Great video. We ride both. I do regular bike to get ultra exercise. I would say we bike with assistance. We try to do adventure trips and get as much range pedaling as we can. We have gotten 60 miles before. We live in a really hilly area. It makes it tough on regular bikes to do a long road trip as we are older. Keep up the good work.
@@ericcopass7483 thank you very much Eric we appreciate it and thank you for watching. I know with my knees and back. I would not be able to ride a regular bike and would give it up pretty quickly. Surprisingly enough, when I’m riding my custom built track I rarely am using any power. only when heading up a hill or picking up speed. Maintain rolling very rare. Does the watt meter even kick on.
Hey there Mr and Mrs southern ebiker! I am not an ebiker at all but…. You guys really have my thoughts on the subject spot on (at least the important parts). For starters, manufacturers and the magazines cater to one thing. Money! (Yep you nailed that too). When e-bikes first popped up on the scene the bike magazines were “no-no-no, this is not bicycling or mountain biking”. But you could have predicted when people wanted pedaling assistance and would PAY for it all of a sudden the periodicals were all in. That being said sales will drive an industry and as we are seeing people will not automatically be sensible. Some people will need to be forced into it! (Laws 😢). So most that you said about ebikes on trails I can be on board with. Surron and the like have no business on any trail with pedestrians and children. It’s just common sense. Here is where we may separate thoughts on the topic…. I am 61 yrs old, live in NC and I’m an avid cyclist and mountain biker. I thought I was all “anti-ebike” and watching your vids and witnessing what an ebike has done for my 58 yr old wife has softened me to the idea. I can’t seem to get past this though; e-bikes on singletrack. I saw your singletrack mountain ebike purchase and I really don’t get the idea of a competition on an ebike. Another component of my feeling of e-bikes on singletrack is a little more refined. A mountain biker (no ebike) goes up to the mountains (or even a local trail to ride). There is a finite amount of time and effort that most people can ride and then it is time to rest, and give others a chance to enjoy the trails. But the ebike allows for over-extended miles and time and adds to trail over-use, crowding, and severe trail degradation. Got swapping batteries adds to the problem. As a 61 yr old cyclist I have seen in myself and my piers that an ebike isn’t necessary to enjoy the ride. (I’m sticking to singletrack here). With the work comes the benefits. Thanks for great videos!! I’m a fan!
@@pathart2080 thank you for watching Pat. We much appreciate it. I run across regular mountain bikers quite often that will certainly ride further than I do on my bike. I think it boils down to what we are capable of and after six decades, five of which were spent climbing on, let’s just say not real tame horses, the idea of a regular bike would really not be possible for me. As far as the competition. This is a series that I was very involved with when it first was developed over 40 years ago. It is called the grand national cross country, or, GNCC. I found out about five years ago that not only is the series still going, but it has expanded into a worldwide known competition. It is not just for off-road motorcycles now, but they also have some cross-country e-bike races. I guess you could say it is a bucket list for me to show up on the starting line of one of these races after more than 40 years away. Maybe we will run across each other out on the trails one day. Enjoy your weekend.
@@pedrofernandez8729 thank you for watching Pedro. I think a boils down to are we riding them like bicycles or are we riding them like little motorcycles. I know I will catch a lot of flack for that, but I’ve never really been concerned about stepping on toes. Enjoy your weekend.
@@pedrofernandez8729 the way, the manufacturers are making it so easy to un restrict, the authorities that will step in will be lawmakers not law enforcement. That’s when the real problems will really get rolling.
Bottom line, there are many cars that can go much faster than the posted speed limit. It's the same with ebikes. Obey the law when on bike trail and there will be no problems. I pedal constanly when riding my Lectric Xpeak. I obey the law and I get a lot of exercize.
@@Slamb68 thank you for watching. Honestly, I used to think the same thing. And if everybody would be responsible, we would not have these issues. But if you look at cars as an example. They have to have a licensed driver, registration, and license plate, insurance, inspection, and of course all the associated taxes. Is that really what we want for our e-bikes? I am a bit concerned if they started speaking about speed limits only that is what we would be facing. again thanks for watching.
