That first thrust was pretty much the most beautiful thing you can do from a kendo perspective! You find the gaps in your opponents attention, step in and take your point. Simple. Elegant. Efficient.
Having watched a bit of HEMA on YT, id say sutemi is pretty much non existent in most cases. You see lots of 'timid' stepping forward/backward trying not to get hit, leading to a lack of full committal in their cuts - leading to a game of whacky sticks. Different rules, so hard to compare like with like with kendo tbh.
@@Dezzasheep Sutemi is an interesting concept, you don't really see it in the criteria for yuko datotsu. Indeed zanshin is in the criteria for yuko datotsu, and a traditional reading of zanshin is that you hold about 20% back for a follow up attack e.g. renzoku waza, sutemi means you hold nothing back. At high levels of competitive kendo you do not really see the sutemi "zanshin". I speculate that one does not really know what 80% is unless one knows what 100% is, and one cannot do 100% without ki-ken-tai-icchi. Ki-ken-tai-icchi seems to be the only real criteria in our 1st, 2nd and 3rd dan exams at 60%, 80% and 90% quality respectively, which for most of us represents 6-10 years of focused training. I agree that we don't really do ourselves any favors when we compare ourselves to other fencing systems. There is a modern belief that sparring should be a gamified combat simulation, and kendo clearly falls short here. If however we look to the history if kendo, it seems to have emerged as a gamification of uchikomi keiko, which was first introduced in the jikishinkage-ryu kenjutsu style as a corrective measure for "dead" kata. The intensity is the point.
Not cringe, your italian fencing is on point. Some of the opponents, however, commit pretty basic mistakes: - Putting Rapier and dagger parallel one from another, letting a gap in the center of the defence. - Both rapier and dagger are in an acute angle, leaving the central line exposed - Keeping the dagger and the buckler too close to the body, reducing the angles it covers - Keeping both arms too open, leaving the center exposed We all commit one of those when we tire up in a match but seeing so many in a tournament is strange. These 4 points are usually taught in the first class and enforced every so often. In any case, it's a fun video :)
The biggest mistake most of his opponents make is being weirdly allergic to keeping their point on target. Hardly the first time I've seen it, either. It's such a simple thing, yet so many fencers seem determined to point their sword at literally anything but their opponent.
I am a HEMA elitist and I am confused at what is supposed to make me cringe. All I see is good fencing. PS: I did find something. Using an unrated pair of pants at a supposedly high-level tourney is cringe, and frankly stupid. Especially with rapier. But that's mostly on the tourney organizers.
I don't understand the title. You did an excellent job at fundamentals of fencing. Good distance management, good timing and exploiting open lines like a boss.
I've trained heavier swords from historical antiquity. But I love watching a brilliant rapier swordsman. Those techniques would get me dead with a broadsword or Gladius. It's cool how it's all way different with the type of sword.
Oh that was fun, I saw myself in the background of one of your fights and remember watching you and thinking that you were quite good. Bummer that CombatCon might go away after 2024.
I mean... if they don't defend themselves, they're probably doing it wrong. Good fencing on your part! Rule #1 of all combatives is to defend yourself at all times. The moment you forget that is the moment you get KO'd or thrust through the face.
3:00 I absolutely love how you (idk if you're the guy in the videos) conditioned your opponent to parry-reposta right and left cuts just to exploid the pattern of blocking you forced him to create. Excellent fencing.
Beautiful moves bro! And i love the music, have you ever heard Lucas imbiriba doing Malaguena? Or Estes Tonne doing The song of the Golden Dragon, or Between Water and Fire...? I think these songs would go great with your sword fighting brother. Thx again for the vids
This tournament is advertised as the NA championship, even though that is not the case. I also unfortunately have no control over who comes to this event, but hopefully I'll have enough funds to go fence internationally at some point
@@Gallachad i appreciate you advertising the sport! I don’t practice HEMAs but am really interested in it. Seeing competition footage from you and other guys I conclude that the sport and competition side of things are still in the baby shoes (at least in the US) . The skill difference is enormous. It can’t be that one person can go at a continental event and just style on people like that. But I think you know this yourself. Which sport did you do prior?
it is because of some of the equipment being used (some having decorated armor, and one having a pumpkin face and japanese pauldrons) and the mistakes being made primarily by the opposing fencers. some left their centers open, were relatively slow, or were making some otherwise basic mistakes that shouldnt be made by a fencer beyond their first few months
Watching him turn and get hit on the back of the head is really bad, but it's even worse seeing that he doesn't have a back of head protector on. I think the cut hit the side of the mask but only barely.
Finished watching. There is some really good seme in this compilation. Does HEMA have a similar concept? Seme - offensive pressure. Your opponent should not notice you prepare an attack because you are always prepared to attack.
