
you are my niche interest twin thank u for existing
happy to help
Not me reading fifty shades when it was still a fic, I did it cause every one was talking about it and I was curious, it was very boring. Maybe it took so long to finish midnight sun exactly because Edward has those insane thoughts about insects and Stephanie needed to find all that fun facts. Twilight never gonna stop being iconic
“The body keeps the score” I literally screamed
I love this - the jokes hit, the commentary hits, the details hit - thank u girlie pop u made my day
"fifty shades of grey was a smash, smash, hit."
yes, i think that summarizes the plot pretty well. 😅
LMAOO
carley consistently serving the content i never knew i needed. currently trying to break my friend into agreeing to a twilight movie marathon (they have never experienced the beauty of the saga). so far i have negotiated doing it over two days and a sleepover so we can watch breaking dawn first thing after we wake up.
Stephanie Meyer is WAY better a person than I am cuz I would have gone after Ms James with all the fire I had in me ESPECIALLY since she stole her characters and put them in a genre she was against wholeheartedly. I personally LOVE fan fiction (and look forward to folk doing fan fiction on my stuff) BUT ACTUALLY PUBLISHING it for profit? No *&^%$#@! No. James would go down... and NOT in the way she TRIES to write about!
for chemistry, i had to write/draw a fun fact. i DREW edward cullen fully as a joke and my chem teacher gave me the STINKIEST side eye. he just doesn’t get it 😭
hahahahaha
@@ndnxneh cus i thought it would be silly to draw him
Never got into Twilight, but being served some niche Twilight drama on a warm afternoon is something I can't turn down lol
I was so young when this happened but I was part of the problem...I downloaded and read that shit SO MANY TIMES.
I was heartbroken when she said she wasn't going to finish it and literally judged that woman SO HARD.
your explanation of your internalized misogyny when young was SPOT ON omg thank you for putting that shared experience into words and helping me laugh at it 😅
I am so obsessed with this channel, you literally talk about every niche interest and reference I find funny and make it 10x funnier hahahaha
twilight is literally just love, blood, vibes and glitter and it’s perfect
The way this intro put comedy on the “not like other girls” brainwashing that got some of us in the 00s/2010s was ARTFUL lololol
I love how I know about Twilight exclusively from TH-cam, what a great day to continue that education 😂
this is all you need to know about twilight tbh
They did actually cast a real baby and several real kids and an older actress to play the different versions of Renesmee during the film, they just CGI’d Mackenzie Foy’s face over all of them until the point where it was supposed to be Mackenzie playing child Renesmee. Still rightfully unsettling, of course.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE C*LLEEN HVVR VIDEO I WAS SAVING IT TO WATCH WHILE PAINTING MY NAILS 💔
i came to ask the same q... maybe something needed to be fixed? hoover fandom backlash? lol
stephanie meyer being mormon just makes all of the weird "innocence" stuff make more sense
been loving this coverage of the fanfic to published book pipeline that you’ve displayed on your channel recently
I finished reading Midnight Sun the other day 😂 in her ending notes she mentions how many times she almost quit and i was thinking "huh i wonder what happened there" 😂😂😂😂
Did y’all know that Stephanie imagined Gerard Way as Edward when she was writing Twilight 😃
Wasn't Henry Cavill? And Steven Strait as Jacob
@@imlg228Steven strait was literally imagined as every main book character on Tumblr in that time so that tracks lol
@@imlg228 I have no idea about either of them but it wouldn’t surprise me since Meyer was such a fan girl lol. But she talked about how their music inspired her meadow scene and wanted their music in twilight and they refused 💀
@@ranXd0mthey are legends for this lol I remember being so disappointed in linkin park for allowing their song to be on the credits 😂
In high school during peak Twilight mania, I was too cheap to buy the New Moon book, so my friend sent me the book on Microsoft word format. And I read the entire book.. in Word
Honestly, I read Midnight Sun and enjoyed it. The Remember Twilight podcast is great when it comes to criticising the books and giving credit where credit is due. And to be fair, I read everything in my late 20s. I read it for entertainment not to dissect the book nor to take dating advice (as some seem to do... 😔).
I loved Remember Twilight! So sad they stopped podcasting
Honestly, I would love a series of just Carley explaining everyday modern things to a Victorian child. Imagine trying to explain fanfic, Wattpad, 1D, and After.
twilight will always, year after year, circle back into relevancy in some way shape or form and I couldn't be happier. I love my silly goofy vampire fantasy
I truly believe that the Twilight books could've been way better if she had just taken the time to write them.
