Most Questionable Moments & Decisions Made By The Challenge Production Over The Seasons Pt1
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- MTV The Challenge has been on the air since 1998, has over 37+ seasons, and has over 500+ episodes. Of course there would be some moments in its history that would make the audience question what really happened or if there was some tomfoolery. Bananas won 7 seasons without any help? Was Ashley's Final Reckoning win legit or a matter of production wanting the next big iconic The Challenge moment? And don't get me started on The Challenge 37 format.
Is there another questionable moment you had when watching The Challenge? Let me know down in the comments and I might talk about it in Part 2!
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Camila being allowed to stay and win the season after he racial tirade against Leroy is the first thing that come to mind.
Facts it don't matter if your blacked out drunk you've had those resentments and feelings towards African Americans for a long time
I mean it was dirty 30 lol whats dirtier then a racist doing racist shit and then winning some money while not apologizing for it
@@jaelquezada1205 she becomes Ann Coutler 😂😂😂
Cry
It still makes me mad how she was able to win after going on a lividly racist rampage. If ANYONE said one thing that she said on the show now, they would be kicked off immediately.
That spit incident is still crazy to this day. The most disrespectful act aside from hitting someone is spitting in someone’s face. David took the high road and still went home. Puck shoulda had his face broken right then and there.
I totally had forgotten about it. but absolutely
It's also illegal to do that to someone, I'm still mostly shocked everyone took pucks side lol altho after what david did on the real world..meh, no one deserves but assualtd buuuuuuut lool
David actually spit in puck face after when they were filming the intro
Literally can’t even watch this season half the time because this part just drives me insane
@@thebrogressiveagenda9936 I mean fair is fair, I would always say rise above but who can blame him, I don't like David but if I was him I still probably would have just punched pick or something n went home lol
One thing that always bugged me is the inconsistency of when players are kicked off. For example, Sylvia head butted Marie and nothing happened, Fessy (who I don’t love but still) basically just face palmed josh and got kicked off…
The DQ system for the show has literally never made sense and it’s always been crazy annoying
That headbut was so baffling especially after she said something like they know we're friends so it's fine. I feel like they kept her because Cara Maria was her teammate, she had just won the previous season and was fueling drama with Kyle and Paulie.
Yeah, they have never been consistent with it. I think sometimes they are more likely to get rid of someone if the incident was small but they feel like a liability. Tony and Camilla were kicked off Rivals III due to fighting but they never actually got physical.
In recent seasons they do seem to be a little more trigger-happy about DQing people, though. I think they've learned it's best to air on the side of caution. Especially since viewers are a lot more vocal when they feel producers let things slide.
Favoritism
Jasmine and Anastastia too! Why weren't they removed?
What makes joss/ Sylvia case even stronger that they deserved the win is they were the only team that stayed in the main house all season
Even tho Sylvia honestly should’ve gone home for head butting Marie
I’m not a fan of David but that spitting incident is absolutely insane. Puck should’ve been gone immediately, regardless of wtf his friends in the house wanted; it just sets a really bad precedent. MTV has a history of simply not doing right by its black cast members when they’re (for lack of a better word) attacked. It really looks even worse 20 years later.
My number 2 on weird production decision (behind David getting spit on) was the challenge letting CT come to the Duel 2 pretty much immediately after his brother was murdered… and then surprise surprise the guy with anger issues who is now dealing with death in his immediate got drunk and snapped. Then afterwards the Challenge goes out their way to make CT a pariah when it should’ve been very easy to avoid if the challenge actually showed empathy beforehand and revoked the invite and instead offered him free grief counseling
Agree, it's absurd that they allowed him on the show at the time. They were setting him up to get some good "angry CT drama" instead of looking out for his and the entire cast's best interests. I feel the same about when they allowed Devin back right after his dad passed for drama with Bananas, but at least they knew Devin isn't likely to punch someone.
Not to mention sticking him on a season with his recent ex. I'm not sure the history but I do know that to participate you now have to pass a psych evaluation. I don't believe that requirement existed then (I can't imagine CT passing in the state he was in).
Yes! Plus he and Diem ( God rest her soul) had just broken up. CT came in already heated and MTv said let's throw lighter fluid on this dumpster fire 🔥
Racism surrounding the David and Puck situation. I'm not surprised that johnny was using Adderall during rivals 3 because during the toxic JEK era it was said that people were using steroids as well.
EXACTLY! And how the let Camila stay and win her season too after her racial rant against Leroy. And many more examples.
