They actually did with those small mining buildings that take 30 seconds to clear. it takes about 20 seconds to get through the airlock - each way. So the smallest of buildings have a ridiculously long animation sequence - but the largest are just instant portals.
@@Wataheadable Those aren't loading screens though. The issue is these cells are separated with loading screens, you cannot have an animation to hide it if the entire game has to load a new scene
@@Fuar11 Dead Space did this with elevators many, many years ago. Starfield is outmoded, outdated technology that's crap and is still beat by an in-progress alpha development Star Citizen lmao
@@aydointergalacticcorporati698too be fair, Star Citizen has absorbed $600 M so far, which is triple Starfield's budget. But I don't think Bethesda have even matched a third of CIG's technical innovations. The creation engine seems mindbogglingly outdated.
@@ummerfarooq5383 Spider man, GOD OF WAR, ghost of tsushima, The last of Us, Zelda, Horizons zero dawn, Elder Ring, Demon souls, Dark souls, Bloodborne, Days gone, BG3, RESIDENT EVIL, GTA and more. REMEMBER STARFIELD are not gonna win a GOTY mark my words.
Do do you know that they have the oldest engine then cod like they haven’t even upgraded yet I heard a review about the game that talked about how that Bethesda still use this engine
It’s the engine. Creation is already based on Gamebryo, which is based on Netimmense, an engine from 1997. There’s only so much you can polish old tech before it can’t be polished anymore, and a jump to an all new engine becomes inevitable. And unfortunately, Bethesda is shooting themselves in the foot with Starfield, and they will do the same with TES6.
Interesting to see they're still using the engine the same way they have since the beginning. So weird, since it doesn't have to be this way. There's other ways to optimise things.
@@Fuar11 The engine has evolved over the years, much as the Unreal Engine has or any other. Separating scenes into different maps has the advantage of making it explicit to the engine that certain data is to be culled and not considered for simulation and rendering. That could easily be done within the same map, though, and it wouldn't surprise me if the engine has this capability. It seems more of a design decision than a technical one.
@@frozenpizza5242Imo it's not the presence of loading screens, it's the fact that going from one place to another...ie "travelling", literally what the game is all about, requires like 4 loading screens each time you do it. That's ridiculous and completely takes me out of the game. With some creativity, they could just use an animation as a hidden loading screen in most scenarios to help with immersion, but the current model is really dated
Because it is still running on Gamebryo - renamed and modified, but it still carries the same limitations, including the fact it needs to separate exterior and interior cells, otherwise the engine would try to melt your GPU down. On top of that, it loads exteriors on a cell basis, so exteriors also have loading screens, just hidden from you by pre-loading. Engine is also the reason why you won't ever see major crowds of NPCs in this game - Gamebryo and its derivatives really do not like handling multiple NPCs at the same time.
Says Gamebryo, what he really meant was NetImmerse. Which was rebranded to Gamebryo for Oblivion, which was rebranded to Creation for Skyrim. Of course, these are heavily modified and updated, but, at the end of the day, there is a lot of stuff it seems from the 90s still at the core of the engine.
I wish they'd gotten a better engine and taken a year or two (or five) longer before doing this. All the loading screens are pretty much unavoidable with this one.
That means expending more money in deveploment thing they're not going to do, they love that fanboys still buy their games even though their playing lazy and safe on purpose, so they expend less and earn more while they sell you the same product with a different coat paint, all with minimum effort they just need Todd Howard to tell lies and overexaggerate the game. At this point, people who trust in Bethesda are masochists, their engine is more than 10 years old that's why they carry so many problems. And guess what, they're probably going to do the same with the next Elder Scrolls game, mark my words.
Problem is whenever Bethesda do decide to go with a new engine, they're gonna have to develop it in-house. Because there's basically nothing else that can even support this type of game in 2023. They can't use Unreal for games like this. Unreal is an absolute dumpster fire of an engine when it comes to making open world games, always has been.
@@jodofe4879 Star Citizen is multiplayer, thing that makes it more difficult even, but they could reduce the scope of Starfield so they could make a better game, smaller but more dense and with more details basically. Is a waste of resources going for 1000 planets when we don't have yet the technology to make that possible. It doesn't have to be like Star Citizen in deveploment time, depends on scope, etc.
thank you Todd all we need is more loading screens Add please loading screens while i have a loading screen Or maybe loading screen every 10 seconds, that would be perfect
To be honest the landing and takeoff cutscenes are an easy fix. There's a bug where during landing for example the camera stays in cockpit, so it's entirely possible to make certain sequences feel more "seamless." It was clearly an artistic choice rather than a technical one.
I disagree with the landing a takeoff cut scenes, in fact a lack of landing a take off cutscenes would break immersion, since there is a no seamless takeoff. What is bad is the fact that take off isn't a tactical loading screen, literally the animation does absolutely nothing. You have to watch the animation and the endure a loading screen. Doors could be connected to an animations which is hidden behind a loading screen as well. Sure, some loading screens are fine, but what's bothers me is how short they are, some are no longer than 3-4 seconds and could have easily been an animation. Loading screens are needed, and pretty much every game you play has them. It's just some games hide them better than others.
Immersion kills the gameplay. You might feel excited for the few seconds you control the ship to take-off / land for the first time. But repeating it is tiresome and boring. Look at EVE-online. Having to manually jumps 30 systems because of such so-called immersion is tiresome and waste of time.
@@Bazzookie Not easy fix if the fix you mentioned is to let the player control the ship to take off while the system load/unload scenes in the background. Simply because all that loading/unloading processes would interfere with the frame rate, making the user's control irresponsive and stutter.
