The other contenders in the mix to become F1's newest team
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- The prospect of the Formula 1 grid getting bigger in the near future seems excitingly realistic and there are more contenders to land a new entry than you might think.
Andretti’s grand announcement of its tie-up with General Motors and Cadillac was a head-turning, public declaration of intent, ahead of the FIA formally opening the process to evaluate potential new entries.
That was met with a swift message from F1 that a number of conversations are taking place, indicating there are multiple contenders and some are just conducting their business in private
This was interpreted by some as the latest tit-for-tat in a long stand-off between F1 and Andretti. But it seems to be rooted in fact because the options to be F1’s next new team do look plentiful.
We’ve already focused on Andretti and Cadillac. Now it’s time to assess that project’s competition for an extra slot on the grid.
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00:00 Growing interest in F1
01:15 Ford
02:44 Porsche
03:50 Calvin Lo
05:02 Hyundai
06:07 Hitech
07:57 Honda
09:27 Panthera Team Asia
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We could easily have two more teams from compelling outfits. This isn't 2010, these groups are from worldwide organisations with notable motorsporting credentials. Any posturing from the teams is only going to cause fan backlash, which is NOT something that FOM wants after embracing the fandom.
FOM don’t have a say sadly, I’m sure they’d love the extra marketing. It’s the FIA and the teams, the teams having far too much say in the matter
@@tyler_bt3326 FOM and FIA never wanted extra F1 teams to enter F1...
Alpha Tauri, Williams and Haas arent worldwide organizations, so yes, this would be 2010 all over again, those teams would be slower, struggle to build, bring paydrivers and eventually bankrupt.
Oh I dunno, I think a few of F1's recent decisions show that protecting their financial interests is safely prioritised above risk of fan backlash...
Sadly Horner ( who should remember where he started his career) and money bags Wolf, want more money.
We could easily see 3 works manufacturers join the grid in the next 5 years. Ford with RedBull, Porsche with Williams, Andretti with GM and Honda being Honda. Not to mention Aston Martin have the 5 year goal to start building their own engines and do away with their Mercedes contract. Exciting times ahead of the sport!
Mercedes is one of Aston Martin's (road car company) biggest share holders (20%, according to Reuters). Mercedes AMG engines power the road cars. AMR GP is an independent company of Aston Martin (AFAIK fully owned by Lawrence Stroll personally), so they can do whatever they want but Mercedes may want to have a word whether AMR GP would be allowed to continue to use the Aston Martin branding.
Don't know if I would refer to a branding deal as a manufacturer joining the grid.
Indeed. That's what i like to hear.
But, GM is very non committal atm. So, i think they can easily just stick to the branding deal.
I am not sure they are willing to give Andretti engine support. I think they are dipping a toe to perhaps go in with their own works team.
@@KAMiKAZOW currently Strolls consortium holds an 18.3% share in Aston Martin Lagonda, with a Saudi Arabian Fund holding 16.7%. Mercedes only have a 9.7% investment in the company.
@@tyler_bt3326 Mercedes has a shares for car parts deal with Aston Martin and Reuters wrote last July that Mercedes' will be 20% by 2023 and it's 2023 now. They can't be that wrong in a time frame of a few months...
As a neutral fan, I'd like to say that the more the merrier.
Upto 13 would be cool.
After just seeing Porsche’s video they might be teaming up with Williams. Also Gulf becoming a sponsor for Williams we might see Porsche Williams in a Gulf livery!
That would be cool!
Don't give me hope like this.... 🙈
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos me too. I see what u may gonna say here...
@@LordandGodofTH-cam wish we could see 12 candidates for new F1 2026 Projects including Panthera Team Asia. If Panthera F1 Team Asia did join F1 in 2026. I belive their driver lineups could be Mei Yoneme and Shiki Wakana.
@@purwantiallan5089 I'm for as many cars as possible if they are good quality and would stick around, but I think once you go over 24 you would have other issues that might be too much, like asking track owners to build bigger pit buildings to accommodate them.
I remember the days of 26 cars on the grid, that was much better than just the 20 we have now so I'd certainly like to see 2 or more teams join.
I think Toyota should make a come back. Their hybrid tech would be up there with the best.
