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In this video we go over 2 of the biggest reasons of why we drop the back shoulder. The first reason is pulling the head out aggressively and the big muscles in the upper body take over to keep up, resulting in a dropped back shoulder.
The most common reason is when the hitter over rotates the shoulders and torso in result burying the hands behind the body. This puts an obstacle, the body, in between the hands and the path of the ball. The results in attempting to get the body out of the way to get our hands to the ball also resulting in a dropped back shoulder.
Then we will give you two awesome drills to knock out these problems right away and have you swinging with proper shoulder rotation in no time!
I look forward to helping you improve your baseball in the future!
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Amazing!! Transformed my sons swing in 2 cage sessions. He is so happy now. Most of last season he was in tears. He was 10.
He had a terrible back swing, dropped his hands, then he would load up his shoulders and he would be late or would open up his front side. Just a mess.
Just as the instructor says this is one big fix for a lot of things. Thank you!!
+Jeffrey Cohen Hey Jeffery, thanks for the awesome comment! Really exited for you guys and to hear about the positive changes! Keep working hard/smart and it'll always pay off! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
That was great! My son was the best hitter on his team last year and this year has struggled so much. I videoed him tonight and couldn't figure out what was causing him to drop that shoulder. In BP he mashes the ball but in game has really struggled. So right when I saw you turn your back I saw it. Great drills. We will work on it. I'm glad you mentioned 150 - 200 reps because most kids don't understand how much work it takes to train or re-train muscles. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Todd! Glad the instruction is helping out!
Good eye too on catching the turn. This can give hitters a false sense of accomplishment in BP, being as it is easy for an athlete to get into a rhythm hitting ball after ball. Yet, we all know, when we get into a game, we don't get to stand up there and hit ball after ball.
Also refreshing to hear some understanding that it take quality and quantity repetitions to make good changes and to get them in the swing!
Thanks for commenting and if you ever need help with anything, just let us know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Great tips! I've been struggling with the issue of dropping my back shoulder and these videos have been the most helpful.
julian mercado Thanks Julian!! Glad the videos are helping!! If you ever have any questions just let me know!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Best instruction I've seen so far in my quest to learn why I'm dropping my shoulder and how to fix it. Been playing softball whole life and co-ed now for 10+ yrs (with the big boys, haha). Was always a good hitter but started with consistent problems last season and a guy said I was dropping shoulder. Will try to apply your techniques. SO frustrating when you can't get out of slump! Thx for the tips!!
+Erica Curtis You are most welcome! Glad you liked the instruction!
Good luck with your swing, and if you ever have any questions, just let us know!
Thanks for the awesome comment! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
thx for the video this is a problem I have and have 2 games this weekend and this will really help if any one else has this problem watch this video
+Tanner Collins You are most welcome! Glad you found the instruction helpful!
Good luck to you out there and thanks for the awesome comment! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
thanks!! I've been dropping my back shoulder because of a habit, and by watching your video, it has made me break my habit. Although I still do it, I try doing the drills everyday.
Matt Boyajian That's awesome to hear Matt! Bad habits definitely take some time, attention and lots of reps to break. Keep up the drills and checking yourself on camera and the habit will go away before you know it! Thanks for the awesome comment and good luck! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
No one hits with 'level shoulders" Every good hitter tilts,you have never seen slow mo video of real hitters.Closing the shoulder creates torque against an open front hip.You are totally wrong.
+Molly Johnson I've actually had this same comment brought up quite a few times (you can check responses below).
Pretty much more detail on how the video is more for the "initial" dropping of the back shoulder, and that the back shoulder is lower relative to the front on a proper swing!
Thanks for the comment! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Molly Johnson he is right
Molly Johnson it is called dropping your shoulder, that is not the issue though it just looks like it, that's why people call it that in reality that's not the case.
Exactly Molly, I find most of his videos to be flawed and not what the best coaches and players are teaching and doing.
@molly Johnson you are right and this video is teaching bad technique. You are supposed to hit through the zone not swipe at it.
+Pro Speed Baseball Hi im in little league and i had a problem with dropping my back shoulder and now i fixed it because of you THANK YOU
JoeDoesGamez That's awesome to hear! Really glad the instruction helped you out with your issue! Definitely takes some good hard work to fix, so nice job!
Keep working hard (and smart!)!!
If you ever have any questions, just let me know! Thanks for the great comment too!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
A lot of what you teach is amazing, not doing anything crazy doing work place softabll but firm believer of giving any commitment 100%. Watching your videos for someone with no experience definitely has giving a great starting point.
