The all runes is huge, what stopped me playing was getting stuck on alts when a BIS rune required a full group to complete but by then no one was running them
This x10! I loved SoD and started it with friends who fell off over time. I wanted to continue but so many rules involve a group or doing a dungeon. Some of the hardest runes I remember getting was on my Pally and Mage. I wanted to keep going but when I started to hear all the stuff you needed to do for the next set of runes I simple called it quits annoyed I never fully leveled my Pally...but maybe now....
That's because blizzard sucks play turtle u can find a group for anything so many people are playing it and it's better than sod oh and it's free who wants to pay communist blizzard who has a bunch of blue haired woke losers working on the games
They really have made a career of adding QoL changes in wow way too late. I have to wonder if keeping people running on the treadmill for so long is really that valuable to the company, because clearly they are aware of it and capable of making solutions. I can’t help but think of things like azerite power or whatever, where it’s like bro all that repetitive farming and then having to redo it for any alt character is way too much, sometimes even for one character nevermind if that class or spec gets nerfed or something and you need to swap. And somehow every expansion has some weird gating like this that only serves to keep people grinding more until months and months later when the playerbase has dropped by like 90% they drop some QoL change that makes it all feel like it was a waste of time. It wouldn’t feel like a waste of time if the processes were fun, but very often they just aren’t.
Stormwind is literally packed to the brim all day. I was behind and wanted to get stuff together and formed Ony groups in 20 minutes full pugs by myself lol. Doomer
You people are an absolute joke. You spend years crying retail is too easy and now you're pissy that Blizzard waited so long before giving you literally everything through a vendor.
Honestly, it was amazing and stupid all at the same time. BUT it brought the player base together, much like 2019 Phase 2 pvp. SoD showrunners have just unfortunately been retail driven and they fully lost touch with how classic version players FEEL
All the runes from the start makes me really want to come back and give this a go. Felt left behind by them from phases to phase and resented going back and getting them, equally some of the dungeon only ones became really hard to get when everyone else had moved on and I was coming back. This is great!
it was shitty even in phase 2....like the whole point of the runes would ahve been to feel the difference playing and leveling and you only got them at higher levels in phase 2...was super annoying.
@@cameronroberts4296 if only everyone had a brain like you. The entire idea of the vanilla wow experience over the years, according to all the data I’ve seen, is leveling. People literally flake after maxing out their level, never mind their gear. “Here’s something you can only get once you’re already burned out!” - Blizzard Manager 20xx
Sod is the best iteration WoW ever had. It is a LOT of fun. All specs are viable - PvE and PvP is fun. Wished more ppl would play it. After years of not raiding in retail, I finally enjoy raiding again. The only thing Blizz could add is something for dungeons. If they‘d bring in dungeon difficulties and any kind of rewards for it (crafting mats when doing something like M+?) it would be perfect.
I disagree with bringing difficulties in dungeons, i would rather keep the difficulties in raids. If we get a heroic version of dungeons like TBC, then devs would need to focus more on balancing the harder modes in all dungeons and wouldnt be able to give us new content like the upcoming scarlet enclave raid and kara crypts dungeon.
@@ashiok I think it's odd you think adding Mythic plus wouldn't make it retail. Which it already is. They turned it into retail set in the Vanilla client.
For real. Launching fresh classic servers while SoD was popping off again was literally steering the titanic right towards the ice. Kept on it for two weeks after. Summoning hubs silent. Groups taking hours to form. Just dead or your guild was doing AQ. Casuals begone.
@@_kostant fresh will fall off once they realize why era fell off lol its just the same sht minus the fun new stuff from sod, i think sod will have an upswing over the next few weeks
@@aic20 hopefully! I’m almost level 60 on HC. Got super lucky with an epic world drop and have been really enjoying the grind. Buuuut hitting 60 is about where my fun is gonna end I think. Looking forward to trying SoD out again. Pressing one button every 6 seconds in classic isn’t that engaging lol.
It didn’t crush SoD at all. The person that left were going to leave anyway. It’s still 62k SoD vs 20k Fresh. The streamers are making so much noise regarding Fresh and HC but it’s the loud minority and that’s all. The game is still SUPER healthy and fun. People are pugging raids every single day.
What a breath of fresh air to hear someone speaking positively about SoD! It never deserved all the hate it got. Runes are so freaking cool. You can be a Frost/Fire hybrid Mage in a way you never could before which is pretty fun in pvp. Grab mostly Frost Talents with Impact from the Fire tree with the Living Bomb rune and it's insane. Throw points in Frostbite as well. You can have a separate pair of boots to rotate in the chrono heal soon as combat drops. High skill ceiling gameplay but pretty nutty in BGs.
Two friends and I started fresh in SOD the other night. We rolled pally priest and hunter, played for like 6.5 or 7 hours, got to 22 and three manned Deadmines. We started the dungeon at 19. It was a blast. Even if you don't decide to stick around and keep playing, it would be a fun thing to just do with a buddy or group for a night. One of those same friends and I played again Thursday, and we two manned Ragefire Chasm at like 16 as a double shaman. He barely off healed me while I tanked, and he just blasted stuff down with lava bursts and overload procs. 10/10 Would recommend at least for a short term thing. If you do have some friends or can find a guild willing to go for the long haul, I bet it would also be super fun.
They could allow 80 raiders into a 20 man raid and the players would still want your logs, button rotation and CV. Honestly, I know most people in my guild stopped playing because it got so taken over and catered towards the 'wow is my life' crowd we just couldn't be bothered. We play on the HC realm quite often because even that is way more chill than the SoD crowd. We're quite happy chilling on the anniversary realms. I don't think as many will return as you think, the runes could be fun but the driving factor behind leaving SOD for a lot of people was just the core player base.
Not sure what SOD you've been playing. I've been in two different casual raiding guilds on two toons. Nobody cares about parses and comms are not clear. You can find casual raiding guilds you just didn't look.
@Mike-bf8ik Well, tbf we fizzled out around phase 3. Not sure what it is like now. But that was the driving force that got us all out. We enjoyed the raids, we enjoyed the content, but we were and still are a casual raiding guild. But good lord, Chaos Bolt (dead server now) player base was just a mess. I got asked for my GS to do DMs, it was at that point we decided this was silly and left.
sod is the least toxic version of wow i've experienced by far. i pug/raid with my guild multiple times a week and i've been asked for logs legit one time..also about your server being dead, they consolidated everyone into 1 pvp realm and 1 pve realm. they give free transfers to them.
I was a GM on WG horde. Lost pretty much every raider (20 out of 25) to classic fresh. Now we’re over there. I think the problem is that, yes, all of this stuff is nice, but there’s a defined end date coming up while anniversary is going into TBC. We were all hoping that this season would be extended longer and expanded upon more. I have 47 days played in SOD. I loved it, but have moved to classic fresh.
