It should be noted that fortifications aren't 100% safe. Clowns can still throw pies and send their various clown particles through. Which could be a bit too much fun for many players. also in some rare instances if things get silly enough a clown can theoretically be shot through fortifications. if you have a tile to spare I recommend building windows behind the fortifications for a safer circus experience.
Not just shoot through either. I had a goblin siege about an hour ago. A few of them dodged a stone fall trap and climbed through the fortification. I later had to dig some of those fortifications out so I could remove the corpses. Though I believe I recall reading that they can't do anything from below. I could be wrong. As for the fortification and glass combo, you probably know this already, but for anyone who reads this and doesn't know. It's a good way to protect your hunting dog scouts. Fortifications can be shot through as mentioned. Windows can be destroyed by building destroyers. (Fortifications can't). Fortification goes outside. Window goes inside. Just make sure you remember the order
@@SinkingLotus I didn’t think stuff as large as a goblin could dodge through fortifications! The fortifications wouldn’t have been on a z level above the trap, like on a constructed floor, a setup that kinda looks like this (not top down, but viewed from side on, so fort/floor is +1 z level above gobbo.) __[+] Gobbo 🪨 gobbo Because unless im misremembering (which could very well be) I think having an overhang with a fortification attached to the edge still lets stuff move a diagonally upwards, so between the floor and the fortification, so in this example __ [+] ↖️(gobbo actually moved diagonally through here, and not through the fortification.)
Yup this is very true. Using the fortifications is only good for delaying them. I like to have my path to my tunnel down to hell protected by multiple bridges with a lever so I can recall my dwarves then lock it off while I prepare to take them on fully
I was watching FurtherReading do this on stream and rather than fortifying everything he does the corners only, this prevents any pies or whatever the term is for fire jets. He couples it with glass flooring to spot the gaps and also tries to fortify spots out of line of sight of the entrance to that layer where possible so miners won't get scared when pathing by. It's a much safer and more well thought out approach than what Blind suggests here. To be bluntly honest, they more I see of other creators the more I realise that Blind is a bit of a clown himself.
im glad you made this, i recorded my own video for this because i hadnt heard anyone touch on it. i used the same method but for getting access to all the goodies in the volcanic pillar, but during recording i carved a fortification into a wall that contained a clown submerged in water (dunk tank) the 5/7 water level in the fortification allowed the clown into my fortress and ruined the video. reminder to everyone to dig greedily, but carefully
That is a super neat idea with the fortifications. I know whenever I dig into Adamantine I always get overrun by Fun regardless of how many military squads and steel armor and weapons i give my Dwarves
my goal for the next time I get down to the HFS I want to try and preemptively setup a minecart meat grinder hallway with platinum minecarts in it to (hopefully) grind all the weaker clowns into dust, and soften up the bigger ones enough that a moderately well trained army can handle them. we'll see how that goes, though.
@@алексейЦыплёнков-ф6о oh for sure. I figure I'll have the water generator one floor above in a bridge airlock in the event they climb up the vertical shaft I'll be using to transmit power to the minecart rollers. that and a bridge before the grinder so I can let them through in small groups. it'll be like slowly bleeding the carbonation out of a Champaign bottle so it doesn't just spray everywhere
As I found it my first time I was digging very greedily but it worked out because I mined out water and lava right next to the hole which plugged it instantly with obsidian.
I have two minecart shotguns with metal bronze balls prepared to shoot the corridor, where clowns will go. Also I have an idea to plug the upright weapons to a lever to pierce through those monsters, while they'll be trapped between the bridges. I know they are avoid traps, but I guess manual switching the spikes should do the trick. )
You can also use those fortifications to channel unwanted fluids down into the bottomless pits. So if you have a particular annoying heavy aquifer you can create a pathway to the adamantine spire to drain all that unwanted water. The same hold true for the magma sea. Just bear in mind that your frame rate is gonna hate you for that.
I arrived to magma see, but how can I find adamantine and keep digging deeper? I just hit semimolten rock and magma flow which prevents me to dig further....
If you found the magma sea, then I would recommend exploring the area. If it's a cavern, walk around, dig out all gems and ores, follow the clues. Be warned, curiosity killed the cat.