+kervens francois Hey Kervens! Thanks for the comment! I agree, if your going to do it... DO IT! If you ever have any questions, just let us know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
I love this video! I have a horrible problem with dropping my back shoulder anytime I bat. I think this really going to help! Especially the wall drill and the line in front of the toes! Thank you again!! :)
Morgan Thorpe You are more than welcome, and I'm really glad you liked the video!! Keep working hard and if you get a sec let me know how it goes!! Thanks for the comment!! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
so far this has helped in practice. tomorrow i will see results in a game.
Very thorough video. And clearly explained- I have a 9 year old son and your video will be very useful. That bug flying into your mouth was, I'm sure, not pleasant. Keeping hands in front of the toe line is an epiphany for me. We'll follow your technique. I can't wait to see the fundamentals you've shared in this video result in my son's good solid-sweet-spot-hits. Thank you for your insights.
+Je Cur Haha, yea the bug in the mouth was much less than pleasant.
Really glad to hear you guys like the instruction as well! You guys are most welcome and kudos for taking the time to research the swing!
If you guys ever have any questions, or if there's anything we can help with, just let us know!
Thanks for the awesome comment!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Thank you so much. I've been struggling a lot lately with dropping my back shoulder.
Absolutely. Watch any video of the great mlb hitters. your shoulders follow your hands... back shoulder slightly under for high pitch... back shoulder way down and under for low ball... watch any great hitter. Amazing how many hacks out there pretending to be coaches
thanks so much. this ties together so many things that my son needs to develop a great swing.
+13jorino You are most welcome! Really glad you found the instruction helpful. Thanks for the comment!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
when I'm at the plate I always struggle to hit. but it didn't used to be this way, we got a new hitting coach at school and he tried to change my swing and when I figured out it wasn't working for me I tried to come back to what I was originally doing when I had one of the best averages on the team and I've fixed my swing for the most part but I was told I was staying in my backside and not coming forward after I load. I think that is causing me to drop my back shoulder. this video really helped thanks.
Watch all the great hitters in MLB they drop their shoulder , have a rotational hand path and don't throw their hands straight at the ball. They also hit at an upward angle, which I have seen you previously describe as a bad thing to do. Sure don't double load, you load once with your stride and then keep everything connected during the swing..legs, hips ,shoulders and hands.
Hey ampatau! Thanks for the comment! You are absolutely right, all good hitters back shoulder will be lower relative to the front shoulder during the swing. This video is to help fix the dropping of the back shoulder when it is overdone resulting in a severe upper cut, or over compensated swing. As far as the angle that we hit, you should really check out the Swing Plane Video Here: th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html
The video explains the physics of what actually creates the swing plane. One thing I didn't mention in that video, in order to keep from over complicating it, is that when the barrel does drop below the hand path line, the counterbalance between the barrel and the hands will level out the hand path. This shows that the initial move to the ball is straight to it from the loaded position and that the speed and momentum created by the swing is what naturally gets us into the correct positions. The video explains it pretty well!
If you have any questions or if there's anything I can help with don't hesitate to let me know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
You're correct, to a point. However, there's a slight difference between a shoulder drop and a shoulder rotation -which results in a lower back shoulder. The key is to look at the torso. If the torso is relatively straight, then it's more than likely rotational lowering of the back shoulder (good). If the torso is leaning back (think bent at the ribs) then it's a back shoulder drop (bad). It's very nuanced, but accurate for improved hitting. I'm going through this right now with my young team. It's a tough habit to break.
This just explained a lot I'm a sophomore on varsity it's my first year on varsity and a little behind and popping stuff up it makes a lot more sense now and definitely will do the wall drill thank you
+Jacob Carrico You are more than welcome. Really glad you found the instruction helpful!
Good luck with your season and if you have any other questions, just let us know!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Skip to 5:30 to actually get to the drill
Fr when the bug flies down his throat with the meme made me cry😂😂 but this helped me out so much
Haha, yea it tasted great :P Glad you got a good laugh out of it! Even better the instruction helped out!
Thanks for bringing me back down memory "bug in mouth" lane! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
thank you sooo much
You are so welcome! Thanks for commenting! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
I am very excited to try this method for my next game
Good advice. Thanks
Thanks for the awesome tips! My dad has complemented my swing! Thank you
This video helped a great amount
Awesome, glad it helped! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
could not be more wrong,,95 percent of hall of fame hitters tilt and lower the back shoulder,watch slow mo mlb swings and get a clue
Johnny Johnson but dropping their shoulder is not the first move.
what hall of famers you been watching my dude,
Thanks
Great video & awesome tips. Can I use these techniques for slow high ark softball?
