Hunting down the mafia in Italy | DW Documentary
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- Italian prosecutor Nicola Gratteri is on a mission -- against the mafia. After ordering the arrest of nearly 350 members of the notorious 'Ndrangheta syndicate, along with politicians and officials accused of assisting them, he is now launching Italy’s biggest mafia trial in three decades.
The trial began in mid-January in the town of Lemezia Terme in Calabria, the heartland of the ‘Ndrangheta. The trial specifically targets the Mancuso clan, which has controlled the area of Vibo Valentia for decades and plays a key role in the smuggling of cocaine from South America.
The largest court case of its kind since the Palermo maxi trials in the 1980s, this trial has been years in the making. In 2019, regional chief prosecutor Nicola Gratteri - who has lived under constant police protection for the past 30 years - dealt a major blow to Europe’s most dangerous mafia group, overseeing more than 350 arrests in coordinated raids that shut down businesses and seized dirty money.
Leading witnesses, journalists and the families of the victims are among the many hoping the trial will curtail the power of the fearsome ‘Ndrangheta. We hear from a former member of the group, who wishes to remain anonymous for fear of his life. He confirms that arms trafficking, money laundering, extortion and murder are part and parcel of the group’s operations. And those operations are lucrative - worth some 55 billion euros a year. Relatives of the ’Ndrangheta’s victims, like Vincenzo Chindamo, are also following the trial closely. The body of his sister Maria has never been found. Through the testimony of a key witness, the family learned that she was probably murdered by a member of the ’Ndrangheta because she refused to sell her land to the group. Journalist Michele Albanese, who has been reporting on the crimes of the mafia in Calabria for years despite the risk to his life, is also hoping that the trial will be a milestone in the fight against the ’Ndrangheta.
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This prosecutor is a hero. People like him deserve Nobel peace prize, not useless politicians
I have to leave a comment here. I just came to know today that he could have been our Minister of Justice years ago but the President of italy at that time Napolitano thought differently, he also was same president that destroyed the only and last proofs (in form of unheard intercepted phone calls) of the pact between the state and the mafia happened years ago
A useless politician like Obama. He received the Nobel Peace Prize, turned around a started the war in Libya . Ridiculous!
A useless politician like Obama. He received the peace Nobel price, and turned around a started the war in Libya
@@leonardo_8322 he don't drop bombs every 20 min like Mr Obama and get nobel prize for peace. Miki mouse prize
@@ddst777 Who cares? What does this has to do with Napolitano's actions?
This prosecutor literally sacrificed his life for the people and for Italy. He sacrificed himself not to go out, not to have relationships not to have friends and everything else that every normal person needs to feel alive and he did this in the name of Italy Italian people..... This guy deserves to be in history books
Calabria is not italy
@@valerianocuomo996 Ndragheta is in northern Italy and in other countries too
Mr. Gratteri should be awarded the highest honor bestowed to Italian civilians. He's risking his life to serve justice. There's no higher honor to right a wrong, and risking your life everyday by doing it. I SALUTE YOU. Mr. Gratteri! God Bless you and your family. The entire nation of Italy owes you a great gratitude!
Maybe you mean the entire Europe and the World just because, despite what you think, the 'Ndrangheta organisation is wherever you think it could be. So every good people have to be so grateful to a person like Nicola Gratteri or Michele the journalist.
Just one thing, he never persecute bankers or financial societies.... as Falcone and borsellino (they yes, were killed by mafia/state) taught, follow the money and will find the real mafia. A part of them, also chinnici and costa died....why?because they followed the money. Gratteri is good, but he thinks that the real mafia is there in Calabria, among sheepers and builders. He also think that if you smoke a joint, 'the molecules of your brain explode'...
@@francesco2923 all the rest aside, a lot of these old timers of that generation and cannot seem to comprehend the massive difference between hard drugs like cocaine versus an relatively innocuous substance like cannabis - and it’s various medical applications … although I believe Italy does have med cannabis laws if I remember correctly?
@@francesco2923 i know that he has an ancient view about marijuana and light drugs. When he talks about them his speech is scientificless and without any proves of what he is saying.
Now if he actually knew who killed his sister and said something to authorities or media, then he would be risking his life.