For sidesword I use the High Guard Gloves, and for Rapier I use the Purpleheart Single Stick Leather Gloves if I fight other rapiers. If I fight anything heavier than a rapier and my sword doesn't have a lot of hand protection I'll opt for the High Guard Gloves
This is clickbait Where is the cringe? Nearly every attack has good body mechanics behind it, making them martially valid/"sufficient force to injure if sharp", the attacks are safe/covered and so are the retreats/recoveries--attacking into a guard and leaving with/into a guard, etc
I personally really dislike the way that "Rob Childs-esque" stance looks from the side, but damn is that low guard extremely effective Amazing distance and timing managment - I personally really struggle, after attempting such a direct thrust, with an afterblow in the shape of a simple downward cut while my blade i still near my opponents throat, although I never do rapier and dagger
That first thrust was pretty much the most beautiful thing you can do from a kendo perspective!
You find the gaps in your opponents attention, step in and take your point. Simple. Elegant. Efficient.
I concur. Excellent use of the principles of Seme and Sutemi in western sword fighting. Very well done.
Having watched a bit of HEMA on YT, id say sutemi is pretty much non existent in most cases. You see lots of 'timid' stepping forward/backward trying not to get hit, leading to a lack of full committal in their cuts - leading to a game of whacky sticks. Different rules, so hard to compare like with like with kendo tbh.
@@Dezzasheep Sutemi is an interesting concept, you don't really see it in the criteria for yuko datotsu. Indeed zanshin is in the criteria for yuko datotsu, and a traditional reading of zanshin is that you hold about 20% back for a follow up attack e.g. renzoku waza, sutemi means you hold nothing back.
At high levels of competitive kendo you do not really see the sutemi "zanshin". I speculate that one does not really know what 80% is unless one knows what 100% is, and one cannot do 100% without ki-ken-tai-icchi. Ki-ken-tai-icchi seems to be the only real criteria in our 1st, 2nd and 3rd dan exams at 60%, 80% and 90% quality respectively, which for most of us represents 6-10 years of focused training.
I agree that we don't really do ourselves any favors when we compare ourselves to other fencing systems. There is a modern belief that sparring should be a gamified combat simulation, and kendo clearly falls short here. If however we look to the history if kendo, it seems to have emerged as a gamification of uchikomi keiko, which was first introduced in the jikishinkage-ryu kenjutsu style as a corrective measure for "dead" kata. The intensity is the point.
Not cringe, your italian fencing is on point. Some of the opponents, however, commit pretty basic mistakes:
- Putting Rapier and dagger parallel one from another, letting a gap in the center of the defence.
- Both rapier and dagger are in an acute angle, leaving the central line exposed
- Keeping the dagger and the buckler too close to the body, reducing the angles it covers
- Keeping both arms too open, leaving the center exposed
We all commit one of those when we tire up in a match but seeing so many in a tournament is strange. These 4 points are usually taught in the first class and enforced every so often. In any case, it's a fun video :)
Pretty basic mistakes? They are sleeping. Zero reaction. Zombie land.
The biggest mistake most of his opponents make is being weirdly allergic to keeping their point on target. Hardly the first time I've seen it, either. It's such a simple thing, yet so many fencers seem determined to point their sword at literally anything but their opponent.
I am a HEMA elitist and I am confused at what is supposed to make me cringe. All I see is good fencing.
PS: I did find something. Using an unrated pair of pants at a supposedly high-level tourney is cringe, and frankly stupid. Especially with rapier. But that's mostly on the tourney organizers.
You're only cringe if you think you're not cringe. There's always someone better.
The title actually feels like click bait
Damn, I was baited. I came for cringe and saw some good fencing on your side :)
I don't understand the title. You did an excellent job at fundamentals of fencing. Good distance management, good timing and exploiting open lines like a boss.
I've trained heavier swords from historical antiquity. But I love watching a brilliant rapier swordsman. Those techniques would get me dead with a broadsword or Gladius. It's cool how it's all way different with the type of sword.
Personally I've never done HEMA, but I really liked your footwork when wielding rapier and dagger, very straightforward and fast, almost kendo-like
Oh that was fun, I saw myself in the background of one of your fights and remember watching you and thinking that you were quite good. Bummer that CombatCon might go away after 2024.
Man, your fencing is actually quite the sight to watch, both very skillful and entertaining. Really makes me wanna get into it.
I mean... if they don't defend themselves, they're probably doing it wrong. Good fencing on your part!
Rule #1 of all combatives is to defend yourself at all times. The moment you forget that is the moment you get KO'd or thrust through the face.
Who would get mad at this?! I wanna spare with this guy cause I’d learn so much
Great video. I love your confidence and control. The title really encapsulates how off balance these figters are.