I'm a player and I have this big middle school tryout for their baseball team in the spring. I have worked with a personal coach and camps and each one of them says I'm dropping my hands when I swing. Other than the drills in the video, what other drills can help me not drop my hands? Thank you and I hope to hear from you soon.
i love your video . It always help me a lot. thanks mic
How do you activate the springy fascia if you don't go to the apex of the load? If you keep the hands in front of the line, are you at your apex of your load?
you just helped me out a lot. Now I can help my kids with this issue. I subscribed and definitely checking your other vids out. thanks!
Thank you very much this video helped me a lot I always used to strike out now today in my game I hit the ball every time I was at bat again, thank u very much
That is awesome to hear, you are most welcome. Keep working hard! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Great video, but 1 question! Is the toe line start on the front toe, back, or middle of feet?
+Stephen Billings front toe.
+Stephen Billings +vMaaCK Thanks vMaaCK! You're spot on, the vertical toe line starts right in front to the front toes!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball lmao welcome haha
I have a problem popping the ball up but I don't think it's because of any of the reasons you stated in the video. could it be because I lean forward when I bat? this is kind of what it looks like. \
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should I have a straighter torso?
Good video. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment Jeff! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Hey thanks for the vid by I nees help keep in head down reading ball keeping my head down and not dipping can I have a video foe that plz
This was an amazing video it really helped me!, thanks !
+Davis Perruccio You are most welcome! Thanks for the awesome comment, really glad you liked the instruction!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Mike is an awesome coach...subscribed
+Doc Holliday Hey Doc, thanks for the awesome comment and subscribing. Really glad to hear you like the instruction!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Thanks for this video. I've been looking all over for something to help me get my son's swing down. He's been dropping his shoulder, dragging his hands and turning his head. This is a good way for me to help him rebuild his swing and confidence. He's 9 and is becoming frustrated. I'm going to have him sit with me and watch this and your other videos and then we'll get to work. Once he feels comfortable, we'll go to a cage. We've got a small backyard so we'll use whiffle balls until he's ready for the cage.One additional question, do you guys have pitching drills videos? He throws VERY hard, but has no consistent control. His coaches love his arm, but are concerned because he's wild.How do I get him to harness his arm strength, but ensure he's got CONTROL?
+Keith Evans You are most welcome, I'm glad you liked it and found it helpful!
Sounds like you have a great mindset for getting your son's swing better. It is crucial to get pieces right before trying to go full speed, and by implementing hitting in the back yard with wiffle balls is a great way to do that.
It is a controlled environment where you can concentrate on correcting mechanical flaws!
I would highly suggest checking out the free introduction videos at ProSpeedBaseball.com, they are a great place to start and diagnose issues for the entire swing.
And yes, we do have pitching videos, we are actually in the process of putting together a whole pitching system similar to our hitting system available on the website.
We have a great pitching series that you can check out here:
www.prospeedbaseball.com/#!power-pitching-series/gf5hy
I would also recommend checking out our Aroldis Chapman series we have on TH-cam.
Hope these help out! If you every have any questions or if there's anything we can help with, just let us know!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Hi pro speed baseball
I've been coaching a high school team for 2 years now. Some kids have been brought up on the rotational hitting philosophy which i believe is a quite difficult philosophy to execute unless you are a phenomenal hitter with great athletic swings. Some of these kids dip constantly due to the swing patterns that they are being shown from major league hitters (parents are showing our hitters pics of rotational swings from MLB). I love the idea of throwing the hands at the bat and using solid top hand action to swing the bat and hit line drives. Do you think there can be a balance of these two ides to help kids stop dipping the back shoulder.
James Grinstead Hey James, thanks for the question! If you haven't yet, I would HIGHLY recommend checking out the Swing Plane Secret video on the PSB TH-cam Channel: th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html
This video goes over the physics of what actually happens to the bat in the baseball swing. I've tried to stay away for the whole Linear vs Rotational hitting philosophies because they don't make sense as far as physics go.
Linear hitting is said to be when you go from point A to B in a straight line. If you look at it from a physics standpoint: If you swing with any kind of speed, without consciously trying to manipulate the bat, the bat head will not move on the same path of the hands. It will drop nicely and actually look like what people call rotational hitting.
You are absolutely right when you say that only hitters who are exceptional athletes (and having a good day) can make what people call a "rotational swing" work.
When hitters try to manipulate the bat, which you would have to do to swing "rotational", you are simply fighting against physics and making hitting much more difficult.
The most difficult thing you will most likely have to deal with is players making bad or less than efficient swings and still getting hits, which would reassure them that they are swinging correctly even when this may not be the case.
