19 Kill Team Rules BEGINNERS Get Wrong!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2024
- Kill Team has some hard to find rules at times, but in this video I've compiled the 19 biggest rules mistakes I see beginners playing wrong. Coming soon will be my ADVANCED rules guide, so watch out for that, and then coming SOON will be my full how to play kill team video!
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0:00 Intro
1:47 Rule 1
2:10 Rule 2
2:25 Rule 3
3:07 Rule 4
3:28 Rule 5
3:37 Rule 6
4:00 Rule 7
4:38 Rule 8
4:49 Rule 9
5:27 Rule 10
6:27 Rule 11
6:37 Rule 12
7:17 Rule 13
7:46 Rule 14
8:04 Rule 15
8:42 Rule 16
9:00 Rule 17
9:06 Rule 18
9:44 Rule 19
10:45 Fin.
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20th misconception by beginners: you do not need 12 different Kill Teams built and painted.
Me? Well, since I have 12 Kill Teams laying around in their original boxes, neither built nor painted, I see myself as a KT expert and therefore this is totally fine. Everything is fine.
I would not be able to write that in a script, everyone in fact DOES need a MINIMUM of 12 kill teams to play the game!
Easy, play Daemons and you have an infinity amount of Kill Teams. FML for choosing that rabbit hole of models.
If you don't paint your minis you just have a shopping addiction.
Thanks for doing this. This will make access to the game a lot easier for people. I noticed one small thing though: Rule 12... the player / operative that performs the fight action starts with resolving hits, not the charging player.
Yes, a fair point! That's of course my own poor terminology because as I mention in the next rule, charging doesn't really mean anything when it comes to fighting, they're completely unconnected!
That vantage point vs concealed behind heavy terrain was enlightening
That was the rule that inspired the entire video, actually!
Wow, as two friends trying to learn on our own at home, this was INCREDIBLE.
I have another one which is 6 rules. Plus the line of sight video. 3 strong rules videos I'd say!
@@GlassHalfDead you bet! Your whole channel has been great!
I apparently just autoplayed like 8 hours of your video with my phone on mute while I was asleep. Now I need to go back and actually watch all those videos for real.
I am happy to say that, as a beginner, I've only gotten a couple of these wrong!
Excellent, useful video as always, man!
Very helpful video. I think my friend group messed up about 50% of these when we first started playing. 😁
Didn't know the vantage point one! Thanks for info!
This was helpful, I’d parsed out most of these from bat-reps, but that invuln save one was still unclear, so thank you for that!
Happy to help!
I love the unit cards you’ve made!
I know this is an old video but I dont see anyone pointing out that there is a mistake. Rule 15, Glass says vantage points remove light cover, they dont. As it says in the text shown on that part of the video, vantage points let you treat a concealed operative that is behinde light cover, as if it had an engage order. But it still has cover as if it was already in an engage order. For example, if you use a vantage point to shot at an enemy thats behind light cover in an ENGAGE order, then nothing changes.
Only at the beginning of the video, but where do you get those character's cards?
19 of the most common rules I see beginners playing wrong and I'm here to clear them up! Coming up soon, advanced rules, then a full how to play video!
If you're thirsty, I have a Patreon, it comes with datacards and a podcast: www.patreon.com/GlassHalfDead
Check out my Kill Team Podcast "Vantage Point" on Patreon OR live here: www.twitch.tv/glasshalfdead
If you want more of the Kill Team community, try my Discord: discord.gg/wAPqR8U
And for more of my channel try my FB page: facebook.com/groups/glasshalfdead
I don't care for the rules........I just want that double HELLO .........
I see myself coming back to this one a lot. Great stuff!
These are all relatively self explanatory and easy to remember once you've heard them once, but feel free to have this video run continuously on all devices for my ad revenue!
Fair point, but I haven't had my coffee as of the first watch-through 😆
That was helpful. I played game with a longstanding 40k player against kommandos and i was very unsure that the kommando nob could give himself apl, whereas he was sure from big 40k that he could. It was just very unintuitivly worded for me. Thanks for clarification :D
It can all be very complicated!
Needed this so bad for the new version
You truly never disappoint. Really helpfull Video, thanks.
Glad you enjoy!
Thank for this video!
Thanks for the bananas!
Shared this to my Local Gaming Group. Hopefully it helps out the group as a whole so these rules don't require clarification in the future!
Oh I'm sure we'll find more rules to debate!
Great stuff 👌
Thanks. Getting back into KT after a significant absence soon after release.
Very enligthing, thanks! Also love the data cards, are they available for download somewhere?
The datacards I show on screen are given out to my $10 patrons! OR you can buy altenrative designs from the creator himself, David Cruz on Ko-fi :)
Cool vid.
Just saying, Disgustingly Resilient can block a Mortal Wound.
Valid
Thank you!!