My problem is they made it seem like stuff would be changing more often. Like this "season" I could play a rogue and then in 3 or 4 months a new "season" would start and I could try something new. But that never happened.
I honestly can't comprehend how people will go play classic fresh with no runes, doing 40 man MC with 20 warriors, and have a fun time at this point. Lol classic fresh sounds like ass if I'm behind honest.
I might actually try this out, but I think it might go too far in the other direction. The runes should at least be level gated at the vendor. Certain things you can't do until level 10, 20, 30, etc
I've been playing SOD since release, and it's been a lot of fun. I run a guild on crusader strike US and I really think Blizzard has done a great job with this AQ phase. If you are thinking about coming back I would recommend it, especially with the rune changes.
I want to come back and willing to play any class but I need a boost! I have been grinding classic anniversary for the past month and I'm burnt out with questing. I wouid love to play in your guild but I need a boost!
@@jp301 you will level fast regardless of the questing. Once you get to the BFD LVL 25 raid... Huge boss exp. Then gnomer lv 40. Same thing. Also ST at 50. Then you got the incursions where you LVL insanely fast. There are guilds especially casual ones you can join and grp up for dungeon grinds and boosts. Realms are popping off since ppl are tired of the vanilla experience and want more fun than 1 button rotation lol
As a Player who has played private servers off and on since 2014, raiding in different capacities, and playing 2019 Classic up through AQ40, I returned in Phase 4 and have enjoyed it since. Yes, there are a lot of things still that I think Blizzard needs to fix in order to get closer to the fabled "Classic+" we want to see someday, but the direction of the development has been very nice. It still feels like Vanilla, but it definitely is more enjoyable to play than baseline vanilla at end-game. I do wish they'd do more during the leveling process since, everyone treats the level up raids as ignorable, and incursions really harmed the leveling process while they were still repeatable more than once per day. However, the game is on track for a good quality end-game experience, and it's actually not that hard to pick up things. Anyone else who tells you otherwise would probably only be happy playing Era/Anniversary anyway. Additionally, the raiding scene is actually still quite active. As a guild leader myself, I can tell you that people are enjoying the vibe since Hard Mode is mostly viewed as optional due to it being not necessary to enjoy the game. And I'd argue that more people can play the content since it's designed for 10 and 20 player groups per raid, rather than 20 and 40 which tend to be the true raid boss in normal classic more than the actual content itself. There was a lot I missed personally in SoM since that was out during TBC, as a lot of people did, so it's nice to experience what feels new to a lot of us.
this is gunna be the classic plus, they just wanted to build up to it i guess. Non officially there is 2 new raid phases to be released along with playable dk class. The assets of one of the raids was already added to the game files so you could potentially say 1 new raid has been 100% confirmed.
Ive have still been having alot of fun on SoD. It is hands down my favorite version of wow in terms of class design and play style. Hopeful for w/e Classic + could be in the future.
I started SOD up again , I see players everywhere levelling up. Even in the starter zone you see a good 10-20 people . Within thousand needles I’ve come across multiple people wanting to group up .
Honestly been kinda bummed you haven't covered Season of Discovery as much, but I get not every version of WoW is for everyone. I hope it's grown on you and we get to hear more about it. :)
Is it too late to start SoD now? No chance to sort of catch up or not enough low level people to do group activities with? I’d like to give it a chance. Thanks!
I've been throwing myself at hardcore since the launch of the new servers but I'm starting to feel a bit burnt out from always being on edge. I was looking for something to casually play in between and I think you've convinced me to try SoD again
We just get a a few of a specific buff each then coordinate amongst ourselves and pop them all right at the start. Usually I'll hold our boons for the last attempt, but most weeks everyone is fully world buffed and just stays booned.
I know that getting the runes automatically is huge, positive change. But it is kind of funny how if this is how SoD functioned from the beginning. What did this seasonal server give us at the end of the day? A couple retuned 5 mans into raids, and optional difficulty sliders for end game raids? Like the point of season of discovery was supposed to be "discovering" these new runes, and it quickly became one the worst parts of the server. Very strange that at the end of the day we spent over a year on a server that promised new content, and the only truly new content we got was the dungeon in ashenvale and this upcoming scarlet raid. While this server was not bad by any stretch I think it was ultimately fairly underwhelming in retrospect. It's crazy how Blizz just gets to enjoy infinite hype for their games, the loss of players shortly after the release of their products is not a result of "hype wearing off." It's cause their product is disappointing, it fails to meet expectations every single time but people still keep giving them chances, which is good, we want a good experience that's all we want. If you want a good vanilla+ experience please for the love of god just okay turtlewow, it's higher quality, vanilla mindset content, and it's free. It's just a better vanilla product in every single way.
To be fair, they also did a ton of retooling and reitemizing in the game. Just a cursory look at the difference in set bonuses from vanilla to SoD will show you. I for one like how ele shamans actually had a set bonus that helped them rather than just the one set for resto.
While pve content wise you are somewhat correcty They did introduce stv pvp event, quests, completely revamped tier set bonuses, new items and new class/role combos. SoD got a massive hit during P3 sadly, however it feels like it is recovering now. I can’t speak for Turtlewow, but I did hear good things about it.
Yeah… I would definitely not recommend Turtle WoW. Fraction of the active players/raiders and you have to deal with playing on the worst client ever made in WoW. I know some people don’t mind but after playing official for years, the quality of the client is a deal breaker for me and the add-on support just isn’t there for 1.12. Turtle has never really improved the gameplay experience of the classes and balanced the meta like SoD did.
I just went back and finished leveling my mage, got all the runes and... There were so few dungeons being run so I couldn't get better gear to get into any raids. Of which there were pretty much only AQs going. Then they announced this, which I'm happy about but... What's the point if I can't do anything at 60?
Honesty SoD was a great idea and would have probably keep strong if they didnt make such a huge mistake with incursions and other crazy exp paths i think they got a lot of good ideas and feedback for classic+ in the furture but at this point SoD is only gonna last a few more months while i know 90% of the community will disagree i think they should just add dungeon finder for 1-59 dungeons at this point to get people who want to give it one last horah before the season ends to cap so we can try and get enough players to max to fill the upcoming raids
I've been thinking about it I havent played SoD since Phase 3. Ran some Sunken Temple with the guild I was in a few times and then just quit. Namely because when I quit the new FFXIV expansion was right around the corner. What all is there to know thats changed or is new since phase 3? If someone could give me notes id appreciate it alot. Cause i have no idea where to even begin with getting back into sod.
As someone who never left SoD, I'm glad you see people coming back. WillE, you should try Ret twisting out! With the Draconic 2 and 4 set, it's better than tbc twisting!