@@evunee facts
Johnny should have NEVER been able to come back after the Adderall was found. He was literally using drugs (not his) to win and yet... still gets the title, the money, and gets to come back over and over?? That makes a lot more sense why Sarah never came back.
Eh Adderall isn’t that bad considering that production doesn’t test the players for steroids, which overall would give you much more of an advantage than Adderall.
@@CoNiCuZnthat's like saying "eh cocaine isn't as bad as heroin so it's kinda ok" it doesn't matter. He literally used Adderall to cheat and just got a slap on the wrist which is bs
What I will say about Final Reckoning is that it gave us the Paulie vs. Kyle storyline and I think MTV really missed out on making them partners on a rival season. It could’ve been like another CT vs. Adam arc.
I would live to see Paulie without Cara. I think it would be entertaining.
@@amandajohnson9096 I mean we kinda did this season of Challenge USA but he didn't last long. Sad because he was way more likable than his first 3 flagship seasons and he made it stupid far everytime.
I’ve always questioned why Sylvia was allowed to stay after head butting Marie (in final reconning). We’ve seen people go home for doing less
The daily challenge where contestants had to jump from car to car while it was raining, and Cara Maria was also lubed up. Like how do you not see that this was a bad idea?
Yeah that absolutely should have been done in dry weather. There's a little bit of cushion time in the filming schedule where they could have adjusted their scheduled day off and worked it so they weren't jumping in the rain. It wasn't shocking Leroy got hurt, it was shocking he was the only one to get badly hurt. I cringed that entire challenge.
The part where Zach broke the back windshield with his chest and then climbed back on the car was nuts.
I was ALWAYS pissed about the Bananas/Sarah “win” and now I’m even more mad about it. He cheated, got caught and still was able to take all the money. Like WTF is that BS. Agree that Joss/Silvia won their season.. when rules are vague that means someone in production wants the win to go a certain way.
I've rewatched all the seasons & I always skip that finale bc of Bananas stealing that money & the fact that production clearly wanted it to happen. Sarah said in that interview that no one on the crew would even look her in the eyes the days leading up to it - like, everyone knew that's what they were doing. The fact that Production wanted to keep the whole Adderrall thing quiet is proof that still allowing him to win afterwards was CRIMINAL!
Hearsay
Let me see. A friend fucked up you in a season, and after that, in another season you fucked up this "friend" much, much harder in revenge. Some time after that, this "friend" do an interview saying that you cheated... Oh no. Not suspicious at all.
And TJ said on the interview about the Jenny win that the Challenge is never about showing favorites lol what a joke
I believe it was on their Brain Candy podcast (or maybe Patreon) where Sarah said that they had a meeting at the network and basically decided to let bananas keep the money and win because they thought he would be more litigious than Sarah.
That Final Reckoning rant though. Well deserved. I have not rewatched that season and I like how you brought up the redemption house twist, that was horrible.
MTV The Challenge has a real bad problem with racism 😕 and it really shows
in rivals 2 when anastasia slapped CT multiple times and was not only not kicked off but TJ made a joke of it during her elimination that night
To be fair CT deserved the slaps. He used her, slept with her to make Diem jealous, treated her like meat having her spin for "the boys" so he could brag about fn her. Also they prbly even asked CT and he let it go because he knew what he did. 😂 Not a great CT moment for sure.
@@myTERAexperienceyou don't get to physically attack somebody because they hurt your feelings. Not defending what CT did but that doesn't mean he "deserved it"
@@devin_so_devious sure it does. If he didn't production would have kicked her off. Even TJ Lavin didn't like her with his comment about her, so if it was not deserved and TJ disliked her, she would've been removed from the game.
The slaps were the least he deserved. I can tell by your comment you've never been in a similar situation on either side of heart ache so you don't get it, and I hope you never do. Love can hurt and it was clear she had feelings for CT.
@@myTERAexperience not how that works. I can dislike someone And not want them to be assaulted. I can dislike my employees but I don't just fire them. TJ doesn't make that decision. CT let it go so production let it go. Doesn't make it ok
@@myTERAexperience you don't know what I've been through. It's called maturity hopefully you get there one day
the challenge 35 rumor seems to have been debunked because Jenny said that she lost the path and Bananas helped her get back on the path, or else Bananas would have blown by her.
can you talk about Rivals 1. It sucked how Kenny and Wes was 1st at the end of Day 1 ahead of Bananas and his partner and they had a 40 minute lead. Then was only given and 1 minute head start on Day 2. Totally rigged.