Yep. Mei Yoneme and Shiki Wakana are also seeking F1 seats right now. Possibly Panthera Team Asia?
Their hybrid road car tech is far and away the most advanced in the world.
@@sammerry7706 i dont think they will be the best but will def be up there. You really cant compare a system for range vs performance. And they have done very well competing with porsche and audi in wec when they all used to race.
@@purwantiallan5089 if they could get Toyota's backing then that would be the legitimacy they've been looking for the last 4 years
@@purwantiallan5089who?
If Porsche can get into F1, that would be historic.
With Audi also on the grid, the thought of seeing that old Le Mans rivalry being brought into F1 is... Mouth-watering. It would also be incredible to see Porsche take on Ferrari again, but this time in a sport that Ferrari has defined for the better part of a century.
I belive if Porsche can get into F1, i wonder how their driver lineups look like? Could be Rise Kujikawa and Yukiko Amagi or Yu Narukami??
@@thecheese4960 I meant as a works manufacturer, like how they have been in WEC/Le Mans for decades. They haven't tried that since the 60s.
In light of recent news, that's not happening anymore. But fundamentally, Porsche don't need F1, it's a luxury for them. Not like endurance racing where it's in their DNA. It's the other way around for a manufacturer like Ferrari.
I'd really love to see Lada come in as a works team.
Straight winners
Binotto could be the tp
Remember when Renault F1 cars had a huge Lada sponsorship? Fun fact: After the 2022 war Renault sold their Russian operations away for 1 euro 😅
You already do. They are called Ferraris strat team 😂😂
Well, they will break down but the driver will get his spanner out of the pocket and fix it before other runners will have half a lap in.
This is the trouble Andretti Cadillac (and Panthera) have. Realistically you can only get 2, maybe 3 more teams in, and F1 would much rather those be full works from Ford, Porsche, Hyundai or Honda (although I’d be inclined to refuse Honda for being too fickle). F1 would be wise to get all the offers on the table first and then decide. But I would say that refusing Andretti now would be a bad look, even if a works Ford team would be worth more
Well, they could buy Haas or AlphaTauri, but that's unlikely.
Not exactly as Ford is probably not interested on a full works team, and GM wants in. That gives Andretti a lot of credibility and would be insane to not let them join at this point. But for sure, we need two more teams on F1. I see Porsche buying Williams, and Ford going full circle with Red Bull.
You are underestimating GM. They will bring their own engine probably from 2028. The other teams you mentioned are fiddling their thumbs. Porsche wants full control with minimum effort. Fck them.
Works teams are the problem of F1. These manufacturers should just supply engines and have normal teams like back in the day. If a manufacturer wants to compete they can’t sell their engines and problem solved. This whole two tier F1 system will have me watch less races this year.
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 Panthera Team Asia could buy AlphaTauri i think. If they do, Mei Yoneme and Shiki Wakana could be their driver lineups.
Hope FIA and F1 will maximize the teams to 13 on the grid for 2026 season, just like the old times.
26 cars in monaco?
Hopefully! That would be 6 new seats for others to take part in.
with new tech regulations 2026, new cars will become smaller , and should be fit on every circuits
or sooner
Would love to see toyota make a return given how much theyve won in other disciplines the past few years in wrc wec and dakar
I second this. 100%
Their racing division, Gazoo, is honestly one of the best works-outfits on the planet right now. If Toyota took another crack at F1 today, it would be a VERY different Toyota to the one that contested F1 two decades ago. That's a lot of learning time. Plus, people with F1 experience like Kamui Kobayashi drives for their WEC team AND is their team manager at the same time (slightly embarrassing then if the boss crashes the car. 😅)
But this operation is a very serious one in world motorsport.
Mei Yoneme and Shiki Wakana. Their possible 2026 Panthera Team Asia F1 Team if they join F1.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos While I love TGR as well, they will have their hands full in the WEC the coming seasons. I'm sure they are willing to prove that their Dominance the last years was not due to Lack of competition but due to them being a good team.
(And when did Kobayashi crash the car? I believe the Monza incident was his misjudgement, but other then that and the Sebring crash by Lopez the #7 got incident free through the season if I remember correctly.)
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos true, but I think their past experience was so mediocre it might had scared them away for a long time. Especially considering the insane costs of F1.