@@davidmoloney3401 You can't never have a consistent timing across all range of devices. For devices that are powerful enough, your 3s animation would be an eternity. For devices that are not powerful enough, your 3s animation would end way before the loading is completed. So what then? Frozen animation or rinse and repeat? The bad aspect of using animation as loading screen is that animation is not obvious signature for loading. People would be confused if such animation goes on for too long, wondering whether the game has bugged or hanged.
that's not the problem you utter m0r0n. even when a video points it out you can't understand. it's because they're not able to do streaming, they can only load instances
I noticed this in photo mode, every possible detail that could be loaded in while I was in space combat was loaded in, no space saving tricks or cutting out textures that aren't visible
it would have been better if you had to open the landing bay manually (using the airlock as an exuse and there was an invisible loading screen while it opens, it would be more immersive and more realistic at the same time, and you would actually feel like you are the one in charge of the ship, instead of it opening on its own everytime you land
If this game doesn't signal the death knell of Bethesda's pet game engine, I don't know what will. They've been stagnant for far too long. I actually decided not to buy Starfield when I watched the trailer and recognized no fewer than five animations that I've been seeing at least once a year since 2011 when I first played Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
If a game engine still thinks Windows XP is the new hotness, 7200 rpm HDDs are considered groundbreaking and using more than 4 GB of system memory sounds outrageous; you have your answer.
Except it requires an SSD and even with one it still takes longer for an area that's vastly less detailed than one in Cyberpunk does when I fast travel. Even older games boot up insanely fast on the SSD. Starfield is the only one that actually still has similar load times to HDD's these days, when everyone else has configured their tech to allow true open worlds with few to no loading screens.
For me the worst thing of the game is the focus on fast travel combined with an absurd amount of loadscreens. In an open world setting you form a relationship to your surroundings and get to know certain parts very naturally. This feeling of discovery and just the fact that you travel through the world is nonexistent in Starfield. You can’t even walk through the main city without feeling like you‘re accessing different bubbles of content. It‘s not fluent and not immersive. It‘s so sad since I really can enjoy the game in certain parts. + Many games with a budget way smaller can do this. Bethesda needs to change their engine.
Feel like everytime a company has seen succes, their products become less and less good every release, if gta 6 is not gonna have improvements over gta 5 then all my hope is really gone, lets hope they can restore some of it cuz it is the only game im buying on release since at least 10 years.
Loading screens are immersive to real life. ...what do you mean not everyone blacks out as they exit a vehicle or enter a building? C'mon guys, give em a break, it's not like they're experts or have access to any resources, it's a startup indie dev. [OR] C'mon guys, they're with Microsoft now, they're making this for Xbox which can't take advantage of great loading times like certain competitors. Of course they'll still have loading screens.
I really do feel like some of the long loading screens are to cover low- and mid-tier hardware. Even on my admittedly aging gaming PC the non-animated loading screens (looking at you, un-skippable tram scene in New Atlantis) are barely noticeable with the game on dedicated NVMe.
@@richdikeman4402 Loading times are almost entirely dependent on the speed at which your storage device can read data. Some games will disguise loading screens as cutscenes to ensure that assets are loaded even on the lowest-end supported hardware if it's part of the game experience, but the duration of a fade-to-black loading screen will typically be dependent on the speed of your storage device and is (typically) not hard-coded by the developers.
hmm. There have been games that have come out that shows how to hide loading screens. And even cell generation loading, as in the game doesn't have to keep a city and its NPCs loaded in. Heck Cyberpunk 2077 was able to keep an immersive feeling from the start only loading screens you ever got to see was when you fast traveled, or did something major in the story. Also... hate to bring up... No man's sky, Starmade, spacebourne... Have figured out a way to make an interesting into atmosphere loading screen that cannot be counted as such. But I am sure it was too much work for Bethesda to make a few extra controls or allow the player to fly in the ship in atmosphere. like the prior games mentioned allowed you to do.
Because it is easier to shove a loading screen on the player than making a cell within a cell, and animations for these transitions. Its just simple as that.
As someone who was really excited for this launch and then very disappointed, I'm wondering how many people feel the same. I think when the general public's reviews come pouring in tomorrow it'll give some insight on how people feel.
I feel like I'm almost being gaslit by the early reviewers that I'm supposed to be happy with what we got... Either that or a mass psychosis and I've played every single fallout and elder scrolls so I knew what I was getting into. Maybe I'm just burned out.
I don't want to be a dick, but you really should have seen this coming. Bethesda have been banking off the Skyrim formula for over 10 years without demonstrating any willingness for change or innovation. What were you expecting?
TBH, people still being excited when they've been doing the same shit for over a decade, down to the same engine, is part of the problem, and part of why they're not owned by microsoft and so never going out of business.
@@ThatsLeoYKnowliterally space engineers did everything except movement better, and that one runs on a Havoc engine, wich struggles to handle what the game is capable off
I felt the same way after putting some hours into this game but at the same time I also have to say, it's our own fault. We fell into the hype looking past at the fact that this game was never gonna be the next massive space exploration game that a lot of people seem to think Starfield was going to be.
They probably did a really great job here based on the gaming engine they use. But man if it isnt also making it crystal clear that the engine is OLD than I dont know what will. It's really impressive, the game should feel like one of the state of the art - kind of games out there but surely doesnt feel or play like that. The performative expectations where definitely oversold but I still think its a good game, I enjoy it. The developers definitely had to work with limitations like that it needs to work on xbox
Self imposed limitations. The only person forcing Bethesda to continue using Gamebryo engine is Todd. He's too lazy and stuck in his ways at this point to allow them to take the time to properly update the engine, like Infinity Ward did for the IW engine for MW 2018, or switch to an entirely new engine. It'll never happen while he's with the company though, because he'll always hide behind the excuse that there's no reason to switch engines because fans like the games the way they are, and it's easy for them to mod since they're familiar with it. In reality, Todd just doesn't want to do the work of learning a new game engine after spending his entire career working with this one. It would actually force him out of his comfort zone and make him have to re-evaluate a lot of his outdated game design ideals. I can't believe he actually played this game in 2023 and thought they could release it and get critical acclaim when it looks and places like a game from last gen at best.