Yes and they only "beat" Wes and Kenny by less than 2 minutes so had they been given a five minute lead it could have made all the difference
For part 2 you should include the kayliegh issue from vendettas. When they threw her stuff over the balcony. They should’ve been gone for that 🙄
Uggg. That was so bad. It's also hard not to notice that Kayleigh was a black woman. I don't particularly like her but it was a terrible look for the show.
Exes 2 is the best redemption house concept. The earlier you got beat the harder it was to get back in the house. Not some clunky waiting game until the house fills b4 they compete.
The Challenge 37 final was the worst of all, Tori got robbed so hard i think even KC knows she didnt deserve that win
I’m not the biggest tori fan but she was the clear winner that final. That was gonna be her win for sure. I felt really bad for her
Season 21, Rivals. Kenny & Wes were like 45 minutes ahead of Johnny & Tyler but their head start was watered down.
There’s also 2 other theories that I personally don’t believe.
In Dirty 30, CT wasn’t in the first purge but came in the next episode. People say that CT’s passport wasn’t expired and production was scared CT would lose immediately.
And in Invasion, people think Nelson actually beat CT but production wanted CT to win so they gave him the win
Agree with season 21, that was awful, a 2 min head start after everything on day one was BS!
The true Invasion Conspiracy: The winner of the first part of the Bloodbath wasn't given immunity from the elimation becuase the producers knew Shane was going to win the Daily and was scared he would dust CT in the swimming heavy final. Honestly you can put an Astrik next to CT last 4 wins.
@@jessepaiz6356 that’s probably the worst theory I heard, from the concept that Shane would beat CT in a swimming heavy final.
I personally do believe Nelson won but it was CT's comeback season and Ashley (another "rookie") won and there's no way they were gonna have two rookies win a season called Invasion of the Champions. And yeah Kenny and Wes 100% win that Rivals Final if their huge monster of a lead is damn near cut to nothing smh
I love a Drew rant video.
It was heartbreaking to see some of my favorites backup Puck after spitting on David. I wonder how they felt after Puck f**ked up their stuff. David was dealt a terrible deal on almost every MTV show he appeared.
I think the reasoning why they voted against David is because they viewed him as aggressive(at times he was other times just passionate). As well as him having issues with substance
Thank you so much for bringing up the spitting incident between David and Puck. I can still recall feeling bad for David in the midst of that episode when it aired. Production seemed to cave in to the popularity vote that was favored by the remaining cast, and I can't help but assume that the cast would've had NO problem calling for David's exit had he spit in Puck's face on camera. With that said, I glad that David at least got a chance to redeem himself on the most recent Homecoming season with his LA castmates.
One incident that bothered me was how horrible Sam McGinn was treated by her San Diego teammate Frank Sweeney on the finale of Battle of the Seasons season 23. Understandable, the possibility of losing money can cause people to get heated and get verbal (Zach Nichols), however, shoving someone into the ground (Frank) because they aren't going fast enough is despicable. The reunion show hardly did anything to vindicate Sam, and I was turned off by the leniency that production seemed to have toward Frank. I think things might've been scoped differently had it been Zach, CT, Bananas, Jordan, Leroy, or any other (hetero) male that touched Sam in that way.
Don't even get ur head in a tizzy about the Puck-David situation. If Camila could get away with racism in recent seasons and still win, then how do u think racial matters were handled on mtv in the late 90s and early 2000s?
I Completely Agree with the Comments about Camilla!! Not Only Should She Have Been Kicked Off for the Leroy Incident, She Should In NO WAY HAVE WON!! SHE WOULD NOT EVEN SHOW HER FACE AT THE REUNION!! SHE SHOULD BE FIRED FROM MTV ALL TOGETHER, Just Like DEE!!! DO BETTER MTV, BE BETTER!!
The JEK - Tonya situation comes to mind
I believe the reason for the mercenary twist on Fianl Reckoning was they wanted to put all these Bannanas enemies into the house with him, but didn't want to do it all at once, where they could all gang up on him early. The problem with sticking Hunter-Ashley and Cory-Darrell(Cory orginal partner) in the house early is that Johnny completely outgunned and probably goes home much earlier in the season. That's why it's funny when Johnny complains about that twist, becuase it was designed to protect him.