Im not sure if a cave in would punch through. I've yet to try it. You can do a simple controlled cave in by building on the above Z level. A grate with a single ground attachment point, then build another floor with only the grate as a support. The floor will fall down and punch several holes through the ground.
There won't be semi molten rock everywhere. Same with magma flow. You could try to dig out the whole layer and see where you can and can't dig. Then Channel out a tile ever so often just one layer
Go higher, adamantine veins spawn as tubes going across several z-levels and are (I think) the only things that poke through the otherwise impenetrable semimolten rock layer
I just accidentally mined into the circus just two days ago. 100 deaths, and the clowns have completely taken over the mines, forges, and outdoors. The 200 residents left inside are doing fine, though
Few days ago I found my first eerie cavern with a hole in the roof(there was like 5 empty layers of air between cavern floor and hole to cavern from adamantine spire) and demons didnt attacked until a built a stairs and made a path between cavern and fort. So I guess you dont really need fortifications if you are lucky enough
Figure out how to obscure it with a drawbridge so your dwarves don't freak at the sight of it, then lay cage traps in its firing line. Webbed cage traps can catch anything that doesn't shoot webs itself.
AFAIK there isn't any "dealing with it" except to avoid it by finding places where it isn't. Those places are usually, but not only, the clown tunnels mentioned in this video.
I spent so many days trying to find out ways to get adamantine, yesterday I decided fuck it and just went for it and breached hell, and then this gets uploaded like half a day afterwards lmao
@@BlindiRL I doubt I'm the first one to think that people talking about hordes of violent clowns is unfair to those with the relevant phobia. It feels like an anachronistic hazing ritual trying to trick people into recklessly unleashing Fun* on their fort...after they've presumably done the same through the prior cavern layers without being attacked by anything serious? I can't imagine what's being "spoiled." *I DO like "Fun," but that's because it's sort of an ironic half-truth. "Fun" is what makes the game interesting, after all. Ultimately, DF is a highly replayable game and the vast majority of fortresses will be run by people who know all about the "hidden Fun stuff" and enjoy the game all the more for it. Maybe "the Circus" only survived as a tradition because it's funny out of context and people enjoy the joke too much to question it.
How on earth does the community think it’s cool to just hide the fact the getting to end game will probably just kill you your first time. I would genuinely quit if I didn’t see this before hand.
He could have just out right said "the demonic forces of hell" rather than some insider terminology that might make somebody go "what's that?" but whatever it's not my channel. I'm just here to enjoy his content.
@@SoberAddiction I had already known that there's something really bad that happens if you dig too deep, people tend to give away little hints even when they're trying not to spoil, so I figured that much out at least. However I had no idea clowns were involved at all, I just learned that from this video. I was watching because the video thumbnail was suggesting magma at depth, and I thought this video was going to be about how you can get down low enough to get your hands on some magma without it being a disaster to the fort.
As far as I understand it, "circus", "clowns", "ringmasters", etc, are already very well-established, less-spoilery euphemisms, used in the DF community to refer to the Hidden Fun Stuff you'll encounter when you dig too deep. I'm not sure whether a video that's suggesting "Ideas" for "Digging into the Underworld Safely", should necessarily be considered a "tutorial" - at least in the most common sense of a "tutorial video" for Dwarf Fortress. This video certainly isn't meant to be necessarily provide instructions/introductions to brand new Dwarf Fortress players.
What I really, really don't understand as a new player myself is all these *spoiler* bs as if it's some big hush hush secret. So there's some balrogs underneath. What about it? What could possibly be so spoilery about it when everybody knows about it?
@@TheMANARUS It always confused me too. "If you dig too deep and collect too much _candy_ , you might find the _circus_ full of _clowns_ that will _throw pies_ at you and be really _!fun!_ ". Like, it's just the most rudimentary mad libs replacement of the words. Surely no one actually believes that's still effective and everyone just does it for tradition's sake? It would be better to just not talk about the subject at all, or stay vague, than to thinly obfuscate the words in a plain sentence that could have just had all the real words. Like it worked for sure back in 2006, back in 40d and all those old versions of the game, but with so many people playing now, and consuming video content on the game...