Nice one, cheers!
Thanks for the video glass man, when you're teaching someone totally new to board games what parts of KT would you say are safe to omit or NEED to be included during their first game?
I think he mentioned before about just playing with the basic troop type and no CP’s, tac-ops or ploys. Then add specialists, then add CP’s.
Love the vids as I start !
Quick question Corsair team can all dash as faction ability … if they do that can they dash again later and if they used free charge does that prevent charge ?
Yes. The term "Free Action" is very deceptive. It just means you don't spend the APL to do it, but it is still bound by all the rules for making that action. So if you free dash you can't charge or perform a second dash in that activation.
Hey galss!
Could you do a battle report with the genestealer cults?
I want to get a new team and would like some insight on loadouts and playstyle.
I love those laminated cards in the beginning. Any chance you bought those? If so please let me know where
Would love to know where/how you found these (and the equipment cards :))
nice!
Thanks!
Those Ork dice turned their back on Ken!
You might have commented this in the wrong video (or my TH-cam is messing up) 🤔
@@GlassHalfDead Classic, nah thats just me being a dummy.
Hey guys - I'm painting Void Dancers an need to get my head around fly. As the rule says 'Must finish its move following all rules specified by that move' I assumed you pay the vertical move cost to change elevation?
My working assumption was it had been a direct nerf to how good fly was in KT 1?
Just starting out so this really helped clarifying the rules. Question about Opportunity Fire. Opponent have activated all their models, I still have 3 left. I activate a model. Does my opponent shoot now? Sometime during my action or at the end? I’m concealed and in cover, move out of cover and back in cover and still conceal order. Can I be shot?
Engagement for the algorithm throne!
Comment for the comment throne!
Very usefull we failed at first mistake :D
I haven't looked at anything killteam related in over 8 months.... so I'm guessing a new edition came out while I was under this rock, because I couldn't follow any of this. Do you have a video on how to play the new edition?
Correct! Not yet, this video, the advanced rules video, and my line of sight video will all go together to be my breakdown of all rules.
So a Hive Fleet player can use the Strat Ploy for a Free Move multiple times on the same model before the first turn?
Indirect weapons (like grenades) can hit enemies that are both in cover and concealed, correct? Visibility and obscuring rules still get me.
Is there any weapon attack that does not require model-to-model *actual* line of sight to the target?
Is there heavy terrain that can actually be seen through irl that still has the heavy trait?Every time I've seen heavy terrain, that trait has seemed pointless because it physically blocks line of sight already.
Does REAP Special RUle inflict MW also to target of the attack or only to nearby (of 1 ") enemies?
Reap is only to nearby models. Splash is to nearby models AND the original model
@@GlassHalfDead Thx Good information for me :D (not so good for my friends :D). Have a nice wednesday.
Regarding Ploys: are you certain? I know Strat. Ploys can only be played once at the start of ea. turning point, but I swear the rulebook states that Tactical Ploys can be played at any point during the turning point AND more than once, only to be limited by one's amount of CP.
Please read the text on screen for RULE 5. That contains the answer to your question :)
@@GlassHalfDead Thank you! Missed it.
Something that I have been wondering for a while regarding objective markers.
Does an objective marker have to be visible to the models that are claiming control of it? I do not believe I have seen this anywhere in the rules.
For Example. If I have a unit that is within Circle of the center of the objective marker, but there is a completely solid Heavy wall in the way, Do I control that objective or no? (we have been playing it as you have to see it. so under our current rules, this model would not Control this objective.)
Related question: Does height affect your distance from an objective marker when determining control? (For Example, If a model is 10" directly above an objective marker on the ground underneath it, does it control the objective or no? (we have once again been playing that it would NOT, but I would apricate input)
Any rules pages or FAQ would be apricated in backing up the answer.
No, you do not need visibility to an objective marker to control it :)
Yes, height matters. You are always measuring distances to bases or to points. So far there are no infinitely high cylinders for objective points.
These do not need an FAQ or anything like that, it is clear from the page that has rules for controlling objective markers and how to measure distances (I do not have the book on hand to give numbers, I'm reading the text on waha to make sure I'm right in this answer)
@@GlassHalfDead Awesome, thanks a bunch for this! Keep up the videos!
I can't wait to see what else I'm doing wrong in the next video! LOL
For the 19th , when you remove default cards, do you remove them randomly?
You build your deck so you pick which ones you want to remove
So if something has the Px critical rule, the defender should roll their dice after the attacker has rolled, correct? If a crit is retained, then the defender loses a defense dice?
The defender ALWAYS rolls their attack dice after the attacker when shooting. And yes, AP1 is minus 1 defence dice NOT -1 to what your defence dice need to roll to be a success.
When doing melee, you roll at the same time.
So, I've been feeling like we might be shorting our Icon Bearers.