The mercenaries twist on final reckoning was BS. Especially with Cory and Devin when it’s heavily rumoured that production rigged the elimination for them to win themselves into the game. And the redemption house format was such bs. Like paulie and Natalie was in the redemption house from episode 3 til near the final and lost so many eliminations but got to stay? Made no sense
natalie paulie lost 3 times. tons of teams lost 3 times. Brad/Kyle lost 3 elims, Kam/Kayleigh got purged twice and lost an elim, Da'vonne/Jozea lost 2 elims and got purged, Bananas/Tony lost 2 elims, Nelson/Shane lost 2 elims and a purge, and Natalie Paulie won two of the hardest eliminations of the season, they earned their place back in unlike a Devin/Cory or Ashley Hunter who just show up fully refreshed halfway / 3/4 of the way through
season 36 nany picks kyle as her partner instead of ct basically givjng ct a free ride to the final and letting him win
That was a mistake on Nany’s part not a production mistake or controversial decisions
All their shit getting fucked up by Puck after they defended him so hard against David, when Puck was in the wrong anyways. Sweet karma.
That David and Puck spitting incident is pure RACIST! David is black while puck and the cast(most of it)were white. WHY WAS THAT SO HARD TO SEE? Matter of fact watching the past episodes,some of the fan favorites were racist,sexist,and arrogant. It's crazy how the cowardice and favoritism of certain cast members hindered the show. They chased away the athletes and invited the sleaze balls
I'm a new watcher of The Challenge and the blatant racism, sexism and misogyny is quite disturbing. Even the host displays bias. I enjoyed season 36 because of the diversity of the finalists. However season 37 was back to the Ole boys club. Also my question is why do they cast such small and unatheletic ROOKIES? It's very obvious that the show is pandering to the mainly YT vets!
It was super racist. Even if it wasn’t … spitting on somebody is still ASSAULT like come onnnn
Nobody liked David not even on his own season.
I love the way you talk about Final Reckoning. Sylvia and Joss were my favorite in that season and my heart was broken for them. That elimination when Kyle spun Natalie had me shaking. How is that a fair mm/mf elimination. If they hadn't won that would have been a bigger deal!
That was soooooo hard to watch, poor girl
idk but the most sus moment of all time is ashely and hunter reaction when they " won " it was so fake , i never believed it xD
I think there should be a separate video about the disgusting amount of racism and sexism that some of the competitors have gone through. MTV has a history of being very racist. I mean, it all started with Michael Jackson, and the cycle continues later on to the whole Leroy and Camilla situation. And the way they tried to apologize right after Leroy shared his side of the story but they could’ve done and said something when it first happened. Also, the JEK alliance is toxic AF. I remember, watching the Island season 15 or 16 and the sexist rants of Johnny and Kenny was just unbearable to watch. I’m surprised that Bananas is still on and people respect him. The company needs to do better.
I know in the Inferno 2, there was a lot of controversy over Julie and her team switching the vote based on what the other team said and that caused a lot of disagreements. It was a loop hole but I still think that it should have been addressed as to why it was allowed. There's also the elimination match with Nelson and Fessy. Fessy should have been disqualified from that elimination after throwing sand in Nelson's face and all that. Even Nelson called him out on that, if I'm not mistaken. Another questionable moment is the fact that the men cheated on Battle of the Sexes. The girls would have won if they had knocked their puzzle over but the guys decided to cheat and use their puzzle to win...after that, literally every season showed the teams or individuals knocking over their puzzles so no one else could cheat. There are several others as well but these are the ones that I could think of right off the top of my head
I never understood why everyone was so upset in Inferno 2. Watching it live I saw it coming. Every single week , the losing team would vote the player into the Inferno first. I assumed it was an advantage.
@@teemyoutube2066 Everyone knew that the losing team would go first in the nominations. Where it gets tricky is that, to my understanding, they didn't have to tell Dave Mirra their answer before hand. Now, if they had told Dave that they wanted Tonya and then at the nomination ceremony they said Veronica, then I would understand the controversy but Julie found the loophole around the nominations and Veronica and Rachel and that team got upset that they got outsmarted by Julie
Re The Battle of the Sexes and the men cheating - that was the first season I watched and it's the only final I remember to this day. I also recall that the men decided early that whoever was on the bottom of the point ladder would be eliminated and everyone agreed to that. Clean and fair. Perform or go home. But the women were totally political - protect your friends and eliminate your enemies. If I recall correctly, the women's leader was named Ellen and she was beautiful, smart and had lots of endurance. I also don't remember seeing her ever again.
@@nelsonhemstreet3568 The cheating aspect I was referring to happened during the finals when the women built their puzzle and didn't knock it down. The guys then went over to the women's puzzle, took it apart, and built their puzzle becuase they didn't know how to solve their puzzle. The women made a huge deal out of it and totally understandable too because following that season, the majority of the time that there was a puzzle involved in a final or during a challenge, people started to knock it down if they could. Not always but I think that's what triggered them to start doing that
@@kimmiek2006 You are correct. That's exactly as I recall it too. I guess the girls did not think that the guys would or could do that.