If you have one kid who is a great athlete, swinging wrong, and getting hits, everyone will assume that's the way you should swing. Probably the toughest part about baseball instruction right there, making bad swings and getting hits, when your players could be hitting better with a more efficient swing.
This is a very difficult subject to explain over text, but I hope this at least helps. You most definitely sound like your on the right track as far as how you want your hitters to swing.
If you have any other questions or would like to discuss this further don't hesitate to let me know, I would be more than happy to help out.
Good Luck with your team! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
hey I have been swinging under the ball lately and when i do hit the ball it is always a pop up do you have any suggestions for me
Landon Rascoe Hey Landon, thanks for the comment! First thing I would start with are the drills in this video where you really make sure the hands stay in front and in a good position. I would also suggest checking out this video:
th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html
This is a great video to help with understanding how the swing works and it gives a great swing thought with drills. The swing thought is relaxed hands to the ball (you'll see in the video) and if you couple that with good hand positioning it will greatly reduce the chance of pop ups.
Remember to check yourself on camera or in a mirror to make sure the positions are right and understand too that the best hitters pop out regularly. Most of the time when a hitter with a good swing pops out, it's either a timing issue or a slight mishit.
Hope this helps! If you have any further questions on this or anything else don't hesitate to let me know!
Good Luck! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Thank you it helped a lot
Love your videos! Got a good drill for someone who drops their hands?? Also one for lower body or hip explosion. Thx. Kyle
Kyle Gordon Hey Kyle, Thanks for the comment and question! I actually have videos coming out on both of these subjects. The drill for dropping the hands will be an over exaggeration of opposite of dropping the hands. The drill goes like this: You start out with your hands low and raise them to about shoulder height and then swing. This would be the opposite motion of dropping your hands. You do this drill until you get comfortable with swinging from the shoulder area then you work on starting and swinging with your hands high.
As far as the hips go, the biggest tell tale that we use our hips efficiently is the rotation of the back foot. Ideally we will have the shoe laces of our back foot pointing towards center field at the finish of the swing. Because of the relationship of the the anatomy between the foot and the hip, we can gauge how much we use our hips by our foot position. Therefore we can concentrate on firing our back foot faster and therefore use our hips much more effectively. Be on the lookout for the videos coming out for a better visual explanation, yet if you have any questions on this or anything else in the meantime, don't hesitate to let me know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Do you have any tips on how to get on a toe at contact? I have always been taught the "squish the bug" method
+Shane Flaningam Check out our Squash the Bug video:
th-cam.com/video/EVusVgzZy6s/w-d-xo.html
It goes over the proper parameters with the backside!
Let us know if you have any questions! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
excellent video!
Thank you for this I had a bad problem with this just not making good contact but I have a question so obviously we have our hands out front but when we stride and our hands move how far should they go cuz I feel like maybe I extend my hands too far during my stride
+Jake Davidson Great question, I'm actually considering doing a video on this very subject. First and foremost, knowing the proper load parameters is key. We have a free instructional video on the load at ProSpeedBaseball.com, that will show you just that.
After you load, just pay attention to the relationship between how far your hands are away from your body. After you stride, you can pause and check your load again and make sure the hands are close to the same relationship.
Main thing you don't want is a front arm that is too straight. The load parameters will go over that!
Hope this helps out! If you have any other questions, just let us know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
This helped
Love the videos. Keep it up
High tea drill also helps!!
hey, I'm struggling at the plate and seem to have trouble throwing the barrel and having a level bat through the zone any tip or drills. Thanks, need all the help possible.
First tip would be to stop thinking about what the bat is doing and concentrate on your hands.
Also, thinking "level" is a FEEL not a technique. Check out the Swing Plane Secret Videos on the PSB TH-cam Channel:
th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Pg7J0PVNW4k/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/T17fgs1MW2I/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps out! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
+Pro Speed Baseball thanks
This is so helpful! Subscribed.
Thanks for the great comment and for subscribing! More great stuff coming out soon!
~Michael Pro Speed Basbeall
awesome!
I did the drill and it worked the first couple times i took bp, but i went back to dropping my shoulder. My hands are still in front of the line but my shoulder and bat still drop. Anything else that will solve this problem?
Thanks for the question! Without physically seeing your swing it'd be tough to tell what's going on.
The hands if front of the line is one of the common reasons for the shoulder to drop too soon, however it's not the only reason.
I'd suggest tilting your shoulders forward at setup and think about maintaining that angle as you transition your hands going to the ball. The back shoulder will be lower relative to the front shoulder as you swing through.