The reason they implemented so many loading screens is because you can interact with all the objects in the world. If they didnt add physics to all those objects that you can pick up and throw etc, they wouldnt need all those loading screens.
Can they really not create some sort of proximity based loading, it's not like the engine's code is inaccessible? Leaving the ship isn't even a matter of loading stuff but unloading which I assume can be done in the background. There's actually a mod which eliminates some of the loading screens even though it makes some of the loading visible. Some of the loading screens seem slightly longer than needed.
Even breath of the wild barely has any loading screens, you can only get loading screens from fast travel, launching the game and after a cutscene. And botw came out like in 2017.
Someday someone will make star citizen space with bethesda ground with a vibrant economy. It will be my forever game. Ill probably be dead or 80 when it happens…
This why I didn't even get it. The whole PT of a space game is for the immersive xp wich this game doesn't have because of the amount of loading screens.
after 2 weeks not gaming this game, i only remember the 1000 black loading screens, its already all some minutes, this is totally trashy in backflash thinking, is there a mod that fix this ?
btw the screens are just 2-3 secs, but its destroy the gaming flow >.< , 1000x 2-3 screens of doing nothing, its like showing a movie with ads all 2-3 minutes, this is really trash, i wouldn't have thought that this would be the only thing that I would really consider worthy of criticism afterwards, but in the end it just spoiled the fun for me
The actually could have hidden the ship entering animation by making you climb up and the hatch opening slowly, untill its fully loaded which then it opens faster. There i just did your job bethesda now give me todd howard's role
All I’m saying is even Cyberpunk didn’t need to incur loading screen during the ENTIRE game when loading new areas (fast travel doesn’t count, I mean on foot or car), even on release. It was also made on an outdated engine that was used for the Witcher games.
RED Engine wasn't outdated. The continually updated it during the production of CP2077, and did up until they dropped it for UE5 last year. Ray tracing, Path Tracing, and tons of other tech that literally didn't exist when the Witcher was built and released was integrated into the engine, and it's an utter shame that they're dropping it for UE5 because it's one of the most impressive proprietary engines in the industry at the moment. Hell, just look at loading screens. The Witcher 3 still needed loading screens when going to different areas like the Skellig Isles wheras other than fast traveling or transitions in the story Cyberpunk has next to no loading screen. I could count them on both hands.
@@brandoncooper2909 Yep, engines are updated and iterated through the course of years. It's not a static thing like some might think or that every new game needs a new engine.
I wouldn't care about the incessant amount of loading screens if not for that atrocious system requirement. Like seriously, why the fuck does the game need system requirement that high when literally every room/building is locked behind a loading screen, just like before 2010? There's not even that many NPC to begin with. And that Toddler dude has the gall to tell us in the face it's our fault the game doesn't run smoothly.
I think another reason why Beth won't change their engine is that the game would lose modders' support. See all those mods on Nexus? Those are made by by guys who pre-ordered the premium addition. And they are so familiar with the frame work of the Gamebyro / Creation that they can start work almost immediately like fixing bugs, doing optimizations etc. A brand new engine always has a learning curve. For BGS, it is their job and they are paid to do so and to learn. But for modders it is a passion project, if the engine changes too radically or require too much time to learn, there is a very high chance they call it quits.
actually - the very most of current mods are just .ini edits, textures, console bats and reshades. No need to know much about engine for this. So vast majority of modding society, who actually know engine and can do literal magic - not even started to work. Hope they will when besezda will release modding tools or modding support or what modders waiting now.
I've noticed that running starfield makes my pc go way hotter than running cyberpunk which doesn't make much sense as cyberpunk outshines starfield graphically in every way.
This game as a whole was something I really was looking forward to all year but after spending 3hrs with tons of loading screen I gave up. Bear in mind my loading screens are fast AF for me on my fairly beefy rig - like split seconds most of the time but when I really look at this game, It is just loading into small zones after small zones. A space game like this should be seamless and open world with curated material scattered around. Instead, its a vast network of small zones that requires loading after loading for the player to bounce around the game which ruined it for me Personally.
Doing everything seamless with the level of complexity of quests and amount of features in a Bethesda game with current hardware sounds crazy. No Man Sky does it seamless because it is much more simplistic graphically, feature wise and the planet’s procedural generation is frankly shit. Starfield compromised seamlessness for more complexity that is required in an RPG. Like imagine, dropping fast from space into a building through a window with all the cluttee with physics, interactable NPCs, complex geometry etc while also loading the position of the clutter you left behind. It is taxing. With No man sky the game got incredible dull once you get used to seamless take off. The procedural generation and stuff to do in it , questing, interactable physics objects etc doesn’t come anywhere close to Starfield. But NMS instead has the cool seamless taking off. Everything cool has a compromise somewhere for games nowadays. Starfield put it priorities elsewhere. As expected they care more about classic Bethesda questing and roleplaying.
I completed the game good story, good ship building, good details, okay-ish combat system (I don't really care much but some think its bad), bad outpost system, bad travelling system, bad UI system. Overall a 5 out of 10 game, can compete with other big games but not the best of all unless they improve it significantly.
@IsaacSpurlock How about instead of what I expected from a gameplay perspective.. let's talk about just two basic expectations. AI that doesn't track through walls like aimbot, that's TOO basic of a thing to be missed in 2023. Ai doesn't get stuck because they're tracking through walls. Them getting stuck and refusing to engage enemies because they're staring at an ikea shelf makes me want to eat my own teeth. It's too constant and is totally game breaking for me. It's worse than the cyberpunk drop.