To think we glorify mafia and gangster lifestyles through movies and music but the reality is ordinary people suffer at the hands of these guys. I applaud this prosecutor for putting his life and family on the line to put an end to this
joe biden kneel for a criminal joe floyd,the gouvernement is corrupted allowing the crime run free
Zionist Israeli Hollywood does that and associate all Italians and African Americans with crime.
Glory for what,lol your nato politicians icons also part of them
They get romanticized a lot in romance novels too.
My god protect the prosecutor that's spent his life on fighting the Mafia.
DW is one of the best producer of current documentaries.
Free on TH-cam & in a league of their own.
DW better then netflix
It's really unfortunate what the Mafia has done to the region. My grandfather left Calabria in the early 1970s because the mafia were heavily extorting his business. He has never gone back to visit old family members and doesn't talk about his time there in his early years. I was curious and asked him about it when I was a little boy, but I know it brings pain to him to relive those days so I don't bring it up anymore :(
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this is sad
its very sad, it pains him because those lands had his parents and grandparents walking and living on that land.
its a part of a person and painful to leave and to leave without your own choice is even more painful
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Where he s gone after that? Australia?
The prosecutor is really one of the bravest men in our era
Real hero only fear God, not men. Keep fighting and place those demons in hell where they belong.
The bravest people are common normal people who live in alqeda countries,yet have no support.I was poisoned and my things stolen by an alqeda doctor.Till now nothing can be done.
@@notsure7046 We need both.
For real i seen in one documentary bombed 1 guy they were after can't remember where in italy
@@litereporttv303 you talking about Giovanni Falcone maybe?
I'm italian and I'm not joking when I'm saying that Gratteri si my hero !!
He is also my hero
Veramente il mondo sta ascoltando un grande personaggio
Perfetto
He's a hero but he's with the state which also kills people and has created the conditions in which created all mafia organisations.
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Thank you so much, we're happy to hear you like our content :)
how much did DW paied you
they didnt make this documentary they just bought it
@@healthccar9033 they haven’t 😅, i wish
@@liars6495 whatever, still their selected documentaries (bought or not) are really good
congratulations for these man who has the courage to fight the mafia with the risk of loosing their own life
We're all in debt to them
And to allow the next gang to take over.
Need to stop the demand
@@julianshepherd2038 or regulate it
hats off! unreal service
@@zappertxt as an ex addict I agree.
That dude's got some spine! 30 years... Awesome.
Sostituto Procuratore Sir Gratteri is not your " dude "
These documentaries are just on another level. Brava DW!
Donuts a beast !!
DW you mean
@@DETSRC313 that too! 😂
@@DETSRC313 yeah I didn't realize that lol! Ty
i agree so good it shouldnt be free
DW documentaries are best and they have very engaging narrative
Agreed. They seem politically neutral in what they post.
Simply presenting the facts.
Just how the media was before Reuters started controlling the narrative.
Literally
@@dermotmccorkell663 German power 😁
Also some documentary are baised
@@dermotmccorkell663 you are lost!
these broadcast is payed by the german far left gov.
to do their narrative.....
and this is the same asit is at your home!
"blame everyone but not yourself!"
nowadays i think the italian mafia is not our biggest problem!
This is the kind of documentary should be released on the web.
I met this man 3 years ago at Lamezia Terme airport. Great man. He writes good books too. We need 1000 persons like him here in Italy. Anyone who wants to understand ‘ndrangheta , has to read his books.
Where? And are they translated?
Being a lawyer myself ,,hats off to the public prosecutor !!! 💚💚💚💐💐💐
Father tried to kill son, when he decided to quit ’Ndrangheta' . They are made to eat raw flesh. we hear these things in barbarian world, but is happening in civilized society.
made to eat raw flesh? why not up the ante and snort "ashes" of a "godfather" instead?
David Michael - There is NO CIVILIZED SOCIETY in this WHOLE WORLD that we live in. We are ALL EQUAL in the EYES OF THE LORD.
PERIOD. Simple as that. OK?👈
Criminals are degenerates
Its like watch zerozerozero movies but in reality
@@ChickenMcThiccken Its to get them used to death blood etc
The prosecutor is a true superhero.
