@@caljucotcas: Not “sadly “. Happily. She is better off as a diving attraction and artificial reef than she is being cut up for scrap, which is now the only other viable option. At least she will remain intact on the ocean floor for decades.
RMS Queen Mary deserves respect and got it. SS United States also does. Will its namesake honour that situation? As last resort I can only hope that the US Government will act as it should. This vessel is way more than an ordinary ship. She was the workbench for modern hydrodinamics and powerplant technology. No vessel has been faster than her yet... I mean no real ship, 300 meters long and 60.000 metric tons ship. Should be a matter of NATIONAL PRIDE! Forgive me please if my bad English is not good enough to express my concern. Greetings from Brazil.
The Queen was a fully intact ship that came to California under it's own power. This thing is a dilapidated shell stripped of literally everything. Huge difference.
@@rcpsammy7186 Yes, I hear you but remember, the I think QM didn't have to be completely stripped of asbestos. The Big U is stripped of asbestos, so, an investor is starting from the ground up, at least. At it's most basic level, it floating real estate. I'm quite sure hotel accom in New York isn't cheap. But remember, this is from the nation that doesn't have high speed trains even though it would be better for them. Because there's a lack of vision and an abundance of fat cats scratching each others backs to stop that benefit from coming true.
I am sad to say it, but that’s probably true. I would infinitely prefer it if they would preserve the past, as I believe this ship deserves to be preserved. It was the peak of American maritime engineering, and it still is.
It’s not going to happen. If anyone had the interest and funds it would have been done by now. Time to let her go. If they made a reef out of her, she would be serving a purpose other than just rotting away.
A cruise line wanted to pay to make her operational. But she can't pass current safety and technical standards or be made to do so. The cruise line paid to support her preservation for a while. But I think that has stopped. This ship holds the trans-Atlantic crossing in the shortest period of time. I think that It could and should be converted into a hotel as other ships have been.
tow it to caribbean & tie it & anchor it in a storm safe bay. Paying one person a salary to keep the bilge’s dry would be not even comparable to the cost of where it’s docked. As far as tow fee, would probably cost 6 months of what they’ve been paying in rent.
@@PTKAI_boiCC50 That's a warship which saw participation in a war in which a battleship was absolute. For a comparison a more proper one would be the Hikawa Maru or maybe a ship of significance that's a warship being the Mikasa.
The ship basically died when her interiors were gutted in the 80s. After the asbestos was removed her interior should have been put back intact. Then it could have been turned into a hotel like the Queen Mary. Now it almost looks hopeless unless you could re-create the original interiors
True, but she doesn't have her former glory. Her interior fitting of oak, marble, fine rugs and brass are all gone. After World War II ended, commercial air transport took off, and spelled and end for ocean transport (as well as trains). Repurposing her would be impractical due to maintaince costs. There's really no future for the ship. By sinking instead of scrapping her, she at least will have a final mission: to become part of an underwater reef, attract all sorts of marine life, and become an exciting SCUBA diving destination (thus benefiting the local seaside economy such as hotels, restaurants, diving shops, etc.).
if she was americas flag ship, then why is she in such poor condition? Unlike i dont know.. USS Texas, USS North Carolina, USS Alabama, USS Massachussets, USS Iowa, USS New Jersey, USS Missouri or USS Wisconsin
This made me tear up. It's just not right. She is OUR flagship, and they have just allowed her to rot. Nothing against the Queen Mary, but she isn't even our ship. She belongs in England. Yet she has been kept in quite decent condition and continues to be used while The Big U is pushed aside, abandoned, and condemned? In a way, she has been a perfect representation of the decline of her country. All the way from the Golden Age to current times. She's like an omen...a foreshadowing of the ever declining and eventual fall of the US empire. 😢
How very sad that the greatest country on the face of the earth would allow this to happen. But then if our Democracy fails, this would be the crowning touch. "For what avail the plow or sail, or land or life if freedom fail?"
My thoughts exactly. This ship;p should have been kept under the auspices of the US Navy and preserved. We certainly have plenty of money for proxy wars all around the world!
Well, first, we don’t have a democracy. The USA is a constitutional republic. Nowhere in any of our founding documents is, “democracy,” mentioned, other than in the Federalist Papers, where it’s explicitly stated that democracy should be avoided at all cost. Second, this ship is of private enterprise. The greatest country on earth didn’t allow this to happen. Her demise is due to aircraft replacing ocean liners in the trans Atlantic route. She ought to be scuttled off the coast to serve the next 100+ years as an artificial reef and marine sanctuary
@@Yellow-g2w apparently the landlord of the pier has denied the moving of the SS. United states, and they can't move it because there's a bridge that it can't fit under
When I was in Philadelphia a few years back, I wanted to go to IKEA just to see her. IKEA's restaurant and parking lot provides some good views of the ship I hear. I certainly hope she is restored, but making the ship into an artifcial reef wkuld be better than seeing it scrapped. It's been abandoned and derelect for so long, I dont know if it's able to be restored anymore, if so, it should he done soon. I don't imagine it can last much long just sitting there. I dont know if that water is brackish or fresh there, but either way it must be taking a toll on the ship after so many years.
It’s sister ship SS America was saved from scrapping after being abandoned but suffered a fate of washing up on a beach and becoming a shipwreck, crazy how this ship is almost going down the same path
There's a problem with this video, Considering as of 7-25-2024 the ship is still in Philadelphia's at Pier 82, The ships current owners and the pier managers are in court suing each other. and $500,000 has been raised so far on her behalf.