I am not eligble for the refund for some reason. I checked at 3 hours of playtime and I could only remove it from the account with no refund. @@Wong3jo
i bought a REALLY good gaming laptop with this game in mind. my loading screens are like less than 5 seconds no matter where i go. Even travelling to other systems and planets only takes like a second. The loading screens are fine as long as you have a computer that can handle such a hefty game. my Desktop would probably go up in flames if i tried to run tis game on it
@@sugarflame1833 I have 3050ti and I'm running 1080p ultra settings on my laptop no worries. And loading screens will be less if the game installed to the ssd
They didn't want to make the animations too lazy 😂...remember the first reveal trailer and it showed the MC climbing that ladder in the ship....what happened to that TODD
@@MaMastoast When that technical limitation has been in your games for decades it might as well be a lack of interest in fixing anything and just releasing the same stuff over and over with a new coat of paint, they also didnt bother fixing a ton of bugs for the Skyrim rereleases so...
@@pinnacleevolution1634 Saying that its laziness implies that the person who shouldve done something didnt feel like doing it and chose not to.. That is almost certainly not the case here... We are not lacking smooth transitions into our spaceships because anyone is lazy, we are seeing it because A) Making a game is incredibly difficult and changing engine is a daunting task and B) Corporate greed dictates that as long as their games sell, its not worth the risk. I think starfield is a very flawed game, held back by an old engine, but the issue here is not the developers being lazy.. infact, it may be more resource intensive to work within these limitations.
I would love it but this absolutely killed it for me. Not to mention there is no point of even having a ship when I can just fast travel from the menu. I was incredibly disappointed with how small the cities are too. And to get from one to another I have to go through 8 loading screens. Its a disaster.
Its still funny because they had a lot of opportunities to hide a loading screen behind an airlock sequence but they didn't
They actually did with those small mining buildings that take 30 seconds to clear.
it takes about 20 seconds to get through the airlock - each way.
So the smallest of buildings have a ridiculously long animation sequence - but the largest are just instant portals.
@@Wataheadable Those aren't loading screens though. The issue is these cells are separated with loading screens, you cannot have an animation to hide it if the entire game has to load a new scene
@@Fuar11 Dead Space did this with elevators many, many years ago. Starfield is outmoded, outdated technology that's crap and is still beat by an in-progress alpha development Star Citizen lmao
@@aydointergalacticcorporati698too be fair, Star Citizen has absorbed $600 M so far, which is triple Starfield's budget. But I don't think Bethesda have even matched a third of CIG's technical innovations. The creation engine seems mindbogglingly outdated.
Even funnier considering there are already airlock sequences in the game
"16 times the loading screens, it just works."
Name me a game better than starfield
@@ummerfarooq5383 Spider man, GOD OF WAR, ghost of tsushima, The last of Us, Zelda, Horizons zero dawn, Elder Ring, Demon souls, Dark souls, Bloodborne, Days gone, BG3, RESIDENT EVIL, GTA and more.
REMEMBER STARFIELD are not gonna win a GOTY mark my words.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 I see cyberpunk ain't in ye old tavern list.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 All completely different genres of games lmao... you're comparing apples and oranges.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 lmao, all of those games aren't even comparable to Starfield in terms of scope and scale.
Once again, it seems that Bethesda is still far behind what the modders have already done. 😞
They're 20 years behind modders, considering Morrowind uses the same ancient engine.
Do do you know that they have the oldest engine then cod like they haven’t even upgraded yet I heard a review about the game that talked about how that Bethesda still use this engine
Modders can't save this. The system requirements are already so high
It’s the engine. Creation is already based on Gamebryo, which is based on Netimmense, an engine from 1997.
There’s only so much you can polish old tech before it can’t be polished anymore, and a jump to an all new engine becomes inevitable. And unfortunately, Bethesda is shooting themselves in the foot with Starfield, and they will do the same with TES6.
@@Aggrofool Modders can better optimize the game, they’ve done it for all Bethesda’s titles.
Interesting to see they're still using the engine the same way they have since the beginning. So weird, since it doesn't have to be this way. There's other ways to optimise things.
People keep buying their shitty games so why would they change?
@@cinifiend people keep buying their games because they make actual good games and not overhyped interactive movies.
Using the engine the same way or using the engine altogether? The engine has limitations
@@Fuar11 The engine has evolved over the years, much as the Unreal Engine has or any other. Separating scenes into different maps has the advantage of making it explicit to the engine that certain data is to be culled and not considered for simulation and rendering. That could easily be done within the same map, though, and it wouldn't surprise me if the engine has this capability. It seems more of a design decision than a technical one.
@@frozenpizza5242Imo it's not the presence of loading screens, it's the fact that going from one place to another...ie "travelling", literally what the game is all about, requires like 4 loading screens each time you do it. That's ridiculous and completely takes me out of the game.
With some creativity, they could just use an animation as a hidden loading screen in most scenarios to help with immersion, but the current model is really dated
Because it is still running on Gamebryo - renamed and modified, but it still carries the same limitations, including the fact it needs to separate exterior and interior cells, otherwise the engine would try to melt your GPU down.
On top of that, it loads exteriors on a cell basis, so exteriors also have loading screens, just hidden from you by pre-loading.
Engine is also the reason why you won't ever see major crowds of NPCs in this game - Gamebryo and its derivatives really do not like handling multiple NPCs at the same time.
1997 game engine
It's more because of memory bottlenecks and many cells will "fry" your CPU not GPU.
So basically Bethesda is too lazy to replace the same engine as fucking Skyrim
so they make poor choices. Who would've thought. I MIGHT get this 80% off in a few years. meh.