Can't speak to Dakar, but seems generous to recognize their WRC/WEC record given the weak competition in one and non-existent competition in the other after Audi/Porsche finished slapping them around.
The prospect of the Formula 1 grid getting bigger in the near future might seem exciting but F1 needs teams that will stay the course & not quit when the going gets tough.
10 teams entering F1 is FAR TOO FEW. We want 50.
@@purwantiallan5089 100 car around Monaco? That's just highway traffic mate.
Toto won't allow it. He's the real boss
@@purwantiallan5089 lol no we don't.
"not quit when the going gets tough"? so literally the opposite of honda
The only legitimate reason to deny Andretti/Cadillac a team is if F1 already has commitments from two of these other bigger brands. I really hope all this interest leads to a full grid of 12 teams again.
Not entirely true; Michael Andretti is infamous in the F1 paddock for being conspiratorial, lazy and confrontational. In his brief stint driving for Mclaren he was as much fired for refusing to put in enough effort to his job and concocting theories the team was deliberately sabotaging him as he was chronically underperforming. (Counting for the races he missed Senna outscored him 6 points to every 1 and over the season total it was 10 to 1 and Andretti crashed out of the first four races in succession.) I'd certainly hope he's grown up a bit since then but he's definitely not well liked by those that still remember that.
1 new franchises / 3 new manufacturer brands in the sport
1. Porsche partners with Williams
2. Honda fully partners with Red Bull, continue the engine collaboration and take over operation of Alpha Tauri as a Honda/Japanese works team
3. Cadillac Andretti
I see Red Bull, the parent Co., striking a deal with HONDA to have them run AlphaTauri with their own engine as they put all focus on RBR & RBPT but keeping the existing branding as is for 2026.
Red Bull get to keep the marketing advantage of 2 teams while closing the loophole in their argument for new team status in 2026 while HONDA bring in their own 2026 engine to a team that already uses and is adapted to their engineering and the Honda personnel currently at RB teams are all shuffled to AlphaTauri.
HONDA will be getting in for a significant discount compared to buying the team wholesale while Red BULL gets paid twice since they can now bring in another automotive brand(FORD) to brand the main Car. WIN WIN situation
@@blauekits7782 Nijigasaki High School Idol Club also already formed their own Works F1 Team since 2020.
I heard that some random dude with a '63 beetle with start number 53 is trying to get in .
That's a good one!! 😂😂😂😂 I am surprised someone hasn't done that yet! What I mean is, have an all white car, numbered 53, powered by a Volkswagen engine, and called "Herbie"!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I personally would love to see Ford and Shelby team up once again to build a full in-house team. The two already have a close working relationship, and would be amazing to see a Ford/Shelby F1 car on the grid. It would be Ford VS Ferrari all over again which makes it all the more exciting to think about
That would be cool
Shelby's history is in touring car and GT racing, they've never had anything to do with F1. As for Ford if they were to get into F1 proper they'd need to spin up their own team and build their own engine from scratch, because the majority of their ventures into F1 were just branding exercises and rebadging engines.
Or a Ford investment into Haas to make Ford vs GM
Modern Shelby has zero motor sports exposure or experience, particularly to facilitate a F1 project.
Shelby American as the organization is today only modifies Ford vehicles... hardly an outfit capable of running an F1 team. Sure, Ford could brand their F1 team Shelby in some way, but they don't even brand NASCAR Mustangs as Shelby's
In wrc its sad because there is only 3 teams. Rally need more teams!
They need better promotion to new fans, rally is super exciting
WRC achilles' heel is their clueless marketing. They have no clue how to get real reach on social media for example. Perkele.
Ford and Porsche coming in as an engine suppliers, and Andretti / Hyundai as full fledged teams would seem like a good injection of new blood in the sport.
I'm not keen on Honda though - way too jittery. Pulling out back in 1992, back in as Mugen, Taking over at BAR, out in 2009, the McLaren calamities. They finally made it with Red Bull and I'm genuinely happy they are finally competitive, but they seem to have more money than sense.
RBR/Ford (or Haas/Ford), Hyundai Works, Andretti Cadillac, Williams Porsche, Honda Works (buys AT), Toyota Works. Gives 12 teams with good racing pedigree, a solid level of competition between engine development, and enough seats to make racing and qualifying more exciting.