The SS United States is a very important cruise liner and I hope one day we can see her as a floating hotel or something at some point but if they sank that ship everyone would be very upset.
1.exotic fine dining restaurants 2. 2 or 3 star hotel 3.Salsa Club 4.dance club 5.museum ship 6.sauna 7.Conference and expositions room 7.1.Merchandising store 8.periodical tours for crossing the Atlantic Ocean 9.(If it’s properly restored) World Tour or Antarctic Tour(Fred Olsens small cruises do it,in fact,many small cruise ship do it,but u have to know how to sell it to people). 10.restored and put alongside USS Intrepid in Manhattan NY as a museum ship to make some profit (FASTEST SHIP IN THE WORLD). 11.Former cinema can be converted into small Teather.
If they do have to sink her then I will create an angry mob against that landlord and it'll be like the one from the simpsons movie and the same purpose of the mob but it's not against homer
To be honest, that is the most realistic looking way the SS united states would sink if they made her go down slowly!! It would be upsetting but its better than being scrapped! But i hope someone finds a way to help before her time will come! Would you do a Titanic, Queen Mary, Lusitania and SS united states cruising together type video? That would be emotional to watch.
While being sunk as a reef would be better than being cut-up for scrap, It’s still the lesser of two evils. There’s a pro & a con to her sinking: Pro- She would still be in one piece, albeit sunk.. Con- Depending on where she would come to rest, Skilled divers would be required (And not everyone in the world is that skilled..) If you want my honest opinion, The decision of museum preservation should’ve been made in the early 1980s once the U.S. Navy declassified her. Her interior auctions in 1984 pretty much robbed her of that second life. Queen Mary was the more lucky because she was bought outright by Long Beach before being decommissioned. If the same notion had occurred with the United States then she would’ve already been preserved & her story would also be well known..like QM.
I said years ago, forget restoration, its just too much work and money, pull her up on land build a cradle to hold it and let people see her as she is! buffs from all over the world would pay to see and explore her and much more people would be interested in her as she is instead of a hotell and resort that so many couldnt afford.
Sinking her would be a terrible idea in my opinion. Not only we would lose a historic landmark, but it would also be wasted potential for an iconic vessel. If someone purchases it and puts the time and money necessary to restore to its former glory. Think of the possibilities for this vessel if its restored. Idea 1: Museum Ship and Hotel similar to what they did with the RMS Queen Mary. Idea 2: Use it for office space. Idea 3: just convert the vessel into a five-star floating hotel like what that one company out in Thailand was originally going to do for its sister ship the SS America. Idea 4: restore the vessel into working order and use it for heritage voyages. Or maybe use it as a university at sea. Idea 5: A floating casino.
A very moving clip,it would be such a shame for one of the last classic superliners to meet a watery grave on the ocean floor,she deserves much better than that.😢😢😢
It would be a sad day when they have to reef the liner. It would be double if the cutters torch has to be used to scrap it. Hoping a better solution comes soon though it looks like the sun is setting on the rest of this old liner's days.
I don’t really know since the SS United States is an important vessel. Would it be better to see her on the bottom of the ocean or somehow be able to restore her to act as a floating hotel, a museum, casino or have her restored to working order for heritage voyages. Honestly, I don’t know.
@@Dbodell8000 they would because it would be a boys club of friends with money who would want their names on plaques. These people would act as if they were some Roman Legion General. Fame money glamour and most importantly more money for them all.
While the idea of turning the SS United States into a reef isn't cool, It is something we need to consider. How long have people been trying to preserve her. I seen her myself up close, and she is a remarkable ship, and should be preserved. But we can't save every ship. If the government, or someone with money, and a great idea, can't save her, then turn her into a reef. It will continue to serve us and be with us. It will also be better than scrapping her.
It would be a loss for sure, but if they did scuttle her, it would be a controlled sinking and she'd go to the bottom upright hopefully on a pretty bright sunlit day. But man, what a diver's paradise she'd be!
They should restore it and then make it a museum/hotel similar to the QM. The SSUS is americas flagship, and if they were to sink/scrap their own flagship it really wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of one of the largest pieces of history in America. I can’t imagine seeing it at the bottom of the ocean. If it does end up being sunk/scrapped, im definitely going to be there to see it if possible.
The answer we have been waiting for is YES. Not one president, branch of government, and hardly one citizen of the USA donated to save this ship. So we cannot be angry that Florida bought it to sink it.
Please I hope someone saves her… she is engineering marvel and a piece of our history who deserves respect. Just watching this had me almost in tears. I remember doing papers on this ship and projects on this ship all throughout highschool and college. Her becoming is truly a story in itself.
Agreed, but the QM came to its new owner intact. The United States was foolishly plunderer of all its fittings and the interior gutted. Now what do we do? Once it's gone it's hard to get it back maybe impossible.
@@1940limitedReason was the asbestos and the person who bought it wanting to sell anything of value to gain a quick buck before selling her to someone else.
@@1940limited I think she was used in WWII to transport. They refitted her for other purposes and all that was lost in an effort for her to help us win the war. She is a veteran.
If they do sink her i wanna be there to see her take her final breath but being honest she deserves so much more fucken respect then a watery grave shes americas flag ship ocean liner she was the best of the best she did her duty well thats why like the queen mary she deserves to be saved and preserved and not just another wreck laying on the bottom of the ocean too Florida she may just be another ship that can be sunk but to us shes the ship that so many have memories of being on senior citizens likely remember running along her decks as children playing around and just living out their youth to others it may be the place they called home while working on her and to those who didnt go on her or didnt get to experience her we were told tales of her greatness her sweeping luxurious décor and design and her speed where she could make the travel from new york to the uk in under 5 days and that shes the god damn SS UNITED STATES the fastest ship on the seas, there will likely never be a ship as fast as her ever again and they wanna sink her as if shes just some THING to be thrown away it absolutely disgusts me of how their treating her.