I will always remember when Kam and Paulie faced off in an elimination. Paulie had so many tension ropes tied to him, he couldn’t even reach the destination that the whole game revolved around. Meanwhile, Kam was barely even trying to get to her objective and crushed Paulie. I was cool with it cuz I couldn’t stand Paulie, but it was still a ripoff for him. As a competitive person, my blood boiled for him.
I find Final Reckoning so frustrating! It feels really long, the redemption house imbalanced, the mercenaries in unfair, and the final is all over the place. I understand some people like the drama that happened, but it's not enough for me to enjoy. Too frustrating for me to rewatch
First thing that comes to mind is Camilla being able to stay in the house and then win after her racist rant and physical attacks. Which is why I never believed MTV when they said they believe that black lives.
I mean you still watched even with all the racism cries so it's a no big deal situation for mtv.(justice for innocent chauvin, read the autopsy).
I feel like if a part two is ever done then Camila in Dirty 30 ABSOLUTELY should be brought up because, even though I don't know the full side of Leroy's story, what I do know is absolutely awful and should have resulted in Camila being sent home.
I'm here for the final reckoning slander, such a poorly done season top to bottom. I'm glad they didn't call it Rivals 4
The worst part about the Kaycee decision, was that there was literally no point in watching anymore. The winners had just been shown. At all times in a final, it should feel like multiple people could win, that was a done deal at that point and the competitors knew it too. 😩
I love these types of videos!
FR was a very flawed season…like the redemption house format was so bad. Natalie and Paulie should’ve never made it as far as they did.
Agreed I have no idea why they didn’t just send them home when they lost redemption. It was done so much better in Dirty 30.
Natalie and paulie hold the record for most elimination losses in one season 😭
I like redemption houses but the way they were handled in FR was really bad
@@lauracocklin7093 you realize Brad and Kyle also lost 3 eliminations that same season right? Kam and Kayleigh got purged twice and lost an elimination, Da'Vonne Jozea got purged and lost two eliminations, Nelson Shane lost multiple elims, etc it was literally just the format.
Yeah, I agree. Final Reckoning was the last season I watched in full and it was a mess. Plus, playing a final in stages makes it so easy to fake the winner.
I agree with everything you said. Production rigged the show for who they want so many times, it's so disgusting. So many people were robbed their wins. I don't really like Tori but she won that season 37 finale, KC got handed the win. The season 35 (Total madness) wasn't a paire season, there was suppose to be 1 winner, Jenny won that finale all the way, they just made 2 winners because Bananas was second, if it was anybody else other than Bananas, Jenny would have been the solo winner. It was the closest he ever come to winning since season 28, I think production knew that if he had lost this time again after coming this close, he would have had a breakdown and probably retire forever. People use to joke saying that he was cursed sincere stole the money from Sarah, that's why he never won ever since. The Ashley/Hunter win was definitely rigged because they wanted someone to stole the money. Final reckoning had the worst, most unfair format ever, a total shit show.
Same with Vendettas and Zach.
IMO if the Total Madness winners had been Wes and Jenny or CT and Jenny, no one would have even questioned it. People just don't like Bananas and think any time he does well it's rigged for him 🙄
Lmaooo it starts with questionable decisions then turn in a final reckoning rant video love it lmaoo
Mercenaries battle against Zach and Amanda( both suck and we’re dumb in this position) was definitely for the mercenaries, especially because they had to beat two teams in a row and only won by 1 each time because they locked one of the tags on the line. It was said that even after the elimination, it wasn’t able to be yanked down. It had to be cut down.
Sylvia headbudding someone and staying like wtf
I haven't watched the most recent seasons bc I didn't like that it had turned into the Johnny Bananas show. I don't think he was the ratings draw that MTV believed him to be.
In that vein, I could easily believe the Total Madness scripts were written intentionally vague bc they wanted the flexibility to decide based on the finalists what to do. I also believe the Rivals III format of one partner getting to decide to keep or split the money was an 11th hour decision when they realized they could milk more drama out of Sarah and Johnny. Sarah's not my favorite person but she got SCREWED that season.
Also, Sarah's Adderall accusations didn't come out years later. If you watched her content, she said immediately after the final aired that he had pills. She literally only showed up to the reunion bc it was a contractual obligation and they could have refused to pay her the season fee if she skipped it (all cast members get paid to be on the show, the amount is based on how many seasons you've done). She's been done with The Challenge since then bc of how badly they screwed her.