Says Gamebryo, what he really meant was NetImmerse. Which was rebranded to Gamebryo for Oblivion, which was rebranded to Creation for Skyrim.
Of course, these are heavily modified and updated, but, at the end of the day, there is a lot of stuff it seems from the 90s still at the core of the engine.
I wish they'd gotten a better engine and taken a year or two (or five) longer before doing this. All the loading screens are pretty much unavoidable with this one.
That means expending more money in deveploment thing they're not going to do, they love that fanboys still buy their games even though their playing lazy and safe on purpose, so they expend less and earn more while they sell you the same product with a different coat paint, all with minimum effort they just need Todd Howard to tell lies and overexaggerate the game.
At this point, people who trust in Bethesda are masochists, their engine is more than 10 years old that's why they carry so many problems.
And guess what, they're probably going to do the same with the next Elder Scrolls game, mark my words.
Problem is whenever Bethesda do decide to go with a new engine, they're gonna have to develop it in-house. Because there's basically nothing else that can even support this type of game in 2023. They can't use Unreal for games like this. Unreal is an absolute dumpster fire of an engine when it comes to making open world games, always has been.
And that is how you get Star Citizen and well over a decade of development time.
@@jodofe4879 Star Citizen is multiplayer, thing that makes it more difficult even, but they could reduce the scope of Starfield so they could make a better game, smaller but more dense and with more details basically.
Is a waste of resources going for 1000 planets when we don't have yet the technology to make that possible.
It doesn't have to be like Star Citizen in deveploment time, depends on scope, etc.
@@yewtewbstew547So why is Unreal not suited for open world games?
thank you Todd all we need is more loading screens
Add please loading screens while i have a loading screen
Or maybe loading screen every 10 seconds, that would be perfect
and so what? people will still buy it and cope its great game as its bethesda :D
@@Rastamanjungle let's just thank them for ruining the industry
The curse of Sonic 06 strikes again...
Yo dawg, I heard you like loading screens so I put a loading screen in your loading screen.
Todd Howard is en par with Cris Roberts and Peter Molynaux, their shine long gone and still talking shit as if they make the games
Lmao NPC's still have chests like in Skyrimmmmmm
All these loading screens and the landing and takeoff cutscenes breaks the immersion.
To be honest the landing and takeoff cutscenes are an easy fix. There's a bug where during landing for example the camera stays in cockpit, so it's entirely possible to make certain sequences feel more "seamless." It was clearly an artistic choice rather than a technical one.
I disagree with the landing a takeoff cut scenes, in fact a lack of landing a take off cutscenes would break immersion, since there is a no seamless takeoff.
What is bad is the fact that take off isn't a tactical loading screen, literally the animation does absolutely nothing. You have to watch the animation and the endure a loading screen.
Doors could be connected to an animations which is hidden behind a loading screen as well. Sure, some loading screens are fine, but what's bothers me is how short they are, some are no longer than 3-4 seconds and could have easily been an animation.
Loading screens are needed, and pretty much every game you play has them. It's just some games hide them better than others.
Immersion kills the gameplay. You might feel excited for the few seconds you control the ship to take-off / land for the first time. But repeating it is tiresome and boring. Look at EVE-online. Having to manually jumps 30 systems because of such so-called immersion is tiresome and waste of time.
@@Bazzookie Not easy fix if the fix you mentioned is to let the player control the ship to take off while the system load/unload scenes in the background. Simply because all that loading/unloading processes would interfere with the frame rate, making the user's control irresponsive and stutter.
@@davidmoloney3401 You can't never have a consistent timing across all range of devices. For devices that are powerful enough, your 3s animation would be an eternity. For devices that are not powerful enough, your 3s animation would end way before the loading is completed. So what then? Frozen animation or rinse and repeat? The bad aspect of using animation as loading screen is that animation is not obvious signature for loading. People would be confused if such animation goes on for too long, wondering whether the game has bugged or hanged.
It looks a lot like they just didn't have animations for moving from area to area.
that's not the problem you utter m0r0n. even when a video points it out you can't understand. it's because they're not able to do streaming, they can only load instances
More like, they haven't figured out yet how doors work.
wrong its so the outside area doesnt disrupt the new area and vice versa
@@Michael-ro7uobecause ancient creation engine cant handle it
@@Michael-ro7uoyeah, for the ps2 games this might be true
I noticed this in photo mode, every possible detail that could be loaded in while I was in space combat was loaded in, no space saving tricks or cutting out textures that aren't visible
And bethesda fan boys scream it’s a true next gen game. “Eyes roll”
it would have been better if you had to open the landing bay manually (using the airlock as an exuse and there was an invisible loading screen while it opens, it would be more immersive and more realistic at the same time, and you would actually feel like you are the one in charge of the ship, instead of it opening on its own everytime you land
even with ssd ,rtx 40 series this game still struggle alot which doesnt makes any sense since its looks outdated af
If this game doesn't signal the death knell of Bethesda's pet game engine, I don't know what will. They've been stagnant for far too long. I actually decided not to buy Starfield when I watched the trailer and recognized no fewer than five animations that I've been seeing at least once a year since 2011 when I first played Fallout 3 and New Vegas.
because bethesda is still bethesda. Have you people forgotten that skyrim was exactly like this? that's what they know how to do. Skyrim 2.0
Fallout 76: 16 times the details
Starfield: 16 times the loading screens:
Fallout 5 or Elder Scrolls 6: 16 times the crashes
Man, I'm sad because they will butcher TES VI and it will be probably my last one. 😢
Hope they learn with starshit and don't destroy the franchise that made love their games😢
If a game engine still thinks Windows XP is the new hotness, 7200 rpm HDDs are considered groundbreaking and using more than 4 GB of system memory sounds outrageous; you have your answer.