They need to restore this great ship . This famous Ship is a part of Maritime transport History & was once the pride of America's presence on the oceans .
hi from england, can't see why the US government doesn't step in. do they even know about it ? could be an atifical reef in Mexico bay.better than scrapping.
the most realiastic future of this ship is probably being turned into a artificial reef or most probably scrapped with the chance of this ship being saved is pretty low
I do not like how ships are sunk to make artificial reefs. They place and denote charges that result the in the ships bottom falling out and it just falls quickly under the surface. Very under whelming. If they place a single charge up by the bow, we might get longer dramatic sinking with the stern sticking out. But the demolition crew don't care about dramatic effect or making art, they just want to get the job done quickly.
@@christiandpaul2022 The S.S. United States was built by Cunard Lines with secret design and financial assistance from the U.S. Navy. Publicly, she was built as an ocean liner which would be the only service she ever provided. Secretly, she was built for use as a troop ship should the need arise. That is why she has an extra thick and extra strong hull and an all metal construction. She has two engine rooms, one fore and one aft, and water tight bulkheads extending from the keep to the top decks. No wood was used in her construction, in fact the only wood allowed on the ship was one grand piano which to be proven could not burn, and the butcher blocks used in the kitchens. She was stripped some time after being removed from service, because asbestos was used throughout the ship in construction. She was towed to Turkey for the stripping process, then towed back. A variety of private owners have various parts of her former interior.
@@MarkWick Thanks! (I'm sure removal of the asbestos cost a fortune. It's a shame they go no further. She would not be usable as a cruse ship as she is too small by todays standards but some of those year long high luxury cruses may be able to use her as I think they carry fewer passengers and it would cater very closely to the people they carry as they pay 50,000 to 100,000 dollars for the trip.)
But it’s better than scrapping. Because when you sink it, you can still go and see the ship. But I’d rather have the ship saved, it it doesn’t, then sinking it is the best way so it can still be with us
Well first off I am sure they plan on sinking her upright the way they did the Oriskany it would make for a much better and safer wreck dive It would be pretty easy to do considering it is a 1000 feet long and the water it will be sunk in will be less than 200 feet , you could flood the stern enough to get it to settle on the bottom with at least half of the ship still above the surface . Once o the bottom then you just slowly pump water into the bow, just enough to get it to slowly sink I suspect they will remove the funnels and mast so that it can be sunk in shallow enough water so that the upper superstructure (the white part) will be within 30 to 100 feet of the surface. well within the limits of your average PADI AOW diver on regular air
Will they sink the USS America probably military will probably use it as a target ship it is a pity, even if the titanic was still around today, which it probably wouldn’t because even if it didn’t sink because you have to look at history because the Olympic. Was even eventually scrapped, and that was the sister ship of the titanic
@@uweschmidt6052 yes, I don’t know why they scrapped Olympic, but they did manage to save and preserve one of the tenders that’s in England right now that used to Service the Titanic by running passengers out to her when she couldn’t come into docking
This is such a sad video to watch. Why is this ship so important?? It was only the most technologically advanced, and fastest ocean liner in the world! It was the very best that could be designed at the time, and truly is a 'timeless' design that could be refit and refurbished to serve us today. Here's a really good idea: why not allow each state to 'buy in' for fractural ownership of this iconic ship, then restore and refit it for use to help house some of the veterans from each state that are either homeless, or just need temporary assistance. The ship could also serve as a floating VA hospital ship, and serve the east coast helping veterans at each port of call that are scheduled for the specialized care that can be provided. This historic ship is as long as the Chrysler building is tall, so there would be plenty of room to house both a fully staffed modern medical center, and a place for veterans in need. Some of the veterans might need rehabilitation, recovery from mental stress and disorder, or might just use the ship to relocate to another part of the US to another state's port of call. Either way, this fine ship would still be with us, restored, commissioned, and be put to good use for the American people. Such a plan makes good sense, as the structure itself would not have to be built. The ship itself is available already, it only requires funding for insightful renovation and people with enough imagination and determination to make it all possible. PJM
If the SS United States is sunk, America would become more of a joke than a proud nation: the ship's essentially the embodiment of the American identity. I mean, it's even beaten the Queen Mary's own record for goodness sake
This is a huge problem with what to do with these icons of the sea ,Queen Mary has been dogged with financial difficulties for year's, i don't know the answer that would put her future on a sure footing but i certainly don't like the idea of sinking her,she's a record breaker,and talking of record breakers i have a great photo of Donald Campbell and his daughter sat on Bluebird on board the S.S.United States en route to America in June 1957. I suppose we can only hope that someone with deep pockets will come along soon and keep her in daylight because there isn't another one.
Queen Mary had her service life as both ocean liner and troop ship to help her as well as having many of her interior saved not like United States that had them gutted out cause of the asbestos and cause the at the time owner wanting to make a quick buck by selling everything of value they could before selling her to someone else.
The ship shouldn't be sunk in my opinion i may be a brit i think she deserves a chance at preservation like queen Mary but sinking her to be a reef is just wrong.
I thought about this when they said they had to move her. Why not sink her for divers and for a reef. Like the starship enterprise instead of being decommissioned Kirk blew her up to save the lives of the others.