I never liked banana’s either! He only ever became relevant because people like The Miz, Abe, Theo, Darrell, Shane, Landon and Timmy and whoever else im forgetting stopped doing the show cause to be honest if all of them competed when he was he NEVER would have won!!!
Before even watching, I’m going to mention Emily, as a kid growing up I originally had the biggest crush in the world on her. Then I saw the season of Ex’s 1 where she did black face and had no remorse… I STILL CANT BELIEVE SHE WAS ABLE TO COMEBACK FOR MORE SEASONS!!!
I think she has learned from it as she talks about how ignorant that was on an interview with Mike Lewis but who know s
@@x0xEmmaxRockzx0x only one can hope
One of them's gotta be the All Stars 2 Finale. They edited out so much, kept the audience in the dark, and rigged it for MJ and Jonna to win when Darrell and Janelle had it in the bag. Very frustrating choices by production
“There’s no favorites” awww TJ that’s so cute 🎅
I’ve just caught up on the last like 10 seasons I’ve missed and watching it all at once like that, they absolutely work this show around Johnny Bananas. I’m curious how much he gets paid even when he doesn’t “win”
Last i checked it's 60k per episode. 🤯 often more than winning nets the other contestants if he makes it far enough. 10 episodes... 600k... for being a prick... 😮💨
Season 20, production made the three last place people pick the teams and also didn’t make it a snake draft. It was pretty unfair.
Season 22, when Vinny & Sarah won into the power couple, Vinny ripped Mandi’s top off and was kicked off along with Sarah. However they still let Vinny & Sarah vote in Wes & Mandi which was confusing and even worse when Wes & Mandi went home.
Omg is that why I can't find a single copy of that season (22) n any pirate site, I've been looking for YEARS ..only season I've never seen
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@@katslayter4533 they have s22 on CTV. It’s Canadian so I believe you would have to use VPN to watch. But it has ads which is annoying.
@@dcrane8804 thank u for suggestion but I just don't think I can be bothered to figure out how Vpns work n I don't have any any money in debit account worth hacking n stealing 🤣
@William James Sidis that's pretty smart, I suppose I'm gonna have to give In n figure it out I guess lol
The music when David is talking😭😭
Sarah being booted for her partner when someone else had just been saved from that
Yea i never understood that either! Some people got replacements or to stay while others didnt, how is that fair?!
One thing I can't believe you didn't mention about Final Reckoning is how unfair the eliminations were. "Equalizers" were just randomly thrown in. Natalie&Paulie VS Kam/Kayleigh, Natalie/Paulie were given an incredibly unfair equalizer that prevented Paulie from even moving with the bands. Flash forward Natalie takes on brad and kyle in a very physical and dangerous elimination - no equalizer. Then they take on two men again (bananas/tony) no equalizer. Kudos to Natalie for winning both of those, but still incredibly unfair.
Part 2 ideas:
- Camilla/Leroy
- As much as it pains me to say, allowing Leroy to play Rivals 1 with his friend Mike doesn’t make a ton of sense
Also video idea: the history of head starts in finals compared to how far teams were ahead (Wes and Kenny in rivals 1, team UK In WOTW2 for example)
So, the history of one partner DQing has been inconsistent but it all comes down to alternates. Every season they include a few alternates that get flown to location .
If someone loses a partner and there's an alternate that makes sense to sub in, they do it. How early into the season it happens matters too, I think. Normally they only sub in at the very start of the season bc the alternates don't stick around the entire time. My guess is that Mike and Dustin were an alternate team for Rivals so Mike was ready to jump in. If there isn't a possible sub, both people go home. It's why Sarah has been DQed twice through no fault of her own and Leroy has lost 2 partners but still been able to play (the 2nd time bc Theresa had only recently been eliminated in Ex's II so she was still there). It sucks, but it's whatever makes most sense for production bc DQing a whole team in the first episode or 2 changes the plan for the rest of the season.
Paulie and Natalie losing 3 times then going to the final made me dislike how cocky Paulie was
Johnny shouldn’t have been allowed to win when drugs were found. Camilla should also not have been allowed to keep going after the Leroy thing. They are both disgusting.
Always on challenge like reality shows or certain reality shows where you need to vote someone out of the house or even like bad girls clubs production always plays favorites or fake and plan drama
The bananas adderall cheat was ridiculous how did they not dq him on the spot when the adderall was found.
I understand your criticism on final reckoning! But for me I love the chaos and mess of the season it’s just so funny and ridiculous to me.