Hope this helps out! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
A boy on my son's little league team does that, REALLY bad, SMS one of the coaches told him to bite his lead shoulders shirt sleeve. I have never heard that advice, and I can see many things wrong with that advice, what sre your thoughts on that?
I've actually seen this before... a long time ago actually. It all simply depends on the individual hitter. Things a little crazy like biting your shirt can possibly help... but it's simply a "band-aid" until the issue is resolved. More times than not, big swing flaws like this are caused by other issues... the best thing to do is get the big pieces of the swing in order. This usually alleviates any big problems and if it doesn't then it's good to try things out to fix it. ~ Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Good points about over-rotating the shoulders during the load. However, that is a separate issue from dropping the shoulder, IMO. In the clip used of Miggy, his back shoulder is very tilted at contact. How do they become so tilted if he does not drop the shoulder during the swing?
+Glenn Alexander Hey Glen, thanks for the comment. Unfortunately I should have been much more clear for the intentions of this video lesson, considering I've had the same question many times.
I'm learning from my mistakes. :P
The intention of this video is to address the over-dropping of the back shoulder in the swing leading to an "upper cut" like swing.
Every hitter will have the back shoulder lower relative to the lead shoulder during the swing.
If you have any other questions, just let us know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
+Pro Speed Baseball Thanks. I didn't read the other comments. Sorry if redundant. You are correct, IMO, in that hitters can over-do it w/ shoulder tilt, or drop shoulder prematurely. Similarly when you say uppercut swing. Swing should be on a slight upward plane, IMO, but not excessive.
Anytime! And you're right, this tilt done prematurely can be really tough on the swing!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
I do this all the time and I couldn't stop
When im batting in a game I always hit grounders because im swinging down to the ball is there a drill to help with that
Owen Maxwell I would highly recommend checking out the "Swing Plane Video" here: th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html
It will really help with showing what should happen with the hand path and swing plane. For now I would recommend to FEEL like you are swinging slightly up for a couple of days the go to more of a swing thought of taking "relaxed hands" to the ball. (You will see in the video what I'm talking about)
The reason you only want to FEEL like you're swing slightly up for a couple of days is to get out of overdoing the downward motion you are most likely having trouble with. Just keep in mind that the "relaxed hands to ball" in the video isn't a one thing fixes everything deal, you still need to have good all around mechanics!!
Hope this helps!! If you have any other questions don't hesitate to let me know! Good Luck!!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Hello!
I was practicing the exercise that you have said , but I still dropping my elbow and the result is that I still making pops outs , what I can do ? thank you
Sorry to hear you're struggling!
The drills in this video help with a specific issue, if you have a slightly different issue you might need to focus on other drills and positions.
Now the drills in this video are crucial for good hitting, yet if you are still dropping, it might not be from the issues presented in this lesson.
It sounds like you might be dropping your hands, which in turn would make your elbow drop.
Check out this video:
th-cam.com/video/S0AhdKEZzB/w-d-xo.html
Hope this helps out! If you have any questions just let us know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Watch any major league power hitter and their pitcher side shoulder is higher than their catcher side shoulder. Here is the caveat, their spine is a straight vertical line; it is not tilted. They raise their front shoulder by shrugging their trap muscle. This allows the use of the triceps in the swing as opposed to the rotator cuff in the swing. Watch a McCutchen video for a great example. You always swing about your spine as your upper body rotates about it. If your spine is angled by bending at the hips you will swing upward and ground out or pop up. This video will be effective once you understand this. Hope you don't think I hijacked this comment section I just hate seeing people not understand a good instructional.
I'm just interested, did you Pro Speed Baseball play professional baseball?
Lee friedman Thanks for the question! Yes, I did play professionally, mostly in independent professional leagues. I did get invited to affiliated spring training where I unfortunately was injured and released :( Thanks again for the question and let me know if you have any others or if there's anything I can do to help out!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball This is not a question, but I have this dropping hands/ back shoulder habit. No matter what I do I am still dropping my hands. I know this because I am still hitting pop ups
Lee friedman If you haven't yet, check out the new Swing Plane video:
th-cam.com/video/a_tJvSCvgRE/w-d-xo.html&lc=z12tvn3b4yjpznd0g23dxdghkurpth3kq
Great stuff to understand and there's a great drill at the end of the video that will be really good for your hands!
Let me know if you ever have any questions or if there's anything I can do to help out! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball I have one more question. How did you ignore the fans cheering, so well and not get nervous? When people cheer me on, that kind of makes me even more nervous
Lee friedman Great question! The answer is: Tons of ways. Every player is going to be a little different. Whether you take deep breaths, imagine your in a batting cage, or simply get used to it, every individual will do something different. Personally, early on the fans and fellow players cheering was nerve racking yet I learned to love it and feed off of it.