Are there examples of Icons that aren't self-affecting?
Tsons/Warpcoven's Icon of Flame sure. But are there others? Maybe Novitiate Reliquarius, just because her becoming incapacitated might stop her from using the ability?
But what about Deathguard, or Heretic Astartes? Are those self-affecting?
What determines if it impacts the banner bearer? Is it the use of "this operative" and "that operative" which seems to suggest two different models?
Because if that's the case then no banner would affect itself, because I believe they all have that wording.
Just to clarify, you're asking a question that I directly answered in the video, right? Or is this a secondary question?
If you have the correct keywords for the banner to affect the model holding it, then it affects it. The banner bearer is always visible to and within X of itself. So both HA and DG and daemon banners all affect the bearer, yes.
@@GlassHalfDead Honestly not certain if it's a new question or not. lol
You had mentioned that it was visible and within range of itself and mentioned that the wording differences between different factions banners was intentional and that the wording difference has to do with how the banner affects other models not itself. Which I think I follow. You're not saying they don't affect themselves, you're talking about the targeting differences. Chaos demons only affect their same breed of demon and don't require visibility. Heretic banners boost their marines. Deathguard banners boost their marines. TSons affecting sorcerers only. Sororitas banners don't affect Arcos. Cult banners affect any friendly cult model. So I see some of the differences in targeting.
We hadn't been playing with the banners affecting themselves due to the "this operative/that operative" terminology. We thought that suggested two different models. And I've definitely been thinking we're shorting them. I just wondered if there were any banners that clearly don't affect themselves due to how it's written.
@@villainvoice5143 Right, my bad there. So the speciifc thing I was referring to when I said different wordings is that some banners require distance and visibility for the banner to affect another model, but some banners only require distance.
For example the chaos daemon banners can affect a model within 3". NO VISIBILITY REQUIREMENT. They can take effect through a solid wall. But both the HA and the DG banners require visbility.
I did mention that this was in reference to how they affect other models, not themselves, but I could have been clearer :)
I dig it.
Much obliged. I’m sure my buddies who use icon bearers will appreciate the upgrade. :)
If a model has DF 3 but retains a success from cover would you roll 3 or roll 2?
The reason happens instead of rolling that dice so you would retain one and roll 2
Wait so we can mix and match archetypes? Like have 3 from recon and 3 from seek and destroy? Or 2:2:2 etc
This is incorrectly stated in the video. As per pg. 92 of the rulebook, if a killteam has more than archetype, the player must select ONE of their archetypes to use. Note that it's KILLTEAM, not FIRETEAM, so you can't mix and match.
Does the RAP tactical ploy still count as only once per turning point even if it costs 0 ap?
yes - see his example of the Necrons 0 CP Ploy.
what did you use to make those character cards ?
I cover it in this video: th-cam.com/video/yzNM8YKUDVk/w-d-xo.html&t
Do cover saves stack?
I'm not quite sure how a cover save would stack, but no, they don't. You can only retain 1 dice when you have the benefit of cover. Some ploys allow you to retain two.
Glass, I have a big question for you. If you were to teach some friends killteam with the expectation that you want them to play 40k eventually. Should you not even teach them killteam and just go straight to a 500 point 40k game? Assume that your friend hasn't played any table top games aside from star wars legion and x-wing. Both with weird special dice and a ton of cards and tokens. I'm not sure if I should bother with killteam. I have two boxes of octarious and one box of coranath.
If the ultimate goal is to go to 40k then just play 40k, yeah. Buy a combat patrol and call it a day.
If they end up not liking 40k then they will have the models to take a swing at Kill Team. Or if they like the idea of Kill Team's theme then they should obviously play it. But if they don't really care about the practical benefits of kill team then ignore it.
@@GlassHalfDead thanks
so you spent 550 dollars on stuff you aren't going to use? huh? lol
@@dtps_champion6016 oh. I plan to play it. Just don't know if I want to teach my family killteam or 40k. You would think they would make killteam a easy transition to big 40k. But no. Totally different rules. Not even close.
@@OverboardDM Just play KT 1.0
It's literally just small 40k with alternate activations and a couple different rules.
If you say mortals occur as soon as you retain the dice does that mean that it does the mortal wounds even if they defend it?
Or for another example the Reap rule means they receive the wound even if they parry the attack?
Yes mortal wounds take effect before your opponent has an opportunity to parry or save against them.
Yes. To avoid mortal wounds, you would need to modify "Resolve Successful Hit step" from the enemy operator.
This is mostly done with Tactical Ploys such as:
REVOLTING DURABILITY 1 CP
Use this Tactical Ploy in either the Resolve Successful Hits or Resolve Successful Saves step of a combat or shooting attack made against a friendly BUBONIC ASTARTES operative. You can change one of your opponent’s critical hits into a normal hit.