Sod honestly has been banging since 60. The incursion thing was rough, but ST was a good raid with lots of fun bosses(I still say the slime boss is the best boss). The new optional mechanics for AQ are pretty cool. The constant class balance changes to keep all specs at least playable is great.
no lol we still have months and months left of sod with at minimum 1 new raid (naxx) and possibly a surprise actual NEW raid so nows a great time id say
SOD is great now, its finally going into its final form after stupid level locked phases. AQ40 hardmode is dope, and Naxx is coming in few months, more people should hop on
I feel like you normally research your vids a bit more. You're usually the "I don't post as the news drop but my vids are always spot on" kinda guy. We have info on stuff like the Scarlet raid and Kara crypts. Couple of other things in here too I feel like could do with a bit more research too. Overall still an enjoyable watch tho. appreciate the content always :)
@@phantom0456 Thats funny :P for the record though I left a like on the vid. WilliEs content is generally great and I thought this one was too mostly :)
For me ... I don't understand how so many people left SoD. I do get the Runes for Twins thing and that it's sad how they managed so far to not bring any new content in SoD. But I still really really like the more modern gameplay and the nostalgic raids, that you can clear in 1hr or less.
If they had just made the runes that required a group or extended amounts of grinding easier to solo in a reasonable time, I might have been interested, but I don't want to just be given a bunch of tools that make everything trivial.
I honestly stopped playing fresh to play SOD again. I don't think the fresh experience is there for a lot of people any more. Vanilla can only be fun for so long before you're raid logging, and the fact that warriors are everywhere, and there's only mages, priests and rogues taking up most slots and preparation. Meaning you're fighting for every little bit a gear if you *do* play any of those four, or if you're non-meta you're behind. Meanwhile SoD has a variety of class balance and meta picks. Play whatever you want. The only real issue is the leveling experience in SoD, but it is still very fast (I'm pacing at around 40-50 hrs to hit 60), and getting your feet on the ground.
Sod is actually feeling really good right now. Hopefully the new content they release is at least decent, could see it getting popular now with the runes all unlocked and some of the dope mounts and shit in the game
Completed the R14 Grind- PVP in SoD is fun but it’s essentially a who can delete who first game (or stop the other person from getting theirs off). Just about every class can be setup to hit really hard and 2-3 shot people consistently, so just pick your flavor. It’s satisfying pulling it off and infuriating when it happens to you cause you know the other guy is lmao-ing. Maybe less tact than true classic PvP, and more reaction time? How I’d describe it. I enjoy it more than I dislike it though.
This is what I wanted classic to be. Blizz missed the mark by 5 years 😢 Happily playing retail again now and no intention (nor time) to try out the new SoD. So I’m glad I have WillE to take me on a tour 😊
I stopped at lvl 40 due to not having alot of time to play, but this will absolutely make me come back and blast stuff with the new rune system up to 60, and if I find time, try some raiding
The purchaseable world buffs are all available in IF/Org. They are expensive (50 commendations is 100 runecloth, which costs around 10g/stack atm). On the flipside, you can farm runecloth and sell it for around 10g/stack 😂 The WB items cant be booned, but are raid-wide when used. This oddly enough makes raids go much faster, as you end up having these buffs active for trash as well.
Rune vendor: Oh hey yknow how people went on and on about it is about the journey not the destination and that there should be world content for a season of DISCOVERY? Yeah we just want to get people to end game so here's a rune vendor, lol. Talk about missing the fucking point.
The rune vendor was a big W. My alts sat broken with no desire to run around for hours grabbing all the runes i grabbed once already on my main. Now, i might actually play them 😂
I enjoyed all the class quests they added and had fun with the early raids. The whole incursion thing put me of. Also they added way too many abilties. Not only did it take the charm of simplicity that classic has it also felt way too close to retail in terms of design. At least for my taste. Im personally more on the "add maybe 1 or 2 spells and fix scaling on badly designed spells" side of things. Similar how turtle wow does it minues their new talents trees.
yeah i'm with you on this should have happened a while ago. This was a major thing for me, the run grind was dreadful. I didnt create or focus on alts much at all due to it. Now that it is gone, it is very tempting to go back.
we have more people coming to raid now than we ever have....phase 6 is by far the best end game sod has offered, with p7 and beyond looking even better
but what is going to happen to SoD characters??? that is the question ..theyve basically confirmed classic+ so with anniversary going into TBC etc, and classic era being permanent classic....classic+ confirmed...what is going to happen to SoD characters??? the only thing i can think is that they will be deleted or MAYBE possibility to Xfer them to classic era...but we need confirmation
Sorry but things like this irk me. 5+ years ago everyone was begging for time sinks and epic quest chains that were long and maybe hard but had a big reward. Then people got em and were like "nah gimme back my instant gratification"
PvP is much better than it was before but everyone is still complaining about shamans. They are the only class that is a tank dps and healer all in one with all their rune options and haven’t seen any nerfs all of SoD.
I personally really enjoy SoD and have been playing non-stop since p1. It had it's rough moments especially in p3, but p4 and onwards were really enjoyable. I wish they wouldn't rush content so fast and would give it more time to breath. Pvp is not in a very good state though, shamans are boomies are 2 shooting people in bgs so that needs to be addressed.
P1 was really fun and I enjoyed it with a guild I made, but felt like it lasted a bit too long and too many retail/other classic events lined up with the other phases of SoD and felt impossible to get back into after being behind. With the runes being available right away and increased xp maybe I can jump back in finally 👀Esp if it goes into 11.1 for retail since that goblin patch looks horrible to me.
Season of discovery is a small seed but a small seed can still become a big plant, in others words season of discovery has had some setbacks but its still building upp to classic+
Using starsurge as an example of what Blizzard did right has to be the most tone deaf thing WillE has ever put out in a video. The phase 2 Starsurge nerfs moved all the dmg over to starfire a 6% lower base crit rate and a 80% lower SP coefficient ability. The fact it took blizzard till Dec to finally pull the ability back to usable and skipping all the bad they did to the spec is insane. Sod deserved to be a failure because they refuse to listen to their player base and refused to do SM in phase 2 that they advertised to everyone who went to their LAST Blizzcon. Using Gnomer and Sunken Temple for P2-P3 is them digging their own grave
Of course after I cancel my sub 2 weeks ago and wording the rune questing issues as a big reason, they then make a change like this. While I don't have an issue with some runes being locked behind cool lore quests like the Night elf supremacist or the Death Knight, there just wasn't a lot of Runes to play with so the trek to unlock runes that weren't really like big build defining runes in my opinion just felt like a slog. Hopefully with the release of POE2s EA, if any of the blizzard devs are playing it maybe they can use the gem system to inspire new runes to revamp the Rune system to make up for the Retail borrowed power.
rdf and you might interest me in sod. don’t enjoy running across the world for an hour just to realize i forgot to do something in the city i left an hour ago.