We could very easily see two new teams in 2026 but they have to be the right picks, I would go with Andretti-cadillac, GM is the key behind that as they have an extortionate amount of money and actively keep buying brands to add to their collection, plus it would be a proper American team and as we know that market has untapped potential. The second option for me is completely wide open, would love a team with a lot of racing history.
Any expansion at this point must form behind Andretti. To accept another team and reject Andretti would cause many problems with the fan base. They need to be accepted sooner than later. 12 teams is about as many as I could see happening.
In my opinion, the Cadillac/Andretti team would give F1 to biggest bang for buck in growing the sport in the States. I cannot imagine that the existence of that team would not grow the pie for all involve.
Especially with an US driver Colton Herta
fuck it bring back the 90s with pre-qualifying for the laughs
Ford, Porsche, Honda, Hyundai, Mazda, Toyota, Andretti, Lotus, Cadillac, Lamborghini, BMW YOU ALL GET A SLOT
😂😂
Or 40+ grids but that would be absolute chaos.
We need at least 13 Teams!
Toto won't allow it
@@therealquaid1694 Neither would Horner or Ferrari lol. Imagine if i told you there was 3 new employees coming to work tomorrow but you and everyone had to take a a paycut for the next few years for them. Yeah it doesn't sound nice that their gatekeeping new teams, but realistically you can see why. Not to mention a couple years ago when there was an influx of new teams on the grid, look how many folded since.
@@bobbyde_pressed4023 its only because it would harm Totos shares
@@therealquaid1694 lol would harm everyone shares. But I guess your just a dumb shill considering you spamming the same comment everywhere. Guess your living your full potential in life 😉
probably gonna be a long shot, but would love to see BMW back at it again. I think with the new tech and reduced cost I think its really worth their investment. Also would make a good fight between Mercedes and Audi too if BMW is around. (maybe even with Porsche keeping company)
Toto won't allow it
Same, would love to see BMW get into more premier motorsports like F1 and MotoGP.
Toyota and BMW should comeback as full works teams, they have the resources and technical ability, they are very much capable
Love the livery mock-ups you're making 👌
Ford teaming up with Red Bull.
Honda buying Alpha Tauri.
Andretti joining the grid.
Hyundai also entering.
This would be sick!
Most of these "new teams" listed aren't at all interested in putting a new team on the grid. They are all testing the waters to see where they might be able buy in and put a sticker on an existing car or the Red Bull power unit. Honda coming back with a sticker on the RB, or Porsche could sticker the Honda, or Ford could put a sticker on the RB engine cover, Audi looking to repaint the Sauber, Hyundai and others nosing around to see if Alpha Tauri is up for sale. What a lot of fans want is more cars on the grid but I don't think we are going to get that sadly.
I haven't heard anyone talking about yamaha yet. They were behind the Lexus LFA, Toyota 2000GT, and many other legendary supercars, sportscars and performance cars. They already gave F1 a shot but did very badly for several reasons, they should definitely consider becoming an engine supplier.
Yamaha mainly focus on motorcycles and musical instruments instead
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer or applying their motorcycle and music expertise to tune car engine heads and exhausts!
Are they currently in a position to do something as committed and expensive as that though? It was one thing to have a crack at it during the tail end of Japan's economic bubble era, but I don't know what state they're in now or whether it'd be a good idea for them today.
@@KuchingKingVideoGamer Chisato Nishikigi seeking seat for Yamaha Alphatauri team perhaps??
Toto won't allow it
We’re all for more teams on the grid, the only concern I have is some of the tracks are a bit small for the speed F1 cars go, and start lapping other cars by like lap 8.. Which outside max lapping lewis last year, isn’t very entertaining
Can’t believe William Storey isn’t on this list
To be fair, one doesn't simply believe William Storey in general.
Personally I would like to see more manufactures in F1 ie Ford, Honda, Porsche or even Hyundai but suspect most of these will be power unit suppliers rather than full teams. The grid can certainly accommodate 12 teams giving 24 cars on track so think more teams will get on the grid.
I think Hyundai is an interesting and possible option. They are doing well in other series and their marketing definitely aligns with motorsport and technical development.