@@aimaralonsolavega5645 I'm pretty sure this is not correct. MWs happen when the critical hit is "retained". This happens before the resolve successful hits / saves step. You can't use REVOLTING DURABILITY to stop MWs.
Generally (so far always, but it doesn't necessarily have to be this way in the future):
Mortal Wounds happen on Retaining a die in shooting, so passing a save doesn't help, you've already taken that damage.
BUT
Mortal Wounds happen on a successful Strike in melee combat, so if you can parry that die before the enemy strikes with it, or turn it into a parry or sth, you do in fact prevent it.
If I'm not mistaken, that means that Revolting Durability helps against mortal wounds in melee but not in shooting.
@@markzeman4219 I'm afraid not. MWs always "happen" as soon as the successful hits are retained at the end of the roll attack dice step (end thus before the resolve successful hits / saves step). Doesn't matter if it's a shooting or CC attack sequence. Btw.. I can't think of a weapon that makes MW in close combat...
I want them data cards
Good news for you! th-cam.com/video/yzNM8YKUDVk/w-d-xo.html&t
Wait- orders can only be issued by the v.guardsman Sgt, within 🛑 of the Sgt and affects all guardsmen only in that range? That’s how I read that?
Yes. You need a Comms model within that range for the order to effect your entire kill team regardless of range.
Glass!!! How the fuck does stun work? Does it carry over till next turn? I mean in case someone is stunned they always suffer a loss of one action right?
My man, the same logic as losing APL needs to be applied here. Look at the RAW.
If you hit them with a stun in your turn, then they will be -1apl for their next activation.
If they charge you and you hit them with your stun they are -1apl until the end of that activation but then it resets at the end of their activation.
Simple!
Wait... I thought 2 Hits Block a crit only in melee not when shooting
literally the other way around.
Can anyone tell me where I can get those nice data cards in the beginning of the video? I tried to Google it and can't find anything
Alas they are for my top tier patrons!
@@GlassHalfDead well played sir
Music in the background is a bit loud while you are describing some of the rules. Suggest lowering or rebalancing. Also music choice (around minute 3, at least) sounds like straight medical advertisement.
question, when is an odd number wound model considered injured, is the half way point rounded up, down, or considered a .5 decimal number in the middle? additionally, the rule specifies less than half to be injured, taking an 8 wound model as an example, is it injured on 3 or 4? as the half way point on 8 is an imaginary point between 4 and 5,
really wish they'd done a couple examples on this cause it's super debatable with how little the rules express details
@@GeeTee1 that's what I settled on too
There is no debate about this rule, it's very clear due to the wording. I actually do not know how to properly answer you because I'm not sure why there is a question on this.
Half of 8 is 4. So you must be less than 4 to count as injured.
Half of 7 is 3.5. So you are either above that at 4 or below that at 3.
If this doesn't answer your question, please jump in my Discord and ask in the rules questions channel!
@@GlassHalfDead it does and it is the conclusion I have come to on my own, however, multiple people I have spoken to have assumed some element of rounding up or down, or that 4 wounds is less than half of eight (due to the non number mid point) with the former being due to many years of previous rules regarding fractional numbers asking players to round up and down, and the latter being because one can simply argue it
the primary arguments come from overthinking the problem or assuming something is there when it is not, thus arguments ensue, and I simply wanted conformation from someone more knowledgeable on the matter.
@@LinSquiggly I am unsure where 4.5 is coming from for an 8 wound model? unless you're counting it on a scale from 1-8, instead of 0-8 (or am I further complicating your question)
@@sotbs2641 that's what caused debates over the specifics, alongside assumptions of rounding up and down due to past experiences.
in reality, it's simple, but it trips people who think too much about the simple rule, or in one case, forget decimal numbers exist momentarily.
Where do I get cards like that?
#content
#comment
Where are those cards from?
They are specifically for my top tier patrons as a little thank you to them. However you can buy alternative ones too. Search youtube for "Kill Team Datacards" and my tutorial on them should come up!
I'm extremely confused how the necron reanimate works in kill team
What aren't you getting? I'll correct you!
@@GlassHalfDead do I pay 1 cp for them all or each unit. You said in the video I could only do one a turn and that confused me.
Thanks for your videos
@@MrDavidJabba you use and pay for the reanimation protocols ploy when one of your models dies. That is your one use of the ploy for the turn.
Then in the next turn every model that you used RP on can roll to reanimate. That is the effect of the ploy, not you playing it.
@@GlassHalfDeadA double thank you.
I see this question come up all the time in necron groups, and it's always a different answer.
The fact that there is 19 for beginners hahaha
It could have been anything, really. There were more I could have added. I could have made it 2 videos of 10 rules each. I could have put some of these into the advanced video and gone into the explanation more etc.
Can the kommando nob give an apl to himself?
I think that the answer is “yes”.