Also, in like 3rd or 4th grade i started reading the twilight series abd my bus driver noticed this and decided that she should show me her werewolf romance novels. Such a powerful series
yes! the ideas are there
They would be better,maybe with fewer plot holes but frankly, knowing her ideals and how she doubled down on them in Midnight Sun?
I doubt it.
She had TEN YEARS to write that book, and to try and show a more humanized Edward, instead she doubled down on everything everyone were criticyzing him on, and well, his monologues are Wild.
There is no one who I would rather hear this insane story from. Thank you.
1 minute in and I realized I didn't even see the title of the video, I just saw my favorite comedian and clicked
!! thank you sm bestie
I’ve been through a journey with this series. I was completely obsessed when it came out. Then I think the misogyny got to my head and I was hate-obsessed, now I love it again for the camp that it is.
The only thing I really cannot forgive is Stephenie using an actual tribe of people, bastardized their origin stories to hell, profited off it, and never thanked them, gave back to their community or encourage her fans to, or even bother apologizing. She used them as a prop in her storyline without a second thought or any remorse.
The Quileute Tribe still lives out there and have been fighting to move to higher grounds because they are currently at risk from tsunamis. They’ve been working on this before Twilight became a hit and people can donate to the cause on their website.
Some buzzfeed type social media company once asked on Facebook who everyone’s least favourite actor was. I scrolled the comments and quite literally 1 in 3 said Jane Fonda and I was so confused so I googled it. It was literally the most boomer energy I have ever encountered, and reminded me why I only interact with my craft groups on fb😳
Carley, I LOVE your deep dives and your unhinged summaries, analyses, highlights etc so much, they give me life, they keep me entertained, i watch the whole thing,I don’t have to set the playback speed to 1.5x, I even enjoy your videos on topics I know nothing about. Thank you, sincerely.
Congrats on 300k carley!! Your vids are amazing and so entertaining 🤍🎀
!! thank you
There's a Tumblr blog that impersonates Stephenie Meyer, and the link in her bio to "her website" is actually a link to the Quileute Nation's fundraising website for their Move To Higher Ground project so their schools and stuff don't get flooded by rising sea levels or tsunamis.
I remember reading the leaked Midnight Sun chapters secretly, because there was this thing where everyone thought it wouldn't be published if the leak got too big so loads of people abstained to make Stephanie happy lol
Just to be on the same page. Anastasia was not Greys intern . He gave her the opportunity, just so ha can be close to her, but she didn‘t took it. Ive read both series and listend to the audiobooks multiple times, so i just wanted to make this clear 😂😂
tbh im happy to have a 50 shades expert in the comments
literally so glad someone’s talking abt this
finally some news you can use
I would LOVE if you covered more Hobby Drama posts you just are so much fun to watch
“the body keeps the score” 😂😂😂 dead love that book tho!!
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Carley being the beacon of pop culture we know we needed
never having known the discourse with e l james and stephanie meyer and having it explained to me by you is honestly the best way i couldve spent my sunday night. thanks girl
Your video is so timely as today I started getting out my fall decor weeks in advance (it’s 90 degrees out and I am delulu) and was just about to start my yearly Twilight binge as we entered the spooky season. Thank you for bringing us the knowledge and content we crave
This is the best tea I have ever heard in my life like I needed to hear this thank you queen
shes back and more insane than ever
always ❤️
@@uncarley sometimes im a wee bit concerned for you but yk what ur funny so I'll let it slide xoxo
Carley’s done it again! Thank you for your service queen 🫡✨
CARLEY girl WHY are you deleting/privating ur videos???
for the longest time I thought her name was Stephanie Meyers too omg
My favorite (and least favorite) part of MS is when Edward is watching Bella sleep. She's like tossing and turning as you sometimes do, and he calls it her, "nightly gyrations." Like good god...wtf.
As someone who has many many times wanted to flip a table, I knew exactly what she meant when she said it was a flip of the table moment. She did not mean the tables had turn. Girl was mad. She wanted to flip a damn table!
Hey bestie why are your new videos private :/
Damn, this is the first time I've really thought about the timeline these books were released. That explains so much. I wonder if part of the the series popularity was thanks to the intense deadline? I would imagine the quick turn around allowed the material to be top of mind before the next book is on the shelf.