All I'm hearing here is that none of the car manufacturers (Ford, Porsche or Honda) are that keen on setting up a new works team. Hyundai is an interesting one but it's not likely a 2026 option. I know there's a lot of water to go under the bridge between now and 2026 when we might get a new team but to my eyes, Andretti Cadillac is looking like the best option by far! Especially if we want an 11th team and not one of the existing 10 bought out/renamed/name sponsored
I hope hyundai being interested is not just a rumour. Who knows they may collaborate as a works team with some team (maybe mclaren)
Cadillac also has built up their "racing pedigree" over the last 20 years plus. Why is no one taking the whole Cadillac thing seriously??? Is it mainly because it's actually an American manufacturer, and Andretti?
I would love to see a couple of new teams on the grid. Definitely some compelling options.
If Andretti don't get a spot, no one should. Its bonkers how much resistance there seems to be among the F1 paddock.
One wonders whether its fear that is driving the resistance, they know Andretti are likely to be good from the jump and possibly competing for championships within a few years.
One possible step would be addition by subtraction. Gene Haas has made it clear by his actions that he doesn't have the resources to support a competitive team. Having him sell Haas to a better funded entrant would improve the field. As an American, I'd like him to sell it to an American-owned team (one that would actually hire an American driver or two), but as a long-time F1 fan (since the days of Jim Clark) I just want to see another strong team in the field.
Ford is seriously being considered over Honda for the RBPT rebranding, I smell a bidding war to ensue, and how Porsche is just naming all the other teams that don't have a major partner shows they didn't expect RB to reject them and are scrambling to get something going to just be in F1, imo they should have just committed to a full lmh project instead of the lmdh category, like if VW group just sees motorsports as a marketing tactic, put Audi in F1 and Porsche in WEC so you don't pour double the resources into competing against yourself
Given RB bought the Jaguar team off Ford for a reported $1 way back in the mid-00s, it would be interesting to see them join up once more.
I’d love to see more new teams. Just hope they would be more competitive than those 2010 teams were
Maybe Toto is worried that a new team (Andretti) would come in and win a few races
Or even finish ahead of established teams.
Well 25 teams should be the Goal to head to will make it more interesting.
I agree with many - the more the merrier - having 13 teams would be great
Teams!! Shouldn't that mean more cars not just engine supply? Just my humble opinion but the last team I would let on the grid would be Honda. They would be around for a few years then disappear again. Engine supply yes. Team no. A full works Ford team looks good but again how long would they stick around if things didn't go well. I think any new team wanting a place on the grid should be made to sign an agreement stating that they will stick around for a minimum of say 5 years or so
This is exactly why I wouldn’t want any works team outside Ferrari. It’s as if people forget 2008/2009 and think it can’t happen again. These brands in F1 are great, but I rather have privateer or energy drinks teams buy established car maker engines.
So the list is Andretti, two badge deals, someone who may already owns a team, an unpopular former principle is running a rally team, some guys who are in the inner circle of a mass-murder & are sanctioned by most F1 host countries, a solid global race team that already supplies 2 teams after formally pulling out of F1 and Pantera which has less credibility than any of them. 🤔 My choice would be Andretti because that’s a real bid and the rest of this list is a shambles as far as setting up a new team.
I'd like to see 12 teams on the grid, as long as (like Andretti) they have credible credentials and resources.
Add Mei Yoneme and Shiki Wakana on Panthera Team Asia and Rise Kujikawa and Yu Narukami on Porsche F1 Works Team.
So...not Mazepin? LOL
aside these options, would be interesting to see either Jaguar or Peugeot comeback, Tata & Stellantis might've liked the idea of boosting the reputation of their "racing-ready" brands (Stellantis have Alfa and Lancia though)
The most likely scenario:
Ford buys HAAS
Porsche buys Williams
Lamborghini buys AlphaTauri
Cadillac, Honda, and Toyota/Hyundai/BMW come in as completely new teams filling the 11th, 12th, and 13th spots. There would be 13 teams, and 26 cars. 6 new seats for drivers coming from F2 or other motorsport series.