I was not a fan of David, but the way he was treated after being spit on was baffling. Production not giving Puck the boot was infuriating and OBVIOUS bad call. So bad it was as offensive as the assault.
In “Rivals” when Wes dumped soda on Cara’s head and everyone else joined in on the making fun of her, but when Laurel came out to stick up for Cara and put everyone in their place, then it was a problem.
Also hate how in “EX’s 2” when Nia (for messing with Jordan) got disqualified and they didn’t disqualify Leroy. But back in the first “EX’s” they eliminated Sara because of her partner (Vinny) getting into an altercation with someone, yet they allowed Leroy to stay and brought back Theresa who was already eliminated..
Ridiculous some of the things the contestants have gotten away with in the earlier seasons..
Laurel is ROTTEN. Remember what she said to Big Easy in the hot tub during Cutthroat. She's evil and so mean.
Nia was over-the-top and out of control before the final. She is an extremely abusive person. I was disgusted by her behavior.
I have been watching The Challenge for years. I stopped watching fr because of how they favor Bananas and other vets sooo much. They claim it’s no funny business but some fans can tell.
I'm old so i vaguely remember the dave and puck episode differently .... I remember they allowed Puck to stay and play, but i could have sworn dave sought vengeance by spitting back in pucks face right in the middle of some kind of tug of war challenge and then he quite. I could be wrong . the 90s was a blur.
Basically for the last final on season 37, on the first day, the team had to lose instead of win the first leg of the final in order to make it to the end.......
Honestly, there’s a way that redemption house could work in final reckoning, have the redemption house pairs still pull the crosses, but instead of having every team draw and only having one double cross, have everyone draw and have enough double crosses for half of the pairs and the pairs that draw the double crosses get to pick their opponents
Dirty 30 final is extremely suspect to me. First final they didnt reveal the winner at the finish line AND did not show the finish times. You cannot tell me Camilla won over Cara who was outperforming her the whole time.
I truly believe they did that to give Camilla the win hoping it would make people forget about her racism because they really wanted to keep her on the show. And that's why she wasn't actually kicked off until assaulting production.
CT vs Bananas in the Free Agents final, that we didn’t get because
Production wanted one more purge, for no reason. Ct and Johnny got the kill cards and what fallowed was one of the most boring finals. Teresa got illuminated too, it was a cake walk for jonny and Laurel
Agreed. I HATE that literally the only threats to either of them (CT and to a lesser extent Theresa) lost while Johnny R and Devyn costed to the final. It was never in doubt that Bananas and Laurel would win
That’s why they couldn’t have Johnny and Tony in the final of final reckoning. It would have been too easy and they would have dominated
That David situation was the season where they would just put one or two black people on the show and always outvoted.
Part 2!!!! Definitely needs to be continuous series cuz the challenge has been doing some shady ass moves🤔🧐
Honestly I won't be mad if they sometimes chose the more interesting storyline over the actual result. At the end of they day it's a TV show not a sport although some cast members try to make it seem like it is.
Vendettas and War of the Worlds 2 had terrible Finals. Zach was miles ahead after the first stage of Vendettas (95 percent of the Final), only to have it come down to a puzzle where Cara got to start at the same time he did and there was just a 90-second head-start over Kyle and Kailah. War of the Worlds 2 decided to punish Team USA for dominating the entire season by giving them nearly double-weight on the 15+ mile gurney run for Stage 1 of the Final - that was garbage.
agree with Zach on Vendettas. He dominated that final just to have it handed to Cara. WOTW2 though nah it was based on total team weight of course they'd have more
Puck should have gone home. I don't understand how everyone was standing behind him when David was the one who got spit on. Crazy.
Camilla and Robin should have gotten sent home and blacklisted after they both threw out racial comments to other people. Disgusting.
For total madness they actually cleared it up right before the final one male one female winner takes all
All stars 2 final with the rigging for Jonna and MJ over Darrell and J
If we’re talking about questionable finals decisions, I think the end of Vendettas was questionable. All of a sudden at the final 4 they want to reveal that there’s going to be a single winner? Despite the entire final being gender separated up to that point. Before this twist the final 4 must have been thinking “ I only need to beat one more person”.
Zach was robbed and should've won that Final by a landslide.
Anytime Ashley has been a finalist and didn’t quit was rigged. Worst challenge personality ever. Don’t know how anyone respects her. Johnny has definitely had seasons fixed for him. Total madness isn’t a question. Free agents as well but less likely.