Sinking her to make an artificial reef is blasphemous. She is more important to the US than the RMS Queen Mary. I love the Mary, but the SS United States deserves the same fate. We already lost her sister, SS America: th-cam.com/video/urOcRYR3D1w/w-d-xo.html ; So, she must be saved!
Let's just hope that never happens, that and the idea of her getting scrapped. A life as a floating hotel and museum at I don't care where is perfect for America's flagship.
Tbh dont get why people want this instead of the entire hotel thing, i dont wanna see a depressing wreck falling apart while it can easily be a nice hotel to stay at
They missed their chance when casino gambling came to Pennsylvania. If the association or other casino company had got a license for the ship it may have been possible to afford to upgrade the ship to a hotel-casino project. With the condition the ship is in now it would not be an easy thing to just make it a floating hotel. The association is having a hard time just getting the funding to move the ship to a new berth. Especially with today’s high interest to finance projects it makes it even harder to justify rebuilding the ship to just become a floating hotel. Not to mention it would have to move from where it is to a reasonable area with good tourism and possible convention business. So while I hate to see such a historic ship be lost, it most likely would be best to tow it out to see and sink it as a reef. At least that way divers could still visit the historic ship and it would provide a place for fish to prosper.
It's either that or she'll most likely be scrapped. So sinking her as an artificial reef is definitely the lesser of the two evils as she'll be around for decades to come. And will become a home for multiple kinds of marine life.
Well. Looks like the answer may be yes 😭
Sadly yes :(
Indeed😞😞
@@caljucotcas: Not “sadly “. Happily.
She is better off as a diving attraction and artificial reef than she is being cut up for scrap, which is now the only other viable option. At least she will remain intact on the ocean floor for decades.
@@timonsolus I hate you.
Of course the answer is yes.
RMS Queen Mary deserves respect and got it.
SS United States also does.
Will its namesake honour that situation?
As last resort I can only hope that the US Government will act as it should.
This vessel is way more than an ordinary ship.
She was the workbench for modern hydrodinamics and powerplant technology.
No vessel has been faster than her yet...
I mean no real ship, 300 meters long and 60.000 metric tons ship.
Should be a matter of NATIONAL PRIDE!
Forgive me please if my bad English is not good enough to express my concern.
Greetings from Brazil.
I agree with you 100%
The Queen was a fully intact ship that came to California under it's own power.
This thing is a dilapidated shell stripped of literally everything.
Huge difference.
Too bad it's gutted, not feasible to fix, everybody keeps spending money on Titanic
@@rcpsammy7186 Yes, I hear you but remember, the I think QM didn't have to be completely stripped of asbestos. The Big U is stripped of asbestos, so, an investor is starting from the ground up, at least. At it's most basic level, it floating real estate. I'm quite sure hotel accom in New York isn't cheap. But remember, this is from the nation that doesn't have high speed trains even though it would be better for them. Because there's a lack of vision and an abundance of fat cats scratching each others backs to stop that benefit from coming true.
us government dont care about a legend, sadly
Much better fate than her getting scrapped
I am sad to say it, but that’s probably true. I would infinitely prefer it if they would preserve the past, as I believe this ship deserves to be preserved. It was the peak of American maritime engineering, and it still is.
Id keep her where she is
and protect her
Court ordered to move. So, not really an option. The conservancy doesn’t own the pier.
How dare u say that…..she needs to be saved and restored and put alongside the Uss Intrepid in Manhattan,will bring revenues…..
She deserves the respect and dignity of being preserved, and even becoming operational for limited excursions.
Got a cool billion laying around? Go for it.
It’s not going to happen. If anyone had the interest and funds it would have been done by now. Time to let her go. If they made a reef out of her, she would be serving a purpose other than just rotting away.
@rcpsammy7186 The US Government does, with all its free handouts. To the dregs of society overseas.
A cruise line wanted to pay to make her operational. But she can't pass current safety and technical standards or be made to do so. The cruise line paid to support her preservation for a while. But I think that has stopped. This ship holds the trans-Atlantic crossing in the shortest period of time. I think that It could and should be converted into a hotel as other ships have been.
tow it to caribbean & tie it & anchor it in a storm safe bay. Paying one person a salary to keep the bilge’s dry would be not even comparable to the cost of where it’s docked. As far as tow fee, would probably cost 6 months of what they’ve been paying in rent.
She's still America's Flagship, and still has a place in history as a marvel of engineering.
Wait, is it being sunk
if shes america's flagship
then why cant they get the money to restore it?
Ngl the Japanese took better care of they're own flagship
(Im talking about IJN Yamato
@@PTKAI_boiCC50 That's a warship which saw participation in a war in which a battleship was absolute.
For a comparison a more proper one would be the Hikawa Maru or maybe a ship of significance that's a warship being the Mikasa.
@@hardcasekara6409 I mean atleast the Yamato was taken care of better than the ss United States😔
The ship basically died when her interiors were gutted in the 80s. After the asbestos was removed her interior should have been put back intact. Then it could have been turned into a hotel like the Queen Mary. Now it almost looks hopeless unless you could re-create the original interiors
She’s Americas’s Flagship, holds a great place in history and in our hearts.❤
True, but she doesn't have her former glory. Her interior fitting of oak, marble, fine rugs and brass are all gone.
After World War II ended, commercial air transport took off, and spelled and end for ocean transport (as well as trains).
Repurposing her would be impractical due to maintaince costs.
There's really no future for the ship.