If I'm honest, I'd like to see 24 cars on the grid, and it'd be great if the chips fell as follows for the 12 potential teams: Andretti Cadillac gets its spot, Williams gets purchased by Porche, Honda partners with Red Bull and buys Alpha Tauri but keeps the sponsorship, Hyundai goes in with Renault as a new team and then looks at an engine later, Ford sponsors Haas, and then McClaren, Alpine, Mercedes, Red Bull, Audi Sauber, Ferrari, and Aston Martin all stay the same.
Ideal 2026 Grid:
- Red Bull + Ford
- Ferrari
- Mercedes
- Alpine
- McLaren
- Audi (Sauber)
- Aston Martin
- Haas
- Porsche (AlphaTauri)
- Williams
- Andretti + Cadillac
- Honda
The Jean Todt photo at 10:23 is a dead ringer for Mel Brooks. Have they ever been seen at the same place & time? 🤣
Imagine if Ford goes in then you can't leave GM (as Cadillac) out.
In a weird way it would recreate the peak of Nascar with Ford and Chevy fighting in out on track with proper non standard prototype cars and not a spec series like Nascar or Indy are today.
Seriously, you're overcomplicating it... "Sunday" -> "Hunday"
F1 needs to move to a model where if a manufacturer backed entry wants in, they let them in. If the amount of teams is now a problem, the half of the acre that are plainly feeder teams for contenders can be shown the door to make room.
I don't understand why they are on the fence about Andretti. That team is no joke. They are pure racers with a history of success. They are a picture perfect applicant.
They are:
-proven to be successful and capable. Great history as well
-substantial financial backing
-from the USA (great for F1)
-extremely eager to join and open to comprises to make a deal.
I'm sure there are plenty more good reasons too
It shouldn't be competition for one slot on the grid. That idea is absolutely ridiculous when there are meant to be 26 cars and we currently only have 20. We used to have pre-qualifying because we had so many teams. Formula 1 can only be considered to be successful when that returns.
Porsche should pay 33% of Audi’s engine development costs to brand it their own for a Williams partnership. Let Andretti/GM in along with a Honda or Hyundai works team. Ford with RB. That’s a 24 car lineup I’d be really excited to see!
An Asian F1 team would be nice.
We need a full Honda works team.
I think they're trying to make F1 safer though so that might be a sticking point for the FIA
@@hueyfreeman7810 that's fair but I would like to see Toyota rejoin.
@@commanderlewisskipperton8721 And this time they better do well
Toyota coming back would be legendary and not really out the picture. Ever since introduction of GR they've been becoming more enthusiast appealing brand so who knows what the future holds.
That Hyundai livery mock up lookin *chefs kiss* perfecto 🔥🔥🔥
So many teams want to join but i only see couple more at max being allowed in so competition will he insane but it could create those 1-2 entries very strong.
What I would love to have happen, is that these “mini” (HAAS, Williams, etc.) teams stop participating in F1, and combine with the “main” (Ferrari, Mercedes, etc.) teams to produce faster cars. That will open up LOTS of spots for new F1 teams
I think it’s great F1 is expanding and the Andretti name should be in F1.
Saying that, F1 really needs to fix the two tier system ASAP. There should not be such a clear line between the top three teams and the rest. This is a really big problem. Alonso winning a race in an Aston Martin shouldn’t be a crazy thought. Or part of a 23 year plan.
Toto won't allow it
the cost cap needs to be more strictly enforced imo, if a team has a better car it should be because they happened to make a better car with their engineers, not because rb merc and ferrari have 5x more money than everyone else
@@houseking9211 Toto wont allow that
@@houseking9211 the cost cap isn’t the issue. To be honest it doesn’t solve anything as they all have loopholes and the bigger teams gonna spend. If they actually want to control costs they would regulate the equipment everyone uses. For example everyone uses the same spec wind tunnel and computer tech. Limit the amount of people that work on the car. For example the teams can’t have more than 200 people working on the car etc. I mean it’s crazy that a team like Haas has 200 people and Mercedes has 900 and they are competing in the same field. It’s like a soccer game where one team has 11 players and the other 60, now let’s guess who wins. Cost caps really only hurt salaries of regular people, and gives artificial hurt when a driver crashes too much.
The 22 car was to fix this hierarchy
It Made it worse
I think Liberty did a great job re-branding, making the sport stable, making the sport appealing for new investment. I do worry, with all these manufacturers, that one of them will be a Caterham or Spyker scenario, or more likely a Toyota.