I get where you’re coming from. But I put a bunch of time into characters in classic which I’ve now been completely abandoned. I’ve gotten a years worth of enjoyment from my sod characters and I know there’s at least 6months to a year left of sod content. Don’t deny yourself enjoyment in the moment for fear of loosing characters years from now
The main reason people on my server started leaving(including myself) wasn't the content of the game it was the community. So yeah unless all the dumbasses who were causing guilds to disband due to drama about Gnomeregan, of all things, quit the game I'm not coming back.
Doing a 1-60 solo speedrun with all the runes would super fun ngl, bet you could get insane XP/hour with a good aoe class set up like an ele/tank shaman or Hunter.
tbh, for me I didn't have a problem with the runes, i actually liked it, running around the world is part of WoW (imo), for me the reason why i quit SoD is becuase i had too much to do in other versions of WoW
I would have preferred if you could unlock runes on one char that unlock the option to buy them from the vendor. So you can play your main and do stuff for other classes.
Its a test for classic+ The new content shows it's more classic than anything. The abilities we have can go up to cata at most. You and anyone saying it's "retail-" will never be happy with any changes to the old vanilla that should've been fixed ages ago. Sod has definitely made it impossible for me to commit to any vanilla server full-time now.
I think classic has stopped with wotlk. I think a rework would be great, but it would require a lot of changes. Rewrite the whole story, redesign zones etc.. The most important thing would be to integrate the three expansions into one, so that the entire map remains relevant for all levels. Integration of the other contintents etc. later on.
People still complain about shamans. For pvp no physical dps can touch a tank shaman, but casters can kill them. For pve tanks just complain if they aren’t a shaman, we got a lot of avoidance with HP. I sit at 8k with 112%avoidance with just my own kit, full buffs I have 15k hp with 118% avoidance 🙃 not to mention an additional 30%block on each shock; so I can be at a perm 148% avoidance. This is now why people complain about shamans.
It's totally legit. Not wasted effort anything they make now in SOD can be used in Classic + when that's ready. Especially they can tweak it so it's totally ready when that comes in. So pumped for actual content and Classic+ such as new raids! Once I've finished to 60 and had some fun on classic I will park for tbc. As tbc was my only true interest as a Ret paladin. Classic classes and content are stagnant. Could give sod a run if they add a new raid for sure!!
I gotvthe rune quest on my hunter to collect 3 bugs from stv, desolace and whatever it was. Did all the running. Turned it in. Didn't get the rune beeeecaaaauuuuse my inventory was full, and the quest was shitty scripted. Usually quests take the quest item first, give reward second. Or check inventory space first, give reward second. This MFing quest gave reward first, took items second. With full inventory i didn't get the rune, and the three bugs were deleted. Made a ticket about it, argued with useless CS for 4 days and then almost quit SoD because i did NOT want to go collect the bugs again
I always knew people will come crawling back to sod from the fresh servers, imagine raiding mc again with 20 warriors and dealing no damage as a hybrid, not to mention all the 1 button rotations, yikes
Looks fun, but all my friends already ditched it to play either private servers or 20th. Not interested in playing alone until I find a group to play with. Feels like a desperation change by blizzard to get people back.
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The all runes is huge, what stopped me playing was getting stuck on alts when a BIS rune required a full group to complete but by then no one was running them
What stopped me was all the traveling to get my metamorph rune for my lock at 25 as horde. I did bfd once and never logged in since
This x10! I loved SoD and started it with friends who fell off over time. I wanted to continue but so many rules involve a group or doing a dungeon. Some of the hardest runes I remember getting was on my Pally and Mage. I wanted to keep going but when I started to hear all the stuff you needed to do for the next set of runes I simple called it quits annoyed I never fully leveled my Pally...but maybe now....
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@illiji915 ah you kinda cheated yourself out of the fun of the game unfortunately
That's because blizzard sucks play turtle u can find a group for anything so many people are playing it and it's better than sod oh and it's free who wants to pay communist blizzard who has a bunch of blue haired woke losers working on the games
Bro blizzard literally always waits until the very last second to do this stuff. Literally every expansion, every year. Players have moved on now.
"players have moved on" AKA "i've moved on", SOD has 3-4 layers at peaktime, it's doing fine
They really have made a career of adding QoL changes in wow way too late. I have to wonder if keeping people running on the treadmill for so long is really that valuable to the company, because clearly they are aware of it and capable of making solutions. I can’t help but think of things like azerite power or whatever, where it’s like bro all that repetitive farming and then having to redo it for any alt character is way too much, sometimes even for one character nevermind if that class or spec gets nerfed or something and you need to swap.
And somehow every expansion has some weird gating like this that only serves to keep people grinding more until months and months later when the playerbase has dropped by like 90% they drop some QoL change that makes it all feel like it was a waste of time. It wouldn’t feel like a waste of time if the processes were fun, but very often they just aren’t.
Stormwind is literally packed to the brim all day. I was behind and wanted to get stuff together and formed Ony groups in 20 minutes full pugs by myself lol. Doomer
Idk. The starting zones are pretty packed.
You people are an absolute joke. You spend years crying retail is too easy and now you're pissy that Blizzard waited so long before giving you literally everything through a vendor.
The Ashenvale mega battles were the highlight of sod for me
people talk about tactic in general chat, peak wpvp experience for me
Yeah, true. Even for me, who played in pve server where opposite fraction dominated it was very cool experience
Honestly, it was amazing and stupid all at the same time. BUT it brought the player base together, much like 2019 Phase 2 pvp. SoD showrunners have just unfortunately been retail driven and they fully lost touch with how classic version players FEEL
Wouldve been great if it wasn't so laggy
@@チャラ-k4o True. this sht was so dumb laggy as i remember LOL
All the runes from the start makes me really want to come back and give this a go. Felt left behind by them from phases to phase and resented going back and getting them, equally some of the dungeon only ones became really hard to get when everyone else had moved on and I was coming back. This is great!
I made the mistake of playing on a PVP server to play with some friends.
Never again.
it was shitty even in phase 2....like the whole point of the runes would ahve been to feel the difference playing and leveling and you only got them at higher levels in phase 2...was super annoying.
@@cameronroberts4296 if only everyone had a brain like you. The entire idea of the vanilla wow experience over the years, according to all the data I’ve seen, is leveling. People literally flake after maxing out their level, never mind their gear.
“Here’s something you can only get once you’re already burned out!”
- Blizzard Manager 20xx
Guess we dust out SoD today boys
Sod is the best iteration WoW ever had.
It is a LOT of fun. All specs are viable - PvE and PvP is fun.
Wished more ppl would play it.
After years of not raiding in retail, I finally enjoy raiding again.