3:00 I absolutely love how you (idk if you're the guy in the videos) conditioned your opponent to parry-reposta right and left cuts just to exploid the pattern of blocking you forced him to create. Excellent fencing.
Thank you! I am the fencer in the white mask
That first thrust was clean asf
Beautiful moves bro!
And i love the music, have you ever heard Lucas imbiriba doing Malaguena?
Or Estes Tonne doing The song of the Golden Dragon, or Between Water and Fire...?
I think these songs would go great with your sword fighting brother.
Thx again for the vids
Thanks for the suggestions!
The thumbnail didn't have to go so hard😭
3:38 wait, that guy has knee guards, above his red dragon knee guards.
oh yeah i didnt notice. might be he's tall and the red dragons dont fully cover the knee
I could watch this man Fence all day
You're really good ! I wish there was someone like you to train me
@alexthepunk84 If you are near Leeds UK. Check out the Tudor Rose School of Defence for good side sword instruction.
Man this is totally ball to the wall
So simple and cheap :D
That carpet makes me cringe
4:45 You are going to end up breaking that back ankle my dude.
5:26 the guy got his leg armor from a stromtrooper.
4:04 looks awesome, also that guy you're fencing looks super graceful
You are like a pro player participating in a local tournament lol big fishin a small pond
This could actually be the case lol
This tournament is advertised as the NA championship, even though that is not the case. I also unfortunately have no control over who comes to this event, but hopefully I'll have enough funds to go fence internationally at some point
@@Gallachad i appreciate you advertising the sport! I don’t practice HEMAs but am really interested in it. Seeing competition footage from you and other guys I conclude that the sport and competition side of things are still in the baby shoes (at least in the US) .
The skill difference is enormous. It can’t be that one person can go at a continental event and just style on people like that. But I think you know this yourself. Which sport did you do prior?
@@MartialAlexLe This is my first sport, I started training seriously almost 6 years ago in late 2017
I really want to fight you, in a good way🦊
Props for picking my fav tune!
Like the arm drags. Very nice
Great stuff. You fought at least one person I know!
What do you mean by Elitists? Man, I love that you put some cool Flamenco over the bouts. BTW this video is a lesson in and of itself, thank you!
Don't get the elitists cringing bit. Maybe it's clickbait? If so, not good for subscription numbers.
Solid fencing.
it is because of some of the equipment being used (some having decorated armor, and one having a pumpkin face and japanese pauldrons) and the mistakes being made primarily by the opposing fencers. some left their centers open, were relatively slow, or were making some otherwise basic mistakes that shouldnt be made by a fencer beyond their first few months
This guy unlocked the easy mode
Great song choice!
True elite
Damn thats some nice fencing
Pro
4:04 the guy should really stop turning his back after his blitz. The back of the head is a dangerous place to get hit.
Watching him turn and get hit on the back of the head is really bad, but it's even worse seeing that he doesn't have a back of head protector on. I think the cut hit the side of the mask but only barely.
these guys hold a shield with the back hand half the time lol
All Opponents lack simple olympic sport fencing technic. But of course they are way more cool than olympic fencers...
Nice fights
What tourny aloud dagger vs buckler.
Same, I love asymmetrical dueling.
Finished watching. There is some really good seme in this compilation. Does HEMA have a similar concept?
Seme - offensive pressure. Your opponent should not notice you prepare an attack because you are always prepared to attack.
...tell me you're a Black Tiger without telling me you're a Black Tiger. :)
Italian style is the best :)
Amateur at best hobbist this is not the way
What sidesword do you use? The way you wield it makes it look weightless lol
For this tournament I used the Kvetun Sidesword, it was secondhand so I don't know the exact model
If you have 2 swords why don't you throw one to distract opponent?
what gloves do you use
For sidesword I use the High Guard Gloves, and for Rapier I use the Purpleheart Single Stick Leather Gloves if I fight other rapiers. If I fight anything heavier than a rapier and my sword doesn't have a lot of hand protection I'll opt for the High Guard Gloves
Only thing making me cringe are your opponents.
i don't get it, what do the elitists have against this kind of fencing? i'm out of the loop
I'm also wondering about this
This is clickbait
Where is the cringe?
Nearly every attack has good body mechanics behind it, making them martially valid/"sufficient force to injure if sharp", the attacks are safe/covered and so are the retreats/recoveries--attacking into a guard and leaving with/into a guard, etc
This is all pretty standard orthodox fencing not sure what would make elitists cringe
I personally really dislike the way that "Rob Childs-esque" stance looks from the side, but damn is that low guard extremely effective
Amazing distance and timing managment - I personally really struggle, after attempting such a direct thrust, with an afterblow in the shape of a simple downward cut while my blade i still near my opponents throat, although I never do rapier and dagger
Ha ha ha ha ha!
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