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Soil vs Coco vs Hydro yield result & overall comparison
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I have run a grow test to compare using different medium and nutrient solutions for an indoor grow. The plants are chili clones and have been grown under the same lighting setup and environmental conditions to demonstrate the different performance of soil v coco v hydro.
the nutrients used were all from the Canna range and I used their recommended feed schedules from the Canna terra, coco and aqua ranges.
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sum things i think u over looked on the vs table
i watch the dcg (dude grows show) and the amount of times there a question about how to fight this or that bug
i find with hydro bugs kinda dont exist , maybe iv been luky for over 10years but never had bug problem
and i haear lots of pepole say over or under water is the most common way people kill there plants
in dwc i guess there still a bit of managing wetness off net pot, hydroton but as soon as root hits water over water under water problem goes away
and kinda disagree with nuts cost , maybe if you running really hight ec and changing water every week
im on autos and thay dont take more then 1ec 1.2 at max
im shore coco people feed much higher
and since iv been using Microbial Tea ,Ecothrive Biosys / recharge , now i only change water 3 or 4 times in plants life
I gotta say that I clicked on this video thinking you were growing something else, and was figuring it must be pretty good based on the way you were talking for the first 30 seconds, then you said "chili plants" 🤣
Same man....same
It's not like cannabis is special in that regard. All plants that produce fruits just like the bud sprouts. It's the same. It needs the complexity in the soil which no other substrate can reproduce in a sterile environment. Soil is the best when you want quality. If you want plants on steroids and chemicals, you are welcome to do that. Just you will be consuming those chemicals too. Just something you want to note yourself if you going to use the plants as medicine.
@@DrAskildsen I mean...soil isn't necessarily the best for quality. It's more about the inputs rather than the medium. Technically aquaponics would be the best for overall quality.
@@apexshinbi638 the best aquaponics growers use soil if that tells you anything
@MrJre4491 it's about microbiology not just the nutrients
As a client of one of your lights, I certainly appreciate the spectrum and it's effectiveness. As a gardener who also grows chillis, if it was not already shared in the comments, I will say that from experience, peppers are photo-sensitive. If they do not get direct sunlight, they will not turn red. They will stay green. I've personally observed this when some peppers are hidden by leaves, and others are in the full sun. They go from green, to black, to red. So the reason the soil grown peppers showed red was only because the plant was sparse enough to allow light below the canopy and the fuller, denser plants did not permit the light to get to the peppers.
I was originally wondering if nitrogen was being taken up 'differently' or preferentially, but I like your answer better. With weed (which is, I guess, why most people are here) the buds are at the top and are fed later in a grow by the leaves that surround each bud so having less canopy penetration of light isn't a limiting factor on yield or flavour. Incidentally, I have personally found that LEDs (using various Mars Hydro models) offer greater canopy penetration than the old HPS bulbs, and I'm glad to be rid of them.
@@spidrespidre yes, light penetration is key. While unlike peppers, with cannabis, less light just means smaller buds and does not influence color. This is also why commercial growers "lollipop" their plants so only the top branches get buds... because the plant only has so much energy to spend so why not put that energy into the buds on top which will be bigger!! I too also have Mars Hydro and enjoy the low-heat factor.
I would have to agree with you . I have had the same experience with sweet banana peppers and red hot chillies. Very logical explanation . I would like to add this would not be as much a problem if u take advantage of certain grow techniques for example employ a scrog and spread it all out plus prune.
@Read A book shouldn't u be reading a book
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience on this, that's very interesting to know!
I'm 52, been "gardening" since i was in my 20's. Long story short, soil always produces a better quality product in terms of flavor, and potency.
100% Soil for quality.
@@DrAskildsen why not rdwc
Yep
Why about dual root system?
That's what I have found. Bigger better and easier. Iv tried but I can't beat the soil.
Good to see I'm not the only one using a grow tent for peppers!
Yeah i use grow tents for peppers too...dank peppers.
Really smelly peppers :D
@@muehahahaha Fobballe ilmotettu !!!
Awwww, hey I thought you were cool man, 💨 that’s just peppers.
Hahahha
Yea bro, same here ...@ whoever made this, if you see this I hope you know u can make ah good amount of money with the amount of power your using while keeping your same hobby. Instead of saying "big chilli's" your going to talk about "big nugs" and judging on how you grow ur chillies you'll grow some top shelf stuff.
😂😂😂😂💨💨💨
Look at the blooms she needed more time is all.
Lol exactly what I was thinking
I appreciate all of your hard work Shane, another great video. Thanks for all the great information as always. Cheers!
The important question is how do they smoke
I have a mate who smoke chillie out a bong once. Wouldn't recommend it. True story 😂😂😂😂
I threw up and started crying like fuk. I was about 11-14yrs old when I did that hahahaha. It's so painful. It doesn't go away for ages. But when I breathed out I was choking from the instant it hit my tongue. Every part of my body that smoke came in contact with was like if air & fire had a baby. Wow
@@btardedbot2.2.62 lmfao
Smoking them is still "safer" than snorting them, I'd imagine, eh? I'm not willing to test my theory, however. YIPES!
Great comparison Shane! I've gone organic, with my own living soil mix in both my veggie garden and medicinal plants. Compost, soil, aeration in approx 33% mix...can't beat it! All I do is water, about 4% by volume, and all are producing buds and fruit like crazy. No lab coat required.