I think f1 should really just franchise their teams. Grid would get messy and hard to follow. Alpha tauri, scuderia, willaims and Haas should be swapped or partnered with more solid manufacturer options
Can just deflate the balloon of F1 being “a huge commitment” for a car manufacturer. A new model sedan is about the same monetary commitment for Hyundai. The engine hardware is not huge (relative) but the power extraction via the dyno is. Brain power is the commodity needed.
F1 in 2014: Why won't anyone join our sport? :(
F1 in 2021: We've initiated all the measures to make the sport more appealing for new teams!
F1 in 2022: WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP TRYING TO JOIN?!?!?! STAY OUT!!!! 10 TEAMS ONLY!!!!!!
F1 in 2026: So the 4 cars each from ferrari, red bull, and mercedes make up the grid this year, which is just how we like it!
It would be quite ironic if Ford became a works partner of Red Bull considering the teams origin as a works supported Stewart and then Ford owned Jaguar
It's going to be interesting to see in 2026 whether there are any new works teams added, and whether there will be more than 20 cars on the grid. Those are different topics. The first is possible, the second I think is very unlikely due to objections from the current set of big fish (Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull) and the six customer teams they control.
I would be happy to see more teams join and for current teams to have less say in the operation of the sport. Porsche, Andretti, Panthera are my standout names.
Just as long as it isn’t Mazepin. Once your dad owns a team, you’ll never get rid of them until the day NM retires. We’ve got one of those already taking up a seat in the grid at Aston.
Why does everyone immediately thing that Red Bull would partner with anyone but Honda? I could see a McLaren/Ford as a possibility though. Porsche is out, Mazepin is a joke, there’s no need for another billionaire team owner like Lo, and Hyundai would be a permanent backmarker from day one.
I would like to hear some thoughts on a split and another top league. I remember when strife in Indy car and CART created. And I am aware that this league (F1) has logistical differences from Indy car. But they both have drivers that want to drive, owners that want to race and fans the world over.
New leagues are formed in every sport. It just takes one Star to give a new league credibility.
I think ideally we should get 2 more teams. Maybe 3 if they only let 24 of the 26 qualify (don't want to clutter up the circuit) for the race leaving 2 out each grand prix.. which would only be interesting if it's not the same 2 drivers every week.
In my opinion my votes would be 𝗔𝗻𝗱𝗿𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶 (I am bias, but also think they would be a by far better team to represent the US in F1), 𝗛𝗶𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗵 (I think their history with the feeder series would be great to have on the F1 grid) and/or 𝗣𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗮 (would love to have an Asian team on the grid).
Also; just as a preference and to make the grid more diverse - I don't like the thought of a "Red Bull 2" so I hope they sell AlphaTauri to someone like Porsche or Honda in the near future.
Ford - can see them doing a repeat of what they did with Jaguar.
Porsche - genuine potential to be a top running team.
Calvin Lo - at best a caterham/manor type project
Hyundai - genuine potential to be a top running team.
Hitech - dodgy in the extreme - can see not managing to put a car together for the first race
Honda - isn’t going to happen as a full works team.
Panthera Team Asia - likely a caterham/manor type entry.
I’d let Andretti, Porsche and Hyundai run if I had the chance. Andretti are likely to stick around even if GM gets bored and Porsche and Hyundai seem the best manufacturer projects. Get the grid to 26 and get some of those drivers deserving of a chance into F1
Would honestly rather see true works teams enter than more customer teams.
Yep. Like TAG HEUER PORSCHE Works F1 and Audi Sport Works F1 Teams?
Toto won't allow it
13 Hypercars manufacturers are full season wec 2023?
No manufacturer is interested in starting an 11th team from scratch.
And one other item to my prior comment on a new race series, there are 100s of tracks around the world.
Msg have been mentioned before as well, they are in formula E with Maserati, I'd be surprised if Stellantis aren't interested too
I'd be all for Ford/rb, Porsche/Williams partnerships, Honda & andretti/cadillac works team and then a buy out of Haas by one of the groups mentioned above
Stellantis already got Ferrari sort of
Would love to see Ford back in F1. I’d prefer them have a separate new team entry as opposed to teaming up with an existing team. Although if they were to team up they should go with Haas. SHR, Nascar team uses Ford engines and Haas the only current American team would benefit a lot from this. If Andretti does join with Cadillac that would be some big American rivalry.