I will give you one quick trick you can us though, ear plugs. Not the best thing in the world if you need to hear your base coaches, yet they will definitely help you "tune" out the fans. You can try using them at first until you eventually get comfortable playing in front of a crowd.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions on this or anything else, don't hesitate to let me know!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
The reason golfers turn their shoulders to 'behind' the ball is because they swing with a straight front arm and need to release the club at a point on the ground forming a line from the front shoulder, thru the hands, thru the club to the ball.
I don't know any MLB player that keeps his hands in front of his toes. This drill helps in your flawed technique of hands to the ball... a linear approach to hitting which good hitters abandon once they figure out it doesn't work when the pitching gets better. This is usually around 12 yrs old. The reason the back shoulder needs to drop is to keep the shoulders on-plane... pointed at the anticipated hitting zone. The bat needs to stay on-plane, also. In your video insert @4:35-37 you see the hitter on-plane... shoulders tilted to match the plane of the bat... left arm and elbow rising to keep the bat on-plane AND the bat path ASCENDING... that mean RISING to match the descending pitch. This is not an upper cut swing. Read Ted Williams book. Check out what Barry Bonds says. Watch dozens of MLB swings. The pro swing path goes thru the hitting zone anywhere from +5 degrees to +15 degrees. PSB, get a Zepp or Easton sensor and check your launch angles. You're negative from swinging down, thinking you are cutting the ball for backspin. False, false and more false. Check the Zepp promo video of Mike Trout.
You guys are so invested in the old A to B T-ball swing that you can't even see the truth in the very video you inserted!!!!
When you see a hitting guru swing down and his arms straighten out, elbows pinching together.... RUN AWAY!!
Hey Telkev, thanks for the comment! I'd higly recommend checking out the Swing Plane videos on the PSB Channel. They go over the physics of what happens to the bat when the hand path is directly to the ball.
Swing Plane Secret
Swing Plane Secret Revisited
Take Your Hands to the Fricken Ball
There is a counterbalance-type action that happens that gives the bat the positive direction. Pretty cool stuff.
Also the shoulder drop mentioned in this video is for the initial dropping of the shoulder, not the through swing. Every hitter's back shoulder will be lower in relationship to the lead shoulder on the through swing!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
I'm not sure why people say you're not suppose to drop your back shoulder when hitting. You have to drop the back shoulder to hit a ball below the shoulders. It's impossible to keep your shoulders level and hit anything but a ball that's level with or above the shoulders.
And the evidence is in your video when you dropped your back shoulder to hit the ball off the T.
Thanks for the comment! We've had this come up quite a bit! See comments below!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Thank you so much I've been hitting a lot and I just can not figure out what I was doing thank you so much
+Colby Stadler You are most welcome Colby! Glad to hear the instruction is helping! Thank you for the awesome comment!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
when I load up and swing, my coach always says swing through your load up, what does this mean?
+spin club kidz Thanks for the question!
To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what your coach means. haha! I would firstly suggest asking him specifically what that means.
Coaches will, on occasion, come up with their own terminology for things they want their players to do. Doesn't mean it's either right or wrong, you'll just need an understanding as to what the coach is talking about.
Sorry I couldn't answer your question specifically, but if you have any questions on the load or anything else, I would be more than happy to help out! Just let me know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Great video can u make a video on barry bonds swing
JimmyTheG Sure can! Will put it on the top of my list! Thanks for watching! ~ Michael Pro Speed Baseball
JimmyTheG Not sure if you saw it yet, but here's the link to the new Barry Bonds Video! Thanks for the request!!th-cam.com/video/qiIgMfhK_LY/w-d-xo.html
Really? You say that when you turn your shoulders you can actually swing the bat harder, but....don't do it. Also, don't drop your back shoulder. Then you show a video of Miggy turning his shoulders, dropping the back shoulder, and hitting the junk out of the ball. So why shouldn't we do it? Please post a video with you hitting bombs using your method. I want to hit bombs, not ground balls to second base that become outs.
My next game I hit a homerun after using these drills
Very informative video. However as you see most of the best hitters, who get paid a lot of money drop the shoulders.
+Team Diaz I've actually had this same comment brought up quite a few times (you can check responses below).
Pretty much more detail on how the video is more for the "initial" dropping of the back shoulder, and that the back shoulder is lower relative to the front on a proper swing!
Thanks for the comment! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
+Pro Speed Baseball ok thank you!