I'm trying the mix 30% of each of these, for Mediterranean herbs: premium organic compost, coco coir and perlite. As a fertilizer I'll be using organic seaweed + plant based and micronutrients every 7-10 days.
Used a coir ready mix bag for seed start, I managed successfully to germinate 98% of seeds of arugula, basil and parsley.
The bag of seed start mix had also some seaweed added. When depleted the seedlings stopped growing.
Once I added the fertilizer (half the suggested amount), they basically "exploded". Producing super big first set of leaves and now the second set is starting to appear.
I've found coco coir being very airy, not molding and not having any pests/diseases in it.
Now that I have more experience with soil amends and materials, I think it's a good solution for plants that loves water but they don't like too much water in the soil.
Hopefully my choice will work!
I prefer Coco. Roots are able to travel easier than soil as it doesn't compact like soil allowing better water drainage as well. My cannabis plant is almost 3 feet tall and it's only been vegging less than 2 months outdoors.
Same but with coco and a measuring syringe, takes me about 5 minutes a day?
Thanks for the video! The hydro plant wasn't done, you can see by the veg growth that it was bulking up tp give way more fruit.
You’re the greatest Shane. Happy new year.
Totally all about the best info available.
Agreed !!
as far as i can understand the hydro grew in haste producing a dense plant while blocking the light to the fruit so i'd say production was limited due to limited light penetrating to the fruits.
i figure plant training and pruning ( mainly of leaves) would increase yields
Kinda what I was thinking also!
Interesting point
Bang on the nail. You're a smarty Dan. Good on ya,
Your issue was definitely pollination, if you had a couple of bees in there working their magic the crop on your hydro system could have been fantastic given the amount of flowers they had. Also, not surprised at soil based plants tasting nicer, good little exercise all the same. Thanks for this and your efforts.
hundreds of miniature chillis?
Great experimental design, well done Shane!
Interesting that each medium caused the plant to put more energy in one aspect of growth than another. The soil is most conducive for fruit growth, and hydro is more conducive to vegetative growth. Neat!
Amateur speaking here, but im curious if its simply a timing thing. DWC seems to offer the most for root development. More potential for vegetative period, but perhaps more time during that phase was needed?
@@groundedlifestyle88 I'm sure in a few weeks that RWC system would have exploded with fruit... Also the soil container could have got root bound, triggering flowering earlier.
I think the soil was most properly stressed so it efficiently reached blooming/fruiting stages fastest.
I think the hydro is very comfortable and the plant lacks the stressful stimulus that causes a plant to rush into finishing its lifecycle.
A very stressed plant might try to flower before it is ready and never thrive, we want plants that yield well and promptly.
If this experiment went longer the hydro would have massive fruit yields, but the time it takes is a major factor.
Peppers do not die off after fruiting, so it would be best not to harvest the plants, but better to harvest fruits and keep the plant growing for many years. Considering a plant might live for many years it may be best to do a hydro setup as well as find out ways to lightly stress a plant into flowering earlier.
Well I don't care what you are growing .I totally appreciate the fact that you put the big corporate companies technology and you tell us the average consumer the truth about how the equipment works an I for one thank you keep up the good work Shane
Sometimes I disagree with what you say (not with anything at the moment) but I love the balanced view you generally hold and the fact that you try to account for as many variables as possible. There are always going to be those of us who say, "was great, but could you..." And those who just bitch and moan, however your putting out quality content and trying to be as balanced as possible in the contents you put out, taking your time and effort (for something your clearly passionate about) so thanks again!
It would be interesting to see the plants run their life cycles. The hydros seemed behind and were filled with blossoms.
Thats exactly it, from someone who has this amount of equipment, l am very surprised he hasn’t figured this our, with comments like “l’m not quite sure why it is [hydro doesn’t have much fruit] maybe a pollination issue”.
The video is useless without letting the plants runt their cycle.
I am completely unable to grow anything at the moment and even I knew this. He’s growing all kinds of shit w all kinds of expensive equipment you think he’d know better
manipulate light cycles differently with different media.
But if you give more time for the cycle completion of the hydro, will you not have more time for the soil as well meaning even more fruit ? or maybe enough time to start and harvest an other soil plant ?
@@Canna_Science_and_Technology Sure.... and by the time the hydro finishes its cycle, the soil would have been in its second cycle with the second harvest of high quality mature fruits. Hydro = 👎 fast growth rate, big plant, slow finisher, low yield for its turnaround time.
A true living soil, completely organic no till grow will outgrow any hydro grow, anytime of the day - growth speed, health, fruit size and quality. An fully organic grow and the natural sun light will run circles around hydro all day, everyday.
So funny watching the faces he makes when eating the chilli hahaha. Thanks so much for your efforts 😍
Yeah, that was entertaining. :)
I thought he was sucking on a cough drop. I was kind of getting a Nancy Pelosi vibe when he spoke....
I Think the hydro needed more light and light penetration since it was bigger with much more foliage, if the leaves were thinned so the light could reach the fruit, they probably would have ripened faster..just and opinion
Love controlled experiments and really appreciate the time you took to grow them to this point and sharing
Soil works best for me. I am happy to sacrifice quantity for quality every time. Cost, effort is irrelevant.
My Grandfather told me, " if you're going to do something, do it right."