The only thing Blizz could add is something for dungeons. If they‘d bring in dungeon difficulties and any kind of rewards for it (crafting mats when doing something like M+?) it would be perfect.
So you didn't want to raid in retail, but you want retail. Make it make sense.
I disagree with bringing difficulties in dungeons, i would rather keep the difficulties in raids.
If we get a heroic version of dungeons like TBC, then devs would need to focus more on balancing the harder modes in all dungeons and wouldnt be able to give us new content like the upcoming scarlet enclave raid and kara crypts dungeon.
@@chipchippahson I think it's a little odd to argue that classes being viable and M+ is the total equivalent to 'retail'
@@ashiok I think it's odd you think adding Mythic plus wouldn't make it retail. Which it already is. They turned it into retail set in the Vanilla client.
You can buy level 1 white rings with no stats in Booty Bay, can mail to alts.
bless
We need to be more specific here
@@Mrdnz-ll1uh the mood ring
if you have the rep cant you just buy rings and a neck from the supply vendor
If you have the rep from handing in supply crates there are some green rings
i quit sod in p3 but came back for BWL. massive improvement. felt really bad when classic fresh crushed its momentum.
For real. Launching fresh classic servers while SoD was popping off again was literally steering the titanic right towards the ice.
Kept on it for two weeks after. Summoning hubs silent. Groups taking hours to form. Just dead or your guild was doing AQ. Casuals begone.
@@_kostant fresh will fall off once they realize why era fell off lol its just the same sht minus the fun new stuff from sod, i think sod will have an upswing over the next few weeks
@@aic20 hopefully! I’m almost level 60 on HC. Got super lucky with an epic world drop and have been really enjoying the grind.
Buuuut hitting 60 is about where my fun is gonna end I think. Looking forward to trying SoD out again. Pressing one button every 6 seconds in classic isn’t that engaging lol.
It didn’t crush SoD at all. The person that left were going to leave anyway. It’s still 62k SoD vs 20k Fresh. The streamers are making so much noise regarding Fresh and HC but it’s the loud minority and that’s all. The game is still SUPER healthy and fun. People are pugging raids every single day.
What a breath of fresh air to hear someone speaking positively about SoD! It never deserved all the hate it got.
Runes are so freaking cool. You can be a Frost/Fire hybrid Mage in a way you never could before which is pretty fun in pvp. Grab mostly Frost Talents with Impact from the Fire tree with the Living Bomb rune and it's insane. Throw points in Frostbite as well. You can have a separate pair of boots to rotate in the chrono heal soon as combat drops.
High skill ceiling gameplay but pretty nutty in BGs.
Two friends and I started fresh in SOD the other night. We rolled pally priest and hunter, played for like 6.5 or 7 hours, got to 22 and three manned Deadmines. We started the dungeon at 19. It was a blast. Even if you don't decide to stick around and keep playing, it would be a fun thing to just do with a buddy or group for a night. One of those same friends and I played again Thursday, and we two manned Ragefire Chasm at like 16 as a double shaman. He barely off healed me while I tanked, and he just blasted stuff down with lava bursts and overload procs. 10/10 Would recommend at least for a short term thing. If you do have some friends or can find a guild willing to go for the long haul, I bet it would also be super fun.
Friends?
They could allow 80 raiders into a 20 man raid and the players would still want your logs, button rotation and CV. Honestly, I know most people in my guild stopped playing because it got so taken over and catered towards the 'wow is my life' crowd we just couldn't be bothered. We play on the HC realm quite often because even that is way more chill than the SoD crowd. We're quite happy chilling on the anniversary realms. I don't think as many will return as you think, the runes could be fun but the driving factor behind leaving SOD for a lot of people was just the core player base.
Not sure what SOD you've been playing. I've been in two different casual raiding guilds on two toons. Nobody cares about parses and comms are not clear. You can find casual raiding guilds you just didn't look.
@Mike-bf8ik Well, tbf we fizzled out around phase 3. Not sure what it is like now. But that was the driving force that got us all out. We enjoyed the raids, we enjoyed the content, but we were and still are a casual raiding guild. But good lord, Chaos Bolt (dead server now) player base was just a mess. I got asked for my GS to do DMs, it was at that point we decided this was silly and left.
sod is the least toxic version of wow i've experienced by far. i pug/raid with my guild multiple times a week and i've been asked for logs legit one time..also about your server being dead, they consolidated everyone into 1 pvp realm and 1 pve realm. they give free transfers to them.
Just started a Paladin alt and it’s quite fun having 99% of the runes at the start.
Ewwwww imagine playing alliance
@@garygood6804 It's vanilla. No shoe faction isn't meta/fotm yet buddy
@draphking I'm not your buddy. Stop being butthurt over playing alliance. One day you'll get good.
@@garygood6804yikes
@@draphkingit’s okay, he’s used to classic where horde has to just deal with being objectively worse on damage, give em some leeway.
Shame they waited until everyone quit SoD to make new dungeons n give away all the runes. I hope all 10ppl still playing have fun...
I was a GM on WG horde. Lost pretty much every raider (20 out of 25) to classic fresh. Now we’re over there. I think the problem is that, yes, all of this stuff is nice, but there’s a defined end date coming up while anniversary is going into TBC. We were all hoping that this season would be extended longer and expanded upon more. I have 47 days played in SOD. I loved it, but have moved to classic fresh.
My problem is they made it seem like stuff would be changing more often. Like this "season" I could play a rogue and then in 3 or 4 months a new "season" would start and I could try something new. But that never happened.
@@soccergang3169 wdym? there was always an extended road map for sod.
No, there is not. They’ve already stated SoD servers will stay up indefinitely.
I honestly can't comprehend how people will go play classic fresh with no runes, doing 40 man MC with 20 warriors, and have a fun time at this point. Lol classic fresh sounds like ass if I'm behind honest.
@@MikeyJ28 yeah they’ll stay up but there’s a defined end to the content.
I might actually try this out, but I think it might go too far in the other direction. The runes should at least be level gated at the vendor. Certain things you can't do until level 10, 20, 30, etc
They already made leveling non existent, you’ll be 60 at retail speed!
I've been playing SOD since release, and it's been a lot of fun. I run a guild on crusader strike US and I really think Blizzard has done a great job with this AQ phase. If you are thinking about coming back I would recommend it, especially with the rune changes.
I want to come back and willing to play any class but I need a boost! I have been grinding classic anniversary for the past month and I'm burnt out with questing. I wouid love to play in your guild but I need a boost!
@@jp301 you will level fast regardless of the questing. Once you get to the BFD LVL 25 raid... Huge boss exp. Then gnomer lv 40. Same thing. Also ST at 50.
Then you got the incursions where you LVL insanely fast.