By sinking instead of scrapping her, she at least will have a final mission: to become part of an underwater reef, attract all sorts of marine life, and become an exciting SCUBA diving destination (thus benefiting the local seaside economy such as hotels, restaurants, diving shops, etc.).
@@Timbrock1000 That is very true
if she was americas flag ship, then why is she in such poor condition? Unlike i dont know.. USS Texas, USS North Carolina, USS Alabama, USS Massachussets, USS Iowa, USS New Jersey, USS Missouri or USS Wisconsin
@@Bowie525 you alsomost forgot uss zumwalt, and uss cleveland
Your mock-up looks in better shape than the real ship actually is.
This made me tear up. It's just not right. She is OUR flagship, and they have just allowed her to rot. Nothing against the Queen Mary, but she isn't even our ship. She belongs in England. Yet she has been kept in quite decent condition and continues to be used while The Big U is pushed aside, abandoned, and condemned? In a way, she has been a perfect representation of the decline of her country. All the way from the Golden Age to current times. She's like an omen...a foreshadowing of the ever declining and eventual fall of the US empire. 😢
Very good computer simulation but I hope to hell it never happens.
It might happen if Escambia County in Florida buys the ship. They are planning to scuttle the ship in the Gulf of Mexico.
It’s gonna happen
@@jamesholton2630 Disgusting!
How very sad that the greatest country on the face of the earth would allow this to happen. But then if our Democracy fails, this would be the crowning touch. "For what avail the plow or sail, or land or life if freedom fail?"
My thoughts exactly. This ship;p should have been kept under the auspices of the US Navy and preserved. We certainly have plenty of money for proxy wars all around the world!
Well, first, we don’t have a democracy. The USA is a constitutional republic. Nowhere in any of our founding documents is, “democracy,” mentioned, other than in the Federalist Papers, where it’s explicitly stated that democracy should be avoided at all cost.
Second, this ship is of private enterprise. The greatest country on earth didn’t allow this to happen. Her demise is due to aircraft replacing ocean liners in the trans Atlantic route.
She ought to be scuttled off the coast to serve the next 100+ years as an artificial reef and marine sanctuary
If, God Forbid, Trump and his clown circus get in, sink it on his inauguration day. Quite appropriate, esp since he turned his back on it.
Answer: Yes, they will.
Question: Am I dying inside?
Answer: Yes, I am.
I keep forgetting about this fate.
And I almost cried too.
I am dying inside.
I only have 2 subscribers.
And I want to end the likes.
@@Yellow-g2w apparently the landlord of the pier has denied the moving of the SS. United states, and they can't move it because there's a bridge that it can't fit under
@@Yellow-g2w the future is hopefully looking bright for the united states
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When I was in Philadelphia a few years back, I wanted to go to IKEA just to see her. IKEA's restaurant and parking lot provides some good views of the ship I hear. I certainly hope she is restored, but making the ship into an artifcial reef wkuld be better than seeing it scrapped. It's been abandoned and derelect for so long, I dont know if it's able to be restored anymore, if so, it should he done soon. I don't imagine it can last much long just sitting there. I dont know if that water is brackish or fresh there, but either way it must be taking a toll on the ship after so many years.
How close can you actually get?
It’s sister ship SS America was saved from scrapping after being abandoned but suffered a fate of washing up on a beach and becoming a shipwreck, crazy how this ship is almost going down the same path
By the way... yor work is getting better and better!
I like how you added the rust on her
There's a problem with this video, Considering as of 7-25-2024 the ship is still in Philadelphia's at Pier 82, The ships current owners and the pier managers are in court suing each other. and $500,000 has been raised so far on her behalf.
The SS United States is a very important cruise liner and I hope one day we can see her as a floating hotel or something at some point but if they sank that ship everyone would be very upset.
Yeah. She is the only surviving vessel of the United States line
1.exotic fine dining restaurants
2. 2 or 3 star hotel
3.Salsa Club
4.dance club
5.museum ship
6.sauna
7.Conference and expositions room
7.1.Merchandising store
8.periodical tours for crossing the Atlantic Ocean
9.(If it’s properly restored) World Tour or Antarctic Tour(Fred Olsens small cruises do it,in fact,many small cruise ship do it,but u have to know how to sell it to people).
10.restored and put alongside USS Intrepid in Manhattan NY as a museum ship to make some profit (FASTEST SHIP IN THE WORLD).
11.Former cinema can be converted into small Teather.
If they do have to sink her then I will create an angry mob against that landlord and it'll be like the one from the simpsons movie and the same purpose of the mob but it's not against homer
I don't udnerstand what the big deal is wit ht present landlord. Does he have another customer that wants that slip?
To be honest, that is the most realistic looking way the SS united states would sink if they made her go down slowly!! It would be upsetting but its better than being scrapped! But i hope someone finds a way to help before her time will come! Would you do a Titanic, Queen Mary, Lusitania and SS united states cruising together type video? That would be emotional to watch.
While being sunk as a reef would be better than being cut-up for scrap, It’s still the lesser of two evils. There’s a pro & a con to her sinking:
Pro- She would still be in one piece, albeit sunk..
Con- Depending on where she would come to rest, Skilled divers would be required (And not everyone in the world is that skilled..)
If you want my honest opinion, The decision of museum preservation should’ve been made in the early 1980s once the U.S. Navy declassified her. Her interior auctions in 1984 pretty much robbed her of that second life. Queen Mary was the more lucky because she was bought outright by Long Beach before being decommissioned. If the same notion had occurred with the United States then she would’ve already been preserved & her story would also be well known..like QM.
I agree.