He had me holding a cardboard funnel into the fuel tank of his car as he poured in stolen petrol! I had to reach up to hold the funnel. Fun times LOL!
Soil may work best for you but it's not better quality. It's what you chose so you want it to be the best, but it doesn't work that way. Your favorite drink is not the best. Your favorite pizza place is not the best. Your favorite sports team isn't the best. Your favorite show is not the best either. Your opinion on what is best is entirely your opinion and nothing more.
@@Des420 That's just your uninformed opinion and you're talking out your arse.
The quality I produce growing in soil beat/s any and all competition and that is not just MY opinion. I am a published photographer, my photos of my produce can be found in the Cannabis Breeders Grow Bible by Greg Green. I've been gardening longer than I've been taking photos. Next time I want your opinion of my opinion, I'll hit you up.
@@jeffbeerkens5286 lol, well, I did say " soil works best for me" and I have little time for some know it all who didnt read what I had said before trying to be a smart ass. If he was that smart he'd have read what I said before talking bollocks to me.
Take care.
Very interesting indeed. Many of us are patiently waiting on the electric sky test that you mentioned you were doing a lil wile back now.
Cheers from Canada.
Hi, it's coming soon, promise. Sorry for the wait
@@MIGROLIGHT lol spoken like a true Canadian! Great video thanks for sharing eh! I'm in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada I like the results of all three!
Your coco wasn't watered/fed enough you have to treat it like hydro. I feed twice a day once at lights on again a couple hours before lights off. The growth should be much closer to the dwc than the soil.
facts
And remember to water thru. He did use CANNA which is pretty low in salt, but still.
I agree. You should get much more out of coco then hydro, if you know what your doing. Your only limited by the light, water amount and the amount you feed them. First problem with coco is that it have to be ready for growing. You have to prepare coco for growing. And you can use all the tricks you can use on plain soil, aka biological growth. I mean the amounts you can get out of 1 plant is unbelievable (3kg is the record atm). But as i said you have to know what your doing. like when to change the lightning (like what spectrum to us and when), when to flush out the coco, how much feed and what to feed them.
hep hiphop Hydroponics is definitely more efficient than Coco. Coco is closer to soilless mediums growth. It’s just a fact. The complexities and constant monitoring of hydroponics vs growing in a soilless mix is a different topic.
Coco is still more effective than hydro, but coco is like hydro, not a soil.
You definitely had pollination issues with the RDWC. Shaking pepper plants or having strong fans are the best way to pollinate peppers indoors. I'm assuming both the soil and coco were hand watered which means at a minimum you were bumping the watering can into the plants providing some pollination. In the RDWC its pretty clear that the plants weren't touched much as you would only ever be touching the control bucket and not really the blooms. At this point you would be more accurate to count the individual flowers to each plant and counting the peppers all as 1 bloom each. Its clear the RDWC was PACKED with unpollinated flowers and would've easily won the comparison for number of peppers had pollination been the same in each tent.
Jesse Cole Completely true. All those flowers could have been fruit.
If you look at the footage while he's removing the medium, you can see the watering rings he used on the soil and coco plants.
Could have been gnats of flies too could have helped the soil grow. I saw some sticky traps leading me to believe BUGS.
@@jamess1787 Pests like fungus gnats are never beneficial for soil grows...
@@b12y5e haha yep. Except when it comes to more pollination. I've had a variety of plants i wanted to go to full fruit production, and ones that had some type of flies (as long as they were kept under control): had the more seeds/fruits. Primarily exotic house plants in different parts of my house.
I'd put my money on the soil producing more ripe fruit, because it ran out of root space, and probably started fruiting before the others. The coco and hydro mediums contain way fewer solids, which I think allows for more root volume and bigger plants.
Thanks for this. We’re all here for the peppers! I’ve grown in rock wool and soil side by side, hand watered both. Rockwool did very well in one of the cubes, as well as soil, if not slightly more dank. Great video
I'm a coco grow indoor and outdoor. I love the results.
Thanks for doing this. I plan on doing this with off season watermelon indoors with CoCo vs Soil.
Every flower on that large plant would have yielded a chilli in time. Monster plant hydro all the way!!🤫
Some years before I bought my land, about six tons of mulch got dumped in my driveway. Now worms have turned it into an amazing grow medium... rich, black dirt --- like the good Lord intended (for us to grow our food and medicine IN). Thank God for free dirt, air, sun and rain... for with fervent prayer, it all comes together to equal a successful farm, regardless of size. (My "farm" is only ten acres, but I can live on its produce and share with every homeless person I meet.)
That's awesome !!! I DWC and love it. but....... my sweetest, most amazing yield I ever got was from outdoors. You really can't beat what mother nature has to offer. Take care of mother nature and mother nature will take care of you 🌞 enjoy your land sounds amazing........ Take care.
@@gravitysucks8195 Thanks. The Lord bless you.
Hands down to hydro . wow , nothings changed in 25 yrs lol. I always found when you scale up the size, the automation really pays off . Was a neat little side by side , thanks for the effort. keep up the great work. Take Care
Great video. I use coco and soil , the flavor trumps all . There is nutrients in soil that the plants dont get with other systems. Soil ,coco. Swamp water. Is the only way to go . Skip the coco and its all free if you plan ahead. Cheers
It looks like the hydro peppers suffered from too much vegging. The plants were allowed to get too large for effective flowering under the light provided. Too much foliage = too little penetration of the canopy = less yield.