I would love to see Panthera Team Asia because of the David versus Goliath potential outcome.
Andretti seems to be the most credible entry. Ford and Honda sound like they want to be engine suppliers.
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this give me more excited even more i can't wait many manufacturers and get more competitive
Yep. I belive 60+ could be all that good...
Would love to see the following:
1. Ford to partner with RedBull.
2. Porsche come together with someone else like Hitec/Panthera Asia both of whom seem to have racing experience but no money, maybe using a common VW group engine shared with Audi.
3. Hyundai with a full works team.
A 50/50 partnership with a team who already has their stuff dialed in, and with who you have very little to offer from a technical standpoint that they don’t already posses on their own? Porsche blew their golden opportunity by being too greedy. I would’ve told them to hit the bricks too. Definitely a “what do we need you for again?” situation.
Honestly my ideal grid size has always been 26 - 30 but 22 - 24 would still be a great improvement.
i'd like to see Koeingsegg or Pagani enter.imagine an AMG badged Pagani F1 team or even Lamborghini😅
Never gonna happen as its very expensive
Pagani uses AMGs Engine, Cheers!
Toto won't allow it
Koenigsegg doesn't need F1, they won't sell anymore cars and F1 would just be a huge waste of money
How about a Yugo works team in partnership with Trabant engines? Or the other way around. F1 would likely be OK with this if the only other choice was Andretti GM.
There's enough room on the grid for more than one new full team. Ford, Honda, and Hyundai could come into F1 as engine suppliers. The biggest opposition is convincing the existing teams to allow the new entries. The existing teams do not want to reduce their share of the F1 revenue.
How good was the BTCC when there was multiple constructors.. F1 has the chance to do this on a global scale
Idea: Open up the grid so there's up to 25 teams, reduce cost cap to $100m, each team to have a maximum workforce of 200 people, entire car has to be made by each team and not outsourced (except buying in the engine, tyres, petrol and other fluids), safety car changed to a current spec F1 car. Oh and no cars can be pink - they just look silly. Thoughts...?
50 cars on the grid is too much. Even nascar doesn't have that
With Red Bull x Ford happening I think that Jaguar will either take the naming rights Alpha Tauri or Williams.
Porsche again could buy Alpha Tauri or Williams.
Haas I hope gets bought by Cadillac-Andretti or Penske.
I'm wondering if Darlington Capital might want to partner with Andretti.
I hope that some of the Formula E teams get a chance at F1.
I want a more diverse global F1 and I think having teams in America and Asia would be good growth opportunities.
I hope we get 2 or even 3 more teams. More would probably be to much, but ATM the grid is a bit to empty
24 cars on the grid feels about right to me.
Instead of a team there could be 2 wildcard spots for cars being entered by race to race basis just qualifying within the 107% margin. Like in the old days with pre qualifying.
@@KewaNCow That wouldn’t work in the modern day. The cost for one team is to great just to enter once. And it wouldn’t bring any value to F1
22 is already too much, sponsors dont want be on the back on the grid, so if is too big number we always will have teams struggling for some seasons and then leaving F1
I would prefer substitions or partnerships to not relevant performer teams;
Porsche > Alpha Tauri
Ford + Wiliams
Andretti > Haas
@@KewaNCow nope. We want 60+ cars on track much like IMSA do in 2014.
What!!!?? 😮 No mention of Rich Energy!!! Shocking.
Strike while the iron is hot F1! More popularity than the sport has ever had globally, so why not bring in more teams, drivers, and therefore more publicity. It just makes sense.
My 2 cents... a reform of WEC to something more sprint and a single class could be a good thing to receive investments from people that can't get into F1. A monster ground effect (spec on this part + max lift to drag aero regulation), good looking car could surf in this hype and try to grow into something more popular. Maybe some spec hybrid with 500hp to fit combustion engines around this 500hp as well could keep costs reasonable (BoP and homologations as part of this so people don't need to build new cars every year). Keep as endurance race only Le Mans 24.