DW documentaries are of high quality and can't believe they are for free.
it's not for free it's paid by Tax :-) but it's good value you get
Free? U are the client
There's nothing in this world that is free
25 years ago it was all phönix. occult bird. nöw itz all arte (kalendaryll #?) and well the waif?
@@mcseedat You meant to say "you are the product", but aren't even smart enough to do that. Thanks for the advice.
Thank you DW. Cheer from italy..
Am glad that guys document this 🙏🏽, its crazy hope they get justice ⚖
DW Documentaries have become my go-to for all things humans have to offer!
Don't give up, we have same evilness in Mexico
God Bless you, there are good Italians that love their country
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In Argentina we had a president member of the Macrí family, with bloodline ties to the Ndrangheta.
And now you have a freaking socialist puppet from the Kirchner family. Congratulations Argentina! You guys will sink even more !
@@mctevez2654 lol
@@zappertxt
Don’t worry, he is a brainwashed capitalist
That's crazy though not sure on the politics there, but if its true imagine the shady buisness that was going on behind the scenes
all world, a colombian general of the army was a Mancuso family, but they found them speak with clans and leave him from the army
Thank you for really taking up the task of helping all of our societies. I hope for the best for all of you and everyone else who is taking part in helping around the world.
Government and mafia are synonymous. Last week the entire Italian parliament tried to deliver a law that puts a deadline to all the trials in tribunals (including mafia trials) : If a trial lasts more than couple of years then the trial falls and the defendants won’t be judged and victims won’t see any justice! Mr Gratteri criticised this law and all the mass media don’t say a word except few exceptions.
What happened
I come from Italy, you made a great documentary, it’s really well done
Greetings, Antonio, and thanks for watching!
Pepe Orsini ?
I think we can all agree that was a good quality documentary.
Good job DW.
Thank you, @Christos Magkafas, for watching!
I m regular watcher ... It's really nice to see DW documentary ❤️❤️
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It’s amazing that prosecutor is still alive
I'm curious if he'll survive the trial or post trial
He's heavily protected. The italian military acts as his bodyguards.
Mafia nowadays rarely attacks public officials, it draws too much attention to them.
@@varunrajesh6516 I would’ve thought the military would be as corrupt as everything else ? Giving the mafia tip offs to when to attack?
Seriously that guy is a hero for giving up a normal life to bring down the mafia
What a documentary!Well documented and lively. Congratulations DW
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
55 billion USD annually !?! first that means that they're getting top notch help within the system, second also means that it's gonna take more than a few uncorrupt cops/prosecutors/judges to take them down.
They literally can finance the whole police department,,,and own it..
Yes, it is out of this world. You have to consider that 'Ndrangheta is only one of the biggest mafias in Italy (there is Cosa Nostra, Camorra, Società Foggiana, Sacra Corona Unita, Mafia Zingara of Rome). So if you sum up their revenues all together you have an amount of money that could be comparable to the GDP of some western countries. But if you listen to politicians, mafia seems to be non-existing. It seems to appear only when a civilian gets killed by mistake. But mafia is more dangerous and rich than ever. It is spread all over the world. Many ndrangheta families have members in Canada because it is easier to clean dirty money or in North Europe where they control the biggest ports in Europe like Rotterdam and Antwerp. That's such a shame for Italy, such a beutiful country with beautiful people but with so many problems...
Obviously they are connected to very high profile people.
As they say in the 00:23:00 mark - The mafias assets are predicted to be around 3 Trillion €
@@Aiamnobody ndrageta et mafia albanais sont au meme niveau ils ont tou acheter 200.000 douanier en europe travaille seulement pour la ndrangeta et mafia albanais chacun ce ces organisation est compose plus 70.000 membre et des revenu qui depasse 70 milliard d euro chaque annee p
It’s such a shame that beautiful areas like this should live under such a shroud.
Dw is world best documentary. Keep it up!
Hi @igbo George, thank you :)
Nothing to do with the piece - which was fantastic - but the channel. You guys are doing a great job with this. Straight to the point reporting. Keep it up!
DW you guys do the best documentaries.. 👍
A journalist to prosecutor Nicola Gratteri:
"you are one of the worst enemy of mafia, aren't you afraid for yor life?"
Gratteri:
"even if i had to die tomorrow it wouldn't be a problem, i lived long enough and i lived well".