This is very true, based on many test and general practices done in indoor farming for a long while... Defoliating is a fairly common practice in the cannabis industry during flowering. It allows more light through the canopy and lets the plant focus more on flower/fruit production than vegitative sustain/growth. Its like weight reduction in racing, less weight = more zoom at the same hrsprs.
It also could have been too much veg, not in the way of resource utilization but because it was harder for the air to penetrate through and blow pollen around to the flowers... or when he shook the plants to get the pollen to drop, it wasnt as efficent as smaller plants... whichever method would probably work less on a larger plant like that and more on smaller ones. Thats something i dont think anyone else was thinking about honestly.
really interesting results keep up the good vids man ,cheers
What a fantastic test! Even better the second (or 3rd) time watching this video. The difference in color on the fruit is very interesting.
I've been using a 20/80 coco/soil mix and minimal dry amendments/microbials and getting good results. Funny how bigger is not always better? Think I caught a glimpse of maybe one red chilli on the Hydro side? Isnt it the sweet, red chilli flowers we are pursuing in the first place?
Thank you always Shane!
the best comparison ever... no body will do like u do... congrat...!!!!
Well I use soil and coco so you missed that bro my soil and coco will grow a little slower but everyone knows soil you get the best herb
Was the nutrient NPK Composition and ratio the same as well or did it differ?
It was different. Canna terra vs. Canna coco vs. Canna aqua. He says it in a previous video.
I have banana peppers growing wild outside in 3 gallon pots with foxfarm coco loco soil. They're full of peppers, I pull about 15 peppers per week on each plant, and they get full of peppers within a week. Great soil mix from the hydro store and fabric pots is the answer to big healthy plants. And use bloom fertilizer for many continuous flowers resulting in many fruits/peppers. I use floranova grow/ floranova bloom/ carboload. I also have black hot peppers that grow straight up. the banana peppers hang down like banana 🍌. Great mix, chop it up, add to my homemade hamburgers.
the reason the soil did so well is because the roots and plant will take what they need as soon as possible with little problems. organic is just better suppliers thn any human with chem nutes. this could also mean faster flowering times for cannabis when using soil properly. that being said u can push a plant to it's TRUE potential when you perfect chem nutes and can get better results with chems
Nice to see a great video, very informative and answers questions that keep coming up. With peppers, I find my hydroponic plants typically delay fruiting until the roots fully grow into the size container in which they are planted. Regarding fruit size, I would agree that the hydroponically grown peppers typically have smaller fruits. The plants tend to produce a lot of leaves as they are trying to transpire a lot of water. Not having much experience with coco, it was really interesting to see the larger fruit sizes. After seeing the roots in the soil and coco pots, it is interesting to wonder about perched water tables and capillary action. Well done video series!
soil's the least expensive, most forgiving, least labor intensive and, most importantly, delivers the best quality. the proof's always in the pudding for me.
KEvron
i agree... flavor and micronutrient levels are more important than yield...
Hydro is the fastest growing, most productive, easiest to grow, easiest to adjust, most immediate results of your changes, least labor intensive and more importantly, delivers not only the best quality and highest THC results, but more yield as well. The proof is always in the results for me because this isn't pudding.
@@thnkvoid16 I agree. I don't like the taste of shit in my weed so I don't grow in soil. I grow in hydro. That way I can have lots of weed that tastes and smells like it should instead of tasting like poop in a bucket.
@@Des420
*"I don't like the taste of shit in my weed so I don't grow in soil."*
where do you think they grow your food, genius?!
KEvron
@@thnkvoid16
yeah, there's just something lacking in hydro. i don't turn my nose up at it - i've had some fine stuff - but i know i would enjoy it better had it been grown in good, old-fashioned dung! given the choice, sight unseen, i'll take mother e, every time. even our troll admits that there's a difference. of course, discerning tastes know quality. ;)
KEvron
You just saved me the cost of running the same tests, thank you.
Once again you did it with a good test and I did get the light you had told me is better for a 5×5×8 Yeild lab tent and a New light SP40000 By Spider Farm's just have to find a store that will take the driver's off the Quantum Board of my SP40000 so I can have my driver's off of my tent to help keep the temperature down and mount it to my wall board and yes the Yeild lab tent is a great deal for the 5×5×8 over the test you did with the Yeild lab and the Gorilla tent and I want to Thank you very much for your time and knowledge for this video. CHEERS.
I understand the're so many variables to different ways of growing and you can't cover them all. But I see a few factors that could have biased the results:
• Aero pots cause the roots to behave differently. All 3 should have been in the same closed pots.
• From a passive perspective, Kratky would've been a closer comparison than a DWC that requires power and extra hardware that brings in extra costs. Kratky has virtually no medium.
Observencies:
When it comes to yield, amount of pods and flowers, it seems that the DWC was ready to go gangbusters on the pods but the experiment had the plug pulled before this happened. If the experiment would have gone on long enough for the DWC to fully ripen and be harvested, I wonder what the final outcome of the harvest of each plant would be.
With Hot Peppers, nitrogen levels have a massive bearing on flower formation and subsequent pods. I wonder if the P/K nutrient increase happened earlier, then the DWC may have fruited earlier..