Best place for her at this point. The breakers yard will be calling soon enough so make an artificial reef out of her hulk while we have the chance.
I said years ago, forget restoration, its just too much work and money, pull her up on land build a cradle to hold it and let people see her as she is! buffs from all over the world would pay to see and explore her and much more people would be interested in her as she is instead of a hotell and resort that so many couldnt afford.
Sinking her would be a terrible idea in my opinion. Not only we would lose a historic landmark, but it would also be wasted potential for an iconic vessel. If someone purchases it and puts the time and money necessary to restore to its former glory. Think of the possibilities for this vessel if its restored.
Idea 1: Museum Ship and Hotel similar to what they did with the RMS Queen Mary.
Idea 2: Use it for office space.
Idea 3: just convert the vessel into a five-star floating hotel like what that one company out in Thailand was originally going to do for its sister ship the SS America.
Idea 4: restore the vessel into working order and use it for heritage voyages. Or maybe use it as a university at sea.
Idea 5: A floating casino.
I heard it has been gutted. The ship would be nothing more than a gigantic money pit.
No one wants to spend for restoration Make it into a reef
Though a great idea, the Queen Mary is having problems staying open.
Ideas 2 and 5 sound blasphemous
Why don't people chip in and do a little at a time? Like how railroad museums do with restorations.
A very moving clip,it would be such a shame for one of the last classic superliners to meet a watery grave on the ocean floor,she deserves much better than that.😢😢😢
Better to become an artificial reef that marine life - and divers - can enjoy for years, if not decades to come, than to be scrapped.
It would be a sad day when they have to reef the liner. It would be double if the cutters torch has to be used to scrap it. Hoping a better solution comes soon though it looks like the sun is setting on the rest of this old liner's days.
I don’t really know since the SS United States is an important vessel.
Would it be better to see her on the bottom of the ocean or somehow be able to restore her to act as a floating hotel, a museum, casino or have her restored to working order for heritage voyages.
Honestly, I don’t know.
Im surprised some wealthy individual did not buy this ship.
Ich würde es kaufen und wieder orig. herrichten.
Hab leider kein Geld
They wouldn’t be wealthy for long if they spent it on that.
@@Dbodell8000 they would because it would be a boys club of friends with money who would want their names on plaques. These people would act as if they were some Roman Legion General. Fame money glamour and most importantly more money for them all.
0:41 pause here for secret message
While the idea of turning the SS United States into a reef isn't cool, It is something we need to consider. How long have people been trying to preserve her. I seen her myself up close, and she is a remarkable ship, and should be preserved. But we can't save every ship. If the government, or someone with money, and a great idea, can't save her, then turn her into a reef. It will continue to serve us and be with us. It will also be better than scrapping her.
The Queen Mary was a fully functioning liner with all her trimming when she sailed into Long Beach over 50 years ago.
It would be a loss for sure, but if they did scuttle her, it would be a controlled sinking and she'd go to the bottom upright hopefully on a pretty bright sunlit day. But man, what a diver's paradise she'd be!
I'm sorry, nothing saddens me. Scuttling happens all the time.
more importantly, a paradise for sea life!
may I ask which program you use to make your videos or your ship models?
I use Lumion 12 Pro for videos, and SketchUp for models
@@caljucotcas ah okay thanks SketchUp I have to take a look
This was quite an impressive simulation. The water effects especially so!
They should restore it and then make it a museum/hotel similar to the QM. The SSUS is americas flagship, and if they were to sink/scrap their own flagship it really wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of one of the largest pieces of history in America. I can’t imagine seeing it at the bottom of the ocean. If it does end up being sunk/scrapped, im definitely going to be there to see it if possible.
The answer we have been waiting for is YES. Not one president, branch of government, and hardly one citizen of the USA donated to save this ship. So we cannot be angry that Florida bought it to sink it.
I would save her! To many historic ships have been torn down and forgotten about. I would find a place and turn it into a museum.
I just heard on the news that before they sink it, they are going to remove the mast and the funnels. One of the funnels will be preserved.
Question after the old liner get who’s gonna protect the wreck from illegal scrappers
Before it will be sunk, they have planned to remove the funnels and the mast and preserve them in a future museum dedicated to the vessel
On October 1st they have announced that they are finally going to turn it into an artificial reef
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT WAS 1 DAY AGO AAAARGHMFAGLE!!!!
It will be sunk in 2026.
Please I hope someone saves her… she is engineering marvel and a piece of our history who deserves respect. Just watching this had me almost in tears. I remember doing papers on this ship and projects on this ship all throughout highschool and college. Her becoming is truly a story in itself.
I really hope not
It might happen if Escambia County in Florida buys the ship. They are planning to scuttle the ship in the Gulf of Mexico.
It sank like the Britannic (Olympic and Titanic sister ship.
I think they should restore her as a hotel like queen Mary, restoring her interiors and stuff
SSUS doesn't have any of her interiors anymore. She's just a hollow shell.
Agreed, but the QM came to its new owner intact. The United States was foolishly plunderer of all its fittings and the interior gutted. Now what do we do? Once it's gone it's hard to get it back maybe impossible.
Yea ur right it would have to be replicas
@@1940limitedReason was the asbestos and the person who bought it wanting to sell anything of value to gain a quick buck before selling her to someone else.
@@1940limited I think she was used in WWII to transport. They refitted her for other purposes and all that was lost in an effort for her to help us win the war. She is a veteran.