This guy got more balls than a tennis fucking club. RESPECT
What guts mr prosecutor. The world has some order because of rare brave people lie you.
I love DW. Such a huge repository of knowledge.
Brilliant stuff. Keep up the good work
I love watching DW documentary
My utmost gratitude for your unbiased and always reliable work.
DW, thank you so much.
This man has balls of steel. He is just somebody to admire. Brave man.
There was another Maxi trial of a similar type (1986-1992) against the Sicilian Mafia: Cosa Nostra. A whole prison to be reconstructed into a courthouse and trial began. All the Mafiosi could easily be controlled and bought into the courtroom as it was within the Prison complex. More than 300 Mafiosi were convicted to over 2000 years in prison.
The two prosecutors who led it Giovanni Falcone and Paolo Borsellino were assassinated as the duo meticulously and tirelessly tried the Mafiosi and bring them down. The whole event was videographed.
The two prosecutors are hailed as national heroes today.
shit this prosecutor brought down thousands of mafia guys. what an achievement
Great One DW 👍
First thirty seconds in and they can be describing politicians...
Really makes you think
What if he is a Muslim,what if I am? 😲
Same all same all, the world over.
@@paulalexandermanley6479 Yep, all filthy liars and some really evil masons or do the bidding of the masons/stay quiet on the evil plans, spoken behind closed doors. Look how the federal reserve people invented an arm of language called - Fedspeak (1984 had doublespeak, its the same premise) probably borrowed from the book 1984.
Very educated and enlightening documentary.
I hope and pray these Mafias will be able to be taking down
You are fortunate enough to get the service of such a bravest prosecutor May you live longer n God bless you n protect you sir,regards fm Srilanka.
Luigi: gives important insider infos and risks his life for this
DW Cameraman: let's zoom deep into his eyes
Thank you to all the brave people that fight against these criminals...you are real heroes.
Mafia isn't criminal they deal with business people if they don't do perfectly they kill them or if they disrespect them they gonna do cruel things but now it has become more that's it ( it's my personal opinion)🙂
I m italian and I m from Veneto region,when me and my son go in Calabria region for holiday we feel like in another country,there is an incredible silence and it is full of affiliates to the N'dranghetabut We love the sea,food and forests,the prices,hystory..
si ma per fortuna non siamo tutti così c'è tanta brava gente in calabria
@@lucky-yx8xy certamente come dappertutto!!Anzi il calabrese è tosto di suo,adoro quella terra!
I was researching my roots & found out this area is where my great great came from. What a time to research it yikes! I was thinking peaceful farming & wine
Much love and prayers to the angel of justice Mr. Gratteri.
Mr Gratteri big respect for you man...God bless you and your family 🙏🙏From Albania 🇦🇱🇦🇱
🇦🇱🤝🇮🇹💪💪🫡
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I have been living in a war zone for years. can say not as dangerous living in a city where people are surrounded by mafias. The mafias are too systematic and that's what makes it difficult to live if one is targeted.
I love DW Documentary
I feel so sorry for Maria's brother, I can feel his pain
The 'Ndrangetha is very sophisticated now, working along with the Sicilian mafia and the LCN in America, not to mention their connections in South America, Asia and Africa. Cracking these guys are going to be tough, with their organization based heavily on family members. DW is one of my favorite documentary channels constantly bringing great content, and this right here is of the best.
@@andreafomasidirector La Cosa Nostra=L C N
@@andreafomasidirector Si
@@andreafomasidirector It's not LCN it's just Cosa Nostra. The reason why the public call them LCN is because the FBI call them that but La cosa nostra doesn't make sense.
Cosa Nostra and Sicilian mafia is a single thing.
@@AgenteET786 The LCN in the USA is different, it's origin is different from the Sicilian Mafia in Italy/Sicily. Sure...they have strong relations and ties, but the LCN in the USA is different, from it's historical origins and even from the the people they have inside of it. In the LCN in the USA all you have to be is Italian or at least have an Italian father whose family can be tied to Italy. This is not the same in the Sicilian Mafia for example.
Greatly appreciate the work of Gratteri. More needs to be done globally to break up all Mafias and organised crime.