Comparing an unripe green pod from the DWC to that of a ripe pod from the soil? Sorry, that is totally ludicrous. No unripe fruit tastes anywhere near as good as that of ripe. Have you ever eaten a green banana?
What I've learned from this is that fast and tasty pods should be grown in soil and if your in it for the long haul, DWC may give you a bigger harvest.
Thank you for the experiment, it was really interesting..
pruning or lack of was the biggest thing in this experiment
It seems like the hydro side got too much nitrogen. When I’ve grown them I would switch over to the fruiting schedule earlier on for peppers. Plus in the kratky method of hydro there is literally no noise and cost is next to nothing. I’ve been growing a lot of kratky lately just cuz I like the stability. It grows a little less vigorous than aeration, but there’s no annoying air pump noise.
In dwc or aeration sometimes I feel things grow too fast and it gives less of a time window to switch nutrient mixtures at the appropriate time depending on what type of plant is being grown. In one bucket of kratky style hydro I grew more chillies than you got in the soil and coco method. Wasn’t the exact same type of chillie as yours, but basically the same.
For me, I love hydro because of the control and not having to water the plants at all. Also little to no fungal gnats. The only disadvantage is ph stability. But I almost never check the ph or tds unless I’m doing a controlled experiment. And as far as water changes, I often don’t change the solution for 3-4 weeks and in most cases only add water in the final phases of growth after the plants have grown larger.
Hydro really to me can be just as easy as soil, but you are right, with peppers it seams soil does gives better taste.
Not just peppers also cannabis better taste :)
He's testing mature peppers against immature ones. Of course the mature ones would taste better... No surprise there. The low RDWC yield is a surprise looking at the numbers, but clearly there's been an issue with the plant not maturing as quickly as the others, likely due to the excess nitrogen you mentioned... And that should not be the case. I think the coco plant got the most balanced feed and so it performed the best, which speaks more to what you feed than what you grow in.
@@Des420 It doesn't have to do with immature vs mature. The Brix level is higher in soil. The nutritional content is actually higher. In a cannabis test, indoor hydro tested for 4 dominate terpenes/ small array of cannabinoids. The same clone grown outdoors in living soil immediately tested for 12 dominate terpenes and a wider cannabinoid expression, theres a testable difference.
@@FastReflexx Link to the study?
@@Des420 Not a study. Lab test(s) done for Tony Vezura, he talked extensively about it on Hashchurch. His company extracts terpene profiles from greenhouse organic because it was a more complete profile. To be fair I'm remembering it was Greenhouse not outdoor but yeah.
I feel like soil will always produce more intense flavor profile over Hydro. Like hydro tomatoes and cucumbers are flavorless compared to soil for sure. May get more yield and a faster grow using hydro but, in my opinion, I like some tasty fruit.
One last comment - LOS seems to be the future - best quality / taste and when done in a SIP Container growth can compare to hydro - let’s try a LOS / SIP Compare to hydro
I suspect you need different veg and fruit nutrients, almost like when you do cannabis in hydro to help with fruit setting
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I would like to see a test where all the plants were allowed to bloom for their complete season before being chopped, this would give us alot more data, resulting in a more accurate test. I'm thinking that with more time, the fruit grown in hydro would have tasted better, and the total amount of fruit would have been way more than either soil or hydro. Were the hydro plants getting macro nutrients? I gave up growing DWC in 2004. Too much work for an older fart.
That was about as accurate and fair as you can get. Each clone came from the same mother at the same time, each plant had the same size pot, each plant had the same light source,each plant had the same grow space and was fed as closely as could be. It sounds like you want to doctor the Coco and hydro results??
Pollination is the issue. Peppers have both male and female parts contained in the same flower. Just bumping the plants around is enough to produce more peppers. Khang Star, Peter Stanley and any other indoor pepper growers will all tell you to shake your plants to set fruit indoors. Its pretty clear hand watering alone is gonna set more fruit than never touching the RDWC plant. All the flowers are unpollinated peppers and if shaken, vibrated, or visited by pollinators will set fruit. Indoor Tomatoes work the exact same way.
@@tiggervagas This wasn't a test. This was Shane doing his best to showcase the mediums and is not indicative of what each of them is capable. These results are not facts that you can base a declaration on.
@@MrIcer105 Would the lack of pollination be the cause of the RDWC maturing so much slower after flower onset? I was thinking it might be a feed schedule that was too high in N if it were cannabis... But I don't know much about peppers.
@@Des420 No, the pepper plants are all the same maturity. The peppers themselves maturing has different factors. Fruit is only set after pollination. Peppers and tomatoes and many other plants are monoclinous which means there are male and female parts contained within the same flower. This makes pollination easy as simply knocking the flowers around a bit with result in pollination and then fruit set (The pepper grows inside each flower). Thus every flower can potentially be a pepper. Too high of N would mostly result in less flowers and more leaves similar to cannabis, but outside of reduced flowers would not prevent peppers from forming (although really high levels could cause flowers to drop off the plant). Just looking at the number of blooms on the RDWC plant tells me the plant was very happy, it just didnt have access to pollinators such as bees or the flower disturbances needed to knock the pollen around inside the flower.
Awesome! Great results thanks for sharing this Shane. Love your work!