There are guilds especially casual ones you can join and grp up for dungeon grinds and boosts. Realms are popping off since ppl are tired of the vanilla experience and want more fun than 1 button rotation lol
As a Player who has played private servers off and on since 2014, raiding in different capacities, and playing 2019 Classic up through AQ40, I returned in Phase 4 and have enjoyed it since. Yes, there are a lot of things still that I think Blizzard needs to fix in order to get closer to the fabled "Classic+" we want to see someday, but the direction of the development has been very nice. It still feels like Vanilla, but it definitely is more enjoyable to play than baseline vanilla at end-game. I do wish they'd do more during the leveling process since, everyone treats the level up raids as ignorable, and incursions really harmed the leveling process while they were still repeatable more than once per day. However, the game is on track for a good quality end-game experience, and it's actually not that hard to pick up things. Anyone else who tells you otherwise would probably only be happy playing Era/Anniversary anyway.
Additionally, the raiding scene is actually still quite active. As a guild leader myself, I can tell you that people are enjoying the vibe since Hard Mode is mostly viewed as optional due to it being not necessary to enjoy the game. And I'd argue that more people can play the content since it's designed for 10 and 20 player groups per raid, rather than 20 and 40 which tend to be the true raid boss in normal classic more than the actual content itself. There was a lot I missed personally in SoM since that was out during TBC, as a lot of people did, so it's nice to experience what feels new to a lot of us.
Yeah agreed! They should give BFD, Gnomer and ST something thats worthwhile to group up for during leveling
this is gunna be the classic plus, they just wanted to build up to it i guess. Non officially there is 2 new raid phases to be released along with playable dk class. The assets of one of the raids was already added to the game files so you could potentially say 1 new raid has been 100% confirmed.
Is it too late to start SoD and get into raids? Pretty easy to pug?
Not too late :) very easy to pug
Just jumped back in and was hoping you would do a video like this, I stopped at P1 so I'm a bit behind
Yeah I'm definitely coming back to SoD to check out the new raids and dungeons, plus I can imagine there is some cool stuff planned for Naxx itself.
Ive have still been having alot of fun on SoD. It is hands down my favorite version of wow in terms of class design and play style. Hopeful for w/e Classic + could be in the future.
"Our game feeling buggy isn't a huge concern"
That quote from Aggrend is probably framed and hung in their office as a mission statement.
Sod is awesome !!! I can raid with my shammy ,it's not only warr and roque like vanilla !
I started SOD up again , I see players everywhere levelling up. Even in the starter zone you see a good 10-20 people . Within thousand needles I’ve come across multiple people wanting to group up .
Honestly been kinda bummed you haven't covered Season of Discovery as much, but I get not every version of WoW is for everyone. I hope it's grown on you and we get to hear more about it. :)
Is it too late to start SoD now? No chance to sort of catch up or not enough low level people to do group activities with?
I’d like to give it a chance. Thanks!
This change was literally so people could level alts easily. I'm not on SoD myself but I imagine yes its a fine time.
I never even got started in SoD but always thought it was a cool idea. Looks like now is my perfect chance to jump in
Hi Will!
I think I might try SoD!
I've been throwing myself at hardcore since the launch of the new servers but I'm starting to feel a bit burnt out from always being on edge. I was looking for something to casually play in between and I think you've convinced me to try SoD again
Started Sod again after the rune broker release and having a TON of fun. Highly recommend
We just get a a few of a specific buff each then coordinate amongst ourselves and pop them all right at the start. Usually I'll hold our boons for the last attempt, but most weeks everyone is fully world buffed and just stays booned.
I know that getting the runes automatically is huge, positive change. But it is kind of funny how if this is how SoD functioned from the beginning. What did this seasonal server give us at the end of the day? A couple retuned 5 mans into raids, and optional difficulty sliders for end game raids?
Like the point of season of discovery was supposed to be "discovering" these new runes, and it quickly became one the worst parts of the server. Very strange that at the end of the day we spent over a year on a server that promised new content, and the only truly new content we got was the dungeon in ashenvale and this upcoming scarlet raid. While this server was not bad by any stretch I think it was ultimately fairly underwhelming in retrospect.
It's crazy how Blizz just gets to enjoy infinite hype for their games, the loss of players shortly after the release of their products is not a result of "hype wearing off." It's cause their product is disappointing, it fails to meet expectations every single time but people still keep giving them chances, which is good, we want a good experience that's all we want.
If you want a good vanilla+ experience please for the love of god just okay turtlewow, it's higher quality, vanilla mindset content, and it's free. It's just a better vanilla product in every single way.
To be fair, they also did a ton of retooling and reitemizing in the game. Just a cursory look at the difference in set bonuses from vanilla to SoD will show you. I for one like how ele shamans actually had a set bonus that helped them rather than just the one set for resto.
While pve content wise you are somewhat correcty They did introduce stv pvp event, quests, completely revamped tier set bonuses, new items and new class/role combos.
SoD got a massive hit during P3 sadly, however it feels like it is recovering now.
I can’t speak for Turtlewow, but I did hear good things about it.
Yeah… I would definitely not recommend Turtle WoW. Fraction of the active players/raiders and you have to deal with playing on the worst client ever made in WoW.
I know some people don’t mind but after playing official for years, the quality of the client is a deal breaker for me and the add-on support just isn’t there for 1.12.
Turtle has never really improved the gameplay experience of the classes and balanced the meta like SoD did.
Not everyone is ignorant and willing to play on turtle wow. Shenna and Crogge ruined the scene.
I would play on Turtle again, but they didn't really changed classes enough and its a big deal breaker for me.
I just went back and finished leveling my mage, got all the runes and... There were so few dungeons being run so I couldn't get better gear to get into any raids. Of which there were pretty much only AQs going. Then they announced this, which I'm happy about but... What's the point if I can't do anything at 60?
I just created my first character on a SoD Server and it feels like a private server. A lot of WotLK spells at level 1 hahaha
Honesty SoD was a great idea and would have probably keep strong if they didnt make such a huge mistake with incursions and other crazy exp paths i think they got a lot of good ideas and feedback for classic+ in the furture but at this point SoD is only gonna last a few more months while i know 90% of the community will disagree i think they should just add dungeon finder for 1-59 dungeons at this point to get people who want to give it one last horah before the season ends to cap so we can try and get enough players to max to fill the upcoming raids
There is an LFG tool, but not an auto LFD system.
@@russellgarrettbaldwin3037VALKAMER???? Did not expect to run into you here, it’s Azmo lol
@@garretthunter2916 amazing! Howdy Azmochad.
You can still use Ring runes at lvl 1. There are some relatively cheap lvl 1 white rings u can buy from a vendor in booty bay.