Actually, it's horribly optimized and uses a massive amount of RAM
@@fortnite.burger you clearly don't understand what ram is then because a game is supposed to use as much of it as you got spare lol
Except it requires an SSD and even with one it still takes longer for an area that's vastly less detailed than one in Cyberpunk does when I fast travel. Even older games boot up insanely fast on the SSD. Starfield is the only one that actually still has similar load times to HDD's these days, when everyone else has configured their tech to allow true open worlds with few to no loading screens.
Because Beth's devs are the masters of incompetence
OMG they still put vendor inventory under the floor... What a bunch of tools ! At least code them to be invisible in retail , non-debug mode.
Better for the player to exploit it. 😂 Skyrim wall glitching still works.
played it on series S , so many loading screen and yet still stuttering and crashed. nicee
I can't believe they still keep the vendor storage underneath the buildings in the cell. That's wild.
Well considering that they left the dev room with every item in the game in fallout 76 I think it might be incompetence lol
Remember downtown Boston in Fallout 4?
That's why.
This game interiors are clinically depressing.
The game itself is not garbage, but for me, doesn't worth playing. Overhyped game
For me the worst thing of the game is the focus on fast travel combined with an absurd amount of loadscreens. In an open world setting you form a relationship to your surroundings and get to know certain parts very naturally. This feeling of discovery and just the fact that you travel through the world is nonexistent in Starfield. You can’t even walk through the main city without feeling like you‘re accessing different bubbles of content. It‘s not fluent and not immersive. It‘s so sad since I really can enjoy the game in certain parts. + Many games with a budget way smaller can do this. Bethesda needs to change their engine.
*SIXTEEN TIMES THE LOADING SCREENS*
Ah yes. Creation engine. Can generate and simulate a thousand floating potatoes but not a simple crowd
I still have nightmares from Fallout 3 I saved inside a building once and had to roll back my save quite a few levels I was stuck inside the building.
Feel like everytime a company has seen succes, their products become less and less good every release, if gta 6 is not gonna have improvements over gta 5 then all my hope is really gone, lets hope they can restore some of it cuz it is the only game im buying on release since at least 10 years.
Looks like they went back 40 years to the 8bit computer games, that were divided in a hundred screens or rooms
Loading screens are immersive to real life.
...what do you mean not everyone blacks out as they exit a vehicle or enter a building?
C'mon guys, give em a break, it's not like they're experts or have access to any resources, it's a startup indie dev. [OR] C'mon guys, they're with Microsoft now, they're making this for Xbox which can't take advantage of great loading times like certain competitors. Of course they'll still have loading screens.
I really do feel like some of the long loading screens are to cover low- and mid-tier hardware. Even on my admittedly aging gaming PC the non-animated loading screens (looking at you, un-skippable tram scene in New Atlantis) are barely noticeable with the game on dedicated NVMe.
@@richdikeman4402 Loading times are almost entirely dependent on the speed at which your storage device can read data. Some games will disguise loading screens as cutscenes to ensure that assets are loaded even on the lowest-end supported hardware if it's part of the game experience, but the duration of a fade-to-black loading screen will typically be dependent on the speed of your storage device and is (typically) not hard-coded by the developers.
hmm. There have been games that have come out that shows how to hide loading screens. And even cell generation loading, as in the game doesn't have to keep a city and its NPCs loaded in. Heck Cyberpunk 2077 was able to keep an immersive feeling from the start only loading screens you ever got to see was when you fast traveled, or did something major in the story.
Also... hate to bring up... No man's sky, Starmade, spacebourne... Have figured out a way to make an interesting into atmosphere loading screen that cannot be counted as such. But I am sure it was too much work for Bethesda to make a few extra controls or allow the player to fly in the ship in atmosphere. like the prior games mentioned allowed you to do.
Because it is easier to shove a loading screen on the player than making a cell within a cell, and animations for these transitions. Its just simple as that.
They wanted to show off how fast the loading screens are by adding a loading screen to an alredy loaded cell
Starfield is hot garbage.
literally. A plate of garbage they put in the microwave for 5 minutes
Bro just wait 3 years for patches and Dlcs 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
now i feel what the real fans feel like about this game. They are so disappointed 😢
As someone who was really excited for this launch and then very disappointed, I'm wondering how many people feel the same. I think when the general public's reviews come pouring in tomorrow it'll give some insight on how people feel.
I feel like I'm almost being gaslit by the early reviewers that I'm supposed to be happy with what we got... Either that or a mass psychosis and I've played every single fallout and elder scrolls so I knew what I was getting into. Maybe I'm just burned out.
I don't want to be a dick, but you really should have seen this coming. Bethesda have been banking off the Skyrim formula for over 10 years without demonstrating any willingness for change or innovation. What were you expecting?
TBH, people still being excited when they've been doing the same shit for over a decade, down to the same engine, is part of the problem, and part of why they're not owned by microsoft and so never going out of business.
@@ThatsLeoYKnowliterally space engineers did everything except movement better, and that one runs on a Havoc engine, wich struggles to handle what the game is capable off
I felt the same way after putting some hours into this game but at the same time I also have to say, it's our own fault. We fell into the hype looking past at the fact that this game was never gonna be the next massive space exploration game that a lot of people seem to think Starfield was going to be.
I'm not going to lie, I love Skyrim and Fallout 4, but I can't have the mental strength to play Starfield, I've already tried 3 times
"it just loads"
I hope they will do something with that for Tes 6
They probably did a really great job here based on the gaming engine they use. But man if it isnt also making it crystal clear that the engine is OLD than I dont know what will. It's really impressive, the game should feel like one of the state of the art - kind of games out there but surely doesnt feel or play like that.