My pepper in hydroponics was very huge and filled with lots of blossoms and few fruits. I increased the nutrients at this fruiting stage 2800ppm and added crushed eggs shells (Done by coffee grinder). After 10 days, the little pepper fruits exploded into hundreds. I started picking them full without ripening to encourage fruiting. After the 3rd picking, I had too many peppers and allowed the new peppers to get fully red on the plant. At this time it had become attractive. Algae had started to develop, but didn't affect the plant until the severe winter cold stepped in.
Hopefully this year I get an early start to enjoy my outdoor hobby. Hopefully anyone looking for massive fruiting should try increasing the ppm for fruiting. Peppers and tomatoes seem to need a bit more calcium.
something must have gone wrong on the hydro. every flower can be a potential fruit. it did not work right that is for sure... as a fan of hydro, i am a bit sad about this outcome.
My opinion is that he never pollinated those flowers to fruit. The other two are so close to the "ground" that he would have to shake or move those flowers to water. Im pretty sure he barely touched those pepper flowers on the hydro side because there isnt a need. In other words, I believe it's human error.
I'm guessing he didn't add a fertilizer to help induce flowering? That, or the density didn't let the pollen distribute.
yeah i agree, it seems like the heavy grow impeded the pollination. either you need to move the plant a bit, shake it, have more fans blowing at it, etc., or you trim it a bit. get rid of some of the leaves. not only does it allow for better pollination and ripening, but it also redirects some of the energy that is put into the canopy into the fruit instead.
@@OperationBaboon right on.. it's definitely human error. I wonder if he'll address it in the next video that he may have messed up on the grow. We all know he's an excellent light engineer and marketer, but not so much a an agriculturalist. Haha.
@@pnwcultivar ;)
What an amazing test, it was very well done, It seemed to be quite fair in the 3 systerms. Good old soil came out best once again.
Only because Shane didn't pollinate the Hydro! Like how hard would it have been to give the plant a shake now and then? The results would have been dramatically different. and soil produced the smallest plant with the least potential so how do you figure it came out ahead? Shane never finished the grow!
Some of you people amaze me at how easily you lap this stuff up.
@@torrielandsman4625 actually very little difference in size between coco and soil. Harvest looked slightly higher with coco but more ripened developed fruit with soil. Exactly what growers of any plant want. At that size of the hydro in that small a space self pollination should not have been an issue . Amazing how some people can’t accept that soil is still the easiest and cost effective media. Soil has worked for 1000’s of years. No reason to fix it.
@@bobbymccourt6794 Over three decades growing in hydro! I think I know a few things about growing in hydroponics.
Twice as big, twice as fast, and three times more productive.
I did not see any bees flying around or any other pollinators. Also the plant growing in hydros foliage was completely covering all of the flowers protecting shrouding them from wind or any other means of pollination! All Shane had to do is give them a shake and they would have pollinated and produced many times as many fruit than the soil plant.
I do agree with your statement that soil has worked for actually hundreds of millions of years and works well for People that don't know what a plant needs for balanced nutrition, But if you understand what your plants need Hydro is at least twice as productive!
@@torrielandsman4625 I just use my little finger for peppers, lol. Dab, dab, dab, dab - from one flower to another. Takes seconds and zero effort; 100% pollination. (This can even help outdoors.)
Great job on this presentation! Now I have some ideas about how I should do my own.
It's all about the taste. Soil will give more flavor to your fruit. May not give the biggest yields, but it will always taste better.
Id be interested in seeing the comparison between a plant that is grown in living soil and using organic fertilizers compared to liquid fertilizers using soil
I have spent way to much time doing every system and I have ended up at the start...organic is the way to go if taste matters and you know there are no worries what the plant / I might be consuming from some of these man made fertilizers..you know?
Exactly! Almost the first idea I had.. 👍
Living soil is the way to go. Better flavor and the same yields as long as your grow environment and grow medium are ideal.
@@dtbone6 Organic does not taste better. That is your opinion and there is no data to back it up. You also seem to be unaware of the sources of bottled nutrients, as some nitrogen is synthetic, but everything else comes from a natural source.
@@MinesanityServer No it doesn't taste better and it certainly does not yield better. Soil is the slowest and least productive medium you can grow in.
I grow all rdwc an hands down... it out yields all... you just have kno what ur doing
Have u had a pythium outbreak yet? After 1 of those RIPS thru ur grow lmk if u stay hydro lol.
Yield with the sacrifice of terpenes and quality of smoke.
...I go for quality of quantity..living soil 100% organic...but that's just me.
But you have to have water temperature under control or it gets slimy or frozen!
Did you water the coco once or twice a day ? Otherwise invalid experiment!
Great comparison video! I personally gathered that the hydro plant seemed to produce much more flowers than the coco or soil plants. If given the opportunity of increased time, I would assume the hydro plant would have yielded more fruit.
Should count harvest divided by weeks and only harvest when most are matured.
Growing is epic, watching Shane eat a pepper, priceless!
The bigger plant needed bigger nutrients, compared to the others. This would explain the fruit yield.
Also you got 4 hundred flowers on hydro and did not wait for it... what is that man? xD
Great video I have always wanted to see them side by side
You are a master grower. You have helped me more than anyone ever has. Thank you.
Did you treat the Coco more like soil or it did you treat it like Hydro?
It looks like underwatered. I water my coco 2-3 times a day, it grows on another level in speed and yield vs soil. My first coco-grow.
He treated his soil like hydro to be honest lol
Coco can be on par with dwc if fed regularly
@@OverGrowTheUk This is my experience as well, and i have not tried coco to the max. First grow now.