@@TheMANARUS Completely agree with that, to be honest (new player since December, but I'd been hearing about Dwarf Fortress for many years). I was originally going to say something in my comment about DF HFS being "one of the worst-kept secrets in gaming", but my comment seemed to get a bit too long. I guess in the end, it's just that people like the novelty of people potentially still discovering the circus on their own, purely as a consequence of their own greed/hubris/skill. On the other hand, as it is such a badly-kept secret anyway (and as the "hidden fun" language is such obvious false advertisement), you could just as easily say that all of this serves to ENSURE there's always going to be a steady trickle of new visitors to the circus (frustrated by all the ambiguity, and fixated on getting a proper look for themselves). And until they do get that look, they're NEVER going to guess it really IS just clowns all the way down.
@@TheMANARUS Some communities are like this. DF has a forum with a great deal of information sharing and also players who don't like content spoilers. It's only natural that this would become part of the community ettiquete. I think they found a funny way to go about doing it, too.
It should be noted that fortifications aren't 100% safe. Clowns can still throw pies and send their various clown particles through. Which could be a bit too much fun for many players. also in some rare instances if things get silly enough a clown can theoretically be shot through fortifications. if you have a tile to spare I recommend building windows behind the fortifications for a safer circus experience.
Not just shoot through either. I had a goblin siege about an hour ago. A few of them dodged a stone fall trap and climbed through the fortification. I later had to dig some of those fortifications out so I could remove the corpses.
Though I believe I recall reading that they can't do anything from below. I could be wrong.
As for the fortification and glass combo, you probably know this already, but for anyone who reads this and doesn't know. It's a good way to protect your hunting dog scouts. Fortifications can be shot through as mentioned. Windows can be destroyed by building destroyers. (Fortifications can't).
Fortification goes outside. Window goes inside. Just make sure you remember the order
@@SinkingLotus I didn’t think stuff as large as a goblin could dodge through fortifications!
The fortifications wouldn’t have been on a z level above the trap, like on a constructed floor, a setup that kinda looks like this (not top down, but viewed from side on, so fort/floor is +1 z level above gobbo.)
__[+]
Gobbo 🪨 gobbo
Because unless im misremembering (which could very well be) I think having an overhang with a fortification attached to the edge still lets stuff move a diagonally upwards, so between the floor and the fortification, so in this example
__ [+]
↖️(gobbo actually moved diagonally through here, and not through the fortification.)
Yup this is very true. Using the fortifications is only good for delaying them. I like to have my path to my tunnel down to hell protected by multiple bridges with a lever so I can recall my dwarves then lock it off while I prepare to take them on fully
I was watching FurtherReading do this on stream and rather than fortifying everything he does the corners only, this prevents any pies or whatever the term is for fire jets.
He couples it with glass flooring to spot the gaps and also tries to fortify spots out of line of sight of the entrance to that layer where possible so miners won't get scared when pathing by.
It's a much safer and more well thought out approach than what Blind suggests here.
To be bluntly honest, they more I see of other creators the more I realise that Blind is a bit of a clown himself.
Translation for a normie please
im glad you made this, i recorded my own video for this because i hadnt heard anyone touch on it. i used the same method but for getting access to all the goodies in the volcanic pillar, but during recording i carved a fortification into a wall that contained a clown submerged in water (dunk tank) the 5/7 water level in the fortification allowed the clown into my fortress and ruined the video.
reminder to everyone to dig greedily, but carefully
That is a super neat idea with the fortifications. I know whenever I dig into Adamantine I always get overrun by Fun regardless of how many military squads and steel armor and weapons i give my Dwarves
my goal for the next time I get down to the HFS I want to try and preemptively setup a minecart meat grinder hallway with platinum minecarts in it to (hopefully) grind all the weaker clowns into dust, and soften up the bigger ones enough that a moderately well trained army can handle them. we'll see how that goes, though.
@@burnin8able have some bridge air locks just in case
@@алексейЦыплёнков-ф6о oh for sure. I figure I'll have the water generator one floor above in a bridge airlock in the event they climb up the vertical shaft I'll be using to transmit power to the minecart rollers. that and a bridge before the grinder so I can let them through in small groups. it'll be like slowly bleeding the carbonation out of a Champaign bottle so it doesn't just spray everywhere
As I found it my first time I was digging very greedily but it worked out because I mined out water and lava right next to the hole which plugged it instantly with obsidian.