If they do sink her i wanna be there to see her take her final breath but being honest she deserves so much more fucken respect then a watery grave shes americas flag ship ocean liner she was the best of the best she did her duty well thats why like the queen mary she deserves to be saved and preserved and not just another wreck laying on the bottom of the ocean too Florida she may just be another ship that can be sunk but to us shes the ship that so many have memories of being on senior citizens likely remember running along her decks as children playing around and just living out their youth to others it may be the place they called home while working on her and to those who didnt go on her or didnt get to experience her we were told tales of her greatness her sweeping luxurious décor and design and her speed where she could make the travel from new york to the uk in under 5 days and that shes the god damn SS UNITED STATES the fastest ship on the seas, there will likely never be a ship as fast as her ever again and they wanna sink her as if shes just some THING to be thrown away it absolutely disgusts me of how their treating her.
They need to restore this great ship . This famous Ship is a part of Maritime transport History & was once the pride of America's presence on the oceans .
Unfortunately, just now, this became true.
Prefer refurbished to a museum or hotel ship. Prefer museum or hotel ship to reefed. Prefer reefed to scrapped.
_SS America_ also had her preferences.
Me looking at the tennis court 1:39
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It’s disgusting if they sink it she’s the last of her kind for god sake !
If they sink her it would be sad and she will meet her older sister :( (ss america)
Half sister or cousins since while similar the two share too many differences to be considered sister ships
@@hardcasekara6409 i mean they are step sisters
I hope they at least film the sinking with 4k cameras.
hi from england, can't see why the US government doesn't step in. do they even know about it ? could be an atifical reef in Mexico bay.better than scrapping.
At least she might rest well knowing that she won’t get scrapped.
Close and lock the water tight doors !! There’s some tours of the ship going on today . Someone, do it !!
the most realiastic future of this ship is probably being turned into a artificial reef or most probably scrapped with the chance of this ship being saved is pretty low
Will any parts be saved or will the whole ship go down? I’ve heard at least one of the funnels might be saved.
I do not like how ships are sunk to make artificial reefs. They place and denote charges that result the in the ships bottom falling out and it just falls quickly under the surface. Very under whelming. If they place a single charge up by the bow, we might get longer dramatic sinking with the stern sticking out. But the demolition crew don't care about dramatic effect or making art, they just want to get the job done quickly.
I honestly hope they do. She's too gutted to be restored to her former glory. SSUS needs to rest, not in a scrap yard but underwater.
Funnels will be removed prior to sinking.
I hope not. I sailed on her in May of 1958.
You lucky SOB
I thought she was stripped for use in WWII ? She was fixed to sail in 58?
@@christiandpaul2022 The S.S. United States was built by Cunard Lines with secret design and financial assistance from the U.S. Navy. Publicly, she was built as an ocean liner which would be the only service she ever provided. Secretly, she was built for use as a troop ship should the need arise. That is why she has an extra thick and extra strong hull and an all metal construction. She has two engine rooms, one fore and one aft, and water tight bulkheads extending from the keep to the top decks. No wood was used in her construction, in fact the only wood allowed on the ship was one grand piano which to be proven could not burn, and the butcher blocks used in the kitchens. She was stripped some time after being removed from service, because asbestos was used throughout the ship in construction. She was towed to Turkey for the stripping process, then towed back. A variety of private owners have various parts of her former interior.
@@MarkWick Thanks! (I'm sure removal of the asbestos cost a fortune. It's a shame they go no further. She would not be usable as a cruse ship as she is too small by todays standards but some of those year long high luxury cruses may be able to use her as I think they carry fewer passengers and it would cater very closely to the people they carry as they pay 50,000 to 100,000 dollars for the trip.)
i mean, only the future can tell.
As least no lives were lost and she still has one finall mission for the sea creatures much better fate then getting scrapped
THAT WOULD BE SADDER.
But it’s better than scrapping. Because when you sink it, you can still go and see the ship. But I’d rather have the ship saved, it it doesn’t, then sinking it is the best way so it can still be with us
@@MichaelJacksonRobloxGaming BUT IT WILL SLOWLY DECAY
@@Britannic737 well what would you prefer? Having the SS United States stay longer by sinking it? Or just have it gone forever by scrapping it?
@@MichaelJacksonRobloxGaming it would be better keeping it floating I guess
Catch me now I am falling...
Well first off I am sure they plan on sinking her upright the way they did the Oriskany
it would make for a much better and safer wreck dive
It would be pretty easy to do considering it is a 1000 feet long and the water it will be sunk in will be less than 200 feet , you could flood the stern enough to get it to settle on the bottom with at least half of the ship still above the surface . Once o the bottom then you just slowly pump water into the bow, just enough to get it to slowly sink
I suspect they will remove the funnels and mast so that it can be sunk in shallow enough water so that the upper superstructure (the white part) will be within 30 to 100 feet of the surface. well within the limits of your average PADI AOW diver on regular air
On one side I hope they don't, but on the other maybe it's good is she just rests at the bottom of the ocean in a way??
Park here along the Hudson River a few miles north of NYC?
Please can you make a Sinking Animation about the MV Doña Paz?
Will they sink the USS America probably military will probably use it as a target ship it is a pity, even if the titanic was still around today, which it probably wouldn’t because even if it didn’t sink because you have to look at history because the Olympic. Was even eventually scrapped, and that was the sister ship of the titanic
Konnte ich nicht verstehen, wieso die Olympic nicht erhalten wurde.
@@uweschmidt6052 yes, I don’t know why they scrapped Olympic, but they did manage to save and preserve one of the tenders that’s in England right now that used to Service the Titanic by running passengers out to her when she couldn’t come into docking
They should at least preserve the ship’s two smokestacks and the mast
And they could probably build a replica of the SS United States and it could use the funnels and mast from the original vessel.