Coco with a Blumat system or any hydrospike system outperforms DWC, the same way soil outperforms coco+DWC if using living soil and hydro spikes.
This is why side by side comparisons aren’t the end all and be all. Everyone’s grow is different, and different plants prefer different mediums. The one thing we can all agree on, is Nitrogen can’t be uptaken while the medium is dry. So this coco and soil test kinda fell behind because of the outdated methods of watering.
In my opinion, soil WINS by large!
But BUGS. Notice those soil fly traps?
Coco probably wins for fruit vs plant weight. Just needs to be ripened.
Yeah those small ones were the winners....Lol fools
I love Shane but this test says nothing, believe me, years of expierence, RDWC destroys soil and wins over coco, at least growing weed
That's why I'll always stick to plain ol dirt. Once you're done, shake the roots out, throw the dirt in big rubber maid, toss in some compost, worm castings, perlite, and do it again. Most nutrient lines are going to cover the micro nutrients these days anyways. Don't need to worry about losing it in the soil. The fertilizer will put it back in. You can amend it as much as you want to reuse. That's why I like it. That, and you always get a really consistent result. I'm sure you could dial the hydro system in a lot more after a few grows. I'd still rather stay in soil.
Thanks for sharing.
I think the discrepancy in yield might be explained by the hydro setup preferring a bit more light than the soil or coco, in order to make full use of the high availability of nutrients.
Thanks for this cheers 🍻
I like looking at the hydro growers comments and how they try to justify the results because they are disappointed. 😂🤣😂
I like laughing at you thinking his results are somehow related to those of actually growing cannabis.
I caught one!!!!! (One with butt hurting)😂🤣😂
@@nateellenberger6043 Do you have an extra "u mad bro!" as an ace up your sleeve? You kids sure have a thing for being unoriginal. Also using childish emogis and laughing at your own jokes... Does doing that make you feel more popular and less alone in your social media life?
I'd talk about growing and why each plant might have grown the way they did, but since you don't have any experience or knowledge on the topic and the emotional maturity of a 10 year old, I don't want to make you feel any more insecure than you already do.
@@Des420 ....and there's no doubt...."You ARE mad bro". Go do a dab and be happy!
@@jeffbeerkens5286 Look at you trying to make a friend so you have a shoulder to cry on. How cute and sad. Do you put your tears in the bucket too, or just poop?
Fascinating. A lot bigger but not as much fruit. What a trip.
One thing your missing from an accurate assessment of crop yield is proper harvesting techniques. The red peppers need picked as soon as they become mature, this will cause the plant to mature the smaller fruit and continue production. On a small pepper plant under continual harvest it is easy to get thirty to forty lbs of peppers over the course of the summer. It would be interesting for you to try this experiment again and see the yield difference between the soil and coco. Personally for myself I find the taste of hydroponically grown produce to be laughable bordering on disgusting. The immense network of life in the soil adds so many trace elements and subtle flavors that simply are not replicate-able with hydro.
the world's most expensive peppers :P
Only if you buy everything from a grow shop ;)
@@atomizer2665 ..........the suns free buddy
nice video, you can also try closing your mouth when you chew from time to time.
What I got from this is...your a soil grower. That's it. More knowledge will give extremely different results.
I played the hydroponic system for a while. Its much more complex than soil. Change your fluid. Add hydrogen peroxide. Make more solution in 2 weeks throw it away again. Try to keep the algae out of everything!
I would much rather grow in buckets of soil with drip watering and a fertilizer injection like a Dosatron for $130. And if you have a small bucket or dirt plot garden. You can go with the automatic or just add fertilizer to a watering can twice a month and skip the drip altogether. I like an automatic watering system so I can be gone and not worry about my babies. Drip works great pin point the water grow your desired ones not weeds.
Anybody serious about growing will run from dwc hydro. Its too unpredictable.
it does seem complicated.
Complicated isnt the issue...root rot aka pythium is the problem.
@@GreenLifeOmaha_GLO
what causes that and is it difficult to stop it, i've never used hydro because it (to me anyway) seems more complicated than using a simple organic soil mix.
@@C...G... yea its a biological issue. Once it develops good luck. Some have came out on top but most dont.
Lol ok sure whatever you say
Air pit were such a headache for me bud, I just use them outside now and fabric inside. Love the knowledge you share, and thank you
For both soil and coco you can grow using the hempy bucket method: Instead of just keeping your medium moist like most people do with regular plants you drown the pots every 2 to 3 days, depending on how fast the plants grow, leaving enough nutrient solution in the tray for the plants to uptake in 24 hours. You then leave them dry for one day to oxygenate the medium, repeat the process. For hemp I usually water every 3 days up the second week of flower, then every 2 days up to the second week from harvest. So water in the morning, let them drink in exactly 24 hours, let air come in for 24 hours and repeat. This will get the results close to hydro but with less equipment and much better quality fruit.
i've just gone from hydro to soil, mixing the nutrients was a pain, i live in a hard water area, the plants i like to grow are lime haters, all those chemicals was also on my mind, expansive to run, the hydro once the mixture is right accelerates growth but i got over that by growing more plants at different stages, less things can go wrong using soil,
This is what you call a equal experiment not one plant taking care of more than the others you allowed us to see a true comparison
Soil retains heat. Run the test again but put heater mats under the cocoa. I would even go as far as put a fish heater in the water…. Great experiment
Hydro has always been my favorite
It looks as if the hydro plants were fed more nitrogen or it was more available to the plants pushing vegetative growth. By the amount of flowers on the hydro plants, if the plants were allowed to mature would have had a much higher yield of fruit.