I've been thinking about it I havent played SoD since Phase 3. Ran some Sunken Temple with the guild I was in a few times and then just quit. Namely because when I quit the new FFXIV expansion was right around the corner. What all is there to know thats changed or is new since phase 3? If someone could give me notes id appreciate it alot. Cause i have no idea where to even begin with getting back into sod.
As someone who never left SoD, I'm glad you see people coming back. WillE, you should try Ret twisting out! With the Draconic 2 and 4 set, it's better than tbc twisting!
Sod honestly has been banging since 60. The incursion thing was rough, but ST was a good raid with lots of fun bosses(I still say the slime boss is the best boss). The new optional mechanics for AQ are pretty cool. The constant class balance changes to keep all specs at least playable is great.
Would you say its too late to start leveling a character to do end game with?
no lol we still have months and months left of sod with at minimum 1 new raid (naxx) and possibly a surprise actual NEW raid so nows a great time id say
SOD is great now, its finally going into its final form after stupid level locked phases. AQ40 hardmode is dope, and Naxx is coming in few months, more people should hop on
I feel like you normally research your vids a bit more. You're usually the "I don't post as the news drop but my vids are always spot on" kinda guy. We have info on stuff like the Scarlet raid and Kara crypts. Couple of other things in here too I feel like could do with a bit more research too. Overall still an enjoyable watch tho. appreciate the content always :)
Instead of disliking the video, you should instead shake your WillE at the screen in frustration!
@@phantom0456 Thats funny :P for the record though I left a like on the vid. WilliEs content is generally great and I thought this one was too mostly :)
Damn just checked my old server. 0 active auctions
its just two mega servers now
You have to transfer your toons it’s free though
free transfers to the mega servers
Gotta love blizzard putting effort into Updating the game for like the last 3people left playing
For me ... I don't understand how so many people left SoD. I do get the Runes for Twins thing and that it's sad how they managed so far to not bring any new content in SoD. But I still really really like the more modern gameplay and the nostalgic raids, that you can clear in 1hr or less.
If they had just made the runes that required a group or extended amounts of grinding easier to solo in a reasonable time, I might have been interested, but I don't want to just be given a bunch of tools that make everything trivial.
I honestly stopped playing fresh to play SOD again. I don't think the fresh experience is there for a lot of people any more. Vanilla can only be fun for so long before you're raid logging, and the fact that warriors are everywhere, and there's only mages, priests and rogues taking up most slots and preparation. Meaning you're fighting for every little bit a gear if you *do* play any of those four, or if you're non-meta you're behind. Meanwhile SoD has a variety of class balance and meta picks. Play whatever you want. The only real issue is the leveling experience in SoD, but it is still very fast (I'm pacing at around 40-50 hrs to hit 60), and getting your feet on the ground.
What is the name of the addon that shows debuffs and their duration above mobs nameplate?
NameplateAuras
I logged in this morning and grabbed runes on my toons. Still have yet to get to 60 on any
Sod is actually feeling really good right now. Hopefully the new content they release is at least decent, could see it getting popular now with the runes all unlocked and some of the dope mounts and shit in the game
Completed the R14 Grind- PVP in SoD is fun but it’s essentially a who can delete who first game (or stop the other person from getting theirs off). Just about every class can be setup to hit really hard and 2-3 shot people consistently, so just pick your flavor. It’s satisfying pulling it off and infuriating when it happens to you cause you know the other guy is lmao-ing. Maybe less tact than true classic PvP, and more reaction time? How I’d describe it. I enjoy it more than I dislike it though.
This is what I wanted classic to be. Blizz missed the mark by 5 years 😢
Happily playing retail again now and no intention (nor time) to try out the new SoD. So I’m glad I have WillE to take me on a tour 😊
we ned a new bg its that simple
I stopped at lvl 40 due to not having alot of time to play, but this will absolutely make me come back and blast stuff with the new rune system up to 60, and if I find time, try some raiding
Literally just made a character on SoD when I heard Scarlet content, also runes being unlocked helps
The purchaseable world buffs are all available in IF/Org. They are expensive (50 commendations is 100 runecloth, which costs around 10g/stack atm). On the flipside, you can farm runecloth and sell it for around 10g/stack 😂
The WB items cant be booned, but are raid-wide when used. This oddly enough makes raids go much faster, as you end up having these buffs active for trash as well.
What is that UI that shows the debuffs and cast bar above the enemys head?
Rune vendor: Oh hey yknow how people went on and on about it is about the journey not the destination and that there should be world content for a season of DISCOVERY? Yeah we just want to get people to end game so here's a rune vendor, lol.
Talk about missing the fucking point.
The discovery has been done and over with for a while now, feel free to not use the vendor.
It's that Plus experience
anyone here on wildgrowth horde? kinda wanted to play horde but didnt wanna play on the pvp server. doesnt really seem like thats an option though
I am, we're like 25% horde to 75% alliance but finding a group is never an issue :)
The rune vendor was a big W. My alts sat broken with no desire to run around for hours grabbing all the runes i grabbed once already on my main. Now, i might actually play them 😂
I enjoyed all the class quests they added and had fun with the early raids. The whole incursion thing put me of. Also they added way too many abilties. Not only did it take the charm of simplicity that classic has it also felt way too close to retail in terms of design. At least for my taste. Im personally more on the "add maybe 1 or 2 spells and fix scaling on badly designed spells" side of things. Similar how turtle wow does it minues their new talents trees.
yeah i'm with you on this should have happened a while ago. This was a major thing for me, the run grind was dreadful. I didnt create or focus on alts much at all due to it. Now that it is gone, it is very tempting to go back.
we have more people coming to raid now than we ever have....phase 6 is by far the best end game sod has offered, with p7 and beyond looking even better
but what is going to happen to SoD characters??? that is the question ..theyve basically confirmed classic+ so with anniversary going into TBC etc, and classic era being permanent classic....classic+ confirmed...what is going to happen to SoD characters??? the only thing i can think is that they will be deleted or MAYBE possibility to Xfer them to classic era...but we need confirmation
Sorry but things like this irk me. 5+ years ago everyone was begging for time sinks and epic quest chains that were long and maybe hard but had a big reward. Then people got em and were like "nah gimme back my instant gratification"
PvP is much better than it was before but everyone is still complaining about shamans. They are the only class that is a tank dps and healer all in one with all their rune options and haven’t seen any nerfs all of SoD.
SoD never deserved the hate it got. It's such an amazing game mode.
I started lvling a priest with all the runes having blast with it
Got bored on Fresh and dove back into SoD, so much fun playing all the classic witu all runes at 1
I personally really enjoy SoD and have been playing non-stop since p1. It had it's rough moments especially in p3, but p4 and onwards were really enjoyable. I wish they wouldn't rush content so fast and would give it more time to breath. Pvp is not in a very good state though, shamans are boomies are 2 shooting people in bgs so that needs to be addressed.