How do you keep a kid (13 yr) from tip toeing on the back foot and stay down and through the ball.
+Johnny Arellano Not entirely sure what the issue is...? Is his back foot moving around before swinging?
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
How often should I do this?
Hey Marcus, thanks for the question!
Drill work is all based on the individual's needs. The drills in this video may be drills you do your entire career and they may be drills you do until you get the issue resolved.
Simply depends.
The trick is to first, understand proper technique, then know what needs to be worked on to achieve that technique.
If that's this drill and you get it going good, then maybe you stop doing it and the issue returns, simply keep doing the drill!
Looks like I turned an easy question into a hard one! :)
Hope it makes sense! If you have any other questions on this or anything else, just let us know!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
lmaoooo dude the video you showed with miggy even HE is dropping his back shoulder. in fact the "uppercut" swing you show in the first 15 seconds of this video is actually where elite players make contact and how they approach the ball. the other 9 minutes is total crap.
I don't think the shoulder tilt is an illusion. They have to in order to get proper bat path to ball. Also hands dont drop to the ball the barrel is controlled by side bend to get to lower pitches. The arc is on plane deep in swing going up to the ball With back elbow on hip slight bend in front elbow maintaining a good hitters bucket extending after ball contact. The issue is in wt shift to front side rotating only on the front leg releasing back side. When wt is not transferred to front and kept on back side then that changes the angle of swing to the so called upper cut and acts like an anchor to the full turn.
hey man i have a quick question
Where is your facility located at in Florida?
We are based in Orlando. Thanks for the question! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Can you not see your shoulder tilt as you hit,,why do you not teach what you see?
7:09 I thought he hit a car
spin club kidz Haha, wrong place wrong time! Nice eye. Thanks for the comment! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Mike. thank you. i follow all your videos and use them to coach my son Luke. he is doing so well with your teaching and videos. he just turned 15 and has a exit velo of 90mph. please check out his videos i have on youtube. Luke Haradzin 2019 grad.
thanks Mike.
Ron
Ron Haradzin on my son team kid is also 15.8 months and is at 96-99 consistently. Can't wait to see the big one oh oh.
in your swing at 7:09 your shoulders are not level. in fact, the only reason you hit that ball is because you dropped your shoulder. if you wouldn't have, you would have hit a rollover.
Thanks for the input Joel! If you check out the past comments, this video was about over-doing the dropping of the back shoulder... Most common in younger players. Thanks for commenting! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball so what's wrong with dropping the back shoulder? Heard it all my life but not one single person I played professionally with kept their shoulders level in their swing
It would be anatomically very hard to swing with any speed without the back shoulder getting lower to the lead shoulder... So there's nothing wrong for the shoulders to create this angle... The mix up here is that I wasn't as detailed in my earlier videos on exactly what I was explaining... This video is essentially for hitters who lean back (aka drop backs shoulder) before the swing initiates.
Miguel Cabrera is a great example of NOT doing this... if you take a look at his swing from face on, before his hands begin forward momentum his shoulders are tilted down, then when the swing initiates (forward hand momentum) the back shoulder begins to work under the lead shoulder. ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
The craziest stuff I have ever heard . that is what is wrong with most hitters because thats what they do.
wow terrible understanding of what is really going on in the swing. Just slow motion Trout or any of the top baseball or even softball and the back shoulder drops under front shoulder as you rotate to ball and have and upper angle to ball on path.
Haha, thanks for the comment Arnie! I've had lots of comments like this on this video... I did this one a few years back and wasn't clear on the point I was getting across. Actually today, we are releasing a video on the shoulder tilt illusion and I mention this video in then new lesson. You should check it out when you get a chance! Thanks for commenting! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Up until now, I have agreed with a lot of your videos, but this one is ridiculous. You obviously don't pay attention to professional hitters. If the hitter has an athletic posture, unlike the one you are displaying, the shoulder will automatically drop that is caused by the spine angle tilt at the launch or stride position. Also, the hitter does not need to get his front shoulder facing the first base coach to get power from his shoulders, but merely slightly down and to the 2nd baseman. Stop over exaggerating these movements and pay more attention to the top hitters in the game. There are huge shoulder angles at impact. I am a full time instructor and have been coaching for over 30 years, and you my friend are lost....
He is terrible at teaching hitting!!!!!
I know u from somewhere
3:42 is when you really start talking about the headline of your video mate. You could have post a very concise 5 min video
Daniel Sira Thanks again Daniel, again another early video. Will continue to work on it!! ~Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball Thanks for your response...really helpful video btw..
I have a huge problem with this...
can you send me a marucci bat or a mako
ok the lines didn't work out.