Great video. I'd love to have a neighborhood like that near by to ride in. But for now I'll stick to trails. Anyway. what worries me about riders not following the 'Rules of Ebike Classification" is America starts doing the that crazy stuff I saw over in Great Britain. There thieves are riding powerful Ebikes and using them to commit crimes. Mainly snatching Cellphones. So Great Britain outlaw the 750 watt and above Ebikes(Not stealing Cellphones). But you only see the Cops stopping and taking these bike from Law Abiding Citizens. They seems to think that by taking these bikes from the Average Joe on his way to work will stop the Criminals. It is the most Ass Backward thing I ever seen. Yet I can imagine Law Enforce in the U.S. doing the same thing as we get more and more Karens complaints. Thanks, once again..Great Video.
@@PlayingInVestapol thank you for watching friend. Absolutely I am right there with you. I see it’s going to be more of e-bikes are going to need to be registered, plated, insured, etc. Of course, along with that that will be the taxes. Because let’s face it law-enforcement would not know a 250 W from a 750 W. so it will be up to the lawmakers and if they make you plate your bike, you end up having to get inspections and that’s where they find these things out. that will also give them reason to stop anybody that is on a bike that is not plated. You can certainly see how easy that would be for a lawmaker. Again, thanks for watching and enjoy your weekend.
Bike trails have speed limits. In Illinois to be an ebike it can’t have over 750 watts. Class 1,2,or 3. Over 750 watts it’s a moped and needs a license. Have producers create titles so they can have a plate. My Dads 63 chev 409 with 3 carbs had over 400 hp. Still had to drive 65 except in Montana. Cops don’t have the resources to monitor bikes. Why there are issues. They will want funding to regulate. Guesswhere that $ will come from.
@@garywillhoit thank you for watching Gary. I used to think the speed limit would be a good idea, but the enforcement would be basically impossible without license, plates, insurance, et… one of my major beefs is with these manufacturers making it so easy to restrict these bikes. I really have no problem with the bike, but let’s not sell it as an ebike and say that it is the same legally as a bicycle. This is really something that I have only noticed on the DTC bikes. You walk into a trek store and buy a trek bike, you’re not gonna unrestricted by just pushing a couple buttons on the display. I’m not gonna get into everything but I will be doing another video about this very soon. That expands on this a little bit. Again, thank you for watching and enjoy your weekend.
Great video. We ride both. I do regular bike to get ultra exercise. I would say we bike with assistance. We try to do adventure trips and get as much range pedaling as we can. We have gotten 60 miles before. We live in a really hilly area. It makes it tough on regular bikes to do a long road trip as we are older. Keep up the good work.
@@ericcopass7483 thank you very much Eric we appreciate it and thank you for watching. I know with my knees and back. I would not be able to ride a regular bike and would give it up pretty quickly. Surprisingly enough, when I’m riding my custom built track I rarely am using any power. only when heading up a hill or picking up speed. Maintain rolling very rare. Does the watt meter even kick on.
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Hey there Mr and Mrs southern ebiker! I am not an ebiker at all but…. You guys really have my thoughts on the subject spot on (at least the important parts). For starters, manufacturers and the magazines cater to one thing. Money! (Yep you nailed that too). When e-bikes first popped up on the scene the bike magazines were “no-no-no, this is not bicycling or mountain biking”. But you could have predicted when people wanted pedaling assistance and would PAY for it all of a sudden the periodicals were all in. That being said sales will drive an industry and as we are seeing people will not automatically be sensible. Some people will need to be forced into it! (Laws 😢). So most that you said about ebikes on trails I can be on board with. Surron and the like have no business on any trail with pedestrians and children. It’s just common sense. Here is where we may separate thoughts on the topic…. I am 61 yrs old, live in NC and I’m an avid cyclist and mountain biker. I thought I was all “anti-ebike” and watching your vids and witnessing what an ebike has done for my 58 yr old wife has softened me to the idea. I can’t seem to get past this though; e-bikes on singletrack. I saw your singletrack mountain ebike purchase and I really don’t get the idea of a competition on an ebike. Another component of my feeling of e-bikes on singletrack is a little more refined. A mountain biker (no ebike) goes up to the mountains (or even a local trail to ride). There is a finite amount of time and effort that most people can ride and then it is time to rest, and give others a chance to enjoy the trails. But the ebike allows for over-extended miles and time and adds to trail over-use, crowding, and severe trail degradation. Got swapping batteries adds to the problem. As a 61 yr old cyclist I have seen in myself and my piers that an ebike isn’t necessary to enjoy the ride. (I’m sticking to singletrack here). With the work comes the benefits. Thanks for great videos!! I’m a fan!