"Won't have ring runes at level one." Did you forget about the rings you can buy from the Azeroth Commerce Authority
dark riders was horrible. But not as horrible us destroing economi and leveling on phase 3. Still couln't belive they did that
P1 was really fun and I enjoyed it with a guild I made, but felt like it lasted a bit too long and too many retail/other classic events lined up with the other phases of SoD and felt impossible to get back into after being behind. With the runes being available right away and increased xp maybe I can jump back in finally 👀Esp if it goes into 11.1 for retail since that goblin patch looks horrible to me.
I’ve stopped playing sod like 3 times because the runes were annoying af to get. This might get me to try it again.
Season of discovery is a small seed but a small seed can still become a big plant, in others words season of discovery has had some setbacks but its still building upp to classic+
its not retail its more like Wrath and CATA sorry to say buddy CATA and WOTLK are literally the start of most of the problems with retail
Been on sod since day 1 has its ups and downs but I’m happy to be a sod enjoyer.
Using starsurge as an example of what Blizzard did right has to be the most tone deaf thing WillE has ever put out in a video. The phase 2 Starsurge nerfs moved all the dmg over to starfire a 6% lower base crit rate and a 80% lower SP coefficient ability. The fact it took blizzard till Dec to finally pull the ability back to usable and skipping all the bad they did to the spec is insane. Sod deserved to be a failure because they refuse to listen to their player base and refused to do SM in phase 2 that they advertised to everyone who went to their LAST Blizzcon. Using Gnomer and Sunken Temple for P2-P3 is them digging their own grave
Of course after I cancel my sub 2 weeks ago and wording the rune questing issues as a big reason, they then make a change like this. While I don't have an issue with some runes being locked behind cool lore quests like the Night elf supremacist or the Death Knight, there just wasn't a lot of Runes to play with so the trek to unlock runes that weren't really like big build defining runes in my opinion just felt like a slog. Hopefully with the release of POE2s EA, if any of the blizzard devs are playing it maybe they can use the gem system to inspire new runes to revamp the Rune system to make up for the Retail borrowed power.
I’m like that SpongeBob mid where his eyes are crossed and one side is fresh classic and the other is SoD and I don’t know which to invest time in
rdf and you might interest me in sod. don’t enjoy running across the world for an hour just to realize i forgot to do something in the city i left an hour ago.
Thats classic friend, if u dont like it u have retail
@ sod isn’t classic bud. classic implies original version. sod is classic plus.
I wanted to get into SoD but the idea that all the work I'll put into it is temporary when the season shuts down always detered me from trying.
I get where you’re coming from. But I put a bunch of time into characters in classic which I’ve now been completely abandoned. I’ve gotten a years worth of enjoyment from my sod characters and I know there’s at least 6months to a year left of sod content. Don’t deny yourself enjoyment in the moment for fear of loosing characters years from now
Not gonna change anything. SOD is finished Blizzard killed it with nightmare incursions and also going super slow in the phases.
The main reason people on my server started leaving(including myself) wasn't the content of the game it was the community. So yeah unless all the dumbasses who were causing guilds to disband due to drama about Gnomeregan, of all things, quit the game I'm not coming back.
This is exactly why I left, so many toxic and selfish players. I have a feeling a lot of these are retail players too.
Doing a 1-60 solo speedrun with all the runes would super fun ngl, bet you could get insane XP/hour with a good aoe class set up like an ele/tank shaman or Hunter.
tbh, for me I didn't have a problem with the runes, i actually liked it, running around the world is part of WoW (imo), for me the reason why i quit SoD is becuase i had too much to do in other versions of WoW
Havent played SOD at all, is it too late to hop in?
No u can hop in any time
Enough Catch up raids and everything
3:17 that's the selling point to avoid the two games being similar level 1 runes and diversify it from classic 2024.
Only p3 had me pause playing SoD for a bit but that was fine, gave me time to enjoy Shadow of the Erdtree.
I would have preferred if you could unlock runes on one char that unlock the option to buy them from the vendor. So you can play your main and do stuff for other classes.
Sod is more like retail- than classic+. It's hilarious that there's people that still play it at all
Meh it really doesn't go past something resembling wrath
Its a test for classic+
The new content shows it's more classic than anything. The abilities we have can go up to cata at most.
You and anyone saying it's "retail-" will never be happy with any changes to the old vanilla that should've been fixed ages ago.
Sod has definitely made it impossible for me to commit to any vanilla server full-time now.
@@powercheifCata is waaaay too far imo. Even Wrath abilities shouldn't be in there.
I think classic has stopped with wotlk. I think a rework would be great, but it would require a lot of changes. Rewrite the whole story, redesign zones etc.. The most important thing would be to integrate the three expansions into one, so that the entire map remains relevant for all levels. Integration of the other contintents etc. later on.
closer to retail??? you’re ragebaiting
Having this video show all these changes in a positive light is worrisome
People still complain about shamans. For pvp no physical dps can touch a tank shaman, but casters can kill them. For pve tanks just complain if they aren’t a shaman, we got a lot of avoidance with HP. I sit at 8k with 112%avoidance with just my own kit, full buffs I have 15k hp with 118% avoidance 🙃 not to mention an additional 30%block on each shock; so I can be at a perm 148% avoidance. This is now why people complain about shamans.
It's totally legit. Not wasted effort anything they make now in SOD can be used in Classic + when that's ready. Especially they can tweak it so it's totally ready when that comes in. So pumped for actual content and Classic+ such as new raids!
Once I've finished to 60 and had some fun on classic I will park for tbc. As tbc was my only true interest as a Ret paladin. Classic classes and content are stagnant.
Could give sod a run if they add a new raid for sure!!
How can you say SoD is totally legit, but yet say you haven't really played SoD in the last sentence of your post? How bot are you?
I was obsessed then phase 3 flat out killed it for me
I gotvthe rune quest on my hunter to collect 3 bugs from stv, desolace and whatever it was. Did all the running. Turned it in. Didn't get the rune beeeecaaaauuuuse my inventory was full, and the quest was shitty scripted.
Usually quests take the quest item first, give reward second. Or check inventory space first, give reward second. This MFing quest gave reward first, took items second. With full inventory i didn't get the rune, and the three bugs were deleted. Made a ticket about it, argued with useless CS for 4 days and then almost quit SoD because i did NOT want to go collect the bugs again
I always knew people will come crawling back to sod from the fresh servers, imagine raiding mc again with 20 warriors and dealing no damage as a hybrid, not to mention all the 1 button rotations, yikes
It’s a real shame no one will see these changes because everyone has quit SOD.
Looks fun, but all my friends already ditched it to play either private servers or 20th. Not interested in playing alone until I find a group to play with. Feels like a desperation change by blizzard to get people back.