Exactly, especially through transit countries in South East Asia
Very good material
I love this man. I am very grateful for his work. I don't know why they cannot team up with special forces here in America or elsewhere and get this over with. I think they should be treated like terrorists because they are undermining entire nations and Families
You know, they are searched world wide. But it's not easy to spot them. If it was enough just sending some troops,there wouldn't be the problem
YoYou americans think you have power everywhere. You mean well, but you are so self centered and ignorant of the eorld that it is atrocious
@@912324 la ndrangheta é molto piu potente dell italia come paese, detto proprio semplicemnte, se viene "sconfitta" il pil scende, quando fecero la legge per la legalizazzione della marijuana fu buttata giu 4 giorni dopo , queste cose si vedono solo in italia proprio perche ce la mafia ed ha un potere sul suo paese diverso agli altri, manco in sud america erano cosí intersecati nella politica, proprio perche la funzionava per guadagno, ma qui per famiglia o raccomandazioni di famiglia in famiglia, cé un omertá che negli altri posti non esiste, neanche il concetto perche lo abbiamo inventato noi italiani, pensa che le prime elezioni politicje sciolte per mafia a reggio calabria sono nel 1890
@@tubarao1143 Spot on 🎯🎯🙂👌👍👍 They are truly of a small city church-goers mentallity. Very narrow-minded. And very ignorant. Well intended yes. But his goods intentions ends in catastrophe like in Irak Afganistan etc (and there there weren't good intentions by the way) They swallow anything. They are very gullyble like any ignorant body. Let's hope the evolve and become more fully civiliced
the mafia has always been a business and military partner of the CIA for decades until the 1990s so.. you know...
the problem is that people abroad have a quite superficial and naive view of what the mafia is... you think it is a local criminal gang killing people here, while it is really an organized business and military arm with trillions of cash at their disposal infiltrated in every political, judiciary, military, masonic and secret service organization around the world, maintaining order on behalf of many nations' secret services. Mafia has done the dirty job of the CIA in several occasions, for instance. This is what mafia is... better to grow up and face the truth. The mafia commands the "special forces", that is the whole point.
Why do you think they have never be caught? because the ones supposed to catch them are colluded and affiliated to them (and take orders from them)
Hunting down mafia is not bad but when mafia decides to hunt you down its always bad.
Woke up this morning got yourself a gun 🎵
Great documentary 💯 🍿
The destruction of Italy is brutally Assured: The level of Criminality is now so prevalent, embedded in every aspect of government and society- that It begs the question of collective sanity. Prosecutor Nicole G is a mammoth presence of rationality and perseverance. I hope the cleaning up of the entire nation is possible. 🎬🦖☄
this is only a stupid stereotype which is far from the reality.
In Usa the murder rate is 5 people killed every 100.000 people every year, in Germany is 1 and in Italy 0,8.
The number of crimes is declining year after, so Italy is a very safe country also for european standards. Yes there is still a problem with organized crime but its far less dangerous than in the past.
@@marcus2251 it's organized so its less.. because everyone knows it's business. Its worst, because it has penetrated to the deepest level and normalised.. that is the biggest issue not the numbers or stats.
@@akashk4270 Spot on!
It's the same in London and various parts of the UK. Paris ain't so great either....
Addirittura! Ennamiseria
Gratteri is a national hero
These people and better witness protection programs are just what southern Italy regions need, if nothing changes there, the communities will struggle for many more decades. The worst part, if you want to open a business and provide the community at what you do best, you will still have to pay your shares to the mafia, and if you don't they will make you by threatening, causing fire, destructing property. What Nicola Gratteri is doing is very important for the people.
I am from southern Italy, from the Campania region and what you say is not entirely true.
the "mafia" is there but today it won't burn your shops if you don't pay for them, simply because they have other businesses with which they earn a lot more ... I live in a small town of thirteen thousand people and the most dangerous thing that happens is old folks play cards and get angry when they lose.
And so it is in all the towns of southern Italy, only in the big cities is there petty crime, as well as in the rest of the world.
Everyone is praising this guy for doing his job. I agree. I don't see any comments about how and why criminality is happening in the first place!!! This is not just Italy, is an entire European Union! Good job guys for letting this happen!
Thank you for the report. Please don’t forget to put names through caption.
It's hard to believe some of the things that happen in plain sight..