The performative expectations where definitely oversold but I still think its a good game, I enjoy it. The developers definitely had to work with limitations like that it needs to work on xbox
Self imposed limitations. The only person forcing Bethesda to continue using Gamebryo engine is Todd. He's too lazy and stuck in his ways at this point to allow them to take the time to properly update the engine, like Infinity Ward did for the IW engine for MW 2018, or switch to an entirely new engine. It'll never happen while he's with the company though, because he'll always hide behind the excuse that there's no reason to switch engines because fans like the games the way they are, and it's easy for them to mod since they're familiar with it. In reality, Todd just doesn't want to do the work of learning a new game engine after spending his entire career working with this one. It would actually force him out of his comfort zone and make him have to re-evaluate a lot of his outdated game design ideals. I can't believe he actually played this game in 2023 and thought they could release it and get critical acclaim when it looks and places like a game from last gen at best.
The reason they implemented so many loading screens is because you can interact with all the objects in the world. If they didnt add physics to all those objects that you can pick up and throw etc, they wouldnt need all those loading screens.
Can they really not create some sort of proximity based loading, it's not like the engine's code is inaccessible? Leaving the ship isn't even a matter of loading stuff but unloading which I assume can be done in the background.
There's actually a mod which eliminates some of the loading screens even though it makes some of the loading visible. Some of the loading screens seem slightly longer than needed.
I genuinely expected it to have zero or almost instant loading screens. I do like the game, but that’s super annoying in 2023
It only loads in the exterior of ship if your inside..
Why is there a box in the ground? Did the devs forget to delete it, or is that how NPC vendors handle their inventory?
That shit is from elden scrolls games.
Quest items shop items pretty much everythink in location is stored there
Creation Engine.
YO even star citizen got this nailed down
Even breath of the wild barely has any loading screens, you can only get loading screens from fast travel, launching the game and after a cutscene.
And botw came out like in 2017.
Someday someone will make star citizen space with bethesda ground with a vibrant economy. It will be my forever game. Ill probably be dead or 80 when it happens…
This why I didn't even get it. The whole PT of a space game is for the immersive xp wich this game doesn't have because of the amount of loading screens.
The console codes are literally the same as skyrim's lol
Watching my video card memory usage, it's like 7gb.. out of 24?? No wonder I need so many loading screens.
Garbage optimisation despite all this
😎👌
Because it’s a super old game engine. It can’t do both interiors and exteriors or your OC would explode
You've been Morrowind'ed
lol didn't Todd say this was a next gen game? Yeah.... um, I don't think so, Todd!
They clearly have different meaning of “next gen” than us 😂
after 2 weeks not gaming this game, i only remember the 1000 black loading screens, its already all some minutes, this is totally trashy in backflash thinking, is there a mod that fix this ?
btw the screens are just 2-3 secs, but its destroy the gaming flow >.< , 1000x 2-3 screens of doing nothing, its like showing a movie with ads all 2-3 minutes, this is really trash, i wouldn't have thought that this would be the only thing that I would really consider worthy of criticism afterwards, but in the end it just spoiled the fun for me
The actually could have hidden the ship entering animation by making you climb up and the hatch opening slowly, untill its fully loaded which then it opens faster. There i just did your job bethesda now give me todd howard's role
its still 16 times the detail xD
They cba to make the animation for the ladder too get down
All I’m saying is even Cyberpunk didn’t need to incur loading screen during the ENTIRE game when loading new areas (fast travel doesn’t count, I mean on foot or car), even on release. It was also made on an outdated engine that was used for the Witcher games.
RED Engine wasn't outdated. The continually updated it during the production of CP2077, and did up until they dropped it for UE5 last year. Ray tracing, Path Tracing, and tons of other tech that literally didn't exist when the Witcher was built and released was integrated into the engine, and it's an utter shame that they're dropping it for UE5 because it's one of the most impressive proprietary engines in the industry at the moment. Hell, just look at loading screens. The Witcher 3 still needed loading screens when going to different areas like the Skellig Isles wheras other than fast traveling or transitions in the story Cyberpunk has next to no loading screen. I could count them on both hands.
@@brandoncooper2909 Yep, engines are updated and iterated through the course of years. It's not a static thing like some might think or that every new game needs a new engine.
I wouldn't care about the incessant amount of loading screens if not for that atrocious system requirement. Like seriously, why the fuck does the game need system requirement that high when literally every room/building is locked behind a loading screen, just like before 2010? There's not even that many NPC to begin with.
And that Toddler dude has the gall to tell us in the face it's our fault the game doesn't run smoothly.
Its to feature the amazing SSD of the ps5! wait its not available on ps5.
Bethesda style since Fallout 4 i guess .
0:59 Dawnstar chest ptsd
So exiting your ship isn’t even a loading screen. Strange
LOL !
War, war never changes. Neither does Bethesda's engine.
Because its Fallout 4 with a Star Citizen Mod 🤷🏻♂
there is so much loading they could probably por this shit even to nintendo switch
Because the people who made it have no idea what they're doing?
cause is running on a antedeluvian engine
Is this related to why it's so poorly optimized that even high-end GPUs don't get good frames on 1440p?
I think another reason why Beth won't change their engine is that the game would lose modders' support.
See all those mods on Nexus? Those are made by by guys who pre-ordered the premium addition. And they are so familiar with the frame work of the Gamebyro / Creation that they can start work almost immediately like fixing bugs, doing optimizations etc.
A brand new engine always has a learning curve. For BGS, it is their job and they are paid to do so and to learn. But for modders it is a passion project, if the engine changes too radically or require too much time to learn, there is a very high chance they call it quits.
Lazy.
In other words: lazy, and rely on modders to do dev works and fix bug and put out optimization patches.
actually - the very most of current mods are just .ini edits, textures, console bats and reshades. No need to know much about engine for this. So vast majority of modding society, who actually know engine and can do literal magic - not even started to work. Hope they will when besezda will release modding tools or modding support or what modders waiting now.