I have two minecart shotguns with metal bronze balls prepared to shoot the corridor, where clowns will go. Also I have an idea to plug the upright weapons to a lever to pierce through those monsters, while they'll be trapped between the bridges. I know they are avoid traps, but I guess manual switching the spikes should do the trick. )
You can also use those fortifications to channel unwanted fluids down into the bottomless pits. So if you have a particular annoying heavy aquifer you can create a pathway to the adamantine spire to drain all that unwanted water. The same hold true for the magma sea. Just bear in mind that your frame rate is gonna hate you for that.
Yes, but also this would crash a NASA computer with FPS death.
Thanks for the spoilers alert, il com aback later and watch this when afer exploring more!
I arrived to magma see, but how can I find adamantine and keep digging deeper?
I just hit semimolten rock and magma flow which prevents me to dig further....
If you found the magma sea, then I would recommend exploring the area. If it's a cavern, walk around, dig out all gems and ores, follow the clues. Be warned, curiosity killed the cat.
Im not sure if a cave in would punch through. I've yet to try it. You can do a simple controlled cave in by building on the above Z level. A grate with a single ground attachment point, then build another floor with only the grate as a support. The floor will fall down and punch several holes through the ground.
There won't be semi molten rock everywhere. Same with magma flow. You could try to dig out the whole layer and see where you can and can't dig. Then Channel out a tile ever so often just one layer
Go higher, adamantine veins spawn as tubes going across several z-levels and are (I think) the only things that poke through the otherwise impenetrable semimolten rock layer
haha love the intermission, thanks for the upload!
Any time!
Ooh, I've been using fortifications for caverns all this time, didn't even cross my mind to do that for the clowns.
0:36 ❤ thank you for the warning most appreciated:) so had to stop the video there :)
No problem 😊
That's a way better plan than what I have been doing
I just accidentally mined into the circus just two days ago. 100 deaths, and the clowns have completely taken over the mines, forges, and outdoors. The 200 residents left inside are doing fine, though
Few days ago I found my first eerie cavern with a hole in the roof(there was like 5 empty layers of air between cavern floor and hole to cavern from adamantine spire) and demons didnt attacked until a built a stairs and made a path between cavern and fort. So I guess you dont really need fortifications if you are lucky enough
Flying demons don't really give a crap about such things.
Haha, thats an adorable mug. It makes me want to dig a hole. I'll pick one up next paycheck.
*Have fun and be safe Blind and friends.*
I like what u call the mug- “A Vile Mug of Darkness”- much better than its real name (which I can’t even remember 😂)!
Vile Force of Mug doesn't roll off the tongue as well as Vile Mug of Darkness imo.
@@oathkeeperofoblivion972 a vile force of mug is what happens when a legendary thrower gets too drunk in the tavern
@@SatanicWalnut2 🤣🤣🤣
what is optimal difference in layers between surface and top layers of magma sea?
lets say you have a web-spitting clown trapped in rock a few tiles from the entrance to the circus, how does one exploit this into caging clowns?
Clowns don't shoot webs. Chemically, it's a substance that's closer in nature to cotton candy.
Figure out how to obscure it with a drawbridge so your dwarves don't freak at the sight of it, then lay cage traps in its firing line. Webbed cage traps can catch anything that doesn't shoot webs itself.
thank you very hard to find info on lol
Once saw a vid, where a guy flooded hell lol, just dropped the whole damn ocean in
could you do a quick tutorial on how to deal with Semi molten rock next?
AFAIK there isn't any "dealing with it" except to avoid it by finding places where it isn't.
Those places are usually, but not only, the clown tunnels mentioned in this video.
Well done!
I DONT HAVE TO FEAR THE CIRCUS ANYMORE!
minecart supercollider is the best way to remove clown
Really late, to this video, but it should be noted that someone already built a whole fortress in the HFS
I spent so many days trying to find out ways to get adamantine, yesterday I decided fuck it and just went for it and breached hell, and then this gets uploaded like half a day afterwards lmao
tbh you should have just called it the vile mug of darkness, it's a much better name than vile force of mug
Especially if you put coffee in it. That is both dark and vile, so it works wonderfully.