@@pathart2080 thank you for watching Pat. We much appreciate it. I run across regular mountain bikers quite often that will certainly ride further than I do on my bike. I think it boils down to what we are capable of and after six decades, five of which were spent climbing on, let’s just say not real tame horses, the idea of a regular bike would really not be possible for me. As far as the competition. This is a series that I was very involved with when it first was developed over 40 years ago. It is called the grand national cross country, or, GNCC. I found out about five years ago that not only is the series still going, but it has expanded into a worldwide known competition. It is not just for off-road motorcycles now, but they also have some cross-country e-bike races. I guess you could say it is a bucket list for me to show up on the starting line of one of these races after more than 40 years away. Maybe we will run across each other out on the trails one day. Enjoy your weekend.
I seldom use the throttle, so I guess I am a biker. Most of the e bike riders I see around here, don't seem to pedal at all.
@@pedrofernandez8729 thank you for watching Pedro. I think a boils down to are we riding them like bicycles or are we riding them like little motorcycles. I know I will catch a lot of flack for that, but I’ve never really been concerned about stepping on toes. Enjoy your weekend.
E bike manufacturers keep pushing the speed limits up to the point where the authorities are gonna have to set up and enforce tougher laws and rules.
@@pedrofernandez8729 the way, the manufacturers are making it so easy to un restrict, the authorities that will step in will be lawmakers not law enforcement. That’s when the real problems will really get rolling.
Bottom line, there are many cars that can go much faster than the posted speed limit. It's the same with ebikes. Obey the law when on bike trail and there will be no problems. I pedal constanly when riding my Lectric Xpeak. I obey the law and I get a lot of exercize.
@@Slamb68 thank you for watching. Honestly, I used to think the same thing. And if everybody would be responsible, we would not have these issues. But if you look at cars as an example. They have to have a licensed driver, registration, and license plate, insurance, inspection, and of course all the associated taxes. Is that really what we want for our e-bikes? I am a bit concerned if they started speaking about speed limits only that is what we would be facing. again thanks for watching.
Great video. I'd love to have a neighborhood like that near by to ride in. But for now I'll stick to trails. Anyway. what worries me about riders not following the 'Rules of Ebike Classification" is America starts doing the that crazy stuff I saw over in Great Britain. There thieves are riding powerful Ebikes and using them to commit crimes. Mainly snatching Cellphones. So Great Britain outlaw the 750 watt and above Ebikes(Not stealing Cellphones). But you only see the Cops stopping and taking these bike from Law Abiding Citizens. They seems to think that by taking these bikes from the Average Joe on his way to work will stop the Criminals. It is the most Ass Backward thing I ever seen. Yet I can imagine Law Enforce in the U.S. doing the same thing as we get more and more Karens complaints. Thanks, once again..Great Video.
@@PlayingInVestapol thank you for watching friend. Absolutely I am right there with you. I see it’s going to be more of e-bikes are going to need to be registered, plated, insured, etc. Of course, along with that that will be the taxes. Because let’s face it law-enforcement would not know a 250 W from a 750 W. so it will be up to the lawmakers and if they make you plate your bike, you end up having to get inspections and that’s where they find these things out. that will also give them reason to stop anybody that is on a bike that is not plated. You can certainly see how easy that would be for a lawmaker. Again, thanks for watching and enjoy your weekend.
Bike trails have speed limits. In Illinois to be an ebike it can’t have over 750 watts. Class 1,2,or 3. Over 750 watts it’s a moped and needs a license. Have producers create titles so they can have a plate. My Dads 63 chev 409 with 3 carbs had over 400 hp. Still had to drive 65 except in Montana. Cops don’t have the resources to monitor bikes. Why there are issues. They will want funding to regulate. Guesswhere that $ will come from.
@@garywillhoit thank you for watching Gary. I used to think the speed limit would be a good idea, but the enforcement would be basically impossible without license, plates, insurance, et… one of my major beefs is with these manufacturers making it so easy to restrict these bikes. I really have no problem with the bike, but let’s not sell it as an ebike and say that it is the same legally as a bicycle. This is really something that I have only noticed on the DTC bikes. You walk into a trek store and buy a trek bike, you’re not gonna unrestricted by just pushing a couple buttons on the display. I’m not gonna get into everything but I will be doing another video about this very soon. That expands on this a little bit. Again, thank you for watching and enjoy your weekend.
When I'm on one of my bikes I'm one, when I'm on the other bike I'm the other. Specialization is for insects.
@@ebikeengineer thank you much for watching. I believe I will be doing several videos about the DTC’s.