Hey, at least the loading screens don't drag out for over 30 seconds.
and this is why it feel so empty
I've noticed that running starfield makes my pc go way hotter than running cyberpunk which doesn't make much sense as cyberpunk outshines starfield graphically in every way.
Next gen game everyone, let's gooo....follow the hype train :v
This game as a whole was something I really was looking forward to all year but after spending 3hrs with tons of loading screen I gave up. Bear in mind my loading screens are fast AF for me on my fairly beefy rig - like split seconds most of the time but when I really look at this game, It is just loading into small zones after small zones. A space game like this should be seamless and open world with curated material scattered around. Instead, its a vast network of small zones that requires loading after loading for the player to bounce around the game which ruined it for me Personally.
There's no way any pc could ever dream to do such a thing before the release of ps7 (or xbox).
Doing everything seamless with the level of complexity of quests and amount of features in a Bethesda game with current hardware sounds crazy. No Man Sky does it seamless because it is much more simplistic graphically, feature wise and the planet’s procedural generation is frankly shit. Starfield compromised seamlessness for more complexity that is required in an RPG.
Like imagine, dropping fast from space into a building through a window with all the cluttee with physics, interactable NPCs, complex geometry etc while also loading the position of the clutter you left behind. It is taxing.
With No man sky the game got incredible dull once you get used to seamless take off. The procedural generation and stuff to do in it , questing, interactable physics objects etc doesn’t come anywhere close to Starfield. But NMS instead has the cool seamless taking off. Everything cool has a compromise somewhere for games nowadays.
Starfield put it priorities elsewhere. As expected they care more about classic Bethesda questing and roleplaying.
@@codesavei9613if only people understood this instead of just parroting their favourite TH-camr who has zero knowledge about game development.
So this a triple A from a triple A company 😂🤷🤦
Then again this has to run on consoles with toaster Cpu's so i kind of get it
😂
That was vile
A 2023 game huh
I completed the game good story, good ship building, good details, okay-ish combat system (I don't really care much but some think its bad), bad outpost system, bad travelling system, bad UI system. Overall a 5 out of 10 game, can compete with other big games but not the best of all unless they improve it significantly.
I'm so wildly disappointed in this game. This was the first game I pre-ordered in a long time and fuck me if it didn't still bite me.
Boos and hisses.
i heard you can still refund it regardless of playtime if you do this before the official release date.
What did you expect?
@IsaacSpurlock How about instead of what I expected from a gameplay perspective.. let's talk about just two basic expectations.
AI that doesn't track through walls like aimbot, that's TOO basic of a thing to be missed in 2023.
Ai doesn't get stuck because they're tracking through walls. Them getting stuck and refusing to engage enemies because they're staring at an ikea shelf makes me want to eat my own teeth.
It's too constant and is totally game breaking for me. It's worse than the cyberpunk drop.
@@IsaacSpurlockit comes down to this: when you go buy a burger and fries, and they give you cricket burger and no fries, advertising it as real meat.
I am not eligble for the refund for some reason. I checked at 3 hours of playtime and I could only remove it from the account with no refund. @@Wong3jo
Because otherwise even with this average graphic it would run as shit...
Answer, they dont need it, they are lazy and sold a 10 years old engine game as it was something awesome and innovative
If I had to take a guess, that loading screen is for adding companions from the ship to the player.
Nope, it’s interior cell to exterior cell, the engine can’t handle to put these two groups seamlessly together
i bought a REALLY good gaming laptop with this game in mind. my loading screens are like less than 5 seconds no matter where i go. Even travelling to other systems and planets only takes like a second. The loading screens are fine as long as you have a computer that can handle such a hefty game. my Desktop would probably go up in flames if i tried to run tis game on it
What gpu? My laptop has a 3070 and I’m wondering if I can cna run it
@@sugarflame1833 I got a 3060rtx. I have a lenovo Legion 7s. 32 gb of ram, and a ryzen 9 5900hx
@@sugarflame1833 I have 3050ti and I'm running 1080p ultra settings on my laptop no worries. And loading screens will be less if the game installed to the ssd
@@sugarflame1833 Minimum is a 1070 so you will be completely fine, im using a 1660ti
So called next gen game
bethesda needs to stop making games until they can understand modern gaming engines.
Cry about it
They didn't want to make the animations too lazy 😂...remember the first reveal trailer and it showed the MC climbing that ladder in the ship....what happened to that TODD
There is a ladder climb animation, you just need to add an extra level to your ship.
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Its not laziness, its technical limitations
@@MaMastoast When that technical limitation has been in your games for decades it might as well be a lack of interest in fixing anything and just releasing the same stuff over and over with a new coat of paint, they also didnt bother fixing a ton of bugs for the Skyrim rereleases so...
@@pinnacleevolution1634 Saying that its laziness implies that the person who shouldve done something didnt feel like doing it and chose not to.. That is almost certainly not the case here... We are not lacking smooth transitions into our spaceships because anyone is lazy, we are seeing it because A) Making a game is incredibly difficult and changing engine is a daunting task and B) Corporate greed dictates that as long as their games sell, its not worth the risk.
I think starfield is a very flawed game, held back by an old engine, but the issue here is not the developers being lazy.. infact, it may be more resource intensive to work within these limitations.
I HATE loading screens.
Hilarious.
You guys paid how much to play a game developed in Gamebryo from 1997 ??
Lazy devs
its a real shame that the game cant render the whole map at once or at least make solid transitions but i still love the game
I would love it but this absolutely killed it for me. Not to mention there is no point of even having a ship when I can just fast travel from the menu. I was incredibly disappointed with how small the cities are too. And to get from one to another I have to go through 8 loading screens. Its a disaster.