Ughhh I’m like 15 seconds into this video and idk why I even clicked on it. I know it’s going to make me so frustrated 😂😂😂
I just wanted to say that one tree hill is my all time favorite tv show and I gasped when you had that little image of it pop up in the beginning
I firmly believe Bananas would not have as many final wins without production. Total madness makes no sense that there was two winners because TJ always says how many there are and in the finals 2 girls dropped out, so that literally would have handed it to Jenny for the women no matter what- what would be her point to beat Bananas? Just doesn't make sense. I also agree with you about Final Reckoning...
I have always hated that Wes had Battle of the Sexes 2 in the bag until Bananas returned from redemption and then Wes and Theresa were literally the only team that had no 2 chance...was not right.
Battles of Exes***
If anything Johnny helped jenny win s35, bc she legit skipped a whole puzzle and Johnny helped her finish it. they got on live with TJ and talked about it, it was like -20/30 and production didn’t even care who won and when just get everyone off the mountains bc they was about to all catch hyperthermia from being in the frozen tundra.
Jenny even thanked Johnny again for helping her out, and she also lucked out bc kaycee timed out on the puzzle. so she might have won either way👀🤣
You have to do at least 3-4 more parts for the most questionable moments and decisions made by the production.
Final Reckoning final got us a couple great Hunter fail moments though. Hunter getting kicked off the ladder and the famous "where's my tennis shoes" scene.
Part 2!!!!!! Plz
The last situation is so bad. Poor David
Not showing showing battle of the exes redemption games that Johnny and Nani won. Would have been nice to see it
Definitely need a Part 2. Bananas did Sarah Dirty and he was pissed at her over a move he would've (and in the past) made in a heartbeat. Makes it even more 10 times nore shady that he cheated to get that win. I think Sarah quit after that (at least I don't remember seeing her since) and she was always a great competitor! The puck spit was crazy, but in a behind the scenes episode David did end up spitting in Pucks face during them filming a promotional video for the season. Not sure if it was for the same season or a different season, but I remember him getting puck back.
I don't recall seeing Sarah since either.
Marie's indecision screwed over Sylvia and Joss.
Whenever I see anything iffy in this show I just say, “welcome to the challenge” its not a completely fair show. Whatever happens, happens.
You covered FR but didn’t mention the elimination re-do between Tony/Bananas & Paulie/Nat.
Been saying it for years man. Glad you can see it too. FR is the most poorly designed season of all time. The drama is the only thing keeping it above the worst season ever.
agree with you 100%... also the fact in season 32, when kam and paulie were in elimination and Kam is easily as strong or if not stronger than paulie, they both weigh the same.. They give paulie a double banded cord, and Kam got a single band cord.
I also hated when Zach was 2 hours ahead of cara in the final, and they get to start the puzzle at the same time, and cara beat him by 30 seconds, but i heard you mention it before
Men and women cannot be equal stop it, as a woman even I know that. Kam and Paulie are not equal, Paulie is very lean and muscular, Kam isn’t, muscle weights more than fat. I don’t see Kam as muscular at all maybe someone like Evelyn could be closer to someone like Paulie, she was crazy fit. But I do agree that his resistance was too strong, whoever tests these eliminations fucked up.
The idea that Kam is physically stronger than Paulie is absurd. Jenny West? Maybe.
The Puck situation still irks me. I can’t stand that season mainly for that situation alone. Plus as you mentioned the whole wedding episode dedicated to him. So frustrating.
I think another questionable moment would be in the OG Battle of the Seasons was Belou and her baby but did you maybe cover that in the biggest WTF moments already 😅
Invasion of the Champions. To be a champion you have to beat a cha… wait, how’s that go. Oh wait, that’s right. To be a champion you have to come on and watch all the champions eliminate each other until there’s only one left, and then compete in a dumb partner based final against them. Oh yeah!
Another great vid angel cake!
Battle of the Exes 1: Jasmine not being sent home for hitting Nehemiah.
Trust me you are not the only questioning Final Reckoning's format lol.
I`m not from the Us so I cant be sure the same rules and legislations apply, but here in Brazil (I work in the promotional awarding business) you can only have a high value performance based competition (money prize, cars, houses, etc) IF the rules (including every possibility of ties and DQs) are registered with the national banking association prior to the start of any competition and rules can not be altered after that or it can be classified as fraudulent. Every draw has to be done with a live audience, every point system need to be set ahead of the competition.... MAYBE the US follows a different set of rules or MAYBE they manage to bend those rules by competing abroad.... Can`t be sure, but if any of these seasons were rigged within this system, it was planned beforehand and it becomes a non-scripted reality TV instead os a competition show...