And I was right. They are planning to remove the radar mast and both of the funnels
Mr gibbs watching this in heaven 👁️👄👁️
This is such a sad video to watch. Why is this ship so important?? It was only the most technologically advanced, and fastest ocean liner in the world! It was the very best that could be designed at the time, and truly is a 'timeless' design that could be refit and refurbished to serve us today. Here's a really good idea: why not allow each state to 'buy in' for fractural ownership of this iconic ship, then restore and refit it for use to help house some of the veterans from each state that are either homeless, or just need temporary assistance. The ship could also serve as a floating VA hospital ship, and serve the east coast helping veterans at each port of call that are scheduled for the specialized care that can be provided. This historic ship is as long as the Chrysler building is tall, so there would be plenty of room to house both a fully staffed modern medical center, and a place for veterans in need. Some of the veterans might need rehabilitation, recovery from mental stress and disorder, or might just use the ship to relocate to another part of the US to another state's port of call. Either way, this fine ship would still be with us, restored, commissioned, and be put to good use for the American people. Such a plan makes good sense, as the structure itself would not have to be built. The ship itself is available already, it only requires funding for insightful renovation and people with enough imagination and determination to make it all possible. PJM
Appropriate. The United States is going to the ocean floor, and the Spirit of Great Britain Vulcan bomber is in a museum.
Man that hurt to watch and sadly I think will come to reality. Ironic that this is almost a foreshadow of the once great country she is named after
If the SS United States is sunk, America would become more of a joke than a proud nation: the ship's essentially the embodiment of the American identity. I mean, it's even beaten the Queen Mary's own record for goodness sake
I really hope she gets restored but she probably won't it would be very sad to loose her
This is a huge problem with what to do with these icons of the sea ,Queen Mary has been dogged with financial difficulties for year's, i don't know the answer that would put her future on a sure footing but i certainly don't like the idea of sinking her,she's a record breaker,and talking of record breakers i have a great photo of Donald Campbell and his daughter sat on Bluebird on board the S.S.United States en route to America in June 1957.
I suppose we can only hope that someone with deep pockets will come along soon and keep her in daylight because there isn't another one.
looks so realistic
That was hard to watch,God forbid it never comes to that senario
Unfortunately, the news is true. She will be scuttled to make a reef.
I wish she would be restored.
Why this ship has not recived the respect that she deserve? Queen mary 2 (the one in long beach) has and have recived respect.
RMS Queen Mary *
Americans tend not to be preservationists plus it's expensive. I don't agree with that, but I think the observation has merit.
Queen Mary had her service life as both ocean liner and troop ship to help her as well as having many of her interior saved not like United States that had them gutted out cause of the asbestos and cause the at the time owner wanting to make a quick buck by selling everything of value they could before selling her to someone else.
The queen marys just better and has a lot more history also the things now just a shell it has nothing inside of it
@@hardcasekara6409 yeah that's also right. But this ship is the flagship of America!
I hope what is happening to her is not symbolic of what is happening to the US... DON'T SINK HER or TAKE HER APART. FIX HER!!
The ship shouldn't be sunk in my opinion i may be a brit i think she deserves a chance at preservation like queen Mary but sinking her to be a reef is just wrong.
I hope she is still saved.
Very well done video
I thought about this when they said they had to move her. Why not sink her for divers and for a reef. Like the starship enterprise instead of being decommissioned Kirk blew her up to save the lives of the others.
She really has no purpose but for dry dock or day cruises. Cruse ships are a dozen times her size now.
Really will be a tragedy if that is the outcome. Hope they can reef it landing upright!
Sinking her to make an artificial reef is blasphemous. She is more important to the US than the RMS Queen Mary. I love the Mary, but the SS United States deserves the same fate. We already lost her sister, SS America: th-cam.com/video/urOcRYR3D1w/w-d-xo.html ; So, she must be saved!
QM IS BEST! SHES LITERALLY NAMES AFTER A FUCKING QUEEN
Let's just hope that never happens, that and the idea of her getting scrapped. A life as a floating hotel and museum at I don't care where is perfect for America's flagship.
This aged badly 😔
Tbh dont get why people want this instead of the entire hotel thing, i dont wanna see a depressing wreck falling apart while it can easily be a nice hotel to stay at
There's gazillion amounts of projects popping up for the ship and none of them worked
They missed their chance when casino gambling came to Pennsylvania. If the association or other casino company had got a license for the ship it may have been possible to afford to upgrade the ship to a hotel-casino project. With the condition the ship is in now it would not be an easy thing to just make it a floating hotel. The association is having a hard time just getting the funding to move the ship to a new berth. Especially with today’s high interest to finance projects it makes it even harder to justify rebuilding the ship to just become a floating hotel. Not to mention it would have to move from where it is to a reasonable area with good tourism and possible convention business. So while I hate to see such a historic ship be lost, it most likely would be best to tow it out to see and sink it as a reef. At least that way divers could still visit the historic ship and it would provide a place for fish to prosper.
The powers that be would rather throw money on the QUEEN MARY-
SAD-
THE UNITED STATES IS A WAAAAAY CLASSIER SHIP.
WELL THEY BETTER HECKIN NOT!
It's either that or she'll most likely be scrapped.
So sinking her as an artificial reef is definitely the lesser of the two evils as she'll be around for decades to come.
And will become a home for multiple kinds of marine life.
Poor SS united states
I would prefer a sinking bow on.