Very touching story. We all have a purpose to stand for what is right no matter the consequences
it would be great to also have a followup or spinoff video on the maxi process itself, even tho i understand how difficult that would be to produce, to understand and to explain to not informed viewers
A very very very good point 🙂🎯👌👌that would be following the history to the end. The right thing to do 👍👍👍
The profound of one loosing a sister in an unexpected departure.I wouldn't wanna visit such place it's scary.
Bravo and God bless all the good people who keeps fighting the criminals and it doesn't matter if you are police , army , government official or just an ordinary citizen . Thanks to people like that our planet still 'keeps spinning" . I wish you all courage and long healthy , happy lives . And I hope less and less young boys get involved in mafia .
This man is a HERO
Mr. Gratteri thank you for all your efforts
I visited my aunt in that area twice. Beautiful region, I didn’t know how bad is the ‘ndragueta Problem there.
This is nothing compared to what happens in Mexico.... At least its nice to see law works in some countries.
That is saddening to know.
Mexico is a lost cause
That's because Mexico is a failed state.
Because Mexicans cartel are too much violent for nothing, today the Italian mafia is inside wall street, the idea of the mafia man that shoot in stret is an old and wrong imagine. In Mexico are not evoluted yet like this.
@@edoardodi23 Obviously the money of the Mexican maffia is also in Wall street. I think the big difference is poverty. Poverty makes the Mexican problem much much more acute than that of italy
Ainda bem que existe pessoas como este homem que investigou é conseguiu dar um início numa questão tão importante. Que Deus o proteja.
Durante tudo isso fiquei pensando no Rio, e sobre como seria bom se houvessem juízes e promotores assim lá também.
Amen
📽📽 Great documentary and very touching sad 😟😔☹😢 what happend to these people and scary 😨😨😱 too can you make more videos 📽🎥🎥 about Italy food culture
One issue is the existence of tax havens around the world. These should be ended completely. They are not only in small countries like Cyprus, Grand Cayman, etc., but also advanced countries like the US and UK. One reason the price of real estate in cities like New York and London is so high is that money from organized crime or looted from developing countries is used to buy it up. If you show up in a bank to open a bank account in the US with $3,000 in cash, the bank has to report it. If you buy a beachfront property in Palm Beach, a Park Avenue penthouse, or a flat in Kensington, there are essentially no obligations to report the source of the funds used.
Not like the romanticised version of Vicenzo (kdrama) or those interviews with the mafia. What the lawyer is doing is really dangerous but for the betterment of society. He is the real hero here.
Yeah it's just kinda funny drama, in reality its dangerous and creepy 🤦♀️😭
An incredibly courageous man, to say the very least.
Well done👏👏
Heroes !!!! Salutes from Brazil.
Brazil has the same problem, unfortunately here there will be no solution anytime soon.
I prefer DW docs over VICE docs.
Anyone else only watch TH-cam and it's free quality content?. :)
It says „Teil des öffentlich rechtlichen rundfunk“ that means it’s German State News in Germany everyone has to pay 30€ a month to them not free for us sadly
This prosecutor is a hero! Bravo and he’s not alone there are loads of people who feel absolute disgust towards the gangs!!! Bravo
It would be nice to have an update now
They decided that state did not collaborate with mafia. The trial is final and now it cannot be repeated.
@@GiovannaIwishyou how many people were charged?
Great Doc unfortunately is not saying that the government is not helping that much Gratteri. Like Giovanni Falcone in the past same story!
A Real man dont steal and standover honest hardworking men.
Taxpayers employ criminals to do their dirty work. Is their own problem
Once again we are indebted to Deutsche Welle funded by the German tax system for their superb reporting and filming tackling some of the most difficult issues facing humanity today. Respect!!
Brave man. Reminiscent of Judges Borsellini and Falcone from Sicily.
When I was a little kid I was enchanted by the glamour of the mafia. Nowadays, I understand how stupid I was.
stop chasing them with lawsuits. just eliminate all of them
need ROBOCOPs for that
Yeah..what you mention is the only answer
My goodness that's a courtroom
Numbers given after 22:00 are mind blowing
I hope they get the ending they deserve, especially Luigi and his family
That sounds like a mafioso threat.
@@dungeonfrek Yeah 😁😁 it's somewhow paradoxicall and funny at the time