Cool test. Keep up the great growing videos my man.
Feel like two hydro plants would outperform soil. There would be better airflow and light penetration. Nice to see soil outdo coco.
Man I simple love this Channel ... Thanks Shane
i did notice the hydro had the most sprouted flowers/buds yet no chillis, i wonder how that would translate into cannabis? would that mean larger plants therefore larger buds or does the soil based chillis demonstrate more fruit means more yield for a cannabis plant? brilliant video btw love the detail and effort you put into educating us and demonstrating a fair test :)
Albeit the hydro did not have much fruit at time of harvest, just the shear amount of blossoms on them may have proven to be the winner, if given more time to set fruit. Very interesting how the soil and the coco produced and ripened faster. Cheers!
I like the coco peat best. You get huge fruit. I think in the long run I'd want bigger fruit as to a bushy plant as I am not eating the leaves.
Really nice only grew chilis in soil they became silly strong under some cfl :s storebought chilis nonames just took the seeds and grew them under a diy cfl panel bulbs and uuuum tubes ? boomchakala good ones and i found that they turned red when its warm around the plants ... who figured ? the green ones were Spicy atleast . Cool Video really nice with the comparisons ! Good Work Shane! / Paul Roger
TO much nitrogen uptake is the cause of a lot of green growth v. fruit, happens in tomatoes and cannabis. Consider using nutrients with lower nitrogen when flowering comes. Good video, thanks for the content.
Stephen, thanks for the insight, appreciate it. Shane
That was my conclusion as well... But these being peppers and not knowing for sure, after looking into it, it seems that he might not have had enough interaction with the RDWC plants to pollinate them sufficiently.
@@MIGROLIGHT Welcome.
@@jeffbeerkens5286 I didn't know you posted like 5 other comments after the first 5... That's some seriously upset acting out. Try and relax just a little bit. Get nice and rested before you put your poop in a bucket for the day. After that, maybe cook some pasta? Use some of that abundance of bat poop flavored, organic oregano you've got on hand to spice it up.
Great, informative video. I grow in coco but am thinking of changing to RDWC, interesting comment about the noise of the water pumps etc. I was thinking RDWC would be better for stealth as you wouldn't be carrying loads of soil/coco in and out of your house, need to think v carefully about what i choose, youtube is info heaven!!
They really aren't too noisy. Just hang the airpump by a cord so it isnt vibrating on the ground and the water pumps are pretty much silent. You can also do away with the airpump entirely if you use waterfalls in each grow site.
is the neighbor gonna call the cops because youve carried a bag of dirt inside? really? lol. yall worry about the wrong shit.
Judging by the deep green color and size of the hydro plant, it was up-taking a lot more nitrogen(and possibly iron). Don’t' know if that was fertilizer differences or the vastly different root environment. As with most fruiting/flowering plants. If they have lots of nitrogen they grow and delay fruiting until they get some sort of stress(short days, less nitro, less water, temperature drop etc). Could be pollination but that's only conclusive if the flowers fall off without fruiting.. and you still have lots of flowers..
A couple of more week though and that hydro pepper would have outperformed them all(albeit milder peppers due lack of stress)
BTW: Were the hydro peppers less hot?
I’m extremely novice, but peppers are what’s drawing me to growing. Am I wrong in thinking that trimming the hydro side differently would have had a big change in yield? I mean, if it’s growing that strong, it looks like so much energy was wasted on the leafs.
Great visual end comparison to show different yield and maturity levels
I have a friend who was into this kind of stuff. He had so much growing equipment, he didn't have space to test hydro himself so he gave it to us. He would come to supervise the thing every week. The results were ok, but the conclusion was it wasn't worth the hassle. He kept using soil until he quit growing.
I've always defended soil as the best media/medium for growing plants & fruit as it gives the BEST overall taste/flavor, and not to mention it's the very thing that plants have been growing in since the beginning of time so how can it not be best for plants. Although the hydro side grew more biomass it clearly didn't produce as much fruit and what it did produce wasn't nearly as quality as the soil side... An organic and super aerated soil is the way to go.
Sounds like a quitter.
@@PeterKKraus He was pretty good at growing and always had great yields with big fat buds. He even got an invitation to compete nationwide for the best weed, but he didn't want that kind of "publicity". That was his passion together with bodybuilding and boxing. He quit growing and focused on the other two.
@@nogroup5861 He sounds insane. Why does he want to punch ppl in the face?
@@PeterKKraus Lol. We are going off-topic here, but he was kind of weird. He couldn't stop talking. Sometimes I felt the urge to record him with my smarphone for the laughs, but at the end of the day he was just a good guy and an enthusiast with everything he did. Boxing is a noble sport after all :)
Hi, just a few questions.
1. Did you flush coco and RDWC?
2. Did you use ripener on coco and RDWC?
3. Did you regulate water temp in RDWC?
Thank you :)
You don't need to flush Coco or RDWC ever if you're not screwing things up
Nice peppers 🌶 👌 ..now I'd love to see what you can do with some Cannabis.