I don't really understand the spoilers tradition DF has.
same. lmao.
@@BlindiRL I doubt I'm the first one to think that people talking about hordes of violent clowns is unfair to those with the relevant phobia.
It feels like an anachronistic hazing ritual trying to trick people into recklessly unleashing Fun* on their fort...after they've presumably done the same through the prior cavern layers without being attacked by anything serious? I can't imagine what's being "spoiled."
*I DO like "Fun," but that's because it's sort of an ironic half-truth. "Fun" is what makes the game interesting, after all.
Ultimately, DF is a highly replayable game and the vast majority of fortresses will be run by people who know all about the "hidden Fun stuff" and enjoy the game all the more for it. Maybe "the Circus" only survived as a tradition because it's funny out of context and people enjoy the joke too much to question it.
I've been playing dawrf fortress since the beginning... and I've never been to the circus
Thank you for the strong spoiler alert!
How on earth does the community think it’s cool to just hide the fact the getting to end game will probably just kill you your first time. I would genuinely quit if I didn’t see this before hand.
Might want to update the video to put the spoilers warning BEFORE mentioning clowns. :(
He could have just out right said "the demonic forces of hell" rather than some insider terminology that might make somebody go "what's that?" but whatever it's not my channel. I'm just here to enjoy his content.
@@SoberAddiction I had already known that there's something really bad that happens if you dig too deep, people tend to give away little hints even when they're trying not to spoil, so I figured that much out at least.
However I had no idea clowns were involved at all, I just learned that from this video.
I was watching because the video thumbnail was suggesting magma at depth, and I thought this video was going to be about how you can get down low enough to get your hands on some magma without it being a disaster to the fort.
Also thanks for not even showing hell
Thanks for not helping find the adamatine
Just dig down pinhead
Lol ... using something like "clowns" in a tutorial is prolly not the best way to go ?
As far as I understand it, "circus", "clowns", "ringmasters", etc, are already very well-established, less-spoilery euphemisms, used in the DF community to refer to the Hidden Fun Stuff you'll encounter when you dig too deep.
I'm not sure whether a video that's suggesting "Ideas" for "Digging into the Underworld Safely", should necessarily be considered a "tutorial" - at least in the most common sense of a "tutorial video" for Dwarf Fortress. This video certainly isn't meant to be necessarily provide instructions/introductions to brand new Dwarf Fortress players.
What I really, really don't understand as a new player myself is all these *spoiler* bs as if it's some big hush hush secret. So there's some balrogs underneath. What about it? What could possibly be so spoilery about it when everybody knows about it?
@@TheMANARUS It always confused me too. "If you dig too deep and collect too much _candy_ , you might find the _circus_ full of _clowns_ that will _throw pies_ at you and be really _!fun!_ ". Like, it's just the most rudimentary mad libs replacement of the words. Surely no one actually believes that's still effective and everyone just does it for tradition's sake? It would be better to just not talk about the subject at all, or stay vague, than to thinly obfuscate the words in a plain sentence that could have just had all the real words. Like it worked for sure back in 2006, back in 40d and all those old versions of the game, but with so many people playing now, and consuming video content on the game...
@@TheMANARUS Completely agree with that, to be honest (new player since December, but I'd been hearing about Dwarf Fortress for many years).
I was originally going to say something in my comment about DF HFS being "one of the worst-kept secrets in gaming", but my comment seemed to get a bit too long.
I guess in the end, it's just that people like the novelty of people potentially still discovering the circus on their own, purely as a consequence of their own greed/hubris/skill.
On the other hand, as it is such a badly-kept secret anyway (and as the "hidden fun" language is such obvious false advertisement), you could just as easily say that all of this serves to ENSURE there's always going to be a steady trickle of new visitors to the circus (frustrated by all the ambiguity, and fixated on getting a proper look for themselves).
And until they do get that look, they're NEVER going to guess it really IS just clowns all the way down.
@@TheMANARUS Some communities are like this. DF has a forum with a great deal of information sharing and also players who don't like content spoilers. It's only natural that this would become part of the community ettiquete. I think they found a funny way to go about doing it, too.