This advice is so bad, I wondered if it’s a sarcastic parody
Direct to the ball,hands to the ball,worse hitting cliches ever
you really need to study great hitters. The back shoulder is always lower than the front. Watch your own sample MLB hitter in your video. If your going to teach hitting learn the fundamentals. Please go to Matt Antonelli's videos!!!!!!
I don’t get it. You bad mouth hitters who replace their shoulders and swing with a launch angle, but hen show an example of a MLB doing exactly that. Then you top it off by showing tee work where you drop your shoulder and strike the ball with the bat not perfectly level with the ground. Plus, you had launch angle. Do you watch your own videos?
Every major league player drops their back shoulder.
Hit it over
+Chad Mcelhaney Already did! - th-cam.com/video/ne874jBGYEc/w-d-xo.html
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
This is bad technique. You are supposed to get on plane with early. You are swiping like you are putting on a seatbelt. Your shoulder is supposed to drop so that you can get on plane with the ball
WE HAVE TO DROP OUR SHOULDER TO HIT look at major league swing every hitter drops there shoulder we wouldn't be able to hit
Karie Miller Hey Karie! I have had a quite a few similar comments (below) on this video. Wishing now that I was more clear in the intro :P
You are absolutely right that the back shoulder will be lower relative to the front shoulder throughout the swing. This video is more for when this move is severely overdone, especially at the start of the swing, resulting in an excessive upper cut.
If you ever have any questions or if there's anything I can help out
with don't hesitate to let me know!!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball thank you now I get what problem you adressed
No problemo!! Thanks for keeping me straight!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Do everything opposite of what his saying
I feel confused
Alejandra Alvarez del Castillo Hi Alejandra! Sorry you feel confused! Definitely wasn't going for that ;) I would be more than happy to clarify any questions you might have. Just let me know! ~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
You are so wrong that I am worry about kids listening to this , please don’t keep teaching this , you should learn better before come to TH-cam and do this , honestly
This really makes no sense at all. I am not trying to be rude, but have you ever watched MLB or elite players swing a baseball bat? The back shoulder must drop, dip, or tilt if you prefer, in order to hit pitches lower than our shoulders. So, go back and watch your video here and then the video of Miggy and you will see that BOTH, you and Miggy's shoulders drop, dip, or as I prefer to say, tilt. Your description here just doesn't make sense or stay in with you what you really do. Have you ever heard the question; "Do we teach what we really see?" Google it...It's a question a very smart hitting instructor asked 20 years ago...someone who played and tutored under Ted Williams. Good luck. I suppose if you are teaching a linear type of swing then I guess it is okay...???
The Baseball Barn Hey Baseball Barn! I have had a couple of similar questions on this video. You are absolutely right that the back shoulder will be lower relative to the front shoulder throughout the swing. This video is more for when this move is severely overdone, especially at the start of the swing, resulting in an excessive upper cut.
If you ever have any questions or if there's anything I can help out with don't hesitate to let me know!!
~Michael Pro Speed Baseball
Pro Speed Baseball That would make better sense. If I may offer a tip; look for the position of the front shoulder at heel plant. If the front shoulder is tilted up at heel plant you can certainly have issues with bat path and bat drag. Also, when the player/hitter starts pushing his hands away form his body/behind his shoulder during his stride or weight shift, as opposed to turning his hands with his shoulders, and then having the inside part of his top hand pointing skyward which causes the barrel to point more towards the ground, this is definitely a cause for extreme uppercutting and at times roll over ground balls. Good luck!
Pro Speed Baseball what would you say is a severly over done way of doing it
I don't understand your question...a severely way of over doing what? Dropping your back shoulder? If you are referring to a player popping the ball up or undercutting the ball, I find it is the barrel of the bat being dropped below the plane of the pitch and then dragging the bat up undercutting the ball, or by dropping the hands too far the below the shoulder line and using poor technique...such as starting the swing with the upper body and allowing the top hand to flatten out too early.
The Baseball Barn The guy from The Baseball Barn is right. People need to start using the magic of slow motion video. Somehow, somewhere, somebody said "stay back, don't deep your back shoulder and swing down" this teaching spread like a virus and contaminated youth baseball players, parents and coaches. Follow Baseball Barn, Mike Epstein and Baseball Rebellion if you want to learn how to swing the bat.
Swinging down at the ball will only work until pitching get good and that second and shortstop becomes a beast.
You should be block from you tube , please kids don’t listen to this guy , he is totally wrong , please follow Matt Antonelly , please parent don’t let your kids listen to this guy
WTF did I just watch? 🤦🏽♂️